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Posted by: rp
« on: November 11, 2022, 06:00:25 pm »

Ah, I see. Forgot about the posts that came right before it.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 11, 2022, 05:38:46 pm »

It seemed to fit with the discussion about exclusive concern for ingroup people being run over.
Posted by: rp
« on: November 11, 2022, 05:20:00 pm »

Why was the previous post moved to this thread?
Posted by: rp
« on: November 11, 2022, 08:26:09 am »

Posted by: rp
« on: November 08, 2022, 11:40:01 pm »

Everyday when driving I see countless animals that have been killed on the road.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 08, 2022, 04:58:13 pm »

No one got run over back when no one used cars. Therefore, if the aim is to return to this condition, the correct solution is to end the use of cars. Of course Westerners do not think like this. The Western solution is always to add another machine to solve the problems caused by an existing machine.

Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of victims of being run over are non-humans:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg38/#msg38

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Very large numbers of mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and invertebrates are killed on the world's roads every day.[9] The number of animals killed in the United States has been estimated at a million per day.[10][11]
About 350,000 to 27 million birds are estimated to be killed on European roads each year.[12]
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Merritt Clifton (editor of Animal People Newspaper) estimated that the following animals are being killed by motor vehicles in the United States annually: 41 million squirrels, 26 million cats, 22 million rats, 19 million opossums, 15 million raccoons, 6 million dogs, and 350,000 deer.[15]
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In 2011, Dutch biologist Arnold van Vliet coordinated a similar study of insect deaths on car license plates. He found two insects killed on the license-plate area for every 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) driven. This implies about 1.6 trillion insect deaths by cars per year in the Netherlands, and about 32.5 trillion deaths in the United States if the figures are extrapolated there.[19]

Are all of them going to be given smartphones too? Of course not. Whereas ending use of cars helps all victims, the Western solution cares about helping only ingroup victims. Which is exactly what we would expect.
Posted by: bondburger
« on: November 08, 2022, 06:28:57 am »

https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/19/ford-drivers-could-get-alerts-from-nearby-pedestrians-phones/?guccounter=1

Future cyclists and pedestrians will be expected to carry smart-phones everywhere to avoid being ran over.
Posted by: rp
« on: November 06, 2022, 05:02:22 pm »

Jews Lex Fridman and Ray Kurzweil discuss singularity and immortality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykY69lSpDdo
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 03, 2022, 05:10:41 pm »

If Western civilization had never existed, AI would never have existed:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3pezm/scientists-increasingly-cant-explain-how-ai-works

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The people who develop AI are increasingly having problems explaining how it works and determining why it has the outputs it has.
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These types of AI systems notoriously have issues because the data they are trained on are often inherently biased, mimicking the racial and gender biases that exist within our society. The haphazard deployment of them leads to situations where, to use just one example, Black people are disproportionately misidentified by facial recognition technology. It becomes difficult to fix these systems in part because their developers often cannot fully explain how they work, which makes accountability difficult.
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“Additionally, if we grow accustomed to accepting AI’s answers without an explanation, essentially treating it as an Oracle system, we would not be able to tell if it begins providing wrong or manipulative answers.”

So how is AI developed?

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Black box models can be extremely powerful, which is how many scientists and companies justify sacrificing explainability for accuracy. AI systems have been used for autonomous cars, customer service chatbots, and diagnosing disease, and have the power to perform some tasks better than humans can. For example, a machine that is capable of remembering one trillion items, such as digits, letters, and words, versus humans, who on average remember seven in their short-term memory would be able to process and compute information at a much faster and improved rate than humans. Among the different deep learning models include generative adversarial networks (GANs), which are most often used to train generative AI models, such as text-to-image generator MidJourney AI. GANs essentially pit AI models against each other to do a specific task; the "winner" of each interaction is then pitted against another model, allowing the model to iterate itself until it becomes very good at doing that task. The issue is that this creates models that their developers simply can't explain.

Imitate natural selection! What could possibly go wrong?

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When we put our trust in a system simply because it gives us answers that fit what we are looking for, we fail to ask key questions: Are these responses reliable, or do they just tell us what we want to hear? Whom do the results ultimately benefit? And who is responsible if it causes harm?

They tell you what you want to hear. Western civilization. Western civilization.

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“The risks are that the system may be making decisions using values we disagree with, such as biased (e.g. racist or sexist) decisions. Another risk is that the system may be making a very bad decision, but we cannot intervene because we do not understand its reasoning,”

So why develop AI at all?

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AI systems are already deeply entrenched with bias and are constantly reproducing such bias in their output without developers understanding how. In a groundbreaking 2018 study called “Gender Shades,” researchers Joy Buolamwini and Timnit Gebru found that popular facial recognition systems most accurately detected males with lighter skin and had the highest errors detecting females with darker skin. Facial recognition systems, which are skewed against people of color and have been used for everything from housing to policing, deepen pre-existing racial biases by determining who is more likely to get a house or be identified as a criminal, for example.

AI is a Western invention! What else would we expect?

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At the same time, some experts argue that simply shifting to open and interpretable AI models—while allowing greater visibility of these processes—would result in systems that are less effective.

