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Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 29, 2026, 03:11:25 am »

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9oMG7gcBMec

Woke comments:

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面 noodle or face



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Taiwan was right to keep the original 🇹🇼

Keep looking at the above picture until you are convinced.

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The simplified characters are not made up but derived from ancient writings and has a more direct historical connection with Cantonese than Mandarin.

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This is also me with Japanese, a lot of Kanji retains the more Traditional Aspects of Chinese Characters (although Japan did went over its own simplification) I don’t like Simplified Chinese because there’s a lot of characters I’m like ??? For example 发、郁、叶、头、听 etc while their traditional in Japanese and Cantonese is 発/發、鬱、葉、頭 and 聴
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Japanese also uses a lot of “Cantonese Logic” for Characters for example 有 is to have or exist (Japanese uses the same 有る) and while they use a different character 無 for 冇 I find the logic really similar and I was actually surprised this isn’t a character in Japanese because both mean to not have or not exist, Mandarin doesn’t make that distinction I think and just uses 没有
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 11, 2026, 04:43:23 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6utKPtf7fuw

Turanist comment:

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Mandarin which become all China language and the world are also learning it.
Just like the new Chinese characters which are simplified and easy to write rather than the old one.
Cantonese are spoken by south east Chinese but it can't be a national because foreigners are making fun of Cantonese language. Maybe this guy doesn't know it.
But when foreigners hear Chinese talking in Mandarin most want to learn to speak it too.

Woke comments:

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The irony is that Cantonese is far closer to what was spoken by Chinese of the Central Plains during the Tang Dynasty. Not Mandarin or Putonghua.

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It seems to me that simplified characters serve the same purpose as Orwell's Newspeak in 1984: no one will be able to read anything written before the Revoilution.

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That's why here in the Philippines, Filipino-Chinese Elders have disdainful attitude towards usage of Mandarin and Simplified Chinese Script

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My family is from Suriname and the Chinese immigrants that came in the late 1800s and early 1900s all speak Cantonese. They have developed well within a shared Surinamese identity while keeping their original culture. The new Chinese immigrants all speak Mandarin and have not had a chance to integrate yet. You can definitely tell them apart!

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When I went back to Shanghai this year totally unrecognisable. Most speak Mandarin. I thought at least some of the smaller mom/pop store and resturants would be Shanghainese... but NOPE. Mostly Mandarin.

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What used to be Cantonese in Chinatown is now Mandarin busineses replacing cha chan tang and hk bbq with hot pot and szechuan restaurants. Even Chinatown evolves while I still reminisce about the 4 Gods of cantopop and old TVB shows my grandma recorded on VHS.

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gosh I just love 80s and 90s Cantonese music so much! Growing up in Guangdong in the 90s before the return I remember Cantonese was seen as the cool kids' dialect. All the cool new movies and songs came out in Canto first.

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80s and 90s Cantopop was my childhood! My parents loved it, bought so many CDs and played it all the time while they were working. But as I grew up, they did that less and less, a loss which I felt acutely 😢

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Canto needs another HK like golden age of the 80s-early 2000s.  I just don't see any other way.

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The Hong Kong pop music scene from the 1980s-1990s were the best with great artists like Leon Lai, Aaron Kwok, Leslie Cheung, etc. But things that made HK great have fallen drastically since the 2000s and even worst nowadays in 2026.

Bonus duet (dual dialect lyrics):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTsEst0udMI
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 26, 2025, 10:00:16 pm »

Hokkien too:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DUxFvP9TYcw

Woke comment:

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Mandarin is heavily influenced by the Mongolian invasion during the Yuan Dynasty and Manchurian invasion during the Qing Dynasty, the third last and last dynasties of Chinese history, so Mandarin is actually a late comer linguistically speaking.

And the inevitable Turanist response:

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In terms of phonological evolution, Mandarin has been much more innovative and has changed a lot more than Southern dialects, making them further from the old pronunciations and hence Japanese pronunciations (e.g. palitalisation, 今 k > j).

 ::)
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: March 20, 2025, 02:24:14 am »

Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/yandi-vs-huangdi-myth-confirmed/msg17310/#msg17310

Another comparison (skip directly to 3:18 to avoid the preamble):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fhtw1w_Reo

Posted by: rp
« on: October 20, 2024, 12:14:29 pm »

"Prometheus (who presents as considering cruelty to animals a bad thing) worsens the confusion by adding the claim that pastoralists are better for animals than agrarians are (which is why I don't believe he actually cares about animals)."
This is actually a common talking point, believe it or not. I have seen many Western ranchers claim the same, i.e. that they "take care" of their livestock and "give them a good life", etc.
Posted by: rp
« on: October 18, 2024, 09:31:07 pm »

"Manju Baturp (who considers cruelty to animals a good thing) is just doing his usual routine of trying to encourage "New Chinese" to be proud of their worst traits.

Prometheus (who presents as considering cruelty to animals a bad thing) worsens the confusion by adding the claim that pastoralists are better for animals than agrarians are (which is why I don't believe he actually cares about animals).

