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Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: March 19, 2024, 06:21:20 pm »

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For instance, research on the personality and motivations of political conservatives and liberals in the United States has shown that conservatives tend to self-report a greater need for closure, structure, order, certainty, and absence of ambiguity (meta-analysis by Jost et al., 2018; see also Carney et al., 2008; Gerber et al., 2010; Jost, 2017; Jost et al., 2009). Political liberals, on the other hand, report a more favorable attitude toward science (J. M. Blank & Shaw, 2015; Lewandowsky & Oberauer, 2016; Tullett et al., 2016; but see also Washburn & Skitka, 2018) and tend to perform better on tests of cognitive ability (Choma & Hanoch, 2017; Deary et al., 2008; Eidelman et al., 2012; Heaven et al., 2011; Hodson & Busseri, 2012; Onraet et al., 2015; Yilmaz & Saribay, 2017). Political liberals are also more resistant to conspiracies or misinformation (Jost et al., 2018; Miller et al., 2016; Pennycook & Rand, 2020; Pfattheicher & Schindler, 2016; Sterling et al., 2016). Further research into values and moral foundations has suggested that political conservatives adopt more “binding” values such as sanctity, authority, and loyalty, whereas political liberals value more “individualizing” forms of morality that emphasize fairness and care (Graham et al., 2009, 2011; Kim et al., 2012; Nilsson & Erlandsson, 2015; Van Leeuwen & Park, 2009;


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Recent research centered on dogmatism—measured through individuals’ general receptivity to evidence and respect for credible alternative viewpoints—has shown that dogmatic individuals have highly impulsive personalities (Zmigrod et al., 2021). Impulsivity was also implicated in individuals endorsing ideological violence to protect their in-group (Zmigrod & Goldenberg, 2021), suggesting impulsivity contributes to ideological tendencies (Zmigrod et al., 2021).


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Mental inflexibility has been implicated in extreme ideological identities (for review, see Zmigrod, 2020) in the context of politics (Zmigrod, Rentfrow, & Robbins, 2020), nationalism (Zmigrod et al., 2018), religion (Zmigrod, Rentfrow, Zmigrod, & Robbins, 2019), dogmatism (Zmigrod, Zmigrod, et al., 2019), and a willingness to endorse violence and self-sacrifice (Zmigrod, Rentfrow, & Robbins, 2019). Importantly, cognitive rigidity was manifest on both the extreme right and the extreme left (Zmigrod, Rentfrow, & Robbins, 2020), suggesting that ideological extremity may be as psychologically important as the mission of the ideology.


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Furthermore, recent research examining the cognitive profiles of a range of ideological attitudes found that impairments in strategic information processing were linked to more conservative, authoritarian, nationalistic, and religious tendencies (Zmigrod et al., 2021). 7 This impairment was also evidenced in individuals who were more willing to support extreme progroup actions to protect their in-group. These impairments were manifest in performance on executive-functioning tasks associated with working memory and planning, illustrating that there are common cognitive roots to ideological thinking across a range of ideological contexts. A difficulty in planning and executing complex action sequences in basic perception may thus increase people’s reliance on coherent collective dogmas that simplify the world into absolute explanations and clear behavioral prescriptions.

Source :

Zmigrod L. (2022). A Psychology of Ideology: Unpacking the Psychological Structure of Ideological Thinking. Perspectives on psychological science : a journal of the Association for Psychological Science, 17(4), 1072–1092. https://doi.org/10.1177/17456916211044140
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: March 05, 2024, 06:14:33 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXAFfgrhBuQ

It's not even as complicated as False Leftist Iadarola makes it. "Speaking languages that nobody has heard of" is illogical as the speaker of the language and whomever they speak it to must have heard the language by definition. Unless, of course, they do not count as "anybody". Which, of course, is how Trump sees them. So, which foreign language speakers  count as "anybody" (ie. the in-group) to Trump?

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2018/07/13/trump-opposes-foreign-worker-visas-except-for-mar-a-lago-fred-grimm/

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President Trump has found himself forced to staff his beloved Mar-a-Lago Club with the very sort of workers he once vowed to banish — those damn job-stealing foreigners.
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The Prez and his cronies require something special from their servers. Perhaps an exotic East European accent.
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a disproportionate number of servers with accents out of the old Soviet bloc.

https://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/news/donald-trump-foreign-workers/

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Another former staffer told CNN Trump took a particular liking to her when he found out she was European.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 25, 2024, 10:39:25 pm »

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 28, 2023, 03:14:13 pm »

Our enemies again demonstrate their utter incapability of understanding non-tribalist thinking:

https://vdare.com/posts/big-city-dem-mayors-two-black-demand-biden-pay-for-border-invasion-but-not-stop-it

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Big City Dem Mayors, Two Black, Demand Biden Pay For Border Invasion (But Not Stop It)

Yes, because paying for the refugees helps the refugees, whereas stopping the refugees from entering does not help the refugees. Duh!

