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Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 26, 2024, 07:16:29 pm »

"Kids should be spending 85% of their time outside in physical education and 15% in the classroom"

Kids should choose for themselves as individuals how to spend their time. Maintaining compulsory schooling but merely altering the distribution of activities does not reduce the violence initiated.

"I used to think that stoning was a harsh punishment for adultery, but more and more I'm understanding the wisdom behind it."

Death penalty for adultery is a must. The method of execution can vary by culture.
Posted by: my observations
« on: February 26, 2024, 06:52:07 pm »

- The rational mind  has reached it's maximum level of development and now mankind is being pushed in the opposite more musical direction.

Kids should be spending 85% of their time outside in physical education and 15% in the classroom, unfortunately it's the opposite that is happening in the school's today.

-Alot of the problems in society is due to its accepting attitude of fornication and adulterous behaviors. I used to think that stoning was a harsh punishment for adultery, but more and more I'm understanding the wisdom behind it. The age of stoning needs to be reintroduced into the world, maybe not in a literal sense but metaphysically speaking.

-Of course, western civilization is the one which most lacks awareness and appreciation of the divine feminine, which is probably why it is the one which has oppressed and mistreated it the most.
Posted by: rp
« on: February 15, 2024, 09:25:48 pm »

"schooling being legal (though not compulsory) leaves a potential avenue for parents to initiate violence by forcing children to attend school, but here too the correct response should be an additional law prohibiting parents from doing so."
In the case with schooling, if we are referring to Western education specifically, it should be noted that such instiutions didn't exist in non-Western countries prior to colonialism. Parents in non-Western countries force their children to attend school because (in the case of daughters) they feel it is a burden to take care of them and want to marry them off, but can't do so without educating them as the propsective husband almost always demands a college degree.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 15, 2024, 09:19:23 pm »

"So forcing children to get married is not ok, but forcing them to go to school is?"

Child marriage being legal does not imply it is compulsory, whereas compulsory schooling is exactly that. We are comparing between a law that allows children to get married (no violence initiated by the state) and another law that forces children to attend school (violence initiated by the state). Clearly the latter is worse.

If anything, child marriage being made illegal (apparently what the poster wants) is in effect a law that forces children to be unmarried (violence initiated by the state). So in both cases it is the Western law which directly involves the state initiating violence.

(Of course I understand that child marriage being legal (though not compulsory) opens a potential avenue for parents to initiate violence by forcing children to get married, but the correct response should be an additional law prohibiting parents from doing so. Similarly, schooling being legal (though not compulsory) leaves a potential avenue for parents to initiate violence by forcing children to attend school, but here too the correct response should be an additional law prohibiting parents from doing so. But at least the state itself is not directly initiating violence in either case.)
Posted by: rp
« on: February 15, 2024, 08:10:28 pm »

Western hypocrisy:


So forcing children to get married is not ok, but forcing them to go to school is?
Posted by: rp
« on: January 15, 2024, 11:58:37 pm »

https://twitter.com/Times4India/status/1746540279073804490
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Pagan-Wing
@Times4India
Vishwaguru is probably the only spineless country in the whole map. Without either a moral principle or might of State. Just the lengthiest document for peak virtue signalling.
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Ravi Kant 🪔
@Ravi3pathi
Should #polygamy be legal?


Polygamy should be legal regardless of religion.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 08, 2023, 01:41:47 pm »

Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg23499/#msg23499

This same ethical principle also applies elsewhere. If a new machine is invented, the inventors and those who voluntarily funded them are the only ones who chose to put themselves (and everyone else) into a world where that machine exists, while everyone else is put into that world not by their own choice. Therefore, everyone except the inventors/funders should be the ones who get to decide what happens with that machine. This is the opposite of what we currently have:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent

It goes without saying that patent law is uniquely Western:

