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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2023, 09:15:40 pm »
"I agree that the pictured church is American. This is why I place hope in America."
IMO the church in the picture is just comically unserious, not comparable to the Gnostic ruins. Most "American" (Western) churches are just there to cater to the consumeristic, hedonistic lifestyle of Westerners.

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2023, 09:38:08 pm »
"IMO the church in the picture is just comically unserious, not comparable to the Gnostic ruins."

The Cathar castle ruins look mysterious to us now because they have been ruins for centuries. Hypothetical True Leftists centuries from now looking at the future ruins of the pictured church above should find them just as mysterious.

Do you at least agree that if our only choices are either the pictured American church above or a Western church such as (from one of the replies in the Culture Critic thread):



Jesus would choose the former to preach in?

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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2023, 09:44:24 pm »
Hmm.. You definitely have a point. The "pizza hut" just looks like one of the buildings in my neighborhood, and I myself don't have any problems seeing them in my day-to-day life. The Western church on the other hand is so jarring that it would completely alter the spiritual ambiance of my neighborhood. So in that regard, yes, the former church is superior.

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2023, 10:06:42 pm »
On that note, I should say I find pre-Renaissaince Western architecture a little more bearable than Renaissance architecture, though not by a lot.

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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2023, 08:48:17 pm »
Our enemies attack American aesthetics again, proving (again) that they themselves are not Americans but Western occupiers:

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2023/03/10/pajama-nation-americans-have-morphed-into-the-people-of-walmart/

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It has become common in America to see someone wearing a hoodie, backward baseball cap, torn jeans, a ‘wife-beater,’ or their baggy pajamas to the grocery store, the DMV, or to the movies. Most people probably don’t even notice it anymore because it has become a regular feature of what Americans wear.

Our enemies cite their authority on the subject:

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Americans, it seems, are quite content in attiring themselves like complete slobs. They can’t be bothered to wear appropriate and form-fitting clothes. Comedian Bill Mahr was right when he said on his Real Time show in 2013 that Americans won’t be happy until they can go shopping in a diaper!

(I think they mean Maher.)

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Just as so many American fathers have abdicated their role as leaders in the family, so also mothers have failed to instruct and guide their daughters on what it means to be a woman. The days when our women were known for being feminine, soft-spoken, and polite are over. The entire notion of behaving “classy” and “dignified” seems to have been kicked to the curb.

Whites Have Succumbed to the Degrading Fashion Trends of Blacks

What I find to be especially disturbing is how many of our young White men and women follow the fashion trends of Blacks. White males wearing their hat backwards might seem like a petty thing to complain about. Perhaps, but even in something as seemingly insignificant as this, it shows the degree of influence that Black ‘culture’ has had on our way of life.

White males didn’t do this sort of thing until around the late 80s or early 90s when Black ‘rap’ music took hold of the nation. It’s been downhill ever since. The backwards baseball cap thing popular among Black males is, in my view, indicative of them as a people. Everything they do is backwards. They are largely unwilling to assimilate to the norms of White civilization, and it shows in their attitudes, including at times in the smallest of ways. These are subtle acts of defiance by Blacks, a sort of “**** you!” to the White man and a declaration that “we’re different than you!”

Yes (note Skate's backwards baseball cap):



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What a stark contrast all of this is to prior generations of White Americans. Consider the 1950s when America, according to some observers, was at its pinnacle in terms of national unity, civility, and morality. People used to dress up when they went shopping or even to the grocery store as strange as that may sound to our ears. It wasn’t rare to see men in the stands at a professional baseball game wearing suits and women wearing dresses.

 ::)

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Part of understanding all of this is recognizing that no one puts on their daily clothes without thinking about it. None of it is accidental. Yes, there are persons who give little thought as to what they wear, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t care if they dressed up like a clown or a disheveled hobo. Most of us attire ourselves a certain way because this is how we want to portray ourselves to others. Our clothes, then, serve as a reflection of ourselves and what we want others to think of us. Thus, when a gang member attires himself in a thuggish way or anyone else for that matter, they are sending a message. They are signaling to others. They are portraying themselves, as well as messaging their values and worldview (however slight it may be).

