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Title: Communism
Post by: guest30 on July 11, 2022, 11:22:32 am
This is the real teachings of Communism

Communism is Oppressive

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Important Transcript :

"Wherever the movement followed the vision of its founding father, it tended to become a morally corrupting force in both the Communist and socialist parties. Honorable and decent people were drawn into these movements by revulsion against class and racial oppression, by compassion for the poor, or perhaps by a moral anger against injustices springing from inequality. As they became indoctrinated into the Communist, or Marxist, movement, these motivations were slowly changed. The recruits were subjected to a type of indoctrination tantamount to progressive moral corruption. Those who resisted this process tended either to drop out of the movement or else they never advanced within it to the echelons of real power."

Source : Karl Marx Racist by Nathaniel Weyl, page 24

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Important Transcript :

"Now this midwifery means in essence a prohibition of any sort of creative or positive social action. True Marxists will urge reforms only if they believe that their advocacy will hasten the triumph of communism. If the proposed action is constructive, they will generally condemn it on the grounds that it will prolong the life of capitalism. One of the first things Communists are taught is not to give money to beggars. Christian charity is not only useless, it is evil. Let the poor starve: one hopes their hunger and misery will drive them to revolt."

Source : Karl Marx Racist by Nathaniel Weyl, page 20


Communism is White Nationalism's Democratic Socialism


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Important Transcript :

"As for the majority of mankind, it lived under “ahistoric" conditions which Marx and Engels generally termed "Asiatic despotism." The practical consequence was that these native peoples stood outside the theatre of history. They were obstacles to the coming revolution. After the victory of the latter, they would have to be ruled by some sort of consortium, composed of the proletarian dictatorships of the advanced countries of Europe, the United States, Canada, and the other white British dominions. This external domination would continue for an indefinite period.

Race hatred and race oppression, the justification of foreign conquest and of white colonialism, the denial of the right of nonwhite peoples to national independence, relentless terror against nations, peoples and races whom Marx and Engels despised, a policy of war and conquest that would ensure that other such peoples "disappear from the face of the earth"— these ideas constitute a generally suppressed portion of the enormous literacy legacy which Marx and Engels left behind them"

Source : Karl Marx Racist by Nathaniel Weyl, page 23

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Important Transcript :

"What is considerably more important is that most of the actual thoughts of Marx and Engels remain a closed book to the great majority of their contemporary followers in the free world. (Communists who live in the USSR, by the way, were not allowed to read what Marx and Engels wrote and thought about Russia at least as late as 1952.") The private thoughts of the founders of so-called scientific socialism are largely contained in the four volumes of letters which Marx and Engels exchanged. These letters have, for understandable reasons, not been translated into English." If they had gone through the available material, these Communists and socialists would have discovered that the founders of "scientific socialism” enthusiastically approved of the American military defeat of Mexico and the annexation of Texas and California. They welcomed the French conquest of Algeria. They considered British rule in India no doubt cruel and oppressive, but historically progressive."

Marx and Engels envisaged a world dominated by the revolutionary proletariat of Western Europe and the overseas areas of Anglo-Saxon colonization."

Source : Karl Marx Racist by Nathaniel Weyl, page 24

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Important Transcript :

Notes
1. Marx to Engels, June 18. 1862.

2. The "rice Christians" were impoverished Asiatics who professed Christianity to get bowls of rice from missionaries.

3. Bertram D. Wolfe, "Das /Capital. One Hundred Years Later," Antioch Review. Winter 1966-67. pp. 421-41.

4. Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844. MEGA. Ill, 112-13. I have used the translation of Robert Tucker. Philosophy and Myth in Karl Marx (Cambridge: University Press, 1961), p. 155.

5. Marx-Engels, Collected Works. III. 294-95.

6. Marx-Engels correspondence, February 9. i860.July 14.1859.June 9, 1858. June 27, i860. February 5, 1865, and February 4. i860.

7. Engels to Marx. October 2, 1866.

8. Engels to Conrad Schmidt, August 5, 1890. See also Saul Padover, Kart Marx, an Intimate Biography (New' York: McGraw-Hill. 1978), p. 502

9. Engels lo August Bebel, November 17, 1885. Marx-Engels. Bnefe an Rebel. Liebknecht. Kautsky und Andere (Moscow: State Publishing House. 1933). p. 412.

10. NRZ. August 12, 1848.

11. Karl Marx, Exzerpte from H. J. S. Maine, Lectures on the Early History of Institutions Cited by Norman Levine, The Tragic Deception: Marx Contra Engels (Santa Barbara:Clio Books, 1974), p, 92.

12. NRZ. February 15, 1849. Emphasis in the original Cited by Bertram D Wolfe, Marx¬ ism: One Hundred Years in the Life of a Doctrine (London: Chapman & Hall, 1967). p. 39

13. /hid. Not much should be made of the fact that the author of this article was not Marx but Engels. The editorial structure of Die Neue Rheinische Zeitung was "simply the dictatorship of Marx," Engels later recollected. (Of course, the Poles were also Slavs, but this apparent logical inconsistency did not seem to bother Engels and Marx.)

14. Marx, Second Address to the First International, Marx-Engels, Selected Works (New York: International Publishers, 1933, 2 vols.,), II. 446-52.

15. NRZ February 16, 1849.

16. See, for example. Engels to Karl Kautsky, September t2, 1882.

17. Paul W Blackstock and Bert F. Hoselitz, eds., Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, The Russian Menace to Europe (Glencoe: Free Press, 1952), write: "The writings of Marx and Engels on Russia with very few exceptions cannot be published in Russia [p 17]."

18. Selected editions of the correspondence have, of course, been published in English. Eventually, the English edition of the Collected Works will presumably issue all the letters which were not destroyed by Engels. Laura Lafargue, Eleanor Marx-Aveling and those successive custodians of the flame, both socialist and Communist, into whose hands the manuscripts have passed.

19. Quoted in Max Nomad, Apostles of Revolution (Boston: Little, Brown & Co., 1939), p 199.

20. Karl August Wittfogel, Oriental Despotism: a Comparative Study of Total Power (New Haven Yale University Press, 1957.)

21 Oulanem is available in English in the Collected Works, vol. I, and in an earlier translation by Robert Payne, The Unknown Karl Marx (New York: New York University Press, 1971), pp. 65-94-

22. As late as 1930, John Maynard Keynes in the second volume of his Treatise on Money would classify Marx as belonging to the underworld of economic theory and lump him with such monetary crackpots as Silvio Gcsell and Major Douglas. Of course, with the growth of Communist world power, all that has changed Everything that Marx wrote is today treated with the greatest respect, if not reverence, in university circles. Those who believe that the occupants of the groves of the academy are too noble to prostitute themselves before power have lost touch with reality.

23. MEW. XXXV, 326. 427

Note : Citations number 22 and 23 on the book page 29


Communism Support Slavery for the Sake the Continuation of Western Civilization

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Important Transcript :

"Without slavery, North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe out North America from the map of the world and you will have anarchy— the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Abolish slavery and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.10- Karl Heinrich Marx

What Marx was saying in effect was that Negro slaves were needed to produce raw cotton; cotton was the basic raw material of modern capitalist industry; therefore, Negro slavery was necessary to the survival of America and to the survival of modern civilization.

Source : Karl Marx Racist by Nathaniel Weyl, page 75

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Important Transcript :

"The first thing that is interesting about the quoted paragraph is that Marx again makes it abundantly clear that he has no interest whatsoever in the fate or welfare of Negroes."

...

"The inhabitants of the United States constitute a great civilized people, which fortune has placed in the midst of an uncultivated country, at a distance of three thousand miles from the central point of civilization. America consequently stands in daily need of European trade. The Americans will, no doubt, ultimately succeed in producing or manufacturing at home most of the things which they require, but the two continents can never be independent of each other, so numerous are the natural ties which exist between their wants, their ideas, their habits and their manners." - Karl Heinrich Marx

Source : Karl Marx Racist by Nathaniel Weyl, page 76



Title: Re: Communism
Post by: guest30 on July 11, 2022, 11:38:03 am
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Important Transcript :

These attitudes of Marx and Engels would have a profound influence on the American Socialist Party during the one period when it was a mass movement of labor— the period from its foundation in 1901 to U.S. entry into World War I in 1917. Between 1901 and 1912, the Party grew from 10,000 to 150,000 dues-paying members. At the peak of its power, it polled 900,000 votes and elected over 2,000 public officials.1’

The mainstream of the Socialist Party shared Marx’s and Engels’ private views on the Negro. On September 14, 1901, the Social Democratic Herald characterized Negroes as inferior, depraved elements who went around “raping women [and] children.”20 In an article in the same organ, dated May 31, 1902, Victor L. Berger, one of the national leaders of the Socialist Party, wrote that “there can be no doubt that the negroes and mulattoes constitute a lower race” and that “free contact with the whites has led to further degeneration of the negroes.

