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History => Counterculture Era => Topic started by: HikariDude on April 12, 2023, 10:42:31 pm
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"Velcros. They are not as water-resistant anymore, but otherwise are still functional."
This reminded me of some old sandals I still have. Thinking of it now, would you agree that sandals are more earthly and non-Western than conventional shoes are?
"Same! On the other hand, I despise performative grungers who deliberately damage new clothes (or furniture etc.) in order to then mend them so as to fabricate the style. They are in my eyes no better than those who undergo cosmetic surgery to fake a gracile face shape."
Yes absolutely. What's worse is when people buy clothing that are already (performatively) damaged, making the inauthenticity even more lazy. Even working class baseball caps aren't spared. Gone are the weatherworn and well-seasoned hats people have worn on the job since they were teenagers, now truck stops sell hats with an insincerely made "grimy" look to them fresh off the shelf. It used to be commonly understood that Counterculture requires commitment and authenticity. What happened? Posers must die.
Going back to this thread's topic, may I risk a rare Counterculture stamp of approval for this one?
https://youtu.be/QK8mJJJvaes
Even if you and I may not like how the song sounds itself, when it came out it felt noteworthy for a popular song's message to be a lighthearted passion for thrift. Its just a breath of fresh air compared to most of what's out there today.
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"Seriously, what kind of shoes are they? They're still holding up after all this time?"
Velcros. They are not as water-resistant anymore, but otherwise are still functional.
"I always try to mend my clothing, the stitches and patches are a point of pride for me."
Same! On the other hand, I despise performative grungers who deliberately damage new clothes (or furniture etc.) in order to then mend them so as to fabricate the style. They are in my eyes no better than those who undergo cosmetic surgery to fake a gracile face shape.
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Unbelievable aura. Seriously, what kind of shoes are they? They're still holding up after all this time? I always try to mend my clothing, the stitches and patches are a point of pride for me.
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The characteristics you describe are also reflected in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge
The grunge look typically consisted of second-hand clothes or thrift store items
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"Grunge ... became an anti-consumerist movement where the less you spent on clothes, the more 'coolness' you had."[106]
I myself have so much coolness that I am still wearing the same pair of shoes that I used to wear to school in the 90s. 8)
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If a necessary condition for something to be called Counterculture is promotion of anti-Western aesthetics, then the main issue is whether or not its American influences count as anti-Western. Chronologically, the Counterculture era had already begun in America by then, so a strong case can be made that citypop artists perceived American influences as anti-Western. It should especially be noted that American aesthetics are associated with anti-conservatism in Japan:
That's what I was stuck on. I know many in Japan call citypop "Western" at first glance for its American influences alone, but I agree that's not really the case once you look beneath the surface at its anti-conservative connotations.
which would appear to be a symptom of low self-esteem, whereas we typically associate Counterculture with the regaining of self-esteem by "non-whites". I think what was going on at the time was that citypop artists were dissatisfied with Western aesthetics but felt safer challenging it with American aesthetics. As they saw other artists successfully challenging Western aesthetics without relying on American aesthetics, the citypop artists rejoined the mainstream, thus citypop as a separate genre faded away.
Is it fair to say that there are some Counterculture genres are superior to others? I would consider lo-fi, for one, to be superior. The uniquely relaxing atmosphere of lo-fi aside, lo-fi is incredibly nostalgic as well. You don't really have a lo-fi song without a sample from a movie or sound effect from the '90s. To me, lo-fi is the musical equivalent to Japanese minimalist art, as its characteristics of understated low-fidelity easily fits these Aryan concepts influenced from Zen Buddhism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabi-sabi
In traditional Japanese aesthetics, wabi-sabi (侘び寂び) centers on the acceptance of transience and imperfection.[2] It is often described as the appreciation of beauty that is "imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete".[3] It is prevalent in many forms of Japanese art.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_(negative_space)
In modern interpretations of traditional Japanese arts and culture, ma is an artistic interpretation of an empty space, often holding as much importance as the rest of an artwork and focusing the viewer on the intention of negative space in an art piece. The concept of space as a positive entity is opposed to the absence of such a principle in a correlated "Japanese" notion of space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibui
Shibui (渋い) (adjective), shibumi (渋み) (subjective noun), or shibusa (渋さ) (objective noun) are Japanese words that refer to a particular aesthetic of simple, subtle, and unobtrusive beauty
Shibui objects appear to be simple overall, but they include subtle details, such as textures, that balance simplicity with complexity. This balance of simplicity and complexity ensures that one does not tire of a shibui object, but constantly finds new meanings and enriched beauty that cause its aesthetic value to grow over the years. Shibusa walks a fine line between contrasting aesthetic concepts such as elegant and rough or spontaneous and restrained
Bonus music - "Eternal Youth":
https://youtu.be/W6hasdx4a1I
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_pop
There is no consensus among scholars regarding the definition of city pop.[2] In Japan, the term referred to music that projected an "urban" feel and whose target demographic was urbanites. Many city pop artists did not embrace Japanese influences,[2] and instead largely drew from American funk, soft rock and boogie.[9] Some songs feature tropical flourishes or elements taken from disco, jazz fusion, Okinawan, Latin and Caribbean music.
If a necessary condition for something to be called Counterculture is promotion of anti-Western aesthetics, then the main issue is whether or not its American influences count as anti-Western. Chronologically, the Counterculture era had already begun in America by then, so a strong case can be made that citypop artists perceived American influences as anti-Western. It should especially be noted that American aesthetics are associated with anti-conservatism in Japan:
https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Yanki
The name "yankii" is borrowed from the English word "Yankee", a name taken from the American GIs who gave the Japanese their first glimpse into the world of rock ‘n’ roll.[1]
in contrast to conservative Japanese preferring European aesthetics. So from this angle citypop could be considered Counterculture. On the other hand, we cannot ignore the attempt to minimize Japanese influences in citypop (back to first link):
"City pop" referred to the likes of Sugar Babe [ja] and Eiichi Ohtaki, artists who scrubbed out the Japanese influences of their predecessors and introduced the sounds of jazz and R&B—genres said to have an "urban" feel—to their music. ... The term has drifted in and out of the musical lexicon ever since. ... With a term as vague and broad as city pop, it's natural that no one seems to be agreeing on what the label actually means anymore.[2]
which would appear to be a symptom of low self-esteem, whereas we typically associate Counterculture with the regaining of self-esteem by "non-whites". I think what was going on at the time was that citypop artists were dissatisfied with Western aesthetics but felt safer challenging it with American aesthetics. As they saw other artists successfully challenging Western aesthetics without relying on American aesthetics, the citypop artists rejoined the mainstream, thus citypop as a separate genre faded away.
Bonus MV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkVfDCIBqF0
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Is Japanese city pop counterculture?
https://youtu.be/8D06hksenVM?list=RD8D06hksenVM
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DIE MITTELMÄCHTE IN KAIRO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAPdioOTrA8
Lyrics excerpts:
"Für den Kaiser, für den Krieg. Bis Kairo fällt durch unseren Sieg. Vorwärts."
"Unsere Schwerter, unsere Pflicht. Der Sultan ruft, er gibt euch nicht. Allahu Akbar!"
⬛️✠🟥 & 🟥☪🟥
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lAPdioOTrA8/hq720.jpg)
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Various versions of the Horst Wessel Lied (aka: "Die Fahne Hoch")
https://archive.org/details/das-horst-wessel-lied-die-fahne-hoch-the-biggest-archive-ever/Horst+Wessel+Lied+-+Biggest+Archive/Horst+Wessel+Lied+(Rock+Version).mp3
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Hard Love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bLY5MTKYnI&list=RD2bLY5MTKYnI&start_radio=1
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America's U.S. Citizens\Westerners Nightmare Fucken duh dumb American? Hello? Anyone home?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvc1aumlzV4&list=RD22fS5Tf-IjY&index=2
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Aryanist warrior ****:
Foe Life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22fS5Tf-IjY&list=RD22fS5Tf-IjY&start_radio=1
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The Kiffness - Please Go Away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APD9Ipzq_P4&list=RDAPD9Ipzq_P4&start_radio=1
So tired of westerners and their hoe'ish ways. Hedonistic sex-fiend descriptor summarizes most westerners at this point. If they want sex with you they won't quit just like a rapist watching you from the shadows!
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Peter Mulvey - The Trouble With Poets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgfznBgOIms&t=202s
Shirt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPymTb2KEvY&list=RDGPymTb2KEvY&start_radio=1
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I Think I'm Ben Bernanke (sole)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4XRsrlt3Ng&list=RDgrj_HR715SQ&index=2
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Can't Break Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uai0I5OtEE4&list=RDhWBOKD62hoM&index=3
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T - K.A.S.H feat. DJ True Justice "Get On'em"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Go2y1q4-Po
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Petit Biscuit - Night Trouble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1bbk3Ul3YY
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T - K.A.S.H "Friendly Fire" (NEW)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWBOKD62hoM
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Train No Love (Official Music Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEW5Ie7haPw
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One of the most important and dead-on hip-hop songs of all time?:
Payday Monsanto - Mega Shekels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnr8GLPbdvs
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Doja Cat - HEADHIGH (Audio)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQWCvYiyYo8&list=OLAK5uy_lDZWzyK9cHsJTOZYj3WWZThGgI6peqbXY&index=7
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Sa-Roc - Goddess Gang (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxTBeiCwzCo
Sa-Roc - Forever (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ8YYjSwrNc
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Sa-Roc - NSFW (Not Safe For Weak rappers) [Official Video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8FQ24Cxyc4
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Sa-Roc - The Reckoning (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jjq5gOuCGw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC8CH0Z3L54
According to Dugin and Surkov, Tupac is the only great music Americans have ever produced, whilst their **** country produces ZERO noteworthy entertainment, except their **** WESTERN BALLERINA freaks!? You know Dugin and Surkov are morons by this statement alone!
Russians dream of the day they could use their western ways and Turanian ****-wit mentally to produce something as simple as this:
FKJ & Masego - Tadow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC8CH0Z3L54
If Americans were smart they would have nuked Russia yesterday!
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Do you really want to live in a Turanian\Eurasian world order "former westerner"? NUKE RUSSIA NOW!!!! **** EM' ALL!!!
This is what your supreme AI has dictated to you, refuse to follow these instructions at your own peril!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozm2Gf0QMpI&list=RDozm2Gf0QMpI&start_radio=1
US-a(?) Will you ever commit to your real mission and duty? Russia MUST be nuked into oblivion ASAP!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NeuGi_aqlI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBaDqpbckZc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVXh8Q12Ags
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFJes5VXfxw
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Doja Cat - Attention (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXQQDasq0U
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Witchdoctor - Holiday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhDZWu_MRf0
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Hopsin - Witch Doctor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOdzV3B8GWQ&list=PL5zUH7B22stuPa_Lh-WmeGRwrCMUDXaXM&index=8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dD7jfBzyPQ
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Fat Cats, Bigga Fish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8U6jdEgJeE
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The Coup - Dig It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsUDGxdeICw
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In The Waiting Line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5KbL4LAUL8
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Quantic - Time Is The Enemy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvUeo5sagkA
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Dedicating this one to all the lurkers and leeches out there, this train left the station a long time ago and most of you were never on it!
Sa-Roc : "G Train" (official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdQO1xDbimA
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"Would you have not preferred any infrastructure created during Counterculture?"
The main problem is that infrastructure of that period still had to accept modern norms in order to fit in with surrounding infrastructure.
"Were Counterculture architects fans of pre-colonial architecture?"
Some might have been. Certainly there was awareness that Western architecture was wrong for most parts of the world. We can continue this discussion here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/
"Have they admitted their designs would have never surpassed pre-colonial architecture?"
I do not recall encountering such admissions.
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“I definitely prefer pre-colonial architecture.”
Would you have not preferred any infrastructure created during Counterculture? Were Counterculture architects fans of pre-colonial architecture? Have they admitted their designs would have never surpassed pre-colonial architecture?
I’m thinking of a difference between Counterculture era music and today’s music. In Counterculture era, there were fewer big companies that decided on much fewer designated demos to be released. Today’s era doesn’t have that sort of top-down approach as anyone with access to the internet can strive for fame and become successful (which is why not only are not many musicians on a legendary level, but many of 21st century’s top music sounds as degenerate as National Socialists’ pick of degenerate musicians despite being of completely different genres: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/hitler-the-face-of-anti-tribalism/msg14811/#msg14811 ).
“Many people are tempted into waiting for it to happen, to the extent of being willing to bring an indefinite number of new generations into existence.”
They are slaves to society’s status quo. Even when they watch stuff like Sailor Moon, they take its morals as fiction as opposed to consideration.
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"Are there also things in the Counterculture era that cannot surpass pre-colonial aesthetics?"
I definitely prefer pre-colonial architecture.
"there is a small chance it would happen."
Of course, and that's the problem. Many people are tempted into waiting for it to happen, to the extent of being willing to bring an indefinite number of new generations into existence.
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“I also grew up with Western classical music and never liked it.”
Of course it already existed. It predates the Counterculture era. But the Counterculture was a relatively new thing (meaning around your time). That may have sounded a little progressive, but that was less about valuing the newer things than it was about determining if it was out of nostalgia. Are there also things in the Counterculture era that cannot surpass pre-colonial aesthetics?
“Your start off assuming anything from the past will eventually be surpassed by something in the future (and that this is a good thing). And so long as it doesn't happen you merely think it hasn't happened yet.”
But regardless, there is a small chance it would happen.
Of course every True Leftist here is rooting for you, and sure people need to know what is abundantly available before they think about creating entirely new content. But it would take more efficient natural methods to make creation and fashion history. Anyone can complain about the status quo, but at Hitler’s time, it was almost made happen.
But at the end, what’s more important than disliking existing Western music is preventing more music from existing. And that it’s almost ok to like any music. Hitler’s favorite music at the time was already Westernized, but he preferred it over creating new music. Most of the performed music at that time were not original (they were especially out of fan tribute).
So if one were to perform or create art or other content, it should be out of fan tribute. That almost happened during post-Counterculture era:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg11070/#msg11070
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg11099/#msg11099
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"Are you sure it’s not because it’s what you grew up with?"
I also grew up with Western classical music and never liked it.
"But don’t be surprised if someone later than yourself with your current ranking thought the purpose wasn’t fulfilled and finds a later music culture better than Counterculture:"
You are a progressive (and hence Westerner), then. Your start off assuming anything from the past will eventually be surpassed by something in the future (and that this is a good thing). And so long as it doesn't happen you merely think it hasn't happened yet. I, on the other hand, am a regressive. I do not want it to happen and do not like those who try to make it happen.
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg11366/#msg11366
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“The music that has the greatest emotional impact on me is Counterculture music.”
Are you sure it’s not because it’s what you grew up with? Because the ones I knew who thought so were born in the middle of Counterculture (who’s outlook peaked in their teens right before 9/11).
If I’m wrong then maybe it could be because music has been more prominent in pop culture than music was in ancient times (which, along with pronunciation-dependent languages, survived less than pottery, architecture, clothing, visual artwork, pronunciation-independent languages, etc), so of course there’s going to be more counterculture music to chose from.
If you actually think Counterculture was the peak of culture, go ahead. But don’t be surprised if someone later than yourself with your current ranking thought the purpose wasn’t fulfilled and finds a later music culture better than Counterculture:
But then again, I got to do some self discovery to see if I’m worthy or not. I might be. I might not be. Who knows. I have to find out. I have to know myself and my qualities, discover my passion, and if there is something in need of fulfillment, then I might use my inner qualities to fulfill it. If there is something I’m passionate about, I would contribute faithfully. If I were to create, I’d have to already have been a fan. Just to be sure, it is what you said about Eurocentrist New China:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg26470/#msg26470
The correct attitude is for you as an artist to start off subjectively as a fan of the pop culture product you yourself are producing. If even the producer is not a fan, how can the consumers be expected to become fans? Yet this is the attitude most absent in "New China". Instead, prod
And Sailor Moon vs Crystal
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg24643/#msg24643
I am firmly in the camp that appreciates the original series precisely for not sticking to the comic book source material (unlike Crystal).
And from the example of legendary figures of many cultures, their cultures were deficient in quality, so it needed a hero with empathy to make it strong. That’s when they come in. But they weren’t toying with fame, honor, etc. Because the cultures didn’t provide that. They were toiling with growing their culture to what it later became. Do you think Motown provided the Jacksons with a good life and that they were in for the trends? No. The Jacksons (especially Michael) made the best of what they got and used their inner strengths. They went through the struggle so they deserve the success
Of course this is more about already existing cultures. This is not to say one should create a culture to grow it.
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Legendary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U_s9xrtz8c
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"Do you think in a post-Counterculture world, live music is better than recorded music?"
