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Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: March 23, 2024, 12:25:02 am »

Militarism during 20th Century

https://youtu.be/pTu6WScR5SY?t=166
Posted by: rp
« on: December 23, 2023, 07:31:47 pm »

From your link:

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Even in war time and under the influence of propaganda , 19 July 1941 Hitler stated:

“Stalin is one of the most extraordinary figures in world history. He began as a small clerk, and he has never stopped being a clerk. Stalin owes nothing to rhetoric. He governs from his office, thanks to a bureaucracy that obeys his every nod and gesture.

This is a criticism, not a compliment!

https://www.quora.com/What-did-Hitler-and-Stalin-think-of-each-other

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Hitler once summed up Stalin brilliantly: “Stalin started out as a desk clerk and he is still a desk clerk.” What he meant, of course, is that Stalin thought and acted like a mediocre bureaucrat, not a statesman and visionary like himself.

More Hitler quotes that shows Hitler's dislike for Stalin (rooted in anti-Turanism, not merely anti-communism):

"When Russia barricades herself within her frontiers, it's to prevent people from leaving the country and making certain comparisons. That's why Stalin was obliged to introduce Bolshevism into the Baltic countries, so that his army of occupation should be deprived of all means of comparison with another system."

"A people can prove to be well fitted for battle even although it is ill fitted for civilisation. From the point of view of their value as combatants, the armies of Genghiz Khan were not inferior to those of Stalin (provided we take away from Bolshevism what it owes to the material civilisation of the West)."

"Stalin pretends to have been the herald of the Bolshevik revolution. In actual fact, he identifies himself with the Russia of the Tsars, and he has merely resurrected the tradition of Pan-Slavism. For him Bolshevism is only a means, a disguise designed to trick the Germanic and Latin peoples. If we hadn't seized power in 1933, the wave of the Huns would have broken over our heads."

"Stalin is half beast, half giant. To the social side of life he is utterly indifferent. The people can rot, for all he cares."

"Stalin is an anarchist educated in an ecclesiastical college! Our newspapers ought to ask whether he and Churchill sang psalms together in Moscow!"


It is only correct to say that Hitler dared not underestimate Stalin:

"Stalin, too, must command our unconditional respect. In his own way he is a hell of a fellow! He knows his models, Genghiz Khan and the others, very well, and the scope of his industrial planning is exceeded only by our own Four Year Plan."

When Hitler uses the term 'respect', it is in the sense of viewing Stalin as a serious threat not to be taken lightly, not in the sense of viewing him as a rolemodel.

In India, we see these clerical pen pushers (mainly Brahmins) being given decision-making powers due to the colonial bureaucracy. And we can see the utter failure of governance in the Indian state. Feudal landowners + mercantilistic oligarchs + clerical bureaucrats are the ones ruling India. In contrast, the monarchy limited the power of all three.
Posted by: rp
« on: December 21, 2023, 08:01:06 am »

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 19, 2023, 09:00:41 pm »

From your link:

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Even in war time and under the influence of propaganda , 19 July 1941 Hitler stated:

“Stalin is one of the most extraordinary figures in world history. He began as a small clerk, and he has never stopped being a clerk. Stalin owes nothing to rhetoric. He governs from his office, thanks to a bureaucracy that obeys his every nod and gesture.

This is a criticism, not a compliment!

https://www.quora.com/What-did-Hitler-and-Stalin-think-of-each-other

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Hitler once summed up Stalin brilliantly: “Stalin started out as a desk clerk and he is still a desk clerk.” What he meant, of course, is that Stalin thought and acted like a mediocre bureaucrat, not a statesman and visionary like himself.

More Hitler quotes that shows Hitler's dislike for Stalin (rooted in anti-Turanism, not merely anti-communism):

"When Russia barricades herself within her frontiers, it's to prevent people from leaving the country and making certain comparisons. That's why Stalin was obliged to introduce Bolshevism into the Baltic countries, so that his army of occupation should be deprived of all means of comparison with another system."

"A people can prove to be well fitted for battle even although it is ill fitted for civilisation. From the point of view of their value as combatants, the armies of Genghiz Khan were not inferior to those of Stalin (provided we take away from Bolshevism what it owes to the material civilisation of the West)."

