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Posted by: guest78
« on: January 01, 2023, 01:43:27 am »

Some very Gnostic sentiments all-around, which also emphasize human and non-human relationships in this series toward a greater good. This production in a round-about way almost depicts the destruction of Yahweh. Worth a watch:

Posted by: guest98
« on: December 25, 2022, 01:13:17 pm »

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1. Absolute dualism. Good and evil must be seen as two entirely separate, opposing forces.

Yes, although as Mani said this world came about as a result of the mixture of both forces.

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God’s perfection should stress the fact that there’s simply no reason for us to be here, and the fact that we ARE here instead, must mean that something has gone fundamentally wrong, and not that God must have some inexplicable reason for creating the material world.

We are here to establish the light earth, for that too happen the good elements of the world need to be definitely separated from the evil elements so that the Gnostic truth of absolute dualism is apparent throughout the world. In other words we are here to wage a great spiritual battle, the  prophets of the good god did say that the good and evil elements in this world would be separated from there enmeshment at the end of time.
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: December 25, 2022, 04:28:44 am »

I think what we really need is to go back to basics. While joining hypothetical Manichaeans or eclectic Gnostics in California for religious service sounds tempting, even the best of the Gnostics have strayed in some way. The prophet Mani is perhaps my favorite prophet, but I’d hesitate to resurrect Manichaeism exactly as it was before it went almost extinct, because the cosmology has too much fluff and some of the minor beliefs contradict the oneness of God. And as far as the rest of our community goes, I have a bone to pick with many neo-Gnostics I’ve gotten to know personally online as well, because we aren’t in agreement about a surprising amount of things. To cut my rambling short, we need to start completely from square one, and focus on promulgating a belief system that emphasizes the two following things:

1. Absolute dualism. Good and evil must be seen as two entirely separate, opposing forces. The standard model present in mainstream Christianity, Islam, and even many of the sects of India, cannot fly. “Every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits” - Jesus. To assert that the Devil or Satan or Brahma comes from God, explicitly goes against this simple truth. Not even Gnosticism is safe from this fatal error. Most of the Gnostics I’ve met are monists(!) and not dualists

2. Gnosticism. The material world must have been created by a bad entity, and the spirit must come from a force of good. God’s perfection should stress the fact that there’s simply no reason for us to be here, and the fact that we ARE here instead, must mean that something has gone fundamentally wrong, and not that God must have some inexplicable reason for creating the material world. We aren’t here to learn a lesson. By definition, separation from perfection can only be a downgrade

That’s it. If I really wanted to, I could even describe the core tenets in only two sentences. Most of what I wrote above was just explanatory. This is actually part of the reason for my website’s existence. I want to cut out all the fluff from current religious dogmas and start from square one, with a belief system that even a very young child could understand. It will also serve as a center for its own sort of activism, though that’s a separate topic entirely. I should have both a new page and a new blog post finished and uploaded to my website within the next day or two, if I’m not hit with major writer’s block
Posted by: guest63
« on: December 25, 2022, 02:51:16 am »

"gnostic peoples certainly exist in the US but they are yet to be united. there’s nothing stopping you from holding your own congregations! people have started churches in their garages before.

this would be a great project for you, as it could be the base your community forms around."

I currently live in an apartment but am about to start living in a van, and when my friend buys a plot of land, I may assist to start a church on his property.

Posted by: guest63
« on: December 25, 2022, 02:27:16 am »

"As far as I know, the only genuine Gnostic church in the US is Ecclesia Gnostica, but that’s in California. There are also a few surviving Manichaeans in China, but that would require you to live in China, and they don’t seem that open to outsiders at all. Gnosticism is practically dead at the moment, and those who still carry the torch are completely scattered. I’ve only ever found other Gnostics online, and they’re even rare online"

I'm willing to relocate to California, but not China. Despite being a Muhammadan, I come from a Christian background, and I don't see any conflict between either (I view them as Zoroastrianic religions, not as "Abrahamic" religions).

