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Posted by: rp
« on: February 03, 2023, 06:36:21 pm »

Technically speaking I have seen some "trad" Turanist Hindus who are homophobic, but these are almost all invariably Westerners.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: January 12, 2023, 08:30:23 pm »

Best comment:

British rule in India made These things difficult bz they imported victorian laws was not an issue in pre colonial era

Exactly. Homophobes/transphobes in India are not Hindus:

Hinduism acknowledges a third gender; there are certain characters in the Mahabharata who, according to some versions of the epic, change genders, such as Shikhandi, who is sometimes said to be born as a female but identifies as male and eventually marries a woman.
The Hindu Khajuraho temples, famous for their erotic sculptures, contain several depictions of homosexual activity. Historians have long argued that pre-colonial Indian society did not criminalise same-sex relationships, nor did it view such relations as immoral or sinful.

but actually Westerners:

The Dutch traveler Johan Stavorinus reported about male homosexuality among Mughals living in Bengal, "The sin of Sodom is not only universal in practice among them, but extends to a bestial communication with brutes, and in particular, sheep. Women even abandon themselves to the commission of unnatural crimes."[7][8]
Homosexuality was first criminalized in India under the British Raj through Section 377 which was imposed in 1862. [16]The law stated: "Whoever voluntarily has carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal, shall be punished with [imprisonment for life], or with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to ten years, and shall also be liable to fine. Explanation: Penetration is sufficient to constitute the carnal intercourse necessary to the offense described in the section."[17] The law was drafted by Thomas Babington Macaulay, who based it on anti-sodomy laws that already existed in Britain[16]."
One of the first sodomy-related cases to be prosecuted under British rule in India was the case of Khairati vs Queen Empress in 1884.[19] Khairati was first called on by the police when he was seen cross-dressing and singing with a group of women in Moradabad.[20] The case was brought to the Allahabad high court, where Khairati was forced to undergo a medical examination and it was found that he had an 'extended anal orifice' which was the sign of a 'habitual catamite'.[20] Cross-dressing was, again, used as evidence to support this argument. Cross-dressing was normal in indigenous culture in India, but since this did not fit the moral standards of sexuality of Britishers and the ambiguity of Section 377, Khairati was arrested and prosecuted in court.[19]
Posted by: m94r
« on: January 01, 2023, 01:07:34 pm »

The turanian molding force in western occupied "North America" needs to be destroyed. A manifestation of this is the stupid no loitering laws, only in the west would it be illegal simply to stand somewhere. In western occupied "North America" you always have to be moving from point a to point b.

I'm sure if more people in the west where to loiter among themselves then a unity could grow to alleviate the divisions, classism/rascism, and inappropriate distancing that currently plagues it. 
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 24, 2022, 08:48:16 pm »


Pakistani president repeals colonial-era law against suicide
Under the previous legislation — a vestige of colonial times from before the 1947 partition that carved out India and Pakistan from the former British Empire — attempted suicide was punishable by up to one year in prison, a fine or both in Pakistan.

Of course the British colonialists discouraged suicides, as fewer people meant less tax paid.

In general, any state that prohibits suicide cares more about you as a taxpayer than about you as an individual.

With that said, under current circumstances, the best method for anyone in Pakistan who wants to commit suicide would be to try to eliminate at least one Western colonialist bloodline along with themselves.
Posted by: Zhang Caizhi
« on: December 13, 2022, 11:45:21 pm »

Bali governor insists sex ban no risk to tourists

Bali Governor Wayan Koster says authorities will not check the marital status of those checking in at tourist accommodations.

Bali’s governor has insisted visitors should not worry about a controversial ban on sex outside of marriage, dismissing concerns Indonesia’s revised criminal code will throttle the recovery of the resort island’s lucrative tourism industry.

Bali Governor Wayan Koster said in a statement on Sunday that people can only be prosecuted for sex outside of marriage following a complaint by a parent, spouse or child, a provision added to a stricter draft of the legislation to ensure “everyone’s privacy and comfortableness”.

