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Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: Today at 09:11:52 am »

Hitler’s View of Christianity

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In August 1924, while imprisoned in Landsberg Prison, Adolf Hitler privately told Rudolf Hess that he had to camouflage his opposition to religion, just as he had to conceal his hostility toward alcohol.

During a discussion in which Hess and other Nazis were debating their positions regarding the Protestant Church, Hitler remained silent. Later, however, he confided to Hess how he truly felt. Although Hitler found it distasteful to behave like a religious hypocrite, he believed he could not openly criticize the church, because doing so might alienate many people.

Source:

Rudolf Hess to Ilse Pröhl, August 20, 1924, in Rudolf Hess Briefe 1908–1933, edited by Wolf Rüdiger Hess (Munich: Langen Müller, 1987), pp. 350–351.

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In 1927, Hitler corresponded with a Catholic priest who had previously supported Nazism but by this time had some misgivings. Hitler contradicted the priest's claim that Christianity had brought an end to Roman barbarism. Instead, Hitler insisted that Christianity was even more barbaric than the Romans had been, killing hundreds of thousands for their heretical beliefs. He then rattled off a list of Christian atrocities: killing the Aztecs and Incas, slave hunts during medieval times, and enslaving millions of black Africans.

Translated from German to English with ChatGPT :

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...followed the collapse of Rome were often far more barbaric in their customs: that to the 68 torches of Nero were added 100,000 stakes of burning; to the martyrs of Christianity, millions of tortured victims; to the gladiatorial combats, tournaments often no less cruel; to the animal hunts, the human hunts against the Aztecs and the Incas; to ancient slavery, the slave hunts of the Middle Ages and the transplantation of millions of Blacks to the American continent.

And all this in times when there was no liberal state, but when the Church itself appeared as the highest political power.

- Adolf Hitler, Letter to Mr. Gött Magnus, Beneficiary of Lehenbühl, 2 March 1927.

Original text :

„… daß die Jahrhunderte, die nach Roms Zusammenbruch kamen, in den Sitten noch viel barbarischer waren, daß den 68 Fackeln eines Nero 100 000 von Scheiterhaufen folgten, den Märtyrern des Christentums Millionen von Gefolterten, den Gladiatorenkämpfen oft nicht minder grausamen Turniere, den Tierhetzen die Menschenjagden auf Azteken und Inkas, der antiken Sklaverei die Sklavenjagden des Mittelalters, die Verpflanzung von Millionen Negern auf den amerikanischen Kontinent

Und das alles in Zeiten, in denen es keinen liberalen Staat gab, sondern die Kirche selbst als höchster politischer Machtfaktor in Erscheinung trat.“


Source :

Paul Hoser, Hitler und die katholische Kirche. Zwei Briefe aus dem Jahr 1927, Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte 42, 3 (1994): 489

https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1994_3.pdf

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Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary that Adolf Hitler not only wanted to officially withdraw from the Catholic Church, but even intended to “wage war against it” at a later time.

However, Hitler understood that leaving the Catholic Church at that moment would create a major scandal and would undermine his chances of gaining political power. Rather than commit political suicide, he preferred to wait for a more favorable moment before moving against the churches.

Goebbels, for his part, was convinced that a decisive day would eventually come when he, Hitler, and other Nazi leaders would collectively withdraw from the Church.

Source:

Joseph Goebbels, diary entry for September 12, 1931, in Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels, edited by Elke Fröhlich, Part I: Aufzeichnungen 1923–1941, Vol. 2/II: June 1931–September 1932 (Munich: K. G. Saur, 2004), p. 96.

Original German provided and originally translated by Richard Weikart:

Auch er möchte aus der kath. Kirche austreten. Will sogar später einmal den Kampf dagegen durchführen. Aber der Zeitpunkt! An den Zeitpunkten werden wir nochmal kaputt gehen. Zum Kotzen! Wir Führer sollen uns eines Tages geschlossen in diesem Christenverein abmelden. Na, das gäbe ja einen Skandal.