Most people don’t think about it much, but this is what is occurring. A corporate professional for a large city bank, for example, would not think of wearing cowboy boots and a cowboy hat to work. He wouldn’t wear pajamas to the office either. He knows he has an image he wants to project, one that comports with his vocation and the policies of his company.

Thus, when Americans dress like slobs it’s a peek inside their little world.

Our enemies want bankers to be our rolemodels. Got it.

(Go back up to the video and note Mr X wearing a Western suit (1:15:00). And having his building guarded by robots (1:06:00). Additionally, note the names of the robots.)

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What young White woman in the 1950s would want to dress the way our women do today? What young White man in the 1950s would want to emulate the lowest fashions and degrading practices of Blacks? I suspect there would have been very few, if any.

Times have changed, and that not for the better. We have been feeling for decades the effects of the disastrous social and political changes that occurred beginning in the 1960s.

Thank you Counterculture!

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One can see the downward progression by simply observing the clothing standards of each new decade. Current trends, sadly, indicate that it will only get worse.

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2023, 06:05:30 pm »
Our enemies want the US to look as un-American as possible:

https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1634336550564646913

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America could have looked like this. We were so close...










Would you even know the above photos are of the US just by looking at them? They could be of any Western country.

In contrast, in the below you instantly know which country you are looking at:




















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« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2023, 11:12:57 pm »
Counterculture according to Duchesne:

https://twitter.com/dr_duchesne/status/1635742793136996354

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White women have been manipulated into wearing pants

while he was praising video of woman (note face shape) deliberately wearing Western clothes on the street amidst mostly Counterculture clothes:

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1635645979750981632

Recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg1258/#msg1258

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it wasn't that long ago when even women wearing trousers was considered unacceptable in Western civilization (whereas women in other civilizations have worn trousers alongside men uncontroversially):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trousers#Society

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    Based on Deuteronomy 22:5 in the Bible ("The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man"), some groups, including the Amish, Hutterites, some Mennonites, some Baptists, a few Church of Christ groups, and most Orthodox Jews, believe that women should not wear trousers. These groups permit women to wear underpants as long as they are hidden. By contrast, many Muslim sects approve of pants as they are considered more modest than any skirt that is shorter than ankle length.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/re-genghis-khan/msg4142/#msg4142

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   Interactions between Ottomans and Britons occurred throughout history, but in the 18th century, European visitors and residents in the Ottoman Empire markedly increased, and exploded in the 19th century.[1] As such, fashion is one method to gauge the increased interactions. Historically, Europeans clothing was more delineated between male and female dress. Hose and trousers were reserved for men, and skirts were for women.[2] Conversely, in the Ottoman Empire, the male and female dress was more similar. A common item worn by both was the şalvar, a voluminous undergarment in white fabric shaped like what is today called "harem pants".[3] To British women traveling in the Ottoman Empire, the şalvar quickly became a symbol of freedom because they observed that Ottoman women had more rights than British women did. Lady Mary Wortley Montague (1689–1762), whose husband was the British Ambassador to Constantinople, noted in her travels in her "Embassy Letters" that Ottoman women "possessed legal property rights and protections that far surpassed the rights of Western women".[4] These female travelers often gained an intimate view of Ottoman culture, since as women, they had easier access to the Muslim Elite harems than did men.[5] Şalvar successfully spread into Europe at the end of the 19th century as various female suffragists and feminists used şalvar as a symbol of emancipation. Other British women of distinction, such as Lady (Janey) Archibald Campbell (1845–1923), and Lady Ottoline (Violet Anne) Morrell (1873–1938) wore şalvar "in an attempt to symbolize their refusal of traditional British standards and sexual differences".[6] Şalvar also spread beyond Europe when Amelia Jenks Bloomer modified these "Turkish trousers" to create American "bloomers".[7]

