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Posted by: christianbethel
« on: June 24, 2023, 04:43:22 pm »

What about the Julian calendar?
Posted by: guest63
« on: January 15, 2023, 03:05:12 am »

I remember in old American texts (up until President Lincoln's assassination) that listed the year of Independence of America from Great Britain.

This included that of the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, and the Emancipation Proclamation.

Maybe we should bring that back instead of using the Gregorian calendar.

The French revolutionaries had theirs as well, which was even more expanded on than ours.
Posted by: AmonReinhardt
« on: January 08, 2023, 01:14:02 am »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Hijri_calendar

"The Solar Hijri calendar is a solar calendar and one of the various ancient Iranian calendars. It begins on the March equinox as determined by astronomical calculation for the Iran Standard Time meridian and has years of 365 or 366 days. It is the modern principal calendar of both Iran and Afghanistan, and is sometimes also called the Shamsi calendar, and abbreviated as SH, HS or, by analogy with AH, AHSh."

"The Ancient Iran Solar calendar is one of the oldest calendars in the world, as well as the most accurate solar calendar in use today. Since the calendar uses astronomical calculation for determining the vernal equinox, it has no intrinsic error."

"Each of the twelve months corresponds with a zodiac sign; their names are the same as ancient Zoroastrian names from the Zoroastrian calendar – in Afghanistan on the other hand, the names of the zodiacal signs are used instead."
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: January 07, 2023, 11:48:27 pm »

'it was the Catholic church who normalized starting the New Year in January"

You are correct. The colonial era facilitated the spread of the Gregorian calendar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_of_the_Gregorian_calendar

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The European colonies of the Americas adopted the change when their mother countries did. New France and New Spain had adopted the new calendar in 1582. The Gregorian calendar was applied in the British colonies in Canada and the future United States east of the Appalachian Mountains in 1752.
...
The Ottoman Empire's Rumi calendar, used for fiscal purposes, was realigned from a Julian to a Gregorian starting on 16 February / 1 March 1917.
...
Japan, Korea, and China started using the Gregorian calendar on 1 January 1873, 1 January 1896, and 1 January 1912, respectively.[25][26]
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The Gregorian calendar replaced the Burmese calendar in several mainland Southeast Asian kingdoms in the second half of the 19th century. This took place in Cambodia in 1863 and Laos in 1889.[45] In 1889, Siam also switched to the Gregorian calendar as the official civil calendar, with the Rattanakosin Era (with 1782 as Year 1).[46] The Thai lunar calendar remains in use for religious purposes. Since the British conquest of the Konbaung dynasty in 1886, the Gregorian calendar has been used alongside the Burmese calendar in Myanmar.
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Today, the vast majority of countries use the Gregorian calendar as their sole civil calendar. The four countries which have not adopted the Gregorian calendar are Ethiopia (Ethiopian calendar),[49] Nepal (Vikram Samvat and Nepal Sambat), Iran and Afghanistan (Solar Hijri calendar).[50]

"Can the modern day standard calendar technically be considered a western invention?"

Yes. It is part of the Renaissance. In addition to his calendar, Gregory was a promoter of the wider Renaissance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_XIII

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Gregory XIII was a generous patron of the Jesuit colleges in Rome.[2] The Roman College of the Jesuits grew substantially under his patronage, and became the most important centre of learning in Europe for a time. It is now named the Pontifical Gregorian University. Pope Gregory XIII also founded numerous seminaries for training priests, beginning with the German College at Rome, and put them in the charge of the Jesuits.

In 1575 he gave official status to the Congregation of the Oratory, a community of priests without vows, dedicated to prayer and preaching (founded by Saint Philip Neri). In 1580 he commissioned artists, including Ignazio Danti, to complete works to decorate the Vatican and commissioned The Gallery of Maps.

Gregory also transformed the Dominican studium founded in the 13th century at Rome into the College of St. Thomas in 1580, as recommended by the Council of Trent. This college was the precursor of the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Angelicum.

as well as a despicable person in general:

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He appointed his illegitimate son Giacomo,[a] born to his mistress at Bologna before his papacy, castellan of Sant'Angelo and Gonfalonier of the Church; Venice, anxious to please the Pope, enrolled his son among its nobles, and Philip II of Spain appointed him general in his army. Gregory also helped his son to become a powerful feudatary through the acquisition of the Duchy of Sora, on the border between the Papal States and the Kingdom of Naples.

"should we also return to a non-western style of calendar where the new year begins in Spring?"

Yes, although this requires the state to make it official, so it is more something to remember to do in the future rather than something we can do now.

We have Islamic Hijriya Calendar

North Korea have calendar which it's calculation based on Kim Il Sung's birth date
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: January 06, 2023, 10:51:54 pm »

I was actually kind of thinking about this when I was reading about Chinese New Year a few days ago. Apparently their New Year is called the Spring Festival because even though their new year still starts pretty close to ours (anywhere from late January to early February), they consider the beginning of the year to be right when the coldest of winter has passed and the earth starts slowly warming again. And I like that idea of what the beginning of the year is, more than just "Uuuuuh **** it. January 1st because of the name of some Roman god."