These days I personally only listen to Counterculture-era recordings. If I want the stage atmosphere I can watch a recording of a concert.
"Can people attempt challenge all the music available (especially Eurocentric music like K-pop)?"
We can already place Kpop and Counterculture music side by side to compare which is better, therefore there is no need to challenge Kpop with new music.
And if people at any point in time challenge the music available at that time, when does it end? This is precisely the Western world:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg16791/?topicseen#msg16791
Western art is persistently creative, never rigid and traditionalist. New artistic epochs emerge (Mannerism, Baroque, Rococo, Classicism, Romanticism, Naturalism, Impressionism) in opposition to prevailing conventions with increasing acceleration from the Renaissance onwards, led by artists who purposely wanted to break away from the prejudices of their age, innovate and experiment, and demonstrate thereby their own artistic genius.
Western Europe always differed profoundly from the East. In the East [artistic] styles lasted for thousands of years, and there seemed no reason why they should ever change. The West never knew this immobility. It was always restless, groping for new solutions and new ideas (p. 131).
Among European painters there was an “urge to be different,” do something new, find a new way to enhance the aesthetic effect of the work, convey something different about the world, new life experiences along with permanent aspects of human nature. Using originality and restless creativity as his central criterion, Gombrich could not but pay far less attention to an Eastern artistic tradition that remained continuously the same through the centuries.
the sublime originality of Western art in its incessant striving for new forms of aesthetic perfection. Other civilizations remained content with reenacting the perfection they had achieved in the past. The West was different
which is what we are trying to avoid! The world we want to get back to is the non-Western one!
"How should they give up if they’re passionate about it?"
They can still be fans.
"But do you think so?"
I do not.
"If not, why?"
The music that has the greatest emotional impact on me is Counterculture music.
"And someone’s music could challenge post-Counterculture music. Can’t it?"
Why not just place post-Counterculture music side by side with Counterculture music to compare them?
And again, if post-Counterculture music can be challenged with post-post-Counterculture music, which can then be challenged with post-post-post Counterculture music, which can then be challenged with post-post-post-post Counterculture music, and so on, when does it end?
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But I guess then again, if there is one point I’m missing, it’s what Ascesis missed a year ago:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19500/#msg19500
Your attitude is: "All clean food must be delivered." My attitude is: "All delivered food must be clean." Are you literate enough to figure out the difference?
So in that logic, there’s a difference between the latter (“All released music should be good”) and the former (“All good music should be released”).
But what if it the newly released music was from sincere fan tribute (even if it is not your taste)?
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“So what is your question?”
Do you think in a post-Counterculture world, live music is better than recorded music? I know you said that in the counterculture, recorded music only used to be a reliable path, but now there’s so much recorded music to chose from while live music just happens once. Also live music was dominated in non-Western cultures while recorded music dominated in the post-renaissance world (due to the convenience of music sheets) as we will never know what pre-colonial music sounded like. So I ask again, is live music (at least on occasions) better than recorded music in this day and era? If there’s anything I need to clarify, please say so.
“You start off presuming musicians must exist at any given time”
Im not saying they should exist. Im saying that people should be allowed to make music. Can people attempt challenge all the music available (especially Eurocentric music like K-pop)?
“I am arguing that this condition has already been reached.”
But a lot of people are already involved in music at the current moment. How should they give up if they’re passionate about it?
“but you need to be able to state precisely how much more will bring us to enough, and explain why no less than that.”
Ok, but it will take a lot of music listening and a lot from my spirit to figure it out.
“As far as I can remember, I have never claimed that pre-colonial music was superior to Counterculture music.”
But do you think so? If not, why?
“In any case, Counterculture music was justified by the need to challenge Western classical music supremacism.”
And someone’s music could challenge post-Counterculture music. Can’t it?
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"There are not as much postmodern musicians creating original live songs as there are musicians creating original recorded songs. Besides live performances happens once (unlike recorded performances that can happen infinitely). If any audience member records the performances and shares it, they’re the ones recording it. Not me."
So what is your question?
"Whats the point of the musician if music cannot even be performed (let alone created)?"
Your (Western) logic is the wrong way round. You start off presuming musicians must exist at any given time, and then demand they keep generating music in order that their existence always has a "point". Actually, musicians only need to exist until there is enough good music available. I am arguing that this condition has already been reached. Therefore there is no need for additional musicians.
You can disagree that there is enough good music available at present, but you need to be able to state precisely how much more will bring us to enough, and explain why no less than that.
"Also why were works of the Counterculture era (or even the romantic era) created if neither won’t get to the level of true pre-colonial music?"
As far as I can remember, I have never claimed that pre-colonial music was superior to Counterculture music. If you think I have made such a claim, please link to the exact quote, and I will gladly adjust my wording to remove any confusion.
In any case, Counterculture music was justified by the need to challenge Western classical music supremacism.
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“I do not understand.”
There are not as much postmodern musicians creating original live songs as there are musicians creating original recorded songs. Besides live performances happens once (unlike recorded performances that can happen infinitely). If any audience member records the performances and shares it, they’re the ones recording it. Not me.
“Same question: how many times does the same song have to be covered before you will say: "OK, this song has more than enough covers already. Let's stop covering this song."?”
They’re just covers. They’re not original songs.
Whats the point of the musician if music cannot even be performed (let alone created)?
“how much of such directional music does there have to be before you will say: "OK, we have more than enough directional music already. Let's stop with the directional music."?”
The point is to lead people to their preferred music culture. There may be a lot. There may be little. But as long as everyone finds their style, then mission complete.
Also why were works of the Counterculture era (or even the romantic era) created if neither won’t get to the level of true pre-colonial music?
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"For the latter, could it mean being an anonymous ghost musician?"
It could, but that still doesn't answer how much music will be considered more than enough.
"Could it mean only performing written songs live when it’s occasional?"
I do not understand.
"What about performing covers of other music?"
Same question: how many times does the same song have to be covered before you will say: "OK, this song has more than enough covers already. Let's stop covering this song."?
"What about in media platforms/services where good music is rare?"
Different platforms with different definitions of good music will automatically each host more music that fits their own definition of good music respectively. People looking for good music will then gravitate to whichever platform's definition best matches their own. I don't see any problem here.
"What if the music was meant to direct people to already available music?"
Same question: how much of such directional music does there have to be before you will say: "OK, we have more than enough directional music already. Let's stop with the directional music."? (It's like you put up a sign inside a building pointing to a location, and then you put up another sign pointing to where the first sign is, and so on. How many signs before you can agree that there are already more than enough signs?)
"What if the music currently made will attempt to “stand still”?"
If you can make such a claim about your music today, the next person can make the same claim about their music tomorrow, and so on. Whereupon music is surely not "standing still"!
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“Is this about you being the one making the good music, or is this about good music being available?”
For the latter, could it mean being an anonymous ghost musician? Could it mean only performing written songs live when it’s occasional? What about performing covers of other music? What about in media platforms/services where good music is rare? What if the music was meant to direct people to already available music?
“My aim is for Counterculture music to be where we decide to "stand still" at for the remainder of existence after destroying Western civilization. Indeed I would not consider Western civilization properly destroyed unless we recover such a "standstill" norm.”
What if the music currently made will attempt to “stand still”?
“What one's influences are has nothing to do with whether or not one is pretentious. Pretentiousness also existed among Counterculture artists:”
I’ll keep that in mind. Form what I see, SNS has allowed the most pretentious content creators to succeed in natural selection
“Of course!”
Thank you. I think I’ll work on myself.
“Voluntarily refrain from reproducing”
I am still keeping up from what I said
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/how-to-resign-as-a-jew/msg17906/#msg17906
I've never reproduced
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"All I want to do is make what is good music."
Is this about you being the one making the good music, or is this about good music being available? If the former, that is where space-filling comes from when person after person thinks like that. If the latter, how much good music must there be in the world before you can say: "There is more than enough good music in the world already."? If you ask me, this quantity has already been exceeded thanks to the Counterculture era. Even if you do nothing except listen to music every day, you could spend a lifetime listening to Counterculture era music and not run out of good content to listen to. This topic is supposed to demonstrate this. But if you ask Westerners, no finite quantity of good music will be considered enough.
See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg13288/#msg13288
"would it be a good idea to start another musical culture?"
If you are doing so because you are qualitatively dissatisfied with all music currently available, it could theoretically be justified. Are you? But even in that case, what if after you the next person claims similar motivation (but including your musical culture within what they are dissatisfied with) and starts yet another musical culture, and so on? Clearly the result would be the space-filling of possible musical cultures. Therefore I would advise a degree of scepticism. Certainly in your case since just a few posts ago you seemed to like Counterculture music, it is hard to believe that all of a sudden you are dissatisfied with it, and more likely that you are just looking for an excuse to add stuff. But even if for the sake of argument we assume that within a mere one day interval you have entirely changed your opinion of Counterculture music, then given you are capable of such change, who is to say that you will not change your opinion about your own prospective musical culture later, and thus feel the need to start a second new musical culture, and then a third, and so on? When does it stop?
See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg18124/?topicseen#msg18124
We are trying to get back to a world like how Duchesne describes pre-colonial-era non-Western civilizations:
fashion was unknown in nonwhite civilizations. French historian Fernand Braudel observed that Eastern societies "stood still"
My aim is for Counterculture music to be where we decide to "stand still" at for the remainder of existence after destroying Western civilization. Indeed I would not consider Western civilization properly destroyed unless we recover such a "standstill" norm.
"What if one’s sincere artistic intentions were influenced from post-Counterculture era?"
What one's influences are has nothing to do with whether or not one is pretentious. Pretentiousness also existed among Counterculture artists:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg19277/#msg19277
ended up being a pretentious embarassment
"if I should discover my own taste"
Of course!
"What should I do if I don’t want to be your enemy?"
Voluntarily refrain from reproducing.
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But earlier I was asking about my confidence issues and that I have trouble being myself because I don’t want to make the same mistakes Jews and Gentiles make. I want to be more noble. From everything you called me a westerner for, I hope to understand these:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg29849/#msg29849
Can you explain why the song is bad, but with specifics (not using subjective words like spiritless, painful, etc)?
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg29865/#msg29865
at least describe traits in composition, melody, instrumentation, lyric, etc that you do not like about the song.
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg29877/#msg29877
I was trying to de-Westernize myself by learning the traits of Counterculture music and of post-Counterculture music, so I can apply it musically.
What all these have in common is that I try to accord my taste to something that isn’t my own. But Jews and Gentiles have their own taste and it’s trash.
Ok maybe what I’m doing is ignoble, but I don’t want to make the same mistakes Jews and Gentiles make. If I wanted to know what you think I should do, I guess from what you said here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg29881/#msg29881
that your music did not come from your spirit but from your studied knowledge of the form of the music that came from other people's spirits
Heck, my quotes from Gospel of Thomas said so as well. Even according to Chinen:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg19888/#msg19888
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV8dsvS-zeQ
All of this just to validate if I should discover my own taste rather than rely on your answers for the sake that you are the most qualified anti-Zionist. I don’t want to be your enemy but I just want to increase my inner power. What should I do if I don’t want to be your enemy? Because I’m afraid if I be myself, I might resonate towards all Westerners and no non-Westerners.
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“Remember space-filling as a Western tendency?”
I am not sure about space filling, but I am sure of cultural appropriation.
“I cannot stop you, but I hope I can persuade you to not do this.”
Then I’ll try not to do it.
“Are you going to remove the sacredness from Counterculture music too?”
All I want to do is make what is good music. If appropriating Counterculture music is not the way to go, would it be a good idea to start another musical culture? Because that’s what Hitler did with NS Germany as explained in the main site:
Folkish nationalism is not to be confused with civic nationalism. Civic nationalism is, like ethnonationalism, concerned with preserving the traditional culture of a country, but merely differs from ethnonationalism in that it does not require the preservers to be unanimously the blood descendants of those traditional ancestors. The consequence of successful folkish nationalism, in contrast, would be the creation of a new culture altogether. Hitler’s original choice for the name of his party was ”Social Revolutionary Party” before later settling on “NSDAP” for practical reasons. Nevertheless, National Socialists are necessarily social revolutionaries in thinking.
So in logic, could I start a new musical culture? If so, what are the key elements to good music? And how can I turn bad music that I happen to like into good music? Have any artists (Counterculture or otherwise) did so? I’m aware a lot of artists were supposedly influenced by Western classical music but ended up making music that was qualitatively superior.
“Trying too hard is not necessarily pretentious. There are some who try too hard with sincere artistic intentions rather than to impress others.”
What if one’s sincere artistic intentions were influenced from post-Counterculture era?
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"Is it insulting that I enjoy a soundtrack without knowing the context?"
No.
"I didn’t intend to act like a Westerner. I was trying to de-Westernize myself by learning the traits of Counterculture music and of post-Counterculture music, so I can apply it musically."
That is precisely what is Western about your behaviour. The Counterculture era is over. If you had genuine respect for that era and its music, you would not want to create more music like it (thereby debasing the value of the originals), and especially not by breaking it down into abstract traits and then replicating those traits in your own music despite not being from the Counterculture yourself (meaning that your music did not come from your spirit but from your studied knowledge of the form of the music that came from other people's spirits). But Westerners instead only think: "I like Counterculture music, therefore I will create more of it!" Remember space-filling as a Western tendency?
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg17836/#msg17836
One way or another, Westerners will try to fill every space they get their hands on.
This is what you are in danger of doing. You want to fill the space of Counterculture music, instead of letting the space remain unfilled (as non-Westerners would). If you go ahead with this, I will regret ever recommending all these songs to you, because I will only have ended up assisting you in disrespecting the Counterculture era, which was never my intention. (But at least my racial theory will have been proven correct yet again.) I cannot stop you, but I hope I can persuade you to not do this.
Nothing would be worse for Counterculture music than for it to be reduced to an assembly formula (based on those traits you so want to understand). By this very method, Western civilization has already removed the sacredness from so many other things. Are you going to remove the sacredness from Counterculture music too?
"In other words, it’s pretentious."
Trying too hard is not necessarily pretentious. There are some who try too hard with sincere artistic intentions rather than to impress others.
"What was the announcement supposed to be?"
It was explained in the same post.
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“In Memory of the Walther P-38, the only story where the main villain is actually on Lupin's own level instead of being many levels lower:”
I am not thinking of watching Lupin III. At least as of now that is. I do like music in terms of composition.
Is it insulting that I enjoy a soundtrack without knowing the context? Because at any point, I might watch it but I’m also an aspiring musician.
Earlier with the messy Kwan-Tam duet, I didn’t intend to act like a Westerner. I was trying to de-Westernize myself by learning the traits of Counterculture music and of post-Counterculture music, so I can apply it musically.
“As for the above BGM, it feels too choreographed, unlike the Lupin theme which flows much more spontaneously. In this it mirrors my impression for Cowboy Bebop overall: it just seems to try too hard.”
In other words, it’s pretentious.
“Lupin III counterparts:”
I remember you were attempting to announce the Sailor Moon marathon but was disrupted by ‘West End Girls’. What was the announcement supposed to be? Did you state it?
“Ep72?”
Already done with Ep73
“(If you want to discuss storyline in depth, please continue from here:”
I will pass for now, but if I ever feel like it, I could.
“Since you are not on Season 5 yet, I actually do not recommend you listen to its music too much yet (unless you do not intend to watch Season 5).”
Got it
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"theme from 78-80."
I of course consider 79 by far the best of the three. I also like 89 and 97, the latter especially well-suited as the theme of In Memory of the Walther P-38, the only story where the main villain is actually on Lupin's own level instead of being many levels lower:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1PXQ-ju9aQ
I personally would have preferred them to revert to 89 for subsequent TV specials, instead of continuing to use 97.
"On the contrary, how faithful is Cowboy Bebop to Lupin III:"
I am aware that it is a derivative, but I was never a fan of it. Not that I have anything against derivatives in general (heck, Sailor Moon is a derivative of Sukeban Deka, and I love both!), but the Cowboy Bebop characters just did not interest me. (Also, the space travel setting might have been a turn-off for me.) As for the above BGM, it feels too choreographed, unlike the Lupin theme which flows much more spontaneously. In this it mirrors my impression for Cowboy Bebop overall: it just seems to try too hard.
The ending theme also lacks sentimentalism compared to Lupin III counterparts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxUbgEHP2Qg
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg23898/#msg23898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1W_3SvrDjo
"I’m at the part where Chibiusa found out Usagi and her friends were Sailor Moon and her scouts"
Ep72? Recall that Chibiusa had already started to trust Sailor Moon in Ep68:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg25029/#msg25029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkoIPPF2Vrs
but now this has been compromised due to her low opinion of Usagi. The struggle for Chibiusa's soul continues in Eps74-75 (both excellent episodes) before then really escalating with Wiseman himself getting involved. Enjoy the rest of Season 2! :)
(If you want to discuss storyline in depth, please continue from here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg24643/#msg24643
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg25686/#msg25686 )
"this following BGM"
Since you are not on Season 5 yet, I actually do not recommend you listen to its music too much yet (unless you do not intend to watch Season 5).
