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Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 04, 2025, 12:36:08 am »

Here we go again with False Leftism. False Leftist anti-racism/anti-sexism was based on claiming that "white" supremacists/patriarchists are wrong in their assessment of "non-whites'"/women's ability to maintain Western civilization if allowed into positions of power, instead of arguing that the death of Western civilization ASAP is what any ethical person should want. Now on schooling, its claim is:
 
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As a child, I remember teachers and parents telling me that my brain is like a “sponge”, so it’s important to be exposed to as much as possible during these critical years of my life, because after this, learning becomes slow and arduous.

This theory of mind, then, is the life-raft of the otherwise foundation-less education system. It justifies shuttling batches of thirty kids from classroom to classroom for the entirety of their youth. Exams, curricula, and age-based learning are all natural extensions of the belief that there is a critical age at which kids absorb knowledge. So too, is coercion. As it turns out, this theory of mind is entirely false.

But what if it isn't? Do we then accept compulsory schooling? This is why I can't stand False Leftism. A convincing rejection of compulsory schooling must begin by assuming that all the benefits of compulsory schooling posited by rightists are true, and then arguing that all these benefits do not justify initiating violence. This is True Leftism.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg216/#msg216

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg6195/#msg6195

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg26888/#msg26888
Posted by: rp
« on: October 04, 2025, 12:02:00 am »

https://takingchildrenseriously.com/free-to-learn-the-immorality-of-compulsory-schools/
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Free to learn: the immorality of compulsory schools
Christian Dean
“The school system isn’t wrong in the sense that it’s further from the truth than Karl Popper. It’s wrong like the Catholic Church was wrong in refusing to accept Galileo’s heliocentrism and in locking him up so as to protect their worldview. It doesn’t capture any part of reality, and because of this it doesn’t solve any problems. In fact, it causes more problems than it could ever hope to solve.”
– Christian Dean


     

A peculiar meme seems to have dominated throughout human history, namely, that there always exists some demographic that is less than human. First it was race; then, women. Now, the final demographic desperately waiting for equal moral standing is children.

Today, the institutional instantiation of this meme, of course, is the education system. From the age of five, children are placed on a conveyor belt—tedious for some, torturous for many—until they alight in possession of what authorities have deemed “an education”.

Most would agree that a state of ignorance never justifies coercion, yet for reasons I shall explain below, this courtesy extends only to the point of puberty.

A false theory of mind

Rather than analyse the history of the school system, I think it more fruitful to analyse the current philosophical ideas that are justifying this treatment of children in the minds of adults. After all, we are all prone to err, but something is preventing this error from being corrected.

That something, I believe, is what Sir Karl Popper called, ‘The Bucket Theory of Mind’. The theory is as follows:

Knowledge can be transferred with high fidelity from one mind to another. In other words, the mind is like a bucket into which knowledge can be poured.

As a child, I remember teachers and parents telling me that my brain is like a “sponge”, so it’s important to be exposed to as much as possible during these critical years of my life, because after this, learning becomes slow and arduous.

This theory of mind, then, is the life-raft of the otherwise foundation-less education system. It justifies shuttling batches of thirty kids from classroom to classroom for the entirety of their youth. Exams, curricula, and age-based learning are all natural extensions of the belief that there is a critical age at which kids absorb knowledge. So too, is coercion. As it turns out, this theory of mind is entirely false.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 01, 2025, 08:13:04 pm »

Watch only the first 4 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etaHTffpQb8

Both the YouTuber and the first TikToker deserve to burn in hell for eternity. Anyone who disagrees is not a True Leftist.
Posted by: rp
« on: September 27, 2025, 01:34:45 am »

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/opinions/separating-families-is-americas-legacy-opinion-love
Posted by: rp
« on: September 04, 2025, 03:43:25 am »

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2025-09/unicef-6-million-children-out-of-school-by-2026-due-to-cuts.html
Posted by: rp
« on: November 16, 2024, 11:05:53 pm »

I see. A similar point could be made (as I have earlier) regarding impulsivity.

