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Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: July 13, 2025, 11:36:05 pm »

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To calm any fears that capitalists might have in regard to the term socialism though, Reupke deceivingly stressed that "socialization, collectivized economy and a centrally directed planned economy are expressly rejected [in the party pro- gram]" (29). Instead, he noted, National Socialist ideology demanded "that private property and private initiative, that economies all together should not be directed solely toward person advantage, but rather always with the benefit of the commonweal in mind" (29). Yet while official Nazi rhetoric conceded the right to private property, the alleged rejection of physical nationalization was disingenuous, because, as Reupke explained, "nationalization, if we can call it such, is not brought about in a corporeal manner, rather it is shifted into the domain of the mind" (32). He further explained that this would be brought about by "suppression of personal pursuit of profit and cleansing the economy of 'financial ethics' (30).[1]

Johannes "Hans" Karl Eduard Reupke (* July 23, 1892 in Saargemünd; † November 20, 1942 in Dijon) was a German lawyer, businessman, and publicist.[2]

Source :

1. Antisemitic Elements in the Critique of Capitalism in German Culture, 1850-1933 by Matthew Lange Page 294

https://books.google.co.id/books?redir_esc=y&id=jMQpHAMEF1EC&q=Zentrale+Planung#v=snippet&q=private%20initiative&f=false

2. Seite „Hans Reupke“. In: Wikipedia – Die freie Enzyklopädie. Bearbeitungsstand: 27. Januar 2025, 23:18 UTC. URL: https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hans_Reupke&oldid=252753749 (Abgerufen: 14. Juli 2025, 04:00 UTC)

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Both public works and rearmament required massive deficit financing, in effect the printing of money to pay workers and stimulate demand. Although fundamentally ‘socialist’ in outlook and politics when it came to the economy, however, Hitler did not nationalize industry. In fact there were large-scale privatizations during the first five years or so of his regime, not for ideological reasons, but to raise cash quickly by flogging off distressed enterprises.80 What Hitler did very effectively was to nationalize German industrialists, by making them instruments of his political will. Control, not ownership was the key. The major German economic institutions, especially industry, business and the banks, were completely sidelined from decisionmaking. 81 Unlike the Reichswehr, they were not let into any secrets about Lebensraum, at least at the beginning. They were simply told what to do, and if they jibbed were threatened with imprisonment, expropriation or irrelevance.

Source :

Hitler : A Global Biography by Brendan Simms Page 254
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: July 02, 2025, 02:24:19 am »

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The Nazis were also hostile towards foreign bankers and industrialists, along with much of the capitalist world. The Nazis expressed a deep-seated resentment of the role of foreign capital in wielding excessive economic power in the German economy during the 1920s and early 1930s. Nazi Party bigwig Bernhard Koehler declared in 1935 that “there is no place left in Germany for foreign capital.”[1] On other occasions, the Nazis criticized acquisitions of German companies by American and other Western firms. One auditor for the Hamburg Foreign Exchange Control Office noted in September 1936 that the German company, the Arnold Bernstein Shipping Company handed his business over to American creditors, thus exhibiting “the essence of American capitalism.”[2] SS leader Karl Mockel noted in the spring of 1941 that the British-owned company Apollinaris Springs was “an exploitative object of capitalism of the English variety.” The SS unsuccessfully tried to confiscate this company.[3]

Source :

1. “Nazis Bar Foreign Funds” New York Times March 8, 1935 Page 13

2. "Aryanisation" in Hamburg: The Economic Exclusion of Jews and the Confiscation of Their Property in Nazi Germany by Frank Bajohr Page 165

https://books.google.co.id/books?redir_esc=y&hl=id&id=hc9YBnnjyo4C&q=the+essence+of+American+capitalism#v=snippet&q=the%20essence%20of%20American%20capitalism&f=false

3. Allen, Michael Thad. Business of Genocide (University of North Carolina Press 2005) Page 95

https://archive.org/details/businessofgenoci00alle/page/94/mode/2up?q=an+exploitative+object+of+capitalism+of+the+English+variety

4. The Nazi War against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 124

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In March 1940 the confessional press in Germany was ordered by the Nazis to dwell on the theme of plutocracy: “Taking as a point of departure the words of Jesus: ‘You cannot simultaneously serve God and Mammon…’ it should not be difficult to find a transition from the condemnations of Mammon by Christ to the subject of ‘Plutocracy.’” The Saint Konradsblatt of the Archdiocese of Freiburg noted that “This international plutocracy today, through the war started by it, has been called into court.” The Passauer Bistunsblatt declared that the war was “against the English plutocracy.” The archdiocese newspaper of Freiburg also hailed the German soldiers’ victories and the struggle against “that old bastion of ruthless capitalism-England.”

Source :

1. The Catholic Church and Nazi Germany by Lewy, Guenter, 1923 Page 144-145

https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780297169215/page/144/mode/2up?q=This+international+plutocracy+today

2. The Nazi War against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 128
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: July 01, 2025, 11:37:30 pm »

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Von Mises also reported that shareholder dividends in Nazi Germany were also restricted:

“German corporations are not free to distribute their profits to the shareholders. The amount of the dividends is strictly limited according to a highly complicated legal technique. It has been asserted that this does not constitute a serious check, as the corporations are free to water the stock. This is an error. They are free to increase their nominal stock only out of profits made and declared and taxed as such in previous years but not distributed to the shareholders. As all private consumption is strictly limited and controlled by the government, and as all unconsumed income must be invested, which means virtually lent to the government, high profits are nothing but a subtle method of taxation. The consumer has to pay high prices and business is nominally profitable. But the greater the profits are, the more the government funds are swelled. The government gets the money either as taxes or as loans. And everybody must be aware that these loans will one day be repudiated. For many years German business has not been in a position to replace its equipment.”

Source :

1. The Nazi War against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 92 and 93

2. Omnipotent Government by Ludwig Von Mises Page 225 and 226

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.6798/page/n235/mode/2up?q=high+profits+are+nothing+but+a+subtle+method+of+taxation
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: July 01, 2025, 10:53:04 pm »

Hitler's agricultural economic policies when Ukraine was occupied by Hitler's Army

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Contrary to expectations, the collective farms have not been abolished, but their managers have been replaced with German commissars or former Ukrainian émigrés. In practice, however, many collectives have ceased to function because of the lack of essential machinery and of able-bodied men. Requisitioning of a large part of the current harvest was announced by the Deutsche Ukraine Zeitung late last August. All collectives and individual farms were obliged to deliver to the authorities fixed quantities of grain, the amount being determined by locality, size of farm and other factors. It was announced that stern punishment would be meted out, individually and collectively, to persons, farms and even whole villages that failed to fill their quotas.