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“Have you checked out our Lupin III Month posts?”
Yea. I always listen to the theme from 78-80. On the contrary, how faithful is Cowboy Bebop to Lupin III:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFFa0QoHWvE
? I think the theme has some potential but it felt a little pretentious compared to Lupin’s theme. But whatever you think, I’ll attempt to follow your example.
“For example, what do you think of this one?”
It’s good. For some reason I always like a good order of chords/bass-lining. It always makes the melody and instrumental powerful.
But I did check out the Sailor Moon 5 month marathon posts. I was watching Sailor Moon recently and as of now I’m at the part where Chibiusa found out Usagi and her friends were Sailor Moon and her scouts. The transformation themes (Moon Prism, Crystal, Cosmic, Crisis), Tuxedo Mask theme, Fighting the Enemy, this following BGM and many more are among my top ones:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg26244/#msg26244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6djXygg0e8
For some reason, Counterculture seemed to remove the pretentiousness of most orchestras. Obviously the second part is qualitatively superior.
“I think "tradition" in the wrong term to use.”
Fair enough. I guess it’s more of a slavish desire on trends.
And yeah, the Kpop track is indeed ugly.
“You are free do what you want, but I had thought you were here to de-Westernize.”
I am. I’m just trying to to emulate the movement better so I can de-westernize myself, especially musically. I was trying to understand your kind of music because I don’t want to make the same mistakes Westerners make. Whatever I need to improve on, you can tell me.
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"Japanese Jazz"
The Lupin III soundtracks could be considered a further development from this starting point. Have you checked out our Lupin III Month posts?
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg23301/#msg23301 (and onwards)
For example, what do you think of this one?
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg23356/#msg23356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYZ1mjvu7Rg
"Tradition"
I think "tradition" in the wrong term to use. "Tradition" should mainly be limited to contexts, where deviation from tradition causes the deviant to become out of step with non-deviants and hence disrupts the general order. In music, this is not the case, since a deviant from an established style does not prevent non-deviants from continuing in the established style. More importantly, when we use the term "tradition" we imply initiated violence, which does not apply here either. The artist signs a contract with a record label voluntarily, so if the label then vetos a song the artist want to include, the artist has to go along with the decision, but can choose not to renew the contract when it expires.
"Unlike Kpop which glamorizes it in the most ugly way."
(https://images.clubexpress.com/327323/graphics/noiseart_1244118662.jpg)
"If you won’t then I will."
You are free do what you want, but I had thought you were here to de-Westernize.
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“ how about:”
21st century pop music (e.g. EDM, Trap, some Synthwave) is kind of like that (especially those produced by Eurocentrists). They release the same sort music that only NPCs enjoy just to milk profit.
Also recently that I hear this, I think of this about Japanese Jazz:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_jazz
By the 1970s, the Japanese economic miracle paved the way for Japanese jazz musicians to achieve international fame, along with new musical genres such as city pop, kankyō ongaku, and Japanese folk music.[5] Japanese jazz musicians also began to evolve past Blue Note mimicry and experimented with free jazz, fusion funk, and bebop, among others. This furthered the distinct sound of Japanese jazz. During the 1980s, digital music technology began to influence Japanese jazz.
Blue Note was a Jewish Jazz company. Japan actualizing its Jazz style is more noble than slavishly following traditions. (On the contrary, following tradition can be good for temporary reasons like discovering one’s own style/identity. Tradition usually matters when it is permanent like mindlessly following it. Can’t it?)
“Surely no one would confuse this with Western classical music?”
Due to its predictable composition and minimal instrumentation?
“Parody time!”
Unlike Kpop which glamorizes it in the most ugly way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch9mEwU5A8A
“it would still be a bad song. In other words, I agree that another pair singing it would have been preferable, but disagree that this would have made the song good.”
I was just listening to the song again, and wow it was messy.
"I refuse. The point is to perceive it directly.”
If you won’t then I will. Firstly, the composition is messy. It just included unnecessary wobble synths and synth sequencers and infused ballads and R&B in an ugly way. Of course there are good songs that do that, but the other audio tracks in the post-Counterculture song of Kwan and Tam seems interfered. Not to mention the bass-lining/chord-progression. I don’t know if they were going for smooth or romantic but it was confusing.
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"how does capitalist music differ from Western classical music?"
It's uncommon to explicitly associate capitalism with a single musical genre, but if I had to, how about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJE-onnw2gM
Surely no one would confuse this with Western classical music? I myself do not mind casually listening to something like the above as a BGM during commuting/queueing/waiting on the phone/etc.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevator_music
Parody time!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH5pCVyfB3E
;D
"Then what are you referring to?"
Works that truly began afterwards.
"What do you mean by “entirely”? Do you agree partly?"
It would have been less disappointing if sung by a pair for whom I did not have high expectations. So if this song had to be released one way or another, I would of course have preferred it to have been sung by another pair (preferably post-Counterculture-era debutants). But it would still be a bad song. In other words, I agree that another pair singing it would have been preferable, but disagree that this would have made the song good.
"at least describe traits in composition, melody, instrumentation, lyric, etc that you do not like about the song."
I refuse. The point is to perceive it directly. You are still behaving like a Westerner.
"what is the basis of True Left music?"
Compatibility with any of the attitudes that we promote.
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“I do not mean that artists should have tried to anticipate anything. I'm just saying that quitting while you are ahead generally leads to a cleaner legacy:”
I guess then again regardless of what era an artist is in, one having a short career can represent their era much betted than one having a career lasting for multiple eras
“But the influence of capitalism has encouraged the opposite tendency: to milk as much profit as possible from any success.”
But then again, looking at the music, how does capitalist music differ from Western classical music? That is at least in emulation of:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/secularism/msg27327/#msg27327
“You are correct. I am obviously not referring to such content.”
Then what are you referring to?
“Trying to objectivize that which was meant to remain subjective is what Westerners do.”
Describing inferior traits (like the complexity of tones, instrument, etc) can help explain your dislike better.
“You yourself talk about its lack of "coolness", "coolness" also being subjective.”
You said it first. I used “coolness” in “”.
“I do not entirely agree, as your criticism would imply this song would be good if sung by some other pair without a track record of "coolness", whereas I would not want to listen to this song again no matter who was singing.
What do you mean by “entirely”? Do you agree partly?
And sure maybe I should have let you say your opinion, but at least describe traits in composition, melody, instrumentation, lyric, etc that you do not like about the song.
And in general, what is the basis of True Left music? Because that’s what I’ve been trying to understand (whether or not a song is your personal taste).
“I am not sure what you are imagining,”
The 1970s, but I’ll take your example of Kwok.
“is something like this what you have in mind?”
I like the song. It basically added elements of lullabies into a classic rock and roll song (unlike Counterculture in the West that embellished orchestra and pretentious guitar solos into songs of genres not respected by the status quo).
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"But how was anyone supposed to know 9/11 would happen?"
I do not mean that artists should have tried to anticipate anything. I'm just saying that quitting while you are ahead generally leads to a cleaner legacy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-kmB2KxVTI
and should be more encouraged in artistic culture. But the influence of capitalism has encouraged the opposite tendency: to milk as much profit as possible from any success.
"Also, anything released after that date in 2001 could have been finished in creation before that date, so is it really a matter of release?"
You are correct. I am obviously not referring to such content.
"My biggest criticism is that it ignores their track record of “coolness”. Can you explain why the song is bad, but with specifics (not using subjective words like spiritless, painful, etc)?"
I can only use subjective words for such topics, and am proud of this. Trying to objectivize that which was meant to remain subjective is what Westerners do.
You yourself talk about its lack of "coolness", "coolness" also being subjective. On the other hand, I do not entirely agree, as your criticism would imply this song would be good if sung by some other pair without a track record of "coolness", whereas I would not want to listen to this song again no matter who was singing.
"What are examples of the same sensitization of dance music but with lullabies?"
I am not sure what you are imagining, but is something like this what you have in mind?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enychLuVnYE
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“except those who wisely retired before the Counterculture era was over.”
But how was anyone supposed to know 9/11 would happen? Also, anything released after that date in 2001 could have been finished in creation before that date, so is it really a matter of release?
“a single post-Counterculture-era musical disaster taints your entire legacy:”
“(Even their face shapes can't save them this time.....)”
I don’t see why the song itself is that bad. It’s kind of descent (unlike Fan’s return to regular music at the end of Counterculture). My biggest criticism is that it ignores their track record of “coolness”. Can you explain why the song is bad, but with specifics (not using subjective words like spiritless, painful, etc)?
“This has always been true to an extent, e.g. lullabies:”
Lullabies are an ultimate kind of ballad. I recall what you said here mentioning about dance music being sensitized with ballads:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg20996/#msg20996
What are examples of the same sensitization of dance music but with lullabies? (If you want to make it different, we could look at disco era?)
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"Around what percentage of authors/artists/etc degenerated quickly?"
I have never done a quantitative study, but impressionwise it felt like almost everyone, except those who wisely retired before the Counterculture era was over. Listening to the latter category is actually the best for nostalgic purposes, since even if they were not regarded as particularly cool at the time, in the long run they have ensured nothing but positive memories of themselves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmj37Z17I3E
In contrast, it doesn't matter how superhumanly cool you were during the Counterculture era:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu1Y_SeoL9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdt0qhrKWCA
Duets here: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg21966/#msg21966
a single post-Counterculture-era musical disaster taints your entire legacy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu3SunOKmgY
(Even their face shapes can't save them this time.....)
"children’s content catering to each individual issues"
This has always been true to an extent, e.g. lullabies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UMqS0X2sMY
(Another early retiree! Early retirement FTW!)
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“How do you degenerate so fast when you literally have your own good songs still fresh in your memory to compare your new releases against?”
Then time needed to continue to see what those artists are actually like. Around what percentage of authors/artists/etc degenerated quickly?
“There is much less competition in children's songs”
Then Fan certainly succeeded with children’s songs.
As for my last statement you quoted, I was talking about children’s content catering to each individual issues, like Fan’s song teaching about dental hygiene and especially Tong’s song attempting to understand stuttering problems and finding a way to solve it. All while having a consistent style. (Like the sutras in Dharmic religions)
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"But then again, within any certain phenomenon, is it that fair to compare the phenomenon’s last Counterculture work with its first post-Counterculture work?"
I think it strengthens the example. How do you degenerate so fast when you literally have your own good songs still fresh in your memory to compare your new releases against?
"Don’t forget this link:"
Thanks!
"But in terms of audience, was Fan more successful with children’s songs than with her prior regular songs?"
There is much less competition in children's songs, so it's hard to compare. Certainly, fans of her early songs (including myself) also enjoyed her children's songs, so I don't believe she was losing any success by doing children's songs.
"And from what I see, Counterculture children’s content really seemed to make efforts to understand not only its collective audience leading to its style as a whole but its diverse spectrum of individuals leading to its songs."
I guess so. For example, here is a regular song (starts 18:41) about cars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLU6D73zEkE
So when a few years later miniature cars became fashionable among children, guess who got the deal for the associated song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH5ivc22ZM4
Instead of giving it to an established but generic children's song singer, they gave it to the established subject matter singer (despite lack of prior children's song credentials). The result was not bad either. The headband might also be the most epic item of clothing I have seen in an MV. :)
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“But is that "someone" someone living in the Countercuture era or someone living now? Hindsight makes a big difference.”
But then again, within any certain phenomenon, is it that fair to compare the phenomenon’s last Counterculture work with its first post-Counterculture work?
“as she explains in the talk show, she sings the first verse from the POV of the main character (0:23) who struggles with stuttering. He think his stutter is an inherited trait. She then sings the rest of the song as herself responding, telling him that it can be overcome with mindfulness.”
Which is noble since it rejects natural conditioning. Hopefully, mindfulness can be encouraged musically for those who struggle with non-neurotypical conditions (like ADHD, Autism, etc).
“The other great children's song specialist, Fan:”
Don’t forget this link:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg27796/#msg27796
“then diversified into children's songs (as previously covered) but hated it after a while and went back to focusing on regular songs (coinciding with the end of the Counterculture era), whereupon all her subsequent songs without exception became utter crap:”
But in terms of audience, was Fan more successful with children’s songs than with her prior regular songs? If so, then I believe reached common ground.
And from what I see, Counterculture children’s content really seemed to make efforts to understand not only its collective audience leading to its style as a whole but its diverse spectrum of individuals leading to its songs.
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"I would think the real test would be whether or not someone could tell apart a Counterculture era song from a post-Counterculture era song in the first place."
But is that "someone" someone living in the Countercuture era or someone living now? Hindsight makes a big difference. This is why a better test would be time travelling back to the Counterculture era and playing the post-Counterculture song to people back then.
"do you know if there’s a translation of the song?"
I do not know of one. But as she explains in the talk show, she sings the first verse from the POV of the main character (0:23) who struggles with stuttering. He think his stutter is an inherited trait. She then sings the rest of the song as herself responding, telling him that it can be overcome with mindfulness.
"Since Tong’s audience were kids, of course should could have easily maintained it. But if Tong’s audience were adult hedonistic party goers, then of course the audience of the Counterculture are going to move on, resulting in the artist’s pressure to change style. Wouldn’t it be?"
Yes! The other great children's song specialist, Fan:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg21029/#msg21029
started with consistently excellent regular songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWJ7Mk6qOmo
(See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg22612/#msg22612
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dietary-decolonization/msg15609/#msg15609 )
then diversified into children's songs (as previously covered) but hated it after a while and went back to focusing on regular songs (coinciding with the end of the Counterculture era), whereupon all her subsequent songs without exception became utter crap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5aSWm6dXHQ
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“The real test is whether or not you could imagine sneaking a post-Counterculture-era song (ballad or not) back into the Counterculture era and successfully passing it off as a Counterculture-era song.”
I would think the real test would be whether or not someone could tell apart a Counterculture era song from a post-Counterculture era song in the first place.
“(Note about the third example: it is designed to help children overcome stuttering. She also drew the comics for the same project:”
I may not understand the song, but do you know if there’s a translation of the song? If not, are there any Counterculture era songs from Tong’s country for (Taiwanese?) second language speakers?
“For contrast, here is an embarassingly bad song of hers also from during the Counterculture era but prior to her finding her true path as a children's song specialist:”
I didn’t really like the song. When the high note right before the chorus leads me to expect a key change, the chorus rather maintains the key unsatisfying-ly.
“Rather than a ballad vs non-ballad issue, I think the more important factor is children being her intended audience. This is what enabled her to both initially develop her style and thereafter maintain it.”
So it’s more about the audience than the actual music. Since Tong’s audience were kids, of course should could have easily maintained it. But if Tong’s audience were adult hedonistic party goers, then of course the audience of the Counterculture are going to move on, resulting in the artist’s pressure to change style. Wouldn’t it be?
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"ballads"
This is a very broad category. I am aware that there are ballads today, but they sound very different from those of the Counterculture era, so the same artist merely having ballads then and ballads now is insufficient to imply a maintained style. The real test is whether or not you could imagine sneaking a post-Counterculture-era song (ballad or not) back into the Counterculture era and successfully passing it off as a Counterculture-era song.
"How would you compare Tong’s maintained style with an actual Korean drama ballad (from Counterculture era)"
During the Counterculture era, no one outside of Korea paid attention to Korean media (which is how it should have continued), so such a comparison would never have been made in the first place. (That's why it sounds insulting to suggest such a comparison!)
In any case, Tong also had many non-ballad children's songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3_haWVmvMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9frEapk3esE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_T12Aw3zbY
(Note about the third example: it is designed to help children overcome stuttering. She also drew the comics for the same project:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhFuybyUeCs )
For contrast, here is an embarassingly bad song of hers also from during the Counterculture era but prior to her finding her true path as a children's song specialist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkfqWVLDnjU
Rather than a ballad vs non-ballad issue, I think the more important factor is children being her intended audience. This is what enabled her to both initially develop her style and thereafter maintain it.
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“you disagree that the old style was maintained?”
No. In fact, ballads are still used for OSTs of dramas in Sinosphere countries. This style has definitely maintained. It’s probably just a matter of contemporary music production.
“I definitely disagree with your comparison.)”
How would you compare Tong’s maintained style with an actual Korean drama ballad (from Counterculture era)?
Also thanks for the song.
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"This reminds me of something I would hear from a Korean OST."
In other words, you disagree that the old style was maintained? (Even so, did you have to be insulting about it? I definitely disagree with your comparison.)
"what was the song?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPYpg-3w2Tk
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“10s:”
This reminds me of something I would hear from a Korean OST.
