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Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: March 15, 2023, 08:33:56 pm »

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This is not the correct argument against democracy, because it assumes majority rule is good, and then only argues that democracy is bad because it does not truly produce majority rule but instead leads to minority (capitalist) rule. Thus it only motivates democrats to build a system of democracy that is immune to capitalist manipulation. The only correct way to argue against democracy is to argue that majority rule itself is bad and minority rule is what we want. (But the minority we prefer to rule is of course not the capitalist minority.)

I'm already added the arguments from that book which I'm shown to this forum. Before your correction, I think criticizing democracy because its vulnerability to the capitalism, racism, and westernization is enough to showing the fatal flaws of democracy. Because I also try to give short important arguments too which hopefully easily usable by the members while on debate and doing their political activity
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: March 15, 2023, 05:50:50 pm »

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democratic system is the entry point for the capitalists to gain power.

This is not the correct argument against democracy, because it assumes majority rule is good, and then only argues that democracy is bad because it does not truly produce majority rule but instead leads to minority (capitalist) rule. Thus it only motivates democrats to build a system of democracy that is immune to capitalist manipulation. The only correct way to argue against democracy is to argue that majority rule itself is bad and minority rule is what we want. (But the minority we prefer to rule is of course not the capitalist minority.)
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: March 15, 2023, 09:48:38 am »

How the Former Colonized Nations today keep easily being Manipulated by their Western Colonizers

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"...Create scholars and intellectuals, as well as economists and politicians in various countries, in American and European universities with a Jewish curriculum to be pro-Jewish, that's a fact...

Our intellectuals, our economists studied at Harvard University, studied at Boston, Sorbonne, Cambridge University, they eventually returned to become experts in capitalist economics. And they support the capitalist economic system all out... They recruit, teach all... Again they support America and European policies (Minute 50: 59 to 51: 41)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrYHU5p3p28

Correct way to see Western Civilization part 2

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So far, the Democratic System has only produced world dictators, and produced big-class corruptors, and even created greedy and greedy international capitalists. The democratic system is a source of problems that has spawned many mobs of mafiosos and generations of opportunists, as well as a place where the dogs of the sycophants of power reside. This is because the democratic system is the entry point for the capitalists to gain power.

One man one vote in a democratic system has provided an opportunity for the bourgeoisie to buy people's votes, so that when they are in power they compete to make wealth to return the capital to buy votes, as well as earn the maximum profit. Democratic system is a source of havoc and destruction.

The democratic system is full of intrigue and deception, because this system is always masked by humanity, equality, justice, deliberation and consensus. In fact, this system is the most inhumane, just look at how the allied countries in the name of democracy have ravaged Iraq and Afghanistan. In fact, this system at least respects equality, the proof is that people of color are still second-class citizens in Western countries that adhere to democracy. Precisely this system is the most unfair, the proof is that they blatantly prohibit Muslim women in their country from wearing the headscarf.

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in the Islamic system the standard of truth is common sense which is based on Shari'a, while in a democratic system the standard of truth is pain which is based on the desires of the majority group. Therefore, in the Islamic System, the good and bad of something is determined by the Shari'a, and must be accepted by common sense. While in a democratic system, whether something is good or bad depends on the desires of the people, even though it is not in accordance with the Shari'a or does not make sense.

in the Islamic System, the voice of the Ulama is not the same as the voice of the Layman, between the voice of the Sholeh and the voice of the bad person. While in a Democratic System everyone's voice is the same: Clerics and Corruptors, Teachers and Prostitutes, Santri and Criminals, Warriors and Losers, Heroes and Bastards, there is no difference in the value of their votes. Therefore, in the Islamic System, only good people are asked for their opinions and their voices are assessed, and even then their voices are still referred to as human voices. While in a Democratic System all good and bad people are equated, even their voices are all referred to as the voice of God.