Source :

Hitler’s Fiasco in the Ukraine By Joachim Joesten January 1943

https://archive.md/Vy1tx#selection-2019.113-2023.364
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: June 30, 2025, 08:05:48 pm »

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A Hitler Youth leader described the bourgeoisie as cowards and weaklings who cared about themselves and their self-preservation: “He shrieks after security, his capacity for war is not a will to attack but is exhausted in his will to defense.”[1]

A November 1936 issue of the Volkischer Beobachter noted that the Speisser neglected their contributions to the welfare program known as the Winter Relief (Winterhilfe).[2] Cadres from the Winter Relief facilitated short skits which ridiculed “petit-bourgeois Spiesser” and the “philistines” who clung to their pocketbooks as they walked past the collection teams.[3]

Source :

1. The Nazi War against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 70

2. Schoenbaum, David. Hitler’s Social Revolution (W. W. Norton & Company; Reissue edition 1997) Page 64-66

3. Christmas in Germany: A Cultural History by Joe Perry Page 206

https://books.google.co.id/books?redir_esc=y&hl=id&id=HQiFgiRrLQwC&q=petit-bourgeois#v=snippet&q=petit-bourgeois&f=false

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Reich Security Service (RSHA) and SS official Reinhard Heydrich compiled file cards on enemies of the Nazis under such categories as: “Jews,” “Freemasons,” “Bourgeois Conservatives,” “Political Catholics,” “Communists,” “Social Democratic leaders,” and “Nobility Hostile to National Socialism.”

Source :

1. The Nazi War against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 73

2. The Master Plan : Himmler's Scholars and the Holocaust by Pringle, Heather Anne Page 101

https://archive.org/details/masterplanhimmle0000prin_b0v9/page/100/mode/2up
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: June 30, 2025, 07:19:14 pm »

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Hitler noted to the leftwing Nazi leader Otto Strasser that “A strong state will see that production is carried on in the national interests and if these interests are contravened, can proceed to expropriate the enterprise concerned and take over its administration.”

Source :

1. Fascists by Mann, Michael Page 183

https://archive.org/details/fascists0000mann/page/182/mode/2up?q=A+strong+state+will+see+that+production+is+carried+on+in+the+national+interests

2. The Nazi War against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 18

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A former DNVP speaker broke with conservatism over its plutocratic tendencies and disregard for the common people of Germany: “I saw more and more clearly that the German Nationalist party held to the unalterable conviction that the common man in service or industry had no right whatsoever to freedom, recreation, entertainment or the higher pleasures. I felt that this anti-social spirit would prove fatal to the DNVP… His (Hitler’s) idea was not to use the resources of the state to help industrialists and land owners, but to take advantage of them immediately to relieve the misery of millions of unemployed Germans.”

Source :

1. The Nazi War against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 31

2. Why Hitler Came Into Power by Abel, Theodore Fred Page 129

https://archive.org/details/whyhitlercameint0000abel/page/128/mode/2up?q=take+advantage+of+them+immediately

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In April 1928, Goebbels wrote (which was reprinted in 1935) the essay Why Do We Want to Join the Reichstag? in an issue of Der Angriff. Goebbels noted that

“We are an anti-parliamentarian party that for good reasons rejects the Weimar constitution and its republican institutions…So why do we want to be in the Reichstag?

We enter the Reichstag to arm ourselves with democracy’s weapons. If democracy is foolish enough to give us free railway passes and salaries, that is its problem. It does not concern us. Any way of bringing about the revolution is fine by us.

If we succeed in getting sixty or seventy of our party’s agitators and organizers elected to the various parliaments, the state itself will pay for our fighting organization. That is amusing and entertaining enough to be worth trying. Will we be corrupted by joining parliament? Not likely. Do you believe that once we march into the meeting of the illustrious parliamentarians we will propose a toast to Philipp Scheidemann? Do you think us such miserable revolutionaries that you fear that the thick red carpets and the well upholstered sleeping halls will make us forget our historical mission?

He who enters parliament perishes! Well, that is true if he enters parliament to become a parliamentarian. But if he enters with a tough and driving will to carry on an uncompromising battle against the growing corruption of our public life, he will not become a parliamentarian, rather will remain what he is: a revolutionary…

Do not believe that parliament is our goal. We have shown the enemy our nature from the podiums of our mass meetings and in the enormous demonstrations of our brown army. We will show it as well in the leaden atmosphere of parliament. We are coming neither as friends or neutrals. We come as enemies! As the wolf attacks the sheep, so come we. You are not among your friends any longer! You will not enjoy having us among you!”[1]

In 1935, Goebbels reflected:

“When democracy granted democratic methods for us in the times of opposition, this was bound to happen in a democratic system. However, we National Socialists never asserted that we represented a democratic point of view, but we have declared openly that we used democratic methods only in order to gain the power and that, after assuming the power, we would deny to our adversaries without any consideration the means which were granted to us in the times of opposition.”[2][3]

Source :

1. Means Used by the Nazi Conspiractors in Gaining Control of the German State (Part 8 of 55) Nazi Conspiracy & Aggression Volume I Chapter VII

http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/docnac7.htm

2. Why Do We Want to Join the Reichstag? by Joseph Goebbels

https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/angrif06.htm

3. The Nazi War against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 32 and 33

Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: June 23, 2025, 11:07:17 pm »

Reply to Zea May's post on January 20, 2022, 08:59:16 pm

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Ok, so we use state power to achieve social justice. But what does that look like? I suppose for communists, that is (exclusively?) economic. The economic have-nots receive "justice" by taking a turn as the slave master over the land-owners and business-owners (which actually includes non-evil people and people who managed to build a successful business due to actual talent, as well as non-productive parasitic elites like financial speculators and talentless hacks who inherited great wealth). As Hitler recognized, that is not "real" socialism. That is not real social justice; that does not really improve the fabric of society.

Source :

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/national-socialism-is-revolutionary-not-reactionary/msg10717/#msg10717

There is no noble nature of a businessman/bourgeoisie. Because they gain profit from taking the value of labor wages, which value of labor wages comes from every product/service that has been made by them in their work activities. And in fact Hitler constantly spoke out against businessmen from all walks of life, from small businesses to large-scale businesses.

Recall :

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On 28 June 1930 Hitler wrote in the Illustrierte Beobachter that the bourgeois parties and their men ‘were capable of any nastiness’, that everything ‘the bourgeois parties put their hands on’ goes under. ‘Were Bolshevism not out to destroy the best racial élite, but only to clean out the bourgeois party vermin, one would almost be tempted to bless it.’ [1] [Page 228]

...

Many a bourgeois who condemns the worker’s striving for an improvement in his economic situation with an outrage that is as unwise as it is unjust would possibly suddenly think completely differently if for only three weeks he would have had laid on his shoulders the burden of the work demanded of the others. Even today there are still countless bourgeois elements who most indignantly reject a demand for a wage of ten marks a month, and especially any sharp support of this, as a ‘Marxist crime’, but display complete incomprehension when faced with a demand to also limit the excessive profits of certain individuals. - Adolf Hitler, 1 November 1930 [2][3][Page 206]

On 24 February 1940 Hitler declared that the bourgeois-capitalist world had already collapsed, its age already long outdated: This collapse must take place everywhere in some form or other and it will not fail to materialize anywhere.’ [6] The German nation could not, said Hitler, ‘live with the bourgeois social order at all’. [4] In a conversation with the Hungarian ‘Leader of the Nation’ Szálasi, Hitler declared on 4 December 1944 that the ‘bourgeois European world’ would break down ever further and all that was left was the alternative ‘that either a sensible social order were created on a national level, or that Bolshevism would take over’. [5] [Page 230]

Source :

1. IB (Illustrierter Beobachter), 5th year set, issue 26 of 28 June 1930, p. 405

2. IB (Illustrierter Beobachter), 5th year set, issue 44 of 1 November 1930, p. 765

3. Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Page 228, 206 and 230

https://ia801207.us.archive.org/13/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf

4. Bouhler I/II, p. 162, speech on 24 February 1940

5. Ibid., p. 164

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It is a matter of history that revolutions exert their greatest fanaticism the last enemy. Now the last obstacle that National Socialism had to overcome before the attainment of power came, not from Communism or from what was called the 'system,' but from that borgeoise group who had backed Papen and the Nationalist electoral bloc. The bourgeoisie was therefore the 'last' enemy.

