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Posted by: acc9
« on: October 31, 2022, 01:58:22 am »

Why celebrate Halloween this way? Does it have to be fanatic revelry?
Halloween was hardly ever mentioned in the Far East couple of decades ago, not until it's hyped up by the bar/booze districts, by special make-up cosmetic products, scary props and costumes etc. that's all part of the consumerism plot. 
And of course, Halloween is "Western", hence the attraction to "western bound hearts" and the multitudinous support for its appalling!   
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 07, 2022, 10:16:45 pm »

Western bigots being annoying without even trying:

So without further ado, here are a bunch of questions I have for Japan.

1.Why don't you ever break the rules?

Because they are rules? Duh!

I'll never forget the reaction I got when I crossed the street before the green man appeared on the crosswalk sign. That's because even when there isn't a car in sight, people in Japan wait to cross the street until they are officially signaled to do so.

You should have been arrested. You weren't because most Japanese are Eurocentrists. Which brings us onto:

2.And do you ever get exhausted dealing with loud, clueless gaijin like me?

The Eurocentrists don't.

Generally speaking, people in Japan are very polite and law-abiding. So you'd probably think that visiting gaijin (outsiders), with their tendencies to talk loudly and break the rules (ahem, me), would be treated with distain. Yet, I was never yelled at or treated poorly. In fact, everyone I met seemed to have endless patience and understanding for foreigners.

You weren't treated poorly despite your bad behaviour because you are "white". "Non-white" foreigners in Japan (even those who behave well) have a very different experience from yours.

3.As a culture with so many social ~rules~, why is it still okay to loudly slurp noodles?

Why would it not be?

6.Why can you still smoke in some restaurants and bars, but you can't light up on the street?

Because there are people on the street who don't want to breathe others' secondhand smoke?

while you can still smoke inside some restaurants and bars or light up in your office's smoking room (seriously), if you want to smoke outside, you'll often have to go to a designated, outdoor smoking area.

Confusing. Right? I'd love some answers.

If a restaurant/bar allows smoking, non-smokers will know to avoid it and go to some another restaurant/bar instead. Non-smokers will also avoid the office smoking room. But how can non-smokers be obliged to avoid smokers on the street? Therefore outdoor smokers should be restricted to designated outdoor smoking areas. No, it is not confusing at all. It is elementary ethics. You find it confusing only because you are a Westerner.

7.Does it ever feel funny bowing to people?

**** you.

8.Does it ever annoy you you to constantly take your shoes off and on?

You annoy me.

9.Do the recycling protocols ever confuse you?

Japan takes recycling to the next level. In the US, we throw the entire plastic water bottle in the recycling bin. In Japan, however, you remove the cap and drop it in the designated cap bin, peel off the plastic sleeve and place it in a second bin, and finally, put the plastic bottle itself in a third bin.

That means the government doesn't hire workers to sort the stuff, which needs to be done sooner or later anyway. Either way is fine.

10.For a country that's so conscious about recycling, why are fruits with a peel still wrapped in plastic? And why do you use so many plastic bags?

This is a valid criticism. (But Japan used zero plastic prior to contact with Western civilization.)

14.Are things like maid cafes and girl bands with a troupe of adult male fans really ok?

Maid cafes are a manifestation of Eurocentrism (note the outfits), so from this perspective they are not OK. But stigma against MAPs (see previous post) is a Western attitude.

I went to see a young, all-female J-pop group perform in Tokyo and was shocked to find that the audience that knew every word and sported the band's gear was mainly comprised of men in their 40s.

Is it all okay? Or is there something a bit weird about it?

I fail to see a problem.

16.How come finding a vegetarian meal is so tricky?

This is a valid criticism. (But vegetarian food was easier to find prior to the Meiji Restoration which adopted Western ideas about nutrition.)
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 12, 2022, 06:48:11 pm »

Westerners persecute a good teacher:

A Texas schoolteacher is facing termination after a viral video was posted online showing her telling students to call **** "minor-attracted persons." But students have come to her defense.

In a unanimous vote on Tuesday by the El Paso ISD school board, Amber Parker, a former English teacher at Franklin High School, was terminated after an 18-second video was posted online in August, KFOXT14 reported.