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Although there is some evidence that some form of patent rights was recognized in Ancient Greece in the Greek city of Sybaris,[9][10] the first statutory patent system is generally regarded to be the Venetian Patent Statute of 1474. However, recent historical research has suggested that the Venetian Patent Statute of 1474 was inspired by laws in the Kingdom of Jerusalem that granted monopolies to developers of novel silk-making techniques.[11] Patents were systematically granted in Venice as of 1474, where they issued a decree by which new and inventive devices had to be communicated to the Republic in order to obtain legal protection against potential infringers. The period of protection was 10 years.[12] As Venetians emigrated, they sought similar patent protection in their new homes. This led to the diffusion of patent systems to other countries.[13]

The English patent system evolved from its early medieval origins into the first modern patent system that recognised intellectual property in order to stimulate invention; this was the crucial legal foundation upon which the Industrial Revolution could emerge and flourish.[14]

If my principle were used instead, machinism would be disincentivized: what country would invest in machinism if inventing a machine meant every other country would possess it except the inventing country?
Posted by: rp
« on: September 27, 2023, 12:40:55 pm »

"ancient custom of many ancient Germanic tribes"
Why are we following the customs of savage barbarians?
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 27, 2023, 12:14:43 pm »

Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/trump-disapproval/msg22416/#msg22416

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In an extraordinary and rare move, a New York judge found that Donald Trump committed fraud without even needing a trial and a jury to weigh in on the evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnNG5CuvcvQ&t=90s

From the comments section:

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A summary judgment motion is a way of avoiding trial on issues that are so factually clear that they don't deserve to be determined by a jury because the facts are such that no reasonable jury needs to consider them. The burden of proof is always on the party bringing the motion, in this case the State of New York. ANY doubts of significant fact means that the motion MUST be denied. Any uncertainties of fact are construed against the moving party and in favor of the non-moving party. What that means in this case is that this judge determined that the facts were so clear that Trump committed fraud that no reasonable jury could find otherwise and no trial on that issue was necessary. In cases like this, that is an incredible ruling and NO JUDGE would have done it absent evidence which was just plain overwhelming. Summary judgment is not granted lightly because all benefit of doubt goes to the defendant. This result speaks volumes about the audacity of Trump's business conduct.

This is what we need to get back to as the norm. It would have been standard practice in non-Western courts. Juries are a uniquely Western idea:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury#Historical_roots

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The modern jury evolved out of the ancient custom of many ancient Germanic tribes whereby a group of men of good character was used to investigate crimes and judge the accused. The same custom evolved into the vehmic court system in medieval Germany. In Anglo-Saxon England, juries investigated crimes. After the Norman Conquest, some parts of the country preserved juries as the means of investigating crimes. The use of ordinary members of the community to consider crimes was unusual in ancient cultures, but was nonetheless also found in ancient Greece.

The modern jury trial evolved out of this custom in the mid-12th century during the reign of Henry II.[5] Juries, usually 6 or 12 men, were an "ancient institution" even then in some parts of England
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 13, 2023, 04:39:07 pm »

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-maori-party-want-to-abolish-prisons-by-2040-separate-tikanga-justice-system-to-address-inequities/2OEWB6NBPVCG3GY56HIJ4VRYWQ/

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Te Pāti Māori is challenging Labour to abolish prisons by 2040 and introduce a tikanga-based justice system to address the enormous inequities facing this country’s indigenous peoples.

Co-leader Rawiri Waititi launched what he called a “revolutionary plan to reform the justice system in Aotearoa” that would tackle the institutional racism that has “traumatised and failed Māori communities at every level”.
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“We are asserting our tino rangatiratanga to oversee our own tikanga-based models of restorative justice.”
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Te Pāti Māori is also pledging to reform drug laws to treat drug use as a health issue, not a criminal one, and to wipe criminal convictions for drug use and possession.
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The most likely governing scenario for Te Pāti Māori would be to work with Labour and the Greens, if they gain enough support after the election, with National ruling out working with them.

However, I disagree with this part:

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“Our tipuna did not sign Te Tiriti o Waitangi for whānau to be in care, incarcerated, and continually traumatised. The time for change is well overdue. This is a by Māori, for Māori, according to Māori solution and we will not compromise.”