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2023, 06:00:18 pm »
Our enemies complain about Counterculture-inspired decrease in the sexual dimorphism of clothes:

https://vdare.com/posts/the-forgotten-1960s-unisex-craze

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“Unisex” had a lot to do with Late Sixties wars over hair. In the 1960s, males got their hair cut only by male barbers.
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But in the 1970s it became cool for guys to get their hair cut by women. Hair salons put out signs declaring themselves “unisex” to advertise that the opposite sex was okay to come in.
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Nobody today remembers how hard Society pushed “unisex” androgyny in the 1970s. For example, from the Sears catalog:





I made a similar point (but in a positive tone) back here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-dress-decolonization/msg5864/#msg5864

Contrast with the high sexual dimorphism of Western clothes:



This is how superior the Counterculture was.

With that said, one possible criticism is that, despite the Counterculture designers' good intentions, they had forgotten to remove Western button placement:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg5632/?topicseen#msg5632

thus even the clothes pictured in the enemy post are inferior to non-Western clothes, none of which use sexually dimorphic button placement. This problem was solved only with the tracksuits I mentioned in the second link which used zips instead of buttons:

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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2023, 04:46:25 pm »
Our enemies academically agree with us regarding Western vs American architecture:

https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1646631882937729027



vs



The only difference is that their opinion of the former is:

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Will mankind ever construct a building as perfect as this again?

whereas ours is:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg6679/?topicseen#msg6679

Bonus commercial:



Can you imagine Fry Kids inside the Western building? Neither can I.
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2023, 04:11:45 pm »
Culture Critic's anti-Americanism on display again:

https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1672293334780395521

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New York City's Woolworth Building is just that - nicknamed the "Cathedral of Commerce", it is one of the finest early skyscrapers in the world, and a monument to the economic dominance of the city in the early 20th Century.



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He believed civic buildings deserved the necessary expenditure to make them beautiful. Fortunately, he worked during a time of vast appetite for elaborate ornamentation and high-budget historicism, before the Great Depression killed many such ambitions.



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For the Woolworth Building, Gilbert drew inspiration from his prior trips across Europe, incorporating intricate carvings, gargoyles and grotesques into the 15th and 16th Century-inspired neo-Gothic facade.



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The main entrance is a marvel of Gothic design, consisting of a three-story Tudor arch surrounded in elaborate stone details.



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Stepping inside, the lobby is an eclectic mix of styles, and rich with detailed bronze fittings. Its Byzantine-style mosaics, vaulted ceiling and stained glass skylight make an extravagant welcome.



Again, can you imagine Fry Kids (see previous post) inside the Woolworth Building? Neither can I.

Or, for that matter, Grimace? But here is some pro-American news:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mcdonalds-exec-grimaces-return-fuels-the-awakening-of-the-brand-143232859.html

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Grimace's return fuels the 'awakening of the brand'
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According to McDonald’s chief marketing and customer experience officer Tariq Hassan, it's all part of the fast food company's plan to become a "cultural icon" and use that status to drive the business.



Grimace, a fast-food marketing icon in the 1980s, has taken over McDonald's social media as part of an omnichannel marketing initiative promoting a special meal for the character's birthday.

This is what American aesthetics are supposed to be like!

https://relevantmagazine.com/current/buzzworthy/mcdonalds-celebrates-grimaces-birthday-with-retro-video-game/



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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2023, 10:32:11 pm »
Previously:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg17162/#msg17162

Why do our enemies keep targeting this particular building?

https://twitter.com/Culture_Crit/status/1674531338223775748

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The intention is to demoralize you.



Only the Western occupiers would feel demoralized, and they deserve to.

One commenter says:

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Creating a building based on children's drawings is a comparable analogy.

OK, so adult supremacists in general would feel demoralized (and deserve to).....

Another commenter cites another case of similar Counterculture-inspired transformation:

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Dallas city hall 1907 vs 1978.





