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Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: December 23, 2024, 10:15:08 pm »

Fatal Flaw of Fascist Worldview

Support slavery and colonialism for economic efficiency

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Giovanni Gentile touches on this.

“It is important to notice that from an external point of view the criterion of economic efficiency can be applied to the lower animals as well as man. The behavior of the lower animals is purposive and therefore ‘useful’; it is more immediately hedonistic. Their behavior is not free but mechanical, and in that sense necessary - which is what we mean by instinctive for ‘Instinct’ is rational behavior. The Analogy between the instinctive behavior of Brutes and the Utilitarian activity of man does not break down because intelligence is involved in the latter. Intelligence is not absent even in the actions of the lower animals.”

— Giovanni Gentile, Genesis and Structure of Society

The European imperialization of Africa indeed involved the systematic exploitation of the continent's vast resources, which had remained largely untapped for centuries. European powers extracted these resources to fuel their industrial centers and militaries, perpetuating the cycle of imperialism and further economic growth. As a result, Africa was left with modern technology and infrastructure in certain regions, particularly in the east, north, and south, which played a role in financing post-independence and subsequent economic advancements.

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In his controversial work The Case for Colonialism, Bruce Gilley, a professor of political science at Portland State University, argued that colonialism had benefits for both the conqueror and the conquered nation. Similarly, in certain sections of Marxist-Leninism in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Karl Marx acknowledged that imperialism brought about positive social and socioeconomic changes that would not have occurred without the influence of imperial powers. This perspective can be observed in Marx's article on The British Rule In India.

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In Civilization: The Result of Compulsory Labor by George Fitzhugh, a pro-slavery advocate, we see a similar line of thought as expressed by figures like Engels and Hitler regarding the role of slavery in civilization. Eric Williams, in his book Capitalism and Slavery, argues that slavery played a pivotal role in Europe's ascent to global economic dominance. According to Williams, the conquest and settlement of the New World by Europeans relied on the enslavement of millions of individuals, whose labor generated the capital that fueled the industrial revolution. He contends that Europe's economic progress was built upon the foundations laid by enslaved individuals, and the abolition of slavery was driven by economic self-interest rather than moral convictions.

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It should be noted that, in addition to the economic improvements resulting from the creation of infrastructure by colonizers, they also introduce social technologies (such as statecraft, economic systems, and cultural norms) that benefit the native populations of lands brought into the hegemony of the imperial state. These social technologies would likely never come to fruition under traditionally bound and underdeveloped native systems, as they originate from a different civilization and mode of thought.

Although it is common in history for conquering states to impose their culture on and mistreat the conquered peoples, this does not necessarily need to be the case. In fact, colonization can not only build up the economic forces of a nation, but it can also birth it. Take America, for example, which started as a colony. While some may argue that America is "stolen land", the reality is that all land is "stolen land".

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Throughout history, many empires have employed brutal and oppressive methods when dealing with subjugated populations. However, it is possible to approach imperialism in a manner that respects, protects, and even enhances the cultural traditions, social structures, and well-being of the subordinate societies. Therefore, the moral objections raised against imperialism based on oppression and cultural genocide are at least debatable. It is not inherently necessary for imperialist states to engage in the extermination of out-groups.It is difficult to make a strong moral argument against imperialism when the subservient nations are legally treated in a similar manner to the core population of the empire, with the exception of being a different group that may face some segregation.

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During World War II, Italy's imperialism aimed to acquire new resources needed for industrialization, as Italy was economically behind other European countries until the Marshall Plan. By expanding into Balkan territories rich in resources like iron, carbon, copper, timber, and cattle, Italy could utilize these resources for its own industrialization while also developing the lands from which the resources were extracted.

In Greece, Italy had plans to significantly develop its underdeveloped steel industry, which would not only contribute to Italy's industrialization but also benefit Greece through increased trade and investment from a larger power. Similarly, Italian ambitions in Africa would have led to increased investment and trade, as regions were developed to finance Italy's industrialization by extracting the continent's rich resources, ultimately benefiting the overall development of Africa. It is worth noting that Japanese imperialism, while controversial due to its destructive nature, would have still resulted in the expansion and development of the subjugated lands.