“There are many tasks right now where black box approaches are far and away better than interpretable models,” Clune said. “The gap can be large enough that black box models are the only option, assuming that an application is not feasible unless the capabilities of the model are good enough. Even in cases where the interpretable models are more competitive, there is usually a tradeoff between capability and interpretability. People are working on closing that gap, but I suspect it will remain for the foreseeable future, and potentially will always exist.”

I agree. Which is why AI should never have begun to exist in the first place.

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The issue with explainability has to do with the fact that because AI systems have become so complex, blanket explanations only increase the power differential between AI systems and their creators, and AI developers and their users.

It's a Western feature.

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“Maybe the answer is to abandon the illusion of explanation, and instead focus on more rigorously testing the reliability, biases, and performance of models, as we try to do with humans,” Clune said.

Maybe the answer is to end Western civilization altogether?

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if you build explainable AI with a one-size-fits-all design process, “you end up with something where it has explanations that only make sense to one group of people who are involved in the system in practice,”

Guess which group that is?

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“If we orient knowledge and AI around big data, then we're always going to bias towards those who have the resources to spin up a thousand servers, or those who have the resources to, you know, get a billion images and train them,”
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“The question first is, what are the conditions under which AI is developed? Who gets to decide when it's deployed? And with what reasoning? Because if we can't answer that, then all good intentions in the world around how do we live with that [AI] are all screwed,” they added. “If we're not participating in those conversations, then it's a losing game. All you can do is have something that works for people with power, and silences the people who don't.

Homework: under which civilization did those with power today acquire the power they currently have?
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 27, 2022, 12:13:47 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbIgjGx3XfM

Anyone interested in becoming a vampire slayer? Let us know here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/

By the way, mainstream journalism is picking up on the terminology we started using first:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushner-stays-shape-preparation-210913292.html

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Jared Kushner was born in 1981, which is on the cusp of Generation X and millennials — so it’s unclear with which he identifies. But maybe we should say he’s part of Generation Vampire because he recently shared that he thinks he is part of the “first generation to live forever.”
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 15, 2022, 08:11:03 pm »

https://us.yahoo.com/news/future-astronauts-may-breathe-easier-221752125.html

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Breathe easy, astronauts: Scientists just paved the way for a technique to produce breathable oxygen on the International Space Station (ISS) using magnets—a potentially much cheaper strategy than the technologies currently used. The goal isn’t simply to cut the costs of supporting astronauts in space right now, but to make the entire endeavor of human space travel more accessible down the road.
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Of course, the next big step is to actually test this out in space. Romero-Calvo said he and his team are looking to do just that. If their extraterrestrial trials go well, scientists will have gotten one step closer to making life outside Earth a reality.

In a sane world, assassinations of space machinists would be happening daily by now.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 08, 2022, 12:42:55 pm »

If Hitler had won WWII, the following would not exist at least:

https://futurism.com/neoscope/synthetic-embryo-stem-cell-controversy

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Led by molecular geneticist Joseph Hanna, a team of researchers at Israel's Wizemann Institute of Science managed to create a synthetic mouse "embryo" in a lab without fertilized eggs or a uterus, potentially allowing us to get a glimpse of what happens in the early stages of human pregnancy as well.

This new embryo model, as detailed in the team's paper published this week in the journal Cell, was able to mimic all the makings of an early body, "including precursors of heart, blood, brain and other organs" as well as "the 'support' cells like those found in the placenta and other tissues required to establish and maintain a pregnancy,"
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Bio Renewal wants to create embryo-stage versions of humans so that it can harvest tissues for transplants.
Posted by: guest30
« on: August 04, 2022, 07:00:10 am »

@90sRetroFan

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This is why I am not crazy when I call for WMDs to be used now against any Western countries not on the verge of being reclaimed demographically. By not doing so, not only will far more people be killed eventually (than would be killed by the WMDs now), but the people being killed most will be the people who had least to do with bringing the machines into existence. This is how it always is with the products of Western civilization.

Even Hitler regime was killing the people who made the machines into existence and totally damaged their civilizations. 30.000.000 deaths. That is good nostalgia...
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 04, 2022, 03:06:59 am »

Using human volunteers would be preferable in that it avoids further initiated violence. However, no matter who is used for experimentation, our worry is that eventually Western civilization will offer commodified physical immortality. Thereafter the vampires would be even more motivated to defend Western civilization, as the end of Western civilization would imply the vampires becoming mortal again, which they would surely be terrified of. Therefore the best time to kill Western civilization is before any of this happens.

Posted by: guest30
« on: August 04, 2022, 02:01:09 am »

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...To evaluate how well the new system, called OrganEx, works, the researchers caused heart attacks in pigs that had been anesthetized. The pigs were dead for an hour, and the researchers cooled their bodies and used neural inhibitors to ensure the animals did not regain consciousness during subsequent experiments....

What about if they using human experiments? Using the human who are ideologically progressive? The animals don't want to be progressive, so they not deserve to be exploited. And the people who like empirical progressivism deserve to become subject of experiment. Because it's them who are want it. And be the subject of experiment is the consequence...