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Posted by: 2ThaSun
« on: April 23, 2023, 11:33:03 pm »

The Coup - "The Guillotine"
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"The Guillotine" by The Coup from the new album 'Sorry To Bother You,' out now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acT_PSAZ7BQ

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2020 and this song is more relevant than ever.
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this song aged extremely well
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How has this musical GENUS been so underrated?!!! He's one of the greats, just slept on!
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All of The Coup’s music has been ahead of it’s time  since the 90s…  these guys were woke before “woke” became a trend
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Damn this song gets more relevant every month this year...
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Sorry to Bother You was a masterpiece 💝
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 23, 2023, 10:21:27 pm »

Another drama with this type of scenery is:

https://list.youku.com/albumlist/show/id_989126.html

For example:

https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTIyMzA4MDg=.html?spm=a2h1n.8251843.playList.5!7~1!2~3~A&f=989126&o=1

the heroes' hangout, the police station, the train station, the warehouse and various other locations are all in this style. Note the heavy use of fluorescent lights (also seen in the convenience store). In the dog search scene (starting 38:10), the hero even bumps his head on a railing at 38:50!



Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 22, 2023, 06:24:36 pm »

One reason why I posted:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg18991/#msg18991

is because this is also a series filled with this type of scenery. For example, the duel scene starting 15:58 in Ep3:

https://archive.org/details/sukeban-deka-ii/Sukeban+Deka+II+(1985)+%5BTSHS%5D+episode+03+%5B94118537%5D.mp4

Note the abundance of concrete, railings, wire fences, rust, peeling paint, and placement of junk. This type of scenery is the norm throughout the series. Contrast with the emphatically Western scenery (cutlery, wine glasses, chandelier, patterned curtains/wallpaper/carpet, and above all Western classical music!), surrounding the villains, such as in the dinner scene starting 2:46 in Ep6:

https://archive.org/details/sukeban-deka-ii/Sukeban+Deka+II+(1985)+%5BTSHS%5D+episode+06+%5BC6DF5078%5D.mp4
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 20, 2023, 05:18:43 pm »

Back in the old days I recommended this drama to Hashtali (unfortunately YouTube only has two episodes plus a short clip) which is filled with this type of scenery:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ik5GbOqHi4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C84csJYTXPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OR6IaiLzW0
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 19, 2023, 09:12:58 pm »

"Cheng has some potential"

She achieves her thinness by dieting, so I am hesitant. I certainly appreciate her positive qualities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammi_Cheng

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In the 1990s, another female star, Faye Wong was one of her main rivals.[14] When they were on stage together, they would be cold to one another. The rivalry was confirmed in the 1999 TVB music award night. Both Wong and Cheng were arranged to sit next to each other backstage.[14] Cheng avoided Wong by repeatedly going off stage to fix her make-up. In addition, her fans were angry and hissed at Faye Wong when she went on stage to receive an award.[14]

 ;D

Everyone respectable back in those days hated the subhuman:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17680/#msg17680

Which brings me to antenna (0:36-1:10, 1:56-2:35) being another element of this type of scenery:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PH7nva1314

More railings and concrete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi6sQJD1Rbc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV9rD-8DYqg

Antenna + wire fences + junk-filled rooftop + random homeless guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af_3vvnmZ8Q

"As any true minimalist should prefer."

This is why it is impossible to take seriously rightist claims that undecorative scenery is a "globalist conspiracy to demoralize people". I watch MVs with this type of scenery to heal myself! It is only the inferior who get demoralized by absence of decoration, and the problem is with them, not with the scenery!
Posted by: HikariDude
« on: April 18, 2023, 10:24:46 pm »

"Yes, although this one was not written to be a duet, so it just sounds like two people harmonizing lyrics meant for one person."

Fine enough. I still like the song though.

"Here is a true Cheng-Hui duet (note how each singer has their own lyrical perspective)"

I noticed the lyrical perspectives as well as I could hear how, while singing different lyrics, they coincide due to their similar amount in syllables. If only I was born early enough to experience this sort of artistic creativity.

Also, would you ever put Cheng and Hui in:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/

or at least one of them? Hui, I could understand not, but I believe Cheng has some potential (though I wouldn't know who to boot).

"Note also the scenery elements used in the above MV, such as the bare concrete (0:00), sidewalk guards made of pipe (0:46), etc.."

I noticed it at 0:00. The lighting there was so cool and calming.

"(wire fences, pipe railings, plastic chairs, and lots of bare concrete)"

As any true minimalist should prefer.

"(peeling paint, bamboo scaffolding, rusted window frames, dried climbing plants - brilliant!)"

Though things like paint aren't that necessary in the first place, when they get worn out, it just reveals their true worth (which does make the aesthetic beautiful). I remember I used to peel the wallpaper (another unnecessary invention you mentioned here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4019/?topicseen#msg4019

) in my house as a child.

"MVs with this type of scenery are worth posting here for the visuals alone. I will try to find more over time!"

