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Posted by: SimplestExplanation
« on: November 10, 2023, 08:01:11 pm »

"Capitalism is generally considered to date back to the Renaissance:"

Some people often say ancient Rome and Greece were "fully functioning capitalist societies", I realize after you brought it up why it is better to attach capitalism to the Renaissance though.

Capitalism in Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece: Risk and Unethical Business
https://digitalworks.union.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1697&context=theses

Hilarious to note that the author of the above is named Sam Goldman. Perhaps this is another example of backlash herding?


Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: November 10, 2023, 07:53:48 pm »

"capitalism predates western civilization"

Capitalism is generally considered to date back to the Renaissance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#History

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Capitalism, in its modern form, can be traced to the emergence of agrarian capitalism and mercantilism in the early Renaissance, in city-states like Florence.[32]
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The economic foundations of the feudal agricultural system began to shift substantially in 16th-century England as the manorial system had broken down and land began to become concentrated in the hands of fewer landlords with increasingly large estates. Instead of a serf-based system of labor, workers were increasingly employed as part of a broader and expanding money-based economy. The system put pressure on both landlords and tenants to increase the productivity of agriculture to make profit; the weakened coercive power of the aristocracy to extract peasant surpluses encouraged them to try better methods, and the tenants also had incentive to improve their methods in order to flourish in a competitive labor market. Terms of rent for land were becoming subject to economic market forces rather than to the previous stagnant system of custom and feudal obligation.[35][36]
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The economic doctrine prevailing from the 16th to the 18th centuries is commonly called mercantilism.[37][38] This period, the Age of Discovery, was associated with the geographic exploration of foreign lands by merchant traders, especially from England and the Low Countries. Mercantilism was a system of trade for profit, although commodities were still largely produced by non-capitalist methods.[39] Most scholars consider the era of merchant capitalism and mercantilism as the origin of modern capitalism,[38][40] although Karl Polanyi argued that the hallmark of capitalism is the establishment of generalized markets for what he called the "fictitious commodities", i.e. land, labor and money. Accordingly, he argued that "not until 1834 was a competitive labor market established in England, hence industrial capitalism as a social system cannot be said to have existed before that date".[41]

England began a large-scale and integrative approach to mercantilism during the Elizabethan Era (1558–1603).

I do agree, though, that what caused this is not capitalism, but (the even more uniquely Western) organic chemistry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbicide#History

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The first modern herbicide, 2,4-D, was first discovered and synthesized by W. G. Templeman at Imperial Chemical Industries.
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Independently, a team under Juda Hirsch Quastel, working at the Rothamsted Experimental Station made the same discovery.



See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/academic-decolonization/msg16015/#msg16015

But because Western science is literally worshipped by progressives/False Leftists, they prefer to attack capitalism instead.

By the way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juda_Hirsch_Quastel

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Categories: ... British Jews Jewish scientists
Posted by: SimplestExplanation
« on: November 10, 2023, 07:39:00 pm »

Why Liberals Can't Counter Conspiracy Theories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVy_a9u8CeQ

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The reality unfortunately is alot less awesome though. The truth is that a chemical company was just left unchecked, thus was able to very freely spread a questionable herbicide far and wide, predictably resulting in ecological side effects. The frog hormone imbalance thing actually does not seem like that big of a deal at all when compared to alot of the other actually nasty stuff this herbicide is alleged to do. To put this all in simple terms, this is caused by, well, capitalism... — BadEmpanada

To put it in simple terms from a True Left perspective, this is not caused by "capitalism", it is caused by Western Civilization, because capitalism predates western civilization and the poisoning of this planet and life on a mass scale does not predate western civilization. Therefore, western civilization is the root cause of this problem, not the economic system it happens to employ. (This is not an endorsement of capitalism).

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/china-the-ocean-is-not-japan's-trash-can/  (Seriousness about environmentalism).

Posted by: .
« on: September 26, 2023, 08:31:29 pm »

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/26/robert-kennedy-jr-september-11-podcast-peter-bergen

Robert F Kennedy Jr expresses skepticism at official 9/11 account

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The Democratic presidential hopeful appeared to cast doubt on a key finding of the investigation into the September 11 attacks

In a podcast interview, the US presidential hopeful Robert F Kennedy Jr raised a conspiracy theory about 9/11 and also refused to say that al-Qaida was responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington DC.

“I don’t always accept official explanations,” he said.

Kennedy, 69 and an attorney, is the son of the former US attorney general and New York senator Robert F Kennedy and nephew of President John F Kennedy.

Challenging Joe Biden for the Democratic nomination next year, Kennedy lags in polling but has nonetheless achieved an unusual level of coverage for an outsider running against an incumbent, in part due to his family history and prominence as an anti-vaccine campaigner.

Kennedy’s podcast interview was with Peter Bergen, host of In the Room and author of books including The Rise and Fall of Osama bin Laden and Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for Bin Laden from 9/11 to Abbottabad.