Wayan said foreign tourists and residents “would not need to worry” about the revised laws and authorities would not check the marital status of people checking in at tourist accommodations.

The governor also criticised what he said were “hoax” reports of travellers cancelling flights and hotel bookings and cautioned against “misleading statements that would stir up the situation”, saying that data from travel agents and airlines indicates that the number of visitors is set to increase next year.

The governor’s remarks come as Bali, a predominately Hindu island in the world’s most populous Muslim-majority nation, seeks to attract back tourists after the COVID-19 pandemic caused arrivals to plunge from 6.3 million in 2019 to just dozens in 2021.

Tourism groups, including the Association of The Indonesian Tours and Travel Agencies and the Indonesian Hotel & Restaurant Association, have expressed concerns about the law, while Australia, the biggest source of foreign tourists, has said it is “seeking further clarity” about how its citizens could be affected.

Gary Bowerman, director of Kuala Lumpur-based travel and tourism research firm Check-in Asia, said despite authorities’ assurances, tourism is heavily dependent on perceptions.

“That’s why destinations spend millions of dollars on campaigns to promote their attractiveness and uniqueness to visitors. The new criminal code could instil a negative perception, not only for fear of personal safety but also for travellers concerned about the rights of local people,” Bowerman told Al Jazeera.

“The important thing to remember is that tourists have choices. If they feel that the new criminal code provides reasons not to visit Indonesia, they can book to go elsewhere. This is not a luxury shared by local people affected by the new criminal code.”

The sex ban follows a sweeping overhaul of Indonesia’s criminal code approved last week by its parliament.

Officials have hailed the passage of the code, which had stalled for decades, as a step to bring the country’s colonial-era laws “in line with Indonesian values”.

The United Nations, human rights groups and press freedom advocates have criticised the code, arguing it violates basic human rights and will disproportionately harm women, religious minorities and LGBTQ people.

In addition to outlawing sex outside of marriage, the code also bans apostasy and makes it a crime to insult the president, state institutions, the national flag and the state philosophy of Pancasila.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: December 06, 2022, 08:37:12 pm »

Tourism operators in Indonesia are still trying to recover from the devastating impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic. Now the country's parliament has passed new laws that some fear could turn tourists away once again - because having sex out of wedlock is set to be outlawed.

The controversial laws, which critics have labelled a "disaster" for human rights, also ban unmarried couples from living together and restrict political and religious freedoms. There were protests in Jakarta this week, and the laws are expected to be challenged in court.

The new criminal codes are set to take effect in three years and apply to Indonesians and foreigners living in the country, as well as visitors.
Under the new law, unmarried couples caught having sex can be jailed for up to a year and those found living together could be jailed for up to six months.

And that is how absurd the Western notion of "human rights" are.

Critics say holiday-makers could also become ensnared.

"Let's say an Australian tourist has a boyfriend or a girlfriend who is a local," Andreas Harsono, a senior researcher at Human Rights Watch told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC).

"Then the local parents or the local brother or sister reported the tourist to the police. It will be a problem."

All locals who dislike this law should emigrate to Australia.

Visitors have been told not to worry too much, because police will only investigate if a family member makes a complaint - such as a parent, spouse or child of the suspected offenders.

But that is dangerous in itself, Mr Harsono said, as it opens the door to "selective law enforcement".

"It means that it will only be implemented against certain targets," he told ABC radio.

Always file complaints when "whites" are involved. Otherwise it proves you are still too intimidated by your colonizers to hold them to the same standards.

And of course it is not just tourists from Australia who could be affected.

Canadian travel blogger Melissa Giroux, who moved to Bali for 18 months in 2017, told the BBC she was "shocked" the law actually came through, after years of talk.

"Many tourists will prefer to go elsewhere instead of risking going to jail once the law is enforced," said Ms Giroux, who pens the blog A Broken Backpack.

"And I'm not even thinking about the single people who come to Bali to party or the ones who fall in love during their travels."

It is possible to fall in love (or to party, for that matter) and not have sex, you Westerner.

