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« on: June 03, 2021, 11:15:46 pm »
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/31/argentina-white-european-racism-history

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“Mexicans descend from the Aztecs, Peruvians from the Incas – but Argentinians descend from the ships,” goes an old saying that encapsulates Argentina’s perception of itself as a nation of transplanted white Europeans.

But that Eurocentric view is being vehemently disputed as not only outdated but also factually untrue by a generation of young Afro-descendant researchers and activists who wish to rewrite the accepted version of Argentinian history.

“Argentina needs to understand that it is both very racist and very Afro,” said black activist and researcher Alí Delgado.

University lecturer Patricia Gomes is another Afro-descendant researcher intent on demolishing Argentina’s mythical self-image as a white nation. “In Argentina it used to be said that here there were no blacks, therefore there was no one to be racist with – and hence there was no racism,” she said.

Delgado and Gomes point to recent studies of population surveys and genetics that paint a far different picture from Argentina’s accepted history: one recent study concluded that up to 9% of today’s Argentinians may have ancestry from Africa.

The reason is simple: between the 16th and 19th centuries – long before the wave of European migration – more than 200,000 enslaved Africans arrived at the twin ports of the River Plate, Buenos Aires and Montevideo, capital cities of what are now Argentina and Uruguay.

“The number of slaves who arrived to the region of the River Plate is almost half of those who arrived in the US, which gives an idea of the magnitude of slave traffic in the River Plate region,”
according to Alex Borucki, a Uruguayan academic at the University of California Irvine, who co-manages the SlaveVoyages website that traces every ship carrying enslaved people that reached the Americas.

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In 1778, Africans and Afro-descendants made up 37% of the population of what is now Argentina, according to a census by its Spanish colonialist rulers. In some major provinces the proportion was more than 50%.

That number did not drop significantly after independence from Spain in 1816: Afro-descendants accounted for 30% of the population of Buenos Aires for decades after independence. But after that, the number is unknown, because Argentina’s census bureau stopped collecting racial information.

“Census data was manipulated to erase us first from the statistics – and then from the history books,” says Gomes. “From the end of the 19th century the state meticulously began to make us invisible to present Argentina as homogeneous and of European descent.”

Argentina’s “whitening process” has been studied in depth by US academic Erika Edwards in her book Hiding in Plain Sight, published last year by University of Alabama Press.

“The whitening project was a successful endeavor in terms of the erasure of blackness,” said Edwards. “The idea that somebody could be the descendant of a slave is just not there.”

That belief in a strictly European Argentina continues to percolate. “We are all descendants from Europe,” said President Mauricio Macri at the 2018 World Economic Forum in Davos.

It wasn’t until the 2010 census that an option was included for Argentinians wishing to self-identify as Afro-descendants. “That inclusion was very important but unfortunately it was restricted to only a small segment of the population, with the resulting projection suggesting that only half a percent of the population self-identify that way,” said Gomes.

Delgado and Gomes prefer data from a 2005 study conducted by Afro-descendant researchers that projects 5% of the population as having at least one African forebear.

A genetic study conducted by the University of Brasília in 2008 reached a different conclusion, finding that 9% of current-day Argentinians are of African ancestry.

Argentina’s pro-European immigration policy was initiated under its 1853 constitution at a time when the country’s post-independence thinkers and politicians were obsessed with the dichotomy of Civilization and Barbarism – the title of a 1845 book by Domingo Sarmiento, the country’s seventh president. In this Manichean view, Afro-descendants were placed squarely on the barbarism end of the scale.

That would make it an anti-Manichaean view. Actual Manichaeans believe materialism is evil. Even those who dislike "blacks" do not accuse them of affinity for material success.

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“If it was not possible to physically eliminate Argentina’s Afro-descendants, the decision was to at least eliminate them symbolically, to create a discourse that there are no blacks in Argentina, that Brazil has that problem,” says Edwards.

The entrenched poverty of many Afro-descendants goes hand in hand with Argentina’s structural racism, says Delgado.

“There are no black journalists or politicians, but Argentina’s poor barrios are full of Afro-descendants. So are our prisons, just like in the United States.”

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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2022, 09:53:35 am »
Argentine were victim of gentrification and economic liberalism through Spanish and British colonialism. See the written documenter's content below :

If you not have many time, read only the written sentences which given bold

Source : Why Argentina is not rich - CaspianReport (11th October 2022)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu22RNjjrG0

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(Minute 03 : 27 until 04 : 33)

When measuring a state's living standards there are lies, damned lies, and GDP per capita statistics. Productivity measures can be useful but alone they reveal nothing of a society's actual conditions. Argentina is a case in point, though by 1900 it ranked highly on standard metrics, land policy remain rooted in the 16th century. And though land is the source of all wealth in Argentina, land distribution led to development mediocracy. Like all settler societies, Argentina's land policy was determined by colonization patterns. Violence and the prerogative of force guided land transfers from the indigenous peoples to the conquerors ... Soldiers and the politically well-connected carved out vast estates called estancias. And this top heavy system of proprietorship ensured wealth, status, and political power.

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(Minute 05 : 01 until 06 : 50)

...new lands were granted to settlers but the lion's share went to the already wealthy. Advances in refrigeration technology and the absence of a domestic market monthly estanciearos relied on exports to realize profits. Most were destined for the industrial hub of Britain, as such British investments began to seep into Argentina, monopolizing the country's railways to ensure export stability. Britain thereby stepped into the imperial role that Spain once occupied here the Estancia Rose's self interest clashed with development priorities. Having acquired their land by less sophisticated means, their wealth and influence dependent on Argentina remaining a source of raw, agricultural commodities. There was thus no impetus to move up the value chain or industrialize, instead these function were left to Britain confining Arentina to stagnation.