Source :

The Fascio Newsletter. (2022, January 9). Anti-Imperialism Critiqued. Retrieved December 24, 2024, from Substack.com website: https://fascio.substack.com/p/anti-imperialism-critiqued?utm_source=publication-search
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: December 23, 2024, 07:14:35 pm »

Another fatal flaw of Fascism

Fascism unites people into power with state and autocratic assistance, but the goals of people's unity is relative. So the goals of the people's unity can be directed to enforcing the wrong value

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If relativism is to be understood as the contempt for fixed categories, for men who believe themselves to be bearers of an immortal objective reality, for the static who settle down, instead of tormenting themselves with incessantly renewing. For those who pride themselves on always being the same as themselves, nothing is more relativistic than the fascist mentality and activity. If relativism and universal mobilism are equivalent, we fascists, who have always demonstrated our unscrupulous arrogance in the face of the nominalisms on which the bigots of the other parties nail themselves, like bats to the rafters; we, who have had the courage to shatter all the traditional political categories and to call ourselves alternately aristocrats and democrats, revolutionaries and reactionaries, proletarians and anti-proletarians, pacifists and anti-pacifists, we are truly the relativists par excellence and our action it refers directly to the most current movements of the European spirit.

Our reluctance to force ourselves into a program, even with the understanding that more than a program is a matter of simple points of view of reference and an orientation, our position of agnosticism in the face of the regime, having taken away from the other parties this that we like and benefit us and having rejected what we don't like and harms us, the mockery we make of all the socialist and communist mortgages on the mysterious future, constitute so many documentations of our relativistic mentality. To move forward, we just need a point of reference: the nation. Everything else takes care of itself.

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From the equivalence of all opinions, the ancient skeptic deduced that, therefore, the only thing to do was to give up judging and acting. From the equivalence of all ideologies, all equally fictions, modern relativism deduces that, therefore, each has the right to create its own and to impose it with all the energy it is capable of.

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The Italian fascist phenomenon must appear to Tilgher as the highest and most interesting manifestation of relativistic philosophy; and if, as Wahinger states, relativism goes back to Nietzsche and his Willen zur Macht, Italian fascism was and is the most formidable creation of an individual and national ‘will to power.’”

— Benito Mussolini, Relativism and Fascism, Il Popolo d'Italia, 22 November 1921

Source :

The Fascio Newsletter. (2023, January 21). Why Fascists Are Anti-Dogmatic. Retrieved December 24, 2024, from Substack.com website: https://fascio.substack.com/p/why-fascists-are-anti-dogmatic?utm_source=publication-search
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: December 17, 2024, 11:56:32 pm »

Quote from: antihellenistic on October 27, 2024, 07:30:55 pm
Real meaning of Fascism

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...we must create an ‘ethical state’ that benefits the whole society. The nation, for Gentile, is not just a collection of individuals united by a common goal (a concept he calls immoral). The nation, he said, unites all people in one state - one superconsciousness. And it is through the state and the nation that the individual forms himself. ‘Individualism and egoism,’ he said, ‘are problems that must be overcome.’ And Gentile said ‘that true self-fulfillment can only be achieved by becoming one with the State and the historical community’. One important thing to take away from all this is that, although we are spiritually connected, Gentile recognizes the individual as a consciousness that stands alone.

Watch the video at minute 37:56 to 38:51

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Racism is not mentioned in the 'Doctrine of Fascism' written by Gentile and signed by Mussolini. And in 1937, Gentile even wrote an article saying that German anti-Semitism was a "monstrous barbarism" unworthy of a civilized society.

Watch the video at 41:33 to 41:54

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The Fascist Movement is NOT on the “Far-Right” Political Spectrum. They are on the third positionist Political Spectrum.

Minutes 52:59 to 53:12

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https://youtu.be/q_ReESRfV8g?feature=shared



Update about Fascism ideology, explaining the weakness of Fascism and Mussolini's own betrayal to Fascism

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It was Benito Mussolini who were rightist on political spectrum, because he still allowed his officials to accumulate capital and the presence of high-class bankers in Mussolini's leadership

It was the dictatorship of Francisco Franco who were rightist on political spectrum, because he still allowed the feudal class to remain strong in Spain

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Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Pages 556 to 558

Mussolini's view on social structure of society

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Mussolini was concerned that the increasing numbers and geographical expansion of Asian and African races would cause the civilization of Europe to decline. He argued that he had been warning people about the decline of the "White Race" since 1926, which is why he launched the Battle for Births in 1927 to encourage women to have children. Tax privileges were given to families with more children, while bachelors faced high taxation. On the issue of the low birth rate of White people, Mussolini said in 1928:

“[When the] city dies, the nation – deprived of the young life-blood of new generations – is now made up of people who are old and degenerate and cannot defend itself against a younger people which launches an attack on the now unguarded frontiers [...] This will happen, and not just to cities and nations, but on an infinitely greater scale: the whole White race, the Western race can be submerged by other coloured races which are multiplying at a rate unknown in our race."