Hitler would be proud of those MVs. I know I am and this is coming from someone of non-Aryan ancestry (who has gladly volunteered not to reproduce). I hope you, 90sRF, become an example people can follow. :)
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 18, 2023, 07:17:16 pm »

Yes, although this one was not written to be a duet, so it just sounds like two people harmonizing lyrics meant for one person. Here is a true Cheng-Hui duet (note how each singer has their own lyrical perspective):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAk-76pK8J8

Note also the scenery elements used in the above MV, such as the bare concrete (0:00), sidewalk guards made of pipe (0:46), etc.. Here is another duet MV celebrating this type of scenery (wire fences, pipe railings, plastic chairs, and lots of bare concrete):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_xsDoUtkc4

The following duet MV goes takes this aesthetic even further (peeling paint, bamboo scaffolding, rusted window frames, dried climbing plants - brilliant!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vqRYTVoiC0

MVs with this type of scenery are worth posting here for the visuals alone. I will try to find more over time!

For now just one more, this time a solo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkr6cVXWGqQ
Posted by: HikariDude
« on: April 18, 2023, 10:02:31 am »

"Do you like duets?"

Why not? There's this song called 'Sekaiju no Dare Yori Kitto' and it had a great melody and composition I listened to it over and over again (including versions of other languages).

Even these Counterculture icons (Sammi Cheng and Andy Hui) made their own version of it calling it 'Only You are Irreplaceable' and it was beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWrdWND43Lo
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 17, 2023, 08:33:54 pm »

It has some similarities with duets (which I also love), but there is a greater feeling of elemental and temporal displacement between the hero and heroine: elemental because one is singing whereas the other is speaking (in contrast to duets where both are singing), and temporal because the speaker is not responding to a live performance but to a recording of the singer (in contrast to duets where both singers are responding to each other in real-time). It is thus perfectly suited to themes of separation, regret and imagined possibilities that did not become real.

Do you like duets?
Posted by: HikariDude
« on: April 17, 2023, 08:43:48 am »

This seems very deep. The music seemed majestic. Though I didn't really understand the lyrics, somehow the phonetics fit in with the melody. The monologue fit in too. I understand a lyrics' phonetic pronunciation isn't really as much appreciation as a lyrics' meaning (same with monologue) but if I understood the meaning (or if a song drama was in my language), I think I could understand your view. I may've not praised sound effects before, but in this case, it was simple and had representation. It enhanced the tone of the song drama.

"Song dramas fell out of fashion with the wider decline of radio as a whole by the end of the 90s."

Well at least there's podcasts or audiobooks that can hopefully revive it.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 17, 2023, 01:14:28 am »

"fantasizing while music is playing."

One of my favourite Counterculture-era art forms is the song drama, where the DJ imagines a brief scenario that the song could be about and then narrates that scenario using a spoken monologue (plus sound effects) woven between the lyrics, complementing the song. Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn3R6HJn4_8

Song dramas fell out of fashion with the wider decline of radio as a whole by the end of the 90s.
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: April 16, 2023, 11:50:28 pm »

@90sRetroFan I care about lyrics a lot too. I don’t really listen to instrumental music all that much, unless it’s really good or strikes a chord with me for whatever reason. But that might be partially because I have a weird relationship with music. I have maladaptive daydreaming, so I like to listen to music with lyrics that are relevant to whatever I’m thinking about or wanting to fantasize about at the time. It’s honestly a bad habit that I should probably shake off at some point, because there’s no use fantasizing about versions of myself that I’d like to be or places and events that I wish were real, when I could be spending all that extra time on making them closer to reality in the first place

Maladaptive daydreaming and music are so intertwined for me, that I feel like if I wasn’t a maladaptive daydreamer, I’d probably listen to music a lot less, or even stop entirely. Maybe that’s just my current brain telling myself that though, and I would just need to readjust if I were to give it up after all this time. It’s weird actually, because some of the earliest memories I have, are of me pacing around and fantasizing while music is playing. It’s something that I’ve done since I could walk, basically
Posted by: HikariDude
« on: April 16, 2023, 10:14:55 pm »

"That's another difference between us, then. Lyrics are very important to me."

I guess I've stopped caring for lyrics ever since I started listening to foreign music. I used to pay attention to so much detail, but then it stopped more material went in my life. So if I thought like an anti-materialist, this would be my favorite music:



this would be my favorite visual art:



and this would be my favorite piece of literature:

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 16, 2023, 09:56:16 pm »

"I don't care about lyrics in music."

That's another difference between us, then. Lyrics are very important to me. The same melody with different lyrics changes the effect of the song completely for me. The same lyrics put to different melodies also do not feel the same.

"two different music that are similarly high in spirit."

I'm not sure that it is quantifiable. It's like asking for "two similarly funny jokes".
Posted by: HikariDude
« on: April 16, 2023, 07:12:04 pm »

I just want to be sure if I'm understanding your recommendations of non-western artwork. I don't care about lyrics in music. I can spot it without it. Maybe if you want, you can show me two different music that are similarly high in spirit.