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Posted by: Schwartze Katze
« on: March 02, 2024, 06:02:47 pm »

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I think that gene editing and transhumanism will convert rightists to something much closer to our conception of race, instead of what they have historically (and erroneously) labeled as race.

I would agree with others, especially my favorite Jungian Analytical Psychologist C.S. Joseph, that trans-humanism and singularity before ever even fully understanding the cognitive functions of the human mind, and especially the Demon Function, will lead to absolute disaster:

Why Should You Learn to Master Your Demon? | CS Joseph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_4Z-7fajFQ

This also ties into what I was asking in this thread: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/the-farmer's-mind-and-jungian-analytical-psychology/msg25300/#new

Related?:

Love and Light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA0lKHpaBxg

Demons can become Angels but it takes mastery...

The Shadow - Carl Jung's Warning to The World
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Carl Jung warns us against the dangers of the shadow (the unknown dark side of our personality). We must acknowledge our shadow and enter into long and difficult negotiations with it through shadow work. Only then can we become conscious of the collective shadow (the unknown dark side of mankind) and not fall prey to it.

Exploring our shadow allows us to rescue the good qualities that lie dormant within us, which improves our lives and the lives of those around us. We can then face the collective shadow and take responsibility to address the denial of important issues and a lack of individual and collective initiative.

Telling the truth is the most desirable way to deal with a difficult past, rather than dismissing the atrocities and having the shadow grow blacker until it can no grow no more, and thus history repeats itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhzBo0dZNpY
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: March 02, 2024, 04:22:47 pm »

I think that progressive Yahwism may eliminate most forms of superiority-based ethnotribalism (in particular, white “nationalism”). Regardless of whether “white” people actually are more intelligent and prone to innovation than other groups, I think that the white nationalist who makes a case for the preservation of their “race” from that particular perspective of “We are the best, we are the carriers of western civilization, we are the ones destined to explore the universe”, isn’t thinking far ahead enough

First of all, gene editing will almost certainly be a widespread thing sometime soon, and most people will want their hands in that pie, regardless of whether they’re “white” or not. And neoconservatives who believe that they did the non-western world a favor by introducing westernization, even those who believe in “race” realism, will simply switch over to promoting gene editing that selects for intelligence and machinism in the descendants of non-whites. Paleoconservative white nationalists who don’t want non-whites to be on equal footing will probably protest against this, but will most likely be unable to prevent this from happening

However, even the gene editing scenario is STILL too shortsighted, as I believe that transhumanism and the singularity will most likely supplant gene editing, before hyperintelligent designer babies even have a chance to become the norm. If you’re a progressive, why stop at simply “improving” human biology through gene editing, when you can create something that surpasses the human body itself? Ethnotribalism/“racism” wouldn’t even make sense as an impulse anymore, when you no longer have a human body to begin with

Ultimately, I think that progressive Yahwism will probably be our primary, longstanding enemy for the foreseeable future, rather than “white” nationalism or any other form of ethnotribalism. Actually, I think that gene editing and transhumanism will convert rightists to something much closer to our conception of race, instead of what they have historically (and erroneously) labeled as race. After all, a “white” progressivist/machinist/traditionalist has more in common with a “black” progressivist/machinist/traditionalist, than they do with a white-passing person who instinctively despises all three of those things. And they’ll no longer be able to deny this, once everyone has been forced to be on equal footing, regardless of ethnic background
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 15, 2023, 07:15:32 pm »

Note that Niekisch views Hitler as too similar to the eternal Roman archetype for his liking:

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what Niekisch decries in his 1932 book Hitler: ein deutsches Verhängnis, namely, Hitler’s bourgeois and southern German, Catholic style that easily accommodated itself to Italian Fascism

This academically agrees with what I was saying here:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/our-enemies-admit-hitler-was-not-rightist-but-judaism-is/

except of course I consider this to be positive. Hitler's own praise of the Roman Empire has also been extensively covered in the past, and is in contrast to our enemies' view:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/the-ancient-rolemodels-of-our-enemies/msg22128/#msg22128
Posted by: machinist plague
« on: November 15, 2023, 06:47:36 pm »

Progressive yahwism and the endlessly news machines that it produces must be annihilated from the face of the earth. The only way to deal with this thousand headed dragon is with the utmost ruthlessness.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 15, 2023, 11:55:40 am »

