Author Topic: The 10 Commandments: How to Read Them From a Tribalist Perspective  (Read 489 times)

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(This is how the 10 Commandments read from a tribalist perspective:)

If we apply the logic of the Book of Deuteronomy:
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"To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess." — Deuteronomy 23:20
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Judaism condemns usury towards Jews, but allows it towards non-Jews. See: Deut 23:19–20. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury
(Never forget it was Jews who created the "non-Jew" distinction in the first place!)

to the commandments they would read like this:

Thou shalt not kill your brother a Jew, but a foreigner (non-Jew\Gentile) you may kill.
Thou shalt not steal from your brother a Jew, but from a foreigner (non-Jew\Gentile) you may steal.
Thou shalt not covet your neighbors possessions, a fellow Jew, but you may covet a foreigners (non-Jews) possessions.

etc....

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What about the laws in the Torah concerning foreigners? There are some laws that give amnesty and protection to foreigners.
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What about the laws in the Torah concerning foreigners? There are some laws that give amnesty and protection to foreigners.

Why is Israel barring Ethiopian Jews from immigrating?
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Thousands of Beta Israel Jews in the Ethiopian city of Gondar are living in limbo while waiting to emigrate to Israel. Their chances of leaving Ethiopia and joining relatives who have already made the move to Israel are being complicated by religious factors: Israel doesn't recognize them as true Jews and won't let them immigrate into the country.






Activist, Rachel Corrie, killed by bulldozer in Israel
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The family of an American activist killed by an Israeli bulldozer in 2003 is suing Israel for her death.


Just a few examples of how "foreigners" are treated in the Jewish State of Israel in Occupied Palestine.....

"What about the laws in the Torah concerning foreigners? There are some laws that give amnesty and protection to foreigners."

I don't know, what about them? You tell me? Perhaps you should list them one by one and we can see how those Jewish laws apply to the above examples?



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Leviticus 25:35.
Leviticus 25:39-41.
Numbers 15:13-16.
Deuteronomy 23:7.
Deuteronomy 26:12.
National Socialism ≠ Nazism

Aryan ≠ 'White'.

Race = Quality && Race ≠ Ethnicity.

History is written by the victors.

The truth fears no investigation.

(He) who controls the past controls the future; (he) who controls the present controls the past.

UNITY THROUGH NOBILITY.

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An oxymoron is a figure of speech in which two apparently contradictory terms appear together. Examples include a deafening silence, harmonious discord, an open secret, and the living dead.

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Antithesis (Greek for "setting opposite", from ἀντί "against" and θέσις "placing") is used in writing or speech either as a proposition that contrasts with or reverses some previously mentioned proposition, or when two opposites are introduced together for contrasting effect.

I wouldn't argue that The Book of Deuteronomy is an antithesis to The Book of Leviticus and The book of Numbers....

For myself it is not too difficult to understand how Judaism can make people schizophrenic.

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Care to explain?
National Socialism ≠ Nazism

Aryan ≠ 'White'.

Race = Quality && Race ≠ Ethnicity.

History is written by the victors.

The truth fears no investigation.

(He) who controls the past controls the future; (he) who controls the present controls the past.

UNITY THROUGH NOBILITY.

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Care to explain?

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"To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess." — Deuteronomy 23:20

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"The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the Lord: 16 The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the foreigner residing among you.’" — Numbers 15:13-16

You do not see the contradiction between these two ideas? Are these ideas not in opposition to each other?

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Ah, say no more. I ask because Jews, when accused of racism, will be very quick to point out about the passages I just listed in the Bible to make themselves look righteous even though they willfully ignore those same passages.
National Socialism ≠ Nazism

Aryan ≠ 'White'.

Race = Quality && Race ≠ Ethnicity.

History is written by the victors.

The truth fears no investigation.

(He) who controls the past controls the future; (he) who controls the present controls the past.

UNITY THROUGH NOBILITY.

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Ah, say no more. I ask because Jews, when accused of racism, will be very quick to point out about the passages I just listed in the Bible to make themselves look righteous even though they willfully ignore those same passages.

I would argue that the Old Testament is one giant oxymoron at best. At worst it's a racial doctrine masquerading as a religious doctrine that creates a tribe in which it's own survival is most important above all else, including being good. Tribalists rarely care if they are good or evil, all they really care about is the survival of the tribe. Deuteronomy 23:20 ensures the survival of the tribe, whilst Numbers 15:13 does not. Which teaching does the Jewish tribe follow more closely, Deuteronomy 23:20 or Numbers 15:13? Judging from the few images and video I posted above, Jews act on the law given them by Deuteronomy 23:20 above all else. Numbers 15:13 just becomes a convenient smoke-screen for this fact and helps Jews confuse non-Jews even further.