Bergen first asked if Kennedy “bought” the official explanation of 9/11, as established by the bipartisan 9/11 commission

Kennedy said: “I don’t know what happened on 9/11. I mean, I understand what the official explanation [for 9/11] is, I understand that there is dissent. I have not looked into it. I haven’t examined it. I’m not a good person to talk to about it.”

Bergen said: “So there’s doubt in your mind that al-Qaida was responsible?”

Kennedy raised a well-known 9/11 conspiracy theory, that 7 World Trade Center, a building close to the twin towers, did not fall because of the attack nearby.

He said: “Well, I know … there’s strange things that happened, that don’t seem … One of the buildings [in New York] came down that wasn’t hit by a plane, so, you know, was it building seven or building 10?”

 "I do think that it ought to be permissible in this country to question official narratives.”

Bergen said. “And if your position is that the 9/11 commission’s explanation of September 11 … is somehow up for question, this kind of extreme skepticism is going to make being president, well, kinda tough.”

Posted by: guest78
« on: September 18, 2022, 02:24:39 pm »

Another sky-scrapper completely engulfed in flames and it did not collapse, like so many sky-scrappers before it:

Telecom skyscraper in Changsha, China, goes up in flames
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One of the tallest skyscrapers in Changsha, China, went up in flames for hours until dozens of fire trucks were able to bring the fire under control.

The 42-story building is known as Lotus Garden China Telecom. The city’s fire department received the call at 3:48 pm local time and the thick plumes of gray smoke could be seen from a great distance. Thirty-six fire engines and more than 250 firefighters fought the blaze.

CCTV reported, “Thick smoke was billowing from the site and dozens of apartments were burning fiercely.”...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uaz6vtAKxVo

This is WTC7, which supposedly imploded and fell into it's own footprint (the path of most resistance) because of several small fires on some floors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_iBYSqEsc

Posted by: guest55
« on: September 16, 2021, 08:48:58 pm »

Trump Lies About 9/11 Again
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Lawrence O’Donnell explains Donald Trump’s history of lying about 9/11 and why Donald Trump is afraid to repeat his worst lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lppotL_0ijs

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He knows when he's a fish out of water. Basically any event involving empathy. He can't fake that.
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Just a friendly reminder that the International Association of Fire Fighters publicly endorsed Biden for President. Facts matter.

What an absolute barbarian and piece of shyte!
Posted by: guest55
« on: September 10, 2021, 09:09:26 pm »

White House Explains Why Biden Isn't Giving 9/11 Address Tomorrow For 20th Anniversary
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Jen Psaki responds to a question about President Biden's agenda tomorrow during a White House Press Briefing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGPwMJRCr_o
Posted by: guest55
« on: September 10, 2021, 05:24:48 pm »

Americans Are Still Sick and Dying From 9/11
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More people have likely died of 9/11-related diseases than were killed on the day of the attacks. VICE News speaks with one 9/11 first responder who’s fighting two different cancers about what the 20th anniversary means to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzPhItHNeno
Posted by: guest55
« on: September 08, 2021, 09:04:01 pm »

Families of 9/11 victims still angry 20 years later
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Plus, a pediatric psychiatrist gives tips on how to talk to children about Sept. 11 and the threat of potential terror attacks.

#september11 #families #anniversary #pediatricpsychiatrist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnvoN-SSzyQ

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20 years and yet we as US citizens got ROBBED and LIED.
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The U.S. has been swallowed up by the monsters it raised,after 20 years of war.
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Government should still be ASHAMED  -
Posted by: rp
« on: March 20, 2021, 04:27:40 pm »

Conspiracy theorism is nothing more than foppery these days tbh
Posted by: guest5
« on: March 20, 2021, 04:16:53 pm »

Bad Thinkers
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Why do some people believe conspiracy theories? It’s not just who or what they know. It’s a matter of intellectual character.
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Meet Oliver. Like many of his friends, Oliver thinks he is an expert on 9/11. He spends much of his spare time looking at conspiracist websites and his research has convinced him that the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, DC, of 11 September 2001 were an inside job. The aircraft impacts and resulting fires couldn’t have caused the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center to collapse. The only viable explanation, he maintains, is that government agents planted explosives in advance. He realises, of course, that the government blames Al-Qaeda for 9/11 but his predictable response is pure Mandy Rice-Davies: they would say that, wouldn’t they?

Polling evidence suggests that Oliver’s views about 9/11 are by no means unusual. Indeed, peculiar theories about all manner of things are now widespread. There are conspiracy theories about the spread of AIDS, the 1969 Moon landings, UFOs, and the assassination of JFK. Sometimes, conspiracy theories turn out to be right – Watergate really was a conspiracy – but mostly they are bunkum. They are in fact vivid illustrations of a striking truth about human beings: however intelligent and knowledgeable we might be in other ways, many of us still believe the strangest things. You can find people who believe they were abducted by aliens, that the Holocaust never happened, and that cancer can be cured by positive thinking. A 2009 Harris Poll found that between one‑fifth and one‑quarter of Americans believe in reincarnation, astrology and the existence of witches. You name it, and there is probably someone out there who believes it.