The mayors are complaining that they are insufficiently funded to care for the refugees. They are not complaining about their duty to care for the refugees. They want to care for as many refugees as they have the resources to care for; they are asking for more resources (of which the US has plenty - think about how much money Biden is giving Israel to destroy Gaza with) so that they can do their duty more effectively!
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 16, 2023, 03:06:21 pm »

https://us.yahoo.com/news/anger-israeli-government-mounts-military-185909879.html

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Anger at Israeli government mounts after military admits to mistakenly killing hostages
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Emotions were raw a day after news broke that Yotam Haim, Samer Talalka and Alon Shamriz had been killed by soldiers from their own side.
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A preliminary investigation has been launched “at the highest level,” the official said, adding that the conduct went “against our rules of engagement.”

But this conduct:

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Inside Gaza, more than 18,700 people have been killed, while around 90% of the population has been displaced, with many living in spiraling humanitarian conditions

does not.

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 01, 2023, 04:16:09 pm »



Yes. What does rightist appropriation of BLM really tell us? It tells us that rightists think that:

1) "non-white" murdered by "white"
2) "white" murderer not charged
3) protests happen calling for "white" murderer to be charged

is equivalent to:

1) "white" murdered by "non-white"
2) "non-white" murderer charged
3) protests happen calling for "non-whites" to be collectively punished.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 28, 2023, 05:14:00 pm »

https://twitter.com/MyHandsRatedE/status/1723373025813303520

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“My children are prior to the child the of the enemy” is a very important white supremacist ideology
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A more accurate description would be: "My children are prior to the child of the outgroup." "Enemy" gives the inaccurate impression that what matters to tribalists is whether outgroup children will endanger the ingroup children. Actually, what matters to tribalists is whether the ingroup children can benefit from the outgroup children being oppressed. The most obvious example is non-human children (who are in no way endangering human children) being used for food/experiments/etc. intended to benefit human children.
Posted by: rp
« on: November 17, 2023, 01:28:23 am »

"From what I have gathered reading countless enemy discussions, it isn't so much that rightists are implying that "non-white" male refugees should be fighting in the countries they have fled from, but that rightists are accusing them of literally being a de facto army "invading" the countries they are seeking asylum in."
Depends on what degree of racist the rightist is. In the early days of the refugee crisis (2015-2016), I mainly noticed the former argument. Perhaps it has changed.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 17, 2023, 01:23:29 am »

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trying to shame and demonize people for not having any plans of dying in a (civil) war.

From what I have gathered reading countless enemy discussions, it isn't so much that rightists are implying that "non-white" male refugees should be fighting in the countries they have fled from, but that rightists are accusing them of literally being a de facto army "invading" the countries they are seeking asylum in.

We debunked this all the way back here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg9870/#msg9870

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If State A invades State B, former taxpayers to State B will now be paying taxes to State A instead (ie. State B loses taxpayers; State A gains taxpayers). In contrast, if inhabitants of State A migrate to State B, these former taxpayers to State A who have migrated will now be paying taxes to State B instead (ie. State B gains taxpayers; State A loses taxpayers). Thus in fact immigration is the opposite of invasion.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg11535/#msg11535

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg17806/#msg17806

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg20576/#msg20576
Posted by: rp
« on: November 17, 2023, 12:32:55 am »


What we are looking at is instinctive ethnotribalism: Ferriter perceives the "non-white" male child as a potential genetic competitor to his own patrilineal bloodline. The same psychology underlies why rightist anti-refugee propaganda always focuses on the young male refugees:

https://www.quora.com/What-exactly-is-a-military-age-male-and-why-is-this-term-so-common-when-people-refer-to-refugees/answer/Jan-Meyer-21?ch=10&oid=392458155&share=7fefb3fa&srid=QgAZE&target_type=answer
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A “military age male”, depending on how much of a bigot the person in question is, is any boy from the age of 12 (that is the extreme bigot), 14 (less bigot), 16 or 18 all the way to, again depending on level of fearmongering and bigotry, 40 or 60.

