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Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 06, 2023, 08:40:35 pm »

Long ago, Zea_mays and I had already identified heritable myopia as a likely positive correlate with Aryan traits, since myopia would be completely debilitating for hunters and a major inconvenience for herders but only a minor inconvenience for farmers, hence likely to be more strongly selected against by the former lifestyles but only weakly (if at all) selected against by the latter.

Now I just came across:



Note the negative correlation between myopia and weight (4th graph) as well as with what looks like BMI (5th graph), which supports our theory given the advantages of low weight/BMI in farming already covered here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-bones/msg656/#msg656

Distribution:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3055754/

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In children from similar sociodemographic backgrounds attending the same schools, South Asian children were nine times more likely to be myopic and black African Caribbeans three times more likely, compared with white Europeans.
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Data were available for 1179 children. The prevalence of myopia was 25.2%, 10.0%, and 3.4%, respectively, in the South Asian, black African Caribbean, and white European children. Adjusted odds ratios (ORs) of myopia compared with the white European children were 8.9 (95% confidence interval [CI] 4.0 to 19.4) in the South Asian and 3.2 (95% CI, 1.4 to 7.2) in black African Caribbean children. Ethnic differences in the prevalence of myopia were largely accounted for by ethnic differences in axial length. The South Asian and black African Caribbean children had longer axial lengths (0.44 mm; 95% CI, 0.30 to 0.57 mm and 0.30 mm; 95% CI, 0.16 to 0.44 mm, respectively).
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 19, 2023, 08:33:49 pm »

Our enemies re-derive Aryan evolution (which they consider to be a misfortune):

https://incels.is/threads/brutal-frame-and-wristpill-framelets-dont-enter.528393/

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If that wasn't enough, the universe decided it wasn't done with **** with my fitness goals. When I went to the doctor for this, I mentioned my bulk and he told me that it's possible that my body cannot sustain this weight because of my thin frame
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I called my parents later too (mom's a nurse) and they confirm basically both parts of what my doctor said. Firstly that both sides of my family's genetics have thin wrists

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I have no idea how Asian men were able to hunt food with such low testosterone at this point.

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We devolved.

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Early "asian" hunter gatherers were probably a lot higher T individuals. More like what kazakhs are nowadays. Then at some point the east asians started morphing back into baby form because of environmental pressure.

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Can you elaborate on the environmental pressure? I'm very qurious.

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Rice agriculture was a mistake.
Posted by: rp
« on: August 27, 2023, 08:32:36 am »

https://peoplelivingtall.com/why-do-tall-people-have-more-back-problems
It is my theory that tall people suffer from back problems as a result of disproportionately longer verterbrae (i.e. torso). This is because the lower body/legs need to support more upper body mass. This is consistent with our view that ectomorphs are superior, even if (perhaps because) they are shorter.
Posted by: rp
« on: August 07, 2023, 11:11:27 pm »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46806084
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About 4,500 years ago, a man and a woman were buried in a grave together in a sprawling cemetery on the outskirts of a thriving settlement of one of the world's earliest urban civilisations.

In 2016, archaeologists and scientists from India and South Korea found these two "very rare" skeletons in a Harappan (or Indus Valley) city - what is now Rakhigarhi village in the northern Indian state of Haryana. For two years, they researched the "chronology" and possible reasons behind the deaths; and the findings have now been published in a peer-reviewed international journal.

"The man and the woman were facing each other in a very intimate way. We believe they were a couple. And they seemed to have died at the same time. How they died, however, remains a mystery," archaeologist Vasant Shinde, who led the team, told me.

How ancient DNA may rewrite prehistory in India
They were buried in a half-a-metre-deep sand pit. The man was around 35 years old at the time of his death, while the woman was around 25. Both were reasonably tall - he was 5.8ft (1.77m) and she, 5.6ft. They were both possibly "quite healthy" when they died - tests didn't find any lesions or lines on the bones or any "abnormal thickness" of skull bones, which could hint at injuries or diseases such as brain fever.
Posted by: rp
« on: August 06, 2023, 09:10:07 pm »

" This also lines up with an observation that leading Hollywood actors (who are facially more neotenous and politically more left-leaning than the national average) tend to be shorter than the national average "
https://medium.com/@shanesnow/heightism-and-success-why-are-actors-short-and-presidents-tall-a735a5dfac50#:~:text=Film%20producer%20Brian%20Hennessey%20sums,and%20large%20easier%20to%20shoot.
Posted by: rp
« on: August 06, 2023, 08:53:27 pm »

" I prefer the simpler blood memory theory that accounts for non-Giant Gentile worship of Giants directly by recognizing that Giants are likely to be able to hunt better (draw a heavier bow) than they themselves could."
The two theories need not necessarily be mutually exclusive. We have established that Gentiles (Giants or otherwise) were only interested in farming for its economic benefits. We could similarly deduce that they viewed Aryans with deference because of this reason. Additionally, non-Giant Gentiles, who are shorter than Aryans on average, would have viewed them with even more deference than Giants would have, as their blood memory associates height with size/dominance/strength and therefore being a better hunter (without distinguishing between mesomorphy and ectomorphy). So when Giants came along, who were taller/stronger than Aryans, the Gentiles immediately switched to worshipping them, as they viewed them as "upgraded" versions of what they thought Aryans were (i.e. better hunters).
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 06, 2023, 08:18:31 pm »

"Do you consider Aryans innately short or tall?"