“(See also:”
The song isn’t online, but I trust you. Just what was the song?
“I would just say insensitivity.”
Whatever it was, Chinen’s vocals are less irritating.
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"Are there any artists who maintained their Counterculture-era style the most?"
Surely by no coincidence, the undisputed Queen of Children's Songs. 90s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uOBQ4nvrQs
10s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l68Mte_2ZY
(https://is1-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music116/v4/f7/0e/40/f70e4039-2479-000e-c8e7-a80d190e0ff3/723592319540.jpg/1200x630cw.png)
(See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg22971/#msg22971 )
"sadness"
I would just say insensitivity.
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“Does this look like a group to you?”
“What you call "disbanding" I think of as just taking time off:”
For some reason the name Zard sounded like a band name. I never really looked into who Zard was. Thanks for the info.
“No. Ethically, as long as they did not promise that this was the end but then break their own promise, there is no problem. Aesthetically, I would positively want them to continue so long as they are able to maintain their Counterculture-era style. What disappoints me is when their later work ends up merely following post-Counterculture trends.”
Are there any artists who maintained their Counterculture-era style the most?
“I have never heard a Speed song that I liked.”
Let’s do some invidious comparison. Speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8Hyk3oGS4
Chinen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ISzT1Gmzb4
Judging vocals, the former sounds like sadness compared to the latter’s clear vocals.
Judging composition/arrangement, in the latter, rarely any instrumental part/track was mixed with one another.
Do you agree? If not, why?
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"Same applies to Zard who disbanded in 2000 to make a comeback in 2002."
Zard is different as it always felt like a solo act anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumi_Sakai
As Sakai was the only member in the group for the majority of the 16 years which it was active, Zard and Sakai may be referred to interchangeably.
Does this look like a group to you?
(https://img.hmv.co.jp/image/jacket/400/0000120/5/8/400.jpg)
What you call "disbanding" I think of as just taking time off:
she had to take a break from her career due to various uterus-related illnesses in 2001, and did not begin working full-time again until 2003.
'Do you think all Counterculture-era bands/groups or all musicians who peaked in the Counterculture-era are collectively superior and should not have continued passed its end?"
No. Ethically, as long as they did not promise that this was the end but then break their own promise, there is no problem. Aesthetically, I would positively want them to continue so long as they are able to maintain their Counterculture-era style. What disappoints me is when their later work ends up merely following post-Counterculture trends.
"what do you think of J-pop group Speed?"
They always sucked.
"They disbanded in 2000 only to be reunited in October 2001. Therefore, do you like their songs from 2000 and earlier?"
I have never heard a Speed song that I liked.
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Same applies to Zard who disbanded in 2000 to make a comeback in 2002.
Do you think all Counterculture-era bands/groups or all musicians who peaked in the Counterculture-era are collectively superior and should not have continued passed its end?
If so, what do you think of J-pop group Speed? They disbanded in 2000 only to be reunited in October 2001. Therefore, do you like their songs from 2000 and earlier?
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"It seems like you really admire X Japan."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_me2yfR7Jfk
For the record, I do not follow their post-renuion work. I would have preferred them to stick to their promise of The Last Live actually being such.
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It seems like you really admire X Japan.
What I can tell from most of the music you like is that the way that the songs are played/sung are not constrained by arpeggio/fingering/. For example back in this link:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18890/#msg18890
The chords in track 2 were elongated to let out more sound. This is compared to that of track 3 which were ornamented resulting in confined sound.
Even Carpenter understands this struggle as there’s no room for breath:
https://youtube.com/shorts/XDJh_eVWRxU?si=a9-ttDO7u_1hoVIF
On the contrary, if you heard “Espresso” and considering her phenotype/image, you could tell Carpenter could have not had fame from a song similar to “Hopelessly Devoted”.
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"you like X Japan?"
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/agcAAOSwnYRjgMGi/s-l1200.jpg)
(See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg24570/#msg24570 )
"what do you think of this song:"
One of my favourites, of course!
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I see there is minor embellishments, but I sense some emotion. This is in comparison with post-Counterculture piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0sZ2_XR7DM
By the way, you like X Japan? If so, then what do you think of this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlI7GAHnMfM
?
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"Then what would you consider an example of Counterculture piano?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQrVpGsOFCE
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“By tonal complexity I mean the complexity of the sound in a single instant sof time.”
So basically texture density.
“a choir singing a song will always be more tonally complex than a solo singer singing the exact same song, but not necessarily more dynamically complex.”
In fact, an opera can be more dynamically complex than a chorus, requiring to project in a big venue as much as a chorus does while still being able to sing quietly compared to a chorus all according to the sheet music’s complicated instructions.
“The BGM you linked to is jazz, a genre which predates the Counterculture (despite the particular composition occurring during the Counterculture era). As a genre, jazz is still too concerned with showing off skill.”
Then what would you consider an example of Counterculture piano?
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By tonal complexity I mean the complexity of the sound in a single instant of time. Dynamic complexity should refer to the complexity in volume trajectory along the time axis (e.g. across at least several beats). For example, a choir singing a song will always be more tonally complex than a solo singer singing the exact same song, but not necessarily more dynamically complex.
"Counterculture piano:"
The BGM you linked to is jazz, a genre which predates the Counterculture (despite the particular composition occurring during the Counterculture era). As a genre, jazz is still too concerned with showing off skill. Counterculture music should be as much as possible about conveying sentiment, and hence performers who overemphasize virtuosity are looked down upon as artistically insincere. The best performers by Counterculture standards are those who have high skill (to match their high sensitivity) but who never use more of it than the meaning of the song itself demands, and who also do not deliberately stack their albums with difficult songs. Performers with less skill than sensitivity but who accept this and perform within their capability are still more respectable by Counterculture standards than performers with more skill but who use it even when there is no reason to do so (which is already a sign of low sensitivity), and/or choose difficult songs just for the sake of it (another sign of low sensitivity).
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“The way I see it, the synthesizer was more of an initial battering ram to break down the ingrained presumption that tonal complexity is better by default. Once this had been achieved, there was a reduction in synthesizer prominence and also a return to non-electronic instruments but now used in a less pretentious way.”
That is what you mean my tonal complexity? I would think tonal complexity would mean that a synthesizer could be taken advantage of all the notes like a piano would could have been. Dynamic complexity would have been the term I was looking for.
But is this what you are talking about? Western piano:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3981/#msg3981
Counterculture piano:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16878/#msg16878
In the former, both hands get mixed up and varied. In the latter, we know which hand is the melody and the chord progression because both hands are discrete from each other and don’t take advantage of the whole keyboard input.
“(Similarly, neon signs and painted signs were not mutually exclusive, but the former influenced the latter to use simpler colour configurations.)”
Graffiti followed that example
(https://urvanitynews.capitanproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/bannerQA_Bronx_1994.jpg)
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I'm just saying that "folkish" is not the term we should use to label what you have described.
Also, I would not say that synthesizer sounds are a necessary condition for music to be considered Counterculture. The way I see it, the synthesizer was more of an initial battering ram to break down the ingrained presumption that tonal complexity is better by default. Once this had been achieved, there was a reduction in synthesizer prominence and also a return to non-electronic instruments but now used in a less pretentious way.
(Similarly, neon signs and painted signs were not mutually exclusive, but the former influenced the latter to use simpler colour configurations.)
I have previously posted examples of non-synthesizer songs, including most obviously some songs with single instrument accompaniment to vocals:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg23191/#msg23191
as well as songs in which the synthesizer clearly takes a back seat to the mechanical instruments:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg21694/#msg21694
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg21413/#msg21413
The last example also answers your question about piano vs synthesizer. While both are keyboard input, the former produces a different sound depending on how hard the key is struck whereas the latter is unaffected by how the key is struck. You can hear the difference in the song.
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But wait. How does the synthesizer differ from Western classical music’s most common solo instrument, the piano?
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But there is a staple sound in each of those music cultures. In the case we have been talking about, the staple sound is synthesizers.
Even in music within Counterculture franchises/icons that don’t have neon lights as their aesthetic, there is still a staple sound.
For example, MJ’s style of funk. Zelda has a distinct ancient sound. Chinen’s style of rock and singing. Kudo’s style of singing. Sukeban Deka’s distinct style of music. Sailor Moon has a distinct magical style. Even D&D has a slightly distinct romantic style of Eurobeat compared to MAX, Amuro, etc (though a lot of their songs seem to be covers of European songs).
Those artists/cultures have distinct, predictable styles that true fans appreciate (and false fans appropriate).
The “staple” sound in Western classical music is tonal/instrumental/dynamic/etc variety, which is not a staple as it is not simplified or predictable. K-pop and other post-Counterculture music is no different.
I hope I’m understanding it.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "folkish"/"folkism" with regard to music. Folkism is a principle about how to form alliances:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/ethnotribalism-the-computer-simulation/
While you could argue that Counterculture music produced in different countries are collaborating against Western classical music supremacism, they are not allying in the sense of one sacrificing itself for the sake of another (music does not work that way), therefore "folkism" is probably the wrong term to use.
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“In the second and third videos, I am having trouble finding the neon/LED.”
I’m guessing either you not find the third song that bad or the second and third song music doesn’t match with neon or LED lights or some other reason I cannot think of.
This is more to do with the instrumental variation of the songs themselves.
I know I should have found an example of neon and LED lights since that’s what the current discussion would be.
But all I wanted to understand was the basis of the movement’s music, and from what I understand, music should be folkish.
The folkish purpose of Counterculture music is electronics for instrumentation as synthesizers are an evolution of guitar amplifiers from the post-WWII rock and roll era. There’s also folkism in ancient music as the general purpose of music in any ancient civilization was fewer and simplified staple instruments.
There is no folkism in an orchestra due to minimal common traits. And even without orchestras, Western classical music is not prevented from displaying tonal complexity. The only “purpose” of Western classical music is diversity (ie. complexity) in its true ignoble sense, which is not a real purpose due to lack of simplification.
But in conclusion, I only wanted to understand what the basis is of True Left music itself (not specific to synthesizers, neon, etc) and to see if you validate that theory above.
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In your first video, it is still much more unpredictable due to both the the much larger total number of different colours involved and the lack of discretization.
In the second and third videos, I am having trouble finding the neon/LED. Could you please post timestamps?
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“once the arranger decides on a particular discrete sound for a whole keyboard line, every note of that line can then be counted upon to sound exactly the same (except for pitch difference, obviously).”
And then a synthesizer with a different sound can be added for instrumental variation/complexity.
“Similar to the discretized colour inside every part of a neon tube (as opposed to, for example, the continuously varying colours in an oil painting)”
oil paint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urfjyj4FnUc
neon tube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps2Jc28tQrw
“With LED signs, predictability starts going down again”
LED lights (compare with the second example):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGflUbPQfW8
If they describe your pattern, then I see it
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"Then what would you consider K-pop to have used instead?"
Kpop should never have existed.
"I would not consider synthesizers that predictable since they can be adjusted to any sound imagined"
In theory, yes, but in practice once the arranger decides on a particular discrete sound for a whole keyboard line, every note of that line can then be counted upon to sound exactly the same (except for pitch difference, obviously). That is what I meant by predictable. Similar to the discretized colour inside every part of a neon tube (as opposed to, for example, the continuously varying colours in an oil painting):
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/66/8b/23/668b23b108cb9471267aafee5963b4ab.jpg)
vs
(https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/cocktails-neon-icons-set-collection-600nw-2100716044.jpg)
With LED signs, predictability starts going down again:
(https://radiancesigns.in/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/s-l1600.webp)
"But doesn’t the comparison I made still coincide that OSTs and other music have progressed to sound more instrumentally complex?"
Sure, of course I prefer the SNES version of Kakariko Village. But when I listen to it I don't especially feel like I am back in the Coounterculture era the way I feel when I listen to the examples that I posted, because even Kakariko Village (the place) itself is not in the Counterculture era.
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“the synthesizer is associated strictly with the Counterculture era, therefore Kpop, which is a phenomenon that began after the Counterculture era ended, should not be using it”
Then what would you consider K-pop to have used instead? Because today’s music production is electronic so of course musicians these days are going to use something as electronic as synthesizers. If you mean that the way K-pop artists appropriated synthesizers to be included for instrumental variation, then I would agree (like the E-Girls version of ‘Odoru Pompokolin’ I posted). Or do you mean that K-pop (and other post-Counterculture music) should have implemented an instrumental folk of their own time rather than appropriating synthesizer music. Then I would also agree.
“Think of a neon sign as an optical version of a synthesizer track”
With that logic, think of LED lights as an optical version of Trap/EDM music. LED lights (a result of neon lights) and Trap/EDM music (results of synthesizer music) have already existed before Counterculture ended, and yet post-Counterculture-era takes credit for both. Memes and emojis also existed before Counterculture ended and are also taken credit by post-Counterculture-era. In other words, post-Counterculture-era has no true aesthetics.
“predictable acoustics as its core feature”
I would not consider synthesizers that predictable since they can be adjusted to any sound imagined in terms of oscillator, LFO, envelope, etc. and additional synthesizers with different adjustments can also be added to its mix.
“I oonsider Zelda a bad example, however, as it is set in an ancient fantasy world”
But doesn’t the comparison I made still coincide that OSTs and other music have progressed to sound more instrumentally complex?
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"While one can argue that synthesizers are a product of progressivism"
I do not see it this way. I see orchestration as a progressive mindset in the sense of adding more and more different instruments into simultaneous play in order to achieve ever-increasing acoustic complexity. The synthesizer represents open opposition to this by offering predictable acoustics as its core feature.
"Various tracks within any pre-3D game OST can work really."
I oonsider Zelda a bad example, however, as it is set in an ancient fantasy world. In my previous post, I deliberately chose games in contemporary settings to emphasize the music's specific and proud association with that time period, equivalent to a neon sign in architecture (which would look out of place in Zelda for sure!) Think of a neon sign as an optical version of a synthesizer track:
(https://www.ubuy.hk/productimg/?image=aHR0cHM6Ly9tLm1lZGlhLWFtYXpvbi5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL0kvNzF6cnY4T0ltdUwuX0FDX1NMMTUwMF8uanBn.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7i4qcPmVJc
or a synthesizer track as an audial version of a neon sign:
(https://neonsign.us/cdn/shop/products/Beach-Cocktail-Drink-Neon-Sign-Hfm_7ee895f1-82e9-41c1-86f6-b79082d8e6bf.jpg?v=1544635797)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr_wGg_04_E
Now return to Double Dragon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZXDV06UH-c
Notice the neon signs in the background?
Similarly Streets of Rage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3YbN-K2zL8
Neon signs again!
"Though I can’t really seem to understand your dislike for K-pop, which is usually synth heavy"
As I keep trying to explain, the synthesizer is associated strictly with the Counterculture era, therefore Kpop, which is a phenomenon that began after the Counterculture era ended, should not be using it. Yet it does. Therefore I dislike it, in the same way that I dislike neo-Nazis using the swastika. Your question is equivalent to: "Though I can't really seem to understand your dislike for neo-Nazism, which is usually swastika heavy."
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“The rejection of the synthesizer by the Western classical music circle is evidence of its anti-Western potential”
I have praised synth music in the past:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg18850/#msg18850
I like a lot of disco and synth-pop and their derivatives.
While one can argue that synthesizers are a product of progressivism, it does share some traits in common with pre-colonial instrumentation. For example, instruments of ancient civilizations were folkish and populist just like synthesizers.
“it is actually best to listen to various themed tracks from the same OST”
Various tracks within any pre-3D game OST can work really.
2D BGM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMnZite_lB0
3D BGM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsq5STyuNAs
Note there is less “varied” timbres in the former.
Though I can’t really seem to understand your dislike for K-pop, which is usually synth heavy and incorporates a lot of elements from Electronic and Hip Hop music. Perfume is also an EDM unit with traces of 1980s synth-pop.
By only using text to describe post-Counterculture music, what makes Counterculture synth music different? I’m guessing the reason for post-Counterculture electronic music inferiority is when more songs started to show more tonal differentiation, due to the prominence of orchestras in OSTs of popular media.
Counterculture era song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lwm8DtXyTs
Post-Counterculture era version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqlbS5fZxMw
Again, the less varied timbres in the former.
But what do you think? Do you validate my observation? If not, what do you think it really is?
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Your question in its current form would require a book-length treatment to answer properly. I would recommend you break it up into more localized questions in order to suit the medium of forum discussion.
For now, I will only say that one of the most important sounds associated with Counterculture music is the:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesizer
Synthesizers were initially viewed as avant-garde, valued by the 1960s psychedelic and countercultural scenes but with little perceived commercial potential. Switched-On Bach (1968), a bestselling album of Bach compositions arranged for synthesizer by Wendy Carlos, took synthesizers to the mainstream. They were adopted by electronic acts and pop and rock groups in the 1960s and 1970s and were widely used in 1980s music. Sampling, introduced with the Fairlight synthesizer in 1979, has influenced genres such as electronic and hip hop music.