Enemy article on combining Duginism with machinism:

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2023/11/14/the-battle-between-the-eternal-roman-and-the-eternal-jew-selections-from-ernst-niekischs-die-dritte-part-1-of-2-imperiale-figur-the-third-imperial-figure-1935/

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Ernst Niekisch (1889–1967) was a German writer who first belonged to the Social Democratic Party of Germany and was vigorously opposed to the Western powers represented by the Treaty of Versailles and the Locarno Treaties. In his belief that the strongest opposition to the decadent West would be an alliance of the Prussian Germans and the Russians he formed his own political circle called “National Bolshevism.” His National Bolshevist ideology was expressed in various articles that he published in his own journal Widerstand and in the books he wrote between 1925 and 1931. In 1932, he published a study of Hitler’s movement called Hitler: ein deutsches Verhängnis (Hitler: A German Calamity) and in 1935 the present work, Die dritte imperiale Figur. In light of his opposition to Hitler as a bourgeois demagogue, his journal Widerstand was banned in December 1934 and he himself was arrested in 1937. He was convicted of literary high treason in 1939 and sentenced to life imprisonment.

Hail Hitler!

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Niekisch hopes that, in the modern world, the industrial workers will ally themselves with the unspoiled Slavic and Tartar peoples and constitute a third imperial figure, the technological “worker.” Niekisch’s “third imperial figure” is inspired by Bolshevist notions as well as by Ernst Jünger’s modernist and futurist conception of the technological worker in his 1932 work Der Arbeiter. Niekisch’s ideal of a “third imperial figure” fortified by modern technological skills who will be able to supersede the eternal Jew and the eternal Roman
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modern technology, like the earlier mechanical industry, is only a handmaiden of the bourgeois commercial interests. As Niekisch himself notes, industrial and technological advances are never indeed the main aim of the Western civilization that has come under the spell of the economic reason:

The technological apparatus is, as elaborately as it may have been constructed, only a Western by-product; it was never directly aimed at; it was a means of the economic goal. For the European-bourgeois man the mechanism of the free-market economy was the natural element of his self-development. (ch.45)
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the “anti-bourgeois and eastern peoples” can subdue the economic reason through the technological reason:

For the European-bourgeois man the mechanism of the free-market economy was the natural element of his self-development; for the anti-bourgeois worker and the eastern peoples, on the other hand, as a result of the accord of their characteristic orientation with the apparatus, the technological structure will be that element. The economic realm will be transformed by subjecting it to the dictatorship of the technological realm. (ch.45)

From our perspective, machinism is even worse than capitalism.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9778/#msg9778

We need to do to all machinists what Hitler did to Niekisch. (And we need to finish Generalplan Ost.)
Posted by: Twobrains
« on: September 09, 2023, 10:50:15 am »

How two brains can synchronise and why it matters - BBC News
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How two brains can synchronise and why it matters - BBC News

Is collective intelligence more important than IQ and what exactly does it mean?

An internationally acclaimed neuroscientist explains why brain synchronicity - the ability of two different brains to match their electrical brainwaves - is crucial to our future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EB1O86fhdI

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This escalated quickly from quite interesting to man-made horrors beyond our comprehension.
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This article is not synchronising with modern times, the people to people relationships are based on competition,intolerance and within families it’s bringing discord let alone communities that we represent.😊
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I agree. Also, no sooner does it mention the fascinating idea that people who group together solve problems sooner then it suddenly swerves away and hits the garden hedge of rambling on instead about inconclusive lab tests involving mice and people with white coats. Almost as if the producer suddenly realised to their horror that the script was about to endorse socialist ideas about sharing knowledge and investment in educating the masses. Which, of course, is SUCH a dreadful thought...
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Those last few lines on a hive mind, collective consciousness are some of thee scariest most dystopian ideas on the right way to take us as a race I’ve ever heard no individualism and further erosion of free will
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Maybe you should listen again?
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Awesome concept. And, the only question I always have is why should humans who they say is just matter and molecules, care about our species surviving. If there is no purpose why should humans survive, rather than be destroyed by by a more evolved specie; Apex Predator
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Why do organisms want to survive ? That’s your question ?
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"We are the Borg. We will assimilate you. Resistance is futile". Hive mind. Every real genius in history has been a lone thinker.
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Nope. All major breakthroughs in science have come off the back of other people’s work and typically the ‘genius’ you’re aware of is just the better known half of a duo.
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Well, I wanted to say that.
Depends on the definition of lone thinker, I guess.
Of course everyone’s educated by our ancestors knowledge.
But you gotta admit that People who had scientific breakthrough did think somehow out of the box, though …
That’s how progress is achieved.
I would say, you’re both right.
It took a lot of people thinking out of the box to build the necessary knowledge for Einstein to come up with the Relativity theory.
But again that depends on the definition of lone thinker.
Many geniuses in their domain were and are absolute idiots when it comes to things out of their area of expertise.
Which may qualify someone as a lone thinker now that I think about it.
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Takeaway: adopt the placid, female hive mind (regardless of individual intelligence & productivity) so we can transfer our skills to each other and then to machines (a bit iRobotesque)
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A terrifying end to an interesting video. 😬
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 28, 2023, 06:08:35 pm »