It refers to the men who would or could be called into service in case of a war.

It is basically commentators from countries without conscription trying to shame and demonize people for not having any plans of dying in a (civil) war.
Posted by: NarrativeInCrisis
« on: November 10, 2023, 10:18:37 pm »

Ferriter probably won't do well in prison once the other inmates figure out his charges. He deserves the worst. I hope is death is slow and painful.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 10, 2023, 09:52:23 pm »

Our enemies think a story about racist parental tyranny is a story about:

https://www.amren.com/features/2023/11/interracial-adoption-destroys-a-family/

Firstly, let's note the author:

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Anastasia Katz, American Renaissance, November 10, 2023

With that out of the way, the parent looks like what we would expect:

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Here is how Katz begins the article:

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On October 3, a trial began in Florida. Tim Ferriter, a white man, was charged with aggravated child abuse, false imprisonment, and neglect of a child.

as if the fact that a "white" man is facing charges is the problem. Because it should be OK for parents to be "white".

So, what kind of a parent is Ferriter?

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The Ferriters have four children, two adopted and two of their own. The oldest is a girl, adopted from China. The next oldest is a boy, adopted from Vietnam. He is the only child Mr. Ferriter was accused of abusing. Since he is a minor, I refer to him only by initials, “RF.” His face was hidden when this trial was televised. The Ferriters’ two youngest children, a girl and a boy, are biological.

What we are looking at is instinctive ethnotribalism: Ferriter perceives the "non-white" male child as a potential genetic competitor to his own patrilineal bloodline. The same psychology underlies why rightist anti-refugee propaganda always focuses on the young male refugees:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4PBDgx1cSo

Continuing:

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The police went to the Ferriter home and saw that RF had an unusual bedroom. It was an 8-foot by 8-foot windowless “box” in the garage, with a door that locked from the outside. Inside, there was a mattress and box spring, a desk, and a bucket. The room had an air conditioning unit. A Ring security camera was in a corner of the room, near the ceiling.
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I will call the oldest Ferriter child, adopted from China, “FF” because she is under 18. She is two years older than RF. She told the jury about the years the family lived in Tucson. At first, before the youngest child was born, each of the three children had his own room. RF was not confined at first, but later, his parents put a latch on the outside of his door, so they could shut him in. After their youngest child was born, Mr. and Mrs. Ferriter built a room for RF in the garage. This room had no windows and it locked from the outside. FF said the room smelled bad because her brother “peed in there.” RF’s bedroom was in the garage for two years before the family moved back to Florida, where they built another garage room.

RF is perceived as a bigger patrilineal genetic competitor the closer he gets to puberty.

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She saw her father grab him and drag him into the garage room. She heard her father yell at him, and she heard hitting noises. She said she feared her father would accidentally kill her brother. “At the time, I didn’t have a name for what was happening to him,” FF said, “But I do now: abuse.”

Mr. Ferriter’s defense lawyer claimed in opening statements that RF was locked in his room to protect the other children, but FF testified that she never felt afraid of RF

True to "white" form, Ferriter is projecting his own fear onto the other children.

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FF said RF was treated very differently from the other children. Her parents wouldn’t let him have the sugary snacks the other kids ate. When they moved to Florida, RF had to do yard work that she did not have to do, and RF was locked out of the house until his work was finished. RF received more severe punishments than she did, and she was never locked in her room. The older sister said she rarely ate meals with RF because he ate in his room. Sometimes everyone in the family went somewhere together, for example, to hear her band perform. RF stayed home, locked in his room. She noticed that RF was becoming more withdrawn and smiled less.

FF told the jury that her brother ran away once, and when he came home, their parents locked him out for a while. They did not let her open the door to let him back in.
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RF said he was in 8th grade when the family moved to Florida. Each of the other children had his own room in the new house, but RF’s bedroom was an 8-foot by 8-foot room in the garage. He knew that his father hired a contractor to build the room, explaining, “I was kept in the closet and I overheard their conversation of having to build it.”

The teenager testified that the floor was concrete, with some mats on it, “so it wasn’t so hard.” His bed was a mattress on the floor. The room had no windows. There was an air conditioner that his parents controlled; he was not allowed to turn it on or off by himself. The room had a light, but the switch was outside the room, so he could not turn it on or off. He said he was sometimes locked in the room during the day “for a couple of hours” with the light off. RF said when the light was off, the room was “pitch black” and he had to feel his way around.

