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psyarxiv.com/7vdmb/
men’s preferences for female facial sex-typicality show a much more systematic 94
pattern. Although there is some research showing environment-related variation in facial femininity 95
preferences (38), more feminine female faces are perceived as more attractive unanimously across 96
cultures (12, 39–41). This may be because it could reveal reproductive potential (i.e. fecundity), as 97
women with more feminine faces may have higher levels of estrogen (42).
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weaker preference for feminine-looking women has been found to be 401
positively correlated with level of national health (38).
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An interesting finding is that all European countries revealed 420
larger differences between male and female average faces than in all the other populations.
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What are your opinions on this about Japan?
japantoday.com/category/features/kuchikomi/japanese-women%27s-breast-size-boasts-40-years-of-continued-growth
TOKYO
Well, there's no denying it any more: the size of Japanese mammaries have become larger. We know this thanks to a survey by lingerie manufacturer Triumph International Japan, which recently made public the results of its research.
According to Nikkan Gendai (Aug 7), the subjects of the survey were Japanese females between the ages of 20 through 60 years. And when the data was confirmed, Triumph found that while only 4.5% of its customers had required a D-cup size bra or larger back in 1980, that percentage had expanded to 17.6% by 1990. By 2018, the percentage had swelled impressively to 53.1%. Or in other words, a remarkable twelve-fold increase over 40 years.
Interestingly, the 17.5-centimetre average measurement from the underside of the breast to the top had not shown any appreciable change during those four decades. Which means the size of the breasts themselves had definitely become larger.
Naturally, Nikkan Gendai's reporter wants to know why.
"There are two reasons for this," explained Shuko Sakata, manager of brand marketing at Triumph. "The first is changes in the diet, such as increased meat consumption and westernization in general. The other is because we manufacturers have become better at teaching customers the correct way to select a brassiere. When putting on their bras, women tend to lean forward and by so doing gravity collects fleshy parts on the sides of their torso to fill up the cup. That alone can increase cup size by as much as two sizes."
Mutsuko Taniguchi, a veteran stylist with some 40 years in the trade, is in agreement.
"These days when women put on their bra, they press in their flesh from four directions -- from the sides below their arms, up from their stomach area and then downwards from their collarbones. Doing this produces more cleavage and posture benefits from an overall improvement," she said.
Japan has a culture of exposure, says Taniguchi, so women here want to emphasize their cleavage, whereas these days western females tend to dress in a way that enables their left and right breasts independent movement.
Arata Samon, a doctor and author, estimates that 70 to 80% of women's breast sizes are determined by heredity.
"But for the remaining 20% or so, nutrition has a certain effect," he says. "About 90% of a breast is composed of fat cells. The levels of body fat are determined at three life stages: while still an embryo, while nursing up to around age 3, and then at puberty. If one's mother ingests a lot of beef or pork during pregnancy, the number of fat cells in the fetus will increase. Then what they consume as children and adolescents, such as meat, dairy products, fried chicken, convenience store sandwiches and so on, will enhance the size of the breasts. If you look back at dietary changes over the past 40 years, the greater ingestion of fats has definitely had an impact on women's breast size."
And no doubt we can look forward to continued growth in the future, the writer says.
© Japan Today
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I agree with the article that both heredity and Westernized diet are likely to be contributing factors to this phenomenon, which aesthetically should be considered a negative development, as it is an increase in sexual dimorphism. However, I am more concerned with what is considered ideal than what is going on with averages. So long as low sexual dimorphism remains the ideal, it will be returned to over time, even if current average sexual dimorphism is high. The real problem is if high sexual dimorphism has become the ideal, which I fear may be the case.
The bra itself is a colonial-era Western invention intended to accentuate sexual dimorphism:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_bras#The_emergence_of_the_bra_in_the_19th_century
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www.psypost.org/2020/03/womens-sexual-fluidity-is-reflected-in-preferences-for-male-facial-masculinity-study-finds-56093Batres and her colleagues found that women with higher levels of attraction to other women were more likely to view less masculine-looking male faces as more attractive.
This agrees with my anecdotal observations. I also suspect that the converse is true as well. I have a somewhat primitive male cousin who, whenever asked about which of several male celebrities etc. he considers best-looking, literally says that this is not a valid question. The notion that he could consider any male to be good looking is alien to him, in other words his idea of "beauty" is 100% equated to sexual arousal. And guess what? The type of women he prefers is ultra-feminine.