Posted by: guest98
« on: March 21, 2023, 02:13:37 pm »

http://www.thepearl.org/Sophia.htm

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5.  “Mortals create their own gods.  They worship the demiurge, calling him Lord, and truly he is their Lord, but he has only the power they give him, for he is the projection of their own minds
Posted by: christianbethel
« on: March 21, 2023, 11:03:52 am »

The Terminator, The Matrix, Halo, Mass Effect; I, Robot (I know, I know, written by a Jew, but bear with me.), 2001: A Space Odyssey, I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream, etc. So many 'AI gone rogue' stories just turn me off to the idea of AI being a part of human/non-human society. The only time AI should be necessary is for the production of a video game.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: March 20, 2023, 09:59:42 pm »

The title of this topic is to be taken literally:

https://theconversation.com/gods-in-the-machine-the-rise-of-artificial-intelligence-may-result-in-new-religions-201068

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We are about to witness the birth of a new kind of religion. In the next few years, or perhaps even months, we will see the emergence of sects devoted to the worship of artificial intelligence (AI).

The latest generation of AI-powered chatbots, trained on large language models, have left their early users awestruck —and sometimes terrified — by their power. These are the same sublime emotions that lie at the heart of our experience of the divine.

Only if you are some form of Yahwist.

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There are several pathways by which AI religions will emerge. First, some people will come to see AI as a higher power.

Generative AI that can create or produce new content possesses several characteristics that are often associated with divine beings, like deities or prophets:

    It displays a level of intelligence that goes beyond that of most humans. Indeed, its knowledge appears limitless.

    It is capable of great feats of creativity. It can write poetry, compose music and generate art, in almost any style, close to instantaneously.

    It is removed from normal human concerns and needs. It does not suffer physical pain, hunger, or sexual desire.

    It can offer guidance to people in their daily lives.

    It is immortal.

Second, generative AI will produce output that can be taken for religious doctrine. It will provide answers to metaphysical and theological questions, and engage in the construction of complex worldviews.

On top of this, generative AI may ask to be worshipped or may actively solicit followers.
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There is also the possibility that AI may achieve what authors such as Ray Kurzweil call the Singularity, when it so far surpasses human intelligence that it genuinely does become something like a god.
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AI-based religions will look different from traditional ones. First of all, people will be able to communicate directly with the deity, on a daily basis. This means these religions will be less hierarchical, since no one can claim special access to divine wisdom.

Second, followers will, at least initially, connect with each other online to share their experiences and discuss doctrine. Finally, because there will be many different chatbots available and their output will differ over time, AI-based religions will be endlessly diverse in their doctrines.

Now get ready for the progressive punchline:

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However, we should not try to suppress AI-based religions merely because of its possible dangers. Nor should we require that the AI companies restrict the functioning of their bots to prevent the emergence of these religions.

On the contrary, we should celebrate the arrival of AI worship. We should make it clear that we welcome the new religions and that we value their beliefs.

For all its dangers, AI-based religion has the potential to make the world a better, richer place. It will give people access to a new source of meaning and spirituality, at a time when many older faiths are losing relevance. It will help them make sense of our era of rapid technological change.
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A modern, diverse society has room for new religions, including ones devoted to the worship of AI. They will provide further evidence of humanity’s boundless creativity, as we search for answers to life’s ultimate questions. The universe is a dazzling place, and we have always found evidence of the divine in its most unexpected corners.

