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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2022, 08:28:52 pm »
Touché.
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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2022, 06:23:17 pm »
What do we tell the Zionists/Westerners when they spew bullshít about Islam being homo-/transphobic? I keep seeing hadith where Muslim clergymen condemn homosexuality.
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« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2022, 07:36:26 pm »
Ask them to show you were Mohammad explicitly said anything about homosexuals, and then ask them if they really want to be a Muslim, or would they prefer to be a Jew?

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah are straight out of the Hebrew Bible after-all! Just one of many possible answers to your question....

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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2022, 08:03:04 pm »
"bullshít about Islam being homo-/transphobic?"

It is the fault of Western colonialism:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/msg7373/#msg7373

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam#Modern_era

   
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authors Lapidus and Salaymeh write that before the 19th century Ottoman society had been open and welcoming to homosexuals and that by the 1850s via European influence they began censoring homosexuality in their society.[20]
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    Klauda states that "Countless writers and artists such as André Gide, Oscar Wilde, Edward M. Forster, and Jean Genet made pilgrimages in the 19th and 20th centuries from homophobic Europe to Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, and various other Arab countries, where homosexual sex was not only met without any discrimination or subcultural ghettoization whatsoever, but rather, additionally as a result of rigid segregation of the sexes, seemed to be available on every corner."[120]
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    Tilo Beckers writes that "Besides the endogenous changes in the interpretation of scriptures having a deliberalizing influence that came from within Islamic cultures, the rejection of homosexuality in Islam gained momentum through the exogenous effects of European colonialism, that is, the import of Western cultural understandings of homosexuality as a perversion."[17]
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    the current prejudice against it among Muslim publics stems from an amalgamation of traditional Islamic legal theory with popular notions that were imported from Europe during the colonial era, when Western military and economic superiority made Western notions of sexuality particularly influential in the Muslim world."[122]

    In some Muslim-majority countries, current anti-LGBT laws were enacted by United Kingdom or Soviet organs and retained following independence.[18][19]
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    The Ottoman Sultanic law (qanun) tended to equalize the treatment of hetero- and homosexuals. Dream interpretation literature accepted homosexuality as natural, and karagoz, the principal character of popular puppet theater, engaged in both active and passive gay sex. However, in the 19th century, Ottoman society started to be influenced by European ideas about sexuality as well as the criticism leveled at the Ottoman society by European authors for its sexual and gender norms, including homosexuality. This criticism associated the weakness of the Ottoman state and corruption of the Ottoman government with Ottoman sexual corruption. By the 1850s, these ideas were prompting embarrassment and self-censorship among the Ottoman public regarding traditional attitudes toward sex in general and homosexuality in particular. Dream interpretation literature declined, the puppet theater was purged of its coarser elements, and homoeroticism began to be regarded as abnormal and shameful.

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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2022, 06:18:02 pm »
We sorted this out years ago:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/nopegida/comment-page-1/#comment-97323

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Mohammed, being honourable, viewed Aisha as an individual. You, being honourless, view Aisha as “a 9-year-old”. That alone shows who gets it and who doesn’t.
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Whoever is so intimidated by Islamophobes that they feel a need to debate Aisha’s age have already lost the argument, since it implies that Mohammed’s ethicality is contingent on Aisha’s age. We must represent the position that Mohammed was ethical irrespective of Aisha’s age, and that what is unethical is one age group telling another that their own wishes somehow don’t count.
That's a non-answer. You didn't conclusively confirm or deny that Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was a child. I personally don't think he did, but I think you should make a definitive statement to avoid enemies of the movement gaining any advantages.
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2022, 06:28:17 pm »
You should also know that during WWII Britain and Russia invaded and occupied Iran, which probably explains why homosexuality is a capital offense there.
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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2022, 08:30:50 pm »
"You didn't conclusively confirm or deny that Muhammad had sex with Aisha when she was a child."

Why would I need to?

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We must represent the position that Mohammed was ethical irrespective of Aisha’s age, and that what is unethical is one age group telling another that their own wishes somehow don’t count.

