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Jesus said 'Allah', not 'Deus.'
« on: March 03, 2021, 09:35:48 pm »
Jesus said 'Allah', not 'Deus.'


We can also be certain Jesus never called God "Yahweh" either....

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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2021, 10:42:16 pm »
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Ibn al-Qayyim was an important medieval Islamic jurisconsult, theologian, and spiritual writer. Belonging to the Hanbali school of orthodox Sunni jurisprudence, of which he is regarded as "one of the most important thinkers," Ibn al-Qayyim is today best remembered as the foremost disciple and student of the fourteenth-century Sunni theologian Shaykh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, with whom he was imprisoned in 1326 for dissenting against established tradition during Ibn Taymiyyah's famous incarceration in the Citadel of Damascus.


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It is amazing how one Paul deceived a whole nations and drove them away from the path of truth and another Paul is driving them back to the path of truth by sharing knowledge in a very loving respectful way, 🙏🤲 may allah help you at what you're doing Sir

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2021, 10:44:01 pm »
The day Jesus denied he was God - and the later cover-up!

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Re: Jesus said 'Allah', not 'Deus.'
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2022, 07:27:02 pm »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/red-coup/msg16215/#msg16215

specifically:

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In earlier years, DePape also posted long screeds about religion, including claims that "Jesus is the anti christ."

this is actually not too different an idea than:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Jewish

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Judaic criticism of Jesus is long-standing, and includes a range of stories in the Talmud, written and compiled from the 3rd to the 5th century AD.[489] In one such story, Yeshu HaNozri ("Jesus the Nazarene"), a lewd apostate, is executed by the Jewish high court for spreading idolatry and practicing magic.[490] According to some, the form Yeshu is an acronym which in Hebrew reads: "may his name and memory be blotted out."[491] The majority of contemporary scholars consider that this material provides no information on the historical Jesus.[492] The Mishneh Torah, a late 12th-century work of Jewish law written by Moses Maimonides, states that Jesus is a "stumbling block" who makes "the majority of the world to err and serve a god other than the Lord".[493]

Medieval Hebrew literature contains the anecdotal "Episode of Jesus" (known also as Toledot Yeshu), in which Jesus is described as being the son of Joseph, the son of Pandera (see: Episode of Jesus). The account portrays Jesus as an impostor.[494]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud

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The master said: Jesus the Nazarene practiced magic and deceived and led Israel astray.[69][5][70][71]
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Sanhedrin 43a[79] relates the trial and execution of a sorcerer named Jesus (Yeshu in Hebrew) and his five disciples. The sorcerer is stoned and hanged on the Eve of Passover.[80]

Sanhedrin 107[81] tells of a Jesus ("Yeshu") who "offended his teacher by paying too much attention to the inn-keeper's wife. Jesus wished to be forgiven, but [his rabbi] was too slow to forgive him, and Jesus in despair went away and put up a brick [idol] and worshipped it."[82]

In Gittin 56b and 57a,[83] a story is told in which Onkelos summons up the spirit of a Yeshu who sought to harm Israel. He describes his punishment in the afterlife as boiling in excrement.[84][85]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledot_Yeshu

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Sefer Toledot Yeshu (ספר תולדות ישו, The Book of the Generations/History/Life of Jesus), often abbreviated as Toledot Yeshu, is an early Jewish text taken to be an alternative biography of Jesus of Nazareth.
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The Toledot portrays Jesus (known as Yeshu by the author) as an illegitimate child who practiced sorcery, taught a heretical Judaism, seduced women, and died a shameful death.[4]
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A great misfortune struck Israel in the year 3651 (c. 90 BC). A man of the tribe of Judah, Joseph Pandera, lived near a widow who had a daughter called Miriam. This virgin was betrothed to Yohanan, a Torah-learned and God-fearing man of the house of David. Before the end of a certain Sabbath, Joseph looked lustfully at Miriam, knocked on her door and pretended to be her husband, but she only submitted against her will. When Yohanan came later to see her, she was surprised how strange his behavior was. Thus they both knew of Pandera's crime and Miriam's fault. Without witnesses to punish Pandera, Yohanan left for Babylonia.

Miriam gave birth to Yeshua, whose name later depreciated to Yeshu. When he was old enough, she took him to study the Jewish tradition. One day he walked with his head uncovered, showing disrespect, in front of the sages. This betrayed his illegitimacy and Miriam admitted him as Pandera's son. Scandalised, he fled to Upper Galilee.

Yeshu later went to the Jerusalem Temple and learned the letters of God's ineffable name (one could do anything desired by them). He gathered 310 young men and proclaimed himself the Messiah, claiming Isaiah's "a virgin shall conceive and bear a son" and other prophets prophesied about him. Using God's name he healed a lame man, they worshipped him as the Messiah. The Sanhedrin decided to arrest him, and sent messengers to invite him to Jerusalem. They pretended to be his disciples to trick him.

When he was brought, bound, before Queen Helen, the sages accused him of sorcery. When he brought a corpse to life, she released him.

Accused again, the queen sent for his arrest. He asked his disciples not to resist. Using God's name he made birds of clay and caused them to fly. The sages then got Judah Iskarioto to learn the name. At a contest of miracles between the two, they both lost knowledge of the name.

Yeshu was arrested and beaten with pomegranate staves. He was taken to Tiberias and bound to a synagogue pillar. Vinegar was given to him to drink and a crown of thorns was put on his head. An argument broke out between the elders and Yeshu followers resulting in their escape to Antioch (or Egypt). On the day before the Passover, Yeshu decided to go to the Temple and recover the secret name. He entered Jerusalem riding on an ass, but one of his followers, Judah Iskarioto, told the sages he was in the Temple. On a day before the Passover, they tried to hang him on a tree; using the name, he caused it (and any tree they should use) to break. A cabbage stalk, not being a tree, was used successfully to hang him on, and he was buried.

His followers on Sunday told the queen that he was not in his grave, that he ascended to heaven as he had prophesied. As a gardener took him from the grave, they searched it and could not find him. But the gardener confessed he had taken it to prevent his followers from stealing his body and claiming his ascension to heaven. Recovering the body, the sages tied it to a horse's tail and took it to the queen. Convinced he was a false prophet, she ridiculed his followers and commended the sages.[44]

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2023, 02:14:18 pm »
The Dishonest Apostle | Was Paul Caught in a Lie?
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According to his letters, Paul felt the need to defend himself against accusations of financial deception. If we look through his own words, will we find the deceit for ourselves?


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Paul was constantly having to defend himself against other followers of Jesus...