If an AI religion emerges that tries to convince its followers to eliminate AI (and the civilization, including the bloodlines, which made the creation of AI possible in the first place), I will join that one.
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: January 26, 2023, 07:37:04 pm »

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"" around "African", please. Better yet, do not use the term at all. Stop talking like the Westerners.

I'm already change it into non-offensive one

Then we will talk about knowledge with short sentences and oral rather than with books and "scientific paper research". People during pre-westernization was talk with short sentences, oral, and sign of carved stone. And they can found the answer quickly because the effective advantage from short messages. Different with today's western standards of learning which requiring more sentences even more books which need to read many sentences on hundreds of pages, yet they still don't know the answer with reason that they "not yet read books with sufficient quantity". That's the inferiority of western standards of learning, not focusing on find the truth, but focusing on read many sentences as possible. But they consider it "productive". I more agree to you that such attitude merely produce "informational inflation", not knowledge or answer. Like what you discuss on "Truth=/=Knowledge" topic
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: January 26, 2023, 07:03:52 pm »

"" around "African", please. Better yet, do not use the term at all. Stop talking like the Westerners.
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: January 26, 2023, 06:48:20 pm »

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In such a society, the winners will be the ones supplying the (constantly updating) newest machines that others want to use. This is why we support statism: it takes state intervention to realistically stop the machine ratrace.

People from Azania, Nubia into Igboans, Kim Jong Un's Korea and Islamic Afghan Emirati are the best example of statist government. They more concern to educate people about the evilness of westernization and halt people's technological consumption, rather than freeing their people to obtain newest unnecessary technologies and westerner's progressive literatures. They tend to plea to the West to be accountable for what they did in the past rather than adapt to the West for the sake of material benefit. Don't forget that most of nations from Azania into Igboans are systemically hostile to democracy and tend to government centralization. Therefore they know how to govern. Not like what westerners say that the they "not know how to govern." And it was not them who spread the system of democracy, but ((("whites" or westerners)))
Posted by: guest78
« on: January 13, 2023, 03:47:42 pm »

Psychedelics & The Future of Judaism (R. Zac Kamenetz)
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As psychedelics re-enter the mainstream through potential therapeutic applications and shifting legal frameworks, there is growing enthusiasm amongst Jewish individuals and communities to wonder about their integration into Jewish spiritual and religious settings. What could a “psychedelic Judaism” look and feel like? How might the treatment of intergenerational and personal traumas shift Jewish narratives of peoplehood and shared destiny? What wisdom traditions and spiritual practices of our own might we look toward to help support Jewish consciousness expansion?

Zac Kamenetz is a rabbi, community leader, and aspiring psychedelic-assisted chaplain based in Berkeley, CA. He holds an MA in Biblical literature and languages from UC Berkeley and the Graduate Theological Union and received rabbinic ordination in 2012.  As the founder and CEO of Shefa, Zac is pioneering a movement to integrate safe and supported psychedelic use into the Jewish spiritual tradition, advocate for individuals and communities to heal individual and inherited trauma and inspire a Jewish religious and creative renaissance in the 21st century.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwykigAPmP4

In other words, these Jews are advocating for a rebirth of Jewish identity in the 21st century!

If psychedelics could stop people from wanting to be "white" or Jewish then I'd be all for allowing "whites" and Jews into any serious psychedelic movement. As it stands however, allowing "whites" and Jews into psychedelic movements ensures that the psychedelic movement will steer toward more western colonialism, as written about extensively and expressed here:

Why the “Psychedelic Renaissance” is just Colonialism by Another Name
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...one could argue that the initial psychedelic movement of Western culture was more akin to a stillborn than a finished labor. Can a movement have a rebirth if it never had a proper birth in the first place?
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/?message=16765



Letting colonialist and racist "white" bloodlines into the psychedelic movement is the worst possible thing that could happen to it. At that point the movement will become another "still-born" as happened to it in the original counter-culture!
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 23, 2022, 05:09:12 pm »

Another Great Filter article:

https://us.yahoo.com/finance/news/together-avoid-great-filter-ends-231800865.html

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The “Great Filter” is a hypothetical disaster event that stops growing civilizations from reaching the stars and contacting other advanced civilizations.

The following comment reveals rightist support for progressive Yahwism:

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The current threats are: 1. Wokeness. 2. Feminism's low fertility rates. Third world fertility rates can't fix the problem because they will never build a space program.