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"So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them" - Tanakh---
Whereas we are all about:
"When you make the male and the female one, so that the male will not be male nor the female female ... then will you enter the Kingdom.” - JesusBut until then, this **** will continue:
www.pnas.org/content/110/17/6925Here we show, based upon female assessment of digitally projected life-size, computer-generated images, that **** size interacts with body shape and height to determine male sexual attractiveness. Positive linear selection was detected for **** size, but the marginal increase in attractiveness eventually declined with greater **** size (i.e., quadratic selection). **** size had a stronger effect on attractiveness in taller men than in shorter men. There was a similar increase in the positive effect of **** size on attractiveness with a more masculine body shape (i.e., greater shoulder-to-hip ratio). Surprisingly, larger **** size and greater height had almost equivalent positive effects on male attractiveness. Our results support the hypothesis that female mate choice could have driven the evolution of larger penises in humans.
(Note the website acronym.)
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Is Yamato Nadeshiko (Japanese ideal women) considered to be feminine in your book?
www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2013/09/15/language/nadeshiko-adorable-till-they-die/#.Xpb8H_ktWNwThe Yamato nadeshiko is renowned for her bihada (美肌, beautiful skin), bihatsu (美髪, beautiful hair) and yanagigoshi (柳腰, willowy hips), not to mention a patented okuyukashisa (奥ゆかしさ, a deep and abiding modesty) that both defines her personality and adorns her being. She’s also about practicality. According to my own observations, 75 percent of the typical Yamato nadeshiko is made up of an unshakeable devotion to kaji (家事, household chores) — whether she’s married or not.
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"beautiful skin"
"beautiful hair"
If skin is beautiful by being neotenous, then it is not feminine. But if skin is beautiful by being estrogen-enhanced, then it is feminine.
"willowy hips"
Willowy usually means slender, which would not be feminine, since estrogen widens hips.
"deep and abiding modesty"
If modest in the same way that men are expected to be modest, then it is not feminine. If modest in a way that men are not expected to be modest, then it is feminine.
"household chores"
If also expected of men, then it is not feminine. If not expected of men, then it is feminine.
Our general principle is that
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"The sad fact is people cannot choose their bodies."
But we can choose which bodies reproduce. This is one of the most important things we are promoting.
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And then there is this **** (I told you so):
psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fmen0000119
Past research has highlighted links between meat consumption and masculine gender role norms such that meat consumers are generally attributed more masculine traits than their vegetable-consuming counterparts. However, the direct link between gender roles and men’s food choices has been somewhat neglected in the literature. Three studies conducted in Italy investigated this link between meat and masculinity. Studies 1 and 2 analyzed female mating preference for vegetarian and omnivorous partners, confirming that women preferred omnivorous men (Study 1 and 2), rated them as more attractive (Study 1 and 2), and felt more positive about them (Study 1) than vegetarians. Moreover Study 2 showed that the attribution of masculinity mediated this relationship, such that vegetarian men were considered less attractive because they were perceived as less masculine. Study 3 tested the relationship between the endorsement of food-related gender norms and food choices in a sample of Italian men. The results showed that men who perceived vegetarianism as feminine preferred meat-based dishes for themselves and expected their female partners to choose vegetarian dishes. Together, these findings show that gender role norms prescribing that men eat meat are actively maintained by both women and men and do in fact guide men’s food choices.
This is consistent with my personal experiences of hearing even some vegan women prefer men to not be vegan.
Yes, vegan men
are less masculine. That is a sign of racial superiority. The solution is not for vegan men to try to become more masculine. The correct solution is to prohibit reproduction by women who find less masculine men less attractive (which is a sign of racial inferiority).
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@90sRetroFanWhat's your opinion on Patrik Baboumian, vegan strongman?
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Women who find him more attractive than me should not be allowed to reproduce either.
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"But what if that person is bad, even though they are androgynous? Shouldn't reproduction based on the reproducers' merit?"
If by merit you mean behaviour, then the problem is that a bad person with a strong desire to reproduce and who is aware that selection is based on good behaviour will be willing to feign good behaviour solely for the sake of being selected for reproduction. Thus we will not achieve the objective of Aryanization (ie. eliminating heritably ignoble bloodlines), but instead will tend to select in favour of people with the strongest desire to reproduce, which is the opposite of our goal!
The only behaviour that can be used reliably to decide who should be allowed to reproduce is behaviour during early childhood, prior to those being selected becoming aware that state control over reproduction even exists.
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Patrik Baboumian is promoted amongst vegans for being strong like this without consuming animals.
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If he can convert to veganism people that otherwise would not consider it, I of course support this on a pragmatic level, as every former non-vegan becoming vegan - irrespective of their reason for doing so - reduces the total number of victims of the meat/dairy/egg industries.
This does not diminish my point that those who would only become vegan after seeing him (as opposed to, for example, seeing violence against animals, duh!) are, among vegans, the biologically inferior fraction who should not be allowed to reproduce.