Source :

To The Bitter End by Hans Bernd Gisevius Page 123

https://archive.org/details/tobitterend00gise_0/page/122/mode/2up?q=their+first+great+campaign+against+those+very+bourgeois+circles

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Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany’s bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food-stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism [1][2]

...

By 1943, industrialists complained that the Nazis were siphoning off 80 to 90 percent of business profits [3][4]

...

“If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.” [5][6]

Source :

1. TIME. (1939, January 2). Adolf Hitler: Man of the Year, 1938. Retrieved March 13, 2025, from TIME website: https://time.com/archive/6598257/adolf-hitler-man-of-the-year-1938/

2. Killing History: The False Left-Right Political Spectrum and the Battle between the 'Free Left' and the 'Statist Left’ by Mr. L.K. Samuels Page 150


3. Killing History: The False Left-Right Political Spectrum and the Battle between the 'Free Left' and the 'Statist Left’ by Mr. L.K. Samuels Page 149

4. Reisman, G. (2010, January 31). Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism is Totalitarian | George Reisman. Retrieved November 4, 2024, from YouTube website: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpXjm78Pjs

5. Killing History: The False Left-Right Political Spectrum and the Battle between the 'Free Left' and the 'Statist Left’ by Mr. L.K. Samuels Page 148

6. Hitler's Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State by Götz Aly Page 68

https://archive.org/details/hitlersbeneficia0000alyg/page/68/mode/2up?q=80+to+90+percent+of+business+profits


Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: June 14, 2025, 05:36:40 am »

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Why do we have the moral right to complain against proletarian class struggle if we do not first thoroughly destroy the bourgeois class state and replace it with a new socialist structure of German community.”

- Joseph Goebbels, Der Nazi-Sozi (Elberfeld: Verlag der Nationalsozialistischen Briefe, 1927)

Source :

Bytwerk, R. (2024). The Nazi-Sozi. Retrieved June 14, 2025, from Calvin.edu website: https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/nazi-sozi.htm

Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: May 31, 2025, 05:05:17 am »

Differences between National Socialist and Fascist Foreign Policy

The Axis were not natural allies - TIKhistory, 17 April 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcYPqqXcP4

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Minutes 04:53 to 10:49

Unlike Hitler, Mussolini had no real desire to conquer much of Europe. Of course, he did not want an alliance with Germany, which he viewed as an enemy.

Reference: Farrell, "Mussolini: A New Life," Chapter 12.

The Soviet Union's joining of the League of Nations also showed that the democratic West and the fascists (not the Nazis) were willing to include the communists. Thus, at this point, there was no reason to assume that Germany's enemies were divided.

Reference: Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," pp. 346-347.

That remained the case until Mussolini made a grave mistake.

References: Farrell, "Mussolini: A New Life," Chapter 12; Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," p. 10.

Because most of his country was agrarian and suffering during the Great Depression, Mussolini decided he needed a military victory to distract the Italian people.

"Considering that the League did little to stop Japan's undeclared war with China over Manchuria in September 1931, except to appoint a commission, Mussolini could be forgiven for assuming the League—dominated by Britain and France—would respond similarly to Ethiopia. After all, what he intended to do in Ethiopia had just recently been done by them in Morocco and Egypt."

Reference: Farrell, "Mussolini: A New Life," Chapter 12.

So, he invaded Ethiopia in October 1935.

References:

1. Farrell, "Mussolini: A New Life," Chapter 12.

2. Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," pp. 10, 179.

3. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," p. 357.

4. The National Archives, "Credibility and End of the League."

The rationale was quite clear. Britain and France had conquered much of Africa and the world, and Mussolini thought Italy could do the same. As others had argued during their conquests, he would civilize the barbarians, convert them to Christianity, and abolish slavery. The problem was that attitudes toward colonization had shifted in Britain and France. They already had empires and didn’t welcome newcomers doing the same. They now viewed their empires more as burdens than benefits. So, when Mussolini invaded, they disapproved. Ethiopia was also a member of the League of Nations, so Mussolini had violated its principles.

Reference: Farrell, "Mussolini: A New Life," Chapter 12.

An embargo was placed on Italy, although notably not an oil embargo—partly to avoid war, but also because Britain and France still hoped to use Italy against Germany.

References:

1. Farrell, "Mussolini: A New Life," Chapter 12.

2. The National Archives, "Credibility and End of the League."

There was also talk of, and even some maneuvering for, a possible war between Britain and Italy. Hitler reacted by sending arms to Ethiopia, once again showing that fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany were not yet allies. His reason was that he was seeking an alliance with democratic Britain at the time but also hoped to bog Mussolini down in a prolonged conflict, isolating him in the eyes of Britain and France. This would weaken Mussolini and possibly prevent him from defending Austria if Hitler moved to seize it again.

Reference: Farrell, "Mussolini: A New Life," Chapter 12.

The result was that Italy, Japan, and Germany became isolated from the rest of the world.

References:

1. Farrell, "Mussolini: A New Life," Chapter 12.

2. Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," p. 10.*

As the war in Ethiopia dragged on, Hitler took the calculated risk of re-militarizing the Rhineland on March 7, 1936. The League did nothing in response.

*References:

1. Captivating History, "History of Germany," Kindle, p. 163.

2. Farrell, "Mussolini: A New Life," Chapter 12.

3. Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," p. 179.

4. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," pp. 358-364.*

At this point, it is worth shifting focus to China. In 1934, Italy helped build an aircraft factory in Nanchang and supplied weapons and military advisors to China. Germany also sold arms to China in the mid-1930s because they wanted to prevent it from falling into the Soviet bloc. This shows that not only were they not aligned with each other, but Germany and Italy were also not allied with Japan.

Reference: Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," p. 171.

Yes, there was some racism toward the so-called "yellow race," but the Chinese were also considered part of this race, and both countries sided with them. So race was clearly not the reason for their lack of support for the Japanese.

Reference: Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," pp. 163-164.

More importantly, Hitler wanted as many allies as possible against the Soviet Union, and both Italy and Germany wanted to engage with China for trade reasons. Thus, their goals were not aligned.

Reference: Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," pp. 172, 184.

But one thing the Germans and Japanese had in common was a hatred of the Communist Soviet Union. On November 25, 1936, Germany and Japan signed the Anti-Comintern Pact.

References:

1. Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," pp. 12-13.

2. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," p. 369.*

Japan also recognized Italy's conquest of Ethiopia that same month.

Reference: Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," p. 172.

This marked the beginning of a shift toward one another, though they were still miles apart at this point.

Reference: Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," p. 186.

The Second Sino-Japanese War began on July 7, 1937, and at this point, the United States started taking a firmer stance against Japan. Roosevelt sent a delegation to Brussels to support the League’s condemnation of Japan and, on October 5, 1937, called for a “quarantine” of aggressor nations.

Reference: Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," p. 158.

However, while the U.S. sought to contain Japan, Britain pursued a policy of appeasement, weakening opposition to them.

Reference: Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," p. 161.