The one thing I hate about calendars though, is that it's such a pain in the ass to switch over once one has become standard. Especially when that standard is almost globally enforced, as is the case with the Gregorian calendar. Every date of practically every historical event that I'm aware of has been filed away in my mind under the framework of the Gregorian calendar, and a lot of other aspects of society are tied to our current calendar as well
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: January 06, 2023, 08:50:29 pm »

'it was the Catholic church who normalized starting the New Year in January"

You are correct. The colonial era facilitated the spread of the Gregorian calendar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_of_the_Gregorian_calendar

Quote
The European colonies of the Americas adopted the change when their mother countries did. New France and New Spain had adopted the new calendar in 1582. The Gregorian calendar was applied in the British colonies in Canada and the future United States east of the Appalachian Mountains in 1752.
...
The Ottoman Empire's Rumi calendar, used for fiscal purposes, was realigned from a Julian to a Gregorian starting on 16 February / 1 March 1917.
...
Japan, Korea, and China started using the Gregorian calendar on 1 January 1873, 1 January 1896, and 1 January 1912, respectively.[25][26]
...
The Gregorian calendar replaced the Burmese calendar in several mainland Southeast Asian kingdoms in the second half of the 19th century. This took place in Cambodia in 1863 and Laos in 1889.[45] In 1889, Siam also switched to the Gregorian calendar as the official civil calendar, with the Rattanakosin Era (with 1782 as Year 1).[46] The Thai lunar calendar remains in use for religious purposes. Since the British conquest of the Konbaung dynasty in 1886, the Gregorian calendar has been used alongside the Burmese calendar in Myanmar.
...
Today, the vast majority of countries use the Gregorian calendar as their sole civil calendar. The four countries which have not adopted the Gregorian calendar are Ethiopia (Ethiopian calendar),[49] Nepal (Vikram Samvat and Nepal Sambat), Iran and Afghanistan (Solar Hijri calendar).[50]

"Can the modern day standard calendar technically be considered a western invention?"

Yes. It is part of the Renaissance. In addition to his calendar, Gregory was a promoter of the wider Renaissance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_XIII

Quote
Gregory XIII was a generous patron of the Jesuit colleges in Rome.[2] The Roman College of the Jesuits grew substantially under his patronage, and became the most important centre of learning in Europe for a time. It is now named the Pontifical Gregorian University. Pope Gregory XIII also founded numerous seminaries for training priests, beginning with the German College at Rome, and put them in the charge of the Jesuits.

In 1575 he gave official status to the Congregation of the Oratory, a community of priests without vows, dedicated to prayer and preaching (founded by Saint Philip Neri). In 1580 he commissioned artists, including Ignazio Danti, to complete works to decorate the Vatican and commissioned The Gallery of Maps.

Gregory also transformed the Dominican studium founded in the 13th century at Rome into the College of St. Thomas in 1580, as recommended by the Council of Trent. This college was the precursor of the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas, Angelicum.

as well as a despicable person in general:

Quote
He appointed his illegitimate son Giacomo,[a] born to his mistress at Bologna before his papacy, castellan of Sant'Angelo and Gonfalonier of the Church; Venice, anxious to please the Pope, enrolled his son among its nobles, and Philip II of Spain appointed him general in his army. Gregory also helped his son to become a powerful feudatary through the acquisition of the Duchy of Sora, on the border between the Papal States and the Kingdom of Naples.

"should we also return to a non-western style of calendar where the new year begins in Spring?"

Yes, although this requires the state to make it official, so it is more something to remember to do in the future rather than something we can do now.
Posted by: AmonReinhardt
« on: January 06, 2023, 07:25:56 pm »

Well, as always, I failed my New Years Resolutions, as most do, but it got me thinking... Why do we start a new year right in the dead of winter time, a time of retreat & hibernation? I did some research and it seems that in the ancient world (and in many non-western cultures today), the 'New Year' always starts in spring. Some more research indicates that it was the Catholic church who normalized starting the New Year in January, and the names of months (sept = 7, oct = 8, nov = 9) were never changed accordingly.

Maybe most people fail their new years resolutions because January is simply just a dark, cold, ugly month and the energy just isn't right.

Can the modern day standard calendar technically be considered a western invention? Just as we aim to return to the ripuarian geographical worldview, focusing more on rivers than continents, should we also return to a non-western style of calendar where the new year begins in Spring?

I know this may seem like a pointless question to some, but maybe if I'm reassured that starting the new year in January has always been bullshit, I won't feel so bad about breaking my resolutions 😂

https://youtu.be/VFXCAy-BO3k