"Stop calling them that. You're not allowed to label people like that. Stop it, Diego," the teacher can be heard saying in the video. "We are not going to call them that. We're going to call them MAPs. Minor Attracted Persons. So don't judge people just because they want to have sex with a 5-year-old."
Last year, Allyn Walker, an assistant professor at Old Dominion University, resigned after they received backlash on their research on minor-attracted people in a book titled "A Long, Dark Shadow: Minor-Attracted People and Their Pursuit of Dignity," NBC reports.

In an interview with the Protasia Foundation, Walker defended their research by saying that they use the term "minor-attracted person" because of the negative stigma associated with the phrase "****."

Such stigma is Western:

Meanwhile in non-Western countries:

The image of the shōjo (young girl) became dominant in Japanese mass media by the 1970s as an idealization of cuteness, innocence, and an "idealized Eros", attributes which became attached to imagery of younger girls over time.[29] **** photographs of shōjo, conceived as fine art, gained popularity: a photo collection entitled Nymphet: The Myth of the 12-Year-Old [ja] was published in 1969, and in 1972 and 1973 there was an "Alice boom" in **** photos themed around Alice in Wonderland.[30]
Iconic characters of the boom include Clarisse from the film Lupin III: Castle of Cagliostro (1979) and Lana from the TV series Future Boy Conan (1978), both directed by Hayao Miyazaki.[56] Clarisse was especially popular, and inspired a series of articles discussing her appeal in the anime specialty magazines Gekkan Out [ja], Animec [ja], and Animage,[57] as well as a trend of fan works (dubbed "Clarisse magazines"[18]) that were not explicitly sexual, but instead "fairytale-esque" and "girly".[43]


Theme: Fire Treasure (Honoo no Takaramono)

I want to go and search for happiness
I want to go life's ways with you, just the two of us
Even on thorny paths, even through freezing nights

Who will embrace the wanderer's cold heart?
Who will make my dreams come true?

This love of mine, like a raging fire
Has me bound
Only for wanting to understand you

I want to give sleep
To you who wander in the wilderness
You are truly a shooting star

This love of mine, like a raging fire
Dispels too the mysterious fog
Only for wanting to understand you

Recall previous discussion on this topic:
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: July 20, 2022, 07:54:43 pm »

Continuing from:


China’s Tsinghua University Punishes Students for LGBTQ Flags
China’s LGBTQ community is coming under increased pressure as President Xi Jinping promotes more conservative and conformist values around gender and sexual identity.

This is what you get when you put a West-worshipper in charge. But the worst thing is that many people have it the wrong way round:

Being gay, bisexual or trans is seen by some in China as a concept imported from the West -- a misconception that draws on the fact that many foreign embassies in Beijing have highlighted gay rights.

Anti-homopohobia is a Counterculture attitude! The Counterculture was an anti-Western movement! It is therefore homophobia which is Western! And above all, homophobia never existed in ancient China!

Homosexuality and homoeroticism in China have been documented since ancient times. According to certain studies by Dr. Bret Hinsch, now associated with Fo Guang University in Taiwan, reviewed in a journal published by the University of London,[2] homosexuality was regarded as a normal facet of life in China, prior to Western influence from 1840 onwards.[3] Several early Chinese emperors are speculated to have had homosexual relationships accompanied by heterosexual ones.[4] Opposition to homosexuality, according to these same studies, did not become firmly established in China until the 19th and 20th centuries, through the Westernization efforts of the late Qing dynasty and the early Chinese Republic.[5]
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: June 21, 2022, 12:11:52 am »

It's crazy how people can laugh at these situations and not come to the conclusion that the idea of gendered clothing itself is pointless and flawed. No one has ever laughed at a man for wearing unisex clothing, because if they did there would be nothing worth joking about in the first place. But we regularly get videos like these where men will wear the clothing of their daughters for an attempt at humor.
Posted by: rp
« on: June 20, 2022, 05:53:00 pm »

There is no end to the degeneracy that is Western social etiquette:
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: June 04, 2022, 12:00:30 am »

I never understood tipping:

The tipping culture, he says, came to India from the West. Just as in 1960s America, employers could pay workers below minimum wages if they earned tips, in 1950s and 60s India - just years into the country's independence - "many standalone restaurants in Delhi's Connaught Place or Kolkata's Park Street or Mumbai's Churchgate Street did not pay their waiters salaries at all and expected them to get by with tips".
Mr Sanghvi has, for years, argued that tips should be totally abolished because:

    it's intrinsically unfair toward waiters alone when many others contribute to the success of the meal

    it tyrannises guests who are never sure how much of a tip to leave

    and if we do not tip the stewardess after a good flight or a nurse who treated us well during a hospital stay, then why must we tip a waiter?