Germany continued to sell weapons to China even after the outbreak of the Second Sino-Japanese War, and Japan was angry about this. But Germany believed the Japanese invasion would lead to the spread of communism in China, as the Soviets supported the Chinese. As a result, Germany sent General Alexander von Falkenhausen to serve as chief military advisor to Chiang Kai-shek. This move actually limited Soviet and Italian influence there, again showing that the future Axis was not yet aligned.

Reference: Ishida, "Japan, Italy and the Road to the Tripartite Alliance," p. 159.

Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: May 30, 2025, 10:12:10 pm »

Why did People vote for Hitler? - TIKhistory, 17 December 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydx72tT552k

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Minute 18:21 – 28:50

During the recession, people looked for alternatives to the old liberal, capitalist, and conservative policies and parties. They no longer wanted laissez-faire policies—they wanted a strong state that could take control of the economy and resolve the crisis. So, they cast their votes for the party that offered the strongest and fastest solution to the economic depression. The people (as usual, unaware of basic economics) believed that the solution to bad socialist economic policies was dictatorship and even worse socialist economic policies.

As a result, some of them supported the Communist Party, but especially the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NSDAP). The Nazis achieved their most spectacular success in the September 1930 general election, when they gained an additional twelve seats in the Reichstag, bringing their total to 107. That was a 95-seat increase overnight from the previous election in 1928—before the Great Depression had begun. They overtook the Marxists of the KPD and became the second-largest party after the Social Democrats. This put them in a strong position to advance further in the next election.

As Evans explains, the Marxists in the KPD gained support from unemployed workers. However, the Nazis attracted votes from employed workers, including the self-employed. These people feared the Bolsheviks would take over and seize their hard-earned property.

"Where the traditions of the Social Democrats or Communists were strong, unions were powerful, and the labor movement culture was active and well-supported, the cohesive strength of socialist communities generally proved resistant to the appeal of Nazism. In other words, the Nazis reached parts of the working class that the traditional left-wing parties had failed to reach."

Reference: The Coming of the Third Reich, "The Crisis of Democracy"

The Nazis also drew support from white-collar workers, shopkeepers, small business owners, farmers, civil servants, women, and first-time voters. They even gained a share of professional and bourgeois votes. This has led historians to conclude that the Nazis had broad appeal—and indeed they did. But this broad appeal has also confused historians. If the Nazis were popular across all social classes, then what kind of party were they? Worse still, the Marxist explanation—that Hitler’s party was a bourgeois party—is unsatisfactory because middle-class votes were also split.

"Middle-class voters, still disgusted by Nazi violence and extremism, turned to breakaway right-wing groups… increasing their representation in the Reichstag from 20 to 55 seats, but a large number also flocked to the Nazi Party in September 1930…"

Reference: The Coming of the Third Reich, "The Crisis of Democracy"

Evans also shows that even as late as 1932, the Nazis had yet to receive significant support from large industrialists, who were disappointed with the vagueness of Hitler’s economic policies. In fact, contrary to popular belief, the Nazi Party was largely funded by its grassroots. Even during the Depression, people had to pay admission to hear Nazi speakers, and that’s where much of the money came from. This is why the KPD was largely unsuccessful—they appealed to the unemployed, and the unemployed had little money to offer the Marxist Party.

Reference: The Coming of the Third Reich, "The Crisis of Democracy"

(Marxists were broke, attracted the broke, and had bad economic policies. Clearly, there has to be a better explanation for the rise of the Nazis.)

"Hitler’s Germany is unique among all regimes in human history in at least one respect: serious historians agree in judging it as a catastrophe without redeeming features. No other regime, not even the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin, can claim such a dubious distinction."

Reference: Hett, The Death of Democracy, p. 12

(This is a historian who needs to do more research. Serious historians have judged several regimes to be total disasters—the Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin, Cambodia under Pol Pot, or Mao’s China. So I’m not sure why he says otherwise unless he’s trying to downplay the hundreds of millions of deaths caused by those regimes. Anyway—)
But that’s where the agreement ends. Hitler’s Germany is a kind of historical Rorschach test: we project onto it whatever we believe to be the worst imaginable political feature. What you see depends on who you are. These projections shape how we explain Hitler’s rise to power, which is why historians continue to offer conflicting narratives about the fall of the Weimar Republic.

Reference: Hett, The Death of Democracy, p. 12

And as I always say—where there is contradiction, there is distortion of history. It seems that historians are circling around the most obvious explanation—the one that resolves all contradictions.

"...Nazi ideology and goals were always deliberately vague and ever-changing. Hitler grandly announced the 'Twenty-Five Points' of the Nazi program in 1920 and declared them immutable. He then proceeded to ignore them, and they had nothing to do with what he actually did once in power."

Reference: Hett, The Death of Democracy, p. 117

And as I said earlier, this is a historian who hasn’t read Mein Kampf.

"This struggle must be carried on, since its aim is not the establishment of a people’s state, but the destruction of the Jewish state which now exists. As so often happens in history, the hardest thing is not to establish a new order but to clear the ground for its establishment."

Reference: Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 410

And there you have it. Hitler said—before coming to power—that he would destroy the "Jewish State" (which meant the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union and the so-called "international Jewish capital") before he could implement his version of socialism. He could not apply full socialism without first clearing the way, and without acquiring Lebensraum and resources in the East, which he believed were necessary for implementing full socialism.

As Zitelmann points out, the limited autarky Hitler enforced before the conquest of the East was only a temporary and ‘limited’ measure—not full autarky. Only after conquering Lebensraum could Hitler create full autarky. (‘Autarky’ means economic self-sufficiency and is closely related to the idea of socialism—which is why Lenin, Stalin, and syndicalists in Spain and elsewhere also tried to implement it.)

So, when Hitler said he would implement the Twenty-Five Points, he really meant it—but only after the conquest of Russia. Until then, he only implemented a limited form of socialism. However, in the early 1930s, voters were promised everything they wanted by the Nazis—from the unification of all Germans into a Greater Germany, the conquest of Lebensraum, the end of corrupt democracy, the creation of a strong state, equal rights for Germans, full employment, nationalization of industries, a welfare state, robust education, a national army, and the exclusion or relocation of non-Germans after confiscating their land and property for Germans. It’s hard to see why German voters wouldn’t want this in 1930. And the Nazis achieved most of what they outlined in the program—except, obviously, that they lost the war and could not implement all policies related to the conquest of the East.

Reference: Feder, The Program of the NSDAP, RJG Enterprises, 2003

The German people chose a radical solution to the "crisis of capitalism." They wanted a radical form of socialism—on a national or racial level—with promises of full employment, a strong military, redistribution of wealth, land, and businesses, and so on. And unlike the Communists, the National Socialists wanted to do all this legally, without a destructive civil war, economic collapse, or famine like what had happened under the Marxists in the Soviet Union. So this was Socialism without Bolshevism, designed specifically for the German people. And since the Germans were fed up with democracy, liberalism, capitalism, and foreign domination, the National Socialist German Workers' Party was the only party that made sense to them.

Bibliography / Sources :

1. Brown, A. How 'Socialist' Was National Socialism? Kindle, 2015.

2. DiLorenzo, T. The Problem with Socialism. Regnery Publishing, Kindle, 2016.

3. Evans, R. The Coming of the Third Reich. Penguin Books, Kindle, 2004.

4. Evans, R. The Third Reich in Power, 1933–1939. Penguin Books, Kindle, 2006.

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6. Feder, G. The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation. Black House Publishing LTD, 2015.

7. Fergusson, A. When Money Dies: The Nightmare of the Weimar Hyper-inflation. Old Street Publishing, 2015 (originally 1975).

