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Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 28, 2024, 10:39:08 pm »

"some "simps" who simply want to "pick up" a girl"

Doesn't that contradict the very definition of "simping", which is doing it for nothing in return?

"this "cold approach" behavior"

Exactly. "Cold approach" =/= "simping". There already exists a term for the former, so why use the latter term to refer to the same phenomenon when it is supposed to describe a different phenomenon?
Posted by: rp
« on: February 28, 2024, 09:44:06 pm »

Returning to the topic of "simping", the problem is not devotion as such, but rather the vacancy-filling mindset of some "simps" who simply want to "pick up" a girl. Thankfully, this "cold approach" behavior is socially taboo in countries such as India, but feminists will make excuses if the "simp" is "White". and in some cases, will even lump genuine romantic devotion in with the simpers and outright excuse the behavior of the PUAs as it increases their SMV. "Traditionalists" (and I use that term lightly) are also no help in this matter as they will not only lump in romantics with PUAs, but will also exhibit the same vacancy filling approach in arranged marriage.

Islam seems good in that it establishes social etiquette in mixed gender settings so as to avoid sexual tension, but modern day attempts to implement Islam in India will almost invariably lead to authoritarianism and sexual repression reminiscent of the Victorian era, along with the promulgation of negative non-Aryan attitudes, so this is not a solution for the country.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: January 31, 2024, 12:28:07 am »

Posted by: rp
« on: January 30, 2024, 11:11:50 pm »

https://twitter.com/VishweshvarDev/status/1751921592458760196?t=HQtiWS-MpFru-BuOv3XYXg&s=19 (Video and gif at link)
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Indian high-class societies imitate lower-class attitudes of the west and show it off as western culture to low/mid class Indians.

This GIF gives an example of how aristocratic and high class parties really are, this is the peak western culture that can’t be copied by lemurs.

I agree that the partygoers in the quoted tweet are not imitating actual Western culture as shown in the GIF. However this does not mean that the partygoers are not themselves attempting to imitate Western culture. As the original tweeter suggests, they probably are attempting to imitate the lower class attitudes of the West, being unable to imitate the higher class attitudes. That being said, as cringeworthy as their mannerisms are, I would rather they imitate the low class West than the high class champagne sipping West, as many did during the colonial era.

Moreover, partying/dancing (even with alcohol) does not have to necessarily mean one should imitate the West. We can have non-Western alcohol, non-Western dance, non-Western music, etc.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 12, 2023, 04:45:28 pm »

Posted by: rp
« on: December 12, 2023, 12:14:57 pm »

The funny thing is some Westernized Muslims were replying to the original tweet saying this proves that Hinduism is a "degenerate" religion because it promotes "LGBT". Unfortunately, some Hindus are also joining in on the homophobia whereas before they were rightly condemning it as an "Abrahamic" (read: Judaic) attitude.

This is the unfortunate consequence of using "LGBT rights" in non-Western countries as a mechanism to dismantle homophobia.

I disagree with both "LGBT rights" and the homophobic overreaction.
Posted by: rp
« on: December 10, 2023, 05:28:25 pm »

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 01, 2023, 08:54:53 pm »

"how would the matchmaking take place if the bride was not interested in the first place?"

They could get a tax cut for every matchmaking event they attend (even if they leave without meeting anyone)? So the ideal scenario would be both future partners go to the event purely to get the tax cut, but then meet each other and fall for each other so deeply that they would rather marry despite doing so disqualifying them from all further matchmaking events (and the associated tax cuts) for the rest of their lives!
Posted by: rp
« on: October 01, 2023, 08:17:32 pm »

I see what you are saying, but wouldn't the bride wish to marry first before the matchmakers pick out suitors for her? What I'm getting at is, how would the matchmaking take place if the bride was not interested in the first place?
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 01, 2023, 07:34:20 pm »

The problem is that this:

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The bride wishing to marry

is in conflict with this:

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it moreover allows the subject to meet this person while avoiding the thought process of "wanting to find someone" (practically a prerequisite in free-market dating), such avoidance being necessary for romantic love. As I have explained previously, the moment you intentionally set out to find someone, romantic love is already impossible, because whoever eventually fills the vacancy has already been reduced to a vacancy-filler and thus a mere commodity to satisfy your pre-existent desire.
Posted by: rp
« on: October 01, 2023, 06:22:16 pm »

It depends, I think. Hypothetically, if the bride were open to remaining single if none of the suitors were suitable, then it wouldn't.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 01, 2023, 05:10:46 pm »

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Svayamvara (Sanskrit: स्वयंवर, romanized: svayaṃvara) is a type of marriage mentioned in Hindu history where a woman chose a man as her husband from a group of suitors. Svayaṁ in Sanskrit means 'self' and vara means 'groom'. The bride wishing to marry would select an auspicious time and venue and then broadcast her intentions. Kings typically sent messengers to outside lands, while commoners simply spread the news within the local community. On the appointed day, suitors would gather at the venue and declare their qualifications. The bride would place a garland on the man of her choice and a marriage ceremony was held immediately.

Is this not also vacancy-filling?
Posted by: rp
« on: October 01, 2023, 10:59:42 am »

Responding to:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/ancient-candidates-for-socialism/msg12567/#msg12567

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aren't arranged marriages unromantic, since the person in question isn't being given the freedom to potentially find and marry the person that they instinctively know they love enough to pledge life-long loyalty to?

I am against arranged marriages where the subject does not have a choice to turn down the suggestion. (This would be initiated violence, which we are always against.)

The form of arranged marriage which I am claiming is superior to free-market dating is where the subject can turn down as many suggestions as they want. This allows the subject to, in your words, marry the person that they instinctively know they love enough to pledge lifelong loyalty to. But it moreover allows the subject to meet this person while avoiding the thought process of "wanting to find someone" (practically a prerequisite in free-market dating), such avoidance being necessary for romantic love. As I have explained previously, the moment you intentionally set out to find someone, romantic love is already impossible, because whoever eventually fills the vacancy has already been reduced to a vacancy-filler and thus a mere commodity to satisfy your pre-existent desire.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svayamvara
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: September 09, 2023, 08:29:56 pm »

"since Confucius also promoted virtue theory, he likely would have said something along those lines."

You are correct:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_Mean

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The Doctrine of the Mean or Zhongyong is one of the Four Books of classical Chinese philosophy and a central doctrine of Confucianism.
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The Doctrine of the Mean represents moderation, rectitude, objectivity, sincerity, honesty and propriety.[7] The guiding principle is that one should never act in excess.

"But since we have established that Confucianism did not gain much traction in Southern China"

I do not even recommend using a North vs South approach here. A sufficient argument for disqualifying Confucianism from being considered Chinese is that the monarch whom China is literally named after made explicit anti-Confucianism his founding ideology:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_books_and_burying_of_scholars

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The burning of books and burying of scholars (Chinese: 焚書坑儒; pinyin: fénshū kēngrú), also known as burning the books and executing the ru scholars,[1] refers to the purported burning of texts in 213 BCE and live burial of 460 Confucian scholars in 212 BCE by the Chinese emperor Qin Shi Huang of the Qin dynasty.
Posted by: rp
« on: September 09, 2023, 08:14:30 pm »

Also:
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their own ancient Chinese wisdom says that nothing in extremes is any good and that everything must be in moderation.

I have not heard this credited to Chinese, but I have heard something similar from Aristotle's virtue theory. However, since Confucius also promoted virtue theory, he likely would have said something along those lines. In that case, the attitude could be called Confucianist. But since we have established that Confucianism did not gain much traction in Southern China, there is no contradiction between ancient Chinese wisdom and present-day Taiwanese behavior.