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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2023, 08:27:46 pm »
How exactly do you define 'quality over quantity'?
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2023, 10:09:36 pm »
The contribution of an artist should be judged by the quality of their best work, rather than by their total output of work. For example:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18841/#msg18841

Chinen only released two albums prior to quitting altogether, compared to Perfume's seven to date (with possibly more to come), but of course I consider the former to have contributed more to music than the latter.
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2023, 07:42:00 am »
How does that apply to calligraphy and everything else?
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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2023, 03:14:17 pm »
The same way. If one calligrapher produced one excellent work while another produced many mediocre works, the former would be considered to have made a greater contribution to calligraphy. And so on.
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2023, 03:49:31 pm »
To tell you something, there are some artists I like that release more albums, but there are artists I like that release very few and stopped making music, whether they simply resign or die. For example, there was Pop Smoke who changed the game for hip hop. I remember the late 2010s when I was hearing the same kind of music but then came 'Welcome to the Party'. The instrumental had a sort of dark and clubby mood, like a nightclub. I was reminded of an Electro House song that gave me a similar dark and clubby mood.

Yes, Pop Smoke obviously stopped making music because he couldn't, but 808Melo also stopped and he's still alive, probably due to his strong alliance with Pop Smoke.

In terms of other things, for example TV shows, I did watch anime that were 1 season. I don't like watching TV shows or films because they're not as short as a song or picture for example, which now I'm understanding what it meant in Aryanism's Economics page, where if something is easy to understand by a non-expert, then it's easy to understand. Similarly if a show or film is enjoyable to someone who doesn't like shows or films, then it's enjoyable. I think I'll start exploring other fields that I'm not used to. Thank you ^^

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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2023, 11:19:21 am »
There's something in most songs I hear that I really like in music and it's called the Circle of Fifths. It may be heard in a lot of Western classical music but the interval comes from the ancient philosopher, Pythagoras, inspired by Mesopotamian philosophy:

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Some sources imply that the circle of fifths was known in antiquity, by Pythagoras.[11][12][13] This is a misunderstanding and an anachronism.[14] Tuning by fifths (so-called Pythagorean tuning) dates to Ancient Mesopotamia;[15] see Music of Mesopotamia § Music theory, though they did not extend this to a twelve note scale, stopping at seven. The Pythagorean comma was calculated by Euclid and by Chinese mathematicians (in the Huainanzi); see Pythagorean comma § History. Thus, it was known in antiquity that a cycle of twelve fifths was almost exactly seven octaves (more practically, alternating ascending fifths and descending fourths was almost exactly an octave). However, this was theoretical knowledge, and was not used to construct a repeating twelve-tone scale, nor to modulate. This was done later in meantone temperament and twelve-tone equal temperament, which allowed modulation while still being in tune, but did not develop in Europe until about 1500.

so in a way, those in pre-colonial cultures (including Pythagoras) were the true musicians. Not all those post-Renaissance musicians who learned it from elite music schools.
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2023, 07:38:49 pm »
In response to:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg20491/#msg20491

this is how superior pre-colonial Mexican palace architecture was:









As usual, note the abundance of unfilled space.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/indian-attitudes/msg18328/#msg18328
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2024, 02:55:02 am »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg26162/

I remember as a child, Western adults used to explain to me that we should be grateful to Western scientists because plastic vessels unlike ceramic vessels would not shatter if dropped on the floor etc.. Of course this is deceptive, as it operates on a false implicit assumption that ancient non-Western vessels were all made of ceramics. Actually, non-Western shatterproof vessels had existed for millennia:

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Lacquer is a type of hard and usually shiny coating or finish applied to materials such as wood or metal. It is most often made from resin extracted from trees and waxes and has been in use since antiquity.[1]

Asian lacquerware, which may be called "true lacquer", are objects coated with the treated, dyed and dried sap of Toxicodendron vernicifluum or related trees, applied in several coats to a base that is usually wood. This dries to a very hard and smooth surface layer which is durable, waterproof, and attractive in feel and look.

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East Asian countries have long traditions of lacquer work, going back several thousand years in the cases of China, Japan and Korea. The best known lacquer, an urushiol-based lacquer common in East Asia, is obtained from the dried sap of Toxicodendron vernicifluum. Other types of lacquers are processed from a variety of plants and insects. The traditions of lacquer work in Southeast Asia, South Asia and the Americas are also ancient and originated independently.









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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2025, 09:53:51 pm »
An old American brick pattern is based on corn:


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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2025, 10:47:01 pm »
Contrast with Western inferiority:

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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2025, 04:28:49 am »


The tech-free China that wows ....
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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2025, 08:12:44 pm »


Ancient village in Guizhou canyon, self-sufficient in food supply and peacefully serene.
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