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Posted by: Cthens
« on: March 01, 2021, 08:29:23 pm »

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But Hitler himself believed there was a German Race?. Only people create culture and civilisations and that is a product of a Race!


When Hitler speaks of the "German Race" he most likely is referring to the German people. This only adds confusion. I wish Hitler would have been more precise on this topic.

Who are the German People\Volke?

The confusion continues to this day:
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“Race” is usually associated with biology and linked with physical characteristics such as skin color or hair texture. “Ethnicity” is linked with cultural expression and identification. However, both are social constructs used to categorize and characterize seemingly distinct populations.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/race-ethnicity

I could argue that the definition of "race" and "ethnicity" as written above are actually backwards....

Clearly National Socialist Germans did not view people who had pale-skin such as themselves as members of the 'German people' either:
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We back home would be bad stewards of the goods entrusted to us if we let the foreigners settle in here.

According to our regulations, all foreigners in the Reich today are governed by the state and the party. The German Reich guarantees that they receive decent and correct treatment. Those individuals who come to the Reich also fall under these regulations, regardless of how nice and friendly they are. Our soldiers are also nice and friendly and decent and hard-working, but if they have the misfortune to fall into the enemy’s hands they are under the laws of war. All their decency and friendliness are of no help whatsoever, as the First World War showed (and we should not forget that so quickly). Nor do we want to forget the men who fell into the hands of the Poles of the Soviets.

don’t be angry at me, but it seems clear to me that you and your wife want to sit at the same table with a White Russian.... Haven’t we Germans learned anything from the years we suffered? The position we hold today has been won by the bravery of our soldiers. Do you think that if our positions were reversed and we stood in a dependent position before a Frenchman, a Serb, an Englishman, a Norwegian (as they do before us today), that they would sit at the same table with us? No matter how decent a person you were, you would first and foremost be a German, and they would not sit at the same table with you! And don’t tell me that you are a National Socialist, and therefore... Because you are a Nazi, you should know what you owe the Fatherland with respect to foreigners. As a German I don’t need a whip, only my pride.

The war is raging on every front and countless men risk their lives for us every day, yet we are becoming soft toward those who robbed us of peace! We are confusing our youth in the midst of challenging times, a youth that will inherit what their fathers have fought for. We do not want to plant hatred in the souls of our children — certainly not — but they do need the knowledge and the toughness that are necessary to build a thousand-year Reich. Otherwise, why shed so much German blood, why should mothers sacrifice their sons, wives their husbands, children their fathers — for this struggle would then lose its meaning.
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/russian.htm

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I believe that the last war for humanity should be against Israel which is the root of all the problems in the world

Hypothetically speaking, say the world does defeat Israel, what about all the Gentiles\Turanian bloodlines that will still exist after Jewry is vanquished? From the Aryan perspective Gentiles are no different than Jews except for the fact that they are not Jewish.

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I said before war creates immigrants and it serves only International capitalists because there is profit in wars and immigration too Right?

I don't think most mercenary soldiers throughout human history can be classified as "international capitalists"....?

Very well! America to would do well to learn this.
Posted by: Cthens
« on: March 01, 2021, 08:27:22 pm »

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In another threat you said Racialism was born out of Idealism. So you do believe that Race exist? For example Chinese have higher IQ on average and their states works in the way that THEY form it?  Correct me If I'm wrong.

Scientifically speaking I do not believe races exist, only ideologically. Like Hitler himself I believe 'race' can be used to create a new type of human. I believe there are only three races: Aryan, Gentile, and Jew.

'Chinese' is an ethnicity and a nationality. Anyone who wants to become Chinese can move to China and become a Chinese citizen and I do not see any "IQ" requirements in the Chinese Nationality Laws, so I'm not sure what your question is about in that regard?
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Article 7 of the Nationality Law states that foreigners who will abide by the Chinese Constitution and laws can apply to be naturalized as Chinese citizens if they meet one of the following conditions: they have close relatives who are Chinese nationals, they have settled in China, or if they have other legitimate reasons. Article 8 describes how a person can apply for naturalization as a Chinese national, but will lose their foreign nationality on the approval of the application. https://www.thoughtco.com/chinese-citizenship-explained-688071

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I do believe that each nation should live peacefully side by side I do not like the concept that we should cause divisions in other nations I also believe that if you really care about preserving Race you shouldn't support wars because that itself will create a wave of immigrants into the nation you live in and the result of that is mixing. I do believe that many WN destroy the image of Racialism and Nationalism because most of the representative only yell "**** N*****", "White power" and have Tattoos all over the Face but at the same time I dont agree with lefties that Internationalism is good and Nationalism is bad. can you relate to some of it?