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 16, 2024, 07:26:19 pm »

For the record, I would not prohibit children (or adults, for that matter) who spontaneously like Western classical music from listening to it (to do so would be initiated violence). However, those who spontaneously like Western classical music should without a doubt be prohibited from reproducing sooner than those who spontaneously dislike Western classical music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n4pu3iF0AE

"But don't you agree that poor delayed gratification leads to loss in attention span, which cultivates "ADHD" type behavior that is antithetical to Aryanism?"

I agree that ADHD is inferior:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-adhd/

Delayed gratification is a separate phenomenon. It is emphatically not a trait we should worship in itself, as it leads to future-oriented thinking, which at best reduces empathy for victims in the present moment and at worst leads to progressivism.

Childrearing is in itself a product of future-orientation by parents/teachers who justify disregarding how children feel right now in order to benefit the adults that will take over their bodies in the future.

Non-Aryan farmers will tell you that the key to successful farming is delayed gratification, and hence willingness to do the work during the growing season motivated by the harvest later in the year. I of course disagree. Successful farming should proceed from empathy for the crops themselves in each present moment, which alone already suffices to motivate the Aryan farmer to tend them at least as diligently as the non-Aryan farmer motivated by the harvest. As I keep having to remind everyone, farmers are not necessarily Aryans! If anything, it was the non-Aryans who (after learning farming from us) corrupted subsistence farming into commercial farming (the latter requiring more delayed gratification and at the same time less empathy for the crops than the former).

(If you think about it, hunters also delay gratification when they do not try to pursue prey as soon as they spot it, but wait for the timing that will give them the best chances. Thus I would contend that delayed gratification is a Gentile trait.)

While it is unfortunately a strategic necessity in the material world for us to delay our gratification in order to defeat enemies who are delaying theirs, if along the way we start worshipping delayed gratification, then we have become what we set out to defeat.
Posted by: rp
« on: November 16, 2024, 05:43:26 pm »

"I was a victim of this as a child.  (I'm guessing you weren't.)"
I remember going to Piano lessons as a kid, but I don't remember being forced to. I liked playing the piano if I'm being honest, even though I'm not a fan of classical music (I was mostly taught songs like "Twinkle Twinkle" and "Mary had a Little Lamb" (I would later use it to play video game BGMs). I felt compulsory schooling to be more of something that was being forced on me.

"I myself am not a fan of Spongebob, but I would not discourage children who like it from watching it."
I was discouraged, but not prevented. I agree that high cognitive function is a Western objective. But don't you agree that poor delayed gratification leads to loss in attention span, which cultivates "ADHD" type behavior that is antithetical to Aryanism? But I agree that we should attack machinists more than Spongebob fans.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 16, 2024, 04:50:43 pm »

"So much of Gen Z culture is a product of this filth (which is why even the "leftists" are Westernized)."

You are not being logical. From your link:

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After nine minutes, the children did four tests to tap their "executive function" — such as attention, problem-solving and delay of gratification —  which allows people to set goals and implement them. Executive function is important for helping children to learn and function in school and be creative, the researchers said.

"Just nine minutes of viewing a fast-paced television cartoon had immediate negative effects on four-year-olds’ executive function," Angeline Lillard and Jennifer Peterson of the psychology department at the University of Virginia concluded in Monday's issue of the journal Pediatrics.

"Parents should be aware that fast-paced television shows could at least temporarily impair young children’s executive function."

High executive function is a Western educational objective. A show that reduces executive function is therefore de-Westernizing, not Westernizing. This is why it is Western medics who are complaining about it!

I myself am not a fan of Spongebob, but I would not discourage children who like it from watching it. If Spongebob leads to less machinism, we should avoid attacking it at least until machinism has ceased to be a threat.

Why not attack Western classical music instead?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_effect

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The Mozart effect is the theory that listening to the music of Mozart may temporarily boost scores on one portion of an IQ test. Popular science versions of the theory make the claim that "listening to Mozart makes you smarter" or that early childhood exposure to classical music has a beneficial effect on mental development.[1]

I was a victim of this as a child. (I'm guessing you weren't.)