8. Gellately, R. Lenin, Stalin and Hitler: The Age of Social Catastrophe. Vintage Books, 2008.

9. Hett, B. The Death of Democracy: Hitler’s Rise to Power. William Heinemann, Kindle, 2018.

10. Higgs, R. Depression, War, and Cold War: Studies in Political Economy. Oxford University Press, 2006.

11. Hitler, A. Mein Kampf. Jaico Publishing House, 2017.

12. Mises, L. Human Action: A Treatise on Economics. Martino Publishing, 2012 (originally 1949).

13. Mises, L. Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis. Liberty Fund, 1981 (1969 edition; originally 1922).

14. Rothbard, M. America's Great Depression. Fifth Edition. Ludwig von Mises Institute, Kindle, 2000.

15. Muravchik, J. Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism. Encounter Books, Kindle.

16. Reimann, G. The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism. Mises Institute, Kindle, 2007 (originally 1939).

17. Reisman, G. Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian. Kindle, 2014.

18. Sennholz, H. Age of Inflation. Western Islands, 1975.

19. Spengler, O. Prussianism and Socialism. Isha Books, 2013 (first published 1920).

20. Taylor, F. The Downfall of Money: Germany's Hyperinflation and the Destruction of the Middle Class. Bloomsbury Publishing, 2014.

21. Zitelmann, R. Hitler: The Policies of Seduction. London House, 1999.

22. Young, A. "Nazism Is Socialism." The Free Market 19, no. 9 (September 2001).

23. von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, E. Leftism: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse. Arlington House Publishers, PDF, 1974.

Recall :

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The society which was created after the NSDAP achieved power was in many ways a compromise. Hitler himself admitted (to Leon Degrelle among others) that it would be the next generation - the Hitler Youth generation - which would create a genuine National-Socialist society. Organizations such as the SS and the Hitler Youth were steps toward the creation of such a National Socialist society, and it was these organizations which implemented the ideal of personal honour, and respect for others, of whatever race and culture. As Hitler and his true followers, such as Rudolf Hess, matured in understanding, so too did National-Socialism. National-Socialism was not born, fully developed and fully-understood, in the early years of the NSDAP - it developed slowly, over several decades. Thus, as Hitler admitted, Mein Kampf was never intended to be some kind of bible of National-Socialism: it was the product of its time and while most of the underlying principles of National-Socialism were laid down in that book, some principles were not. What was written was subject to change, to revision, as National-Socialism itself developed. - David Myatt, March 2011

Source :

David Myatt: A National Socialist Ideologist by Rachael Stirling page 14

https://archive.org/details/dm-ns-ideologist/page/n13/mode/2up

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“Quite right. And I frequently regret that I did. But at the time, when I was in Landsberg after November 9, 1923, I thought everything was over. I was in captivity, I was deprived of my freedom, the party was expropriated, dissolved—everything seemed at an end, even worse than Germany after the Great War. I wrote Mein Kampf as a kind of report to the German Volk, chiefly in memory of the martyrs of November 9. I wrote it out of the narrowness of my cell.

“When I was released, I had Mein Kampf printed. Perhaps, I hoped, it would serve to rally my old friends. And that really happened! That is how it came about.

“But gradually, I saw that many things were, after all, different from the way I had seen them through prison bars and from the way I had figured them out. And soon I set out to draft changes, improvements. But they only turned out to be changes for the worse. I thought about withdrawing the book. But it was too late. It made its way through Germany, it was even spread abroad, and what was right and positive about it did not miss its mark. So I kept hands off. I made no more changes. The book even gave me the financial basis for reconstructing the party. If I were to write it today, a lot would be different. But today, I would not write it at all

Source :

Wagener - Hitler Memoirs of a Confidant page 143 and 273


Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: May 22, 2025, 11:25:11 pm »

Hitler's Socialism | Destroying the Denialist Counter Arguments – TIKhistory, February 25, 2020

https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8?feature=shared

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From 02:39:24 to 02:44:33

“It is unreasonable to deny this reality of the shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism during the Great Depression permanently altered the balance of power. Never again did big business influence the course of government in Germany as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich’s economic administration, for its part, amassed unprecedented power in controlling the national economy.”

Reference: Tooze, Wages of Destruction, p. 113.

“Privatization was part of a deliberate policy with multiple objectives and was not driven by ideology. Moreover, privatization was used as a political tool to increase support for the government and the Nazi Party.”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 2.

TIKhistory comments:

Correct, even if this was ‘privatization,’ it was not done because National Socialism was capitalism. It was used as a political tool and therefore does not prove that Hitler was a capitalist. So, even in the best-case scenario, this source does not support the idea that National Socialism is capitalism overall.

“No contemporary economic analysis of privatization takes into account an important earlier case, namely the privatization policies implemented by the National Socialist (Nazi) Party in Germany.”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 3.

TIKhistory comments:

Hmm… I wonder why they don’t mention this? Why would you omit what should be the ‘first’ privatization attempt? That makes no sense.

“It is true that the Nazi Party government sold public ownership in several state-owned companies in the mid-1930s. These companies came from various sectors: steel, mining, banking, local public utilities, shipyards, shipping lines, railways, and others.”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 3.

TIKhistory comments:

Okay, that’s a fairly solid statement.

Continuing quotes from Bel’s book:

“Additionally, the provision of some public services produced by the government before the 1930s, especially social and labor services, was transferred to the private sector, primarily to organizations within the party.”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 3.

TIKhistory comments:

...transferred to the private sector... primarily to organizations... within... the Nazi Party. Transferred to the ‘private’ sector, to the party. Wait, wait, does Bel really think the Nazi Party – the State – was a private sector organization? Are you serious? And this is not the only time Bel says this.

Continuing quotes from Bel’s book:

“Besides transferring public ownership of companies to the private sector, the Nazi government also transferred many public services (some longstanding, some newly created) to special organizations: either the Nazi Party and its affiliates or other organizations allegedly independent, formed for specific purposes…”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 9.

TIKhistory comments:

Okay, now I start to question if there is anything in this article that can be taken at face value. If you don’t know the Nazi Party is the State, if you don’t realize that many people ‘buying’ the companies listed in this article were actually Nazi Party members, or that these companies were legally and regulatorily restricted and taxed to prevent private operation, then it’s hard to trust anything this author says. Die Deutsche Arbeitsfront (German Labor Front) is not part of the State machinery but a Nazi Party organization legally independent... Are you serious? The Nazi Party is the State. Also, it’s not private if you’re forced to join, because you – an ordinary citizen – cannot make a personal decision, since the public sector makes that decision for you, forcing you to join their organizations. If you can’t make a personal decision, you are not free; if you’re not free, you’re not free.

Continuing quotes from Bel’s book:

“Membership ‘recommendations’ were mandatory... Membership, which in theory was voluntary, was in fact compulsory. The fees collected from workers and employees were a very large resource available for use by the Labor Front.”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 9.

TIKhistory comments:

So, ordinary citizens had no choice but to be part of and contribute to the state. Sorry – an organization created by the state yet allegedly ‘private.’ Seriously, are there any Marxists who have read this article to use against me? Clearly not.

Continuing quotes from Bel’s book:

“Public welfare, which before 1933 was mostly under the jurisdiction of local and district authorities, was partially transferred by the Nazi government to Nazi Party affiliates, primarily the Nationalsozialistiche Volkswohlfahrt (National Socialist People’s Welfare Organization - NSV).”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 9.