In 1903, the American Socialist Party was criticized by the Second International for its indifference to the widespread lynching of Negroes by white mobs. ”21

The Socialist National Quorum replied that only the abolition of capitalism and the victory of socialism could prevent the procreation and production of “lynchable human degenerates.” This extraordinary response seems to have satisfied the international socialist organization.22

As Kipnis summarizes the mainstream views of the Socialist Party before World War I, black and white workers would be entitled to receive wages based on their productivity under socialism. But that did not mean that the two races would have to live or work in the same places. “Socialism would solve the race question in the only possible manner— complete segregation.”23

The legacy of Marx and Engels, as far as the Negro is concerned, is painfully visible in the Soviet Union. Proclaiming total racial equality, the USSR invites tens of thousands of Negroes from Africa and the Americas to train as professional revolutionaries. The accounts of those who return provide abundant evidence that, beneath the veneer of equality and acceptance, there is animosity, prejudice, and virtual social ostracism

Notes

1. Karl Peter Heinzen, who worked with Marx in the 1840s, described him thus: “He had wildly dishevelled, coal-black hair, and his complexion was dirty yellow. Whether the dirty complexion was as nature made it, or whether the dirt came from outside, can no more be decided than whether his shirt and his clothes were originally made in a dirty color or merely acquired dirt.” Karl Peter Heinzen, Erlebtes (Boston: published by the author, 1864-74, 2 vols.), II, 423; as translated by Payne, Marx, pp. 154-55.

2. Wermuth and Wilhelm Stieber, Die Communisten-Verschwbrungen des iyten Jahrhunderts (Berlin 1853; reissued Hildesheim: Olms, 1969), II, 80.

3. Pierre Tremaux, Origines et transformations de I’homme et des autres etres, Premiere partie (Paris: Hachette, 1865), p. 31. My translation.

4. Marx to Engels, August 7, 1866.

5. Marx to Engels, June 9, 1866.

6. Padover, p. 425.

7. Payne, Marx, p. 391.

8. Ibid., p. 500.

9. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, The Philosophy of History, translated by J. Sibree, (Britannica Great Books), pp. 196-99. Hegel points out that he will continue to discuss civilizations on the African continent, such as the Egyptian and Carthaginian, but these he regards as projections of European or Asian civilized man.

10. Marx, The Poverty of Philosophy. Quoted from the British edition (London: Martin Lawrence, 1935) as reprinted in A Handbook of Marxism (New York: International Pub¬ lishers, 1935), p. 357.

11. Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America (New Rochelle: Arlington House, 1965), I. 417-

12. Ibid., I, 430-31.

13. Marx, Das Kapital, I, 95 n.

14. Engels to Marx, July 30, 1862.

15- Marx to Engels, May i, 1865.

16. Engels to Marx, July 15, 1865.

17. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Lettersto Americans,1848-1895 (New York: Interna¬ tional Publishers, 1953), pp. 65-67.

18. Engels to Marx, July 15, 1865.

19. IraKipnis, The American Socialist Movement 1897-1912 (New York: Greenwood Press, 1968), p. 422.

20. Philip S. Foner, History of the Labor Movement in the United States (New York, 1964), III, 381.

21. Idem.

22. Nathaniel Weyl and William Marina, American Statesmen on Slavery and the Negro (New Rochelle: Arlington House, 1971), p. 295. Socialist leaders like Bill Haywood and Norman Thomas fought vigorously for full civil rights and racial integration. But the Socialist Party had ceased to be a mass movement of the working class by the time Norman Thomas became its leader

23. Kipnis, p. 131

Source : Karl Marx Racist by Nathaniel Weyl, page 80, 81, 82


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The Author's Profile, Nathaniel Weyl


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Important Transcript :

American economist and author who wrote on a variety of social issues. Weyl was a member of the Communist Party from 1931 until 1939. In later live he turned against communism and worked for an South American institute studying communism. Two of his books received some critical coverage, one of which was "Red star over Cuba" where he claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald went to Cuba just before the JFK assassination. Weyl was the son of Walter Edward Weyl, one of the founders of the New Republic magazine.

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Nathaniel Weyl's Wikipedia Profile :

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Important Transcript :

"Nathaniel Weyl (July 20, 1910 – April 13, 2005) was an American economist and author who wrote on a variety of social issues. A member of the Communist Party of the United States from 1933 until 1939 but, after leaving the party, he became a conservative and avowed anti-communist. In 1952 he played a minor role in the Alger Hiss case."

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Weyl

Conclusion :

Communism is an ideology which support radical democratic rule, scientific racism, total opposition to morality, and extreme progressivism which led to mass industrialization and even extreme colonialism. Which all of them contrary to National Socialism ideology which total opposition to democracy, mass industrialism, colonialism, racism, and extreme progressivism. And it's worldview is more frightening rather than the liberal capitalism ideology. Maybe that is why Hitler more concentrate his armies to attack the Communist Russia.

Addition :

Today's Communism

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Title: The Real Meaning of Cultural Marxism
Post by: guest30 on July 13, 2022, 03:04:28 am
Cultural Marxism doesn't mean we will empathic to the oppressed innocents, but it was a culture which suitable for people who don't like to help the oppressed because it was "contraproductive". Let's see the photographed writings about how Karl Heinrich Marx was fundamentally agree with Faustianism worldview, which also adpted by the rightist white Europeans :

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Important Transcript

"Marx’s lifelong preoccupation with the Faust legend is related, not merely to the medieval morality play of the scholar who sold his soul to Satan, but also to Goethe’s characterization of Mephistopheles in Faust, Part One, as “the spirit that always denies.”12 Criticism, not poetic drama, Marx would later decide, was the weapon that would destroy religion, the established institutions of society and the entire realm of order.

That Marx conceived of himself at times, half playfully, half in earnest, as an heir to the diabolism of the medieval era is an intriguing probability. He would sometimes sign his letters “old Nick.”13 A letter from his seven-year-old-son, Edgar, is addressed to “my dear devil.” Marx’s youngest daughter, Eleanor, remembered how her father would tell the children endless and entrancing stories during their country outings from London. These tales concerned a magician, named Hans Roeckle, who could create all kinds of marvelous toys, but was perpetually impoverished and therefore had to sell his inventions to the devil. “Some of these stories were gruesome and hair-raising,” Eleanor recalled. The magic toymaker was, of course, Marx himself. The stories were a strange confabulation: On the one hand, they reflected the belief that capitalist society had robbed Marx of the fruits of his creative thinking; on the other hand, they were a restructuring of the Faust legend"

Notes :

1. Franz Mehring, Karl Marx (New York: Covici, Friede, 1935), p. 39.

2. Robert Payne, Marx (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1968), pp. 59-65.

3. Schwartzschild, p. 13.

4. Padover, 73.

5. Ibid

6. “Ich will bios sagen wie es eigentlich gewesen ist.”

7. My translation from the German text. For another English version,see Collected Works, I, 547-48.5

8. Thompson's evaluation is quoted in Grace Carlton, Friedrich Engels, the Shadow Prophet (London: Pall Mall, 1965), p. 43.

9. Erich Fromm, The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1973).

10. Collected Works, I, 561.

11. Padover, p. 46.

12. "Ich bin der Geist der stets verneint.”

13. Old Hick was a common euphemism for the devil in Victorian England. Its first known use in this sense will be found in Ebsworth (1643). The Oxford English Dictionary tells us that “the reason for the appelation is obscure." Samuel Butler in Hudibras, his 1663 satire on the Puritans, traced it to the evil reputation of Niccolo Machiavelli's masterly treatise on power, The Prince. Butler wrote: “Nick Machiavel had no such trick /Though he gave’s name to our Old Nick." However, Partridge, a distinguished authority, considered this etymology suspect. Eric Partridge, A Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English Usage (New York: Macmillan, 1951), p. 585

Source : Karl Marx : Racist by Nathaniel Weyl, Page 51, 52
Title: Karl Marx, the Extreme Nordicist,White Nationalist, and the Real Anglophile
Post by: guest30 on July 13, 2022, 07:09:43 pm
From this writings of a book's pages. Karl Marx was ardhent supporter of white nationalism

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Important Transcript :

Russia Must Be Destroyed

"The polemics against Palmerston and the unfinished propagandistic history of Anglo-Russian relations fell on barren soil, but Marx’s belief in Teutonic superiority, his drive for personal power, his love of war, and his hatred of the lesser breeds of mankind remained. In 1865, his search for a savant whose writings would provide “scientific” support for his doctrines of Teutonic expansion and Russian subjugation led him to an obscure Polish ethnologist named Francois Duchinski. Born in Kiev in 1817, Duchinski settled in France and during 1858-64 published a succession of ethnological and historical volumes which attempted to prove that the Russians were not really Slavs at all. They were Asiatics, he argued. Hence, they were intruders and should be driven back to the Asian land-mass."

...

Marx announced his find to Engels. On August 7, 1866, he wrote his “Lieber Fred”: “A very important work which I shall send you ... is P. Tremaux, Origins and Transformations of Man and Other Beings, Paris, 1865. It is, despite all the faults which strike me, a very important advance over Darwin.”

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This “great law” disclosed that the beauty, health, intelligence, energy, and civilization level of peoples corresponded directly to the geological age of the land they occupied. Crude, brutish, stupid and lazy peoples and races lived on geologically old terrain. Refined, civilized, handsome, healthy, bright, and energetic peoples occupied geologically new land.

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To prove his theory, Tremaux took his readers on a rapid, imaginary tour of the world, correlating soils and peoples as he proceeded: “In India, where the soil permits, one finds fairly handsome people, but in its peninsula, where there are large expanses of primitive soil . . . one sees people with black skins as hideous as monkeys. . . .”17

Turning to Scandinavia, Tremaux observed that it contained “the greatest area of geologically primitive terrain in Europe.” What followed with respect to its inhabitants? Why that “the Lapps are therefore the most inferior of people.” The Swedes, Norwegians and Finns had not lived there long enough, but, give them time, and they would degenerate to the Lapp level.1

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Engels was justifying German aggrandizement on the grounds that the Scandinavians were too uncivilized to govern their own territory.