I believe Aryans at the time of initial contact during the Neolithic era were shorter than Giants (which is why we called them Giants, duh!) but could have been taller than some other Gentile populations, for example:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/yayoi-earwax-trail/msg18125/#msg18125

so there is no general pattern. Zea_mays and I once theorized that one possible reason why non-Giant Gentiles worship Giants is because non-Giant Gentiles have blood memory of their ancestral rulers (Aryans) being taller than they were, so when they encountered "white" colonialists who were even taller than that, they subconsciously thought: "These guys must be the ultra-rulers before whom we must display even more deference!"

We even theorized that one reason why monarchism was weaker among Giant-descended populations than among everyone else is because it was Aryans who introduced monarchism everywhere:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/aryan-monarchism/

but the Giants found it hard to view Aryans shorter than themselves as monarchs, whereas non-Giant Gentiles had an easier time viewing Aryans taller than themselves as monarchs. This also lines up with an observation that leading Hollywood actors (who are facially more neotenous and politically more left-leaning than the national average) tend to be shorter than the national average whereas leading actors in non-Western film/TV industries (who are facially more neotenous and politically more left-leaning than the national average) tend to be taller than the national average. And by no coincidence:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/social-decolonization/msg21041/#msg21041

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celebrity-worship in Western countries generally lacks intensity

So it does not seem a stretch to imagine that monarch-worship among Giants similarly lacked intensity compared to monarch-worship among non-Giant Gentiles.

I liked the second half of this theory more than the first. I prefer the simpler blood memory theory that accounts for non-Giant Gentile worship of Giants directly by recognizing that Giants are likely to be able to hunt better (draw a heavier bow) than they themselves could.

On the other hand, Aryans have no reason to have a pro-tall bias. I have yet to be able to imagine a single way in which being taller leads to being better at farming.

"taller people consume more resources than shorter people"

Is this true if the two are the same weight?
Posted by: rp
« on: August 06, 2023, 07:46:54 pm »

"height is something that differentiates us from our younger selves"
Not necessarily. A person who was tall as a child and who is also tall as an adult would not be much different if they did not gain much of their height during puberty.

"isn’t necessarily something that we should directly pursue."
I don't know about this tbh. Although I certainly agree a tall ectomorph is better looking (Vijay himself has a nice frame), your comment about tall people consuming more resources does make more sense. 90sRetroFan can perhaps help clarify this.
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: August 06, 2023, 07:32:40 pm »

That makes sense. But taller people consume more resources than shorter people, and height is something that differentiates us from our younger selves. So that would be a couple of points in favor for not selecting for height, or even for selecting for shortness. The reason why I asked 90sRetroFan, is that maybe height in an ectomorph acts only as a more obvious signal for Aryan genes, and isn’t necessarily something that we should directly pursue. Maybe it’s not a hard and fast rule, and it’s possible for a shorter Aryan to have genes as high quality as a taller Aryan, but it’s just easier to discern the quality level in a taller person
Posted by: rp
« on: August 06, 2023, 07:19:36 pm »

The Aryan ideal body type is ectomorphy. An ectomorphic person who is tall is superior to a shorter ectomorphic person (this is because ectomorphy results in longer limbs compared to the torso), not accounting for other features. A non-ectomorphic person who is tall would not be considered superior to a shorter ectomorph.
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: August 06, 2023, 07:14:24 pm »

@rp Can you elaborate more on this? I’m not sure I fully understand what you mean
Posted by: rp
« on: August 06, 2023, 07:06:26 pm »

Height is a positive force multiplier for ectomorphs. For non-ectomorphs it is irrelevant.
Posted by: SirGalahad
« on: August 06, 2023, 07:04:59 pm »

@90sRetroFan What’s your opinion on height? I think I remember you saying that taller people are less likely to be neotenous, so the taller someone with an Aryan phenotype is, the more impressive it is to have their level of neoteny, and the stronger those genes would hypothetically be. Do you consider Aryans innately short or tall? And if you consider them innately short, would we still select for height in our population, for the above reason?
Posted by: rp
« on: February 26, 2023, 04:40:18 pm »

ok. I will remove it then since it seems redundant to repost it.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 26, 2023, 04:35:39 pm »