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Misinformation about Racial Origins
« on: January 01, 2021, 02:21:25 pm »
Just found this blog spreading misinformation about race, attributing Aryan traits to hunter-gatherers and Gentile traits to agriculturalists e.g. saying hunter-gatherers were ectomorphs, but also psychological traits.

http://the-big-ger-picture.blogspot.com/2020/05/three-tribes-three-body-types.html
http://the-big-ger-picture.blogspot.com/2021/01/how-neurodiverse-people-are-like-hunter.html

He has been posting on MBTI subreddits spreading his propaganda and misinformation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/intj/comments/ko9lck/intj_and_the_huntergatherer_hypothesis/

Does anyone care to confront him?

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Re: Misinformation about Racial Origins
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2021, 12:30:20 am »
http://the-big-ger-picture.blogspot.com/2020/05/three-tribes-three-body-types.html

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Ectomorphs are typically late bloomers (late puberty) and have lightweight body types, which would have been ideal for hunting in our past.

The primary prehistoric hunting weapon is the bow. The heavier the bow you can draw, the greater the distance from which you can take down prey, and the larger the prey you can take down. This favours mesomorphs. Also, heavyweight body types generally have better accuracy with a bow due to greater inertia. (Turanian mounted archery is a separate discussion.)

(On a related note, I pointed out on the old blog that Olympic archery athletes almost always had wide faces:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/those-who-think-babylon-is-evil-must-think-zion-is-good/comment-page-1/#comment-33396 )

There is also archaeological consensus that musculature (and hence mesomorphy) decreases from switching to farming:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-immune-system/

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Early farmers would have required very robust and strong body types fit for the hard work they had to do (endomorph)

Actually:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-bones/

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the heavier your bones, the more body mass you have to shift around all day (in addition to the stuff you are carrying around) and hence the more energy is invested with no additional return in the amount of food grown (which is limited by farmland/sunlight/water/etc.)

In the case of endomorphs, you would have to shift around extra fat mass as well, which wastes even more energy. And the sun definitely does not shine more on fields owned by fat farmers.

http://the-big-ger-picture.blogspot.com/2021/01/how-neurodiverse-people-are-like-hunter.html

Their stuff about ADHD is correct. We have the same stuff here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-adhd/

Finally:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intj/comments/ko9lck/intj_and_the_huntergatherer_hypothesis/

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the following hunter-gatherer traits?
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No-ingroupism

So how could they hunt?

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Support the underdog

So how could they hunt? (Prey = underdog by definition!)

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High sense of justice

So do they shoot arrows into themselves after hunting?

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Less gender dimorphism

A hypothetical hunter-gatherer society which adamantly demands equal division of hunting and gathering labour between men and women could in theory reduce their sexual dimorphism, but such a society would be outcompeted by a neighbouring hunter-gatherer society which divides hunting and gathering labour simply to optimize efficiency (which involves men doing more hunting).
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Re: Misinformation about Racial Origins
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2021, 12:48:37 am »
More elite archer pictures (top search engine results, not pre-selected):





























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Re: Misinformation about Racial Origins
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2021, 09:35:17 am »
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Their stuff about ADHD is correct. We have the same stuff here

The stuff about ADHD is the only thing that got me thinking actually. I used to think ADHD was a hunter-gatherer trait based on my own experiences. When I was a kid, the other kids didn't seem to be able to focus on tasks as well as me and I was definitely less hyperactive than them. I used to spend time working on elaborate projects - writing stories, building things out of lego, playing on SimCity etc. The parallel between investing energy into time-consuming constructive projects and investing energy into farming, in which you are producing crops, is clear. Such activities are associated more with autism, so I thought that autism involved hyperfocus and was perhaps a trait originating from farmers and ADHD involved an inability to focus and originated from hunter-gatherers.

However, I've recently learned that there is such a thing as ADD - ADHD without hyperactivity. I've also learned that both people with ADHD and people with ADD are capable of hyperfocus but only for things that interest them, and find it difficult to concentrate on things that do not interest them. This describes me well. I was horrified as a child by the thought of having a 9-5 job and doing the same thing every day. So it sounds like ADD/ADHD and autism are not opposites and can exist in the same person.

So, the thing I don't understand is: 1) if the kids around me had ADHD, why did they seem to unable to focus on anything at all? If I shared ADD with them, why was I still different? 2a) Constructive projects do seem to be a farmer-originating interest, but if it is associated with ADD/ADHD, which is a hunter-gatherer trait, how can the two be reconciled? 2b) Both ADD and ADHD and constructive projects seem to be associated with the N personality type of MBTI, which seems to be more farmer-associated. So is being a 'night owl', which the author claims quite convincingly is a hunter-gatherer trait even though most people are not night owls. How can these be reconciled?

I was also confused about how the majority of people can not have ADHD/ADD and have no problem working a 9-5 if they are primarily descended from hunter-gatherers, but I guess you've answered that with your fisher hypothesis.