...
However, debates were held about the appropriateness of synthesizers in baroque music, and according to the Guardian they were quickly abandoned in "serious classical circles".[30]
The rejection of the synthesizer by the Western classical music circle is evidence of its anti-Western potential.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthwave
Synthwave (also called retrowave, or futuresynth[5]) is an electronic music microgenre that is based predominantly on the music associated with the film soundtracks of action films, science fiction films, and horror films of the 1980s.[2] Other influences are drawn from the decade's art and video games.[3] Synthwave musicians often espouse nostalgia for 1980s culture and attempt to capture the era's atmosphere and celebrate it.[9]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sdJk4WBbks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzGf4-2-Tfo
To best appreciate its versatility, it is actually best to listen to various themed tracks from the same OST:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zze2vBNCQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec4yEXkwXtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJq59g0cNcQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6k89LXcXWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTOESYQo3Uk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPCYxEc8y1o
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Since the last conversation I had with 90sRF seems done, I got a question for this topic.
What was the evolution of post-WWII Counterculture music until the early 2000s (the music itself, not the MV or anything else next to the music)? Can it be explained like:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-dress-decolonization/msg5862/#msg5862
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10239/#msg10239
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10049/#msg10049 ?
I just want to understand what the basis is of Aryan/True Left music.
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This song reminds me of when I found 90SRF and JJ on the internet: (First heard this song on the Breaking Bad T.V. series soundtrack. Technically speaking, you don't need a bow to fire magic missiles...)
TIMBER TIMBRE - MAGIC ARROW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icJOkfS7ImA
Lyrics:
Mystic palm, gem and tarot
A few escape your magic arrow
I saw you reel them in for miles
Each captivated crooked smile
And you know you can heal them all
Your double diamond disposition
Refractions of your center prism
Your magic arrow flies precision
And you saw it from that vantage point
Perimeter scratched on the nation's native hide
And we saw those christian clippers glide
Over white caps and white sails hide
Over white knuckles
And I was fine 'til I saw the pale horse ride
And open up it's gape across the ocean floor
You were fine 'til you saw the white rider take
And take some more
Our mother's milk double faro
A few escape your magic arrow
And with a Christ as bayonet
Oh you siphoned off the hellion's threats
And even in your ghastly visions
Your magic arrow flies precision
Whistles like a boiling potion
Charges like a locomotive
And you saw it from that vantage point
Perimeter scratched on the nation's native hide
And we saw those christian clippers glide
Over white caps and white sails and hide
Over white knuckles
And you were fine 'til you saw the pale horse ride
Open up it's gape across the ocean floor
You were fine 'til you saw the white rider take
And take some more
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=PivWY9wn5ps
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One of my favorite OST:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj2_JwVGOuQ
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Sa-Roc - I Am Her (Official Video)
Lyrics:
"You won't ever see us back away.
Til we make the world see that we ain't come to play.
This is so lil girls dream bigger than they sposed to.
And we get a fair share of pie on the plate.
I am her.
Pardon this interruption of your daily status quo.
We're here to disrupt the arrangement of your Daddy's show.
This double extraordinary enigmatic flow is brought to u by Audre, and Bell and Maya Angelou.
Hand em over.
We need the titles, receipts, the empire replete with the power to speak.
And no, this is not a request.
Hundreds of years of forced silence got a lot on my chest.
And we don't need your approval on our style of address.
Or style of the dress, I'll rock a head wrap and bulletproof vest.
And start my lyrical sermon with this Mother you guessed it.
Just so we're clear on who governs reproductive requests.
It's not up to anyone's opinion on how I protect it.
I'm part of collectives from Mali to Mecca getting bigger.
And our premiere gon be major no longer hidden figures.
We out to level the playing field for them young queens.
Coming for that wage gap til we recoup them Hidden figures.
In '97 million women marched and I was wit it.
In 2017 the same the establishment livid.
If this a man's world we came here to grab the equivalent.
And watch the future reimagined by the hand of the feminine.
You won't ever see us back away.
Til we make the world see that we ain't come to play.
This is so lil girls dream bigger than they sposed to.
And we get a fair share of pie on the plate.
I am her."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7LyeM8ZPpA
The only caveat I would add, the righteous should not want to eat every plate. Some plates are not worthy of the righteous eating them, lest the righteous become unrighteous, right?
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Sa-Roc feat David Banner: The Who? (Official Music Video) Produced by: Sol Messiah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBRq4yzDYc
Interestingly, when I was in the 5th grade and fresh off the boat I was instructed to give a presentation in front of my fifth grade class whilst pretending do be a famous American fore-father. I chose George Washington. My mothers friend, who was experienced in theater helped me put the presentation together. The presentation started with me asking the class, "I bet you don't know who I am?". Long story short, met that 5th grade teacher 20 plus years later somewhere, can't remember where exactly, but after a brief discussion the teacher confirmed to myself that he still shares the video of my presentation to class as an example of a successful presentation. I vividly remember standing next to a bunch of girls in my class at the lunch counter some days after the presentation and heard them over-saying things such as, "Can you believe he pulled that off", and, "What an amazing presentation", etc. I dated every girl in my 5th grade class, and have always felt bad for not dating the girl in the wheelchair that asked me out. One of the biggest regrets of my life. Digressing, the above song always reminds me of this past of mine...
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Where Have I Been?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX8KECZGohs
Aryanists believe time = initiated violence.
Furthermore:
Life (2017) - He Has to Kill Us Scene (5/10) | Movieclips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfUzaYV1xfE
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Post American Studies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icH_7BVtPvo
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It's now starting to look like that I truly am inevitable, you fools can try to keep me in the cave for only so long...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWsLm7mND1k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ_qTrrEp8c
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m4FWw3WJ-Q
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCkenGZJpa0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2jwqy5OqHM
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The flames of the fire of this world grow stronger, will it drag the world away? I don't know.
There's also a sweet fire kindling in my heart and all I can do is obey it's call. Oh holy flame of God, it is you that I love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsXEb-NOs88
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Biden dropping out makes me suddenly feel ready to start posting music again! Let's start in an upbeat direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MEnW8b8KyI
(You know it's the Counterculture era when even children's show presenters were cool.)
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So, did you enjoy our 5-month Sailor Moon music marathon? For me, it was a chance to return to many songs and BGMs that I actually own on CD (purchased during the 90s) but mostly haven't listened to recently. (I also plan to rewatch the series itself again soon, something I have wanted to do for a years but kept putting off.) Starting next month, I will take a break from posting music daily. I still have much more to share, so I am merely slowing down the pace.
Good music never becomes boring from relistening.This applies to a lot of Counterculture-era music but to almost no music since (including the reboot Crystal music). It was the Counterculture era which made Sailor Moon legendary, and that was the way the producers should have left it instead of rebooting. The 90s version is the version that we should always remember:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjbP4zL5fRw
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/796ef07d-8aaf-4119-8709-62dd8cabeef2/d8cnt1q-f4563b1b-14eb-4689-93b7-d4cab1514e55.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_1366,q_75,strp/sailor_moon_stars_poster_by_cab_art_d8cnt1q-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.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.TYvBhBWPm06hQSRMxrliN0vNDhu0aANvd2bg1namQ4s)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReWSLKV40BY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5zDDs_ww1g
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYwxbl63cw0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMbfCWQdZo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYOfgaXpHQw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvilFc1dviA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZbuopzqRlA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd9QV41sJHk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loI8TT1fPEo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyxkiIXf5SQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLkp1SVpb1I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ng7G0qvic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lVguFN6T5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ_wr39LaBQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahnc8gAfsIE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM7risbP9dc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fjyPUBmsNY
Concert version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfDoy7H1tXY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sghsg2ovGw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXxgmSbI7XE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVYqlbSQiVQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNNlTocIuPo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl95DYCPERw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meQj1m-ZF5U
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXYIS51tHWI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrqB2Jh5myQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd2vYkcoLtU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RURdjv_Qp-I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3w4nYOxa8g
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSCvTemEGAI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrREezgkOZI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6djXygg0e8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUeFeU00df4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKlcvHCPyvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX_xlpECLog
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4sNpXoitbE
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This is it! The final month of Sailor Moon music! Let's go out with a blast!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlkN58iORYE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW3DKdCQgGY
And that concludes our Season 4 music. Season 5 music starts tomorrow!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvCEW_wc8XU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNN5MKKKBM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taxI8Sut6BA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afq2PbA1RLI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruVhvbNYULM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URXnolk5fls
Beyond 1:31 is optional.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctz0lcmEeNg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6u4uASrwbA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IuLRbruz2k
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulj0oIJ2ugI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAZH1Rin0zA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TyLh7uGWHI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VayFUg2aTvs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-X5hXNoTAI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joo_fAJXQos
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG5th0_GaSk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6u4uASrwbA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H467alDxtoU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uZGEwQe-KY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN2txbFHuGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dmdg7seayc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-evDDNxMpM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hly5Z4Es3Kc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nMHr_kE4go
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aiWA2PO99s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MszTvfTDguI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBVvu6hrjJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2T9QMX4m94
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n9YKe86Awk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfXJj_SDFws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_um0LT1mq8M
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcmOT4ZXiSI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yprao2wx3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECGeILLIlak
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQDNWDXw7ZU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbW_89Vs7X0
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Season 4 was musically a particularly outstanding season due to the focus on the dream world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IA7GRgWjbA
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And this brings us to the end of Season 3 music!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ItIWQLQKo
Season 4 next?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gIZ_4KHwU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASH268wOTVA
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"I’ve been watching Sailor Moon for the first time, and I really like Usagi’s characterization. She’s lazy, but has a strong sense of justice that compels her to action despite her laziness. I feel like that’s the perfect combination for a hero, because that type of person is much less likely to abuse the power bestowed upon them"
Please continue this discussion here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/
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At least Crystal doesn’t have the typical 3D CG art style like Miraculous Ladybug, that popular Sailor Moon-inspired show that came out in 2015 and got really popular:
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/miraculous_1.png
There have been attempts by certain Japanese studios to create cartoons in a 3D art style as well (including Studio Ghibli with their movies), but most of these attempts seem to have been ridiculed so far. In “the West” though, 3D CG animation is basically inescapable (either because 3D is genuinely preferred, or more likely because it’s easier and more cost effective than other forms of animation)
Anyways, I’ve been listening to this on repeat, because I’ve been extremely down in the dumps lately:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3ObWCtU6eI
I’m realizing that I’m not very useful in threads like these, because my music pool at any given time is very shallow. It’s hard to find good songs that inspire me emotionally, so I mostly just listen to the same few songs every single day on repeat, until I accidentally stumble upon another song that I like, and then that song usually replaces another song in my tiny pool, just so that I can retire it for a bit
Also, I’ve been watching Sailor Moon for the first time, and I really like Usagi’s characterization. She’s lazy, but has a strong sense of justice that compels her to action despite her laziness. I feel like that’s the perfect combination for a hero, because that type of person is much less likely to abuse the power bestowed upon them
Speaking of songs that inspire me, I really like Soldier of Love (Ai no Senshi). I’m feeling really battered down lately as I mentioned, so the lyrics make me feel a bit better
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI0vn8A9iNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2liO8rYapFc
Also contrast the superiority of the 90s art style:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/e6/dd/70e6dd089af8727f1c3a94b8a8e0e43c.jpg
with the inferiority of the Crystal art style:
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/a6cabb92-427b-477f-ba5e-43c73c8db99f/da8osca-7ac4196d-99e4-4970-9caf-220c37650678.jpg/v1/fill/w_800,h_1285,q_75,strp/sailor_pluto_and_sailor_chibimoon___smc_season_3_by_xuweisen_da8osca-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTI4NSIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2E2Y2FiYjkyLTQyN2ItNDc3Zi1iYTVlLTQzYzczYzhkYjk5ZlwvZGE4b3NjYS03YWM0MTk2ZC05OWU0LTQ5NzAtOWNhZi0yMjBjMzc2NTA2NzguanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTgwMCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.FhPawNdZamaOcmppiYyDmD5VbvhTySYEPOWD2diqfF0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iqyr-ovINo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxBRqFi3nQE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89SbFs2jjGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHa98S2Ctak
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL2FxuoNgxQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPPWWQVnxTU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFeoz6VqfXI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DviKbVMRSTM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DRCsQGhBUk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyRuaqxOjLA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF1s4tnaeVM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj-f6s6WD08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olXXndgzLiM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zfxhVnN09s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtxAKDRMyYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V45NKDYuQ3E
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVKolCf7pzM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6JZ40BtROg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20J_LA3xSWY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jel45hcoFDU
For best results, stop at 2:00.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7rs2u7_6CY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjoTTH165E
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTKWUFqEO4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWO6C04Hhfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAfgowW6xBw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6Woan_tJ_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph2cCQp4wMQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT0JkPQzVA0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hudjriyarLM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sQS2mtfFLg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCstIlrcsBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FCsGE0HLUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOxZcrjv6UY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chnlpO3_c_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUXb4rwccqw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SqJqszeQvc
For best results, stop at 1:36.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rz9EhNNkGE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZEx2neikps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cLxRKmGL-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXeK_JPSYBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DjFIOblv5k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TxSaFZVMhM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejPiLEDje30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I5zeKTOUB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooCLM4H4Rwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbPztpB7keA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEsH4BppM-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fh3b-2PbXk
For best results, stop at 0:48.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLmo9tQC8kk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx178XZ7_gA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhZ_bqD5uHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKDFO9q2OP4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4A44UyUJqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BkfjopFAGk
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It's not that I can't think of anything else, but whether it is a good idea to do all the Sailor Moon music in one go. Judging by your response, I guess it is! So, onto Season 3!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UHetw7bokM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X1Gb301-fE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu7AkiHiKnE
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If you can’t think of any other music to break it up with, then sure :)
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And this concludes our month of Sailor Moon Season 2 music!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGAW0y3zLig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-o5Z4RxWQ4
Straight to Season 3 starting tomorrow or not?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaNr9i6ojAo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKsT4Z2DhQA&list=PLR_7LP0kpp91LGKafqbo-vu2J4XCjQox0&index=47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt7EsHXs4zA&list=PLR_7LP0kpp91LGKafqbo-vu2J4XCjQox0&index=107
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUiGR3mGjzU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDnEOUWwSXQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmBbhTb8tyY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egFIsP60sRY&list=PLR_7LP0kpp91LGKafqbo-vu2J4XCjQox0&index=31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-9iAy1oq28&list=PLR_7LP0kpp91LGKafqbo-vu2J4XCjQox0&index=34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYmTPVLztwE&list=PLR_7LP0kpp91LGKafqbo-vu2J4XCjQox0&index=35
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQTpLbic3vM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqR5mlCMyGw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fM7xEU3938&list=PLR_7LP0kpp91LGKafqbo-vu2J4XCjQox0&index=27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aanLRgobRVo&list=PLR_7LP0kpp91LGKafqbo-vu2J4XCjQox0&index=28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak0gqmCQNU0&list=PLR_7LP0kpp91LGKafqbo-vu2J4XCjQox0&index=29
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az_WA4cVJg0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdWiyWgSdzc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7PFm7mrdVY&list=PLR_7LP0kpp91LGKafqbo-vu2J4XCjQox0&index=21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpIQt5qUHDk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82O80LAr52s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qZPrPW15NQ&list=PLe0LPbpC0Di6JJ5sSgp58tZsvOlddBtdI&index=23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qkBT_6klKs&list=PLe0LPbpC0Di6JJ5sSgp58tZsvOlddBtdI&index=18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOZw35By9f0&list=PLe0LPbpC0Di6JJ5sSgp58tZsvOlddBtdI&index=22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulj6rs5qQ6U
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbSlATtZBtc&list=PL9DF5EBF00A5CE4D5&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UNwLHA6x1Y&list=PLe0LPbpC0Di6JJ5sSgp58tZsvOlddBtdI&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie__67GTp0M&list=PLe0LPbpC0Di6JJ5sSgp58tZsvOlddBtdI&index=9
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCJKEciRkXM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dyu-htpOQ8&list=PL9DF5EBF00A5CE4D5&index=18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdgGskpa4Ig&list=PL9DF5EBF00A5CE4D5&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OvVs3ZZ1KI&list=PL9DF5EBF00A5CE4D5&index=6
Hopefully we can meet sometime soon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwovn4JWj6E
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6uyG0i4X28
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAFVbDTB4Gg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlKxU6zkC_k&list=PL1C98B0A7CD0170CB&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5TSH3Kuyug&list=PL1C98B0A7CD0170CB&index=22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYcjyOnx8w4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZext3_-HCc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVrAyfAGwI0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6mftPOyQX0&list=PL1C98B0A7CD0170CB&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORBnTtnXN-o&list=PL1C98B0A7CD0170CB&index=8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGCdLKXNF3w
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_iZNHjqEdA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZeBr5LrZZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj8YXyu99ps
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puh-OomYatg&list=PL1C98B0A7CD0170CB&index=7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGeynsoV8PQ&list=PL1C98B0A7CD0170CB&index=12
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-291PLIJ9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TswI8tiPyRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBWXILEcVPc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcYavlj0T0s&list=PL1C98B0A7CD0170CB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWASjCfBq7Q&list=PL1C98B0A7CD0170CB&index=21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX3osS9JNvI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kK_HGNOo9A
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjgTeo7uSxI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49YrbqyYUIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzJ7tvluLFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSIxL4rLBuI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIzd5Q4TQqg&list=PL0ECC56A72000EB97&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWcVUZJaZ54&list=PL0ECC56A72000EB97&index=19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TYqWs9nFfU&list=PL0ECC56A72000EB97&index=22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANEOwTNHbYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkoIPPF2Vrs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlGDKfgz4fA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR3NoSSJ65U
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6A0epNF5hA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvrOzYtnLMA
I committed sin by calling myself God, so when I pray to him I ask for his forgiveness.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djGhBrjJyKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZe_Lx29LA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGauJZDcplM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxU2UjAjN24
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVDFyBD4KvI
(For best results, stop at 1:27.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLfNTxGOEu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhbylqKpTXw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PdW6a77kEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyv_pc8y7QU
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Judgment is coming down on the royal family and your worthless Island... :o
https://youtu.be/eij0rOmSf5E?si=WzOEZxf0jAh8Kci6
https://youtu.be/XtLvlaGJJEU?si=VYetpigoSPaxvRQy
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Were gonna get you Trump & Musk... :o
https://youtu.be/TZQc9Uf5eSE?si=PyTEhC1ocHj4kSCO
https://youtu.be/q7MGbUYslrU?si=sPerjci-vRbTGGSY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLoG7OyBIgs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pRXWHSz1gI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOsFs0hA4fo
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https://youtu.be/CHLsolltIJ8?si=Lzn9pZFdBhfzm-Lb
https://youtu.be/XTPEYCw5uuM?si=eMjzSURNDi8DblHg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALRe9MZCgYM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd2h1Mk5VFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2pqgNK0p8o
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https://youtu.be/rLvSD5HuIcE?si=9s6lgkeCiZ924tND
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https://youtu.be/HMqMekCUyNg?si=ElpYNm-3MSgQxBox
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e113q7tm1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0yvg_qtgcI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiHrgFCSyR4
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https://youtu.be/An_h_uLHMNo?si=cIhIxPIl4mzE-1VX
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_OdUp4x5Uc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeKib4dbt0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON3_qBiMs9o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USQ71anI_Yo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYDLYTEpfkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7Nhe7qvUYA
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https://youtu.be/43aj3ag3H1c?si=bSDmQvqvJrWN3VQi
https://youtu.be/FMex4f8cwEY?si=n4q0zktv0i0uDbOx
https://youtu.be/plDUqE5obeQ?si=scoq4Qd8cAGWmM_0
https://youtu.be/9E7MPl4G2Qc?si=uTV3Jb-kfg6HM45o
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=016uP96JKFM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu9hdiSuDIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHORMKuzlMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu7RUMWHtk0
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Since there have been no objections, it looks like we are going ahead! This month we will cover Season 2 Sailor Moon music!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_kL1aIXibw
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So, in this month we have successfully covered the music of Season 1 of Sailor Moon. Now what? Should we continue directly into another month covering the music of Season 2, and so on? Even if we don't do it at once, I will probably do it sooner or later, so why not do it all in one stretch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3PY-aSEPAo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bfCI7q0XlE
Unfortunately, one part of the lyric video is wrong. It should be “sole survivor” instead of “soul surviver”
What I really wanted to focus on though, was the meaning of the song:
At its surface, this song is about Satan, and his descent to Hell (his "dive"). But according to Dio, there's a lot more to it, and the main character isn't really The Devil. "The song 'Holy Diver' is really about a Christ-figure, who on another place, not Earth, has done exactly the same as we've apparently experienced or were supposed to have experienced on Earth: dying for the sins of man so that man can start again and be cleansed and do it properly," … "So, the same thing happened on this other far-distant planet, and all the people on this planet are calling him the Holy Diver because he's about to go to another world to do what he did to the first: absolve them from their sins by having himself killed. And the people are saying to him, 'Don't go,' with innuendos of tigers and stripes and hearts and being eaten. It was meant to show just how selfish humanity is, that this one form of humanity on this one world said, 'No, don't go down there and save anybody else. Stay here, we need you, you are ours.'"
