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Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 23, 2026, 08:16:32 pm »

So you are saying a non-machinist Westerner would find children sharing rooms unproblematic, but a machinist Westerner would find it problematic? If so, why?
Posted by: rp
« on: February 22, 2026, 11:08:13 pm »

"Please elaborate"
For example, children sharing rooms is considered to be  a failure of parents' responsibility in Western countries today, even if children do not object to the set up.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 22, 2026, 05:11:16 pm »

"machinists would probably classify consensual activities among non machinists as "tyranny"."

Please elaborate.
Posted by: rp
« on: February 22, 2026, 09:48:50 am »

"Unless you mean a machinist would find parental tyranny by non-machinist parents intolerable, but parental tyranny by machinist parents tolerable?"
This. Also the fact that machinists would probably classify consensual activities among non machinists as "tyranny".
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 21, 2026, 08:46:34 pm »

I started by assuming you meant non-machinist tyrannical parents would be stopped by other non-machinists. Nevertheless, you said:

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Eventually this would lead to a scenario where capitalists/machinists (mostly "Whites" btw) end up getting away with parental tyranny while the poor/non-machinists (mostly "non Whites") do not.

The part in bold suggests that a machinist who is also a tyrannical parent would use a machine to prevent their own door from being penetrated. But another machinist could penetrate their door.

So if non-machinist tyrannical parents can be stopped by machinists and non-machinists, whereas machinist tyrannical parents can be stopped by machinists, machinist tyrannical parents can still be stopped provided anti-parental-tyranny people include some machinists. For the part in bold to be true would require no machinists to be among anti-parental-tyranny people. But if so, from where comes the machinist stopping the non-machinist tyrannical parents (whom you have just clarified exists)?

Unless you mean a machinist would find parental tyranny by non-machinist parents intolerable, but parental tyranny by machinist parents tolerable?
Posted by: rp
« on: February 21, 2026, 07:29:44 pm »

"In theory it is surely possible for a machinist to be against the tyranny of a non-machinist parent and use a machine to get through the door?"
Yes. This is what I tried to get at with my post. Did it suggest otherwise?
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 21, 2026, 04:59:22 pm »

"Eventually this would lead to a scenario where capitalists/machinists (mostly "Whites" btw) end up getting away with parental tyranny while the poor/non-machinists (mostly "non Whites") do not."

In theory it is surely possible for a machinist to be against the tyranny of a non-machinist parent and use a machine to get through the door?

"What about in the future where have an Aryan imperium, when the entire world is under Aryanist control."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-3248/msg31037/#msg31037

"I assume euthanasia would be legal?"

Yes, except for those in the middle of a task which they have promised to complete first, whereupon euthanasia would be desertion.
Posted by: rp
« on: February 21, 2026, 03:26:20 pm »

"What about those who do not want to live under such a state? They can choose to leave whenever they want, provided their reproductive potential is surgically removed first. Anyone concerned about parental tyranny, even those themselves not intending to reproduce anyway, should agree to this, since they would be aware that without this others would leave and then reproduce and then practice parental tyranny."
What about in the future where have an Aryan imperium, when the entire world is under Aryanist control. I assume euthanasia would be legal?
Posted by: rp
« on: February 21, 2026, 03:17:11 pm »

"Everyone would then start reinforcing their doors to withstand battering rams. And then everyone would have to keep explosives to overcome the reinforced doors. And so on."
Eventually this would lead to a scenario where capitalists/machinists (mostly "Whites" btw) end up getting away with parental tyranny while the poor/non-machinists (mostly "non Whites") do not. Which is why "Whites" (including Jews, such as Chomsky as the OP mentioned) support anarchism.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 21, 2026, 02:25:42 pm »

The critical commenters are trying* to become consistent anarchists. But even if they themselves do so, how do they deal with those who do not?

(* A genuinely consistent anarchist would not reproduce in the first place, of course.)

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Should I be able to tell you what time to go to bed?

You should not. So if you have a child and do not tell the child when to go to bed, so far so good. But then you hear your neighbour telling their child when to go to bed. Now what? In a stateless society (which is what anarchists want), you would have to intervene personally. But what if your neighbour does not answer the door? Do you keep a battering ram ready for such scenarios? But if everyone has a battering ram, it would also become possible for anyone to enter neighbours' homes for unjustified reasons. No one would feel safe despite having a door. Everyone would then start reinforcing their doors to withstand battering rams. And then everyone would have to keep explosives to overcome the reinforced doors. And so on. Would it therefore not be less absurd to have a state, so you can just call the police instead (or better yet, the state provides alternative food/lodging/etc. for children in the first place)? This is why we are not anarchists. Preventing parental tyranny is most efficiently achieved by the state.

What about those who do not want to live under such a state? They can choose to leave whenever they want, provided their reproductive potential is surgically removed first. Anyone concerned about parental tyranny, even those themselves not intending to reproduce anyway, should agree to this, since they would be aware that without this others would leave and then reproduce and then practice parental tyranny.