I'm also willing to relocate to an Arabic-speaking country as a Muslim, and may want to revive an authentic form of Muhammadanism, in sha Allah. Although that could be easily done in America too.
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: December 23, 2022, 09:28:38 pm »

As far as I know, the only genuine Gnostic church in the US is Ecclesia Gnostica, but that’s in California. There are also a few surviving Manichaeans in China, but that would require you to live in China, and they don’t seem that open to outsiders at all. Gnosticism is practically dead at the moment, and those who still carry the torch are completely scattered. I’ve only ever found other Gnostics online, and they’re even rare online
Posted by: guest90
« on: December 23, 2022, 06:08:02 pm »

Quote from: HH88 on December 23, 2022, 06:17:08 am
I know, but are there are any churches one could join and attend in-person that promote Gnostic Christianity? Or should we set up churches like that?

gnostic peoples certainly exist in the US but they are yet to be united. there’s nothing stopping you from holding your own congregations! people have started churches in their garages before.

this would be a great project for you, as it could be the base your community forms around.
Posted by: guest98
« on: December 23, 2022, 02:28:22 pm »

Gnostic christian websites:

http://www.thepearl.org/index.htm#Scripture

https://www.gnosticq.com/az.text/glos.af.html

https://www.angelfire.com/dc/universalism/gnostic.html
Posted by: guest63
« on: December 23, 2022, 06:17:08 am »

"Gnostic Christianity"

I know, but are there are any churches one could join and attend in-person that promote Gnostic Christianity? Or should we set up churches like that?
Posted by: AmonReinhardt
« on: December 23, 2022, 06:08:54 am »

Gnostic Christianity

https://web.archive.org/web/20170207065044/http://aryanism.net/religion/christianity/

https://web.archive.org/web/20161219174757/http://aryanism.net/religion/christianity/words-of-jesus/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism
Posted by: guest63
« on: December 23, 2022, 04:30:18 am »

Is there any Christian denomination that Aryanism would recommend being a part of at this time?

I don't see any worth joining for my Christian friends at this point, so it might be better to start one's own church.
Posted by: christianbethel
« on: August 11, 2022, 08:39:10 am »

Read this for details: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/mormons-in-nazi-germany.html?andro=1&chrome=1
Posted by: guest63
« on: June 24, 2022, 01:29:35 pm »

Quote from: NSFAN on June 18, 2022, 12:50:13 pm
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The Old Testament of the Bible is considered part of the official canon of scripture for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a common misconception, that Mormons do not study or use the Bible. Mormons believe in and study the Bible (see Article of Faith #8), typically the King James Version (in English-speaking countries). In fact, the Old Testament is considered an "indispensable foundation" to understanding the ordinances and covenants (promises made with God) men make during this life. "The Old Testament is like the roots of a great scriptural tree, and one needs to know about the roots to comprehend the tree and its branches" (George A. Horton Jr., “An Indispensable Foundation,” Ensign, Mar. 2002, 38).

Importance of the Old Testament

The Old Testament consists of writings from ancient prophets who testified of Jehovah (Christ) and His ministry yet to come. It contains the records of the Creation, the Fall, and the great flood in Noah's day. It also tells some of the history Abraham and his descendants, as well as the covenant God made with Abraham and his posterity. The Old Testament teaches many important truths that must be understood to have a firm grasp of the gospel of Jesus Christ. It lays the foundation for the ancient covenants which have governed God's people since the beginning. The Old Testament is also important because all of the other official scriptures of the Church are rooted in it. The Old Testament was the history and heritage of those living in New Testament times. It was the contemporary history of much of the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon. Even the Doctrine and Covenants is better understood in light of the teachings of the Old Testament. Elder Joseph B. Wirthlin stated—

    We delight in the knowledge of the Lord that we find recorded in the Old and New Testaments. We know that Jehovah of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament are one and the same. We are grateful that this sacred record of God’s dealings with the people of ancient Israel ... has been preserved and passed to us to enlighten our minds and strengthen our spirits. The fragmentary nature of the biblical record and the errors in it, resulting from multiple transcriptions, translations, and interpretations, do not diminish our belief in it as the word of God “as far as it is translated correctly.” We read and study the Bible, we teach and preach from it, and we strive to live according to the eternal truths it contains. We love this collection of holy writ (“Christians in Belief and Action,” Ensign, Nov. 1996, 70).
https://www.mormonwiki.com/Old_Testament

Mormonism is just another form of Judeo-Christianity.