— Benito Mussolini quoted in Fascism by Roger Griffin

“We are moving towards an Africanized America in which the white race, due to the inexorable law of numbers, will end up being overwhelmed by the fertile nephews of the proverbial Uncle Tom. Will we see blacks in the White House in half a century, in a century?”

— Benito Mussolini, Europe Without Europeans

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Mussolini also referred to a “White race” in Which Way Is The World Going? published in Gerarchia on February 25th, 1922, indicating that he at the very least recognized the existence of race. So I find it hard to believe Mussolini got these views from Hitler. Further validation of this can be found various quotations from Mussolini talking of race. Where we see an obvious continuity in early Fascism to its more mature views during the 1940s.

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The Ethiopian invasion was seen as an opportunity to address the situation discussed in Mussolini's 1934 essay. He pushed for demographic colonization, which involved creating permanent Italian settlements to solve Italy's land hunger problem and repopulating East Africa as a white European space. Maintaining racial boundaries was central to Mussolini's colonial culture vision. This motivated many in the Fascist party to serve the regime, and architects and urban planners used race as the main criterion for spatial organization in Ethiopia. They followed the mandates to keep Italian and African cultures separate and unequal, passing laws in 1939 with the goal of preserving "racial prestige." These laws regulated interracial social contact and enforced racial segregation.

In 1937, miscegenation became a criminal offense for all Italians, punishable by five years in prison. Women who had relationships with African men were publicly whipped and sent to concentration camps. Many Italian colonial authorities and some party members believed that assimilation similar to the French model led to the loss of white prestige by encouraging the colonized to mimic their European rulers. Instead, they advocated for a politics of difference that would continually remind Africans of their inferior status.

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"In addition, a system of apartheid was introduced involving segregation in public places and an April 1937 law made sexual relations between whites and blacks a crime punishable by up to five years in prison. A popular Fascist song was ‘Faccetta nera’ (Little Black Face) about a slave girl freed by Italian soldiers so she can go to Rome and wear a black shirt. Eventually, Mussolini banned the song and ordered Badoglio to punish Italian soldiers guilty of “sexual relations with native girls."

— Nicholas Farrel, Mussolini: A New Life

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The flaws of Fascism ideology

Despite this, the philosophical framework Gentile devised for Fascism was flexible enough to be adapted to racial considerations. For instance, just as the laws of physics and chemistry achieve consistency in reality through the construct of an infinite mind, so too can the principles of heredity find order within the collective reality. Niccolò Giani, a distinguished Fascist intellectual, contended that Hegel's perspectives on race could be assimilated into Fascist Actualism. He saw this not as a paradox but as a dialectical evolution within Fascist thought.[/size]

Hegel himself made a statement on this matter in The Philosophy of History:

"The peculiarly characteristic feature of the Negro is that his consciousness has not yet attained to the realization of any substantial objectivity, as for example, that of God or law; and hence his nature is one of mere wild, brutal caprice. On the other hand, the Negro exhibits the natural man in his completely wild and untamed state. We must lay aside all thought of reverence and morality—all that we call feeling—if we would rightly comprehend him; there is nothing harmonious with humanity to be found in this type of character. The copious and circumstantial accounts of missionaries completely confirm this, and Mahommedanism (which first proceeded from Arabia to the West coast of Africa, and from thence to other parts) has, like Christianity, been able to do very little towards improving the moral condition of the Negroes."

— Hegel, The Philosophy of History

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the official stance of Fascism regarding race can be summarized as follows:

"A relationship of absolutely pure blood connects today's Italians with the generations that have lived in Italy for millennia. This ancient purity of blood is the greatest title of nobility of the Italian nation... The purely European character of Italians would be altered by any crossing with a non-European race, bearer of a civilization different from the millennia-old civilization of the Aryans." Turans

— The Second Book of Fascism

Source :

The Fascio Newsletter. (2022, January 23). Racism In Italian Fascism. Retrieved December 18, 2024, from Substack.com website: https://fascio.substack.com/p/italian-racism-in-fascism?utm_source=publication-search

Another fatal flaw of Fascism

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"The Fascist State, on the other hand, is a popular state, and, in that sense, a democratic State par excellence."