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In September 1931, Joseph Goebbels recorded in his diary that Adolf Hitler wished to withdraw from the Catholic Church but was waiting for the right moment. Hitler’s intention seemed to excite Goebbels, even though he acknowledged that such a step would cause a scandal. Nevertheless, Goebbels relished the idea that he, Hitler, and other Nazi leaders might one day leave the churches en masse. He also wrote that Hitler “even wants sometime later to carry out the fight against it [the Catholic Church].”

Source:

Goebbels, diary entry of September 12, 1931, in Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels, edited by Elke Fröhlich, Part I: Aufzeichnungen 1923–1941, Vol. 2/II: June 1931–September 1932 (Munich: K. G. Saur, 2004), p. 96.

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In January 1937, Goebbels was present with Hitler during an internal discussion on religion and later reported in his diary: “The Führer thinks Christianity is ripe for destruction. That may still take a long time, but it is coming.”

Source:

Goebbels, diary entry for January 5, 1937, in Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels, edited by Elke Fröhlich, Part I: Aufzeichnungen 1923–1941, Vol. 3/II: March 1936–February 1937 (Munich: K. G. Saur, 2001), p. 316.

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In a private conversation with Goebbels just a few days after Christmas in 1939, Hitler referred to “positive Christianity” in a far more cynical tone than in his pious public pronouncements.

This does not tell us what Hitler thought about positive Christianity in the 1920s, when he used the term more freely, but it still provides insight into his perspective in 1939 (only ten months after he had publicly equated positive Christianity with Nazi social programs).

In this conversation, Goebbels complained to Hitler about the churches. Hitler expressed sympathy for Goebbels’ anti-church attitude but told him that he would not take any action during the war. He then suggested another approach:

“The best way to finish off the churches is to pretend to be a more positive Christian.”

Source:

Goebbels’ diary entry, December 28, 1939, in Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels, edited by Elke Fröhlich, Part I: Aufzeichnungen 1923–1941, Vol. 7: July 1939–March 1940 (Munich: K. G. Saur, 1998), p. 248.

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Alfred Rosenberg noted in his diary that Adolf Hitler once cited Arthur Schopenhauer as the source of the saying that “antiquity did not know two evils: Christianity and syphilis.”

Rosenberg, who was himself an admirer of Schopenhauer, apparently was unsure whether this quotation actually came from Schopenhauer, since he placed a question mark next to it in his diary.

Joseph Goebbels recorded the same conversation in his own diary, but he remembered Hitler phrasing the statement somewhat differently. According to Goebbels, Hitler said that “Christianity and syphilis made humanity unhappy and unfree.”

Sources:

1. Rosenberg, diary entry for April 9, 1941, in Alfred Rosenberg Diary, p. 531, (accessed January 22, 2014).

2. Goebbels, diary entry for April 8, 1941, in Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels, edited by Elke Fröhlich, Part I: Aufzeichnungen 1923–1941, Vol. 9: December 1940–July 1941 (Munich: K. G. Saur, 1998), p. 234.

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On December 13, 1941—two days after declaring war on the United States—Hitler told his Gauleiters (district leaders) that he intended to annihilate the Jews, but that he would postpone his campaign against the churches until after the war, when he would deal with them. According to Alfred Rosenberg, both on that day and the following day Hitler’s monologues focused primarily on what he called the “problem of Christianity.” Rosenberg even underlined this phrase in his diary.

Sources:

1. Goebbels, diary entry for December 13, 1941, in Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels, edited by Elke Fröhlich, Part II: Diktate 1941–1945, Vol. 2: October–December 1941 (Munich: K. G. Saur, 1996), pp. 498–500.