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Zell Miller, governor of Georgia, announced that his proposed state budget would include $105,000 a year to provide every child born in Georgia with a tape or CD of classical music. Miller stated "No one questions that listening to music at a very early age affects the spatial-temporal reasoning that underlies math and engineering and even chess." Miller played legislators some of Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" on a tape recorder and asked "Now, don't you feel smarter already?" Miller asked Yoel Levi, music director of the Atlanta Symphony, to compile a collection of classical pieces that should be included.

Why do you think there is no equivalent of the above but with Spongebob? Answer: because Western classical music aligns with Western educational goals, whereas Spongebob does not. So which is the Westernizing filth?

Further hints:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg15118/#msg15118

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg15119/#msg15119
Posted by: rp
« on: November 16, 2024, 02:31:27 am »

I always knew Western "children's cartoons" were insulting to my intelligence:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/spongebob-may-impair-4-year-olds-brains-1.999585

So much of Gen Z culture is a product of this filth (which is why even the "leftists" are Westernized). Thank God I at least had alternatives.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 08, 2024, 06:09:56 pm »

"Is there a Vedic equivalent to virtue theory?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmacharya#In_the_Vedas

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Now what people call yajńa (sacrifice) is really brahmacharya, for only by means of brahmacharya does the knower attain that world (of Brahman). And what people call Ishta (worship) is really brahmacharya, for only worshipping by means of brahmacharya does one attain the Atman (the liberated Self). Now, what people call the Sattrayana (sacrificial session) is really brahmacharya, for only by means of brahmacharya does one obtain one's salvation from Sat (Being). And what people call the Mauna (vow of silence) is really brahmacharya for only through brahmacharya does one understand the Atman and then meditate. Now, what people call a Anasakayana (vow of fasting) is really brahmacharya, for this Atman never perishes which one attains by means of brahmacharya. And what people call the Aranyayana (life of a hermit) is really brahmacharya, for the world of Brahman belongs to those who by means of brahmacharya attain the seas Ara and Nya in the world of Brahman. For them there is freedom in all the worlds.
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Patanjali in verse 2.38[22] states that the virtue of brahmacharya leads to the profit of virya (वीर्य).[23] This Sanskrit word, virya, has been variously translated as virility and, by Vyasa, as strength and capacity. Vyasa explains that this virtue promotes other good qualities.[23]
Posted by: rp
« on: November 08, 2024, 03:42:22 pm »

Quote from: 90sRetroFan on July 01, 2024, 11:04:59 am
In our usage, virtue theory refers to the belief that positive traits are acquired with maturation. Believing that their offspring prior to teaching are inclined to kill insects but that they can be taught not to can be considered virtue theory, but belief that not killing insects will be rewarded in the afterlife is a separate point which is not necessarily part of virtue theory.

In any case, this will lead to violence-initiating blood having this trait suppressed via rearing and being mistaken for Aryan blood if we are not careful.

Is there a Vedic equivalent to virtue theory? Hindu parents (like Muslim parents) seem to be less strict than "East Asian" Confucian parents, but this could also be due to the latter's inferior blood. But even this would indicate that Vedism did not gain a hold in India as much as Confucianism did in China, hence the lack of an ideological equivalent to virtue theory, but I could be wrong. After all, I have seen many Indian parents enthusiastically endorse child rearing and compulsory schooling.

Posted by: rp
« on: September 21, 2024, 06:40:40 am »

Good point. I agree that passing a test should be required for driving, just that there shouldn't be any age restriction to take the test.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 21, 2024, 12:18:23 am »

I agree that there should be no age requirement for taking a driving test, but driving prior to passing your test (at any age) is not recommended. If we let one person drive without passing a test, we would have to let everyone drive without passing a test. Are you sure you want this?
Posted by: rp
« on: September 20, 2024, 11:28:08 pm »

Only Westerners would have a problem with this:
https://x.com/KTLA/status/1835659947188621642?t=RyCqjtOlJyvW0pE5ItOF9w&s=19
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8-year-old Ohio girl drove to Target, went shopping: Police trib.al/wNVJbpb

If only I had been able to learn such skills instead of useless **** in public school, I would have surely been a better activist.