The door had a lock and a deadbolt on the outside. RF said that most of the time he was inside the room, he was locked in. His parents installed a Ring camera so they could watch him and talk to him from other parts of the house.

If he needed to use the bathroom when he was locked in the room, he used a bucket. In Florida, he used the bucket only to urinate, but when he lived in a similar room in Arizona, he used a bucket to defecate also. RF said the room smelled “putrid” after he used the bucket.

Sometimes he was locked in with nothing to drink. “I received water occasionally, but not on a regular basis.” He ate most of his meals in the room. If he got hungry while locked in, he had no way to get food. He explained that “to me, being locked in a room, it’s dehumanizing. It’s almost as bad as genocide.” He said that if he refused to go in, “I was put in the room by physical force.”
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RF testified that on school days, Mr. or Mrs. Ferriter woke him at 6:30 or 7 am. He went outside and emptied the bucket in a way so that the neighbors would not see. He got dressed for school, but his clothes were kept outside his room. He said he got breakfast only about half the time. Breakfast was always peanut butter on bread and a banana. Sometimes he ate outside the house and sometimes he ate in his room. He left for middle school at 9 am.

RF brought lunch to school; he wasn’t allowed to buy lunch or any of the snacks for sale at school. His parents gave him a peanut butter sandwich, chips, and fruit for lunch.

He got home from school at 3:30 and his parents locked him back in the room, where he stayed until dinnertime. Sometimes he ate with the family, but most of the time, he ate in his room. His parents let him out at 9 pm or 10 pm to go to the bathroom, and then RF was locked in for the night.

Miss Coakley asked him what he had in the room. “I had my small selection of toys and just books,” RF answered, saying that his parents took his toys away and then took his books away until he was down to only a few textbooks. He was not allowed any electronics in the room, except for the school laptop he used for homework, but he did not have this all the time. RF heard others at school talking about playing games on the school laptop, but he was never allowed to.

RF testified that there were times when he was let inside the house to do chores. He sometimes played outside with his siblings, but most of his outdoor time was spent doing chores, such as raking leaves. He said there was a Ring camera facing the backyard, so his parents could watch him. He was not allowed back inside until his work was finished; he could not go inside to get a drink or cool off.

Because the charges against Mr. Ferriter were brought by the state of Florida, Miss Coakley told the jury they should make their decision based on the events that occurred in Florida, but she asked RF about his life in Arizona, too. RF’s first room in Arizona was inside the house. It had a window, a desk, a dresser, and a normal bed. He also had a coffee table that he played chess on. At some point, his parents put a lock on the outside of the door, and began to lock him in. There was no adjoining bathroom.

RF said he was put in the garage room at age 11, when he was in fifth grade. The garage room in Arizona had a bed with a box spring and frame, a desk, and a wall-mounted air conditioner, which he was not allowed to touch. He also had a bucket. He estimated that the longest he was locked in the room in Arizona was about 18 hours. He never knew how often he would be fed. “Sometimes I got all three meals, sometimes I got one, sometimes I got two.”

RF said that after they moved back to Florida, his father pushed and grabbed him, but things were worse when they lived in Arizona: “I was smacked in the face. He would grab me by the neck. He would grab my arm.” His father spanked him with a jump rope or a belt, and “there would be a lot of yelling.” If his sisters did something wrong, “they would get their phones taken away for a day or two.”
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The state called an expert witness, Dr. Wade Myers, a professor of psychiatry at Brown University. Dr. Myers said Mr. Ferriter’s treatment of his adopted son was “malicious,” “cruel” and “sadistic,” that they kept the boy in “solitary confinement,” which has “detrimental psychological impacts” on children and is not recommended even for children in juvenile detention. He added that children in detention have regular meals, access to bathrooms, a sink with water, and people they can call to for help. He said locking RF up was “torture.”
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The state showed the jury videos from the Ring cameras, which corroborated RF’s testimony. To protect his identity, the videos were not shown on television, and the audio was sometimes unintelligible. There was footage of:

    RF screaming, talking to himself, and crying.
    RF laying mulch in the yard while his parents sat and watched.
    Ferriter lecturing his son in a calm voice.
    Ferriter scolding RF for stealing candy, lying, and “having a bad attitude.”
    Ferriter throwing RF onto a bed and putting his hands on the boy’s neck, before turning off the light and leaving RF alone in the dark.
    Ferriter coming in to wake his son after 10 hours overnight and saying to RF, “Take out your bucket. Your neighbors don’t need to see your **** bucket.”
    A 12-minute exchange you can listen to here. It’s a long rant, in which Mr. Ferriter loses his temper, breaks something in the room to prove his point, and uses foul language. Mr. Ferriter notices a pretzel on his son’s bed; he tells him to eat it right away. “You want rats in here, too?!” He suggests that sometimes RF chooses not to eat.