Indeed, note how almost the entire article is about how the new law will inconvenience (implicitly Western) tourists. This is how Westerners think the entire non-Western world should revolve around pleasing Western tourists. This is in itself one reason why laws such as the above are so refreshing: it sends the message that at least parts of the non-Western world still exist that does not prioritize the pleasure of Western tourists.

See also:
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 21, 2022, 05:58:41 pm »


LGBTQ groups welcomed Lee's decision to repeal Section 377A of the penal code, a colonial-era law that criminalizes sex between men

As we keep emphasizing, homophobia is Western:

traditional Malay culture did not contain the idea or the figure of the modern gay individual. However, Malay society did acknowledge the reality and existence of alternatives to heterosexual practices. ‘Third gender’ or transgender individuals, who are called mak nyah, were socially recognised, tolerated and even incorporated into community life.
Bret Hinsch in chapter 6 of his book 'Passions of the Cut Sleeve: the Male Homosexual Tradition in China' has detailed evidence, derived from the works of literati Li Yu and Shen De Fu, of institutionalised gay marriage practices amongst Hokkien men in Ming dynasty China.[3][4] The subculture was exported along with the human tide into Singapore and practised discreetly in an alien environment which officially espoused Victorian values.
As with other British colonies, Singapore acquired a legal system and law modelled after Britain. Victorian values were codified into strict laws governing sexual behaviour in the United Kingdom, and these were brought to the colonies. The colonial legal system criminalised sodomy (see section 377 of the Singapore Penal Code). These laws reinforced the values of the ruling British elite, which set the tone for other classes and ethnicities to emulate, at least on the surface. Over time, and to appear equally 'civilised' many Asians disavowed their longstanding cultural tolerance of sexual minorities.
When the Japanese invaded Singapore in February 1942, Japanese laws replaced previous colonial laws. Gay sex was never criminalised in Japan and would now have been technically legal in Singapore.
The growing popularity of travel to Thailand and Japan in the late 1970s also introduced Singaporeans to traditional Asian societies that were more accepting of homosexuals.

The problem is that illiterates were in power, and they inverted reality:

Singapore's rapid economic growth had been attributed by its leaders to 'Asian values'. The promotion of these ideas by Singaporean leaders fostered a climate of social conservatism. Against this backdrop, gays were perceived as a threat to Asian values and a sign of the emergence of decadent Western liberalism and individualism.

This truth is the exact opposite! It was Western civilization which perceived "gays" as a threat to its values! Then again, what can we expect from anyone who uses the Eurocentric term "Asian" (itself a colonial-era Western concept) to describe themselves? Maybe they are correct: if "Asian values" means perceiving oneself as a servile imitator of Western civilization, then of course you would perceive "gays" as a threat to your West-worship.....

See also:

Bonus song:
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 17, 2022, 03:46:43 pm »

Continuing from:


(Bloomberg) -- Hong Kong has denied a jury trial to dozens of democracy advocates facing life in prison under a China-imposed national security law, according to local media, raising concerns over the rule of law in the former British colony.

Justice Secretary Paul Lam ordered the city’s largest national security case to be held before a panel of three handpicked judges in a document dated last Saturday, the South China Morning Post reported Wednesday.

His decision upholds a break with Hong Kong’s common law judicial tradition in such cases -- so far, no national security law defendant has been granted a jury.

Keep it up! Juries never existed in any non-Western civilization; this is something that all non-Westerners should be proud of!

Lam wrote that a jury trial carried “a real risk that the due administration of justice might be impaired,” according to the newspaper, which saw the document. He named “involvement of foreign factors” and the “personal safety of jurors” as reasons for the decision, citing provisions in the law for mandating a trial by judge.

Thank you. But if so, why not eliminate juries altogether?

Some 30 of the defendants, who include organizers of the 2019 anti-government protests and already jailed activist Joshua Wong, have been held without bail for more than a year
Three former leaders of the Hong Kong Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements of China have been denied bail since being charged with subversion last September, with only basic details being reported from their court appearances.

Bail should also be eliminated, as previously discussed:
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: August 12, 2022, 08:50:17 pm »

The pushback against compulsory schooling (a uniquely Western institution) begins!

Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: June 27, 2022, 09:50:16 pm »

Finally some American radicalism:

The Constitution Was Literally Written By Slaveowners. Why Is America Obsessed With Upholding It?

Last week, the Supreme Court eviscerated a woman’s right to abortion, undermined Miranda rights, expanded gun rights and allowed border patrol agents to operate with even further impunity. Today, it ruled that a former Washington state high school football coach can pray on the field immediately after games—regardless of the religious backgrounds of the students.
The primary authors consisted of: John Adams, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison. The last two men on that list owned slaves. How can this set of laws still guide a nation when it was concocted by white men who looked at Black people as property and not as human?
It’s clear that the right will continue to twist and contort anything they can to carry out their agenda—an agenda that has and will always harm this country’s most marginalized and vulnerable populations. And honestly, the Constitution will always be a hell of an excuse to oppress Black folks on behalf of white supremacy.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: June 20, 2022, 02:30:07 am »


(Bloomberg) -- Veteran human rights lawyer Michael Vidler decided it was too dangerous to work in Hong Kong the moment a judge designated to handle national security law cases implied offering legal support to democracy activists could be a crime.
“It was deeply disturbing for me as a lawyer to be, in essence, accused of inciting a crime because a potential client had a piece of paper on him which listed my firm as a source of legal advice and assistance,” said Vidler, who previously defended now-jailed democracy activist Joshua Wong and won a landmark appeal that recognized spousal visas for same sex couples.
Vidler left Hong Kong in May after almost two decades working in the former British colony, and closed his law firm shortly after. His experience reflects growing concern that Hong Kong’s rule of law, for decades a foundational pillar of its standing as an international financial center, is becoming more influenced by the mainland where the Communist Party controls the courts.

Now will someone track down this Western colonialist and finish him off?

Authorities have ramped up pressure on lawyers who’ve defended some of the 10,000 protesters arrested during the 2019 unrest. Prominent barrister Margaret Ng was arrested over her work with a fund providing financial aid to activists, with police reporting other lawyers to their professional bodies for misconduct unearthed in that investigation. She has denied the charges and a court hearing is set for Sept. 19.

Former Hong Kong Bar Association chief and human rights lawyer Paul Harris left the city in March after being questioned by national security police.

And hopefully the same for this Western colonialist?

“Any degradation of Hong Kong’s strong rule-of-law tradition by hollowing out rule-of-law-related institutions will not be favorable to the security of international investments and finance,” said Michael Davis, a professor of law and international affairs at O.P. Jindal Global University in India, and former law professor at the University of Hong Kong.

That's what we want! (And hopefully the same treatment as above for this Western colonialist?)

Keith Richburg, head of the Foreign Correspondents’ Club, Hong Kong, said the board suspended its longstanding Human Rights Press Awards earlier this year after lawyers advised him the police would probably investigate the organization for “aiding, promoting or celebrating sedition,” according to a recording of a meeting with local journalists to explain the decision.

This Western colonialist apparently hasn't left, so the government should hang him in public!

Perhaps most significantly, it changed the rules for bail by removing the presumption of innocence, a precedent that’s seen scores of defendants jailed for more than a year without a trial and has since been expanded to other crimes with a security element.

Thank you! The unethicality of bail was previously explained here:


So far, all four security law cases that have come to trial have resulted in guilty verdicts, with the sole defendant who fought charges denied a reduction in sentence in part because he chose not to plead guilty.

I dislike the practice of guilty pleas leading to reduced sentences, though. A guilty plea does not reduce the initial crime, therefore should not reduce the sentence for that crime. Reducing the sentence on account of a guilty plea amounts to reducing the sentence in in exchange for less work for the judge, which in an honourable world would be interpreted as the judge accepting a bribe from the criminal.

Despite fears for the legal protection of civil liberties, four lawyers who either currently practice or recently worked in Hong Kong said there appears to be an expectation in the business community that other areas of law won’t be eroded, which they considered to be misguided. All four spoke on the condition of anonymity.

“Commercial law won’t be interfered with because that’s one of the pillars of Hong Kong being an international center for business, trade, and finance,” said George Cautherley, vice chairman of the International Chamber of Commerce in the city.