2. Rosenberg, diary entry for December 14, 1941, in Alfred Rosenberg Diary, p. 625, accessed January 22, 2014, at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum archives.
Posted by: Anti-Newsmax
« on: February 25, 2026, 06:56:53 pm »

Newsmax shows schematic for sustainable evil.

Posted by: rp
« on: January 23, 2026, 08:35:25 pm »

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: January 15, 2026, 05:41:11 pm »

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: January 08, 2026, 06:29:03 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pVO-lBvAO8

I have no problem agreeing that Yahweh would prefer the oil controlled by a country with more machinism than by a country with less machinism:

Posted by: SodaPop
« on: November 12, 2025, 11:26:46 am »

Civilization #24: Resurrecting the Gnostic Jesus
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Who was the historical Jesus, and what did he believe? 

In this talk to his Chinese high school students, Jiang Xueqin argues that Jesus was a unique religious genius who synthesized the major global religions of his day to create a new religion, which we today refer to as Gnosticism. 

Like other great religious leaders, Jesus had a three-tier gospel.  To the public, he taught that true faith demanded compassion.  To his disciples, he taught that true faith demanded self-sacrifice. 

Then there were the secret teachings that he shared with his proteges.  Jesus believed that we lived in a false reality, and it was only by seeking truth that we could escape from the darkness into the light. 

How did the New Testament diverge so sharply from Jesus’ true teachings?  This is a topic that will be examined next class.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bXHBT5NTfc
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 11, 2025, 07:40:49 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNIOxyS3A5E

(I never understood why False Leftists (understandably!) disillusioned with the behaviour of Judeo-Christian churches turned to atheism rather than Gnosticism.)
Posted by: rp
« on: September 28, 2025, 09:59:18 pm »


Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 19, 2025, 07:37:17 pm »

More leftists beginning to glimpse what we figured out in the 00s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk0tLqDWPiI

What Favors call the "god of liberation" is God. What she calls the "god of whiteness" is Yahweh.

Woke comment:

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They have never had a conversation with GOD. It's the devil they talk to, pure evil

Contrast with False Leftist comment:

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The problem isn’t that MAGA worships a different Jesus. The problem is that anyone follows Jesus at all.

False Leftism will never defeat rightism. Only True Leftism has any chance of defeating rightism.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 28, 2025, 08:57:34 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tazKmtNsbM0

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4254/?topicseen#msg4254

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Perrotta points out that material wealth is highly valued in the Old Testament; the Hebrews seek it and God promises to bless them with it if they will follow his commandments.[12] Joseph Francis Kelly writes that biblical writers leave no doubt that God enabled men such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Solomon to achieve wealth and that this wealth was a sign of divine favor.
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Jesus explicitly condemns excessive love of wealth as an intrinsic evil in various passages in the Gospels, especially in Luke (Luke 16:10–15 being an especially clear example). He also consistently warns of the danger of riches as a hindrance to favor with God
Posted by: FiredForJewishness?
« on: May 29, 2025, 07:11:38 pm »

Trump admin fired Kennedy Center worker 'for Christian Jewish beliefs' after CNN report
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A far-right political activist was fired from a senior leadership role at the Kennedy Center just hours after CNN started asking about his past anti-gay statements and conspiracy theories about Barack Obama.

Floyd Brown, whose appointment to the role was never formally announced, previously called homosexuality “a punishment” against the U.S. and condemned the legality of gay sex, in addition to calling Obama a Muslim and questioning his birth certificate, and CNN's KFile reported that he was ousted after those past statements were publicized.

“I refused to recant and was shown the door,” Brown posted on X. “[Kennedy Center interim president Rick Grenell] preemptively fired me for my Christian Jewish beliefs on marriage."

Grenell did not respond to a request for comment, but a source familiar with the Kennedy Center confirmed to CNN that Brown, a co-founder of the conservative nonprofit Citizens United, is no longer there and insisted Grenell did not know him or have any involvement in his hiring.

Brown’s leadership role waslisted on his LinkedIn page and his appointment was confirmed by several sources involved with the Kennedy Center.

