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« on: October 02, 2025, 08:16:31 pm »Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 23, 2025, 06:53:52 pm »A world in which all "whites" were ultra-racist non-machinists could not have enacted Western colonialism despite wanting to.
A world in which all "whites" were slightly racist machinists would probably still have enacted Western colonialism.
The former is less dangerous.
A world in which all "whites" were slightly racist machinists would probably still have enacted Western colonialism.
The former is less dangerous.
Posted by: rp
« on: September 23, 2025, 05:49:32 pm »Yes. Say the machinist identified as "White". But that's pretty much the extent of his racism
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 23, 2025, 05:32:56 pm »When you say "considerably less racist", does that imply the machinist is still racist to a degree?
Posted by: rp
« on: September 23, 2025, 06:26:36 am »Whom do you consider worse, in ultra racist "White" non machinist, or a considerably less racist "White" machinist?
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 10, 2025, 04:17:35 pm »Non-machinists often also benefit from machines, but this does not make them "spiritual machinists", nor does it cause actual machinists to view them as machinists.
Similarly, I am cautious about using the term "spiritually "white"". That is why we have use term "Western" to refer to what you are describing. Westernness is about how you interact with the world. "Whiteness" is about how others interact with you.
As for reproductive access, many exoticism-seeking "whites" looking to reproduce with "non-whites" positively prefer FOB types (especially "white" men looking for "non-white" women). There are even cases of "non-white" women faking bad English accents etc. in order to appear more FOB as a technique to attract "white" men.....
Similarly, I am cautious about using the term "spiritually "white"". That is why we have use term "Western" to refer to what you are describing. Westernness is about how you interact with the world. "Whiteness" is about how others interact with you.
As for reproductive access, many exoticism-seeking "whites" looking to reproduce with "non-whites" positively prefer FOB types (especially "white" men looking for "non-white" women). There are even cases of "non-white" women faking bad English accents etc. in order to appear more FOB as a technique to attract "white" men.....
Posted by: rp
« on: September 10, 2025, 07:27:21 am »"But do they themselves benefit from it?"
From their perspective they do, as they gain reproductive access to "Whites". Operative phrase being "from their perspective", so it may be that they are in a similar situation as the "non White" MAGAs..
Also, the machinists benefit from the machines they create, from their perspective, as it brings them closer to immortality. For example, a Western medical researcher (medical machinist) would benefit, for example, from the testing of animals, if it allows them to develop drugs that increase longevity.
From their perspective they do, as they gain reproductive access to "Whites". Operative phrase being "from their perspective", so it may be that they are in a similar situation as the "non White" MAGAs..
Also, the machinists benefit from the machines they create, from their perspective, as it brings them closer to immortality. For example, a Western medical researcher (medical machinist) would benefit, for example, from the testing of animals, if it allows them to develop drugs that increase longevity.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 07, 2025, 11:17:03 pm »"many full blooded "non Whites" are "spiritually 'White'" (Western/progressive)"
But do they themselves benefit from it? Just as non-Jewish Zionists do not benefit from being pro-Zionist, "non-white" Westerners do not benefit from being pro-Western. Look at all the "non-white" MAGAs getting put into concentration camps by ICE every day! "Whiteness" is not about allegiance, but about being able to access benefits.
"I don't see how to cultivate a folkist mindset with such individuals."
We do not attempt to. They have chosen to not be part of the folk.
But do they themselves benefit from it? Just as non-Jewish Zionists do not benefit from being pro-Zionist, "non-white" Westerners do not benefit from being pro-Western. Look at all the "non-white" MAGAs getting put into concentration camps by ICE every day! "Whiteness" is not about allegiance, but about being able to access benefits.
"I don't see how to cultivate a folkist mindset with such individuals."
We do not attempt to. They have chosen to not be part of the folk.
Posted by: rp
« on: September 07, 2025, 10:12:40 pm »I agree with your points. My broader point was that the line between "White" and "non White" is becoming more blurry by the day. This is even more true with the fact that many full blooded "non Whites" are "spiritually 'White'" (Western/progressive). I get that the urgent matter is "White" genocide, but I don't see how to cultivate a folkist mindset with such individuals.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 07, 2025, 09:21:25 pm »In my estimation, Karp prior to becoming famous probably would have benefitted from "white" privilege (profiling etc.) on account of his name (German) and his appearance:
This would have been the case even if he were not Jewish. Would you disagree?
In contrast, I doubt Suleyman prior to becoming famous would have benefitted in any way from "white" privilege on account of either his name (Arabic) or his appearance:
Would you disagree?
I would say Hassabis prior to becoming famous had a slightly higher probability of benefitting from "white" privilege on account of his name (Greek) than Suleyman but a lower probability than Karp, while not benefitting on account of his appearance:
Would you disagree?
So no, Jewishness has nothing to do with it.
This would have been the case even if he were not Jewish. Would you disagree?
In contrast, I doubt Suleyman prior to becoming famous would have benefitted in any way from "white" privilege on account of either his name (Arabic) or his appearance:
Would you disagree?
I would say Hassabis prior to becoming famous had a slightly higher probability of benefitting from "white" privilege on account of his name (Greek) than Suleyman but a lower probability than Karp, while not benefitting on account of his appearance:
Would you disagree?
So no, Jewishness has nothing to do with it.
Posted by: rp
« on: September 07, 2025, 08:21:48 pm »I assume this is because of his Jewishness? Then I suppose other partially "White" machinists such as Hassabis and Suleyman would not be classified as "White" despite having "White ancestry...
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 07, 2025, 07:24:00 pm »"White", of course.
Posted by: rp
« on: September 07, 2025, 07:03:40 pm »"Physical extermination:"
I meant in terms of classification, as either "White" or "non White"
I meant in terms of classification, as either "White" or "non White"
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 07, 2025, 06:23:19 pm »"Where would you place partially "White" machinists such as Alex Karp (Jew)?"
Physical extermination:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Karp
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/
"Also, it is worth noting that the most prominent machinists are either partially "White" or have reproduced with "non Whites""
This fits a broader pattern:
Physical extermination:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Karp
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In 2024 The New York Times quoted Karp, saying that he and his company Palantir have "a consistently pro-Western view, that the West has a superior way of living and organizing itself".[8]
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Karp has condemned "woke" ways of thinking, calling them the central risk to his company Palantir, and to the United States as a whole.[44] He has called Palantir a "counter-example" to companies he considers "woke".[44]
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He said that he and Palantir are "active in defending the values of the West" and "our belief that the West is a superior way to live".[44] He defended Palantir's contract with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) during the controversy over family separations
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He said the U.S. government should have a strong hand in tech regulation[46] and that western countries should dominate AI research.[47]
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Karp made a number of remarks on the Gaza war strongly supporting Israel. He has strongly condemned the 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses, calling their views a "pagan religion" and "an infection inside of our society".[48][49]
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Palantir announced that they would set aside 180 positions for Jewish college graduates, citing alleged antisemitism on college campuses related to the protests.[44][50][8]
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/
"Also, it is worth noting that the most prominent machinists are either partially "White" or have reproduced with "non Whites""
This fits a broader pattern: