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Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: January 02, 2023, 08:09:31 pm »

City and state officials said they turned to Team Henry Enterprises after a long list of bigger contractors — all White-owned — said they wanted no part of taking down Confederate statues.

For a Black man to step in carried enormous risk. Henry concealed the name of his company for a time and long shunned media interviews. He has endured death threats, seen employees walk away and been told by others in the industry that his future is ruined. He started wearing a bulletproof vest on job sites and got a permit to carry a concealed firearm for protection.

The drama interrupted Henry’s careful efforts to build his business. But after removing 24 monuments in Virginia and North Carolina, Henry, 45, has grown more comfortable with his role in enabling a historic reckoning with social injustice across the South. The threats haven’t let up; Henry has simply learned to live with them.

“My head’s in a different place now,” he said. “It’s like, I’m not scared to cross the street, but I’m always going to look both ways, right? So I’m not totally oblivious to who I am and what I’ve done, but I’m just not letting fear kind of drive what I do.”
He had come to understand that those statues — especially Lee — were like religious objects to their defenders. They had stood more than a century as totems of a powerful mythology: that slavery was somehow benign, that Southerners were the noble victims of Northern aggression, that things were better when White people presided over an orderly world. The Lost Cause.

This is why the statues must be toppled.

As the crane lowered the statue to the ground, Henry was awed by the size of the thing. The crowd surged forward; someone said they wanted to urinate on it. Henry hollered for people to stay back.

Then he noticed one African American woman looking at him with an expression of utter disgust. Henry said he felt confused; wasn’t she happy at what he had just done?

“She was like, ‘Why are you showing so much care to the statue? Just drop it. Just let it go. Just kick it over. Nobody cared about George Floyd, but you care about this statue?’”

Someone gets it!

The statue was hoisted off its pedestal in less than an hour after 131 years of towering over Richmond’s grandest street. Henry’s mother — Freda Thornton, who now lives in South Carolina — ran through the security barricade and surprised her weeping son with a big hug.

“I just kind of held him for a minute, just to let him get himself together,” Thornton remembered. “I told him, ‘You did it, and God’s favor protected you and it’s over.’ I said, ‘It’s over, the work is completed now.’”

Actually, the work is completed only when the colonialist bloodlines are eliminated. Removing statues is merely the warmup.

Henry’s mission as the man who finally drove the Confederates out of Richmond was nearly complete. He had a brief, blunt message that morning for the chilly workers as they prepared to do the unusual work that has become so familiar.

“It’s the last one,” he told them. “Let’s do it right and get out of here.”

Yes, but the Confederates are not statues, but bloodlines. Again, removing statues is merely the warmup.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 18, 2022, 06:34:53 pm »

The best way to know we are decolonizing is to read our enemies' complaints:

Our past must be destroyed. There is no honor in remembering the deeds of those who came before us, or in revering their sacrifices, even if they ultimately failed.

Humiliation. Ritualistic humiliation.

Yes. Western civilization must be destroyed. Why would there be honour in colonialism? We were the ones being sacrificed by the colonialists! It is the victims of sacrifice, not the sacrificers, who should be remembered!

The city of Richmond, Virginia, has dug up the remains of Confederate General A.P. Hill as it continues to purge Confederate symbols and monuments from public spaces.

The remains of Hill, which had been buried under a monument to the general, were located on Tuesday after two days of digging. The casket of Hill, who was reportedly buried standing up, was rotted away when workers finally found the remains using an excavator.

According to local reporter Riley Wyant, the remains of Hill were blocked from public view using a tarp before they were transferred into a body bag and wheeled away on a stretcher.

One day we will do this to the Windsors' graves too!

The remains were transferred to the general’s relatives, including John Hill, the general’s closest indirect descendent.

The remains should have gone straight into the sewers.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 07, 2022, 08:43:19 pm »

Woke comments:

Roosevelt said Churchill hindered negotiations with the Chinese, who Churchill referred to as "pigtails", as he "was obsessed with the colour of their skin". Churchill wasn't just a child of the empire, he was everything colonialism represented. His treatment of our Indian allies is a huge example of his attitude to non-white people.

If anyone was interested in factual history, they would open their eyes and realise how racist Churchill was. English history in English schools is taught through fluffy rose-tinted glasses. His involvement in the intentional and deliberate enabling of counntless atrocities carried out by a militia he sent to Ireland in the 1920's, known as the 'black and tans', is very well known, except in Britain itself.