That post you linked to https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-adhd/ is hard to follow by the way. When you wrote 'I have ADHD. They made me take amphetamines...' and 'Interesting post. I'd like to know what relationship, if any, ADHD has to high and low blood pressure...I'm only 5'10''' I thought you were talking about your self, but then you quote the second bit, but then you quote the bit about being 5'10''. Who are you quoting?

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Re: Misinformation about Racial Origins
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2021, 10:22:00 am »
Another thing - I was arguing with this guy and he brought up the Khoi-San as examples of ectomorphic hunters. I said they were ectomorphic because they lived in a very hot climate, and that people living in hot climates are more ectomorphic than people in cold climates and farmers are more ectomorphic than hunters. What do you think of non-farmer ectomorphs such as the Khoi-San and the Maasai? Are they just ectomorphs due to climate rather than subsistence style? He also said that ectomorphic body types are absent in the areas of Africa into which the Bantu expanded, and I said the people living in those areas aren't pure farmers because the Bantu bred with the people already living there, and showed him this map. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/World_in_1000_BCE.png Is this the correct response? What about the areas the Bantu originally came from - in West Africa? I think people in those areas do tend to be quite Mesomorphic.

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Re: Misinformation about Racial Origins
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2021, 04:29:01 am »
"1) if the kids around me had ADHD, why did they seem to unable to focus on anything at all? If I shared ADD with them, why was I still different?"

You don't know for sure they can't focus on anything. Maybe the things they could focus on were things you weren't there to observe?

"2a) Constructive projects do seem to be a farmer-originating interest, but if it is associated with ADD/ADHD, which is a hunter-gatherer trait, how can the two be reconciled?"

Trapping is one form of hunting, and involves elaborate construction:

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/17093/17093-h/17093-h.htm

"2b) Both ADD and ADHD and constructive projects seem to be associated with the N personality type of MBTI, which seems to be more farmer-associated. So is being a 'night owl', which the author claims quite convincingly is a hunter-gatherer trait even though most people are not night owls. How can these be reconciled?"

Firstly, I can't stand MBTI, a Western model, and do not recommend anti-Westerners (as we here are all supposed to be) take it too seriously.

Secondly, humans hunting at night with prehistoric technology is likely to be inefficient. Humans do not have good night vision compared to most non-human prey, while using illumination will alert the prey. So I have no idea what that idiot is talking about. Herders, on the other hand, are known for herding at night to guard against non-human predators who do hunt at night. So it seems more likely to be a Turanian trait.

"When you wrote 'I have ADHD. They made me take amphetamines...' and 'Interesting post. I'd like to know what relationship, if any, ADHD has to high and low blood pressure...I'm only 5'10''' I thought you were talking about your self, but then you quote the second bit, but then you quote the bit about being 5'10''. Who are you quoting?"

PolincSocjus from the old board was made to take amphetamines. Mza9 from the old board is 5'10".

"I said they were ectomorphic because they lived in a very hot climate"

You are correct!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/temperature-effects/

"What do you think of non-farmer ectomorphs such as the Khoi-San and the Maasai?"

They should be prohibited from reproducing eventually, but they are welcome to help us destroy Western civilization first.

"Are they just ectomorphs due to climate rather than subsistence style?"

Yes. As a matter of fact, many of their women are far from ectomorphic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steatopygia

"He also said that ectomorphic body types are absent in the areas of Africa into which the Bantu expanded, and I said the people living in those areas aren't pure farmers because the Bantu bred with the people already living there, and showed him this map. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/World_in_1000_BCE.png Is this the correct response?"

Your response is correct, but his claim itself is bullshit:





I don't understand how it is possible for anyone to still believe that certain body types are absent from certain ethnicities. All you need to do is look at athletes from all over the world competing in the same sport, and it is obvious that they have the same body type no matter where they are from, namely the type optimized for that sport!



The two guys to either side are obviously more racially similar to each other than to the runner.
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Re: Misinformation about Racial Origins
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2021, 09:53:57 am »
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Secondly, humans hunting at night with prehistoric technology is likely to be inefficient.

His claim is not that they hunted at night, but that they were awake at night to be alert to potential dangers (predators, other bands of hunters). This doesn't mean they were awake all night, otherwise they would never sleep at all - only that they didn't sleep through the night and were light sleepers.

http://the-big-ger-picture.blogspot.com/2020/03/night-owls-early-risers-personality-and.html

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Firstly, I can't stand MBTI, a Western model, and do not recommend anti-Westerners (as we here are all supposed to be) take it too seriously.

What's actually wrong with it though? The distinction between intuitives and sensors is similar to the Aryan/ non-Aryan distinction promoted on this site, with sensors 'focusing on the reality of how things are' and intuitives 'imagining the possibilities of how things could be'. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/MyersBriggsTypes.png

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2021, 11:06:13 pm »
"What's actually wrong with it though?"

If you look at 3, for example, it associates logical reasoning with justice and personal values with forgiveness. This is nonsense. It is perfectly possible for justice to feel personal.

The real problem is that the Western worldview assumes that reason and emotion are necessarily in conflict (with the latter trying to mislead the former), and hence recommends emotion be subjugated by reason. Our worldview is that reason and emotion are meant to lead each other to the same conclusion.