I would argue that Deuteronomy 23:20 is the primary law of the Jewish State of Israel in Occupied Palestine, how could it not be?

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I figured it would be 'be fruitful and multiply', but I digress. In your opinion, what is the most accurate English translation of the Bible?
National Socialism ≠ Nazism

Aryan ≠ 'White'.

Race = Quality && Race ≠ Ethnicity.

History is written by the victors.

The truth fears no investigation.

(He) who controls the past controls the future; (he) who controls the present controls the past.

UNITY THROUGH NOBILITY.

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What Archaeology Tells Us About the Ancient History of Eating Kosher
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A new study of fish remains deepens scholars’ understanding of how the dietary laws came to be.
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[...]Adler, who works at Israel’s Ariel University, was instantly intrigued. According to the Jewish laws of kashrut—the set of rules written in the Torah, the Hebrew Bible, that outline foods suitable for human consumption—these species are deemed non-kosher, and therefore unfit to eat. So why were the ancient Judeans eating them? Did they not yet know these rules? To Adler’s knowledge, no one in archaeology had tried to analyze why remains of the non-kosher fish existed at the ancient Judean settlements. So when Lernau finished his speech, Adler approached Lernau and expressed his interest in the tantalizing relics. The pair agreed to take a deeper dive into where and when the non-kosher fish were being eaten. “I knew it was going to be an interesting subject,” Lernau says.

Now, in a study published today in the journal Tel Aviv, the pair reveals that ancient Judeans, in a period that spans throughout much of the first millennium B.C., enjoyed a diet that didn’t fully adhere to Jewish kosher laws. According to the study, archaeologists have found the remains of three non-kosher species in the two ancients Judean settlements—the Kingdom of Israel in the region’s north and the Kingdom of Judah in the south. Judah residents in particular ate a lot of catfish. These findings help scientists and historians build a more complete picture of how the ancient Judean cultures developed and adopted these rules...
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[...]When both kingdoms rose to prominence, an average Judean denizen lived under the rule of a king, and was a farmer who plowed fields and harvested crops. With the exception of the societal elite, most individuals were illiterate. So while the educated intellectuals of the time had penned down laws, scribbling them on animal skins or papyrus, the vast majority of Judeans didn't necessarily know about them and couldn’t read them either. Even if the societal intellectuals may have started adopting kashrut, the masses likely hadn’t yet gotten the memo...

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[...]The two collaborators found that during the Persian Period, which lasted from 539 to 332 B.C., centuries after it is believed Moses received his commandments, ancient Judeans ate a lot of catfish as well as skate and shark, two other non-kosher species. (The reasons for their taboo nature are incredibly complex but have to do with their lack of the proper type of scales.) Fast-forward to the Roman times that span from 63 B.C. to 324 A.D., and the scaleless fish remains nearly disappear from the ancient trash. Unfortunately, very little fish data falls in between the two timeframes examined, in the Hellenistic Period. That doesn’t necessarily mean individuals weren’t eating fish; it may just mean that archaeologists haven’t unearthed enough fish bones from the Hellenistic household rubbish. Typically small, the fish scraps are harder to find in dusty digs, so archaeologists must sift through the dirt to spot them. That’s a laborious and time-consuming process, so scientists will only do that if they expect to find something of value—and fish fragments aren’t a prized item for many researchers.

Lidar Sapir-Hen, archaeozoologist at Tel Aviv University, who also studied the history of Judeans’ dietary restrictions but was not involved in this study, found similar evidence that Judeans weren’t following the laws of kashrut around similar dates that Adler examined. She had examined pig bones found in ancient Judean settlements. Pork is another type of non-kosher food and yet some digs yielded a number of pig remains. The ancient Kingdom of Judah, located in the region’s south part had very few pig bones, but the Kingdom of Israel up north had quite a few...

I'm reminded of this meme when reading the above paragraph and the one that comes after:  ;D



Continuing with the article:

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“It looks like in the Kingdom of Israel, a lot of people ate pork during the 8th century B.C.,” Sapir-Hen says. “So we think that these dietary prohibitions happened later.” Thus, the new study adds to the already mounting evidence that ancient Judeans weren’t strictly kosher. “I was happy to see that Yonatan and Omri came to a very similar conclusion as we did,” Sapir-Hen says.
Entire article: https://getpocket.com/explore/item/what-archaeology-tells-us-about-the-ancient-history-of-eating-kosher?utm_source=pocket-newtab