Why for Maori only? Why not for everyone? How do you intend to get your country back so long as you intend to allow your colonizers to remain above your laws? When they first arrived, the colonizers did not allow you to remain above their laws:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_people#Contact_with_Europeans

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the colonial government confiscating tracts of Māori land as punishment for what were called "rebellions". Pākehā (European) settlers would occupy the confiscated land.[74] Several minor conflicts also arose after the wars, including the incident at Parihaka in 1881 and the Dog Tax War from 1897 to 1898. The Native Land Court was also established to transfer Māori land from communal ownership into individual title as a means to assimilation and to facilitate greater sales to European settlers.[75]
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From the late 19th to the mid-20th century various laws, policies, and practices were instituted in New Zealand society with the effect of inducing Māori to conform to Pākehā norms; notable among these are the Tohunga Suppression Act 1907 and the suppression of the Māori language by schools,[77] often enforced with corporal punishment.[78]
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 04, 2023, 04:11:58 pm »

Support Latif!

https://apnews.com/article/wilders-threat-netherlands-pakistan-latif-pakistan-cricketer-3653d89bef8f57522bf4929ecb4f3a4d

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THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — Dutch prosecutors demanded a 12-year prison sentence Tuesday for a former Pakistani cricketer accused of incitement to murder firebrand anti-Islam lawmaker Geert Wilders.

The suspect, identified by Wilders as Khalid Latif, is accused of offering a bounty of some 21,000 euros ($23,000) to anybody who killed Wilders.

Latif did not appear in the high-security courtroom near Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport for the trial. He is believed to be in Pakistan.
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The prosecution office said that killing Wilders would not just have “caused unbearable pain to his loved ones. It would also have been an attack on the rule of law itself.

Did the Dutch respect the laws of the countries they colonized?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/netherlands's-colonial-brutality-which-rarely-known-by-people-scholars-and-histo/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/kieft's-war/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/surinam/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/east-timor/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/barbados/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/formosa/

So why should we respect Dutch laws?

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Wilders said in court that a conviction would send a “powerful signal to all other others who issue threats: we won’t accept it.”

And in comments he addressed directly to Latif, he added: “As long as I’m living and breathing, you won’t stop me. Your call to kill me and pay money for it is abject and will not silence me.”

Will anyone prove Wilders wrong?

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An international warrant has been issued for Latif’s arrest. Dutch prosecutors said they had been trying to contact him since 2018, first as a witness and then to answer the charges. However, they said they hadn’t received any reply from the Pakistani authorities.

Posted by: guest98
« on: August 11, 2023, 03:58:39 pm »

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/11/india-to-overhaul-colonial-era-criminal-laws-repeal-penal-code

India to overhaul colonial-era criminal laws, repeal penal code

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India’s government has moved three bills in the lower house of parliament aimed at overhauling some colonial-era criminal laws, ranging from the controversial sedition law to strengthening laws that protect women and minors.

On the last day of the monsoon session of the parliament on Friday, federal Home Minister Amit Shah presented bills to repeal and replace the Indian Penal Code, the Code of Criminal Procedure, and the Indian Evidence Act, many implemented by the British before the country’s independence in 1947.

The new legislation “will aim to give justice, not punishment,” said Shah, adding that the overhaul was imperative as the colonial laws have been at the core of the criminal justice system for over a century.

The bill seeks to replace the colonial-era sedition law which was mainly used against Indian political leaders seeking independence from British rule.

However, in modern India, it has frequently been used since 1947 as a tool of suppression by successive democratically elected governments to intimidate people who protest against authority. The bill seeks to replace it with a section on acts seen as endangering the sovereignty, unity and integrity of India.





Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: May 29, 2023, 12:42:49 am »

https://us.yahoo.com/news/no-glory-bullies-south-koreas-021918438.html

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In education-obsessed South Korea, where children can spend up to 16 hours a day studying at schools and in private academies, bullying is widespread, experts say, despite official efforts to stamp it out.

The problem, activists say, is that bullying often goes unpunished in real-time at schools, and the statute of limitations on such crimes makes it hard for victims to bring charges years later.

Pyo said she suffered from years of insomnia and depression as a result of her treatment at school, before deciding to stop hiding and go public with her accusations -- resulting in one of her bullies being fired from their job.