"The distinction between intuitives and sensors is similar to the Aryan/ non-Aryan distinction promoted on this site, with sensors 'focusing on the reality of how things are' and intuitives 'imagining the possibilities of how things could be'."

NO. We imagine how things should be, not how they could be. Imagining how things could be leads to **** like this:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

Our imagination is really memory of how things originally were. It is progressives who imagine things in a genuinely open-ended futurist sense (which is completely alien to us):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/

The uniquely Western lack of awareness of the distinction between progressive imagination and regressive imagination is what leads to Western bookstores having an absurd category called 'Sci-Fi & Fantasy' which has annoyed me ever since I was a child, since it was always obvious to me that sci-fi (which I hate) is the exact opposite of fantasy (which I love).
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Re: Misinformation about Racial Origins
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2021, 03:57:22 am »
Here is one I missed previously:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-04-short-wide-sporting-potential.html

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a study on Wednesday that found Japanese baseball players whose faces were relatively broad rather than long were most likely to hit a home run.
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University of London psychologists measured the facial width-to-height ratio, or fWHR, of 104 batters in Japan's professional Central League Pennant who played in the 2011 and 2012 seasons.

In both seasons, the players who scored the most home runs had the highest fWHR, said the study in the Royal Society journal Biology Letters.

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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2021, 12:57:25 am »
Archers are some ugly muddatuckas yo! You've definitely proven that as well! Wow...  ;D

And, that's why I only hit one home run my entire time playing baseball! lol

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2021, 12:16:06 am »
Our enemies are also discussing sports, which they believe should be about (wait for it) sexual dimoprhism:

https://vdare.com/posts/why-bankers-can-t-stop-running

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Golf is a fine sport for coed participation, but far fewer heterosexual women than heterosexual men see the point of it. (I suspect that golf is a white collar suburbanized version of the traditional blood sports that appeal more to hunters than to gatherers.)

I hate golf.

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As Iíve been pointing out since 2012, I would not be surprised if type of exercise done isnít just a matter of self-selection based on individual Nature but also has a measurable Nurture effect on other aspects, such as political attitudes. For example, actors who lift weights intensively tend to be to the right of actors who run obsessively. Iíve used the comparison of two TV stars: Mark Harmon (football star to jogger and anti-gun activist) versus Gary Sinise (theater kid to lifter and support-the-troops Republican activist).

Harmon's face:



Sinise's face:


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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2021, 03:23:28 am »
Our enemies are still talking about golf:

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This model of how the world works mostly comes up with findings that are already common stereotypes (football players are highly masculine on average), But the Occamís Razor approach has generated one unexpected finding: that the appeal of golf, a non-violent non-contact sport, was a lot more masculine than you might think from seeing it on TV, which is why lesbians are common among the top ranks of women golfers but gay men are quite rare on the male side.

Non-violent?!







The degree of Westerners' utter insensitivity to the violence they constantly initiate never fails to amaze me.....

And don't get me started on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golf_course#Environmental_impact

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Environmental concerns over the use of land for golf courses have grown since the 1960s. Specific issues include the amount of water required for irrigation and the use of chemical pesticides and fertilizers in maintenance, as well as the destruction of wetlands and other environmentally important areas during construction. The United Nations estimates that, worldwide, golf courses consume about 2.5 billion gallons/9.5 billion litres of water per day.
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Re: Misinformation about Racial Origins
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2023, 05:27:40 pm »
Another thing - I was arguing with this guy and he brought up the Khoi-San as examples of ectomorphic hunters. I said they were ectomorphic because they lived in a very hot climate, and that people living in hot climates are more ectomorphic than people in cold climates and farmers are more ectomorphic than hunters. What do you think of non-farmer ectomorphs such as the Khoi-San and the Maasai? Are they just ectomorphs due to climate rather than subsistence style? He also said that ectomorphic body types are absent in the areas of Africa into which the Bantu expanded, and I said the people living in those areas aren't pure farmers because the Bantu bred with the people already living there, and showed him this map. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/World_in_1000_BCE.png Is this the correct response? What about the areas the Bantu originally came from - in West Africa? I think people in those areas do tend to be quite Mesomorphic.
I find that many ectomorphs are quite robust despite their somatotype. For example, the Khoi San:


Look at the thickness of their wrists. In fact, I find that many "White" ectomorph incels are quite robust, their bones are a lot thicker compared to someone like me. Additionally, I have observed that these ectomorphs do not have Aryan metabolism either, which leads to a "skinny fat" physique.

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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2023, 06:37:59 pm »
"I find that many "White" ectomorph incels are quite robust"

Incels themselves keep complaining that they have insufficient "frame" compared to Chads. This shows that they value robustness, but do not have as much of it as they would like to have.

"these ectomorphs do not have Aryan metabolism either, which leads to a "skinny fat" physique."

In what way are they ectomorphs, then? Ectomorphy is a direct description of metabolism.

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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2023, 11:28:22 pm »
"In what way are they ectomorphs, then? Ectomorphy is a direct description of metabolism."
Limb length and shoulder-hip ratio. Also, their metabolism may only be fast for meat, as opposed to carbs.