Much like the Chinese I do not see a problem with immigration. Nor do I see a problem with 'war' if the cause is just, such as retaliatory strikes. I do have a problem with race mixing, Aryans should never mix their blood with gentiles or Jews, for example. But alas, it's already way too late for that! There are no pure races left, as Alfred Rosenberg pointed out in the following point of his:
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If one wished to describe the history of the Aryans, he would have to admit that today the Aryan has vanished except for a few very small traces. — Alfred Rosenberg
Because as Hitler put it Aryans mixed their blood with non-Aryans, i.e. Jews and Gentiles:
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But eventually, the conquerors violate the first principle, keeping their blood pure and not mixing with lower racial stock. They begin to interact with the conquered inhabitants and in doing so, put an end to their own existence. Even for the original sin of man, the penalty was expulsion from Paradise. — Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg. 192
Which happens to be one of the main reasons the world today is in the shape that it's in....


Posted by: guest5
« on: February 27, 2021, 06:04:06 pm »

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But Hitler himself believed there was a German Race?. Only people create culture and civilisations and that is a product of a Race!


When Hitler speaks of the "German Race" he most likely is referring to the German people. This only adds confusion. I wish Hitler would have been more precise on this topic.

Who are the German People\Volke?

The confusion continues to this day:
Quote
“Race” is usually associated with biology and linked with physical characteristics such as skin color or hair texture. “Ethnicity” is linked with cultural expression and identification. However, both are social constructs used to categorize and characterize seemingly distinct populations.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/race-ethnicity

I could argue that the definition of "race" and "ethnicity" as written above are actually backwards....

Clearly National Socialist Germans did not view people who had pale-skin such as themselves as members of the 'German people' either:
Quote
We back home would be bad stewards of the goods entrusted to us if we let the foreigners settle in here.

According to our regulations, all foreigners in the Reich today are governed by the state and the party. The German Reich guarantees that they receive decent and correct treatment. Those individuals who come to the Reich also fall under these regulations, regardless of how nice and friendly they are. Our soldiers are also nice and friendly and decent and hard-working, but if they have the misfortune to fall into the enemy’s hands they are under the laws of war. All their decency and friendliness are of no help whatsoever, as the First World War showed (and we should not forget that so quickly). Nor do we want to forget the men who fell into the hands of the Poles of the Soviets.

don’t be angry at me, but it seems clear to me that you and your wife want to sit at the same table with a White Russian.... Haven’t we Germans learned anything from the years we suffered? The position we hold today has been won by the bravery of our soldiers. Do you think that if our positions were reversed and we stood in a dependent position before a Frenchman, a Serb, an Englishman, a Norwegian (as they do before us today), that they would sit at the same table with us? No matter how decent a person you were, you would first and foremost be a German, and they would not sit at the same table with you! And don’t tell me that you are a National Socialist, and therefore... Because you are a Nazi, you should know what you owe the Fatherland with respect to foreigners. As a German I don’t need a whip, only my pride.

The war is raging on every front and countless men risk their lives for us every day, yet we are becoming soft toward those who robbed us of peace! We are confusing our youth in the midst of challenging times, a youth that will inherit what their fathers have fought for. We do not want to plant hatred in the souls of our children — certainly not — but they do need the knowledge and the toughness that are necessary to build a thousand-year Reich. Otherwise, why shed so much German blood, why should mothers sacrifice their sons, wives their husbands, children their fathers — for this struggle would then lose its meaning.
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/russian.htm

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I believe that the last war for humanity should be against Israel which is the root of all the problems in the world

Hypothetically speaking, say the world does defeat Israel, what about all the Gentiles\Turanian bloodlines that will still exist after Jewry is vanquished? From the Aryan perspective Gentiles are no different than Jews except for the fact that they are not Jewish.