But Pyo is lobbying for real legal change, demanding South Korea suspend the statute of limitations affecting school violence and change the defamation law to better protect victims.
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Pyo and other victims say South Korea should remove the statute of limitations on school violence so bullies can be held accountable even decades later.

I hardly need to tell you which one and only one civilization is to blame for such a blatantly anti-justice idea as statute of limitations (hint: the same one which is to blame for compulsory schooling):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_limitations

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In Classical Athens, a five-year statute of limitations was established for almost all cases, exceptions being such as the prosecution of non-constitutional laws (which had no limitation). Demosthenes wrote that these statutes of limitations were adopted to control "sycophants" (professional accusers).[8]

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A statute of limitations, known in civil law systems as a prescriptive period, is a law passed by a legislative body to set the maximum time after an event within which legal proceedings may be initiated.[1][2]
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In civil law systems, such provisions are typically part of their civil and criminal codes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system)

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Civil law is a legal system originating in mainland Europe and adopted in much of the world.

But back to the first link, observe how a colonized person talks:

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But there are huge practical issues with legally punishing adults for crimes committed as a juvenile, Noh said, which could give people lasting criminal records for teenage misdeeds.

How is this a problem?
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 12, 2023, 05:16:48 pm »

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We've entered a new era, the Imagination Age, so why are we still schooling kids like we did in the 19th Century?

I strongly dislike the progressive tone of this False Left article, which does not argue that (as we insist) compulsory schooling was wrong even when it was first implemented, but makes it sound like (the way progressives make everything sound like) it was understandable at the time but merely outdated now.

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Enclosing children in increasingly restrictive schooling environments for most of their formative years, and drilling them with a standardized, test-driven curriculum is woefully inadequate for the Imagination Age.

Its whole line of thinking is progressive Yahwist (ie. compulsory schooling is bad because it leads to sub-maximal innovativeness):

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65 percent of children now entering elementary school will work at jobs in the future that have not yet been invented.
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While the past belonged to assembly line workers, the future belongs to creative thinkers, experimental doers, and inventive makers.
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coercive schooling structure that values conformity over creativity, compliance over-exuberance.

The author is still a Westerner! The future she looks forward to (and for which, ironically, she believes compulsory schooling is slowing down progress towards) is the very one we are trying to prevent!

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She is also the author of Unschooled: Raising Curious, Well-Educated Children Outside the Conventional Classroom

As I keep saying over and over again, problems created by Western civilization cannot be solved by more Western civilization.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9778/#msg9778

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg6195/#msg6195
Posted by: DyingYoung
« on: April 12, 2023, 02:12:00 pm »

The description on the map is disgusting and makes no sense. Why do they need to violently FORCE people to attend school? What does that have to do with it being a universal “right”? Can they even name any other “right” that the state violently forces people to make use of? Because I sure can’t. The only reason why the “right to education” is treated as any different, is because the powers that be want their human capital. It’s not enough for them to involve THEMSELVES and relish in endless competition with others. They have to drag everyone else into it as well, once the competition reaches a statewide or national level. They don’t give a **** about children. They just want their pawns

Indeed...

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Why did schooling become widespread after the Industrial Revolution?

Our current compulsory schooling model was created at the dawn of the Industrial Age. As factories replaced farm work and production moved swiftly outside of homes and into the larger marketplace, 19th century American schooling mirrored the factories that most students would ultimately join.

Schooling Was for the Industrial Era, Unschooling Is for the Future
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We've entered a new era, the Imagination Age, so why are we still schooling kids like we did in the 19th Century?
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[...]The Imagination Age

The trouble is that we have left the Industrial Era for the Imagination Age, but our mass education system remains fully entrenched in factory-style schooling. By many accounts, mass schooling has become even more restrictive than it was a century ago, consuming more of childhood and adolescence than at any time in our history. The first compulsory schooling statute, passed in Massachusetts in 1852, required eight to 14-year-olds to attend school a mere 12 weeks a year, six of which were to be consecutive. This seems almost laughable compared to the childhood behemoth that mass schooling has now become...
https://fee.org/articles/schooling-was-for-the-industrial-era-unschooling-is-for-the-future/