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Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 14, 2025, 10:08:20 pm »

Please post a precise wording of what is supposedly forbidden, and the textual source. Please state if you took an explicit vow to follow this.

Also, assuming you knew the above prior to drinking alcohol, why did you do it at all?
Posted by: rp
« on: April 14, 2025, 10:00:19 pm »

I feel guilty about sipping alcohol, because my religion forbids it. I have been trying to cope with this fact for a year now, and it is taking a toll on my mental health. Any advice?
Posted by: alcohol
« on: July 05, 2024, 10:52:48 pm »

Certainly there can be no sin when one uses a substance as a medication. In these unnaturally tense and suppressive times that we live in alcohol can be a good remedy to bring one to a more naturally open and relaxed state.
Posted by: rp
« on: May 22, 2024, 11:37:00 pm »

"With this said, I do not exclude the possibility that a drinker could be superior in other aspects."
Yes. I would consider the vegan drinker superior to the vegetarian teetotaler (most Orthodox/upper caste Hindus), for example.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: March 16, 2024, 07:37:12 pm »

Of course I am against drinking while on duty. Proceeding from this, a teetotaler is someone who is ready to be called up for duty at any time, thus in this sense superior for practical purposes to someone who is not. If I were hiring for a job that potentially requires unscheduled duty, I would hire a teetotaler.

With this said, I do not exclude the possibility that a drinker could be superior in other aspects.
Posted by: rp
« on: March 16, 2024, 06:21:03 pm »

Ok. Then would you still consider the teetotaler Aryan superior to the drinking Aryan? If so, why?
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: March 16, 2024, 04:40:42 pm »

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dietary-decolonization/msg11085/?topicseen#msg11085

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Since the colonial era, pre-colonial local alcoholic beverages in colonized countries have been to varying degrees supplanted by Western wine. This is also something we should be trying to reverse. While we are not especially pro-alcohol in general, if people must drink, from a purely anti-colonialist perspective we should encourage them to drink the pre-colonial stuff.

"Not especially pro-alcohol" implies merely that we do not try to persuade non-drinkers to start drinking, nor ostracize them for refusing to drink during social occasions.

We are also against:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age

yet another uniquely Western law which never existed in ancient times but was spread around the world during the colonial era by the Western colonial powers, and therefore which we should be trying to get rid of as part of:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/legal-decolonization/
Posted by: rp
« on: March 16, 2024, 07:58:06 am »

"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_alcoholic_drinks#Ancient_period"
Ok. Then why is it that in the Dietary Decolonization thread you said that we are not pro alcohol?
Posted by: speedarian
« on: March 14, 2024, 09:10:54 pm »

Couple more quotes on alcohol and jewry:
"So that the 'nobility' (rich) could more easily exploit the folk, it has used the Jew, whom it lended its assets. There was no end to the suffering of the folk. This alien people, with no ties to ours, a nation which rejects christianity and thus has no idea of loving one another, has done great damage to our nations. With no regard, they sucked the wealth out the people and they tried many tricks to pick it apart morally. This is where our great antipathy to this godforbidden tribe is rooted, and the antipathy towards the rich who allowed it."

"Among the free folk, there is no drinking, for they hold value of themselves, and thus noone gets drunk. But among the slavefolk, the drunkards pile up the streets at every opportunity. The rich have made use of this and filled the villages with pubs, in which  they placed the Jew, a clever tactician of demoralization and drunkardry."

"These 'privileges' that we get from the rich, these stinked-up breweries do nothing but make decent man after decent man throw themselves on the ground for the benefit of the Jew."

"Hungarian liberalism has caught itself on emancipating the Jews, the disgusting vermin, and throwing the slav into deeper darkness."
Posted by: speedarian
« on: March 14, 2024, 08:53:32 pm »

Quote from: 90sRetroFan on March 14, 2024, 07:12:00 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_alcoholic_drinks#Ancient_period

I was mistaken, thank you for correcting me, alcohol's preservative capabilities did not even occur to me. I see now that is has a place in aryan culture, although I would need to be convinced on its drinking itself.

Quote from: 90sRetroFan on March 14, 2024, 07:12:00 pm
Štúr proposed a political fusion with Tsarist Russia.
I did not say he was infallible, just that he was the greatest aryan in all of Slovakia, and I stand by it. He is the reason Slovakia as a country exists independently. I am not sure of the context of what you mentioned, but I think you would appreciate some of his words:
"Whoever has not suffered to fight for justice has no idea of its glory."
"We have caught ourselves in the servitude of the holy spirit, and thus we walk the thorned path of life."
"All nationalist thought is empty if it is not set on a solid foundation. The folk is the thing, and we, and other countries, are the folk."
"The lower that a nation stands, the deeper it is trodded in the life of the flesh, the easier it is exploited and robbed. Like a person deep in their physical dirt, with no feeling towards himself, for bodily pleasure, they will easily sell their body and soul."
"A nation whose soul is rooted in the equality and rights of all folk, and works to improve them - only such a nation is truly honest, open, and noble."
"Is it the fault of christianity that nations who first spread the word of it could not fully grasp its meanings?... Should other nations not also try? Or have our days been counted and the world is at its end?"
"Does the catholic church think the world will remain satisfied with the mere form of religion, rather than its fulfillment? Does it think it will remain the sole orator of truth?"
"All revolutions can be characterized by their leaders - the greater of character are these revolutions, the more noble, thoughtful, and concrete their leadership is."
"Communism turns all into egoists. It turns the folk into a machine and the people into its cogs."
"The ideal of slavism has been my shining star from the very childhood. It has warmed me, nourished me, and it always will."
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: March 14, 2024, 07:12:00 pm »