The most favorable soils, according to Tremaux, were “all of the west and south of Europe, and more especially France, Italy, Greece, part of Germany, southeast England, and eastern Spain. It is there that civilization and the intellectual faculties rule.”19

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Another “discovery” of this scientific genius was that Neanderthal skulls were “strongly reminiscent of the crania of monkeys.”22 He also proclaimed that “the backward Negro is not an evolved ape, but a degenerate man. . . .”23 Marx heartily agreed with this last finding and he considered it further proof of Tremaux’s scientific superiority to Darwin."

Source : Karl Marx : Racist by Nathaniel Weyl Page 131, 132, 133


Karl Marx and Hegel, the founding fathers of Communist ideology, was Discriminated the Slavic people

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Photographed on 13th July 2022, 21 : 46 Jakarta Time

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Photographed on 14th July 2022, 06 : 32 Jakarta Time

Important Transcript :

Tremaux also pleased Marx by observing that the Hungarians, living on splendid, geologically recent soils were therefore superior to their Slavic neighbors. Writing in the Neue Rheinische Zeitung for February 15, 1849, Marx and Engels had argued that the Magyars were a superior racial group which had every right to oppress its Slavic neighbors: “If the eight million Slavs have had to be satisfied to let four million Magyars keep them under their yoke, then this alone is enough to show which is the more capable of living and more energetic, the many Slavs or the few Magyars. It turns out that this ‘crime’ of the Germans and Magyars against the dubious Slavs is one of the best and most worthy acts of which our people and the Hungarians can boast.”

Extending Marx’s and Engels’ argument that a minority is justified in ruling a majority if it has the force to do so from the category of nation to that of class, it would follow that both aristocratic and capitalist domination of the laboring masses were morally justified

The important paragraph meaning, which it's words are marked all by red :

Capitalism and Communist ideology are related to each other

Source : Karl Marx : Racist by Nathaniel Weyl page 135


Another the author's conclusion on Karl Marx and Hegel, the founding fathers of Communism

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Photographed on 13th July 2022, 21 : 51 Jakarta Time

Important Transcript :

"...The road was also cleared for the even more convenient political lie that Marx and Engels were not racists at all, but true internationalists who nobly championed the rights of weak peoples, nations, and races against the great powers which sought to subjugate and oppress them."

Source : Karl Marx : Racist by Nathaniel Weyl page 136

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Photographed on 13th July 2022, 21 : 51 Jakarta Time

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Photographed on 13th July 2022, 21 : 51 Jakarta Time

Important Transcript :

Notes :

1. This latter charge is clearly implied in Karl Vogt, Mein Prozess gegen die Allgemeine Zeitung (Geneva, 1859). It is almost certainly false.

2. Stefan T. Possony, introduction to Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto (Chicago: Gateway, 1954), pp. vii-xli.

3. Ibid.

4. Donald Southgate, “ The Most English Minister...”, (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1966), p. 68.

5. Ibid., p. 70.

6. Jasper Ridley, Lord Palmerston (London, Constable, 1970), p. 236

7. Wolfe, p. 41.

8. Mehring, pp. 540-41. It is also interesting to note that, while Marx ridiculed Urquhart as a buffoon and a madman to Engels, he gave Liebknecht, a comparative outsider, the impression that the Scottish agitator was a man of great ability and foresight. See Liebknecht’s Memoirs.

9. Quoting Payne, The Unknown Karl Marx, pp. 227-28.

10. The Secret Diplomatic History of the Eighteenth Century (New York: International Publisher, 1969), pp. 88, 91.

11. Ibid., pp. 108, 121, 114; quoted in Seigel, p. 227.

12. Marx, The Secret History of the Eighteenth Century, in Payne, Unknown Marx, pp. 314-15-

13. Ibid., p. 311.

14. Vogt, p. 141.

15. Note that Marx, the “internationalist” and “humanist,” explicitly accepts the genocidal myth that Adolf Hitler would later make reality. First, that the Indo-Germans, or Aryans, are a race, not merely a linguistic group. Second, that non-Aryans can be expropriated, expelled, driven into the tundra to perish. Marx conveniently forgot, as usual, that he, himself, was not an Aryan, but a Jew.

16. Pierre Tremaux, Origines et transformations de Thomme et des autres etres, Premiere partie (Paris: Hachette, 1865), p. 17. Capitalization, italics, punctuation, etc., are as in the original. The translations of both Tremaux and the Marx-Engels Briefwechsel are my own.

17- Ibid., p. 28. Tremaux may have had in mind the partly Australoid tribes of Kerala, such as the Uralis and Kadar.

18. Ibid., p. 33.

19. Ibid., p. 34.

20. Francis Galton, Hereditary Genius (Cleveland: World, 1962 ed.), p. 395.

21. Tremaux, Origines, pp. 107-8.

22. Ibid., p. 283. Of course, there is no resemblance between Neanderthal skulls and the crania of monkeys. Possibly, Tremaux had monkeys confused with anthropoid apes. Even so, he was still wrong.

23. Ibid., p. 31.

24. Ibid., pp. 426-28.

25. Engels to Bebel, November 17, 1885. Wolfe, p. 68. While the quoted letter was written after Marx’s death, Marx and Engels held similar opinions about Balkan peoples.

26. Tremaux, Origines, pp. 420-21.

27. “So you see, phrenology is not the base art Hegel imagined.” Marx to Kugelmann, January 11, 1868

Source : Karl Marx : Racist by Nathaniel Weyl page 137, 138






Title: Re: Communism
Post by: christianbethel on July 14, 2022, 08:40:35 am
You really need to learn how to use the 'Copy' and 'Paste' commands.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: guest30 on July 14, 2022, 06:01:28 pm
@christianbethel

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You really need to learn how to use the 'Copy' and 'Paste' command.

I'm photographing the pages and copy the contents for the sake of authenticity. For make the empiricist see this post with more confidence. Today's people are empiricist rather than using their mind...

I ever debated with the opponents, I show them the contents with sources only, not the real photos of where the content I got, either from books or articles. They still not believe it and consider my arguments were false and have the possibility of fraud according to them. So, there must be another way to make an arguments...
Title: Communist Ideology are Work Together with the Capitalist Ideology
Post by: guest30 on July 16, 2022, 09:28:25 am
See the content from the pages which photographed below :

Karl Marx consider the Western liberal capitalist's colonialism is made the communism ideology useful

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Photographed on 15th July 2022, 20 : 32 Jakarta Time

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Photographed on 15th July 2022, 20 : 32 Jakarta Time

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Photographed on 15th July 2022, 20 : 35 Jakarta Time

Important Transcript :

"Again in an article in the Tribune (June 5, 1857), written by Engels at Marx’s request, the defeat of a large Persian army by a much smaller Anglo-Indian force was attributed to the fact that the victors had European officers and sergeants. The Persian force had been merely a “European system of military organization . . . engrafted upon Asiatic barbarity.” The defeated Persian forces exemplified “Oriental ignorance, impatience, prejudice. . . .”

It is difficult to escape the conclusion that Marx and Engels believed that Oriental despotism would survive in Asia indefinitely because the mental and spiritual resources of the Asian people were not adequate to bring about its destruction. It was for this reason that they joyfully hailed every victory of what modern liberals would call European and American imperialism against more backward nations. Marx wrote that the British conquest of India had involved commission of many “crimes,” but nonetheless Britain “was the unconscious tool of history in bringing about the revolution” from the stagnant Asian system to incipient capitalism.

It was in the interests of these backward and barbarian peoples that they be kicked, pushed, or cajoled into civilization by whatever agency was available. Engels supported the French conquest of Algeria, noting that the Bedouins were a “nation of robbers” who lived in a “barbarian state of society”s Concerning the American victory over Mexico in the 1840s, Engels wrote in the Neue Rheinische Zeitung for February 15, 1849:

Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it? . . . All impotent nations must in the last analysis, owe a debt to those who, under the laws of historic necessity, incorporate them in a great empire, thus allowing them to take part in an historic development which would otherwise be impossible for them. Evidently, such results cannot be achieved without crushing a few sweet little flowers. Without violence, nothing is ever accomplished in history."

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True Left's ideological statement has been verified

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"When today’s far-rightists talk about how much more masculine the “white working class” are compared to the “silver spoon fags”, they are making almost the exact same association between prole and masculine, and between bourgeois and non-masculine, that the real communists used to make in their propaganda. In this sense, they themselves psychologically resemble the real communists much more closely than those whom they wrongly label as “communists”."

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One of Hitler’s many intellectual achievements was to expose both capitalism and communism as two poles of a false dichotomy that ultimately served Zionism.

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...Marx, while critical of capitalism itself, viewed the spread of capitalism to non-Western countries via Western colonialism as an indirectly beneficial development for his own ends, as only thus would non-Western societies be thrust into economic conditions that make communist revolution attractive, whereas communist revolution would have been a much harder sell to non-Western countries had they remained pre-capitalist. Incidentally, this makes it inconsistent for any serious anti-communist to believe in Western superiority." - Aryanism's Authentic National Socialism, on Communism and Western Civilization"

Notes

1. Karl August Wittfogel, Oriental Despotism: a Comparative Study of Total Power (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1957).