Welcome to National Socialism.
Posted by: rp
« on: February 21, 2026, 09:23:56 am »

I saw this anarchist post on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchy101/comments/11azwcl/anarchocommunism_and_authority_parent_to_child/

Commenters calling the OP out:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchy101/comments/11azwcl/comment/j9wrgj9/
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1.) Everyone, including those who are not anarchists, think that the authorities they support are justified. This is a terrible definition of anarchism.

2.) It's not absurd to suggest that child is entitled to autonomy any more than it would be absurd to suggest that adults are. Why should someone be able to "assign" duties to a child any more than I could "assign" you duties? Should I be able to tell you what time to go to bed? when and if to go to school? you give these examples as if it's just plainly obvious that children are the exception.

"it seems obvious" doesn't seem to be "justification" which is what you said you would require to have authority. You wouldn't allow someone to have arbitrary authority over you with simply "it seems obvious I should" would you? so why do you accept this in the case of children?
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: January 31, 2026, 06:01:43 pm »

The inferiority of Western scientists (compared to the prestige they receive from Western society) never ceases to amaze me. Why not simply think back to when you were a baby? Were you afraid of snakes? That is all you need to arrive at the same conclusion!

Instead, I am worried about what violence was initiated by the Western scientists against the snakes in the experiment (were their teeth removed?) prior to them being placed in proximity to the babies.

And why snakes in particular? (Not that I am requesting similar experiments involving other animals!!) The whole thing is just Western scientists projecting their own biases.
Posted by: rp
« on: January 31, 2026, 10:19:40 am »

https://x.com/i/status/2017196541241352359 (video at link)
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Scientists proved that human babies aren’t born afraid of snakes.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 04, 2025, 12:36:08 am »

Here we go again with False Leftism. False Leftist anti-racism/anti-sexism was based on claiming that "white" supremacists/patriarchists are wrong in their assessment of "non-whites'"/women's ability to maintain Western civilization if allowed into positions of power, instead of arguing that the death of Western civilization ASAP is what any ethical person should want. Now on schooling, its claim is:
 
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As a child, I remember teachers and parents telling me that my brain is like a “sponge”, so it’s important to be exposed to as much as possible during these critical years of my life, because after this, learning becomes slow and arduous.

This theory of mind, then, is the life-raft of the otherwise foundation-less education system. It justifies shuttling batches of thirty kids from classroom to classroom for the entirety of their youth. Exams, curricula, and age-based learning are all natural extensions of the belief that there is a critical age at which kids absorb knowledge. So too, is coercion. As it turns out, this theory of mind is entirely false.

But what if it isn't? Do we then accept compulsory schooling? This is why I can't stand False Leftism. A convincing rejection of compulsory schooling must begin by assuming that all the benefits of compulsory schooling posited by rightists are true, and then arguing that all these benefits do not justify initiating violence. This is True Leftism.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg216/#msg216

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg6195/#msg6195

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg26888/#msg26888
Posted by: rp
« on: October 04, 2025, 12:02:00 am »

https://takingchildrenseriously.com/free-to-learn-the-immorality-of-compulsory-schools/
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Free to learn: the immorality of compulsory schools
Christian Dean
“The school system isn’t wrong in the sense that it’s further from the truth than Karl Popper. It’s wrong like the Catholic Church was wrong in refusing to accept Galileo’s heliocentrism and in locking him up so as to protect their worldview. It doesn’t capture any part of reality, and because of this it doesn’t solve any problems. In fact, it causes more problems than it could ever hope to solve.”
– Christian Dean


     

A peculiar meme seems to have dominated throughout human history, namely, that there always exists some demographic that is less than human. First it was race; then, women. Now, the final demographic desperately waiting for equal moral standing is children.

Today, the institutional instantiation of this meme, of course, is the education system. From the age of five, children are placed on a conveyor belt—tedious for some, torturous for many—until they alight in possession of what authorities have deemed “an education”.

Most would agree that a state of ignorance never justifies coercion, yet for reasons I shall explain below, this courtesy extends only to the point of puberty.

A false theory of mind

Rather than analyse the history of the school system, I think it more fruitful to analyse the current philosophical ideas that are justifying this treatment of children in the minds of adults. After all, we are all prone to err, but something is preventing this error from being corrected.

That something, I believe, is what Sir Karl Popper called, ‘The Bucket Theory of Mind’. The theory is as follows:

Knowledge can be transferred with high fidelity from one mind to another. In other words, the mind is like a bucket into which knowledge can be poured.

As a child, I remember teachers and parents telling me that my brain is like a “sponge”, so it’s important to be exposed to as much as possible during these critical years of my life, because after this, learning becomes slow and arduous.

This theory of mind, then, is the life-raft of the otherwise foundation-less education system. It justifies shuttling batches of thirty kids from classroom to classroom for the entirety of their youth. Exams, curricula, and age-based learning are all natural extensions of the belief that there is a critical age at which kids absorb knowledge. So too, is coercion. As it turns out, this theory of mind is entirely false.