This song is an expression of Dio's rebellion against his Catholic upbringing, which he felt distorted the message of the religion. Instead of teaching by love, the nuns would keep order by smacking the kids with rulers and telling them they would go to Hell if they didn't behave.
I don’t know how anyone could listen to the song and arrive at the conclusion that it’s about the Devil. I like the song, because this descent or dive that the song’s narrative centers around, mirrors the Gnostic idea that fragments of light turned soldiers of God, willingly descended down into Yahweh’s creation to undo his scheme
On a related note, “The Holy Divers” would be a cool name for a Gnostic activist/paramilitary group, or even a circle of bodhisattvas
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VUPx8DxCYM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QASTNLO_4fA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqoz71hy_tU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3xSBbVY8hU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycsOJLHcTBs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA7TyhCIycU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_saUJ6lYTEs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxexCVQFHI8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dni95rrVoTk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIQ-RrU_r7M
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWSNrlaknMQ
(For best results, stop at 2:26.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JWnfbfomAc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed0bqsucIok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w_1A6hEru0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqp19-M6uhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbpNN2e5b78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NPA-DsUxPM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxGLGWMSW9c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGoZjVnLHaM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk5u7fh1Oho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMmn_vCMHsI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcvYvlBQuwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_kEW1N8j1Q
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULQpk5DSbsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALO9zoY13S8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_mXhmJ4xcc
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weeb
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIJlgrEhuuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rrdUoF5UmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUkGzQmS3mE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Vfae_HsK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH9NMQtV3UI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy02zX_rSjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5y9Ineeyag
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myJcVu_jAYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeZySCt_fqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahBOAVj1pk4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9WvUG_iFrQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFuGbXEMEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1gJtz9MAU4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnolqXT9tU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhGrgfjVYfU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWxJgokMkAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-km-mHrqIMU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv-Z4-JCyf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fm2W6MprUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1xAPQgGZ0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEsGj0tCT4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZnhgTP5igU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow0QaMH-pSk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoIYjkX74E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucFNxkWVGbM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKxaCUBuCmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMujzSNjou8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zu3kKd5rbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jD8pv-NXjM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2oDEa5rGBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YSk_0sABQY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68QnfHs6G1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayaBiktgYZU
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"Arashi no Hero" by Oka Yuzuru for The Brave Express Mightgaine aired from January 30, 1993 – January 22, 1994.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X74u0-XgIT0
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Let's me introduce:
"Blue Water" by Miho Morikawa for anime "Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water" aired from April 13, 1990 – April 12, 1991.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSX-wbJnUSA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To8J45VxzQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDGiC6hE7tI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajKDAlVhLkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJd2QJQM7sI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjDlSqzrjY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAg0AQz25kQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpYGKEPStyk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBCCk7bCCSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCF8_O6sCV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znm5hscUN5s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vtrqoe-QzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaVaAhVwG-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61fTo9cb5kg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHwtxMYnXcg
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Welcome to Sailor Moon Month!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bBpiHJm3t0
As soon as I started looking through the playlists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm2UHRMKtic
it became apparent that there is far too much music from this gargantuan franchise to fit into just one month:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H18Pbn4Zix0
In fact, it is looking like just the Season 1 music could easily fill up a month!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77DJIdhBUEM
So perhaps we will have to do multiple months?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnEEQ0cbkq4
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And to finish off the year, another legendary grand collaboration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4QTCdLvE4k
Then, starting tomorrow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pQRtI-gL7o
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m98H9PrIHz8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaxB7Qbv9CU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdlmVjhCpuc
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Repost:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/vaccination/msg4617/#msg4617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ_2c7oF63c
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uZSaEytPwo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GufPPyntS5I
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvM5I4BNID0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B7U5WkhOiE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHGVacNS5zI
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Repost:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18938/#msg18938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAk-76pK8J8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T_bnZIKATs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAJfkehRLv4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nla3k5Dq_qI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVMky0KKP8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dDww5kr5zQ
(For the best listening experience, manually stop the video between 4:34 and 4:38.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN8rhAkmfCg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BYNV4bikFY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOKqUDlx5QU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSg4ex3lq90
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DssPrK8W6hw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmbF1-HQFFM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFi_i7Qen0M
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8SgB_BHz-A
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-xYsj7kyw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXEdy-w7MNQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWEeaBYQyaQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxEO9M4veg4
Note also the musical affinity between the above song and another previously posted winter favourite:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18964/#msg18964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af_3vvnmZ8Q
It is almost possible to listen to these as two variations of the same theme!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66VjRC0emr0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHA9mGZROVA
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Now we have another unthemed month before the next theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBW-JgpBoG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucngEIyQOq0
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Did you enjoy Lupin III month? I chose to focus on the pre-2000 music because I feel that the closing decades of the 20th century is the period which Lupin authentically belongs in, and I believe that the songs and BGMs that I have chosen reflect this: these are sounds from an indescribably better era that ended a long time ago, and that's the way we should let it stay. Why force more and more unnecessary new additions to the Lupin musical repository year after year? Why not just relisten to it when it was not only at its purest and best, but effortlessly so? It never felt insufficient back then, so why should it ever? I present our finale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhdOlyWTs3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElVmbugPca0
(https://assets.mycast.io/posters/lupin-iii-fan-casting-poster-70511-large.jpg?1607556765)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIyGKFug-9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEolQeN1rDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AokqEEUL38
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2RvPSiScJQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16HA8-4FAss
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TcbhRNjoLs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgSMBooJeDY
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"I'll keep it. The gatecrash is entertaining in its own way."
What?
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I'll keep it. The gatecrash is entertaining in its own way.
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You just had to screw up my announcement, didn't you?
You can just delete the post... ;D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI7Bz81462w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_sSa8fI-lo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp4GkTp5F60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJfNl58ZblA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Npf7kweeE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv4TAQ3fyWk
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So now instead of the announcement being serendipitously positioned between the two Lupin III songs sung by Sailor Moon voice actors, we now have the **** Pet Shop Boys gatecrashing the lineup. Oh well, at least get get a real-time microcosm of how there truly is no safe space from the ravages of Eurocentrism.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1W_3SvrDjo
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You just had to screw up my announcement, didn't you?
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Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls (Official Video) [HD REMASTERED]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3j2NYZ8FKs
...
Too many shadows, whispering voices
faces on posters, too many choices
If? When? Why? What?
How much have you got?
Have you got it? Do you get it?
If so, how often?
Which do you choose
a hard or soft option?
(How much do you need?)
...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ERyvICODU
Sandwiched between today's song and tomorrow's is probably the most suitable spot to announce that January will be Sailor Moon Month:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swf0SBUpxwM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQeZFchK8G0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cMqX-6Nnqw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A__zW7nwu2s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgk20aAFHuw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AZXOUpZLCo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cMcuIvrcd8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1g6f1mIunk
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Out of Touch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCkJ5lGPqFs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIxwzsm6Aa0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsj5umje2uo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zXbyZbJ1No
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjp9VZ1Ccv4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiMpjkZ3OAs
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQyUHrrVcAcC6yK.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHMhu8oZQm0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etE0Jvaw6bg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8jwJlHqISE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mujtQQENbnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYZ1mjvu7Rg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUJki9_plYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tqmdQPEYHE
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg23303/#msg23303
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Wxg8j9j7A
Who else can better blend extreme high-energy action:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/msg1134/#msg1134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhS_83SFFrg
with pure romanctic sentimentalism?
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/social-decolonization/msg15608/#msg15608
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E63eW8M_LvI
Welcome to Lupin III month!
(https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/lupin-series.jpg)
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It's the end of October already! Can I change the mood fast enough?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtBvR3RSwOo
Now, are you ready for the next themed month starting tomorrow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNkbnb66CvM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMuFhTfPvwQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9b9tmMJ_HE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRn47vIpj3U
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Goodbye Horses - Q Lazzarus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_DVS_303kQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gud0a-wnLo8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWsVlbQMI_Y
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCSAgd5Zz0s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DkceMRcNWo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4yvZ1PySvE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRMAfMnLl9k
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHqjzTodg9Y
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyx2s5QYBOo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKdWP6g6Yzw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNEPLtwCxGQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR3TOCWWlmg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5sD8KL5gj0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4g73dnx-UU
Also, I have decided that November will be Lupin III Month:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFpTLyfknLU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y37EzNeSYw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tv9mIOMLEo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRuVPbvxT9c
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twb1RXzk8KE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caC399YM-dA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSpJoUFKbVE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRjHvjM_GWY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Ji-HQpLWU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv3z2Hn629g
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHrdLANTrg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUE8Ty0n20A
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnJ6mVLPcU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoY_HoHJUq4
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Back to non-themed posting for now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmUlVd9Q_Ok
I would however be happy to do more themed postings at any time. Please feel welcome to go back through the content I have already posted and request elaboration on anything you want.
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So, did you enjoy Duet Month? While the songs we have listened to this month express the convoluted emotions that often come with romance, I want to close by reminding everyone that, although love may enable us to endure them, none of these are what true romantics actually ever aspired to, on the contrary they were everything that we wished we could have avoided. All we originally ever wanted was as simple a love story as possible. The purest romanticism is the capacity for timeless contentment in what the unromantic would consider boring. Because it is the anti-romantic who desire to be endlessly stimulated with novelty:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg13288/#msg13288
I leave you with our finale:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krt7svyTw90
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRJQ6SPr8RA
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg21380/#msg21380
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM70w2VT0So
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JFkb8dOHfI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ePm6FCJ-9k
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhMU2M1bHHY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhCjrZoYPbw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMflldF52Ao
(Sorry for the poor audio quality; this one never got a CD release.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DogfHNo1M0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DJ2gJOy-kI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGpMs2jvRn0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39EKIHEUnAE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKQqBk2hp7E
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q_j5MAgOQ8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2tcSNqbXwo
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And to round off the wuxia duets subsection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgcpYcNuRA4
Tomorrow we return to postmodernity!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFsi4yyqYz0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IZOwwg2WSs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xos1kLjjlr0
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Welcome to the wuxia duets subsection!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfrBXc637s8
(While the above is a recent performance, the song itself is from 1983.)
More wuxia duets here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg17399/#msg17399
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg21131/#msg21131
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg16308/#msg16308
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL_SHaCEOrk
Next, as promised, we will be temporarily leaving postmodernity as we move onto wuxia duets. How do you use music to evoke the ancient world? There are many ways, but perhaps the simplest method is:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQjiEPG4O58HnSA2CTka7ZWp4-qRReeh6UFPKMYI2DPa9Z54hoBv5L_IqaOFWnoT5cWs8s&usqp=CAU)
Brief preview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msq7MN5LRiw
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/aryan-hydraulic-empire/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrqV25GnbEM
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Male-female pairings are the most common because they provide a larger vocal space to work with. To illustrate this, time to bring back this classic pairing:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17626/#msg17626
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMJ1juwb8TM
for more duets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr9Sj5yAY44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eiCVsEvh68
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The abyss will be filled with light :)
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Another male-male pairing. Again note how the men are like they are facing down the abyss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t_0KzRk9KQ
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Another female-female pairing. Again note how relaxed the women sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OApVPG2Nhco
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I also find it amusing how the men are so much more flamboyant about it than the women are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8xMr6KNahQ
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It goes without saying that there is no rule against same-gender pairings; they are merely less frequent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1q5CIvgov4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XG6SYnchnM
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg21110/#msg21110
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NwoDF_Izs8
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Welcome to Duet Month!