Moreover, as immigrants poured into the River Plate, many became tenant farmers on the estancias. Here excessive rents gobbled up the surplus of farmworks and this undermined the consumer demand that would have made domestic manufacturing economically viable. While this led to an agricultural boom, long term it halted Argentine development. The ruling estancieros were untroubled by this though, most were happy to watch their export revenues and ground grants roll in, thus by 1900 Argentina entered a relative GDP per capita peak. Yet this apparent prosperity was profoundly unequal and dependent on export markets.
             

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Re: Argentina
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2022, 04:39:02 pm »
Enemy discussion:

https://vdare.com/posts/argentina-s-great-replacement

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Another 2015 study of 175 Argentines found 67% white, 28% Amerindian, 3.6% black and 1.4% East Asian.
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Buenos Aires is culturally highly European (e.g., we attended a performance of Mussorgsky’s Boris Godunov at the famous Teatro Colon opera house).

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg15481/#msg15481

Continuing:

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I have the vague impression that Argentina has gotten more mestizo since then due to immigration from poorer South American countries such as Bolivia and Paraguay.

So, Argentina is kind of like Mexico, only less Amerinidian. Mexico still have distinctly indio populations who speak Indian languages and wear Indian clothes. In contrast, practically everybody in rural Argentina speaks Spanish and wears European clothes.
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it’s hard to find much about Argentina Indians. Mexico has been fairly solicitous intellectually of its indios since the Revolution, with the government devoting a lot to training anthropologists, restoring their mighty pyramids, and building impressive ethnographic museums as part of the national ideology of la raza cosmica. But Argentina hasn’t showed much interest in their own Indians
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White Argentine leaders such as Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, ex-president of Argentina (1868-1874), crafted a different narrative to erase Blackness because they equated modernity with whiteness. Sarmiento wrote “Facundo: Civilization and Barbarism” (1845), which detailed Argentina’s “backwardness” and what he and others perceived as the need to become “civilized.” He was among those who shared a vision for the nation that associated it more strongly with European, rather than African or Amerindian, heritage.
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    With its history of slavery behind it, Argentina’s leaders focused on modernization, looking to Europe as the cradle of civilization and progress. They believed that to join the ranks of Germany, France and England, Argentina had to displace its Black population — both physically and culturally.

    In many ways, this was not unique to Argentina. This whitening process was attempted throughout much of Latin America, in places such as Brazil, Uruguay and Cuba.

    What makes Argentina’s story unique in this context, however, is that it was successful in its push to build its image as a White country.

    For example, in the 1850s, the political philosopher and diplomat Juan Bautista Alberdi, who was perhaps best known for his saying “to govern is to populate,” promoted White European immigration to the country. Argentine president Justo José de Urquiza (1854-60) supported Alberdi’s ideas and incorporated them in the country’s first constitution. Amendment 25 clearly stated: “The federal government shall foster European immigration.”
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In fact, ex-president Sarmiento remarked toward the end of the 19th century: “Twenty years hence, it will be necessary to travel to Brazil to see Blacks.” He knew that Black Argentines existed but suggested that the country would not recognize them for long. Argentina’s landscape was soon transformed, as 4 million European immigrants answered the government’s call to migrate between 1860 and 1914. That clause remains in Argentina’s constitution today.
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Morocho, an inoffensive label, continues to be used in Argentina today. This term, which references those who are “tan-colored,” has been used as a way of distinguishing non-White people.

Recall additionally:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/allies/hezbollah/msg5090/#msg5090

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www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15029/argentina-designates-hezbollah

   
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Argentina Designates Hezbollah a Terror Group
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    The public registry is a historical landmark containing over 1,000 entries of individuals and entities tied to terrorism in Argentina, including Hezbollah.
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    Just a day after the registry was created, the Financial Intelligence Unit of Argentina (UIF-AR), led by Mariano Federici, ordered the country-wide freeze on Hezbollah's assets in our country.

    Before this executive action by President Macri, Hezbollah was not officially recognized [as a terrorist organization] in Argentina. If someone wanted to raise their flag, they would have been able to do so. Previously, the only people in Argentina labeled as terrorists were those considered terrorists by the U.N. Security Council.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Argentina

   
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The Jewish population in Argentina is the largest in Latin America, the third largest in the Americas, and the world's seventh largest outside Israel.

After Bolivia finishes taking over Chile:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/war/msg16912/#msg16912

we should support it taking over Argentina also.
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Re: Argentina
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2022, 06:21:10 pm »
https://twitter.com/RR_Neanderthal/status/1604945677540270102

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The political angle to this world cup is almost parodic lol

"The all white team suspiciously descended from Germans are all Catholic and only eat high quality meat"

It's like if twitter invented a soccer team

https://twitter.com/ArgenFao/status/1604591946650877952

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Our world champions have been grown eating healthy animal protein-based diets! Argentine meat, sustainable meat. Thanks to our animal farmers, thanks to our champions!



https://twitter.com/BongoIdeas/status/1604401465555968002

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If you know the level of hāte Argentinians have for Błacks, you wouldn’t be rooting for Messi to win the World Cup.

They have no błack player, they view Latįnos as inferiors, they staged genøcide against B!acks, they’re super racïsts.

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https://twitter.com/lilirutai/status/1604566616548823043

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Proof that Hungary is a meme, vol.5638

Fidesz politician congratulates Argentina: “A white, Christian country representing European values became the world champion.”