This Western colonialist (who apparently also hasn't left) should also be hanged in public.

Posted by: rp
« on: June 19, 2022, 02:44:31 pm »


Bankruptcy is a legal process through which people or other entities who cannot repay debts to creditors may seek relief from some or all of their debts. In most jurisdictions, bankruptcy is imposed by a court order, often initiated by the debtor.

is another Western institution spread around the world during the colonial era that has been thoughtlessly continued, but which we need to get rid of. It is an institution that favours people who take risks with money, since if it goes well they keep the profits, but if it goes badly they are insulated from the consequences:

It is strategically sensible for capitalism to support bankruptcy as capitalism wants more people to take risks with money (so that some succeed). By eliminating bankruptcy, we would also weaken capitalism as a whole, as people would become more cautious with money.

So where does bankruptcy come from?

In Judaism and the Torah, or Old Testament, every seventh year is decreed by Mosaic Law as a Sabbatical year wherein the release of all debts that are owed by members of the Jewish community is mandated, but not of "gentiles".[1] The seventh Sabbatical year, or forty-ninth year, is then followed by another Sabbatical year known as the Year of Jubilee wherein the release of all debts is mandated, for fellow community members and foreigners alike, and the release of all debt-slaves is also mandated.[2] The Year of Jubilee is announced in advance on the Day of Atonement, or the tenth day of the seventh Biblical month, in the forty-ninth year by the blowing of trumpets throughout the land of Israel.

Under the Act, the Lord Chancellor was given power to discharge bankrupts, once disclosure of all assets and various procedures had been fulfilled.

Discharge from debt was introduced for those who cooperated with creditors.

I heard from that in some non-Western countries, borrowers would commit suicide out of honor if they defaulted on their loans. It seems that this honor based code has all but vanished now, with the predominance of guiltless Western culture.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: June 08, 2022, 08:15:17 pm »

This is what decolonization is about:

ISLAMABAD (AP) — The Taliban have arrested a well-known Afghan fashion model and three of his colleagues, accusing them of disrespecting Islam and the Quran, the Muslim holy book, according to videos released by Afghanistan's new rulers.

Ajmal Haqiqi — known for his fashion shows, YouTube clips and modeling events — appeared handcuffed in videos posted on Twitter by the Taliban intelligence agency on Tuesday.

In one widely circulated and contentious video, Haqiqi is seen laughing as his colleague Ghulam Sakhi — who is known to have a speech impediment that he uses for humor — recites verses of the Quran in Arabic, in a comical voice.

This is Haqiqi:

Later Wednesday, Amnesty International released a statement, urging the Taliban to “immediately and unconditionally” release Haqiqi and his colleagues.

No, cut off their tongues one slice at a time!
Posted by: rp
« on: May 18, 2022, 10:40:00 pm »

We see the contrast in the (non-Western) autocratic approach versus the (Western) democratic approach.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: May 18, 2022, 08:52:52 pm »

If we look at the history of policing in ancient non-Western civilizations:

Law enforcement in ancient China was carried out by "prefects" for thousands of years since it developed in both the Chu and Jin kingdoms of the Spring and Autumn period. In Jin, dozens of prefects were spread across the state, each having limited authority and employment period. They were appointed by local magistrates, who reported to higher authorities such as governors, who in turn were appointed by the emperor, and they oversaw the civil administration of their "prefecture", or jurisdiction. Under each prefect were "subprefects" who helped collectively with law enforcement in the area. Some prefects were responsible for handling investigations, much like modern police detectives. Prefects could also be women.[13] Local citizens could report minor judicial offenses against them such as robberies at a local prefectural office. The concept of the "prefecture system" spread to other cultures such as Korea and Japan.