In addition to his role in founding Citizens United, Brown helped to produce the infamous and racially charged Willie Horton ad during the 1988 presidential campaign and more recently was executive director of Young America’s Foundation.

Brown worked at the Kennedy Center for about a month, according to sources, and donors and staffer had expressed concerns about him potentially driving away the center’s more frequent and core donors in favor of traditional political donors.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-admin-fired-kennedy-center-worker-for-christian-beliefs-after-cnn-report/ar-AA1FJ1A1?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=9158d4dec6da43b1a262871d2f774782&ei=28#comments

I'm guessing the ADL won't be touching this one, just like they steer clear of condemning actual anti-Semitism, not just anti-Jewishness?

Comments:

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He was fired for his Jewish beliefs. Anti-Homosexuality is in the Old Testament\Hebrew Torah, not in the New Testament.
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Floyd Brown is not a Christian no matter what he says! To be a Christian you need to believe in the teachings of our Savior Jesus Christ. Jesus never mentions homosexuality, not even once! But he did command, and command is a strong word, that we love one another as he loved us! He most definitley did not say love one another except for this or that type of sinner! (???) Our Savior socializes with sinners! Christians know that the covenant with our Lord God changed on the cross! There is no such thing as an "Old Testament" Christian!

We could add to the last comment:

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If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:26
Posted by: christianbethel
« on: May 10, 2025, 08:02:12 pm »

Perhaps he will penalize the myriads of sexual abusers of children that 'flourished' during the eighties and nineties, or reinstate Jews as the murderers of Jesus.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: May 09, 2025, 09:48:49 pm »

I understand what you are saying about Leo, but I am just saying we don't need to be afraid to criticize Leo from the left. I hope he can be an improvement over Francis, whom I will always despise:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg19505/?topicseen#msg19505
'
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg18384/?topicseen#msg18384

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/06/pope-francis-parents-ok-smack-children-dignity

and who deserves eternal hellfire.
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: May 09, 2025, 09:27:21 pm »

@90sRetroFan To be honest, I don't think him being a registered Republican means all that much, since it appears that he's always been openly critical of Trump. He appears to resemble counterculture era Republicanism much more than the current, MAGA era Republicanism. I would maybe go so far as to place him on the left side of the political spectrum (although obviously just barely), considering his relatively compassionate stance towards immigrants and refugees, and his presumed lack of explicit ethnotribalism.

Obviously his stances on LGBT people and women aren't where they should be, but I would argue that this is actually strategically beneficial for us. If Leo XIV were to become fully and unambiguously pro-LGBT and anti-sexist, it would very clearly contradict the Old Testament, and the letters written by Paul in the New Testament. This flagrant contradiction could potentially turn many Catholic and non-Catholic Christians away from viewing Leo XIV as an authority on matters that actually DO align with the current iteration of the Bible, and that Leo XIV sincerely possesses, such as the New Testament stance on compassion, and its stance against tribalism. If he wanted to avoid contradictions surrounding LGBT people and women, he would have to discard the Old Testament and the letters from Paul entirely, essentially deconverting from Catholicism. So this is actually the best-case scenario for an authority figure who wishes to remain Catholic.

So seeing as how Leo XIV appears to be continuing Francis's surprisingly admirable legacy, I actually feel quite optimistic about Catholicism potentially being a positive force that can push Catholic Republicans, and Christian Republicans more generally, further back to the left. Leo XIV's exact position on the political spectrum is currently the best way that we can expect a pope to help us undo the MAGA era of Republicanism
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: May 09, 2025, 07:30:30 pm »

MAGA reaction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJVbHBhX4Fw

I was unaware that Leo is registered as a Republican, but I suppose that reinforces my point that Leo isn't even that left-leaning.

Serious terminology to MAGA terminology translator:

Christianity: "Marxism"
Judaism : "Christianity"