The practice of tipping began in Tudor England.[14] In medieval times, tipping was a master-serf custom wherein a servant would receive extra money for having performed superbly well.[15] By the 17th century, it was expected that overnight guests to private homes would provide sums of money, known as vails, to the host's servants. Soon afterwards, customers began tipping in London coffeehouses and other commercial establishments".[14]
Some have criticized the inherent "social awkwardness" in transactions that involve tipping, the inconsistency of tipping for some services but not similar ones, and the irrationality of basing tips on price, rather than the amount and quality of service (a customer pays a larger tip to a server bringing a lobster rather than a hamburger, for example).[129]
Tipping might be discomforting to some people because it adds the necessity of figuring out the tip amount each time, which is made harder by the fact that the tip amount the service provider is hoping to receive, is in general unknown to the customer. As lack of, or too low, tip might offend the service provider this adds the discomfort of fear of creating an unpleasant social encounter to each service purchase transaction the customer suspects might involve the expectation of tipping.


Lynn's research also found that "blondes get better tips than brunettes. Slender women get better tips than heavier women. Large breasted women get better tips than smaller breasted women.”

The second one is actually justified (as less energy wasted = better service), but I would be more than willing to sacrifice it to get rid of the Eurocentrism and high sexual dimorphism favouritism.
Posted by: guest55
« on: May 28, 2022, 11:38:03 am »

Gravitas: Ground Report: Overtime is killing workers in Japan
In Japan - overtime is taking lives of workers. Some estimates claim up to 10,000 workers die due to overwork in Japan every year. Palki Sharma tells you why Japan's work culture is so toxic.

#Japan #Overtime #Gravitas

Gotta out-do those Westerners if you want to be anything in this life...
Posted by: guest55
« on: May 28, 2022, 10:42:39 am »

Gravitas: Why Japan is obsessed with robots
Japan is often called the 'robot capital' of the world'. From security guards to doctors to therapy experts, Robots do all kinds of odd jobs. How big is Japan's robotics industry? How does it help the country's economy? Palki Sharma brings you a ground report.

#Robots #Japan #Gravitas

Real answer: Westernization.
Posted by: guest55
« on: April 08, 2022, 10:26:03 pm »

Again, arranged does not mean compulsory.

Thanks. I was confused about this obviously.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 07, 2022, 11:36:23 pm »

"learning to love someone that you were not initially attracted to can be a romantic undertaking as the only way to find something attractive about the arranged spouse would be for the other person to learn absolutely everything about them. "

This seems to be a form of adulteration. It reminds me of being forced to learn to play a musical instrument (that I had no interest in) by adults claiming I will learn to like it after I know it inside out. (In reality, it has only caused me to hate Western classical music.)

Romanticism celebrates love at first sight. This can occur within the setting of arranged meetings, just as it can occur when people meet each other by genuine coincidence (e.g. neighbours, colleagues, etc.). Where it cannot occur is when either person is trying to look for someone.

"I think the only way an arranged marriage between two noble persons could turn into a disaster is if both decide to dig in their heels and resist the arrangement purely on the grounds that it was an arranged match in the first place?"

Again, arranged does not mean compulsory. It simply means it can happen without either of the subjects taking any initiative:

"the first thing most Westerners think about when it comes to romantic relationships is physical attraction and sexual intercourse."

The main problem is failure on the part of inferior people to distinguish genuine romantic love from mere lust. If you see someone and want to have sex with them, it is lust. If you see someone and want to prevent other people from having sex with them, it could be romantic love. There is a simple way to test what it really going on. You are given two choices:

a) You can have sex with that person, but so can others.
b) You can't have sex with that person, but neither can anyone else. 

Genuine romantic love will lead you to choose b) without hesitation.

"in an arranged marriage where two noble partners are not sexually attracted to each other, if sex is a must have for one of the people, or both, in the marriage they could seek it else where as long as they were honest and upfront about their intentions and reasoning with the other person in the arranged marriage?"