"Stalin pretends to have been the herald of the Bolshevik revolution. In actual fact, he identifies himself with the Russia of the Tsars, and he has merely resurrected the tradition of Pan-Slavism. For him Bolshevism is only a means, a disguise designed to trick the Germanic and Latin peoples. If we hadn't seized power in 1933, the wave of the Huns would have broken over our heads."

"Stalin is half beast, half giant. To the social side of life he is utterly indifferent. The people can rot, for all he cares."

"Stalin is an anarchist educated in an ecclesiastical college! Our newspapers ought to ask whether he and Churchill sang psalms together in Moscow!"


It is only correct to say that Hitler dared not underestimate Stalin:

"Stalin, too, must command our unconditional respect. In his own way he is a hell of a fellow ! He knows his models, Genghiz Khan and the others, very well, and the scope of his industrial planning is exceeded only by our own Four Year Plan."

When Hitler uses the term 'respect', it is in the sense of viewing Stalin as a serious threat not to be taken lightly, not in the sense of viewing him as a rolemodel.
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: December 19, 2023, 08:25:22 pm »

Hitler and Stalin view each other

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Hitler appreciated Stalin . They respected each other as enemies and they did not underestimate each other. Stalin showed less respect openly … Hitler somehow appreciated Stalin in his private talks… (not in public understandibly) .

He used to say he should have acted like Stalin to deal with army commanders. He thought himself as civilized and soft comparing to Stalin. He even mentioned Stalin was the best candidate to run Slavic rabbit family for Germans once Germany conquered Russia. Both leaders were similar types and made of same substance. They both despised each other and at the same time secretly appreciated each other. It sounds like contrast but probably that how it was.

Hitler was amazed what Stalin achieved with Slavic rabbit family in sense of development. He was very surprised to see the real size of Soviet army, the industrial capacity of Soviets under Stalin regime. He even analyzed Stalin’s ear lobes to be certain that he was not a jew.

Actually both men had parallel lives.( Bullock) Their life stories are amazingly similar. Probably they knew this fact and appreciated each other. Although Stalin appreciated Hitler, probably he would turn him into mummified statue and exhibit him in Red Square if he had the chance as Hitler told people close to him. … Politics and respect for the enemy are two different concepts…

https://qr.ae/pKa8eK
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: November 29, 2023, 02:46:00 am »

How the Western Allied Power treated the Colored People during World War 2

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This pattern of people fighting for national freedom denied to them as racial outsiders characterized much of the experience of Allied colonial subjects in general during the war. In spite of widespread opposition from Indian politicians, the British government of colonial India declared that questions of self-rule and independence would have to  wait until after the war was over. The British also used the war to reassert imperial authority in the Middle East, overthrowing the government of  Iraq in 1941 and the Egyptian regime in 1942.160 The clear message was that, at least until the defeat of the Axis, colonialism would remain firmly in place. The fact that imperial and Commonwealth soldiers fought for Britain also did not shield them from British racism. Black soldiers in particular received lower pay, worse rations, and far fewer chances for advancement than their white counterparts. The British military generally refused (as in World War I), to deploy them in Europe; they also tried to prevent contacts between them and African American soldiers for fear that the antiracist attitudes of the latter would undermine the empire.161

The French situation was different, since colonial troops did not enter France until the Liberation. Yet the Gaullist argument that Free France represented France as a whole tended to mask the diversity of both the Free French and the Resistance. In arranging for French troops to liberate Paris in 1944, for example, De Gaulle bowed to American demands for the exclusion of Black colonial soldiers, so that the LeClerc  Division, which entered the French capital on August 25, 1944, consisted largely of Spanish Republican exiles. The liberation of Paris must be a white liberation.162

The United States during the war also mobilized people of color to an unprecedented degree while at the same time stubbornly retaining traditional racial standards. World War II represented the greatest overseas war effort the nation had ever seen, the first time America (or any nation) had waged such a massive struggle on two oceans at the same time. Over 16 million Americans served in the armed forces during  World War II, more than any other war effort before or since. Moreover, the tremendous mobilization of production that made the United States the “Arsenal of Democracy” required vast labor resources, prompting the migration of millions to new jobs and transforming the nation’s industrial landscape.163 This massive military and economic mobilization took place in a new political context, for America had changed significantly since World War I. The New Deal represented one of the most  progressive regimes, and political cultures, in US history, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s attitudes toward race were far removed from those  of Woodrow Wilson.164

...