Source :

1. https://books.google.co.id/books/about/Hancurkan_liberalisme_tegakkan_syariat_I.html?hl=id&id=f_ySpwAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

2. https://123dok.com/document/z1324ldq-hancurkan-liberalisme-tegakkan-syariat-islam.html 

Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: March 14, 2023, 11:12:51 am »

Result from Muslims's Ignorance

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So just like in the economic and political fields, the Judeo-Christian West is actually also very interested in getting its claws in the field of religion. Thomas Stamford Raffles in his famous book, The History of Java, wrote very clearly about efforts to spread and hegemony of religion. He said: "The Dutch had a goal, as the main policy, to spread Christianity in the eastern archipelago. The Portuguese had succeeded in carrying out the same goal before..." (Thomas Stamford Raffles, The History of Java, p. 143).

Missionary efforts connected with Orientalists and colonialists in launching this program of thought and religious destruction can also be proven through the recognition of Alb C. Kruyt (a figure of the Nederlands bijbelgenootschap) and OJH Graaf van Limburg Stirum, as quoted by Dr. Aqib Suminto follows: Christianization was an important factor in the colonization process and Christian zending was an ally for the colonial government, so that the government would help face any obstacles that hindered the expansion of zending.

While the prominent missionary program is changing the minds of Muslims. This strategy has long been proclaimed by Samuel Zwemmer, an Orientalist who serves as director of missionary organizations and who is also the founder of The Muslim World journal. In 1935 at the Christian Missionary Conference in the City of Jerusalem, Zwemmer said that:

Our main mission as Christians is not to destroy Muslims, but to make a Muslim being apostate from Islam, so that he becomes an immoral Muslim. This will open the door for imperialist victory in Islamic countries. Your goal is to create a new generation that is far from Islam. Generations of Muslims who conform to the will of the colonialists, generations who are lazy and only pursue the satisfaction of their desires.

Within the chain of Western culture, the mission movement has two tasks: destroying the opposing civilization (Islam) and rebuilding it in the form of Western civilization. This needs to be done so that Muslims can stand in the ranks of Western culture, in the end a generation of Muslims who are hostile to their own religion emerge.

Liberalization of Islam in Islamic Boarding Schools by Mohammad Achyat Ahmad pages 196 to 202
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: March 14, 2023, 10:43:42 am »

Self-Reflection, and Correct way for the muslims on seeing Western Civilization

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Now, everyone must realize that this is an acute problem that is endemic in the Muslim intellectual world. This attitude of adoption without adaptation is shown by Thaha Husain, an expert on Arabic literature from Egypt (1889-1976). In his book, Mustaqbal ats-Tsaqafah fi Mishr, he says, "We must imitate the Europeans in order to be equal to them in civilization; whether it is good or bad, sweet or bitter, and what is liked or what is hated from them." No less extreme than Thaha Husain's statement, is what Abdullah Cevdet, a leader of the Young Turks Movement, has emphasized, "There is only one civilization, and that is European civilization. Therefore, we must borrow Western Civilization, both its roses and its thorns. at a time."

Applicatively, such statements have actually animates Muslim students who study in the West equally. Without saying such extreme words, they now seem to be very fond of picking up Western scientific discourses, concepts, and methodologies, to then apply them in dissecting the concepts, teachings, and understandings that exist in Islam, by using the Western perspective (framework).

This irony actually departs from an attitude of exaggerated awe towards the West, giving rise to feelings of inferiority and blunting of critical power towards the West. So it is not surprising, if they are generally of the view that the West is superior to Islam in many ways, including in the field of religion. From here, they then adopted Western sciences, concepts and methodologies as well as their point of view, so that they did not leave room for the Islamic point of view to participate in making selections, comments and criticisms in their study methodology. Ultimately, West would go on to win, from the first round all the way to the end.