TIKhistory comments:

And again, this was not only part of the Nazi Party (which is the State) but was compulsory and you were forced to pay for it. Doesn’t sound like civilians were in control, does it? Then he discusses the contemporary literature.

Continuing quotes from Bel’s book:

“On one hand, the growth of very strict government regulation of the market, which greatly restricted economic freedom, shows that rights inherent to private property were destroyed. Therefore, privatization would have no practical effect because the state took full control over the economic system… On the other hand, the private activities of business organizations and the fact that big businesses had some power seem to form the basis for concluding that the Nazis promoted private ownership. Privatization, in this analysis, was intended to promote the interests of the business sector supporting the Nazi regime, as well as the interests of the Nazi elite…”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, pp. 13–14.

TIKhistory comments:

Okay, so the literature shows that private ownership was ‘destroyed’ and that the Nazi Party State had full control over the economy. However, because ‘big business’ (corporations) existed and had some power, and because the author does not realize that corporations were actually public sector organizations and not private, and because he uses a Marxist definition of capitalism — which is wrong — he calls it ‘privatization.’ No, no, that’s nonsense. Corporations are public sector entities, not private. The Nazi Party controlled corporations either directly or indirectly because many of those companies cooperated with the state or were led by people who were Nazi Party members. And that’s why these businesses ‘supported’ the Nazi ‘regime’ — because they were one and the same.

Continuing quotes from Bel’s book:

“Nazi policy heavily depended on Hitler’s decisions. Hitler did not comment specifically on nationalization or denationalization in Mein Kampf. Even if Hitler was an enemy of the free market economy, he cannot be considered a sympathizer of economic socialism or nationalization of private companies. The Nazi regime rejected liberalism and was strongly opposed to free competition and economic regulation through market mechanisms. (Barkai, 1990, p. 10) However, like a social Darwinist, Hitler was reluctant to fully abolish private ownership and competition. (Turner, 1985a, p. 71; Hayes, 1987, p. 71). Hitler’s solution was to combine autonomy and a large role for private initiative and property rights within companies with full subordination of property outside those companies to state control. As Nathan said, ‘It was a totalitarian system of control within the framework of private ownership and private profit. It preserved the privacy of companies and provided profit incentives as drivers of efficient management. Traditional entrepreneurial freedoms were narrowly limited.’ In other words, there was private initiative in production processes but no private initiative allowed in product distribution. Owners could act freely within their companies but faced tight restrictions in the market.”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 17.

TIKhistory comments:

So basically, Bel says that the Nazi Party had control over the broader economy but did not control ‘privately’ owned individual companies. The problem is that those companies were not truly ‘privately’ owned, and as The Vampire Economy by Günter Reimann shows, entrepreneurs could not freely act within their companies (which Bel acknowledges here). He’s right that Hitler did not fully nationalize companies in the traditional sense, but concluding this was ‘privatization’ is mistaken. State-owned factory managers could ‘own’ those factories and receive profits, but that was it. They were part of the state, controlled by the state, and therefore, they were the state. This source, often used as a ‘trap’ by Marxists denying historical reality, is fundamentally flawed because the author does not understand the difference between public and private economic sectors. If you think the Nazi Party State is a private sector organization, go watch my Public vs. Private video — it will help you understand. Ultimately, there is a fundamental misunderstanding of what Hitler was trying to do. On one hand, Hitler recognized socialism as the desired outcome and wanted state control. Yet he also saw the dangers of full state economic ownership. He — and many other Germans — had seen what the Bolsheviks did in Russia during and after the Russian Civil War. They basically killed their own economy by full state ownership. So, like the Keynesians who followed, the National Socialists under Hitler’s leadership decided to take full control of the economy, not full ownership as the Bolsheviks did. In this way, the state could retain full power yet allow some initiative within the economy, hopefully avoiding economic collapse like in the Soviet Union.

Continuing quotes from Dr. Rainer Zitelmann’s book:

“Free life is as natural as the struggle in nature, which has no regrets and destroys many living beings, so that only the healthy survive. If this principle is removed through nationalization, then the principle of civil administration will apply to the structure of our entire economic life, and we will experience a sad collapse. We will not achieve human progress within a fully bureaucratic economic system.” – Adolf Hitler

Reference: Hitler’s speech to the DAF on May 16, 1934, cited in Zitelmann, Hitler: Policies of Seduction, p. 25.

TIKhistory comments:

I agree with Bel on some points—...

Continuing quotes from Bel’s book:

“Most likely, privatization — as a policy favoring private ownership — was used as a tool to build an alliance between the Nazi government and industrialists. The government sought to gain support for its policies from large entrepreneurs, even though most industrialists were reluctant to support the Nazi party before it came to power.”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 19.

TIKhistory comments:

And in many cases, I don’t disagree with Bel; I just see it a bit differently.

Continuing quotes from Bel’s book:

“Some radical Nazi Party officers appeared before the Banking Committee Investigation… proposing nationalization of the entire banking system according to the Nazi Economic and Social Program and the Nazi Election Manifesto… Ultimately, the Banking Committee recommended strengthening public supervision and control over private banking and introducing new restrictions on the establishment of credit institutions and the banking profession (Lurie, 1947, p. 62). These recommendations were implemented through the 1934 German Banking Act, allowing the government to exercise tight control over private banks. Regulating banking appeared to the regime as a safe and economically sensible alternative compared to proposals made by radical party groups to control finance through socialization (James, 1995, p. 291).”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 20.

TIKhistory comments:

So, Bel uses this to show it as ‘privatization.’ But my interpretation differs. To me, regulating and restricting free market or economy is socialization. The state did not ‘nationalize’ the banking sector, but it exercised collective control over it. The same goes for industry. ‘Ownership’ and ‘control’ are two sides of the same coin. The state has control, therefore the state has de facto ownership.

Continuing quotes from Bel’s book:

“Reprivatization of United Steel Works, which put Fritz Thyssen in a leading position on the trust, seems an example of using privatization to increase political support. It should be remembered that Thyssen was one of the two major industrialists who supported the Nazi Party before it became the dominant political party.”

Reference: Bel, Against the Mainstream, p. 20.

TIKhistory comments:

Yes, and since 1933, he was also a member of the Nazi Party, which is the state. So this is not ‘privatization.’ The state sold state-owned companies to itself and called it ‘privatization.’ So, if read critically, Bel’s Against the Mainstream actually supports what I say and does not ‘prove’ that the Nazis privatized the economy. But clearly, the Marxists who use this as ‘evidence’ haven’t really read it or if they did, they didn’t understand it. The bottom line: Marxists shouldn’t trust Nazis, their contemporaries, or clueless people today when they call state economic control ‘privatization.’ This is not ‘privatization.’ And those who call it that are wrong to say it’s “capitalism” or “state capitalism” in National Socialist economics. It is economic control by the state: which is Socialism.

Continuing Part 4 :

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Minute 23:56 to 25:45

Furthermore, the idea that Marxism has nothing to do with race is also incorrect.

“The capitalist knows that all commodities, however bad they may look or however badly they may smell, are in faith and truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means for making more money out of money.”

Reference: Karl Marx, Das Kapital, Vol. 1, p. 107.

TIKhistory comments:

Sure enough, Marx despised Jews and saw capitalism as a Jewish doctrine. And Hitler thought exactly the same.