In general, however, racial discrimination and segregation persisted in America during World War II. Whatever his personal feelings, Roosevelt’s New Deal coalition depended upon the support of white southern legislators, who remained adamantly opposed to policies promoting racial equality. Roosevelt may have denounced lynching, but the US  government never enacted federal anti-lynching legislation. During the  1930s many New Deal social programs, such as the Federal Housing  Authority, discriminated against Blacks, and this pattern continued during the war.175 Most notably, in spite of some Democratic promises to the contrary, America’s armed forces remained segregated for the duration of the conflict. As in World War I but to an even greater extent, the  US military fought around the world for white freedom.176

Racism in World War II was not just a matter of government policy.  During the war race riots erupted in American cities, usually involving white attacks on Blacks and other peoples of color. In June 1943 the so-called Zoot Suit Riots (named after a clothing style made popular by  Black jazz musicians and embraced by minority youth) broke out in Los  Angeles, involving attacks by thousands of white soldiers and sailors primarily against Latino young men.177 A scant two weeks later Detroit experienced its own major race riot, prompted by attempts to integrate the city’s housing and defense industries.178 Public transportation and
other facilities remained largely segregated, and not just in the South.  At times this went so far as to require Black soldiers in uniform to give up seats on trains to German prisoners of war.

Source :

White Freedom The Racial History of an Idea Tyler Edward Stovall 2021 Princeton University Press page 250 - 253
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: November 28, 2023, 08:37:45 pm »

World War I's Belligerents Racial View

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Germany was hardly the only nation to express the struggle for national defense and freedom in racialized terms during World War I. Allied, especially British, propaganda frequently demonized the enemy as the Hun, portrayed as a bloodthirsty inhuman beast. The British seized in particular upon the German invasion of Belgium at the start of the war as an example of bestial cruelty, not stopping at images of Belgian babies being spitted on German spike helmets.32 One of the most striking racialized images of the enemy was published by the United States  Army in 1918. Entitled “Destroy This Mad Brute!,” it featured a growling gorilla wearing a German spiked helmet. In one hand he held a club labeled “Kultur,” in the other arm he grasped a prostrate white woman.33 Clearly grounded in American fears of miscegenation and ****, the poster portrayed the Germans as a racial enemy. During the war, therefore, both sides deployed racialized images of each other, illustrating the absolutist character of the conflict. In a climate of total war, the enemy had to be dehumanized and treated as the racial Other.34

The racialization of enemy European nations as savages occurred concurrently with the mobilization of nonwhite populations for the war effort and their introduction onto European soil. World War I was an imperial war, during which the leading nations mobilized their colonial resources in service to the national effort. As the masters of the largest empires, the British and French took the lead in imperial mobilization.  One of the most important of these resources was labor: ever since the era of African slavery colonial workers had been a key source of wealth for European empires, but the labor shortages caused by the mobilization of millions of European men into the military made this a critical need.

Source :

White Freedom The Racial History of an Idea Tyler Edward Stovall 2021 Princeton University Press page 209
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: November 28, 2023, 08:28:04 pm »

Discriminative Sentiment Towards Colored People were not came from Hitler Regime, but Previous German regime during World War I

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The fact that Germany cast its imperial vision in racial terms exemplified the entanglement of empire and race in World War I.30 On October 4, 1914, a group of prominent German intellectuals published the  “Manifesto of the 93” defending Germany’s invasion of Belgium and conduct during the war in general. This spirited defense at times took on racialized imagery: n the east the earth is saturated with the blood of women and children unmercifully butchered by the wild Russian troops, and in the west dumdum bullets mutilate the breasts of our soldiers. Those who have allied themselves with Russians and Serbians, and present such a shameful scene to the world as that of inciting  Mongolians and negroes against the white race, have no right whatever to call themselves upholders of civilization” (emphases in the original).31 The manifesto used the language of race in defense of Germany’s struggle to defend its freedom, a vision of freedom that was thus essentially white.