See also:
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 01, 2022, 03:34:22 pm »

A Tuesday court ruling has cleared the way for Richmond, Virginia, to remove its last-standing Confederate statue.

The statue, standing at the intersection of the city’s Hermitage Road and Laburnum Avenue, depicts A.P. Hill, a Confederate general killed during the Third Battle of Petersburg in the American Civil War. The statue was erected on top of the general’s burial site.
Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney celebrated the ruling in a statement shared with CNN.

“We’re gratified by Judge Cheek’s ruling. This is the last stand for the Lost Cause in our city,” said Stoney in the statement.

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 10, 2022, 06:18:32 pm »

It’s Time for the Federal Government to Say Goodbye to Columbus Day
On Monday we celebrate Indigenous Peoples’ Day in the United States. Well, some of us do.

Across the United States, tribal, federal, states, and local governments will be closed. They are closed because Monday is a federal holiday. Of course, the federal holiday does not celebrate Indigenous Peoples’ Day. Instead, the federal holiday celebrates Christopher Columbus, ignoring the actual history of the man.

Growing up, I was not taught Columbus really was a lost sailor who was heading in a whole different direction than the western hemisphere.

I was also not taught Columbus actually never set foot on the land that is now known as the United States.

Nor was I taught of the atrocities that Columbus and his men perpetrated on the innocent Indigenous peoples in the western hemisphere:  the raping of Indigenous women, the thievery of goods, and ultimately of the land.

No, what I was taught was a constructed false narrative that began in elementary school about how “Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492” and that he discovered America.

From early childhood as a young Potawatomi boy, I began to view history from a different lens than my non-Native students. Native Americans reject the notion you can discover land where inhabitants already live.

I questioned this as a child also. I was taught that Columbus discovered the New World and encountered the local inhabitants. I trivially deduced that this implied Columbus was not the first one there, and asked the teacher why Columbus was nevertheless credited with the discovery. The idiot teacher couldn't answer it. (This was the same idiot teacher who couldn't answer my question of how Adam and Eve are said to be the first humans considering that Cain is explicitly stated to have found his wife in another land already inhabited by many more humans.)

So, Columbus Day was a federal holiday that I felt uneasy about as it approached each October. Even as a child, I felt sick for the portrayal of Columbus as a hero, knowing our country’s constructed history was a hoax.

As an adult, I learned our Indigenous ancestors paid a premium price because of Columbus.
To Native Americans, Columbus is not considered a hero to be placed on a pedestal; rather, he is considered a dishonored villain. Indigenous people believe that a man who set in motion the mass genocide of this land’s first people should not be honored or glorified.

For this reason, Native Americans  have worked to change the celebration of Columbus Day to instead be called Indigenous Peoples’ Day.  In recent years, in cities and states around the country, Indigenous Peoples’ Day has gained recognition.

Now, it is time for the federal government to say goodbye to Columbus and fully embrace Indigenous Peoples’ Day.

Last year, in his first year in office, President Joe Biden issued a proclamation to recognize Indigenous Peoples’ Day. He was the first U.S. president to do so.

Last Friday, Biden declared Monday, October 10, 2022 as Indigenous Peoples’ Day.
Keeping Columbus Day as a federal holiday allows the constructed hoax of Columbus discovering America to be perpetuated from one generation of Americans to the next.  That needs to change.

I agree.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 09, 2022, 03:20:47 am »

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 01, 2022, 05:30:50 pm »

This is the correct attitude:

In the lead-up to Christopher Columbus Day on Oct. 10, local Indigenous groups have told City of Tampa officials to remove a Columbus statue from the park dedicated to him on Bayshore Boulevard and W Platt Street. But even if the city refuses to remove it, the group says the statue will come down.

“One way, or another the statue of Columbus must and will be removed,” the Florida Indigenous Alliance and the Florida American Indian Movement wrote in a letter addressed to the city.

There is no reason for Americans to defer to the decision of Western occupiers.

The groups want the statue removed and for the city to replace Columbus Day with Indigenous People’s Day. For Natives, Columbus represents slavery, ****, genocide, torture and other atrocities that he and his companions described in their own words and in their diaries.

 In the letter addressed to the city, the groups point out that Columbus even did horrific things to Native infants.

“Dominican Friar Bartolome De Las Casas recorded that Columbus hung Native people in rows of thirteen to honor Christ and his disciples, and further that Columbus had his men feed Native infants to dogs,” the letter reads.
FIA says that Native Americans first asked for the statue to be removed in 1991, and spoke before council about the inhumanity that Columbus represents. But in the ensuing 31 years, the Indigenous people have only been met with resistance from the city. At a protest against the statue two years ago, Tampa Police Department officers surrounded the statue to protect it after it was covered in fake blood.