“...since capital is international, its holders — that is, the Jews — are international due to their dispersion around the world. And here, everyone should throw up their hands in despair and say to themselves, if this capital is international because its holders, the Jews, are spread internationally around the globe, then it must be madness to think that one could possibly combat the capital of members of this same race on an international level...”

Reference: Adolf Hitler, speech on August 13, 1920, quoted in Zitelmann, Hitler: The Politics of Seduction, p. 265.

TIKhistory continues:

“And Marx did not just call for the socialization of society — he called for its total abolition and the conditions that sustain it. The Jew would become impossible, because his consciousness would no longer have an object... The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.”

Reference: Karl Marx, On the Jewish Question.

Also, don’t forget that Hitler had read Marx’s Das Kapital, which he claimed convinced him that he was fighting against “a real world war and the stock exchange 'capital'” — which he believed was run by Jews.

Reference: Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 198.

“It is no surprise that Goebbels stated, eighty years later, that all socialism is antisemitism.”

Reference: Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Leftism, p. 137.
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: May 21, 2025, 09:57:11 pm »

Hitler's Socialism: The Evidence is Overwhelming - TIKhistory, 14th February 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLHG4IfYE1w&t=1199s

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"In addition, the delivery of some public services that were produced by government prior to the 1930s, especially social and labor-related services, was transferred to the private sector, mainly to organizations within the party." - Bel

References: Bel, G. "Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany," Universitat de Barcelona, PDF p3 + p9.

...

"Both governments [Nazi and Soviet] reorganised industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganised industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms' activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises.The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilise prices. - Temin

"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation. - Tooze

References: Tooze, "Wages of Destruction," p112.

Continuing Part 4 :

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Minute 00:10 to 02:29

TIKhistory Comments :

The process of collectivizing the German people began as soon as the Nazis seized power and developed progressively over time. As outlined in primary sources such as Günter Reimann’s The Vampire Economy, Adam Tooze’s Wages of Destruction, and many others, Nazi Party officials and SA members would literally walk into factories and businesses and take control from the inside.

References:

1. Mierzejewski, The Most Valuable Asset of the Reich, p. 4

2. Tooze, Wages of Destruction, pp. 111–113

3. Reimann, The Vampire Economy, Chapter 2

4. Temin, Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s, pp. 576–577

TIKhistory Comments :

This was not “privatization,” as claimed by the British Keynesian magazine The Economist in 1936, which used the term to describe German banks selling shares. That had nothing to do with selling industry to private interests. Even worse, other political commentators in the 1940s described this government centralization of the economy as “privatization,” which clearly isn’t how we use the term today. Regardless, actual Nazi policies were not privatization — I have no idea where the media got that term from; they may have simply invented it.

“The Party, furthermore, facilitated the accumulation of private wealth and industrial empires by its most prominent members and collaborators through privatization and other measures, thereby intensifying the centralization of economic and governmental affairs into an increasingly narrow group that could be called the national socialist elite.”

The Quarterly Journal of Economics, 1943

References:

1. Bel, “The Birth of ‘Privatization’ and the National Socialist German Party,” Journal of Economic Perspectives, Vol. 20, pp. 187–194

2. Buchheim & Scherner, “Private Property in the Nazi Economy,” p. 394

3. Kennedy, "Yes, They Were Socialists: How the Nazis Waged War on Private Property," 07/05/2022 https://mises.org/wire/yes-they-were-socialists-how-nazis-waged-war-private-property

But the actual Nazi policy was called “Gleichschaltung”.  This means “coordination” or “synchronization” - as in, the synchronization of the economy and society into the State.  Everything was to be merged into one, becoming a social state - the opposite of what is called “privatization”.

References:

1. Benz, “A Concise History of the Third Reich,” pp. 28-30.

2. Evans, “The Coming of the Third Reich,” Chapter 5, Section 4.

3. Kershaw “Hitler Hubris” p. 479, p. 481.

4. Lindner, “Inside IG Farben,” p. 67.

5. Mises “Omnipotent Government,” p. 67, pp. 227-230, p. 251

6. Rausching, “The Revolution of Nihilism,” p. 9.

"Business and professional associations, sports clubs, choral societies, shooting clubs, patriotic associations, and most other forms of organized activity were taken over - or more often hastily placed under - National Socialist control in the first months of the Third Reich. 'There was no more social life; you couldn't even have a bowling club' that wasn't ‘coordinated’, is how one resident of Northeim in Lower Saxony remembers it.

Reference: Kershaw, "Hitler: Hubris," p. 479.

Minute 03:04 to 03:48

Private property rights, as guaranteed under Articles 115 and 153 of the Weimar Constitution [Reference: Text of the Weimar Constitution], were effectively abolished by the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933.

Articles 115 and 153 of the Weimar Constitution:

Article 115: The home of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may only be made by law.

Article 153: Property is guaranteed by the Constitution. Its nature and limits will be determined by legislation...

Reference: Text of the Weimar Constitution

Text of the Reichstag Fire Decree, February 28, 1933:

“Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of the People and the State”

“On the basis of Article 48, Section 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is decreed to protect the people and the state from Communist acts of violence endangering the state:”

§1: Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Therefore, restrictions on personal liberty, freedom of expression including freedom of the press, freedom of association and assembly, and the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications are permitted.

Searches of homes, confiscation orders, and restrictions on property are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

Reference: Text of the Reichstag Fire Decree, February 28, 1933

TIKhistory Comments :

"Many historians have overlooked this portion of the Reichstag Fire Decree — either because they cannot explain it, or they deem it irrelevant. But my question to them is: why didn’t the Jews and other victims sue the Nazis for stealing their property? Oh, right — because private property rights had already been abolished. And where were they abolished? In the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933."

“The Nazis viewed private ownership as conditional on its utility — not as a fundamental right. If property was not used to serve Nazi objectives, it could be nationalized.”

Reference: Temin, Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s, p. 576
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: May 17, 2025, 10:46:26 pm »

Continuing Part 3 :

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From minute 25:28 to 27:03

Today, some people have rejected the historical definition of socialism—though none of them can offer an alternative definition that isn’t simply a rewording of the historical one.

The historical definition of socialism is: social ownership of the means of production (hence the term “socialism”). The idea is that society would be centrally organized, private ownership would be abolished and transferred to “social” control, and that “socialized man [would] rationally regulate their interaction with Nature”—in other words, they would plan the economy rather than leave it to the free market.
[Reference: Marx, Das Kapital, Vol. 3, p. 593.]

That is socialism. It’s not when workers do something. It’s not about puppies and rainbows. It is social ownership of the means of production.

So, to prove that Hitler was a socialist, all we have to do is show that he sought to centrally plan the economy, sought to abolish private ownership, sought to transfer ownership into “social” control, and sought to regulate economic activity… which is exactly what we have already shown.

References:

1. DiLorenzo, The Problem with Socialism, Kindle edition

2. Luxemburg, The National Question, p. 24

3. Marx, Das Kapital, Vol. 3, p. 593

4. Mises, Socialism, pp. 11–12, 45

5. Oxford Dictionary of English, Oxford University Press, 3rd Edition, 2010, p. 1693

6. The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of the Twenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347–354

On the other hand, Karl Marx’s version of socialism was class-based. He said that the “associated producers” (i.e., the “workers”) were the “socialized men.” However, socialism existed before Marxism and had nothing to do with class. Marx added the “class” element to socialism to create Marxist Socialism, or what could be called class-based socialism.