2. Wittfogel, p. 380, citing Das Kapital, I, 104, and a variety of references in vol. Ill and in the Theories of Surplus Value.

3. For references, see Wittfogel, p. 3850.

4. Shlomo Aveneri, ed., Karl Marx on Colonization and Modernization (Garden City: Doubleday, 1968), p. 9.

5. Engels, “French Rule in Algeria,” The Northern Star, January 22, 1848.

6. See Wittfogel, p. 374.

7. Cited in Wittfogel, p. 387.

8. Quoted from Bakunin by Wittfogel, p. 388.

9. Marx to Engels, June 2, 1853.

10. Karl Marx, “The British Rule in India,” New York Daily Tribune, June 25, 1853.

11. Joel Carmichael in his excellent biography, Trotsky (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1975), PP- 375_76> quotes Max Eastman’s impressions on visiting the Russian revolutionary exile in Prinkipo, Turkey. The Trotskys had been given a delapidated villa, which they had turned into a barracks, letting the garden go to weeds. “Through sheer indifference to beauty, I should say,” Eastman commented. “Trotsky talks a good deal about art in his books and lays claim to cultivated taste, but shows no more interest in art than in that garden.” Carmichael agrees as to Trotsky’s “aesthetic ‘deadness.’ ” Lenin, too, lived all his life in drab, little cubicles. And on a far lower level, Fidel Castro, before taking power, lived like a pig, according to early associates. People indifferent to beauty may also be indifferent to the value of human life.

Source : Karl Marx : Racist by Nathaniel Weyl page 119, 120, 124

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Title: Exposing the Real Face of Communist people on Discord
Post by: guest30 on July 20, 2022, 02:06:59 am
Recent Debates culminating in ban on my Discord. But worth talking for exposing the evil of today Communist People[/color]

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Photographed on Wednesday, ‎July ‎20, ‎2022, ‏‎12:47 Jakarta Time

Explanation 1 : NOOBT2, the Discord member of Jimmy Dore Show Discord group server said that he is followers of communism and learn about it.

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Photographed on Wednesday, ‎July ‎20, ‎2022, ‏‎12:49 Jakarta Time

Explanation 2 : From that photographed text chat, NOOBT2 justify Karl Marx, the founder of Communism's racialist thought. And he even justify the slavery in United States because it make United States "success"

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Photographed on Wednesday, ‎July ‎20, ‎2022, ‏‎12:49 Jakarta Time

Explanation 3 : From that photographed text chat, NOOBT2 consider the Socialist Party of America is "same like the Third Reich" even though they are ideologically Communist, without any reason and only judging.

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Photographed on Wednesday, ‎July ‎20, ‎2022, ‏‎12:50

Explanation 4 : From that photographed text chat, NOOBT2 justify Friedrich Engels's support French colonialism of Algeria. Friedrich Engels is a British philosopher who support Karl Marx's communist teachings.

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Photographed on Wednesday, ‎July ‎20, ‎2022, ‏‎12:51

Explanation 5: The photographed text is pretty blurred, so I will type that again on this topic. The point of the conversation is, the admin named "codingkriggs" justify NOOBT2's approval of racist's thought from Communist founder because he consider NOOBT2's just help me to explain the Karl Marx's thoughts based on his opinion.

Transcript :

1. codingkriggs : "don't be smart. You brought up the racist passage, not him.

2. tehbotoltehkotak : "I'm showing information, he agree with it. And the information is about racism. You still let him in... So I can share information about Hitler's anti-racism

3. codingkriggs : "He explained it and justified it, giving it historical context."

4. tehbotoltehkotak : "And I will justify Hitler with historical context too. You agree with that?"

5. codingkriggs : "He was answering a direct question from you, you seemd curious and he was trying to help out. He didn't expect it was a up for an ambush"

6. tehbotoltehkotak : "If he against racism, he will condemn every of racist things all the time. Not just contextually"

7. tehbotoltehkotak : I ordered him to answer my previous unanswered question, that is : "And I will justify Hitler with historical context too. You agree with that?"

8. codingkriggs : "Let me introduce you to rule number 10: don't be a dick. If you keep trying me tonight, I will take action"


The result is, the group admin banned me because I'm telling the truth to his group server and being a dick

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They not aware that their sayings will be exposed to the public.




Title: Exposing the Real Face of Communism Part 2
Post by: guest30 on July 21, 2022, 08:18:05 am
See the photographed conversation on Discord group server named "Worker's Alliance"

Special Debate with the Untermenschen Communist Female Moderator, or Sub-Human female communist

Discord group's name :

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Explanation 1 :

I explain that Karl Marx, the founder of Communism doesn't condemn slavery through his recorded writings on a book called "Handbook of Marxism". And she justify it because it just explaining that there's a good side from slavery according to the photographed page content from the "Handbook of Marxism"

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Explanation 2 :

I'm explaining that the Karl Marx book named "Philosophy of Poverty" is part of Communist teachings

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Explanation 3 :

She justify that the writing content which not condemning slavery which being part of that Communist book's content

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Explanation 4 :

I'm already show the same writing content from the photographed page content from the Communist book named "Philosoophy of Poverty". She still justify that evil teachings

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Explanation 5 :

She promoting moral neutrality with saying that something bad can be considered as "good" because of "context reason"

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Explanation 6 :

She say that she care about useless productivity of people rather than the importance of empathy. And she assume that with collectively got material needs. The problem of society will be solved without examine the people or collective's morality.

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Explanation 7 :

She justify to forcing other nations to trade in accordance with the trade agreement which she want for the sake the interest of the "proletariats"

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Explanation 8 :

She justify to form an illegal revolution on the nation which don't want to trade based on amount of trade she want. So, she implicitly explaining about colonialism but with the pretext of "revolution"

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Explanation 9 :

She reject the Chinese's economic exploitation behaviour to the indebted nation is result of it's people learning about Communism and Marxism. But remember, Communism  is materialistic ideology. So it justify everything activity including the illegal economic activity for the sake gain material needs for the sake of proletariats.

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Explanation 10 :

She begin to admit that Chinese was influenced by Communism. But she still not blame that the Communist teachings is the cause on China's foreign economic policy's bad behaviour.

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Explanation 11 :

I show her the solution of global warming with controlling people from doing anything which extend the global warming. Which need using non-democracy autocratic way of govern. But she keep repeating that the democracy is the solution.

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Explanation 12 :

I explain that we already have a simple way to reduce the global warming, that is with living without or less factory and industry, like what Fuhrer wants. But she emphasize that making a eco-friendly factory and industry is the solution, which need complex learning and more materials which have possibility to slow down the friendly environmental society. And not all communities and nations can do that.

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Explanation 13 :

She say that she will not make a war. But I remembering her that on previous conversation, that she want to make a revolution had she lead communist nation and the other nations don't want to trade, or trade but with insufficient amount based on what the amount of material that she and his democratic proletariats want.

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Explanation 14 :

She keep saying that a nation needs complex technological tool to run-well. Even though I already offer her the simple and implementable solution.

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Explanation 15 :

I explain to her that Sumerian kingdom can make people live without many unnecessary Western technologies. And explain that even though all of civilizations commit slavery, the Western Civilization which make people live with many unnecessary technologies produce more slavery and that is bad.

The result is, she win the debate

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This is her Discord profile

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Title: Re: Communism
Post by: guest30 on August 01, 2022, 09:37:12 pm
Debate report with the Communist Unterfrau (sub-human female) in Discord Group "Leftist League"

Date : Saturday, 23th July 2022


See this photographed group chat conversation below...

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Explanation 1 :

I'm already explain with photographed source's page content about the colonialist policy of Soviet Russia and the discriminative thoughts from Karl Marx, the communist ideology's founder. But she always deny that without showing her logic and reason.

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Explanation 2 :

And I explain again about the discriminative ideas of Communism which now from Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, the philosopher who support Karl Marx. He said that slavery were better to be abandoned slowly rather than quickly as possible. And consider the "African" people are uncivilized and worth to be abandoned. It was Western ideological mindset if a group of people were ignored only because incapable to build a material products, not an anti-colonial ideological mindset.

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Explanation 3 :

Continuing photographs of written contents about Friedrich Hegel's thoughts

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Explanation 4 :

They said that Stalin was want peaceful borgeoise surrender to the proletariat. But ignore the facts that Stalin keep sending the communist Jews to settle in Palestine with total violence to the natives which I've already shown before.

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Explanation 5 :

After I answer the facts about the violence which did by the communist Jews from Soviet Russia in Palestine. She consider my argument were not relevant to the topic. Even though the group conversation is still about the discriminative worldview and history of communist ideology.

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Explanation 6 :

She suddenly said that she's not anti-semitic. Even though I'm already explaining the violences which commited by Jews in Palestine territory with the help of Soviet Russia Communist government. And see keep saying without basis of logic, that Stalin didn't has intention to terrorize the Palestinians.

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Explanation 7 :

She keep ignoring my answer and arguments. And even some of it's member don't consider the Soviet Russia was a communist.

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Explanation 8 :

They won the debate. The key of their answer is, send my Discord account to their "Gulag" server.

