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Posted by: HikariDude
« on: February 18, 2023, 12:29:24 pm »

I apologize if my question is late but I still don't get how the NS Uniforms compare with other non-Western uniforms and contrast with Western uniforms.

If I was making sure of myself, it's because of the uniformity and the corrupt environment of Germany at the time. Not only that, but the physique doesn't look overly emphasized enough to be "Western." Compare with the American sack suit (contrast with the British and Italian suits):


Note how the waist of the American suit looks less even with the waists of the British and Italian suits.

In terms of sexual dimorphism, here's Hitler in his uniform next to Braun:


That's what I call coordination. Sadly that faded away after Counterculture.

But in my opinion, what's more important than the dress code (even Western dress codes) is what you make of it. Here's Hitler and his SA members:


Hitler's outfit is less decorated than some of the others.

But to be sure, if an individual's outfit is complex, they need to coordinate with the others. If an individual's outfit has to stand out, their best bet is a simpler outfit. I still would like some feedback, even if it's not from 90sRetroFan (though 90sRF can reply if they want to).
Posted by: guest90
« on: December 29, 2022, 06:03:27 am »

Quote from: HikariDude on December 25, 2022, 08:21:16 pm

I'm also starting to realize that it wasn't until Western influence when militaries started practicing hiding, where soldiers can kill another soldier without them knowing. Camouflage suits this practice while bright colors don't. Back in pre-colonial times, every soldier, regardless of side, were killing in harmony, which meant the color of the uniform didn't matter as much.

You can clearly see the hunter-gatherer influence with camouflage, as it allows predators to destroy their prey without the victim being alerted and thus less able to fight back or flee in time. This is an ignoble tactic to use in warfare, where combat and intent should be openly declared, especially if one is an invading army (after all, if your reasons of invasion are noble, what reason is there to hide?).
Posted by: Moltke
« on: December 26, 2022, 07:57:47 pm »

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Interesting to see that camouflage is a distinctly Western military color. Seeing pre-colonial militaries like Rome:

It is interesting to note that as the machines of war become deadlier the more armies find the need to hide from each other. Aerial reconnaissance and bombardment, artillery, tanks, and sniper rifles, have all made it necessary to hide equipment and soldiers as much as possible. Given enough time I'm sure Western military's will invent cloaking devices such as the ones found in The Predator movies as well.

I suppose we could put forth the argument that soldier's hide from the western machines western civilians invent. Even more bizarre of a phenomenon when it's worded that way I'm thinking...
Posted by: HikariDude
« on: December 25, 2022, 08:21:16 pm »

@Moltke

Interesting to see that camouflage is a distinctly Western military color. Seeing pre-colonial militaries like Rome:



and Heian period Japan:



now leads me realize more how bland Western militaries are. I'm also starting to realize that it wasn't until Western influence when militaries started practicing hiding, where soldiers can kill another soldier without them knowing. Camouflage suits this practice while bright colors don't. Back in pre-colonial times, every soldier, regardless of side, were killing in harmony, which meant the color of the uniform didn't matter as much.
Posted by: HikariDude
« on: December 25, 2022, 06:13:50 pm »

Quote from: Billy Kid on December 25, 2022, 01:06:09 pm

Counter culture era dress


Like Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake's iconic denim outfits. High in sexual dimorphism but here's a comparison:



You can tell which one is from Counterculture-era by the amount of rhinestones and colors/shades their outfits have. The outfits of Britney and JT have less rhinestones and were closer to being monotone than the outfits of Katy Perry and Riff Raff. Not to mention their accessories and Raff's tattoos. The outfits of Perry and Raff weren't even denim outfits, therefore have slightly less quality (if not completely less quality) than the outfits of Britney and JT.
Posted by: Moltke
« on: December 25, 2022, 02:54:21 pm »

Perhaps Hitler didn't want to **** off too many military generals when he gained power through election? Even though Hitler himself had served in the military, the Western structural hierarchy was still deeply ingrained within German society, the trinity of the government, the military, and the people, was very much still present. One could certainly argue that NS military uniforms were still western in design by the start of WWII.

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Word usage

The Oxford English Dictionary traces collar in its modern meaning to c. 1300, when collars served as neck-protecting armour.[1]
History

Today's shirt collars descend from the rectangular band of linen around the neck of 16th century shirts. Separate ruffs exist alongside attached ruffled collars from the mid-16th century, usually to allow starching and other fine finishing,[citation needed] or to make collar-laundering easier.[2]

During the medieval period and sporadically thereafter, people wore ornamental collars as a form of jewelry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collar_(clothing)

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When people are fighting for their existence on this planet and are faced with the fatal question, “to be or not to be”, all considerations of humaneness or appearances crumble into nothing. These concepts are not floating in the air, but are born in man’s imagination where they will cease to exist when he ceases to exist. Man’s departure from this world dissolves those concepts into nothing because Nature does not know them. They are limited to the men in a handful of countries or rather a few races, and their value is only to the degree they unfold from these men’s feelings. Humaneness and showy-idealism for the sake of appearances would disappear from the inhabited world if the races that created and upheld these concepts were lost.

