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Posted by: rp
« on: January 12, 2024, 09:18:15 pm »

https://twitter.com/DalrympleWill/status/1125482695369400322
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William Dalrymple
@DalrympleWill
If you mention Babur on twitter a million sanghis pop up to say Babur was a terrorist jihadi... In fact he never uses the word Allah, prefering the term Tengri- the sky deity worshipped by steppe peoples. According to his biographer Stephen Dale, "Babur scarcely refers to Islam."
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: January 02, 2024, 04:36:43 pm »

To answer the question:

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He died less than a century before Columbus' voyage. Why was European imperialism worse than his?

both Timur and Genghis subjugated Mongols as well as non-Mongols. Columbus etc., in contrast, never subjugated "whites", but at the same time saw no problem with subjugating "non-whites". This is why the latter are worse. The Western colonial empires treated "whites" even from rival Western colonial empires visiting their colonies better than "non-whites" of their own empire who lived in the same colonies.
Posted by: rp
« on: January 02, 2024, 05:47:41 am »

https://twitter.com/BiruniKhorasan/status/1738132831967055958
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History of Khorâsan and the Persianate World
@BiruniKhorasan
Timur wasn’t an “Muslim imperialist” but a steppe conqueror. His role model was Genghis Khan not Prophet Muhammad. He butchered more Muslims (mostly indiscriminately and for little reason) than non-Muslims.

Using a historical barbarian to justify your own barbarism is stupidity.
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Swann Marcus
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He wasn't Arab, but if we're talking about Muslim imperialists, Timur alone killed several million people at a time when there were only 300-400 million in the entire world

He died less than a century before Columbus' voyage. Why was European imperialism worse than his?
Posted by: rp
« on: December 14, 2023, 08:10:39 pm »

LOL:
https://twitter.com/arya_amsha/status/1591107821948768259?t=kW1Xia-6n3D_6EWHdO3Gqw&s=19
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Mongolian chronicles sometimes traced the genealogy of Genghis Khan back to the first mythical Kings of India. He was also said to belong to the same lineage as the Buddha Shakyamuni, and hence would technically be a Suryavanshi Kshatriya


Posted by: rp
« on: November 13, 2023, 12:08:32 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATr7e03N6w
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Khan#Early_life_and_education
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Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan was born in Chakwal, Punjab, British India,[5] in a Qizilbash family on 4 February 1917, according to the references written by Russian sources.[6][7] His family descended from the elite soldier class of Iranian conqueror Nader Shah.[8] He and his family were of Pashtun origin.[9][10][11][12][13][14][15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nader_Shah#Background
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Nader belonged to the  Turkoman Afshar tribe, which was one of the seven tribes[a] of the Qizilbash who helped the Safavid dynasty establish their power in Iran.[15][16] The Afshar tribe had originally lived in the Turkestan region, but during the 13rd-century they moved to the Azerbaijan region in northwestern Iran as a result of the expansion of the Mongol Empire.[17] Nader was from the semi-nomadic Qirqlu clan of the Afshars, which lived in the Khorasan region of northeastern Iran. They had either settled there during the reign of the first Safavid Shah Ismail I (r. 1501–1524), or had been resettled by Shah Abbas I (r. 1588–1629) to fend off Uzbek attacks. Regardless, Afshars moving to Khorasan was already taking place by start of the 16th-century.[18][19]

Nader's native tongue was a southern Oghuz dialect, i.e. "Turkish of Azerbaijan".[20] As he was growing up, he must have swiftly learned Persian, which was the language of the cities and high culture. But unless he was speaking to someone who spoke only Persian, he always preferred to communicate in Turkic.[21] His knowledge of Arabic is not documented, but it seems doubtful given his lack of interest in literature and theology.[22] Nader is known to have acquired reading and writing skills at some point in its life, probably later on.[21]

Approximately three million people or more were nomadic or semi-nomadic pastoralists in Iran in the beginning of the 18th-century, accounting for one-third of the country's population. Strong ties of kinship as well as customs of helping each other out with fights and finances kept their tribal groups united. Despite being partially or fully absorbed into the more progressive, urbanized Persian culture, many of them nevertheless identified culturally with the Turco-Mongol heritage that had been passed down from the era of Timur and Genghis Khan. The settled population was seen by the semi-nomads and nomads as inferior. Nader was part of this heritage, which the British academic Michael Axworthy calls "paradoxical".[21]

Shah should not be described as an Iranian, but a Turanian.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 16, 2023, 07:02:41 pm »

Meanwhile back in the present day:



 ::)
Posted by: rp
« on: October 16, 2023, 05:54:04 pm »

This is why it is important to emphasize Indo-Arab relations (which has a rich history from the Ancient Times to the Middle Ages to the present day) as a counterweight to the Pakistanis (who LARP as Turkic invaders). Once we see the difference between the two ethnic groups, I hope Islamophobia itself in the subcontinent will die down.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: October 16, 2023, 05:08:14 pm »

"Akbar appears to have had some Aryan blood (God knows how)"

My guess:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maham_Begum

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She was the mother of Babur's eldest surviving son and eventual successor, Humayun.
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Historian Annette Beveridge calls this family "quiet, unwarlike Khwajas". Babur also references a certain Abdul Malik Khosti who may also have been a relation of Maham's, though this is not certain.[3]

Abu'l-Fazl ibn Mubarak, the vizier of her grandson Akbar, states that Maham was from a noble family of Khorasan, descendants of the 11th century Sufi mystic Sheikh Ahmad Jami. This was a lineage that she shared with her daughter-in-law, Hamida Banu Begum.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamida_Banu_Begum

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Hamida Banu Begum (c. 1527 – 29 August 1604), was the queen consort of the second Mughal emperor Humayun and the mother of his successor, the third Mughal emperor Akbar.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Ahmad-e_Jami

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He was born in 1048 (441 A.H.) in Namaq (now Kashmar) near Torshiz in Khorasan, and counted Jarir Ibn Abdullah, a companion (Sahaba) of Prophet Mohammad as one of his ancestors. His parents made their living by farming.
Posted by: rp
« on: October 16, 2023, 04:16:02 pm »

Yes, but his grandson Akbar appears to have had some Aryan blood (God knows how), as he promoted vegetarianism and outlawed cattle slaughter..
Posted by: Zhang Caizhi
« on: October 16, 2023, 02:45:00 am »

From what I read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire

The founder of the Mughal Empire, Babur, was a descendant of Timur and Genghis Khan through his father and mother respectively.
Posted by: guest55
« on: April 25, 2022, 11:33:38 pm »

How the Mongols Lost Russia - Medieval History Animated DOCUMENTARY
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The Kings and Generals animated historical documentary series on Mongol History continues with a video explaining how and why the Mongols lost Russia and the Golden Horde was destroyed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClcbdD-YUU8
Posted by: guest55
« on: April 23, 2022, 12:05:37 am »

Lol! Wow!
Posted by: rp
« on: March 20, 2022, 12:48:57 am »

What do Mongolians think of stereotypes?
https://youtu.be/uxmSKTMFK0U

@0:45 "We are also known for our love of meat"
@3:33 "We love to eat meat"
Posted by: guest55
« on: January 11, 2022, 08:16:29 pm »

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How the Mongols Lost China - Medieval History Animated DOCUMENTARY
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The Kings and Generals animated historical documentary series on Mongol History continues with a video explaining how and why thee Mongols lost China and the Yuan dynasty was kicked out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCgGoYGjeds
Posted by: guest55
« on: August 24, 2021, 11:54:09 am »

Why and How the Mongols became Muslim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esuvYHZe22c