Liberalization of Islam in Islamic Boarding Schools by Mohammad Achyat Ahmad pages 265 to 267

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We have to admit that the West is indeed more advanced in technology and science, and we have a lot to learn about it from them. However, we must also realize that the West is very ignorant in terms of morality. Therefore, in the context of thought, divine philosophy and moral philosophy, we must not be talkative towards the West. In this respect, they are far behind and below us. ...

d. Nawawy Sadoellah
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 16, 2023, 08:40:40 pm »

https://www.yahoo.com/news/equity-builder-racial-barrier-debate-121500234.html

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Equity Builder or Racial Barrier: Debate Rages Over Role of 8th-Grade Algebra
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While some say schools should double down on the course and offer it to all children starting in the eighth grade, others say it’s time to drop higher-level algebra as a graduation requirement

Neither of these is the correct answer.

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“The relationship between math and science is very strong,” said Talia Milgrom-Elcott, executive director and founder of Beyond100K, a group which aspires to prepare and retain 150,000 new STEM teachers, especially for schools serving majority Black, Hispanic and Native American students, by 2032. “A whole set of careers would be closed off to them — all of which happened to be some of the fastest growing and highest paying. From an equity perspective, it’s almost untenable.”

We should be trying to end these career fields altogether (True Leftism), not make them more inclusive (False Leftism)! These career fields should never have existed in the first place! Yes, leaving STEM "white"-dominated is extremely dangerous to everyone else, but the correct way to end "white" domination of STEM is to phase out STEM completely, not to keep violently pushing "non-whites" into STEM whether they like it or not in order to perpetually compete with "whites" in STEM.

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“The problem is that sometimes people try to solve the gap by claiming that the issue is with math itself,” he said. “Then you have counterproductive and harmful policies that try to fix equity by trying to lower the ceiling and remove advanced math options for everyone, or replace them with superficial areas like ‘data science.’”

The part in bold is the True Left solution. Of course False Leftists would describe it as "counterproductive and harmful" because they are progressives.

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He recognizes the importance of the subject for a calculus-based pathway in math at the high school and college level — and its relevance to STEM.

Imagine how much better the world would be today if calculus had never been invented.....

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/truth-knowledge/msg1113/#msg1113

Posted by: HH88
« on: December 25, 2022, 03:06:52 am »

"Make a small non-profit community which goal is to have a rest place for oppressed young and child. It needs farms and healthy sanitations on the first stage, so when we are got boycott from the people or groups who dislike us, we still can eat and drink. And use ethical law based on Sharia and Schopenhauerism to make a good empathic ethical rule. When a hopeless people escape from oppressive community, try to help them to find our base. Make power and movement from that early work."

I see, will relay to my friend.
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: December 23, 2022, 04:33:31 pm »

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How do we advocate people running away from their families, let alone make it mainstream?

Make a small non-profit community which goal is to have a rest place for oppressed young and child. It needs farms and healthy sanitations on the first stage, so when we are got boycott from the people or groups who dislike us, we still can eat and drink. And use ethical law based on Sharia and Schopenhauerism to make a good empathic ethical rule. When a hopeless people escape from oppressive community, try to help them to find our base. Make power and movement from that early work.
Posted by: HH88
« on: December 23, 2022, 06:16:02 am »

"Then we have university to continue destroying the psyche of young people. The brain keeps developing until the mid-20s, and probably by no coincidence, that is how long it would take someone to get a PhD if they went to university straight after high school."

Thankfully I moved out as soon as I graduated high school (at the age of 18). Never going back again.

"Westerners have perfectly honed things so young people's entire brain development cycles are riddled with nothing but stress and violence."

And we wonder why we have so many losers and are in increasingly depressed and drugged world. Yet Transhumanists like Zoltan Istvan (Gentile) advocate extending education to college/university. Alhamdulillah, it seems like that is thankfully only a minority, since almost everyone (apart from a small group of false leftists) doesn't take that seriously, let alone extending it.