And leading up to that protest, TPD officers used taxpayer money to guard the statue morning and night after it had been tagged “BLM” and other messages during the George Floyd uprising.
In 2021, Governor Ron DeSantis passed a law making it a felony for protestors to tear down or damage historical statutes, which would include Columbus statues and confederate monuments.

Do to DeSantis and the TPD what Columbus did his victims!

FIA says that Columbus’ horrific and inhumane treatment of Indigenous Peoples endures today in America as Native women are **** and murdered near camps full of men that are established for fracking operations.

And recently, thousands of Native children have been discovered in mass graves in Canada, and many are being uncovered in the United States. The children were brutalized and killed in concentration camps called “residential boarding schools” from the mid 1800s until the late 1970s.

“The celebration of Columbus’s invasion of Caribe, Arawak, and Taino lands is a celebration of the subjugation of Indigenous Peoples and the theft of Indigenous lands,” FIA wrote. “Continuing [to] celebrate that kind of event impairs reconciliation and understanding.”

FIA said that part of ending celebrating genocide is removing monuments to the subjugation and genocide of Indigenous people. The group pointed out that in other cities, when people’s patience has run out, they’ve taken matters into their own hands and torn down Columbus statues. But the group says it hopes the City of Tampa will hear the voice of Natives and make things right before it has to reach that point.

I hope FIA has been buying plenty of firearms.
Posted by: rp
« on: August 21, 2022, 09:42:50 am »

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 20, 2022, 05:27:56 pm »

There is much work yet to be done:

This week, the Chicago Monuments Project finally released its long-delayed report recommending a series of new public memorials across the city and the removal of several statues that the commission flagged for honoring white supremacy or disrespecting Indigenous peoples.
Lightfoot’s task force recommended taking down several other monuments that negatively depict Indigenous people. One monument that should be removed, the commission said, is a statue honoring the Supreme Court chief justice who presided over Plessy v. Ferguson, which enshrined segregation.

The commission recommended removing the “Jacques Marquette-Louis Jolliet Memorial” because it “reinforces stereotypes about American Indians and glorifies a complicated and painful history of Western expansion. It features a cowering American Indian, following submissively in the footsteps of Marquette.”

A plaque honoring early Chicago settler John Kinzie should also be removed, the report said, because it “openly prioritizes whiteness and denies the existence of Native peoples, and earlier settler Jean Baptiste Point du Sable.” For similar reasons, the commission said the “Jean Baptiste Beaubien Plaque” should go.

Bridge reliefs on the DuSable bridge, including “The Defense,” “The Pioneers,” “Discoverers” and “Regeneration” should also be taken down because they show American Indians “as merely a foil to help define the heroic acts and qualities of colonizing forces,” though that would be challenging as they’re built into the physical structure.

Just use a jackhammer to chip them off from the sides! As I always say, there is nothing more poetically just than using Western tools to destroy Western civilization:

The report also recommends taking down tablets dedicated to explorers De La Salle, Jolliet and Marquette. One of the plaques, it says, highlights “the first white men to pass through the Chicago River” and “explicitly voice(s) the ideology of white supremacy.”
One professor, John Low, rebutted the notion that monuments simply document history.

“Monuments are not innocent. We have to understand the role of monuments and other commemorative sites and activities in developing a shared narrative of the past, present and future. These commemorations can ossify memory and create and perpetuate master narratives in which one view of past events is granted legitimacy at the expense of other views,” Low wrote. “They can contribute to a collective memory that all too quickly becomes accepted as truth. The Chicago Monuments Project presents the opportunity to reconsider our monuments and memorials and assess whether they fairly represent the histories and peoples of Chicago.”
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: July 06, 2022, 07:49:57 pm »

Spread this idea!

Mount Rushmore was way more beautiful before white men destroyed it.

Woke responses:

we can't have anything nice because of the colonists.

We ruined a mountain so folks could stop for five minutes and take a vacation photo.

Rushmore is an embarrassment. The Black Hills were beautiful, we ruined it in the most self serving and obscene way possible.

Same can be said for the whole of North America.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: June 24, 2022, 08:09:36 pm »

Remember, holidays count as statues:

New Zealand celebrates Māori New Year as an official public holiday for the first time

 (CNN)For the first time, New Zealanders are enjoying an official public holiday this June 24 to celebrate Matariki -- also known as Māori New Year.