The female communist degenerate unterfrau's Discord profile

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Discord profile name : Pickaxe and Rifle#4098
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: guest78 on August 02, 2022, 07:01:00 pm
Don't trust the Yuri Bezmenov character all that much personally, nor do I give too much credence to his "ideological subversion" lecture, but, I believe anyone with a little discernment should now be able to see how effective Turanian\Russian subversion in the U.S. has been, especially when taking Trumpism into account:
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3VTYaxDSrQk/T3SNtJ9F3DI/AAAAAAAAAZc/38LDrSillCw/s1600/Subversion%2BProcess.JPG)

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/red-coup/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/rightist-militias/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/rightist-mass-shootings/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/racist-bullying/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/state-subverters/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/military-subverters/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/police-rightist-bias/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/voter-suppression/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/karenism-(a-k-a-ethnic-profiling-by-civilians)/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/
Related:   https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/

First topic on the subversion list above, "Religion":
(https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5ed6693fdf4b3d936b967343/2:3/w_887,h_1331,c_limit/Trump6.2.jpg)

I would argue most U.S. citizen's do not understand their own beliefs at this point, or how they arrived at those conclusions. Those who are confused all believe they arrived at the conclusions they have by themselves though, this I am sure of!

See also: By Attacking Brittney Griner, Trump Signals to His Base: “I’m Still Racist”
                https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/brittney-griner-trump-racism/

I'm also sure that most human-beings will never admit when they've been played for a sucka!
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 21, 2022, 07:44:07 pm
Our enemies again academically agree with us that authentic Marxism/communism is rightist (while False Leftists Kasparian/Uygur as usual are behind the curve):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCDh7WZITNg

1:27-1:50

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"Communism and Marxism historically have always been conservative. It's a new era of 'communism' in the West that claims to be adherent to these liberal-leftist values. This is not true Marxism, you know; this is 'Marxism' funded by George Soros, and they trying to take away what Marxism actually means for the American people.

Previously:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/the-last-word-on-marxism/

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/elon-musk-etc/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-communist-betrayal-to-the-islamic-world/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg8823/#msg8823

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/hitler-the-face-of-anti-tribalism/msg14747/#msg14747

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftist-ideological-camps-in-the-big-picture-socialism-marxism-true-leftism-etc/
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on September 25, 2022, 05:46:12 am
Wait a minute, I thought you said communism was false leftist before?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 25, 2022, 06:05:38 pm
What I meant is that present-day leftists who call themselves "communists" are surely False Leftists. But such leftists are not practicing communism correctly. Only rightists practice communism correctly (whether or not they call themselves "communists").

Recall from Aryanism.net:

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Marx, while critical of capitalism itself, viewed the spread of capitalism to non-Western countries via Western colonialism as an indirectly beneficial development for his own ends, as only thus would non-Western societies be thrust into economic conditions that make communist revolution attractive, whereas communist revolution would have been a much harder sell to non-Western countries had they remained pre-capitalist. Incidentally, this makes it inconsistent for any serious anti-communist to believe in Western superiority.

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(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faryanism.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fcuck.jpg&hash=d6246f3938e539110e87bdf585ed1893cd8f14c6)
Marx (Jew): true founder of the Alt-Right?
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Indeed, considering the popular appreciation for the Iron Curtain among today’s far-right for shielding the people inside from the Counterculture ideas that spread around the rest of the world during the late 20th century, it could be argued that it is today’s far-rightists who are most communist-sympathetic. In fact, When today’s far-rightists talk about how much more masculine the “white working class” are compared to the “silver spoon fags”, they are making almost the exact same association between prole and masculine, and between bourgeois and non-masculine, that the real communists used to make in their propaganda. In this sense, they themselves psychologically resemble the real communists much more closely than those whom they wrongly label as “communists”. The only difference is that they add “white” in front of “working class” because they feel no solidarity with the “non-white” working class.)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faryanism.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Flenin.jpg&hash=b10804846ab568e2a01be3b0ef87e28842e6585b)

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Dietrich Eckart considered Moses (Jew) to be the first Bolshevik

Please also re-read:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/the-last-word-on-marxism/

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/elon-musk-etc/
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on September 27, 2022, 07:31:00 am
Ok, but what about here, where you are specifically referring to the ideology of communism, and not to present day False Leftists?:
http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/the-true-left-is-emerging/comment-page-2/#comment-174316

Would you also say that the "anti-racist" intiatives of the USSR was merely propaganda, even though racism was made ilelgal?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 27, 2022, 03:23:53 pm
The question was:

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“In the False Left/True Left dichotomy, where would communism be?”

to which I answered:

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False Left.

At that point, we were only considering where to place communism within the leftist axis. I admit some confusion could have been caused by the next part:

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“given that it is, in essence, class-based tribalism, would it not, in fact, be more accurate to place it at the right, together with the other forms of tribalism?”

No, because tribalism is not what makes an ideology rightist. A positive evaluation of Western civilization is what makes an ideology rightist:

I stand by my above statement as a disagreement with Hypnotix's reasoning that tribalism implies rightism, but I hereby clarify that it would indeed be acceptable to place communism on the right, THOUGH NOT BECAUSE IT IS CLASS-BASED TRIBALISM (thus standing by my above statement), but because it evaluates Western civilization positively, as I implicitly noted subsequently:

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I do state that Marx has something in common with neocons, but since neocons are only one faction of rightists, this cannot be considered a general rightist position. Besides, Marx only wanted capitalism to spread so that it could then be overthrown, whereas a sincere neocon would want it to spread and last.

To summarize:

1) If we were limited to classifying communism only along the False Left/True Left dichotomy, we would classify communism as False Left.

2) If we are permitted to classify communism as rightist, there is a case for doing so.

3) False Leftists are caught in the self-contradiction of liking progressivism while not wanting to credit Western civilization for progressivism due to their dislike of Western colonialism. Marx avoids this by finding a uniquely cynical way to like Western colonialism. On this account Marx is more similar to rightists than typical False Leftists are. Marx is a proud Westerner who merely disagrees that capitalism is the culmination of Western civilization, believing instead that communism is the culmination of Western civilization.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: christianbethel on September 27, 2022, 05:41:14 pm
When you say 'progressivism', are you talking about the 'innovation and technology' progressivism or the 'social justice' progressivism?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 27, 2022, 05:55:58 pm
Both.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on September 27, 2022, 08:25:07 pm
Ok, that makes sense. Especially when we consider that the USSR and the bolshevik Untermensch continued to remain racist (ethnotribalist) in their policies even after the state supposedly forbode racism. There had to be some degree of compatibility with the underlying ideology there for that to have been possible.

On the other hand, adherents of present-day False Leftism cannot be racist as it incorporates into its following Gentiles from all ethnicities, which is only possible because of the ideology itself.

TLDR;
Communism = Right wing progressivism/egalitarianism
False Leftism = "Left wing" progressivism/egalitarianism

I recall you mentioned that it is possible for supposed "egalitarian" ideologies to be right wing since they are not really egalitarian at all (e.g. the plebian hubris of enlightenment liberalism that all "white" men are equal).

So can we say that classical liberalism can similarly be classified as a right wing ideology, given its positive evaluation of Western Civilization, and also that we could classify it as False Left within the False Left-True Left axis?

Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 27, 2022, 09:16:47 pm
"So can we say that classical liberalism can similarly be classified as a right wing ideology, given its positive evaluation of Western Civilization, and also that we could classify it as False Left within the False Left-True Left axis?"

Yes. The rhetoric of early post-9/11 Islamophobia, for example, was primarily rooted in classical liberalism.

There is no such thing as a coherent False Leftist ideology. Except for pure relativism (which is incoherent anyway), all other supposed False Left ideologies eventually expose themselves as rightist ideologies when explicitly challenged to comparatively evaluate Western and non-Western civilizations. When we talk about False Leftists, we are mainly talking about people, specifically people who when cornered will admit that they consider Western civilization superior, but who will try to avoid being cornered in order to avoid reaching this conclusion.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on September 27, 2022, 10:43:06 pm
"rhetoric of early post-9/11 Islamophobia"
Yes, primarily from the "New Atheist" movement, whose thought leaders were mostly Jewish (e.g. Hitchens (Jew), Maher (Jew), Harris (Jew)). This indicates that Jews are not pure relativists/False Leftists and that the "False Leftist" ideologies they are peddling are merely a cover for rightism/absolutist traditionalism, which is what you have been saying. This makes sense given that Jewish ethnotribalism is fundamentally rightist.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: christianbethel on September 28, 2022, 12:50:26 pm
Both.
So when compared to 'progressivism' and 'liberalism', both which claim to promote social justice, what is our stance on social justice? National Socialism? I remember reading on the main site that socialism is essentially social justice, and either Hitler or Goebbels stated that socialism is supposed to be 'collective welfare'.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 28, 2022, 05:20:37 pm
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/childcare-issues/msg711/#msg711
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 01, 2022, 11:56:47 pm
Going back to this post:
"When we talk about False Leftists, we are mainly talking about people, specifically people who when cornered will admit that they consider Western civilization superior, but who will try to avoid being cornered in order to avoid reaching this conclusion."

Are all irredeemable False Leftists really closet rightists then?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 02, 2022, 01:15:05 am
Perhaps not. If siding with us or siding with rightists were the only two options, some might side with us. Specifically, those who love Western civilization more than they hate "white" supremacy will side with rightists, whereas those who hate "white" supremacy more than they love Western civilization will side with us.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 02, 2022, 01:44:10 am
Ok. So for example, Elon Musk belongs to the former group, while Antifa belongs to the latter.
So basically we have:
Racist rightists
Non-racist rightists (False Leftists who love Western Civilization)
Relativist False Leftists (those who hate White Supremacy but still love Western Civilization)
True Leftists

On a side note, Jews would always be considered racist rightists, even if they claim to be non-racist rightists (False Leftists) or relativists, right?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 02, 2022, 02:04:24 am
"Relativist False Leftists (those who hate White Supremacy but still love Western Civilization)"

If you mean those who love all civilizations (one of which just so happens to be Western civilization) and therefore want to preserve them all (including Western civilization) for the sake of diversity, these could be described as relativist. But anyone who loves Western civilization more than other civilizations should not be described as relativist since this requires comparative evaluation of content.