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Fertility is racist:
medicalxpress.com/news/2011-06-prejudice-linked-women-menstrual.html
fertile women were more biased against men of different races and men of different social groups than men of their own group.
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McDonald and Navarrete said their team's findings are consistent with the idea that women's prejudice may reflect the workings of an evolved psychological system that once functioned to protect them from sexual coercion, particularly when the costs are highest – that is, when women are fertile.
So what does this say about the majority of men who prefer fertile women?
medicalxpress.com/news/2012-08-men-women-fertile.html
a growing body of evidence that suggests that men are able to not only detect when women are ovulating, but find them more attractive
(I personally find even the idea that a menstrual cycle exists to be disturbing. I have always been disgusted by sanitary pad/tampon/etc. commercials especially, and can never look in the same way afterwards at the celebrities who star in the commercials. Fortunately, celebrities picked for such commercials tend to be high in sexual dimorphism anyway, and hence not ones that I particularly liked in the first place.)
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When we're judging aesthetics, the main focus is not actually about the individuals in the images. It's about the perceptions of the individuals who are viewing the images! How a viewer reacts to the images and how attractive they consider the images is a test revealing the quality of the viewer's aesthetics.
We must use photos of actual people to discuss about aesthetics, because artistic depictions and computer-generated images are not always available and not always able to evoke the same emotions and reactions as images of real people.
In other words, when we have these sorts of discussions, we are not discussing the ethical quality of someone like Baboumian and whether or not he personally should be allowed to reproduce, but rather people who view photos of him and find his physical type the most attractive.
If instead of using photos of Baboumian, we used some random person from the street, there would be no way to determine the ethical quality of that individual solely from looking at them. The only thing we could determine is the aesthetic quality of whoever looks at the photos! And, indeed, that is what we are testing.
We judge highly masculine and highly feminine body types to be aesthetically inferior because these body types are
correlated with ignoble character traits (i.e. see all the scientific studies that have been posted here. Factors such as high testosterone/estrogen are often what are influencing both the body types and behaviors). Therefore, we hypothesize an individual who prefers highly-sexually-dimorphic body types will have a higher tendency towards those ignoble character traits as well.
Additionally, over time, selection for highly-dimorphic body types will also decrease the average ethical quality of the population (again, because selecting for these body types will increase average testosterone/estrogen levels in the population).
This is why racial idealism matters in the long run.It is not because these body/face types themselves inherently cause ignoble behavior. As you point out, Baboumian is vegan, and therefore ethically superior to an androgynous-looking person who has always preferred a meat-heavy diet. But, we aren't judging him as an individual, but instead the people who find his body type the most attractive.
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"Additionally, over time, selection for highly-dimorphic body types will also decrease the average ethical quality of the population (again, because selecting for these body types will increase average testosterone/estrogen levels in the population)."
It's even worse than you describe:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513817304105Recent evidence suggests that in sexual selection on human males, intrasexual competition plays a larger role than female choice. In a sample of men (N = 164), we sought to provide further evidence on the effects of men's physical dominance and sexual attractiveness on mating success and hence in sexual selection. Objective measures and subjective ratings of male sexually dimorphic traits purportedly under sexual selection (height, vocal and facial masculinity, upper body size from 3D scans, physical strength, and baseline testosterone) and observer perceptions of physical dominance and sexual attractiveness based on self-presentation video recordings were assessed and associated with mating success (sociosexual behaviour and number of potential conceptions) in a partly longitudinal design. Results from structural equation models and selection analyses revealed that physical dominance, but not sexual attractiveness, predicted mating success. Physical dominance mediated associations of upper body size, physical strength, as well as vocal and facial physical dominance and attractiveness with mating success. These findings thus suggest a greater importance of intrasexual competition than female choice in human male sexual selection.
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www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200526151738.htmOne in three women in Europe inherited the receptor for progesterone from Neandertals -- a gene variant associated with increased fertility, fewer bleedings during early pregnancy and fewer miscarriages. This is according to a study published in Molecular Biology and Evolution by researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany and Karolinska Institutet in Sweden.
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Progesterone is a hormone, which plays an important role in the menstrual cycle and in pregnancy. Analyses of biobank data from more than 450,000 participants -- among them 244,000 women -- show that almost one in three women in Europe have inherited the progesterone receptor from Neandertals. Twenty-nine percent carry one copy of the Neandertal receptor and three percent have two copies.
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The study shows that women who carry the Neandertal variant of the receptor tend to have fewer bleedings during early pregnancy, fewer miscarriages, and give birth to more children.
Carriers should be prohibited from reproducing.