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« on: January 07, 2025, 03:39:46 am »"Apparently the terms “left” and “right” in a political context, originate in the seating arrangements of the French National Assembly during the French Revolution."
This has been answered before. Our usage of left and right originates from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vamachara
"The pro-monarchy people were seated to the right, whereas the other camp was seated to the left. By that metric, wouldn’t we be “rightists”, since we’re anti-democratic and would therefore have principally opposed the anti-monarchy camp at that time?"
We are indeed anti-democratic, but we would not have been pro-monarchy in France in the way that the post-French-Revolution rightists were, since it would have been a Western monarchy, which we oppose:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/'royal'-family-hate-thread/
The only monarchs we believe deserve to rule France immediately following the French Rebolution would have been an Islamic ruler (e.g. who could trace succession from an Andalusian dynasty), which the post-French-Revolution rightists surely would have endorsed. So no, we would not have been on the same side as the post-French-Revolution rightists.
Pragmatically, if we around back then, we would have sided with whichever side was relatively more anti-colonialist, which in fact was the leftist side:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti#Haitian_Revolution_(1791%E2%80%931804)
even though they arrived at this conclusion via democratic reasoning which we disagree with. In contrast:
Nothing about pro-monarchism obliges us to support evil monarchs. Pro-monarchism merely means that after supporting the overthrow of an evil monarch, we advocate another monarch as the replacement rather than switching to a different form on government.
This has been answered before. Our usage of left and right originates from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path
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The terms have their origins in tantra: the right-hand path (RHP, or dakṣiṇācāra) applied to magical groups that follow specific ethical codes and adopt social convention, while the left-hand path (LHP, or vāmācāra) adopts the opposite attitude, breaking taboos and abandoning set morality.
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The occultist Dion Fortune considered Abrahamic religions to be RHP.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vamachara
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The converse term is dakṣiṇācāra "right-hand path", which is used to refer not only to orthodox sects but to modes of spirituality that engage in spiritual practices that accord with Vedic injunction and are generally agreeable to the status quo.
"The pro-monarchy people were seated to the right, whereas the other camp was seated to the left. By that metric, wouldn’t we be “rightists”, since we’re anti-democratic and would therefore have principally opposed the anti-monarchy camp at that time?"
We are indeed anti-democratic, but we would not have been pro-monarchy in France in the way that the post-French-Revolution rightists were, since it would have been a Western monarchy, which we oppose:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/'royal'-family-hate-thread/
The only monarchs we believe deserve to rule France immediately following the French Rebolution would have been an Islamic ruler (e.g. who could trace succession from an Andalusian dynasty), which the post-French-Revolution rightists surely would have endorsed. So no, we would not have been on the same side as the post-French-Revolution rightists.
Pragmatically, if we around back then, we would have sided with whichever side was relatively more anti-colonialist, which in fact was the leftist side:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti#Haitian_Revolution_(1791%E2%80%931804)
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Maximilien de Robespierre and the Jacobins, endorsed abolition and extended it to all the French colonies.[72]
even though they arrived at this conclusion via democratic reasoning which we disagree with. In contrast:
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Napoléon Bonaparte in 1802 sent an expedition of 20,000 soldiers and as many sailors[82] under the command of his brother-in-law, Charles Leclerc, to reassert French control.
Nothing about pro-monarchism obliges us to support evil monarchs. Pro-monarchism merely means that after supporting the overthrow of an evil monarch, we advocate another monarch as the replacement rather than switching to a different form on government.