Compare Judeo-Christianity with:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/catharism-the-'good-christians'/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/gnosticism/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/gospel-of-thomas-why-is-it-not-in-the-bible/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/the-sacred-and-apocryphal-texts/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/some-very-compelling-evidence-the-tower-of-babel-was-real/

'Nope. Jesus is Not Yahweh' ~ Dr Bart Ehrman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfQ6bU6GYDw

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/jesus-said-'allah'-not-'deus-'/

I'm well aware that the Mormon Church is like that, but didn't National Socialist Germany treat them well due to their loyalty to the Reich?

National Socialist Germany had a better opinion of them than they did of the Catholics, Protestants, and Jehovah's Witnesses.
Posted by: guest78
« on: June 18, 2022, 12:50:13 pm »

Quote
The Old Testament of the Bible is considered part of the official canon of scripture for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is a common misconception, that Mormons do not study or use the Bible. Mormons believe in and study the Bible (see Article of Faith #8), typically the King James Version (in English-speaking countries). In fact, the Old Testament is considered an "indispensable foundation" to understanding the ordinances and covenants (promises made with God) men make during this life. "The Old Testament is like the roots of a great scriptural tree, and one needs to know about the roots to comprehend the tree and its branches" (George A. Horton Jr., “An Indispensable Foundation,” Ensign, Mar. 2002, 38).

Importance of the Old Testament

The Old Testament consists of writings from ancient prophets who testified of Jehovah (Christ) and His ministry yet to come. It contains the records of the Creation, the Fall, and the great flood in Noah's day. It also tells some of the history Abraham and his descendants, as well as the covenant God made with Abraham and his posterity. The Old Testament teaches many important truths that must be understood to have a firm grasp of the gospel of Jesus Christ. It lays the foundation for the ancient covenants which have governed God's people since the beginning. The Old Testament is also important because all of the other official scriptures of the Church are rooted in it. The Old Testament was the history and heritage of those living in New Testament times. It was the contemporary history of much of the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon. Even the Doctrine and Covenants is better understood in light of the teachings of the Old Testament. Elder Joseph B. Wirthlin stated—

    We delight in the knowledge of the Lord that we find recorded in the Old and New Testaments. We know that Jehovah of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament are one and the same. We are grateful that this sacred record of God’s dealings with the people of ancient Israel ... has been preserved and passed to us to enlighten our minds and strengthen our spirits. The fragmentary nature of the biblical record and the errors in it, resulting from multiple transcriptions, translations, and interpretations, do not diminish our belief in it as the word of God “as far as it is translated correctly.” We read and study the Bible, we teach and preach from it, and we strive to live according to the eternal truths it contains. We love this collection of holy writ (“Christians in Belief and Action,” Ensign, Nov. 1996, 70).
https://www.mormonwiki.com/Old_Testament

Mormonism is just another form of Judeo-Christianity.

Compare Judeo-Christianity with:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/catharism-the-'good-christians'/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/gnosticism/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/gospel-of-thomas-why-is-it-not-in-the-bible/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/the-sacred-and-apocryphal-texts/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/some-very-compelling-evidence-the-tower-of-babel-was-real/

'Nope. Jesus is Not Yahweh' ~ Dr Bart Ehrman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfQ6bU6GYDw

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/jesus-said-'allah'-not-'deus-'/


Posted by: guest63
« on: June 18, 2022, 05:31:08 am »

I know the Amish are notorious for torturing children, and the same with other Protestants and Catholics (i.e Christians who believe in original sin).

Despite Orthodox Christians not believing in original sin, the Orthodox Church is very tribalist, as talked about in previous threads.

What is the closest Christian (including Mormons) group that comes to the authentic teachings of Jesus that currently has some followers?

I haven't heard much discussion about Mormons in Aryanism. Mormons don't believe in original sin (generally, at least not the mainstream ones), but they are misogynist and have a history of racism and homophobia, and are notorious for confusing history. Nevertheless, they do have things in the Word of Wisdom that talk about avoiding drugs (alcohol and tobacco included), and are into pursuing more wholesome activities, such as board games, video games, etc.

That being said, they also against any kind of sexual activity (outside of heterosexual marriage) and profanity, and are strict about that. I've also heard mixed things about child-rearing in Mormonism as well.