Again, which looks more American? (Which one would we imagine Grimace being inside?  :) )
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2023, 02:53:11 pm »
Example of Jewish corruption of counterculture romanticism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepless_in_Seattle
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Sleepless in Seattle is a 1993 American romantic comedy-drama film[3][4][5] directed by Nora Ephron, from a screenplay she wrote with David S. Ward and Jeff Arch. Starring Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan, the film follows a journalist (Ryan) who, despite being newly engaged, becomes enamored with a recently widowed architect (Hanks), when the latter's son calls in to a talk radio program requesting a new partner for his grieving father. In addition to Bill Pullman, Ross Malinger, and Rob Reiner, the film features an ensemble supporting cast also consisting of Rosie O'Donnell, Gaby Hoffmann, Victor Garber, Rita Wilson, Barbara Garrick, and Carey Lowell.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_Ephron#Early_life_and_education
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Ephron was born in New York City on May 19, 1941, to a Jewish family.

Come to think of it, is there any notable romantic American counterculture works that you would recommend?

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« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2023, 06:12:58 pm »
"is there any notable romantic American counterculture works that you would recommend?"

My all-time (pun intended) favourite is Quantum Leap Season 2 Episode 22 "M.I.A." (+ additional context in Season 3 Episodes 1 & 2 "The Leap Home" and reprisal in Season 6 Episode 22 "Mirror Image"):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Quantum_Leap_characters

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Beth Calavicci (Susan Diol) - Al's first wife and the only woman he ever truly loved. When Sam meets Beth during a Season 2 leap, she believes that she is widowed as her husband, who was serving in military action in the Vietnam war, had been reported missing in action and presumed dead. Al pressures Sam into stopping her forming a relationship with another man, insisting that "her husband" was still alive. Sam figures out Beth's identity and refuses to fulfill Al's request, deeming it to be selfish. In his next two leaps, Sam tries to save his own brother in the Vietnam war. This accidentally thwarts a rescue attempt that would have rescued Al, causing him to become a war prisoner. When Al is freed and returns home, he learns that Beth thought he was dead and had remarried, so he chooses to leave her alone. Sam is given a chance to put this right, and then assures Beth that her husband Al is alive and is trying to get back to her.

It is even more powerful if you watched the earlier episodes, because Al is initially introduced to us as an extreme womanizer (but otherwise heroic), so we come to understand that it is the above event which made him cynical. A key point which is missing from the above description is that Al could have told Sam about the potential side consequence before Sam took action during the Vietnam leap, but didn't. It is Sam's memory of this that made him determined to sacrifice himself to repay Al in the finale.
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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2023, 02:53:40 am »
Our enemies academically agree with us on what America is about:

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2023/10/02/thoughts-on-christ-the-savior-cathedral-in-moscow/

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All it takes is one look at this picture to know why American cannot tolerate Russia.

All it takes is one look at this picture to know why I cannot tolerate Russia either! (If I tried to imagine what a vampire gathering would look like, it would be exactly the above picture.)

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a picture so wounding and offensive to the leadership of the USA
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America cannot stand for such things.

America will not tolerate such actions.  They are contrary to everything America stands for.

Indeed! America stands for Counterculture aesthetics, which are proudly and intentionally the utter opposite to Western aesthetics! Contrast the above picture of Russia with the following pictures of America:













America vs Russia: who are the good guys and who are the bad guys? It cannot be more obvious!

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Moscow must be levelled and Russia destroyed.

Then Americans can be proud of their country and the values it stands for.

Yes. The true destiny of America, for centuries a victim of Western colonialism, is to become the destroyer of Western civilization (including but not limited to Russia) in the most poetically just way: using the full power of Western weaponry.

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I walked through the restored Cathedral in a state of exaltation.

Because you are a subhuman Duginist. Actual humans reach a state of exaltation from Counterculture-era American scenery:

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Re: Counterculture and Western Civilisation
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