Source :

White Freedom The Racial History of an Idea Tyler Edward Stovall 2021 Princeton University Press page 208
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 21, 2023, 07:14:45 pm »

What we already knew:

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88-01314R000100360016-9.pdf



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The U.S. Census Bureau has been asked to in-
clude a question on religious affiliation in the
1980 census by 15 directors of the Religious Re-
search Association. The question about religious
affiliation was dropped from the 1960 and 1970
census due to the demand of Jewish groups. Re-
velation of the true number of Jews in the U.S.
would undermine the myth that the Nazis killed
six million Jews. The truth is, there are six million
more Jews in the U.S. than Jewish organizations
admit.... The Immigration Service reports that
there are 8 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.
Actually, there are at least 14 million.
Posted by: rp
« on: November 11, 2023, 01:11:30 am »

Posted by: WhyNow?
« on: September 27, 2023, 01:02:31 pm »

Gravitas: Canada's troubling history with Nazi soldiers, unmasking a disturbing WWII legacy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnveodQTXHQ

Comments:

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There are nah tsees in every country opposed to Russia. You can clearly see the ideology.  How else does Zelensky get invited into parliaments and Congress!?!
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to be fair, almost all countries you are referring to also has people who died fighting "nah tsees" as well. But I do agree with the notion that it is an odd coincidence considering Putin's accusations of Ukraine not too long ago.

 ::) ;D
Posted by: .
« on: September 26, 2023, 08:51:30 pm »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/25/canadas-house-speaker-apologises-after-praising-ukrainian-veteran-who-fought-for-nazis

Canada’s house speaker apologises after praising Ukrainian veteran of Nazi unit

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Jewish groups voice anger over standing ovation for Yaroslav Hunka, 98, after Volodymyr Zelenskiy speech

Canada has become embroiled in an escalating political controversy after members of its House of Commons were encouraged to join in a standing ovation for an individual who fought in Ukraine with a Nazi military unit accused of war crimes during the second world war.

Images from the Canadian parliament showed Zelenskiy and the Canadian prime minister, Justin Trudeau, standing and applauding Hunka, in scenes condemned by Jewish groups. As lawmakers cheered, Zelenskiy raised his fist in acknowledgment as Hunka saluted from the gallery during two separate standing ovations.

The Kremlin on Monday called the incident “outrageous” and pictures of Zelenskiy were quickly seized on by pro-Kremlin social media accounts.

The decision to allow about 600 members of the division to live in Canada after the second world war has long been a source of controversy in Canada, and was the subject of a government commission of inquiry in the 1980s into whether Canada had become a haven for war criminals.

The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, a Canadian Jewish group, said it was “deeply troubled” that a veteran of a Nazi division that participated in the genocide of Jews had been celebrated.

Jewish groups have long campaigned against two memorials in Canada connected to Ukrainians who fought on the German side.

Dominique Arel, the chair of Ukrainian studies at the University of Ottawa, told Canada’s public broadcaster CBC that the division Hunka was part of had attracted thousands of Ukrainian volunteers, many joining with hopes they could achieve Ukrainian independence.

Zelenskiy was in Ottawa to bolster support from western allies for Ukraine’s fight against the Russian invasion. Vladimir Putin has painted his enemies in Ukraine as “neo-Nazis”

The row also raises uncomfortable questions surrounding the memorialising of prominent Ukrainian figures who fought alongside Nazi forces during the war.

In his speech to Canadian lawmakers, Zelenskiy noted that the city of Edmonton was the first to commemorate victims of the Holodomor, the mass famine inflicted on Ukrainians that killed millions in the early 1930s. The city erected a memorial in 1983 in recognition of the 50th anniversary of the famine.

On the issue of the Galicia division, the commission’s head, Jules Deschênes, ruled that members “should not be indicted as a group”.

“The members of Galicia division were individually screened for security purposes before admission to Canada. Charges of war crimes of Galicia division have never been substantiated, either in 1950 when they were first preferred, or in 1984 when they were renewed, or before this commission.”


Posted by: .
« on: September 26, 2023, 08:44:44 pm »

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/speaker-anthony-rota-resignation-1.6978422

Anthony Rota resigns as Speaker after honouring Ukrainian veteran who fought with Nazi unit

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Liberal MP Anthony Rota is stepping down as House of Commons Speaker after inviting a former Ukrainian soldier who fought in a Nazi division to Parliament — a dramatic turn of events that will be welcomed by MPs on all sides who said the embarrassing incident was unforgivable.

