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Posted by: rp
« on: November 04, 2024, 05:39:40 pm »

I like this paragraph from JJ's blog post:
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To make unambiguous how deeply rooted these problems are, even should Western Civilization—including “whiteness”—ever disappear from Europe, Western Civilization itself will not necessarily die so long as China, India, and others reiterate Japan’s mistake, and we should not underestimate their proclivity to do so. Many Americans believe that China only began Westernizing after it gave up on communism. In fact, Maoists were pro-Western on many issues (especially education) except economics and democracy; indeed, Mao Zedong had to at first present communism itself to the masses as an “alternative form of Western government” (Marx being an apparent ‘Westerner’) because Western governmental forms were all that the masses were interested in during the early 20th century. Sun Yatsen was even more pro-Western, particularly pro-democracy. Even back in the Qing Dynasty there was enthusiasm towards Western education along with ideas of establishing constitutional monarchy.


Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: July 17, 2024, 06:07:44 pm »

The cruel ones were the Westernized ones (who hence looked down on other "non-whites" for being less Westernized than themselves):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/shimabara-rebellion-the-christian-revolt-that-isolated-medieval-japan-2645/msg13827/#msg13827

Basically, there were two camps in Japan:

https://authenticamericandream.blogspot.com/2018/03/countering-pacific-pivot.html

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Admittedly, there continued to exist among the Japanese the old pro-Western camp who merely desired for a nominal Co-Prosperity Sphere to end up as a Japanese colonial empire such that Japan could be recognized as a fellow Western power. However, there also existed among the Japanese a sincere anti-Western camp who wished for Japan to turn over a new leaf and leave the Western-inspired days of the 19th century behind.

Japan did not win WWII, and therefore the two camps never reached the stage when they would have clashed. But why do Western historians neglect to draw attention to the latter camp, while giving so much attention to the former? The reason is simple: fear of an anti-Western alliance re-forming in the Sinosphere.
Posted by: Mujahid
« on: July 17, 2024, 05:01:12 pm »

It is a shame they had to be so cruel in the East as a lot of the ideology they preached sounded amazing.
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: July 17, 2024, 10:26:19 am »

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Over the course of the 1930s, Japan began exercising military might — even in violation of international orders through the League of Nations — as it invaded China and the Korean Peninsula. By the time of the second Sino-Japanese War in 1937, many Westerners had developed strong anti-Japanese sentiments. Yet African American sentiments sometimes varied from the mainstream, and organizations like the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World (PMEW) promised equality and land distribution under Japanese rule. Horne details how African Americans, frustrated with the Jim Crow laws of the 1930s and 1940s United States, hoped for liberation from white supremacy with the arrival of the Japanese Imperial Army, despite the Army’s brutal treatment of citizens of occupied countries.

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Gerald Horne ’70 Details Afro-Asian Solidarity During WWII. (2018, February 16). Princeton Alumni Weekly. https://paw.princeton.edu/article/gerald-horne-70-details-afro-asian-solidarity-during-wwii

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The Pacific Movement of the Eastern World (PMEW) was a 1930s North American based pro-Japanese movement of African Americans which promoted the idea that Japan was the champion of all non-white peoples.

The Japanese ultra-nationalist Black Dragon Society was an influence upon the PMEW. The Black Dragon Society was a paramilitary organization, with close ties to Japan, which viewed the United States as Japan's enemy in World War II. The organization was frequently taken advantage of by one of its founders, Ashima Takis, who ultimately was arrested for embezzling funds from the group

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Wikipedia contributors. (2024, April 14). Pacific Movement of the Eastern World. In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 15:24, July 17, 2024, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pacific_Movement_of_the_Eastern_World&oldid=1218895362

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It would have reflected the policy of the imperial Japanese government. Japan saw itself as a “ Champion of the Darker Races “ then. During the Treaty of Versailles at the end of World War 1, Japan suggested legislation to end racial discrimination which the League of Nations rejected. In the 1930s, the Japanese government sent a retired major named Satokata Takahashi to the United States to get the support of African Americans. He was a member of the Black Dragon Society, a group committed to advancing Japan's imperial goals in Asia. In Detroit, Takahashi met a Black woman named Pearl Sherrod , a Pan Africanist who was a member of the Allah Temple of Islam ( yes the Nation of Islam led by Elijah Muhammad. ) Sherrod was drawn by Takahashi's progressive views about African Americans and together they formed an organization called The Development of Our Own , which Fard Muhammad endorsed. They later got married. Takahashi spoke before several Black nationalist organizations, convincing them to advocate an Afro-Asian alliance. He told them the imperial Japanese army would help Black people in America fight racism. When the FBI discovered Takahashi's mission, he was arrested and deported.

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What was the imperial Japanese army’s policy towards black people? (2019). Quora. https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-imperial-Japanese-armys-policy-towards-black-people