Ice Age Autist (who also considers cruelty to animals a good thing) at least helps undo the confusion added by Prometheus."

Prometheus is an "Aryan" larper (similar to Bronze Age Pervert) i.e. a Turanist, but who pretends to care about animals, and probably quotes Schopenhauer, which is what the original tweet calls him out for , along with Li Shuo, by referencing actual Schopenhauer quotes showing how Chinese did care for animals, contrary to what Shuo and Prometheus claim (which Shuo and Prometheus both agree on (i.e. that Chinese do not care for animals), only disagreeing on the why this is the case (Prometheus argues Aryan blood, Shuo probably argues Turanian blood). The original tweeter however does not refute Prometheus's claim on agrarianism vs pastoralism, which is why I posted IceAgeAutist's tweet that corrects him.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 18, 2024, 09:23:13 pm »

Manju Baturp (who considers cruelty to animals a good thing) is just doing his usual routine of trying to encourage "New Chinese" to be proud of their worst traits.

Prometheus (who presents as considering cruelty to animals a bad thing) worsens the confusion by adding the claim that pastoralists are better for animals than agrarians are (which is why I don't believe he actually cares about animals).

Ice Age Autist (who also considers cruelty to animals a good thing) at least helps undo the confusion added by Prometheus.

It should be noted Jurchens are northern themselves, albeit from the part of the north with at least some arable land as mentioned in the first post of this topic. Culturally they are a hodgepodge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurchen_people

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Jurchen (Manchu: ᠵᡠᡧᡝᠨ Jušen, IPA: [dʒuʃən]; Chinese: 女真, Nǚzhēn [nỳ.ʈʂə́n]) is a term used to collectively describe a number of East Asian Tungusic-speaking people.[a] They lived in northeastern China, also known as Manchuria, before the 18th century. The Jurchens were renamed Manchus in 1635 by Hong Taiji.[6] Different Jurchen groups lived as hunter-gatherers, pastoralist semi-nomads, or sedentary agriculturists.

As usual, the bad attitudes mostly predominated:

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Like the Khitan people and Mongols, they took pride in feats of strength, horsemanship, archery, and hunting.
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The Qing stationed the "New Manchu" Warka foragers in Ningguta and attempted to turn them into normal agricultural farmers but then the Warka just reverted to hunter gathering and requested money to buy cattle for beef broth. The Qing wanted the Warka to become soldier-farmers and imposed this on them, but the Warka simply left their garrison at Ningguta and went back to the Sungari to their homes to herd, fish and hunt. The Qing accused them of desertion.[117]

The Qing at least had some good intentions. The same cannot be said of Manju Baturo.
Posted by: rp
« on: October 18, 2024, 11:15:06 am »

https://x.com/Rjrasva/status/1782707743272394914?t=RZMwJ2IFnmRnFda2xAO0pQ&s=19
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Manchu larper (Li Shuo is most likely a peasant from Shandong whose ancestors migrated to Manchuria in late 19th cent)  & "Aryan" larper both bringing hilarity. Schopenhauer on situation of animals in his day in Europe
& until early 20th cent Chinese had

https://x.com/CaribbeanRythms/status/1782404039231131683?t=Un1t-bdiGaZQP_RlkuNBkg&s=19
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Chinese lack of empathy is attributed to their agrarian upbringing, contrasting with superior pastoral cultures where animals were essential for survival and required care to produce quality milk and meat.

Your natural diet is rice and grain not meat.


https://x.com/Rjrasva/status/1782708824866000904?t=rY57QauqQjAGZez1GnyQzw&s=19
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a strong taboo against beef (including male buffaloes), especially in southern China. To quote Mao on this
books.google.com/books?id=RW4YD…
This is because oxen helped the Chinese peasant plough & came to be seen as family. The 2 groups most strongly associated with beef in 19th cent Qing
I disagree with the negative use of the word "peasant" but agree with the other points. To give some context, he is referring to a quoted tweet inside his quoted tweet from "New Chinese" progressive (and noted enemy on this forum) Manju Barturo (real name Li Shuo) where he is exalting animal cruelty.

Good replies to the quoted tweet from CarribeanRhythms:
https://x.com/Airmanareiks/status/1782734055403917682?t=WRJ2DTV_C_F6fTbdd5IYsA&s=19
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We used to parade mass killing of animals in medieval hunting festivals, trying to claim as many heads as possible
Also, higher testosterone correlates with LESS empathy. So Pastoralists much have enjoyed dominating animals & increasing their suffering to drag out their products
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 24, 2024, 01:42:39 am »

https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/s03g3y/east_asian_culture_is_the_least_patriarchal_and/

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Edit: this is applicable to the main population centers of east Asia.
The more north you go, the more nomadic and less this applies. The more
south you go, the more agrarian, developed and where "overt masculinity"
is less encouraged. The propaganda against asian men is based on the
more "southern" stereotype of east asians. Masculinity is very much
still promoted in places like Mongolia, vs. a place like Thailand, for
example.