References:

1. Birchall, The Spectre of Babeuf, pp. 151–156

2. Mises, Socialism, pp. 15–17, 72–73
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: May 17, 2025, 08:43:40 pm »

Hitler's Socialism: The Evidence is Overwhelming - TIKhistory, 14th February 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLHG4IfYE1w&t=1199s

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"In addition, the delivery of some public services that were produced by government prior to the 1930s, especially social and labor-related services, was transferred to the private sector, mainly to organizations within the party." - Bel

References: Bel, G. "Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany," Universitat de Barcelona, PDF p3 + p9.

...

"Both governments [Nazi and Soviet] reorganised industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganised industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms' activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises.The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilise prices. - Temin

"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation. - Tooze

References: Tooze, "Wages of Destruction," p112.

Continuing :

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From minute 03:48 to 06:00

So, industries and businesses were nationalized.

References:

1. Bel, Against the Mainstream, PDF pp. 3 & 9

2. Mierzejewski, The Most Valuable Asset of the Reich, p. 4

3. Reimann, The Vampire Economy, Chapter 2

4. Temin, Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s, pp. 576–577

5. Tooze, The Wages of Destruction, pp. 111–113

The people who ran these industries were Nazis.

References:

1. Bel, Against the Mainstream, PDF pp. 3 & 9

2. Jeffreys, Hell's Cartel, Kindle Chapter 9

3. Lindner, Inside IG Farben, p. 124

Every executive board member of IG Farben was a member of the Nazi Party, except for one person—a Swiss national—who was therefore exempt.

References:

1. Jeffreys, Hell's Cartel, Kindle Chapter 9

2. Lindner, Inside IG Farben, p. 104

Strict social regulations were imposed on every industry, including rules on hiring and firing workers, working hours, workplace habits, accidents, wages, holidays, and more.

References:

1. Lindner, Inside IG Farben, pp. 71–74

2. Reimann, The Vampire Economy, Chapter 2

If industrial “leaders” refused to cooperate, the factories they supposedly owned were taken from them. Professor Junker of the Junkers aircraft factory was the first to be removed from his own business as a result—but he was not the only one.

References:

1. Reimann, The Vampire Economy, Kindle Chapter 2

2. Tooze, The Wages of Destruction, pp. 111–113

3. Temin, Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s, pp. 576–577

Industries whose former owners were removed were then sold to people within the Nazi Party, who ran them for the Party’s benefit. In other words: they were nationalized.

This fact is highlighted in Against the Mainstream by Bel—a text often used by Marxists to “prove” that this was privatization. But in truth, it unintentionally proves the opposite. If only they had actually read it.

Reference:

1. Bel, G. Against the Mainstream: Nazi Privatization in 1930s Germany, Universitat de Barcelona, PDF pp. 3 & 9

"The Nazis reorganised industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms' activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilise prices. In practice, the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of letting radical SA activists, Nazi party labor militants, or Gauleiter commissars dictate the course of events. Under the slogan ‘strong state’, the ministry's bureaucracy established a new national economic regulatory structure."

TIKhistory commenting :(If it was "state control" it's no longer private, since it belongs to the public sector)

Reference :

Tooze, "Wages of Destruction," p112.

Continuing Part 2 :

Hitler's Economic War to Europe and Western Civilization

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Now, all the socialist policies implemented by the Third Reich ultimately burdened the economy and rendered it unproductive.

References:

1. Ahamed, Lords of Finance, pp. 483–484

2. Aly, Hitler's Beneficiaries, pp. 18, 36–40

3. Evans, The Third Reich in Power, p. 433

4. Overy, The Nazi Economic Recovery 1932–1938, pp. 1, 23

5. Schacht, Confessions of 'The Old Wizard', PDF pp. 330–332, 357–358

Debt kept piling up, and on September 1, 1938, Hitler was informed that the state treasury would be empty within a month.

Reference: Aly, Hitler's Beneficiaries, p. 44

Ultimately, the cost of Hitler’s limited socialism became too great for the Third Reich’s economy to bear. The only solution was war—to steal Europe’s resources and export their financial problems abroad.

References: Aly, Hitler's Beneficiaries, pp. 40, 52

The German military looted Europe, sending goods back home, while the Reich exported its inflation to other nations. Countries like Belgium, France, Greece, Poland, and the former Soviet territories experienced hyperinflation of their local currencies, draining goods from their economies and placing them into German hands. The Jews, too—along with their lives—were stripped of everything.

Due to supply and demand, the inflow of extra goods into the German economy pushed domestic prices downward, masking the massive quantitative easing (inflation) that was occurring. This was very similar to what the United States does to the rest of the world today.

What’s that? Did Keynes take influence from Nazi economists when he developed his own school of economic thought and then helped establish the Bretton Woods system—which functioned in a strikingly similar way to how the Axis powers exploited Europe? You don’t say.

Bretton Woods Agreement :

An agreement that established gold as the basis of the U.S. dollar, with other currencies pegged to the dollar’s value. (Source: Investopedia)

References:

1. Aly, Hitler's Beneficiaries, pp. 41, 76–78, 84–85, 97, 102, 117, 135–138, 141–144, 158, 244–249

2. Collingham, The Taste of War, pp. 184–190

3. Snyder, Bloodlands, p. 171

4. Sennholz, Age of Inflation, p. 89
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Continuing (Part 3) :

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Quoting from Tooze’s book:

“Coupled with the extraordinary intervention into the property rights of German farmers was an equally drastic debt reduction program. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers bear collective responsibility for each other’s debts.”

TIKhistory comments:

“Collective responsibility? Collective control over the economy? Yes, it sounds like that.”

Continuing to quote from Tooze’s book:

“All the debts of the Erbhof farms, estimated between 6 to 9 billion Reichsmarks, would be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would pay the original creditors with interest rates ranging from 2 to 4 percent, depending on the security of the original loans.”

Reference: Tooze, Wage of Destruction, p. 183.

TIKhistory comments:

“So, it was no longer private debt of farmers, but collective debt. Again, very socialist. And even though Hitler is often described as a super-capitalist by Marxists, he approved this plan. Well, hold on—why? Why would ‘Hitler the capitalist’ approve a plan clearly designed to collectivize agriculture? What actually happened was that Hitler had to compromise due to opposition from the Junkers (landowners), some farmers themselves, and Schacht (and others). Negotiations ensued. In the end (to summarize), they had to shelve the idea of debt cancellation and instead came up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme for indebted farmers. They also had to relax inheritance laws to appease the farmers. As Tooze shows, in the end, simply ‘changing the structure of land ownership in Germany’ was not enough. However, it did have an impact.*

Reference: Tooze, Wages of Destruction, pp. 183-186.

“This consolidated a group of farms whose national average size was just under 20 hectares, a figure soon defined as the ideal size for a family farm that would be efficient in the new German agricultural order.”

Reference: Tooze, Wages of Destruction, p. 186.

TIKhistory comments:

“Now, once again, some might argue that this was not ‘full socialism.’ But even if we agree with such a statement, it does not mean this was capitalism. And I personally think that those who attempt to implement socialism, and are said to have failed (because they did not conquer or suppress the East), are nonetheless socialists. To conclude that they were capitalists is mistaken. The Nazis of the Third Reich were failed socialists, adding to the long list of failed socialist attempts around the world over the last two centuries.”