In a peoples’ struggle for its existence in the world, these concepts are of only minor importance. They are not important in determining the form of the struggle. If the time comes when they might cripple the drive for self-preservation in a struggling people, they must be discarded.

As far as the question of humaneness is concerned, even Moltke (known as Moltke the Elder, Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke was a Prussian soldier, Chief of General Staff in 1858 and responsible for the French defeat in 1870) pointed out that in war it is essential to make a decision as quickly as possible, and that the most ruthless methods of fighting are at the same time the most humane.

If anyone should try to improve us with nonsense about putting on airs of moral superiority for appearance’s sake or showy-idealism because it is what they think other people believe we should do, there can only be one answer: Any question of destiny that is as important as a people’s struggle to survive immediately disposes of any duty to demonstrate “proper” appearances or to be concerned in any way with how we appear to outsiders. The least beautiful thing that can exist in human life is the yoke of slavery. Or do these touchy-feely people find the present lot of the German nation only an appearance to be viewed by others? We have no need to discuss the matter with the Jews. They are the inventors of this perfume of civilization which makes people more concerned with appearances than with survival. Their whole existence is a denial of the beauty of God’s creation. — Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg.115

Certainly alot for Aryanists to disagree with in the quote as well. Gnostic considerations did not really enter NS thought until the arrival of Alfred Rosenberg either: (The following sentence from Wikipedia makes absolutely no sense by the way.)

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He is known for his rejection of and hatred for Christianity,[2][3] having played an important role in the development of German nationalist Positive Christianity.[4]
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The author of a seminal work of Nazi ideology, The Myth of the Twentieth Century (1930), Rosenberg is considered one of the main authors of key Nazi ideological creeds, including its racial theory, persecution of the Jews, Lebensraum, abrogation of the Treaty of Versailles, and opposition to what was considered "degenerate" modern art.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg

Moltke the Elder, Chief of the General Staff from 1857–88, modernized the Prussian Army during his tenure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Army

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Prussian virtues (German: preußische Tugenden) are the virtues associated with the historical Kingdom of Prussia (1701–1918). They were derived from Prussia's militarism and the ethical code of the Prussian Army as well as from bourgeois values such as honesty and frugality that were influenced by Pietism and the Enlightenment. The so-called "German virtues" that include punctuality, order and diligence can also be traced back to Prussian virtues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_virtues

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Military dress and styles have gone through significant changes over the centuries, from colourful and elaborate, ornamented clothing until the 19th century, to utilitarian camouflage uniforms for field and battle purposes from World War I (1914–1918) on. Military uniforms in the form of standardised and distinctive dress, intended for identification and display, are typically a sign of organised military forces equipped by a central authority.

Military uniforms differ not only according to military units but tend to also be offered in different levels of formality in accordance with Western dress codes: full dress uniform for formal wear, mess dress uniform for semi-formal wear, service dress uniform for informal wear, and combat uniform (also called "battle/field dress") which would equal casual wear. Sometimes added to the casual wear category is physical training uniforms.

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End of bright colours

Until 1914 the majority of armies still provided colourful dress uniforms for all ranks,[23][24] at least for parade and off-duty wear. These often retained distinctive features from the past. Most Russian troops, for example, wore the very dark green introduced by Peter the Great in 1700. German infantry generally wore the dark "Prussian blue" of the previous two centuries. This and other features of the historic Prussian Army uniform were generally adopted by the other German States as they fell under Prussian influence before and after the Franco-Prussian War of 1870. Bavarians, however, continued to wear light blue and Saxon regiments retained a number of distinctions after the establishment of the German Empire (1871).[25] Two regiments of the Prussian Guard and one of the Russian were still issued with the brass mitre caps of the 18th-century grenadier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_uniform
Posted by: guest90
« on: December 25, 2022, 01:06:09 pm »

Quote from: HikariDude on December 24, 2022, 07:08:43 am
I'm thinking there wouldn't be a club without a dress code. I was thinking dress that is low in sexual dimorphism, monotone and specific in color, or simple in embellishments and accessories.

To be fair, I don't know any specific ideas. What would you suggest?

Counter culture era dress





Posted by: HikariDude
« on: December 24, 2022, 07:08:43 am »

I'm thinking there wouldn't be a club without a dress code. I was thinking dress that is low in sexual dimorphism, monotone and specific in color, or simple in embellishments and accessories.

To be fair, I don't know any specific ideas. What would you suggest?
Posted by: HikariDude
« on: December 23, 2022, 07:16:40 pm »

Hello I've been looking at Aryanism for a few years and I've been interested in your ideology since. Especially in regards to aesthetics. Thanks to your influence on me, I've developed a taste for aesthetics such as appearance, infrastructure, arts, etc.

One kind of aesthetic I'm confused about is clothing. You talked about Western dress codes being inferior, including its influence on the Zhongshan tunic, due to its inclusion of collars and buttons. Here's a link:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg13140/#msg13140

That led me to think "What makes NS uniforms simpler?" NS uniforms had just as much complexities as the modern Zhongshan and French tunic. Maybe even more, such as neckties, pockets, and more.