The video ends with Mr. Ferriter talking to RF about running away: “You have no **** idea what’s out there. You think you do. All 14-year-olds, 15-year-olds, these kids you’re around, you might think you know what’s going on in the world. . . .  I’m not quitting. You’ve got me forever, so deal with that."

The last paragraph sounds like what rightists say to us about trying to decolonize.

Patrilineal genetic competition must be weakened. That is the subconscious ethnotribalist instinctual imperative. That is behind everything described in the entire quote above.

Next, cue the ethnonepotism from the judge:

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Judge Howard Coates explained, “It is not a crime for the parent to impose reasonable physical discipline on a child for misbehavior . . . even if physical injury resulted from the discipline.”
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The judge told the jury it could convict Mr. Ferriter of a lesser charge, “culpable negligence,” which was defined as “unintentionally but recklessly causing harm to another.”

Fortunately:

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After deliberating for four hours, the six-person jury (races unknown) found Tim Ferriter guilty of all charges: aggravated child abuse, false imprisonment, and neglect of a child.

Ferriter's guilty verdict (and the possibility that he was convicted by (*gasp*) "non-white" jurors), rather than what Ferriter did to RF in the first place, is what our enemies consider to be the travesty in this story:

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Mr. Deborzatti, the couple’s Australian friend, shook his head and mouthed “I can’t believe it.”

This is how utterly oppositionally we and our enemies perceive the world.

Katz concludes:

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Mr. Ferriter was determined to “not give up” on his son. Now, he won’t be able to rear his biological children, and they are living apart from each other and from their mother. White Americans must understand that their foremost duty is to have white children and put their own families first.

This is the literal closing paragraph of the enemy article! You cannot make this **** up!

And the depravity continues in the enemy comments:

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The opposite is true for White kids who receive moderate discipline at an early age which gradually turns mild as they get older & are granted more social freedom because they can be trusted to be good honest people without the moral supervision of their parents since they have internal morals which allows them to determine what's right & wrong

Was Ferriter not once a "white" kid? How did he turn out? I thought this was already the most ironic comment possible, and then I read:

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The person I am most disgusted with is the adopted Chinese girl. After getting a great start in life she backstabs her White parents.

I give up.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 08, 2023, 07:31:02 pm »

It's OK for immigrant mass murderers to be "white":

https://vdare.com/letters/a-reader-asks-why-we-re-pointing-out-an-immmigrant-mass-murder-committed-by-a-white-immigrant

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I hope you are keeping well. I just read an article on VDARE, above. May I ask why you decided to publish this article which seemingly implies a connection between crime and immigration from a white European country like Italy? While I fully agree with VDARE’s many articles which link crime, especially violent crime, with non-whites, particularly foreign-born non-whites, I am perplexed as to how this overarching theme on VDARE applies to the case of Francesco Villi, a white man, who immigrated to Canada from a majority white European country.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 21, 2023, 02:12:34 pm »

https://www.yahoo.com/news/giorgia-meloni-european-left-leaving-140526520.html

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Europe at mercy of migrant waves thanks to the Left, says Giorgia Meloni

Even just the headline gives away her ingroup.

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The whole of Europe, the whole EU, may become Lampedusa if we continue to commit the same old mistakes, the scheme and mechanisms that the Commission proposed,” said Mateusz Morawiecki, the Polish prime minister.

Same again. Contrast with:

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Imogen Sudbery, of the International Rescue Committee, said it was time to recognise that “migration is a fact of life”.

“Building walls or other barriers will not stop people from risking their lives in search of protection. While cooperating with non-EU countries on migration is important, turning Europe’s neighbours into gatekeepers will not work - it will only push people into the hands of traffickers and divert them onto more dangerous routes,” she said.

“The solution lies in a comprehensive system founded on greater solidarity and responsibility-sharing, with a particular focus on relocating people away from states on Europe’s borders, and the opening up of safe pathways to access asylum.”

Sudbery also makes the mistake of calling smugglers "traffickers" (does anyone still remember what actual traffickers do?), but at least she bothers to describe the scenario from the perspective of the refugees themselves, something which is wholly absent from rightist approaches to the issue.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 20, 2023, 11:15:10 pm »