In Babylonia, law enforcement tasks were initially entrusted to individuals with military backgrounds or imperial magnates during the Old Babylonian period, but eventually, law enforcement was delegated to officers known as paqūdus, who were present in both cities and rural settlements. A paqūdu was responsible for investigating petty crimes and carrying out arrests.[14][15]

In ancient Egypt evidence of law enforcement exists as far back as the Old Kingdom period. There are records of an office known as "Judge Commandant of the Police" dating to the fourth dynasty.[16] During the fifth dynasty at the end of the Old Kingdom period, officers armed with wooden sticks were tasked with guarding public places such as markets, temples, and parks, and apprehending criminals. They are known to have made use of trained monkeys, baboons, and dogs in guard duties and catching criminals. After the Old Kingdom collapsed, ushering in the First Intermediate Period, it is thought that the same model applied. During this period, Bedouins were hired to guard the borders and protect trade caravans. During the Middle Kingdom period, a professional police force was created with a specific focus on enforcing the law, as opposed to the previous informal arrangement of using warriors as police. The police force was further reformed during the New Kingdom period. Police officers served as interrogators, prosecutors, and court bailiffs, and were responsible for administering punishments handed down by judges.
Law enforcement systems existed in the various kingdoms and empires of ancient India. The Apastamba Dharmasutra prescribes that kings should appoint officers and subordinates in the towns and villages to protect their subjects from crime. Various inscriptions and literature from ancient India suggest that a variety of roles existed for law enforcement officials such as those of a constable, thief catcher, watchman, and detective.[23] In ancient India up to medieval and early modern times, kotwals were in charge of local law enforcement.[24]

Persian Empire
The Persian Empire had well-organized police forces. A police force existed in every place of importance. In the cities, each ward was under the command of a Superintendent of Police, known as a Kuipan, who was expected to command implicit obedience in his subordinates. Police officers also acted as prosecutors and carried out punishments imposed by the courts. They were required to know the court procedure for prosecuting cases and advancing accusations.[25]
The Americas
Pre-Columbian civilizations in the Americas also had organized law enforcement. The city-states of the Maya civilization had constables known as tupils, as well as bailiffs.[29] In the Aztec Empire, judges had officers serving under them who were empowered to perform arrests, even of dignitaries.[30] In the Inca Empire, officials called curaca enforced the law among the households they were assigned to oversee, with inspectors known as tokoyrikoq (lit. 'he who sees all') also stationed throughout the provinces to keep order.[31][32]

a common feature is a top-down approach. In contrast:

The English system of maintaining public order since the Norman conquest was a private system of tithings known as the mutual pledge system. This system was introduced under Alfred the Great. Communities were divided into groups of ten families called tithings, each of which was overseen by a chief tithingman. Every household head was responsible for the good behavior of his own family and the good behavior of other members of his tithing. Every male aged 12 and over was required to participate in a tithing. Members of tithings were responsible for raising "hue and cry" upon witnessing or learning of a crime, and the men of his tithing were responsible for capturing the criminal.
Following the Norman conquest of England in 1066, the tithing system was tightened with the frankpledge system. By the end of the 13th century, the office of constable developed. Constables had the same responsibilities as chief tithingmen and additionally as royal officers. The constable was elected by his parish every year.
From about 1500, private watchmen were funded by private individuals and organisations to carry out police functions. They were later nicknamed 'Charlies', probably after the reigning monarch King Charles II. Thief-takers were also rewarded for catching thieves and returning the stolen property. They were private individuals usually hired by crime victims.
Up to the early 18th century, the level of state involvement in law enforcement in Britain was low. Although some law enforcement officials existed in the form of constables and watchmen, there was no organized police force.
Law enforcement was mostly up to the private citizens, who had the right and duty to prosecute crimes in which they were involved or in which they were not.
Thief-takers became infamously known not so much for what they were supposed to do, catching real criminals and prosecuting them, as for "setting themselves up as intermediaries between victims and their attackers, extracting payments for the return of stolen goods and using the threat of prosecution to keep offenders in thrall". Some of them, such as Jonathan Wild, became infamous at the time for staging robberies in order to receive the reward.[46][47]

Thus the rightist feeling as presented in the article you linked to:

Policing is best accomplished as a uniquely local endeavor. The police are a part of the communities they serve, and centralizing them in Washington would change that for the worse.

is in line with the latter approach.