"Jews would always be considered racist rightists, even if they claim to be non-racist rightists (False Leftists) or relativists, right?"

Yes, since Judaism itself is neither non-racist nor relativist.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 02, 2022, 02:10:54 am
"If you mean those who love all civilizations (one of which just so happens to be Western civilization) and therefore want to preserve them all (including Western civilization) for the sake of diversity, these could be described as relativist. But anyone who loves Western civilization more than other civilizations should not be described as relativist since this requires comparative evaluation of content."

I think the former group is what I meant, since I have not seen this group say that Western Civilization is necessarily the best, but that things from Western Civilization are good, only we should not value Western achievements any more than non-Western achievements (or alternatively, that we should value non-Western achievements as much as Western achievements).
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 16, 2022, 09:30:50 am
Russophile YouTuber Jimmy Dore pushes MAGACommunism:
https://youtu.be/tBGgLxxkLrM
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 16, 2022, 10:11:36 pm
Returning to this point:
Perhaps not. If siding with us or siding with rightists were the only two options, some might side with us. Specifically, those who love Western civilization more than they hate "white" supremacy will side with rightists, whereas those who hate "white" supremacy more than they love Western civilization will side with us.

Could we expect the former group to have relatively more Aryan blood compared to the latter group?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 16, 2022, 10:40:10 pm
I don't see why we would. Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 17, 2022, 12:06:14 am
Well I was assuming since they hated White supremacy enough to side with us that would mean something, but I suppose not.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 17, 2022, 12:18:53 am
"since they hated White supremacy enough to side with us"

That's the latter group. Your earlier post was asking about:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/communism/msg16465/#msg16465

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Perhaps not. If siding with us or siding with rightists were the only two options, some might side with us. Specifically, those who love Western civilization more than they hate "white" supremacy will side with rightists, whereas those who hate "white" supremacy more than they love Western civilization will side with us.

Could we expect the former group to have relatively more Aryan blood compared to the latter group?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 17, 2022, 12:37:38 am
My bad. I misspoke. I meant the latter group.  Do you thing they have relatively more Aryan blood compared to the former gorup?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 17, 2022, 12:46:21 am
It is possible, but we should not worry too much about this for now.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 17, 2022, 09:53:01 am
When I see videos of the violent insurrectionists on Jan 6 calling anti-Trump Republicans "traitors", I am reminded of the violent proletarian Bolshevik untermensch, who similarly labeled people they didn't like "class traitors". The MAGACommunism movement is right in that these insurrectionists would be more sympathetic to Communism than leftism.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 18, 2022, 09:32:01 pm
In keeping with the previous points, I think we can now classify communism as a "center left" ideology (similar to European social democracy) instead of a "far left" ideology, since it is further to the right of even other False Left ideologies such as pure relativism.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 18, 2022, 10:23:10 pm
This could be confusing, since centre-left usually refers to positions that attempt reform without upsetting existing structures, in contrast to communism has from its outset advocated actively discarding old structures.

It is also confusing to compare communism with relativism, since the former is a political position whereas the latter is a philosophical position.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 18, 2022, 10:43:00 pm
I agree with your points. But what is a good name for present day ideological False Leftism? Wokeism?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 18, 2022, 10:55:11 pm
"Wokeism?"

No, we are trying to claim wokeness as a term for the True Left. This is why in so many of my posts I have been describing comments I like as "woke comments". "Woke" must never be used with a negative connotation.

"what is a good name for present day ideological False Leftism?"

Scandinavia-worship:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/bernie-sanders-nordic-model-finland-american-dream-sanna-marin-2020-2-1028868627

Recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/bernie-sanders/msg5197/#msg5197

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Sanders responded by attempting to distance himself from Venezuela's Bolivarian government, replying to such worries by stating, "When I talk about democratic socialism, I'm not looking at Venezuela. I'm not looking at Cuba. I'm looking at countries like Denmark and Sweden".[206]

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonial-crimes-dw-documentary/msg13464/#msg13464
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on November 29, 2022, 11:55:23 am
I wanted to mention another thing rightists have in common with communists is the use of economic argumentation to rationalize the behavior of mass shooters and "incels", and more broadly the bad behavior of "white" men.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: guest78 on November 29, 2022, 01:11:17 pm
"White" economics have made non-"whites" behave just as badly as "whites" themselves though. Economic considerations seem to be the main driving factor for the spread of "white" bad behavior among non-"white" populations....
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 29, 2022, 04:45:26 pm
Rightists use economics to excuse "white" failure but blame "non-white" failure on heredity. This is a different approach than communists, who at least avoid this double-standard and apply economic explanations across the board.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on December 08, 2022, 09:04:54 pm
Good point. When it's a "white" shooter it's always "broken families", "lack of a strong father figure". But when it's a "black" shooter it's the "MAOA gene".
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 08, 2022, 09:24:03 pm
Also:

(https://data.junkee.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/police1.png)
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: Communism on March 05, 2023, 06:01:35 pm
The Communist Cookbook That Defined Prague’s Cuisine
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For years, one book dictated how and what people could eat.
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In the newly independent Czech Republic of the 1990s, cheap comfort food—such as goulash, pork knuckle, and dumplings—dominated every eatery. Meanwhile vegetarians were encouraged to feast on fried cheese and stewed cabbage. (The late Anthony Bourdain famously called it “the land vegetables forgot” in an episode of his travel show No Reservations.) For the most part, tourists loved Prague in spite of the food rather than because of it. But Czechs didn’t understand the criticism. After 40 years of communism, the culinary splendor that once dominated Czech culture was a distant memory due, in part, to one very specific cookbook.

As a former cultural capital of both the Holy Roman and Habsburg Empires, ingredients and ideas once flowed freely between Prague and major metropolises in Austria, Hungary, Italy, France, and beyond. By the time Napoleon’s army claimed victory in the Battle of Austerlitz, the city was an epicurean epicenter rivaling Paris and Vienna. Czechs were roasting goose better than Germans, using gnocchi in ways the Italians never thought of, and incorporating French techniques that made their meat sauces even richer. Royal banquets often featured delicacies including pheasant, turtle, and Španělské ptáčky (Spanish birds), a Czech version of roulade made from beef or veal. Economic and gastronomic excellence even survived the First World War.

It wasn’t until the Nazis invaded in 1939, implementing stringent rationing and 10-12-hour workdays, that Czechoslovak cuisine took its first big hit. Every person was issued coupons that signified the amount of bread, sugar, meat, and fat they could obtain (children under ten were given additional rations of butter and milk). But after a few years, Jews were forbidden to purchase fruit, cheese, and meat. Daily life was such a challenge and access was so limited that cooking was no longer a priority. Occupiers encouraged Czechs to cook Eintopf (a one-pot potato stew), but this was a far cry from traditional Sunday roast, and it never quite caught on. Those fortunate enough to have family in the country would meet them at quiet train stations to receive black market eggs and meat.

This was during war-time...

Continuing with the article:

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When communists came to power in 1948, citizens were hopeful they could return to a life containing more prewar luxuries. Though the quality of food improved, life under socialist ideas still proved restrictive. Twenty years later, when liberalization started to gain traction, the party saw a need for even stricter control. In an effort to consolidate power, they purged reformist officials from the government and established a range of restrictions on everyday activities. Eating was no exception.

The state Restaurants and Cafeterias company soon issued a national cookbook entitled Receptury teplých pokrmu, or Recipes for Warm Meals. Dubbed “normovacka,” or “the book of standards,” it dictated what cooks in the country could serve in 845 recipes. Ladislav Pravaan, curator of the Gastronomie Muzeum of Prague, explains that the book even specified sources and serving styles for everything from sauces to side dishes.

The cookbook’s authors, František Syrový and Antonin Nestával, were relatively well-known chefs at the time (Nestával had even represented Czech gastronomy at the 1967 Montreal Expo). But the book emphasized limiting food imports and cooking economically, so it didn’t include anything you might expect to try at a culinary competition. Nutrition was also a core component of the book: The idea was that the the better-balanced people’s meals were, the harder people would work. In the book, calorie count and vitamin details were listed alongside ingredients and instructions, and certain recipes were suggested for certain professions. Portion sizes were designed by the hundreds, indicating that select dishes were to be cooked in large quantities each day.

In comparison, National Socialism and Aryanism are only concerned with cooking ethically, not economically.

Continuing:

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Cooks that wanted to deviate from these recipes had to get approval from the Ministry of Health, a request that could take years to go through. Most people opted for the easier route, which is how thousands of nearly identical menus came to be established across the country. Paired with limited ingredient diversity, the nation suffered a creative drought: It wasn’t just that all the same dishes were served, but the dishes were prepared exactly the same way, resulting in identical versions of dishes, too. Each bite was calculated as a means of productivity, and dining for pleasure was considered extravagant. “Special” meals were no longer considered, and the scope of Czech cuisine shrunk...
Entire article: https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-communist-cookbook-that-defined-prague-s-cuisine?utm_source=pocket-newtab

All western ideological considerations in regards to diet, whether it be communism or capitalism, merely focus on growth and productivity\economics. Only National Socialism and Aryanism have ever truly be concerned with a diet based on the ethical consideration of "do unto others as you would want done unto you". Westerners prove that they are immoral and unethical people simply by their diets alone.