"I reiterate my profound regret for my error in recognizing an individual in the House."

Rota said the "public recognition" he gave to a former Nazi soldier "caused pain to individuals and communities," including Jewish people, Poles and "other survivors of Nazi atrocities."

On Friday, Rota invited Ukrainian veteran Yaroslav Hunka, a constituent of his from North Bay, Ont., to sit in the parliamentary gallery during Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's address to Parliament.

Over the weekend, it emerged that Hunka was part of the First Ukrainian Division, also known as the Waffen-SS Galicia Division or the SS 14th Waffen Division — a voluntary unit under the command of the Nazis.

Poland takes steps toward extradition

The shockwaves from the 98-year-old's appearance in Parliament are still being felt.

Poland's education minister has said he wants Hunka be extradited to face criminal penalties for his role in the Galician division, a unit that committed atrocities against Poles in the Second World War. Przemysław Czarnek said he has "taken steps" to get Hunka to Poland.

The Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Centre (FSWC), a Jewish rights group, said Rota's action "compromised all 338 MPs" and "handed a propaganda victory to Russia."

B'nai Brith, another Jewish group, said the government must make the Duchesne Commission's 1980s-era report public in its entirety so the country can learn the true extent of Ukrainian Nazi activities in post-Second World War Canada.

Reports suggest as many as 2,000 Ukrainian members of Adolf Hitler's Waffen-SS were admitted to Canada after the war — after some British prodding. The commission said the number is likely lower than that.

But Jewish groups have long been critical of how these collaborators have been allowed to live in peace in Canada after voluntarily serving in Hitler's war machine.

Historians have documented how soldiers like Hunka were trained at SS facilities in Germany, swore an oath to Hitler and received an education in Nazi doctrine.

"We cannot move forward as a country from Friday's humiliating debacle without the government committing to finally opening its wartime records," said Michael Mostyn, B'nai Brith Canada's CEO.

Parliament 'tarnished,' NDP MP says

Government House Leader Karina Gould, who is of Jewish descent, said she's horrified she celebrated Hunka. The Ontario MP also posed for a picture with the man after Friday's festivities.

She said Rota should have never invited "someone like this."

She said the outgoing Speaker was also "very misleading" when he encouraged parliamentarians to stand and applaud a Nazi collaborator.

"Imagine the Jewish community sitting down to Yom Kippur and having somebody that is affiliated with the SS and the horrific murders taking place in Eastern Europe being honoured in the House of Commons," Julian added, referring to the Jewish high holiday.

"Where is the prime minister? Why is he hiding?" Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said.

"Our nation's reputation is in tatters. Will he stand up and apologize for this mess he helped create?" he added, trying to link Rota's invitation to the Prime Minister's Office.

"Has there ever been a greater diplomatic embarrassment in the history of our country? I mean it literally.

Rota initially resisted calls to resign. But he lost the support of some key Liberal cabinet ministers — a sign that his position had become increasingly tenuous.

It wasn't just the invitation — Rota also recognized Hunka as a "Canadian hero" in the House of Commons and prompted a standing ovation.

"What happened on Friday is completely unacceptable. It was an embarrassment to the House and Canadians," Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly told reporters Tuesday.

Joly also said she's spoken to her Ukrainian counterpart about the incident, which has had global repercussions.

Trudeau stopped short of saying Rota should resign but made it clear where he stands.

"This was deeply embarrassing for the House and for Canada," Trudeau said.

Health Minister Mark Holland, who recently served as government House leader and worked closely with the Speaker in that role, said Rota is "a profoundly good man" and the last few days have been "incredibly difficult" for him and those who know him well.

Posted by: rp
« on: September 16, 2023, 11:36:03 am »

Turanian vs Aryan blood memory as manifest in modern day warfare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VuGRBraMb0
Russian armored cavalry = Turanian steppe horse "warriors"
Japanese fortified infantry = Aryan valley-dwelling kshatriyas

These steppe dwellers still have the nerve to call Aryan fortifications "cowardly", despite the fact that Aryans have to step out of their forts to deal any significant damage to the enemy. Can we say the same about charioteers/tank operators?
Posted by: christianbethel
« on: July 27, 2023, 02:21:54 pm »

Wow, what fúcking horseshít. I never knew the nuclear test site was inhabited. 'Whites', man. They gotta go.