Matariki is the Māori name for a cluster of stars, also known as the Pleiades, the rising of which is recognized by many of the country's Indigenous people as the start of the new year.

In a statement, the New Zealand government noted that this is "the first public holiday to recognize Te Ao Māori" or the Māori worldview. The official holiday was established in April, with the passing of the Te Kāhui o Matariki Public Holiday Act.
Māori, who make up about 15% of New Zealand's population, were dispossessed of much of their land during Britain's colonization of the country. Thousands of Māori have protested for civil and social rights in recent years, and have criticized governments for failing to address social and economic inequalities.

Earlier this year, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern introduced a new curriculum with mandatory teaching of Māori history and British colonialism.

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: May 28, 2022, 08:06:12 pm »

PORTLAND, Ore. — In June 2020, protesters at the University of Oregon in Eugene toppled a statue called The Pioneer, which depicted a White man with a gun slung over his shoulder and a whip in his hand, and a second sculpture titled The Pioneer Mother.

Both monuments had drawn criticism from Indigenous student groups and historians for commemorating settler violence in the West.

Even as Southern states face a reckoning over Confederate monuments, communities in the Western United States are beginning to reconsider monuments that, in many locations, celebrate what dominant American culture has portrayed as the conquering of the region by Europeans.

Among them are hundreds of pioneer monuments, many of which celebrate White dominance over Indigenous people as the nation expanded west. Some were toppled or damaged during the racial justice protests following the murder of George Floyd.

In Portland, protesters pulled down or damaged five statues in the summer and fall of 2020, including The Promised Land, a celebration of White westward expansion erected on the 150th anniversary of the Oregon Trail. Portland protesters also toppled monuments to Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln, citing their policies and actions against Native Americans. And in Albuquerque, New Mexico, city officials removed a statue of the Spanish conquistador Juan de Oñate after a shooting during a protest at the site.
Pioneer Monuments

Pioneer monuments may appear to some observers as wholesome representations of the hard-working forebears of many White Westerners, said Cynthia Prescott, a professor of history at the University of North Dakota and the author of "Pioneer Mother Monuments." When she first began documenting the effects of 200 or so pioneer mother monuments across the West, she thought of the genre as "grandma in a sun bonnet."

But the monuments’ intent was far from benign.

She cites research from 2019 by University of Oregon scholar Marc Carpenter, who as a doctoral candidate looked at the speeches by donors and the intent of the sculptor when the Pioneer sculpture was installed at his university. (The same artist, Alexander Phimister Proctor, crafted the Roosevelt monument in Portland and a statue of Robert E. Lee in Dallas that was removed from public view in 2017 and now resides at a Texas golf resort.)

At the University of Oregon, it was obvious even to those who attended the installation of the statue that they were honoring not just White settlement, Carpenter suggests, but also remembering White dominance of Indigenous people. In a paper urging the University of Oregon to remove the Pioneer statue, Carpenter wrote that unlike the Confederate statues of the South, “in the West, our problematic monuments are to America’s other great sin, the violent seizure of Native lands and murder of Native peoples.”

"You don't have to dig very far to find out that there's a racial subtext intended here," Prescott said of pioneer memorials. "That was what donors and the people involved in their dedication are thinking about.”
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: April 29, 2022, 12:48:35 pm »

"It's not about Columbus, it's just about the entire eternal archetype that he represents"

Yeah that really makes us feel better about that  ;D
Posted by: rp
« on: April 28, 2022, 08:38:07 pm »

"It's not about Columbus, it's about Columbus"
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: April 28, 2022, 08:27:15 pm »

While there have been many statues toppled since we started this topic, the following story reminds us that toppling statues is by itself not enough. So long as our enemies' bloodlines are not eliminated, they can keep putting the statues back up.

BALTIMORE — After a group of protesters threw Little Italy’s longtime Columbus statue into the Harbor two years ago, the statue has been recreated by a local sculptor.
sculptor Will Hemsley also dedicated himself to rebuilding the solemn, marble Christopher Columbus statue, costing him about $80,000. The new sculpture is almost identical to the original one.

The only genuinely meaningful solution is to eliminate all enemy bloodlines. Why not begin with the Hemsley bloodline?

Pica said Tuesday that the recreation of the sculpture is not necessarily about Columbus, but about what he represents as an incredible explorer who opened up the path between western Europe and the Americas.

In other words, it is about Columbus. **** your gaslighting, Western colonialist.