Of course!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-sexism/
Posted by: rp
« on: August 12, 2024, 12:21:35 am »

https://x.com/Rjrasva/status/1816640720368713814?t=5zdc9NrjMa2nkLQu2M5org&s=19
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https://x.com/ulmuka_/status/1815317451187310847?t=FT8tniLQy42DjMAhI40Avg&s=19…
These Han cattle protection associations existed well into 20th cent, as the Mohammedans were decimated while putting down their jihads their focus shifted to targeting the townsmen who dared eat beef
Mao wrote about this phenomenon
books.google.com/books?id=RW4YD…

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Qing China also has Gau-rakshak groups, these groups quickly became a parallel govt overtime, settling disputes and engaging in all kinds of wanton behaviour
Leaders moved about with Entourages better than local Qing bureaucrats,who feared dealing with them


Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: June 06, 2024, 01:45:22 am »

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/16ao5rt/obesity_rates_in_china_by_province_men_above/

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Can confirm, don't know why. People in the north tend to be bulkier and put on more weight.

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Maybe it's because of Mongol blood in them?

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The amount of meat people eat goes up as you go north. In the Guangdong, when you eat at home meat is almost like a condiment. Then when you go up to Shanghai, you get pieces of meat in sweet sauce, then you go up to Beijing and eating kebabs is a huge thing, PLUS they have a big drinking culture, then you go up to Harbin, and it's super cold and there's a big Russian influence, so the food (while fantastic!) can be very heavy.

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Today, you could eat heavy food in the south thanks to air conditioning, but south China has been settled for thousands of years, thus the cuisine adapted to the thousands of years without air conditioning in the hot, humid climate, thus light foods, which is still often the case in rural China.

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For most of human history, the only way you were eating meat on a DAILY basis, was you were physically hunting down wild animals. Either that, or Mongol-style nomads, relying mostly on meat but you herded enough cattle to feed yourself regularly. For the average subsistence farmer, meat was an occasional thing. Fish and seafood if you were close to an ocean or big river, but you simply didn't have enough animals to eat meat everyday.

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Northern Chinese here.

As said before somewhere here:

Genetics definitely play a role. Southerners can be skinny on a different level to us. We call their look "bones covered by skin"... Somehow they often don't have much meat. Genetically they are closer to Vietnamese often than to us.
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My particular culture from northern china is ... I'd say is bit like Russia. Very machismo, very loud and brash. Not very delicate. I guess the Mongols influenced us all.

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North-west are Turkic ethnicity and I know from Turkish ppl they love "round women"

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Nobody in South China wants a fat girl, I know from having lived there.

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Yes, in Guangdong 50 kilos is fat!

Another map I found:

Posted by: rp
« on: December 04, 2023, 08:59:15 pm »

"I agree. Just don't use the above meme to do it! (Even more absurdly, the supposedly "rugged" skull is drawn to be less robust than the supposedly "delicate".....)"
Yeah, I disagreed with the Jack Ma reference but brushed it aside due to the other good points in the meme. However, I realize now that the drawings themselves are inaccurate.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 04, 2023, 06:56:36 pm »

Does this look "delicate" to you?



And Ma is hardly "introverted" either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma

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He became interested in English as a young boy and began practicing with English speakers in the Hangzhou International Hotel.
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For nine years, Ma rode 27 km (17 miles) on his bicycle every day to work as a tour guide of Hangzhou for foreigners in order to practice his English. He became pen pals with one of those foreigners, who nicknamed him "Jack" because he found it hard to pronounce his Chinese name.[17]
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In 1980, while he was riding his bike to practice English with tourists, he met Ken Morley, who was traveling with his family with the Australia-China Friendship Society.[18] Ken's son, David, became pen pals with Ma and kept in touch after the family left China. Years later, the Morleys hosted Ma in Australia, changing the course of his life completely.

"Promoting southern Chinese (and even Vietnamese) culture would also be a good way to improve Sino-Indian relations."

I agree. Just don't use the above meme to do it! (Even more absurdly, the supposedly "rugged" skull is drawn to be less robust than the supposedly "delicate".....)

Your old example (Ip Man vs Jin Shanzhao from the Ip Man movie) was better:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/chinese-question/msg12863/#msg12863

Yen in real-life is from Guangdong, whereas Fan in real-life is from Shandong.

Heck, let's look at the real-life Ip (also from Guangdong):





This is what we want people visualizing as the archetypical Yue skeleton.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-bones/
Posted by: rp
« on: December 04, 2023, 06:04:55 pm »



Promoting southern Chinese (and even Vietnamese) culture would also be a good way to improve Sino-Indian relations. For example, the prominence of Buddhism in Vietnam shows an alternative to the atheistic, materialistic, aggressiveness of the CCP mainland culture. I have even heard some Indians, who speak negatively of Chinese mainlanders, will speak positively about Vietnamese.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 11, 2023, 09:39:51 pm »

I sincerely hope it is because of the former, which would mean recovery is possible (though it has not happened yet: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg16303/#msg16303 ). But even in the hypothetical event of recovery, I still predict northern musical inferiority. South Korea has never gone through communist suppression and Kpop is still the worst music in the world.