How do we advocate people running away from their families, let alone make it mainstream?
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 07, 2022, 04:17:56 pm »

In response to this article:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rishi-sunak-volodymyr-zelensky-why-110945034.html

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at 5ft 7in, two inches smaller than the average man, Rishi Sunak is physically diminutive.

the following woke comment is a simple decolonizing action that we should repeat more often:

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This author seems to be thinking in European standard only, most other people in the world are not tall. Especially Indians.
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Really inappropriate article from somebody who thinks that only kinds of humans that exist are the kind of people that exist in western Europe.

This Eurocentric bias appears frequently, therefore needs to be challenged every time we come across it:

https://thebonescience.com/blogs/journal/average-height-around-the-world

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According to the World Health Organization's (WHO) growth reference standards, the expected average height of a woman should be 163 cm (5 ft 4.3 in) and the average height of a man 176.5 cm (5 ft 9.5 in).

However, the actual global average height of a woman is only 159.5 cm (5 ft 2.8 in) and the average height of a man is 171 cm (5 ft 7.3 in).
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 21, 2022, 06:07:41 pm »

No. We need to show it so that people can study how it is evil. This is why we have topics like this one:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/

Also we need to keep finding out who in each generation likes this stuff so that they can be prohibited from reproducing.
Posted by: antihellenistic
« on: October 21, 2022, 09:32:52 am »

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Not only should Aotearoa discover its own stories first, but it should also discover the stories of nearby fellow victims of Western colonialism.

And also discover the evilness of Western philosophy, art, and way of life so they no need to preserve it but burn all of it. Only the liberals who still need to preserve all kinds of teachings and worldview for the sake of pluralism. Even though there's  a worldview which bad for all of us
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 21, 2022, 03:06:21 am »

One of the best headlines of the year:

https://www.renews.co.nz/thou-art-boring-as-****-is-shakespeare-relevant-to-nz-in-2022/

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Every year in high school, Sasha Hutchinson had to read William Shakespeare’s plays - and she never understood why.

It just didn’t seem relevant, she said.

“Now I’m prioritising reading Māori authors more often as we never got to study any NZ literature at school.”

There’s no requirement for schools to teach Shakespeare but when Re:News asked its followers about whether they learnt Shakespeare at school, almost everyone replied that it was part of their English course at high school.

But is learning about Shakespeare relevant in Aotearoa in 2022?

After 10 years of providing funding to the New Zealand secondary school Shakespeare Festival commonly known as Sheilah Winn, Creative New Zealand (CNZ) has decided not to fund the festival in their 2023 to 2025 Kahikatea funding round.

A CNZ advisory board member wrote in a statement that the festival didn’t receive funding because it focuses on “a canon of imperialism”.

Another funding assessor wrote: “I question whether a singular focus on an Elizabethan playwright is most relevant for a decolonising Aotearoa in the 2020s and beyond.”
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“We basically did one of his plays every year at high school. His work is important but that level of revisiting is overkill,” one person wrote.

Others thought the focus on Shakespeare was at the sake of work that highlighted the culture, issues and history of Aotearoa.

“I love Shakespeare, but the fact that it is held as the epitome of literary intellectuality in New Zealand is coloniality at its finest,” one person told Re:News.

Decolonising art
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Shakespeare and colonisation are “bedfellows” and British colonisers used it as an example of how people should act and what they should think of as high art, Hyland said.

“It would be a massive, awesome act of decolonisation if we discovered our own stories first and discovered Shakespeare afterwards,” Hyland said.

“Wouldn't it be great if young people could come home and say, ‘Hey, Mum, Dad, I just found this story and it's really similar to Hinemoana and Tūtānekai. It's Romeo and Juliet’.”

Not only should Aotearoa discover its own stories first, but it should also discover the stories of nearby fellow victims of Western colonialism.
Posted by: rp
« on: October 18, 2022, 08:49:34 pm »

@90sRetroFan
"Shapiro coupling"
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 12, 2022, 08:02:07 pm »