Is uniformity part of what makes the NS uniforms different from traditional Western dress? Is it the monotone theme that makes the NS uniforms different? Or maybe the setting of pre-NS era Germany was different from pre-Republic China whereas Germany was more corrupt before NS and China was less corrupt before Republic era.

What do you think? I don't have to hear from 90sRF since I want them to work on updating the Aryanism blog more often, so maybe I can hear from another loyal follower, like NSFAN or RP or Zea_Mays. Their opinions also mean a lot to me.
Posted by: guest5
« on: April 25, 2021, 06:50:07 pm »

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how can you gain massive support from people

Because you are a Westerner you believe in power in numbers. That is how your democratic Western mind works. Did Jesus worry about gaining massive support from people? What about Mohammed? Yet, there words and wisdom ring true today just as they did 2,000 years ago, do they not? You make the mistake of thinking we are seeking massive support. We came to tell the truth first-and-foremost, if the rest of humanity cannot accept it then it is not our problem. We did our duty. You have yet to do yours, as does the rest of humanity....

As the member RP stated in another thread, "you can lead a non-Aryan to water but you can't stop them from shitting in it".

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Unproper and unprofessional...

So, farmers, gardeners, and other laborers, the people that ACTUALLY keep civilization functioning, should all be wearing a suit and tie to work in your worldview, correct? How "unprofessional" of them not to!!! I own my own small business, but in your worldview I'm still unprofessional because I refuse to wear Western colonial attire? You are a slave and a colonized Western sycophant.

Speaking of sycophants, here's some more wisdom from Mohammed for you: "Always throw dust in a sycophants face!"

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/ignorance-and-indoctrination-of-westerners-kills-millions/

This is the only "professional" attire a military order such as Aryanism.net is concerned with:


Posted by: guest30
« on: April 25, 2021, 05:50:15 pm »

@NuminousSun

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What gave you the impression you're even welcome here still?

I introduce my political worldview to you which still have same enemies, but you constantly deny it and vilify me only because I have rational reason to support Russia, if you don't like and support people only because they have little bit difference on their worldview, many people around you have difference, how can you gain massive support from people? Of course it will be hard to find people whose view is all same like you

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I work in a T-shirt and shorts everyday....

Unproper and unprofessional...

This is how people use their clothes during work, watch and learn



Posted by: guest5
« on: April 25, 2021, 02:26:39 pm »

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"our forum and our fellow members"


What gave you the impression you're even welcome here still?

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"Those such clothes not worth for use during work"

I work in a T-shirt and shorts everyday....
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 25, 2021, 01:12:11 am »

"Hitler also use Western-style clothes"

Because he had to appeal to idiot Westerners in order to gain power:

"It was with great reluctance that I had definitely to give up wearing leather shorts. It was too much of a complication for me to have to change my clothes several times a day, like a mannequin, to adapt myself to the psychology of my visitors. In such dress, I couldn't have been taken seriously by Germans from north of Coburg. Throughout my youth, even in winter, I never wore anything else." - Adolf Hitler

"Having to change into long trousers was always a misery to me. Even with a temperature of ten below zero I used to go about in leather shorts. The feeling of freedom they give you is wonderful. Abandoning my shorts was one of the biggest sacrifices I had to make. I only did it for the sake of North Germany" - Adolf Hitler

"our forum and our fellow members"

You are not one of us (which is why you are only allowed to post in the Questions & Debates forum).
Posted by: guest30
« on: April 25, 2021, 12:57:27 am »

@90sRetroFan


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Thank you for admitting that you are a Westerner. Here is a photo of Richard Spencer in your colonial masters' clothes as a present for you:



Hitler also use Western-style clothes, salute to him...

His clothes same like this clothes model:





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Tracksuits are perfectly practical for working in.

Tell that to all people who are work as upper class or middle class, they will be laugh and ridicule you, please don't be inferior at using clothes, you just humiliate our forum and our fellow members when you invite them to real political forum








Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 25, 2021, 12:12:05 am »

Thank you for admitting that you are a Westerner. Here is a photo of Richard Spencer in your colonial masters' clothes as a present for you:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/LNXkvqSvb3vJzMkicUWF4cueAr0=/484x83:1711x913/1220x813/filters:focal(848x89:1154x395):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/67680449/whitenoisecover.0.jpg

Let's look at this picture that you posted:

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Notice how similarly the woman on the right and the man in the centre are dressed. This is sartorial low sexual dimorphism. This is superiority.

Sure, it could be neater, and by the 70s it had already become neater while retaining the reduced sexual dimorphism:







(Note in particular the bell bottoms, which are designed to give the impression of ectomorphy. In contrast, the reinforced shoulder and lapel of Western men's suit jackets are designed to give the impression of mesomorphy.)

And the 80s-90s saw the rise of tracksuits, which continued to retain low sexual dimorphism while further trimming away Western geometric elements:





"Those such clothes not worth for use during work"

Tracksuits are perfectly practical for working in.

(Finally, in the original topic I had already ridiculed neckties, but thank you for providing additional pictures to support my thesis.)