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References: Gentile, Origins and Doctrine of Fascism, p28.

Dictatorship can also be ignoble too. For example, Mussolini
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 19, 2021, 02:18:07 am »

"still not good enough to be worthy of being a potential ally?"

Regarding Spain, our most immediate threat comes from VOX:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/vox/

so if they are willing to fight VOX, that would be helpful irrespective of their positions on other issues. Are they?
Posted by: Aryan_Militarism
« on: August 18, 2021, 08:04:39 am »

I wish I had asked him the questions you were suggesting, we would have had a clear picture of their true beliefs.

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So is this guy currently trying to open the Spain-Morocco border so that the all refugees who want to get into Spain from Morocco can get in? If so, he is our ally. If not, he is our enemy.

I didn't ask him about that but I would be very suprised if he said yes.

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Do falangists consider Spanish-speaking countries as a whole to be part of Western civilization, or victims of Western civilization? Thus do they consider Spanish-speaking countries closer to non-Spanish-speaking Western countries, or to non-Spanish-speaking non-Western countries that were formerly colonized? If the former, they are our enemies. If the latter, they are our allies.

I did not ask him specifically about their approach to Western civilization. Political radicalism and distancing from the right might suggest a critical approach to this issue, but that's not enough to say anything for sure.

My guess is that probably the former is closer to their perception of reality. But from what this guy wrote, modern falangists are apparently positive about anti-Zionist non-Western countries. 

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Do falangists in those regions support this initiative?

I highly doubt they see this as problem.

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"Ferdinand II and Isabella"

Do falangists consider them to be heroes or villains? And if the latter, then why use their symbol?


M. Basilio, Visual Propaganda, Exhibitions, and the Spanish Civil War, 2013, p. 144

I bring this argument also into discussion, but he's only response was that "symbolism is marginal issue". But still, if they insist that they are not Islamophobic yet their official symbol has an obvious anti-Islamic connotation it is a bit as if the National Socialists would claim to be anti-communists and at the same time would use the sickle and hammer. It would be schizophrenic to say the least.

So to sum this up, falangism>Francoism, but but still not good enough to be worthy of being a potential ally?

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 17, 2021, 10:11:52 pm »

"2. He argues that Spanish falangism was neither racist nor Islamophobic. Falangism (in which racial theories were practically vague) included both the Spaniards, Latinos and the Muslim population of Spanish Morocco"

So is this guy currently trying to open the Spain-Morocco border so that the all refugees who want to get into Spain from Morocco can get in? If so, he is our ally. If not, he is our enemy.

"3. He claims that falangism spread the universalist idea of ​​hispanidad, which emphasized the need for unity and cooperation between the Spanish-speaking countries regardless of ethnic differences."

Do falangists consider Spanish-speaking countries as a whole to be part of Western civilization, or victims of Western civilization? Thus do they consider Spanish-speaking countries closer to non-Spanish-speaking Western countries, or to non-Spanish-speaking non-Western countries that were formerly colonized? If the former, they are our enemies. If the latter, they are our allies.

"4. He argues that apart from Spain, falangism currently occurs only in Latin America, and there are also some sympathizers of falangism in the Philippines. It is therefore absurd to call European neo-fascist far-rightists collectively "falangists.""

We want the the following countries to change their names:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/name-decolonization/msg28/#msg28

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The name of the Philippines (Filipino: Pilipinas [pɪlɪˈpinɐs]; Spanish: Filipinas) is a truncated form of Philippine Islands, derived from the King Philip II of Spain in the 16th century.
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Due to the colonial origin and direct meaning of the country's current name, proposals for name change have surfaced since the late 19th century up to present time. Among the proposed names that have surfaced include Sovereign Tagalog Nation (Haring Bayang Katagalugan)[6][7], Katipunan (Assembly/Gathering)[8], Kapatiran (Brotherhood)[8], Luzviminda (Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao)[9], Luzvimindas (Luzon, Visayas, Mindanao, and eastern Sabah)[9], Mahárlika (Nobility)[8], Rizalia[8], Rizaline Republic (República Rizalina)[10], and Dayaw Republic (Repúblikang Dayaw).