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I said before war creates immigrants and it serves only International capitalists because there is profit in wars and immigration too Right?

I don't think most mercenary soldiers throughout human history can be classified as "international capitalists"....?
Posted by: Danzz
« on: February 26, 2021, 10:13:07 pm »



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IScientifically speaking I do not believe races exist, only ideologically. Like Hitler himself I believe 'race' can be used to create a new type of human. I believe there are only three races: Aryan, Gentile, and Jew.


'Chinese' is an ethnicity and a nationality. Anyone who wants to become Chinese can move to China and become a Chinese citizen and I do not see any "IQ" requirements in the Chinese Nationality Laws, so I'm not sure what your question is about in that regard?

But Hitler himself believed there was a German Race?. Only people create culture and civilisations and that is a product of a Race!.




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Much like the Chinese I do not see a problem with immigration. Nor do I see a problem with 'war' if the cause is just, such as retaliatory strikes.
 

I believe that the last war for humanity should be against Israel which is the root of all the problems in the world and should be wiped out and I believe that the only way we can do this is by welcoming immigrants because there must be a reason why they come here? as I said before war creates immigrants and it serves only International capitalists because there is profit in wars and immigration too Right?
Posted by: guest5
« on: February 26, 2021, 08:23:42 pm »

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In another threat you said Racialism was born out of Idealism. So you do believe that Race exist? For example Chinese have higher IQ on average and their states works in the way that THEY form it?  Correct me If I'm wrong.

Scientifically speaking I do not believe races exist, only ideologically. Like Hitler himself I believe 'race' can be used to create a new type of human. I believe there are only three races: Aryan, Gentile, and Jew.

'Chinese' is an ethnicity and a nationality. Anyone who wants to become Chinese can move to China and become a Chinese citizen and I do not see any "IQ" requirements in the Chinese Nationality Laws, so I'm not sure what your question is about in that regard?
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Article 7 of the Nationality Law states that foreigners who will abide by the Chinese Constitution and laws can apply to be naturalized as Chinese citizens if they meet one of the following conditions: they have close relatives who are Chinese nationals, they have settled in China, or if they have other legitimate reasons. Article 8 describes how a person can apply for naturalization as a Chinese national, but will lose their foreign nationality on the approval of the application. https://www.thoughtco.com/chinese-citizenship-explained-688071

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I do believe that each nation should live peacefully side by side I do not like the concept that we should cause divisions in other nations I also believe that if you really care about preserving Race you shouldn't support wars because that itself will create a wave of immigrants into the nation you live in and the result of that is mixing. I do believe that many WN destroy the image of Racialism and Nationalism because most of the representative only yell "**** N*****", "White power" and have Tattoos all over the Face but at the same time I dont agree with lefties that Internationalism is good and Nationalism is bad. can you relate to some of it?

Much like the Chinese I do not see a problem with immigration. Nor do I see a problem with 'war' if the cause is just, such as retaliatory strikes. I do have a problem with race mixing, Aryans should never mix their blood with gentiles or Jews, for example. But alas, it's already way too late for that! There are no pure races left, as Alfred Rosenberg pointed out in the following point of his:
Quote
If one wished to describe the history of the Aryans, he would have to admit that today the Aryan has vanished except for a few very small traces. — Alfred Rosenberg
Because as Hitler put it Aryans mixed their blood with non-Aryans, i.e. Jews and Gentiles:
Quote
But eventually, the conquerors violate the first principle, keeping their blood pure and not mixing with lower racial stock. They begin to interact with the conquered inhabitants and in doing so, put an end to their own existence. Even for the original sin of man, the penalty was expulsion from Paradise. — Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg. 192
Which happens to be one of the main reasons the world today is in the shape that it's in....

 
Posted by: Danzz
« on: February 26, 2021, 08:05:46 am »

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So what's the difference between International Socislism and National Socialism? What's the main purpose of having Nations?. They are only there for  division?.