And as long as they admit they do not love each other. Because if they did, they would rather not have sex with others than hurt their spouse by doing so. Then, since they do not love each other, why marry each other? They should turn down the arranged marriage! Again, arranged does not mean compulsory.
Posted by: guest55
« on: April 07, 2022, 08:47:27 pm »

I would add too in regards to the marriage question, learning to love someone that you were not initially attracted to can be a romantic undertaking as the only way to find something attractive about the arranged spouse would be for the other person to learn absolutely everything about them. This might lead two partners into knowing more about each other than any modern day Western couple could ever hope to express about their romantic partner? I think the only way an arranged marriage between two noble persons could turn into a disaster is if both decide to dig in their heels and resist the arrangement purely on the grounds that it was an arranged match in the first place?

I think as modern people living in the West we are also biased because the first thing most Westerners think about when it comes to romantic relationships is physical attraction and sexual intercourse. This is how we have been trained. Having said this, if I'm not mistaken I do not believe Savitri Devi ever had sexual intercourse with her spouse? Which leads me to think that in an arranged marriage where two noble partners are not sexually attracted to each other, if sex is a must have for one of the people, or both, in the marriage they could seek it else where as long as they were honest and upfront about their intentions and reasoning with the other person in the arranged marriage? Perhaps this is why King's often have mistresses and only had sex with the Queen in order to create an heir for the throne?

The only reason for an arranged marriage between to noble people is to ensure the continuation of noble bloodlines, is it not?
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: April 07, 2022, 01:42:22 am »

Yeah, perhaps I should've worded it better. By "find" I mean cross paths with. Not necessarily to go actively looking for. I've read your position on dating apps and anything adjacent before, and it makes sense.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 07, 2022, 01:19:08 am »

Responding to:

aren't arranged marriages unromantic, since the person in question isn't being given the freedom to potentially find and marry the person that they instinctively know they love enough to pledge life-long loyalty to?

I am against arranged marriages where the subject does not have a choice to turn down the suggestion. (This would be initiated violence, which we are always against.)

The form of arranged marriage which I am claiming is superior to free-market dating is where the subject can turn down as many suggestions as they want. This allows the subject to, in your words, marry the person that they instinctively know they love enough to pledge lifelong loyalty to. But it moreover allows the subject to meet this person while avoiding the thought process of "wanting to find someone" (practically a prerequisite in free-market dating), such avoidance being necessary for romantic love. As I have explained previously, the moment you intentionally set out to find someone, romantic love is already impossible, because whoever eventually fills the vacancy has already been reduced to a vacancy-filler and thus a mere commodity to satisfy your pre-existent desire.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 03, 2022, 10:52:37 pm »

OK, I watched the full documentary, and encourage everyone here to do the same (and come back here to discuss it further if you want to). The trailer does not show the worst parts; you really need to see the whole thing. The following review contains a brief description of some of what is included:

from assembly lines where women prepare silicone sex dolls for demanding clients to private dining rooms where nouveau-riche elites learn how to eat a banana with fork and knife.
The midsection of the film focuses on those enrolled in various seminars and coaching sessions to improve their standing. Women learn business etiquette, including when to hug and how to smile (pleasantly expose the upper eight teeth), while men study to become butlers or bodyguards.
Finally, in the film’s last half-hour, Kingdon enters the realm of wealth and leisure, revealing how those with disposable income spend their free time — in video arcades and amusement parks, or educating themselves on fine European cuisine.

(I hardly need to say that the sex dolls are designed to look like "whites".)

This is what happens when improvement is equated with Westernization. I see it as both a lament to how China has utterly failed to avoid the trap of Westernization, and a warning to other formerly colonized countries - which still have a chance to choose - to not go down this same fallen path as China.

a galling late scene watches an oblivious influencer complaining of possible heat stroke while ignoring the gardener working just a few yards away.

The gardener with the straw hat, bent back, etc. visually looks just like how colonial-era Western propaganda used to stereotype Chinese peasants. Presumably this is the stereotype that the influencer wants (at least subconsciously) to distance herself as far away from as possible. Yet the scene is set up to leave no doubt that the gardener is the relatively more respectable individual (notwithstanding the indignity of having to work on a Western-style lawn:

signifying the imprisonment within Western forms that even a (perhaps) internally non-Westernized Chinese must now endure.....).

Can China still extricate itself from all this? Possibly (I am not optimistic), but first it must vividly remember what it truly means to be Chinese as understood in ancient times (and re-expressed in Counterculture-era pop music):