(Not an endorsement of pro-Western Ghandi):

(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-greatness-of-a-nation-and-its-moral-progress-can-be-judged-by-the-way-its-animals-mahatma-gandhi-51-33-11.jpg)

Is nature\Yahweh also not cruel? Human-beings worked hard to remove themselves as much as possible from nature's laws via civilization, yet left all the other non-human people behind to continue to suffer from nature's laws, did they not?

There was widespread support for animal welfare in Nazi Germany[1] (German: Tierschutz im nationalsozialistischen Deutschland) among the country's leadership. Adolf Hitler and his top officials took a variety of measures to ensure animals were protected.[2]

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Several Nazis were environmentalists, and species protection and animal welfare were significant issues in the Nazi regime.[3] Heinrich Himmler made an effort to ban the hunting of animals.[4] Hermann Göring was a professed animal lover and conservationist,[5] who, on instructions from Hitler, committed Germans who violated Nazi animal welfare laws to concentration camps. In his private diaries, Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels described Hitler as a vegetarian whose hatred of the Jewish religion in large part stemmed from the ethical distinction this faith drew between the value of humans and the value of other animals; Goebbels also mentions that Hitler planned to ban slaughterhouses in the German Reich following the conclusion of World War II.[6] Nevertheless, animal testing was common in Nazi Germany.[7][8][9]

The current animal welfare laws in Germany were initially introduced by the Nazis.[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany

Ghandi did not realize that Hitler was not Western either:

(https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/3725899-Mahatma-Gandhi-Quote-I-do-not-consider-Hitler-to-be-as-bad-as-he.jpg)

Ghandi was a Humanist, just like Westerners still are today!:

(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d650ac85c2f4dd8d5bff2ce470f27fba-lq)

Ethically and morally speaking, do westerners not deserve to be treated the same exact way they have been treating non-human people, if not worse? Could non-humans ever wage an effective and just war against human-beings without the help of an anti-Western human?

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See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-diffusion/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-seriousness-in-environmentalism/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/leftist-vs-rightist-moral-circles/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/farming-vs-ranching/
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on March 15, 2023, 06:26:10 pm
https://twitter.com/dr_duchesne/status/1635001854995349504?s=20
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Dr. Ricardo Duchesne
@dr_duchesne
Blaming socialism is a strategy orchestrated by right wing establishment to sidetrack from the equal culpability of capitalist globalists in the promotion of immigration replacement and transsexualism. As Marx said, capitalism destroys traditions and makes the world homogenous.

https://twitter.com/dr_duchesne/status/1635001854995349504?s=20
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Carl Benjamin
@Sargon_of_Akkad
The salt that emerges when someone correctly points out that the Nazis were a socialist party, followed a form of socialism, and engaged in political violence as socialists is just delicious.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: antihellenistic on March 22, 2023, 11:43:48 pm
Communism only worked on the people who already adapt to industrialism and already accept capitalism

See the sentences which given bold if don't have time to read all of the quoted content

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Movement is the mode of existence of the entire material universe. Energy and matter are inseparable. Moreover, movement does not come "from outside", but is a manifestation of internal tensions which are inseparable not only from life, but also from all forms of matter. Development and change occur through internal contradictions. Thus, dialectical analysis begins by exposing these internal contradictions through empirical investigation which then results in development and change.

From a dialectical point of view all the "opposites" are one-sided and inadequate, including the contradiction between "truth and error". Marxism does not accept the existence of "Eternal Truth". All "truth" and "wrong" is relative. What is right at one time and context is wrong at another: right and wrong cross one another.

So the progress of knowledge and science does not start from the negation of an "incorrect theory". All theories are relative, explaining one side of reality. Initially they were assumed to have universal validity and application. They are "right". But at some point, the shortcomings of this theory began to be recognized; they can't be used for all situations, exceptions always exist. This had to be explainable, and at some point, new theories were developed to explain the exceptions. But these new theories not only "negate" the old, but also incorporate them in a new form.

We can set aside contradictions only by considering objects as inanimate things, static and situated separately from one another, that is, metaphysically. But once we understand things in their movement and change, in their life, in their interdependence and interaction, we encounter a series of contradictions.

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All forms of human society exist because it is a necessity of time: "No special order disappears before all the productive forces to which it belongs, have been developed: and new, higher relations of production never arise until the material conditions of their existence have sufficiently matured." in the womb of the old society. Mankind has therefore always taken up problems only which he can solve, for, on observing these problems more closely, we will always find that the problem itself arises only when the necessary material conditions for its solution already exist or are at least in the process of being formed. ”. (Marx, A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy).

Slavery, at its time, represented a great leap beyond barbarism. Slavery was a necessary stage in the development of the productive forces, culture and society. As explained by Hegel: "It is not from slavery, but through slavery that humans become free". (Hegel, Philosophy of History)

Likewise capitalism is also a necessary and progressive stage in society. However, like slavery, primitive communism and feudalism (see section 2), capitalism has long ceased to represent a necessary and progressive social system. It is already rickety because of the deep contradictions that lie within it, and will in time be overthrown by the rise of socialism, which is represented by the modern proletariat. Private ownership of the means of production and the nation-state, which are the basic features of capitalist society, which originally marked a step forward, now only hinders the development of the productive forces and threatens all the progress that has been made after centuries of human development.

Today capitalism is a porous and backward social system, which must be overthrown and replaced by its opposite, Socialism, if human culture is to survive. Marxism is determinist, but not fatalist, because the alignment of contradictions in society can only be achieved by humans who consciously seek to bring about the transformation of society. The struggle between these classes is not something that is natural. Who succeeds depends on many factors, and a rising progressive class has many advantages over an aging force of reaction. But in the end, the result must depend on which side is stronger determined, bigger organization and more talented and formidable leadership.

Therefore Marxist philosophy is essentially a guide to action: “Philosophers have interpreted the world in various ways; but the aim, after all, is to change it.” (Marx, Feuerbach's theses)

The victory of socialism will mark a new and clearly different stage in the history of mankind. More accurately, it would mark the end of humankind's prehistory, and begin real history.

But, on the other hand, socialism signifies our return to the earliest form of society - tribal communism - but at a much higher level, which stands above all the tremendous contributions made over the thousands of years of class society. An abundant economy will be made possible by the application of socialist planning to industry, science and engineering, which has been established by capitalism, on a global scale. This would in turn abolish the division of labour, the distinction between mental and physical labor, between town and country, and the barbaric and unnecessary class conflicts, and allow humanity to finally be able to allocate its resources to the domination of nature: in the words of Engels who famous, "Humanity's Leap from the world of necessity to the World of Freedom". (Marx and Engels,Capital Vol. III)

Translated by Sekar from “What is Marxism?” by Rob Sewell and Alan Woods (In Defence of Marxism)14th September 2018

In short, communism need capitalist and western colonialism in order to made the colonized being educated to manage the industry and technological advancements. And then they will support communism because feel oppressed by the capitalist unjust economic system which enforced by the colonialist. Communism can be applied only on highly industrialized and technologically advanced society. Therefore only the nation or community which expert to exploiting world's resources which able to accept communism. And the nations who can't do that will got preyed by the communist states in order to got introduced to industrialist oppressive system by the communist states. I hope China will not do this to the non-western states and instead see their main enemy is Western Civilization. Communism don't believe absolute truth, only relativism. Because it promoting human interest to reform into different way of life which suited for communist western industrial advancement. Communist viewed slavery are not evil, but necessary conditions to accept "human development"

Source : https://www.marxist.com/apa-itu-marxisme-bagian-pertama-materialisme-dialektis.htm
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: antihellenistic on April 01, 2023, 11:24:11 pm
Inferiority of Communist Doctrine

Communist saw everything relative depending on the society's material's progressive condition

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b) Everything is determined by circumstances, place and time

Recognizing that there is an organic mutual relationship between phenomena also means that the existence of something cannot be separated from the circumstances around it, or the existence of something that has certain conditions. The meaning of something is determined by the circumstances or situation. When the situation changes, the meaning also changes. For example, the growth of the capitalist mode of production or capitalism requires certain conditions, that is, on the one hand there is capital, on the other hand wage labor is available. And these conditions only existed at the end of the feudal era in Europe. At a time when capitalism has a revolutionary meaning against feudalism, the bourgeoisie has a revolutionary role against feudalism. But capitalism and the bourgeoisie in the countries of Western Europe and America are no longer revolutionary, but reactionary. Because the bourgeoisie in these countries no longer wants revolutionary changes in society, they are desperately defending a system of society that is no, they repeated what the feudal lords they had overthrown had done.

Thus it is clear that dialectical materialism is opposed to a frozen metaphysical view, which seeks to perpetuate or absolute something, or to look at and analyze something that is separated from its surroundings, from being separated from other things. For example, viewing capitalism as something that stands alone; because capitalism is a system of exploitation of humans by humans, it is considered a reactionary system and must be opposed absolutely anywhere and at any time. As a continuation of this erroneous assumption, is to assess the position of the national capitalists in our present country definitively as a reactionary class, because they consider the paying class. Thus, they do not see each other in conflict with imperialism and feudalism, so that the revolutionary role of the national bourgeoisie is not seen at the present stage of the Indonesian revolution which is objectively anti-imperialism and anti-feudalism.