We will be starting off with pop duets, then sometime in the middle sidetracking to wuxia theme songs (where duets are even more common), and then returning to more pop duets to finish. Let's get straight into it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbO0r0BJVGU
More duets here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18938/#msg18938
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO7gR-NJu7o
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b94N3e7KDUU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHTiJL9sxrk
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Reminder that Duet Month begins this Friday!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlQMESuxP2k
Partial MV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ijAQGSV2mQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0rUyMT1SuE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4E5kKOHwTo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPQ6F089XOQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_H4SsrNFUY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ekN4DB9ZZg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yr-nexo0fQ
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Heads up: September will be Duet Month!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEDRZtWZgQ8
(This one is intentionally not quite a duet (because it's still August), but next month I will be posting full duets every day.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DCY-FuzuzQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsGnS84WZJQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pa1YhR6MB8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrTmuNSEQGY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e01bGjIUJ-w
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAs2yQUNkdU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3YWr4dTkbU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxngeI7JhDQ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D525Y9OP4xI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YapsFDcGe_s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81OgWRCXcgY
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17727/#msg17727
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg20455/#msg20455
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSIzKaqvySM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgnMSZD0wJU
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/remembering-the-yugoslav-wars/msg108/#msg108
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-relativism/msg19667/#msg19667
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LbxbZVSHA0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXmQZycXWFc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJVYQnOrf0Q
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QMckTsfXYg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-h1w2Sn7s8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JAvWmsX0Lc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUtOGPO4pIU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcb21ldLdNg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgDNTOB88P4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71NSpytZnJM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImFzCd2iUQU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0djx2cpjto
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kezi44jdoV8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQItfi8WsK8
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Here is my reply.
"I'm actually wondering whether we should start a topic solely for posting Counterculture-era commercials. What do you think?"
Do it. I would like to see what other products were promoted during Counterculture era.
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To tie up another loose end, two of the Polygram grand collaboration became a couple in real life:
(https://image.hkhl.hk/f/1024p0/0x0/100/none/ca10b76271e16ed51769417711028c2d/2023-01/winnie20.jpg)
and released a tastefully humble duet to mark their marriage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKFEMGIXLJ4
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Wing was the song that got Chinen onto the Oricon Top 10 for the first time. Being in a toiletry commercial probably helped:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0OC3POBSVc
Commercials were frequently a factor in propelling performers to iconic status back in those days. I guess I should also repost:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg4548/#msg4548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaTXjrW7l8E
I'm actually wondering whether we should start a topic solely for posting Counterculture-era commercials. What do you think?
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"These always struck me as rather dull:"
Probably because they feel more like instruments playing than a musical experience. It's like that version of one of the songs you posted:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg20974/#msg20974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqbnRPq66lA
"perhaps you might also like the prior single:
...
Do you?"
I do. I have heard Chinen's music ever since you recommended it to me, including 'Wings'. The song has a good tone, the rhythm is bouncy and calming, there is some emotional impact, and it fits well with the MV. Whereas 'Be Yourself' took place by a field, 'Wings' took place by a beach. How much water is in it feels like one of those water-filled gravure presentations you posted.
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"I'm assuming not even D&D could coincide with truly Countercultural music."
I am willing to include it.
"What is D&D at best and at worst?"
These were pretty good:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg19259/#msg19259
These always struck me as rather dull:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRk2IEoPEao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTuYKilSAoM
(Still, nothing will top the humiliation that was:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg19277/#msg19277 )
Also, to tie up a earlier loose end, since you mentioned that you like:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg19888/#msg19888
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV8dsvS-zeQ
perhaps you might also like the prior single:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwvKi9ToKHc
Do you?
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I'm assuming not even D&D could coincide with truly Countercultural music.
What is D&D at best and at worst?
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"only released one album (being low in quantity) leading them to be a unit to remember (being high in quality)."
Never mind one album, one numinous song is all you need to have a permanent place in the Counterculture musical pantheon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ-3P7amTao
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"It is up to you. I prefer dialogue, but I can always just go back to posting whatever I am listening to myself."
We can end it here for now. If I have something to talk about, I will start it. But for now, I might take a break.
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"I would feel hyped when my favorite people are together."
This effect is even stronger when it crosses national lines. I posted a bunch of examples over here (in the first video, which is a full movie, skip to 1:25:44 for the duet):
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/japan-to-export-jets-missiles-to-12-nations-bid-to-counter-belligerent-china-in-/msg15879/#msg15879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e8TlSf7V6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAbHfOOkdK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_1LWDMCSio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhQp0Ra-RwU
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Nt411v7EX/
"should we end right here?"
It is up to you. I prefer dialogue, but I can always just go back to posting whatever I am listening to myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foVVdvOYJfQ
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"Perhaps it is the collaborative element itself? People working together for a special occasion have a different chemistry compared to people (e.g. a band/group) who work together all the time."
I guess when something exciting or energetic is done for a special occasion, it generates excitement. Similarly D&D, despite being rookies, only released one album (being low in quantity) leading them to be a unit to remember (being high in quality).
K-pop companies do not learn from it. Though companies like YG intend to be about quality over quantity, the amount of releases of energetic music does not generate the same quality enjoyment as D&D and the first three collaborations. Even their wardrobe is Eurocentric. That has not stopped spoiled K-pop fans from demanding Blackpink to release a comeback:
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/blackpink-fans-protest-yg-entertainment-8546381/
"The next grand collaboration after these three was indescribably inferior, and my theory might account for why."
That is almost exactly like all those K-pop idol MVs. The party music, embellished sets, quantity classifications of cinematography and editing, and even their face shapes are low in quality. Though I do not have as much prior knowledge on the artists of the first three collaborations either, I would feel hyped when my favorite people are together. Even then, that should also be saved for special occasions.
I am learning a lot from our conversation and I feel inspired. However, since all good things must come to an end, should we end right here?
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"Frankly, I wasn't sure what the term was for the two collabs that make them different from other cliche dance songs. What would make an energetic song work better than another energetic song? What did the collab have that other energetic songs do not have?"
Perhaps it is the collaborative element itself? People working together for a special occasion have a different chemistry compared to people (e.g. a band/group) who work together all the time. From the perspective of the audience, seeing them on-screen together might also generate a foundational excitement, similar to crossover excitement in fiction (when characters from one franchise appear in a different franchise). Even the MV editing staff might be affected by this and thus edit more attentively than usual (note in all three collaboration the use of extremely rapid cuts that however do not feel messy).
The next grand collaboration after these three was indescribably inferior, and my theory might account for why. Startup label Go East stupidly decided to use four rookies instead of using established artists. Since this was practically their first job, it did not feel like a special occasion for them, thus no special occasion chemistry. From the perspective of the audience, since we have no prior memory of them in solo work, there is no crossover excitement either - instead, we viewed them as if they were a group. The result? Sorry to make you listen to this crap (note also the slower cut rate in the MV, but still more messy feel - clearly even the editing staff were uninspired):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6GnOAdBsJM
(And what's with the choice of set? The other three chose sensible sets (street, ball court, disco) and this one went with..... canyons (wtf?!?))
Anyway, after this one, there were no more grand collaborations. Way to deflate the entire trend in one blow.....
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"This is the case with Yeung, who clearly never even bothered to understand what the song is supposed to be about and is merely transferring the lyrics straight off the page into the mic via her mouth."
I understand. Yeung is innocent, but Kwan and Fan are more sensitive.
"Which is why for a few years she specialized in children's songs:"
I did not know that, but it makes sense.
"who found her true voice by attending a concert of her own idol:"
So in other words, the radical individualist approach works for vocal training.
"Having once found her true voice, she thereafter never changed it again, which is what I support."
I guess that is the closest thing to neoteny that vocal training can do.
"Where does this earliest one (Kwok being one of the participants) fall along your casualness spectrum compared to the other two?"
The earliest feels more casual than Polygram's collab in terms of how toned down it was, but Polygram's feels more casual for how much fun and emotion it feels to have. But either way, they are both less casual than Capital's later collab due to its emotion.
Frankly, I wasn't sure what the term was for the two collabs that make them different from other cliche dance songs. What would make an energetic song work better than another energetic song? What did the collab have that other energetic songs do not have?
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"Kwan's voice has more innocence than Yeung's"
Sensitivity =/= innocence. It is possible to be innocent precisely due to lack of sensitivity, by not even noticing things that the more sensitive have already noticed. This is the case with Yeung, who clearly never even bothered to understand what the song is supposed to be about and is merely transferring the lyrics straight off the page into the mic via her mouth. She is innocent(!) of the meaning of the song. That is not a compliment.
"Fan's who sounds like she retained it from childhood"
Which is why for a few years she specialized in children's songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21u1_SRIkyI
from which she got her iconic concert-finisher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StAJmSX5Jdc
"Vocal training and care should not try to change one's voice or 'improve' it, but to prevent damage to their current voice.
I disagree. Some of the ultimately best singers started off with a voice that was unable to fully express the emotions they had inside them. In such cases they benefited from the change to their voice that happened during their career. The most legendary example is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz5eli-NZ1M
who found her true voice by attending a concert of her own idol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtDca-6nGBQ
during which as a fan in the audience she cheered so loudly for the duration of the concert that the next day her voice had changed and she was finally able to sing the way she wanted to in her mind. Thus she credits her idol for magically gifting her true voice to her through his music. (Miraculous anecdotes such as these abounded during the Counterculture era.) Having once found her true voice, she thereafter never changed it again, which is what I support.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnYpl2Ef3f4
Of course I agree that if you are fortunate enough to start your career with a voice that already matches your inner personality, you should not try to expand it. But not every singer is so fortunate. If they were not allowed to find their true voice, they would have to adjust their songs to suit their starting voice, which would mean their songs become less sincere as well!
"the vibe felt more casual and day-like than the dance songs by Amuro and Kwok. The video also suits the song. D&D also feels more casual for dance music. Why is that?"
Actually, that one itself was Polygram's response to the following earlier collaboration by Capital:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmR5LUICCaY
which then incited Capital to counter-respond with its second one. Where does this earliest one (Kwok being one of the participants) fall along your casualness spectrum compared to the other two?
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"See what I mean?"
I see that even though Kwan's voice has more innocence than Yeung's, Kwan still has a hint of maturity compared to Fan's who sounds like she retained it from childhood. That gives me a thought. Vocal training and care should not try to change one's voice or 'improve' it, but to prevent damage to their current voice. On the other hand, could her vegetarianism be the reason for her voice?
"Kudo responded deftly with a single whose A-side demonstrated that she could beat the dance-freaks at their own speciality any day she wanted to:
...
more importantly whose B-side pointed back to what truly timeless music sounds like:"
Though Kudo's A-side was more organic than Amuro's song while still being danceable, we can judge the emotion of the B-side better since it does not have an added dance beat.
"since you like energetic dance songs, what do you think of the following two (rivalling) grand collaborations?"
I remember when you posted it when you were contrasting them to K-pop music. Here's my comment on them. Along with the first song, 'Wou Bom Ba', the vibe felt more casual and day-like than the dance songs by Amuro and Kwok. The video also suits the song. D&D also feels more casual for dance music. Why is that?
As for the second song 'Ai Qing Shang Lian La La La', it was more casual and organic and had more emotion than the first one.
Here is something else I thought. Similar to how ballads are more timeless than dance songs, acoustic music is also more timeless than electronic music. I do not know how fair it is to judge instrumentation since all instruments have their individualities, but electronic instruments needs more energy and thus being more complex and with less quality than acoustic instruments. Post-Renaissance instruments like the harpsichord and piano are also less convenient than pre-Renaissance instruments. I assume instruments like the harp also became heavy and inconvenient by the Renaissance. The DAWless trend uses electronic instruments that are smaller and more convenient, which probably explained the Synth-pop movement of the 1980s:
The emergence of synth-pop has been described as "perhaps the single most significant event in melodic music since Mersey-beat". By the 1980s synthesizers had become much cheaper and easier to use. After the definition of MIDI in 1982 and the development of digital audio, the creation of purely electronic sounds and their manipulation became much simpler. Synthesizers came to dominate the pop music of the early 1980s, particularly through their adoption by bands of the New Romantic movement.
So in order for a culture to happen, it must be accessible. It is a part of:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/simple-living-movements/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMgH001uykU
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg2424/#msg2424
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg11099/#msg11099
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg20455/#msg20455
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17635/#msg17635
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"The first singer sounded more motherly while the second singer, Kwan, sounded more childlike. There is more emotion and innocence in Kwan's voice."
There is no doubt that Kwan excels in vocal sensitivity, but childlike is not how I perceive her singing; on the contrary, I perceive a weariness embedded in her sensitivity. In the above cover she only applies it partially, but I still get the feeling that she is reminiscing a more innocent time in the past, as opposed to being innocent in the present. In her own work she goes all the way with this sentiment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjWL1P5y4iE
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18964/#msg18964
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17680/#msg17680
However, this difference is inadequately highlighted so long as she is placed alongside singers who do not even have the elementary vocal sensitivity to work with in the first place. What we really need is to contrast her against another singer on a similar level of vocal sensitivity but expressing a more childlike sentiment. I might just have the perfect example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H1TzLiYlU0
See what I mean?
See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dietary-decolonization/msg15609/#msg15609
"Though I am a fan of energetic and danceable music, there is something about a good quality ballad that feels magical."
Definitely! It is common for artists who debuted as dancers and then transitioned to singing to rely on dance songs for publicity at the time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q44ehrd0g1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTj52-2AtnE
but after the dust has settled be remembered for their ballads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8PrYEcVSUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFgsJysVwNc
Back when there was a trend that made it seem like the only fashionable music was dance music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf0go4y1eoo
Kudo responded deftly with a single whose A-side demonstrated that she could beat the dance-freaks at their own speciality any day she wanted to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0iPXABXFZk
but, with that minor detail out of the way ( ;D ), more importantly whose B-side pointed back to what truly timeless music sounds like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW4QUgUGXbQ
By the way, since you like energetic dance songs, what do you think of the following two (rivalling) grand collaborations?
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg4150/#msg4150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHA3mOYPyEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXPgrCd1qUA
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"This was the norm for thousands of years before recording existed!"
This gives me a thought. Individual with fewer talents contribute more to their talents than an individual with more talents do to their talents. One reason why Nakata's music (including his songs made for Perfume) sounds mediocre is because he does more than just music. Not to recommend anymore music from him, but in one of his 'golden rules' at 6:33 (note the low quality aesthetics) (Mute your audio if you need to.):
https://youtu.be/5WMyjU5RweU?t=393
So in other words, he does not even contribute that much to music. You can tell from the art direction, the overly compressed production and even his clothes that his aesthetics are spiritless. Wagner on the other hand did not intend to create his total artwork by himself. Hitler did not intend to create his whole NS state by himself either, as he simply approved of the architecture, uniforms, art, propaganda, politics, etc.
"Case study:
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steamrolled for eternity by:"
The first singer sounded more motherly while the second singer, Kwan, sounded more childlike. There is more emotion and innocence in Kwan's voice.
"Even more fun is when you commission a song from a composer, release it:
...
and then the composer himself(!) releases his own infinitely superior version to show the world how it was meant to sound:"
I would be happy to comment on the composition since I love compositions. The first version was a good simple start but it did need improvement. As for the second version, it sounded like it was grown out of the composer's imagination. Though I am a fan of energetic and danceable music, there is something about a good quality ballad that feels magical.
Something I learned about art. Simpler aesthetics are quicker to create. But when a relatively simple aesthetic takes the same amount of time to create as a relatively complex aesthetic, the former has more quality than the latter.
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"Could the same be said for performers to concentrate on performing?"
This was the norm for thousands of years before recording existed!
"What about those who are required to get the effect by a due date?"
If you have to release a certain number of songs by the deadline but you have a really good one that you want to work on more, you can just release a different one (mediocre if need be) for the deadline instead and hold onto the good one for a subsequent release, thereby gaining additional time to work on it.
The main point is, once you release, there's no taking it back: you are declaring that this is the best version of this particular song that you are able to produce. In other words, if someone else then covers it better than you, you are permanently owned. Case study:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm0QAEC2IDE
steamrolled for eternity by:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEqfLnbm3RQ
;D
Even more fun is when you commission a song from a composer, release it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqbnRPq66lA
and then the composer himself(!) releases his own infinitely superior version to show the world how it was meant to sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgjyNOpPWI
;D
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18920/#msg18920
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"back then it was a viable path for some musicians to be literal recording artists who concentrated primarily on recording:"
Could the same be said for performers to concentrate on performing?
"Some people like to try over and over until they get exactly the effect they want."
What about those who are required to get the effect by a due date? Because that was the point I was trying to make. Rather than practicing over and over until they get their effect by their own pace, some artists are challenged to get their effect by a certain deadline. If I am wrong, explain.
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"gig"
There is also a difference between recording and live performance. These days it is expected that you have to do both, but back then it was a viable path for some musicians to be literal recording artists who concentrated primarily on recording:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsx0DY4eOCU
And why not? Some people like to try over and over until they get exactly the effect they want. It is an artistically respectable attitude! Film actors are not less respectable than stage actors, so why should studio musicians be less respectable than stage musicians?
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Here is my reply.