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For most of its history, up until independence, the country was known as Santo Domingo[36]—the name of its present capital and patron saint, Saint Dominic—and continued to be commonly known as such in English until the early 20th century.[37] The residents were called "Dominicans" (Dominicanos), which is the adjective form of "Domingo", and the revolutionaries named their newly independent country "Dominican Republic" (República Dominicana).

    In the national anthem of the Dominican Republic (himno nacional de la República Dominicana), the term "Dominicans" does not appear. The author of its lyrics, Emilio Prud'Homme, consistently uses the poetic term "Quisqueyans" (Quisqueyanos). The word "Quisqueya" derives from a native tongue of the Taino Indians and means "Mother of the lands" (Madre de las tierras). It is often used in songs as another name for the country.

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The name "Colombia" is derived from the last name of Christopher Columbus(Italian: Cristoforo Colombo, Spanish: Cristóbal Colón). It was conceived by the Venezuelan revolutionary Francisco de Miranda as a reference to all the New World, but especially to those portions under Spanish rule (by then from Mississippi river to Patagonia). The name waslater adopted by the Republic of Colombia of 1819, formed from the territories of the old Viceroyalty of New Granada (modern-day Colombia, Panama, Venezuela, Ecuador, and northwest Brazil).[18]

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The Spanish expedition led by Alonso de Ojeda, sailing along the length of the northern coast of South America in 1499, gave the name Venezuela ("little Venice" in Spanish) to the Gulf of Venezuela — because of its imagined similarity to the Italian city.

Do falangists in those regions support this initiative?

"Ferdinand II and Isabella"

Do falangists consider them to be heroes or villains? And if the latter, then why use their symbol?
Posted by: Aryan_Militarism
« on: August 17, 2021, 12:31:48 pm »

Hello fellow Aryanists, after a long time of reading the forum, I finally decided to register  ;) But to the point...

Recently, on my blog, I have a quite interesting discussion with a falangist who accused us (Aryanists) of ignorance and was clearly outraged that in the article "National Socialism and Fascism" on Anet we call falangism the far right and that we say that it is an Islamophobic and racist ideology. I will summarize his arguments:

1. He argues that falangism is a radical ideology (which is neither right-wing nor far-right) and the ideologists of falangism, José Antonio and Ramiro Ledesma, clearly distanced their movement from the left-right dichotomy.
2. He argues that Spanish falangism was neither racist nor Islamophobic. Falangism (in which racial theories were practically vague) included both the Spaniards, Latinos and the Muslim population of Spanish Morocco, and the members of the Falange Española included all of the above-mentioned ethnic groups.
3. He claims that falangism spread the universalist idea of ​​hispanidad, which emphasized the need for unity and cooperation between the Spanish-speaking countries regardless of ethnic differences.
4. He argues that apart from Spain, falangism currently occurs only in Latin America, and there are also some sympathizers of falangism in the Philippines. It is therefore absurd to call European neo-fascist far-rightists collectively "falangists."
5. He claims that the modern falangists are anti-Zionists, support a free Palestine and that they are not Islamophobes.
6. He argues that original falangism, unlike Fracoism, is not a conservative ideology, as we can read on Wikipedia. He argues that the falangists competed strongly with the Carlist camp, promoted syndicalism in the economy, and in the cultural sphere they had strong influence in surrealism for example. He claims that in the social context falangists also wanted to strongly improve the social status of women in society.
7. He argues that falangism has nothing to do with Francoism. They differed in their approach to the Catholic Church (phalagism was secularist, Francoism was extremely clerical), their approach to economy (falangists were national syndicalists, Franco from the 1950s supported liberal economy) or systemic issues (falangists were syndicalists, i.e. they advocated the domination of workers councils that formed committees from which in turn higher instances of power were choosed; Franco did not do that)
8. He claims that Franco was never an ideological falangist (but a national Catholic), he was only politically involved with this movement. Finally, he claims that most of the modern falangists clearly distance themselves from the Franco regime that persecuted ideological falangists.

The question is, do you think that, as Aryanists, we should revise our approach to falangism, not equate it with Francoism and generally treat it similarly to fascism, that is, as a movement that has its flaws but can be a potential ally? Perhaps it would be better to call racist neo-fascists not falangists, but simply neo-fascists or identitarians. Yeah, I don't like their symbol (yoke and arrows) due to its anti-Islamic references and conotation with the Reconquista and Ferdinand II and Isabella, two Islamophobes, but apart from that in many ways they seemed to be similar to Degrelle's Rexists or Fascists and not to Francoists. Or am I missing something?