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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2022, 11:24:07 am »
OK, I see where you're coming from, but non-Aryanists are cunning and manipulative. The American Miranda Rights, for example, explicitly state 'anything you say can and will be against you in a court of law', and I'm sure otger countries have something similar. 'Raceless' individuals aren't attuned to the vestiges of Aryan blood they possess (if any), so they will not consider this question the same way you do. I would communicate your assertions about Muhammad's relationship with Aisha clearly and concisely.
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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2022, 01:04:24 pm »
Reminder: Our enemies have already moved beyond debate a long time ago.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/red-coup/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/rightist-mass-shootings/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/military-subverters/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/state-subverters/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/police-rightist-bias/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/voter-suppression/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/re-duginism-1134/

PARIS - Why Reconcile (Official Audio)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ZANhU3RgQ

Paris - Pistol Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ipY4QirDL0

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/firearms/

The point is not to change our enemies minds, which is impossible to do at this point, because if it was Trumpism would not still be on the rise in the U.S. as an example, would it? The point is to change False-Leftist minds. Most False-Leftists do not view Mohammed negatively. Religious tolerance is a False-Leftist trope after-all. Which ultimately means, even if it could be proven that Mohammed was a child-rapist false-leftists would not have anything negative to say about it. This is also why False-Leftists do not judge Judaism as harshly as it deserves either, correct?


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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2022, 01:31:54 am »
The most common False Left approach I have seen to defend Mohammed is to patronizingly say that he was a person of his time and therefore cannot be faulted for behaviour that modern people behaving the same way can be faulted for. This is a progressive attitude, implying that ancient people in general were morally inferior to modern people in general, and that it is not their fault for being born in that earlier and hence less developed era. In short, False Leftists consider Mohammed as an individual to be superior to most ancient people, but inferior to even the average modern person. This is how strongly they believe in progressivism.

True Leftists, in contrast, consider people in ancient times on average superior to people today, and Mohammed as an individual to be far superior to almost everyone alive today:



This single action by Mohammed is more valuable than the sum of everything produced in the so-called "Enlightenment" that the False Left is so proud of (which was in fact so inferior that it never even questioned anthropocentrism, but if anything further reinforced it!).

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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2022, 11:58:13 am »
Blair Imani Speaking on LGBTIism in Islam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IhaGUlmO_k
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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2022, 11:16:22 am »
Is Islam compatible with antinatalism? I've seen many sources which state Muslims are regularly encouraged to reproduce.
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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2022, 08:23:50 pm »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgement_Day_in_Islam

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To save believers from these horrors, the Mahdi will appear and Isa bin Maryam (Jesus) will descend from heaven to assist him. The sun will rise from the west.[Note 4][37] A breeze will blow causing all believers to inhale it and die peacefully.[Note 5][38]

Destruction and resurrection
Following these portents, the Earth will be destroyed. (In Surah Al Haqqah)

When the trumpet is blown with a single blast
and the earth and the mountains are lifted up and crushed with a single blow,
then, on that day, the terror shall come to pass,
and heaven shall be split, for upon that day it shall be very frail. ... "

(Q.69:13–16)[Note 6][9]

Verses from another Surah (At-Takwir) describes

When the sun shall be darkened
When the stars shall be thrown down
When the seas shall be set boiling
When the souls shall be coupled, ...
When the scrolls shall be unrolled
When heavens shall be stripped off,
When Hell shall be set blazing,
When Paradise shall be brought nigh
Then shall a soul know what it has produced.

(Q.81:1,2,6,7,10-14)[Note 7][9]

A second trumpet blast will signal a "final cataclysm" (fanāʼ), the extinction of all living creatures

Antinatalism is the part in bold.

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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2022, 08:40:48 pm »
The believers know there will be a deadly breeze, yet they still reproduce? Perhaps they misinterpet the ayah which states this. I've seen several ayat in the second and third surahs which condemn existence in the material universe and praise life in the Hereafter, but haven't seen any explicit rejection of natalism. Why is this?
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Re: Inspired by Muhammad
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2022, 08:58:45 pm »
No, the ideology of antinatalism is the breeze.