"International Socialism" would be no different than "International Capitalism" if it does not take into account that each nation is like an individual being and that 'one size does not fit all'. I see the main purpose of nations as the container that houses the folk, or people of that nation. What works for a folkish state in present day Mexico probably would not work for a folkish state in Sweden, for example. The Swedish folk and the Mexican folk probably have many different ideals and needs that are unique to their geography and environment. This is true Folkish National Socialism in a nut-shell. To believe that what works in Sweden should also work in Mexico is what communists, capitalists, and westerners more generally believe. Also, keep in mind Western colonialism is the belief that Swedish culture is superior to Mexican culture, therefore Sweden should force it's culture on Mexico and completely destroy Mexican culture altogether.

The best way to understand borders between nations is to simply realize that one set of laws applies on one side of the border, those laws being unique to the folk that live in that particular nation and on that side of the border, and a different set of laws apply on the other side of the border which are unique to the folk that live there.

Tribalism equals division, not true nationalism. I see nationalism as a step in the right direction away from tribalism:





""International Socialism" would be no different than "International Capitalism" if it does not take into account that each nation is like an individual being and that 'one size does not fit all'. I see the main purpose of nations as the container that houses the folk, or people of that nation. What works for a folkish state in present day Mexico probably would not work for a folkish state in Sweden, for example. The Swedish folk and the Mexican folk probably have many different ideals and needs that are unique to their geography and environment. "

In another threat you said Racialism was born out of Idealism. So you do believe that Race exist? For example Chinese have higher IQ on average and their states works in the way that THEY form it?  Correct me If I'm wrong.

 I do believe that each nation should live peacefully side by side I do not like the concept that we should cause divisions in other nations I also believe that if you really care about preserving Race you shouldn't support wars because that itself will create a wave of immigrants into the nation you live in and the result of that is mixing. I do believe that many WN destroy the image of Racialism and Nationalism because most of the representative only yell "**** N*****", "White power" and have Tattoos all over the Face but at the same time I dont agree with lefties that Internationalism is good and Nationalism is bad. can you relate to some of it?
Posted by: guest5
« on: February 25, 2021, 08:54:40 pm »

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So what's the difference between International Socislism and National Socialism? What's the main purpose of having Nations?. They are only there for  division?.

"International Socialism" would be no different than "International Capitalism" if it does not take into account that each nation is like an individual being and that 'one size does not fit all'. I see the main purpose of nations as the container that houses the folk, or people of that nation. What works for a folkish state in present day Mexico probably would not work for a folkish state in Sweden, for example. The Swedish folk and the Mexican folk probably have many different ideals and needs that are unique to their geography and environment. This is true Folkish National Socialism in a nut-shell. To believe that what works in Sweden should also work in Mexico is what communists, capitalists, and westerners more generally believe. Also, keep in mind Western colonialism is the belief that Swedish culture is superior to Mexican culture, therefore Sweden should force it's culture on Mexico and completely destroy Mexican culture altogether.

The best way to understand borders between nations is to simply realize that one set of laws applies on one side of the border, those laws being unique to the folk that live in that particular nation and on that side of the border, and a different set of laws apply on the other side of the border which are unique to the folk that live there.

Tribalism equals division, not true nationalism. I see nationalism as a step in the right direction away from tribalism:


Posted by: Danzz
« on: February 25, 2021, 04:31:16 am »

So what's the difference between International Socislism and National Socialism? What's the main purpose of having Nations?. They are only there for  division?.
Posted by: 90sRetroFan
« on: February 24, 2021, 09:34:33 pm »

They are still our enemies, same as anti-Israel WNs. There is also no guarantee that they will not become pro-Duginist later (just as we have seen many WNs become pro-Israel over the years).

WNs who claim to be "anti-Duginist" actually merely mean they consider Duginism threatening to "white" tribal interests. If Duginism ceases to be threatening to "white" tribal interests in their perception (which Duginists can control by modifying their policies so as to be more obviously beneficial to "white" tribal interests), they will stop being "anti-Duginist", which means they were never truly (unconditionally) anti-Duginist in the first place.

As I keep saying, WNs' fundamental motivation is "white" tribal interests. One who is pro-something can never be unconditionally anti-anything. This is a fundamental principle of selfish psychology. Only those who do not think in terms of self-interest can have true enemies.
Posted by: Danzz
« on: February 23, 2021, 12:20:35 pm »

I would like to know what is the opinion about Anti-Dugin white Nationalist ?