You realise, of course, that Oliver’s theory about 9/11 has little going for it, and this might make you wonder why he believes it. The question ‘Why does Oliver believe that 9/11 was an inside job?’ is just a version of a more general question posed by the US skeptic Michael Shermer: why do people believe weird things? The weirder the belief, the stranger it seems that someone can have it. Asking why people believe weird things isn’t like asking why they believe it’s raining as they look out of the window and see the rain pouring down. It’s obvious why people believe it’s raining when they have compelling evidence, but it’s far from obvious why Oliver believes that 9/11 was an inside job when he has access to compelling evidence that it wasn’t an inside job.
More here: https://getpocket.com/explore/item/bad-thinkers?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The author Cassam employs an old psychological trick on his readers, take the truth and then mix it with the ridiculous. Take the truth and then spin it off into space. This is why he mixes all conspiracy theories with the obvious conspiracy that occurred on 9/11, and the events of the JFK assassination. To the benefit of Jews like the one Cassam listed in his article, Michael Shermer. Perhaps this is also why JSTOR links to Cassam's articles often?

Be careful with these types. They are no different from the Q anon types who mix "flat-earth theory" with 9/11 research, or UFO's with 9/11 research. These people are attempting to take actual conspiracies that occurred and spin them off into space so that sane people throw the baby out with the bath water so-to-speak, and just give up investigating any conspiracy theory altogether. In that sense, it could be argued that people like the author of the above article, Cassam, are actually psychological terrorists.

This article is an exercise in exactly what it is titled as, "Bad Thinkers", which the author should count himself a member of.

Cassam also sounds like he's repeating exactly what was stated in the Netflix documentary about "Flat-Earth Theory" titled, "Behind The Curve".
Behind the Curve - Official Teaser Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnsm81gjo1E

Cassam also sounds like he is employing the same tactic David De Rothschild attempted when he was confronted in San Francisco: (Notice how David Rothschild brings up "reptilians" when he is being questioned near the end of the video? These are diversion tactics to try and make the interviewers look ridiculous).
WeAreChange San Francisco has a little chat with David Rothschild
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlPZZGZCt6s

BAD THINKERS! DISHONEST PEOPLE AT BEST!

Posted by: guest5
« on: October 15, 2020, 11:41:33 pm »

Savannah Guthrie Slams Trump Over Conspiracy Theories
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'You're the president. You're not, like, someone's crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever' — Savannah Guthrie lays into Trump for spreading QAnon conspiracy theories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znypy6knxiQ
Posted by: guest5
« on: October 10, 2020, 02:56:57 pm »

Starts at around 30:00. The argument these False Leftist make is basically summed up as the following: Conspiracy theorists believe in conspiracy theories in-order to make themselves feel better about reality and that Trump's conspiracy theories, and largely right-wing conspiracy theories in general, are all false and ridiculous, therefore ALL conspiracy theories are false. This is a logical fallacy and should be obvious to these two false left clowns. (Please note I could not listen to the entire interview because this level of stupid makes me want to bang my head on the wall).

https://kpfa.org/player/?audio=342908

Furthermore, do these two false left clowns also not realize that their own governments have always been the biggest conspiracy theorists and this is why their governments have so many laws on the books in regards to conspiracy? "Conspiracy to commit murder", "Conspiracy to commit mail fraud", "Conspiracy to commit treason", "Conspiracy to commit a misdemeanor", etc. The list is very long. Clearly governments understand that humans-beings come together and conspire, why don't these two false left idiots understand this?

These false-leftists are so afraid of being cast in the same light as "conspiracy theorists" they've lost the ability to reason and think clearly. 

How much proof and evidence is actually needed before these two clowns realize we have an air-tight case and that if we presented before a just judge we would win hands down?

9 11 Missing Links Truth of 9/11/ 2001
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"Now you will discover the definitive truth about 9/11 and learn why even the most popular movies on the subject have failed to address the evidence exhaustively presented in this video. The facts will make it abundantly clear that the so-called 9/11 "Truth" movement has been infiltrated and is ultimately controlled by the same criminal group who masterminded the attacks. As they say, 'if you want to control the dissent you lead the dissent.' Utilizing evidence from the FBI, CIA, NSA, US Armed Forces Intelligence sectors, Foreign Intelligence organizations, local law enforcement agencies and independent investigators, Missing Links goes where no other 9/11 video has dared to."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HqqZgo1kqY&t=1151s

Getting really sick and tired of scary cowardly ignorant dumb people....