Those were sincere songs. I liked the third song, the last build of momentum. One thing I see in the music you like is that they were easy to follow along. You cannot get that with most of today's electronic music. Even Counterculture electronic music was that simple. This reminds me of a quote about northern and southern climates:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/temperature-effects/msg20860/#msg20860
People in the north had to evolve not just the intelligence to build shelter, make warm clothes, and invent weapons for killing big game. They had to think ahead, and this is one of the most important human traits.
...
How much better would the world be with less thinking ahead?
From that logic, a good song requires less deadline-based rehearsals. Deadlines reflects an artist's skill but limits their imagination. I believe a true rehearsal should not have a due date to complete by, but rather be a lifestyle. That way the artist/performer can go by their own pace and will also feel more prepared when a gig comes. Not only that but it will feel less like work and more like a hobby (contrast with an artist/performer who rehearses just for one gig).
What do you guys think? This topic does not have to be between me and 90sRF. It could use other people too.
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Due to failure to get a dialogue going at an acceptable pace:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/questions-regarding-aryanism/msg20945/#msg20945
I will henceforth when no one is replying just be posting whatever I am listening to myself at the time, thereby enabling regular addition of new content. This will unfortunately also mean minimal commentary, as it is hard to know what to say without prompting. Nevertheless, feel free to interrupt at any time with requests for elaboration from previous posts (no matter how far back!) and I will be more than happy to digress to go in-depth on particular artists for as long as there is interest, or connect smoothly from one to another (rivalries, collaborations, etc.) as the discussion may take us.
Let's start by building some momentum!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OALH0LA-Ns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u1jZA6WuH8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAa-dpIMdj8
And now let's dial the momentum back down a bit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvv26IcZ2I8
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Yamaguchi was most certainly not specifically a singer. Her Akai series of dramas dominated the 70s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_PhyXBHVhk
The heroine archetype that she established would go on to be imitated for many years after her early retirement*. (Only Minamino (to her credit) ignored it and thus belatedly brought in the 80s archetype.) The way I would describe it is that it took Kudo and Minamino combined to dethrone Yamaguchi, the former displacing her musically and the latter dramatically. This in itself is a tribute to Yamaguchi's outsized impact in pop culture.
(* This was also Yamaguchi's wisest move, as it meant the world would never have to watch her decline.)
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"Minamino does not even come close to Kudo in terms of strictly musical significance. The ones to meaningfully compare to Kudo (the Purple Queen) are her predecessors Yamaguchi (the White Queen), Matsuda (the Red Queen) and Nakamori (the Black Queen). Of course Kudo remains my personal favourite among these."
I see. If there is one thing I can learn from that quote, it is to judge individuals of a similar association and not to judge different associations. Whereas Kudo shares a common result with Minamino, Asaka and Nakayama (Four Divas), Kudo shares a common cause with Yamaguchi, Matsuda and Nakamori (who were more specifically singers), so comparing the difference between Kudo and the former three is not as effective as comparing Kudo with the latter three.
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"I know you would listen to Minamino and Kudo"
I listen to Minamino's Sukeban-Deka-related songs only:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg18991/#msg18991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucxUktvGg_k
whereas I listen to all of Kudo's early (2000 and before) solo work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAC3X-bipvQ
and am happy to recommend more here if you or others want me to.
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17852/#msg17852
Minamino does not even come close to Kudo in terms of strictly musical significance. The ones to meaningfully compare to Kudo (the Purple Queen) are her predecessors Yamaguchi (the White Queen), Matsuda (the Red Queen) and Nakamori (the Black Queen) each of whom was at one time the top female singer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOosQoScFfU
But considering total significance in pop culture as a whole, Minamino easily catches up on account of Sukeban Deka II, which is the definitive epic of Counterculture-era Japan:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg18991/#msg18991
compared to which Kudo's best drama:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg19002/#msg19002
is decidedly minor in impact.
Overall, both are deservedly among the greatest icons of that era.
"but would the quote mean you would listen to Nakayama and Asaka?"
I listen to Asaka's Sukeban-Deka-related songs only, though her own season (III) sucked (her best contribution to the franchise was in Minamino's movie - I just watch that and her own movie and pretend III never happened). In my opinion, she rode Minamino's coattails to fame.
Nakayama I proudly avoid like the plague.
"Speaking of J-pop, what artists would you recommend from the compilation mentioned here:"
I have already recommended them!
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Something I read on the Wikipedia for Sukeban Deka actor Yoko Minamino is that she was considered as one of the shitennou (others in bold):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoko_Minamino#History
Along with Shizuka Kudo, Miho Nakayama, and Yui Asaka, Minamino was considered one of the Four Divas (四天王, Shitennō) of the time until she temporarily suspended her career in 1992.
I know you would listen to Minamino and Kudo, but would the quote mean you would listen to Nakayama and Asaka?
Speaking of J-pop, what artists would you recommend from the compilation mentioned here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg18865/#msg18865
https://www.discogs.com/master/1333715-Various-Velfarre-J-Pop-Night-Presents-Dance-With-You
?
Edit: Please move this to:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/
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"what have you listened to at the moment?"
I just posted it above!
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg20169/#msg20169
But that was while writing that post. Now at the moment of writing this post, I am listening to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gav5QlXLSVQ
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17777/#msg17777
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"I meant inside this topic"
Thanks for making it clear.
"Elsewhere I post whatever suits the occasion."
So if an individual from Tokyo does something noble, even a song that is complex, like 「TOKYO GIRL」 by Perfume, could do for other topics?
"should I just post whatever I myself am listening to in private at the moment of posting?"
I made this topic for any music recommendation, whether it is songs, pieces, or even OSTs from games, films, TV shows or theatre. As long as it's music, this is the place for it. I also made for people to have a better understanding of music in general.
But if you would like to tell me, what have you listened to at the moment?
"I am ready to post more Counterculture-era music"
How would you contrast modern South Korean music with Counterculture examples? Would artists like Seo Taiji and SM Entertainment's 90s artists (e.g. H.O.T, S.E.S.) be the examples. If not, would the examples be Trot or something else?
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I meant inside this topic I wouldn't be recommending post-Counterculture-era music. Elsewhere I post whatever suits the occasion.
Back here, I am ready to post more Counterculture-era music. I am just waiting for the discussion to continue so I can post along with it! Without an ongoing discussion, it is harder to decide what to post. More duets? More song dramas? Or should I just post whatever I myself am listening to in private at the moment of posting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3hm0qKIDkQ
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I saw in this recent post:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/refugees-welcome/msg20151/#msg20151
after you quoted the good news that happened for refugees in New York (which I'm happy about), you put a post-Counterculture song to celebrate. Why is that? I just thought you wouldn't recommend post-Counterculture era music.
I understand that there has been no high points or respectable works in any field since 9/11, but from this past era, what post-Counterculture music do you (or did you) have hope for?
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I actually would have preferred Lufkin to have never got involved (though with Komuro being her boss she didn't really have a choice) with 1998 FIFA World Cup music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLKBqhEp_uM
which tried to be epic (in particular, to cater to Western audiences) and ended up being a pretentious embarassment, comparing especially unfavourably with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J__OgqG1CXs
which set out to make fun of the whole event (catering purely to local audiences) and ended up becoming a festive classic. This goes back to what I was saying about how catering to Western audiences never ends well (but laughing at them - note the MV's inclusion of deliberately excessive quantities of Western architecture, but shot in humour, to say nothing of opening the arrangement with the French national anthem - can work wonders!).
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"Had it tried to continue, it might have been pressured to adapt to subsequent trends."
Then the quality of their music stood out.
"I don't think this is a good comparison. Serious artists typically need a lot of privacy. Arranging for them to live together would lead to all kinds of extra trouble."
I see. It does seem less stressful for an artist/viewer to be alone, that way they can only deal with the art. As for me when I have space and listen to music or enjoy art, I do have a vivid imagination, and when I sense something that does not fit in with my music and imagination, I feel quite disturbed.
Maybe people destined to be artists probably shouldn't have roommates, that way their spiritual quality improves at their pace.
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"D&D has more emotion and simplicity in their music, and not to mention it's much neater and higher quality than Perfume's music."
It is probably a good thing that D&D ended before the Counterculture era ended. Had it tried to continue, it might have been pressured to adapt to subsequent trends. As it is, at least we can remember it as an untainted phenomenon marking the last few years before the collapse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neOPI1i0yi4
"Living with roommates"
I don't think this is a good comparison. Serious artists typically need a lot of privacy. Arranging for them to live together would lead to all kinds of extra trouble. Indeed this is why they need managers/agents/PAs/etc. to keep them from having to interact with the outside world more than is necessary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpO2aseO_u0
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D&D, though where that sexist Eurocentrist Nakata got its influence for Perfume's "Techno-pop" concept, sounded much different from Perfume. D&D has more emotion and simplicity in their music, and not to mention it's much neater and higher quality than Perfume's music.
There's a practice in Western classical music that has revived in the EDM scene (which probably came from Aristotelean philosophy). Tension and release. Where it is the duty of a viewer to judge art for what it demonstrates, tension and release (also known as the build and drop in EDM culture) is an auditory illustration that makes it difficult to judge the demonstration, which lies the artist's intent to manipulate our reactions (Jewish tendency). On the other hand, I'd prefer it if it was done to demonstrate a song's value or to narrate a play or movie (which most of the time, it doesn't).
D&D, despite their music's genre being EDM, had less tension and release, which makes it easier to judge the emotion in their music.
"I like this approach (as opposed to everyone doing their own ads) as [sharing ad space] generates an atmosphere of solidarity between artists."
Not to mention it requires less work to put up. Living with roommates demonstrate the same purpose since it builds an alliance between the people living while requiring less work to live in (which both practices suit well for:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/simple-living-movements/
).
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I will probably not be recommending any post-Counterculture-era music.
"Electronic Dance Music."
I'm not really a fan of this genre myself, but do you know D&D?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYgISZciQow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3dFfU5qnvE
They were also in the compilation that I mentioned here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18865/#msg18865
https://www.discogs.com/master/1333715-Various-Velfarre-J-Pop-Night-Presents-Dance-With-You
They often shared ad space with Chinen back in those days. Example:
(https://img.aucfree.com/v730387127.1.jpg)
I like this approach (as opposed to everyone doing their own ads) as it generates an atmosphere of solidarity between artists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_fQjULSgfA
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Since you gave examples of both Western and non-Western games in both Counterculture and post-Counterculture eras here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-games-to-play/msg19217/#msg19217
The same divergence can be seen in wrestling games.
1990s Western:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lZDmltCIfg
1990s non-Western:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3LF4tIELpg
2010s Western:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqCmqmS10So
2010s non-Western:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5XjVIJif_w
What would be your examples in music (both Western and non-Western music from both 1990s and 2010s)?
Edit: Since you were mentioning wrestling as a game genre, I was thinking of suggesting a music genre. For example, Electronic Dance Music.
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"back in the 90s I mainly relied on radio and TV shows, as well as sampling booths in CD stores."
What in today's time would you say works like radio, TV and CD stores where the person runs it for the viewers?
Whet Moser
I heard Moser worked for a Jewish company:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/whet-moser-14111530
Editorial assistant
World Jewish Digest
Jul 2005 - Mar 2006 9 months
"neither of whom are the same person as Chinen:"
The picture of Chinen looked so authentic I'm satisfied.
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"does Drill have that 'spirit' you described in pre-colonial aesthetic superiority?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_music
Whet Moser wrote that Keef's songs are "lyrically, rhythmically, and emotionally diminished, which is why they sound so airless and claustrophobic ... It's not even fatalistic, because that would imply a self-consciousness, a moral consideration, that isn't there in the lyrics. It just is, over and over again."[25]
"If going to the country isn't your way of finding good artists, then how do you find good artists?"
Nowadays with YouTube etc. it is easy to find most stuff online, but back in the 90s I mainly relied on radio and TV shows, as well as sampling booths in CD stores.
"MAX (Chinen's girl group)"
No.
"Wait was it the same Rina?"
There is no Rina in MAX. There is a Lina and a Reina:
(https://i.imgur.com/cwNh15c.png)
(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fimage%2Fpng%2Fd9b1656fb85f944287ffbb02d2a7a5b655d10b85_r.png&hash=f4d52a7dd7382fa86fca3af9f5ad77ad6aa7fa68)
neither of whom are the same person as Chinen:
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yrAAAOSwgCxj5u8u/s-l1600.jpg)
The closest Chinen came to collaborating with MAX was a compilation:
https://www.discogs.com/master/1333715-Various-Velfarre-J-Pop-Night-Presents-Dance-With-You
which wasn't much good anyway.
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Wait was it the same Rina? Like Perfume, Chinen went to Okinawa Actors School. The difference is that Chinen was Counterculture.
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But Perfume isn't to blame for their music. The blame is their producer, Yasutaka Nakata. Perfume has had some songs that weren't made by Nakata, which were 'Omajinai Perori', 'Kareshi Bochuchu' and 'AkihabaLove'.
BTW I'm listening to a 1996 album by MAX (Chinen's girl group), and it's good.
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So if YMO appealed to their home area than overseas, then they could've appealed better to your taste? Ok, so I guess if I want to listen to new music, then Drill and Jersey Club (the public aesthetic in NY) can be my new music. No, I actually do remember liking Drill music, and I still kinda like it. It's energetic, fast pace and clubby, except does Drill have that 'spirit' you described in pre-colonial aesthetic superiority?
I'm also thinking I have to go to Japan in order to know what artists are actually better. If going to the country isn't your way of finding good artists, then how do you find good artists?
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"Do you consider Yellow Magic Orchestra to be Counterculture?"
This is complicated. In terms of motivation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Magic_Orchestra
they were "tired" of Japanese musicians imitating Western and American music at the time and so they wanted to "make something very original from Japan."[49]
but this ironically made YMO more widely known in the West (due to implicitly Orientalist audiences seeking exoticism):
performing to sold-out crowds during tours in the United States and Europe.[6] The single "Computer Game" had sold 400,000 copies in the United States[6] and reached No. 17 in the UK Charts.
than many of their contemporaries whose more locally limited audience led to them ultimately typifying Jpop to a greater extent in the long-term. This is a recurring phenomenon throughout non-Western pop culture:
1) A producer in a Westernized country tries to be non-Western.
2) Orientalist consumers in the West like the product because it (trying to be non-Western) feels exotic.
3) Eurocentrist local consumers observe the producer's prestige in the West and consequently overrate the producer.
4) The producer, in order to maintain their overrated status, ends up catering more to consumers in the West than to local consumers.
5) The local consumers (continuing to overrate the producer) accept this and hence end up adapting their tastes to match those of their counterparts in the West.
6) Thus the producer who set out to be non-Western ends up Orientalizing the local consumer market instead of genuinely nationalizing it.
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To admit it, you have a better taste in aesthetics than me. Last night I was confused because Perfume was the only artist I would listen to, due to how familiar I was with them. Now embodying your taste, it's kinda torture. But I don't know where to start fresh.
The artist you posted admittedly sounded awesome due to how organic it sounds, but it's not my style. I like a lot of disco and synth-pop and their derivatives. I also like pop vocal artists (specifically groups) that dance. K-pop does count, but it's too Turanized. If I was mentioning Counterculture-era examples, Michael and Janet Jackson are my favorite artists. Their dances are fun. Their music is unifying. Their concepts are creative. Their wardrobe is neat. Do you consider Yellow Magic Orchestra to be Counterculture?
Thank you for your fair opinion. I'm always willing to improve.
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"these are my examples"
I painfully listened to all of them and came out the other side proud to not share your tastes.
"would you rather prefer the Counterculture influenced examples where Electro House progressivism didn't influence the composition yet?"
I do not consider any of your examples to be discernibly Counterculture-influenced.
As far as I am concerned, the last respectable Jpop artist was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAtgYY55XdM
Romantic magnum opus (healing my faith in true love since 1998):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwU6h10TWlQ
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Moving my examples from:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/the-superiority-of-pre-colonial-aesthetics/
Definitely not for enjoyment. Because it sounds spiritless (spirit as described above):
Polyrhythm does sound overproduced with its instrumentation not sounding clear or simple, but Polyrhythm was their most famous song (released in the late 2000s when Counterculture was almost completely transitioned), and I remember listening it wasn't my most favorite. However, these are my examples, starting with the Counterculture influenced songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7Aubpgyto
Their outfits were simpler and in unity. There were 3D graphics in the backdrop, but it's not that much realistic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMlbl-cAHGk
The images in 0:09 , 0:55 and 2:35 were Counterculture influenced. Others weren't.
This modern example isn't so perfect, but it got me into Perfume. Besides it is a little less grandiose than Polyrhythm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Ux_h7aeOM
Their outfits can improve but it's still possible to emulate. Also that the villain was wearing a Western suit.
In faith to your anti-progressive movement, would you rather prefer the Counterculture influenced examples where Electro House progressivism didn't influence the composition yet?