"alcohol is absolutely not a part of aryan culture in any form"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_alcoholic_drinks#Ancient_period

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The earliest evidence of wine was found in what is now China, where jars from Jiahu which date to about 7000 BC were discovered. This early rice wine was produced by fermenting rice, honey, and fruit.[21]
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A major step forward in our understanding of Neolithic winemaking came from the analysis of a yellowish residue excavated by Mary M. Voigt at the site of Hajji Firuz Tepe in the northern Zagros Mountains of Iran. The jar that once contained wine, with a volume of about 9 liters (2.5 gallons) was found together with five similar jars embedded in the earthen floor along one wall of a "kitchen" of a Neolithic mudbrick building, dated to c. 5400–5000 BC.[9][24] In such communities, winemaking was the best technology they had for storing highly perishable grapes
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Brewing dates from the beginning of civilization in ancient Egypt, and alcoholic beverages were very important at that time. Egyptian brewing began in the city of Hierakonpolis around 3400 BC; its ruins contain the remains of the world's oldest brewery, which was capable of producing up to three hundred gallons (1,136 liters) per day of beer.[9]
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Alcohol distillation likely originated in India.[28] Alcoholic beverages in the Indus Valley civilization appeared in the Chalcolithic Era. These beverages were in use between 3000 BC and 2000 BC. Sura, a beverage brewed from rice meal, wheat, sugar cane, grapes, and other fruits, was popular among the Kshatriya warriors and the peasant population.[29]
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Chicha is a Spanish word for any of variety of traditional fermented beverages from the Andes region of South America. It can be made of maize, manioc root (also called yuca or cassava) or fruits among other things.[41]
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Recent archaeological evidence has also revealed the production of a similar maize-based intoxicant among the ancestors of the Pueblo peoples.[44][45]

"Ľudovít Štúr, the greatest aryan of my country (Slovakia)"

https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%BDudov%C3%ADt_%C5%A0t%C3%BAr

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Štúr proposed a political fusion with Tsarist Russia

""Earth is for food, and food is necessary for living. It is not necessary for drinking, let alone a drink so foul and damaging"."

See the part in bold above. Fermentation was a way of preserving excess harvest food used since the Neolithic era:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation#History_of_the_use_of_fermentation

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The use of fermentation, particularly for beverages, has existed since the Neolithic and has been documented dating from 7000 to 6600 BCE in Jiahu, China,[32] 5000 BCE in India, Ayurveda mentions many Medicated Wines, 6000 BCE in Georgia,[33] 3150 BCE in ancient Egypt,[34] 3000 BCE in Babylon,[35] 2000 BCE in pre-Hispanic Mexico,[35] and 1500 BC in Sudan.[36]

Furthermore, you have to go through alcohol to get vinegar which was also used for preserving foods via pickling (another Neolithic food preservation method). Vinegar was also used for household cleaning prior to the existence of Western detergents (which should never have been invented).
Posted by: speedarian
« on: March 14, 2024, 06:31:04 am »

Made an account just to comment on this. As i see it, alcohol is absolutely not a part of aryan culture in any form. Although it might produce some mildly interesting momentary effects from time to time, overall, it makes one spiritually numb. Ľudovít Štúr, the greatest aryan of my country (Slovakia), was completely against it: "Earth is for food, and food is necessary for living. It is not necessary for drinking, let alone a drink so foul and damaging".

Psychedelics are much more worth looking into. Some have effects that are the exact opposite of addictive vices, as in they make the user quit their addictions, and they may produce effects so profound, the user does not wish to take the psychedelic again for years despite liking the experience, because of the sheer bewilderment at its profoundness. Mushrooms, LSD and DMT are the three "big ones". I have no idea of their history or relation to aryan culture, but their effects cannot be ignored.
Posted by: Schwartze Katze
« on: March 02, 2024, 05:07:09 pm »

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One thing I noticed in non-Western countries is that this anti alcohol push has coincided directly with the propagation of Western alcohol and a Western "social" drinking culture. I much rather prefer the non-Western culture of drinking to get rid of depression, as I find it less aesthetically disgusting (although I can't quite figure out why this is tbh).

I have noticed if I drink a little too much one night, I feel good the next day (I drink lots of water alongside alcohol when I drink recently), but the day after that I get a mild depressed feeling. At least I think that is what the feeling is? However, if I remind myself it's because I drank alcohol two nights prior the feeling somewhat subsides. A bit odd...

I do not drink socially when I do decide to. I feel drinking gives me easier access to other parts of my mind, such as the subconscious and unconscious parts of the mind. People with mastery in Jungian analytical psychology have stated this is indeed a fact, the subconscious and unconscious parts of the mind are easier to access from the ego after consuming alcohol.
   
Posted by: rp
« on: March 02, 2024, 04:21:45 pm »

Regarding the previous post, as usual we see Western authoritarianism (pseudo moralistic aggression against non-violent actions) making things worse.
Posted by: rp
« on: March 02, 2024, 03:57:51 pm »

One thing I noticed in non-Western countries is that this anti alcohol push has coincided directly with the propagation of Western alcohol and a Western "social" drinking culture. I much rather prefer the non-Western culture of drinking to get rid of depression, as I find it less aesthetically disgusting (although I can't quite figure out why this is tbh).