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Now I remember:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/misinformation-about-racial-origins/msg22040/#msg22040

But whereas in the meme you posted the alpha views this shape as a sign of fertility, in our earlier discussion you said:

In my case, it was a certain matriarchal impulse that made me attracted to them, the feeling that a woman like Kaur would be able to provide me with "love" and "warmth" of a "caring mother/older sister".

So you seem to be seeking closer to what the beta in the meme is seeking, but find it in the alpha's preference? But if so, then why dislike large breasts?

Even more confusingly, you later say:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/misinformation-about-racial-origins/msg22043/#msg22043

With an ectomorph it is different. In particular, if they are shorter than me, although I feel sexually attracted to them, the feeling of attraction (while certainly surpassing my feelings of attraction toward skinny-fat women with Aryan faces of similar stature, to the point of manifesting in reproductive desire) is not the same. I recognize that the height difference between genders is simply a biological fact, but one cannot deny the sexual dynamics at play. It is not necessarily a negative thing, as I view them to be more neotenous (perhaps even more so than myself), and I am drawn toward their childlike innocence. I feel this way with shorter skinny-fat women with Aryan faces as well, but with them, this attraction manifests in a somewhat patriarchal impulse of a "caring father/older brother".

On the other hand, an ectomorphic woman who is as facially beautiful as Kaur but taller than me would certainly illicit a greater feeling of attraction (even reproductive desire) than both ectomorphic women of smaller stature with Aryan faces and non-ectomorphic women with Aryan faces of similar stature (i.e. Kaur herself).

This would suggest you also seek what the alpha seeks, but find it in the ectomorph? And if so, is it the case that you were attracted only to curvy bodies when you were younger, and only developed an attraction for thin bodies as you grew up (as depicted in the alpha pathway of the meme, but substituting your preferences)?

(In contrast, I want to emphasize that my preference for ectomorphs is precisely because they appear less fertile.)

"But do you agree that preference for boobs over ass is a sign of possible neoteny"

Not generally, because this presumes that the above is the only mechanism that produces this preference. In reality, there are likely to be multiple mechanisms leading to the same preference.

Besides, female infants also breastfeed. Should not the above model therefore apply to them also?

"I myself can't stand extremely large breasted women (who more often than not have non Aryan faces). On the other hand, women with a somewhat "curvy" (endomorphic) somatotype, and hence a somewhat large posterior, I am attracted to provided they have an Aryan face."

Please post pictures.

The alpha is the Yahwist who will perpetuate the cycle into the next generation, and who hence should be prohibited from reproducing first. "Stunted development" is just another term for neoteny.

Another prodigy:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/22/devon-schoolboy-joins-mensa-with-higher-iq-score-than-einstein

Rory Bidwell, 12, recently achieved the maximum possible score for his age group of 162 on the Cattell III B test
...
Rory, a year 7 student at Great Torrington school, is said to have completed 100-piece puzzles at the age of two and mastered year 7 level algebra in year 2.

During the first eight weeks of the coronavirus lockdown of 2020, he read all seven Harry Potter books – more than 1 million words.

He is also said to be a big sports fan, representing his school in cross-country, football and rugby, earning accolades such as player of the year for Torridgeside football team. He also competes for Torridgeside swimming club.

Face:

More prodigies:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chess-prodigy-accused-cheating-vibrating-022055756.html

Hans Niemann, 19, defeated the Norwegian grandmaster Magnus Carlsen, 31, in a chess match

"Would you agree that Texiera looks young, in this picture for example (note the lack of facial hair):"

This is the reduced/paedomorphic type that we keep talking about.

"So a robust child who remains robust as an adult is not neotenous?"

They are not, because maturation only ever increases robustness.

"those who were robust as children are automatically disqualified as they were already adulterated?"

Yes!

"Youthful looking (neoteny) =/= Aryan looking (gracility)."

I think there is some confusion here. Recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg18568/#msg18568

Gracility and neoteny are not the same thing, as there exist people who are already robust as children (e.g. https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg17900/#msg17900 ). When we associate gracility with neoteny, we are talking about those who were not robust as children who also manage to avoid gaining robustness during puberty being more neotenous than (and hence superior to) those who were not robust as children but who gain robustness during puberty.

All gracile adults used to be gracile children. In other words, all gracile adults are neotenous.

On the other hand, some robust adults used to be gracile children, while other robust adults used to be robust children (albeit less robust than the adults they eventually became). Neither are neotenous.

Teixeira reminds me of Shapiro who was previously discussed here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg461/#msg461

Note Teixeira's deep eye sockets. That is not neotenous.

The GIF you posted is Eurocentrist propaganda. It is easy to find counterexamples:

https://img1.doubanio.com/view/photo/l/public/p2335599129.webp

https://up.gc-img.net/post_img_web/2021/12/d73b143732c14c2042f5c785bc41652d_22282.jpeg

(See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg8720/#msg8720 )

Gracility and neoteny are not the same thing, as there exist people who are already robust as children (e.g. https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg17900/#msg17900 ). When we associate gracility with neoteny, we are talking about those who were not robust as children who also manage to avoid gaining robustness during puberty being more neotenous than (and hence superior to) those who were not robust as children but who gain robustness during puberty.

The general rule is: the lighter the effects of puberty on a person, the more neotenous the person is.

This is most clearly seen in body hair (which increases most during puberty):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_hair#Across_populations

Stewart W. Hindley and Albert Damon of the Department of Anthropology at Stanford University studied, in 1973, the frequency of hair on the middle finger joint (mid-phalangeal hair) of Solomon Islanders, as a part of a series of anthropometric studies of these populations. They summarize other studies on prevalence of this trait as reporting, in general, that Caucasoids are more likely to have hair on the middle finger joint than Negroids and Mongoloids, and collect the following frequencies from previously published literature: Andamanese 0%, Eskimo 1%, African American 16% or 28%, Ethiopians 25.6%, Mexicans of the Yucatan 20.9%, Penobscot and Shinnecock 22.7%, Gurkha 33.6%, Japanese 44.6%, various Hindus 40–50%, Egyptians 52.3%, Near Eastern peoples 62–71%, various Europeans 60–80%. However, they never completed an Androgenic hair map.[18]

According to anthropologist and professor Ashley Montagu in 1989, Asian people and black people such as the San people are less hairy than white people. Montagu said that the hairless feature is a neotenous trait.[19]