In short, with this view of mutual relations, we teach that when looking at and solving a problem, do not separate it from the relationship as a whole, because there is nothing that has no cause or effect, everything is determined by circumstances, place and time.

Source : https://www.marxists.org/indonesia/indones/1962-AiditTentangMarxisme.htm

Recall on what Marx view on "black" slavery by the "whites"

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"Without slavery, North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe out North America from the map of the world and you will have anarchy— the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Abolish slavery and you will have wiped America off the map of nations.10- Karl Heinrich Marx

What Marx was saying in effect was that Negro slaves were needed to produce raw cotton; cotton was the basic raw material of modern capitalist industry; therefore, Negro slavery was necessary to the survival of America and to the survival of modern civilization.

Source : Karl Marx Racist by Nathaniel Weyl, page 75

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Slavery, at its time, represented a great leap beyond barbarism. Slavery was a necessary stage in the development of the productive forces, culture and society. As explained by Hegel: "It is not from slavery, but through slavery that humans become free". (Hegel, Philosophy of History)

Source : https://www.marxist.com/apa-itu-marxisme-bagian-pertama-materialisme-dialektis.htm

Try to compare what Marx say with what Hegel say. They both not consider slavery as absolutely bad for the sake supporting "material progress"




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Kill Western Civilization, no Compromise

Title: Re: Communism
Post by: antihellenistic on April 13, 2023, 07:49:21 am
Communism's theory of Dialectical Materialism justify colonialism for the sake forcing people of a community into history and western industrial way of life

Marx in Neue Rheinische Zeitung February 1849
Democratic Pan-Slavism [314]
by Frederick Engels
Neue Rheinische Zeitung No. 222
Translated by the Marx-Engels Institute
Transcribed for the Internet by director@marx.org, 1994

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels on this letter justified "white German" people's colonization of the "white Slavic" peoples for the sake their adoption into western industrial living and they more prefer the Slavs to live under German colonialism rather than subjugated by the Islamic Ottoman Caliphate

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Cologne, February 14, 1849...Peoples which have never had a history of their own, which from the time when they achieved the first, most elementary stage of civilization already came under foreign sway, or which were forced to attain the first stage of civilization only by means of a foreign yoke, are not viable and will never be able to achieve any kind of independence.

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In point of fact, the position of the Germans and Magyars would be extremely pleasant if the Austrian Slavs were assisted to get their so-called rights! An independent Bohemian-Moravian state would be wedged between Silesia and Austria; Austria and Styria would be cut off by the "South-Slav republic" from their natural debouche [outlet] - the Adriatic Sea and the Mediterranean; and the eastern part of Germany would be torn to pieces like a loaf of bread that has been gnawed by rats! And all that by way of thanks for the Germans having given themselves the trouble of civilizing the stubborn Czechs and Slovenes, and introducing among them trade, industry, a tolerable degree of agriculture, and culture!

But it is precisely this yoke imposed on the Slavs under the pretext of civilization that is said to constitute one of the greatest crimes of the Germans and Magyars! Just listen to this:

"Rightly do you rage, rightly do you breathe vengeance against the damnable German policy, which has thought of nothing but your ruin, which has enslaved you for centuries...." p.5

"... The Magyars, the bitter enemies of our race, who number hardly four millions, have presumed to seek to impose their yoke on eight million Slavs...." p.9

"I know all that the Magyars have done to our Slav brothers, what crimes they have committed against our nationality, and how they have trampled underfoot our language and independence." p.30


What then are the great, dreadful crimes committed by the Germans and Magyars against the Slav nationality? We are not speaking here of the partition of Poland, which is not at issue here, we are speaking of the "centuries of injustice" supposed to have been inflicted on the Slavs.

In the north, the Germans have reconquered from the Slavs the formerly German and subsequently Slav region from the Elbe to the Warthe; a conquest which as determined by the "geographical and strategical necessities" resulting from the partition of the Carolingian kingdom. These Slavs areas have been fully Germanized; the thing has been done and cannot be undone, unless the pan-Slavists were to resurrect the lost Sorbian, Wendish, and Obodritian languages and impose them on the inhabitants of Leipzig, Berlin and Stettin. But up to now it has never been disputed that this conquest was to the advantage of civilization.

In the south, the Germans found the Slav races already split up. That had been seen to by the non-Slav Avars, who occupied the region later inhabited by the Magyars. The Germans exacted tribute from these Slavs and waged many wars against them. They fought also against the Avars and Magyars, from whom they took the whole territory from the Ems to the Leitha. Whereas they carried out Germanization here by force, the Germanization of the Slav territories proceeded much more on a peaceful basis, by immigration and by the influence of the more developed nation on the undeveloped. German industry, German trade, and German culture by themselves served to introduce the German language into the country. As far as "oppression" is concerned, the Slavs were not more oppressed by the Germans than the mass of the German population itself.

As regards the Magyars, there are certainly also a large number of Germans in Hungary, but the Magyars, although numbering "hardly four millions", have never had the occasion to complain of the "damnable German policy"! And if during eight centuries the "eight million Slavs" have had to suffer the yoke imposed on them by the four million Magyars, that alone sufficiently proves which was the more viable and vigorous, the many Slavs or the few Magyars!

But, of course, the greatest "crime" of the Germans and Magyars is that they prevented these 12 million Slavs from becoming Turkish! What would have become of these scattered small nationalities, which have played such a pitiful role in history, if the Magyars and Germans had not kept them together and led them against the armies of Mohammed and Suleiman, and if their so-called oppressors had not decided the outcome of the battles which were fought for the defense of these weak nationalities! The fate of the "12 million Slavs, Wallachians, and Greeks" who have been "trampled underfoot by 700,000 Osmans" (page eight), right up to the present day, does not that speak eloquently enough?

And finally, what a "crime" it is, what a "damnable policy" that at a time when, in Europe in general, big monarchies had become a "historical necessity", the Germans and Magyars untied all these small, stunted and impotent little nations into a single big state and thereby enabled them to take part in a historical development from which, left to themselves, they would have remained completely aloof! Of course, matters of this kind cannot be accomplished without many a tender national blossom being forcibly broken. But in history nothing is achieved without violence and implacable ruthlessness, and if Alexander, Caesar, and Napoleon had been capable of being moved by the same sort of appeal as that which pan-Slavism now makes on behalf of its ruined clients, what would have become of history! And are the Persians, Celts, and Christian Germans of less value than the Czechs, Ogulians, and Serezhans?

Now, however, as a result of the powerful progress of industry, trade and communications, political centralization has become a much more urgent need than it was then, in the 15th and 16th centuries. What still has to be centralized is being centralized. And now the pan-Slavists come forward and demand that we should "set free" these half-Germanized Slavs, and that we should abolish a centralization which is being forced on these Slavs by all their material interests!

In short, it turns out these "crimes" of the Germans and Magyars against the said Slavs are among the best and most praiseworthy deeds which our and the Magyar people can boast in their history.

Moreover, as far as the Magyars are concerned, it should be specially pointed out here that, particularly since the revolution, they have acted too much submissively and weakly against the puffed-up Croats. It is notorious that Kossuth made all possible concessions to them, excepting only that their deputies were not allowed to speak the Croatian in the Diet. And thus submissiveness to a nation that is counter-revolutionary by nature is the only thing with which the Magyars can be reproached.

Source : https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1849/02/15.htm
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on April 16, 2023, 08:02:28 pm
Gottfried is correct on what communism is, but he still makes the error of calling wokeism (or at least the False Left version of it) "Cultural Marxism". Here is Duchesne correcting him on it:
https://twitter.com/dr_duchesne/status/1646151076331024387?s=20
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Gottfried is of course correct that Marxism is not woke, though it was a radically progressive ism for its time --- but he is not right identifying wokeism with cultural Marxism, and calling it a new form of collectivism: it is liberalism and it is individualistic.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: antihellenistic on June 16, 2023, 02:11:04 am
The real Communist View towards Society

If you don't have time, read the sentences which given by red bold

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On September 14, 1901, the Social Democratic Herald characterized Negroes as inferior, depraved elements who went around “raping women [and] children.”20 In an article in the same organ, dated May 31, 1902, Victor L. Berger, one of the national leaders of the Socialist Party, wrote that “there can be no doubt that the negroes and mulattoes constitute a lower race” and that “free contact with the whites has led to further degeneration of the negroes.

A Conservative History of the American Left by Daniel J. Flynn page 161

https://archive.org/details/conservativehist0000flyn/page/160/mode/2up?q=lower


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Apparently the International Socialist Bureau was content with this explanation.

Despite differences of opinions as to the causes of race hatred, both Center and Right agreed that socialism was exclusively an economic movement and had nothing to do with social equality. The party would insist that under socialism both Negro and white workers received all they produced. But that did not mean that the two races would work in the same factories or even live in the same cities. Center and Right-wing Socialist explained that Negroes and whites did not want to associate. It was capitalism that forced them to live and work together. Socialism would solve the race question in the only possible manner-complete segregration.128 Until socialism was achieved there was no objection to separate Negro communities, schools, and Socialist locals.129 There were no Negroes in southern Socialist locals,130 but the Center and Right-wing Socialist insisted that this was not discrimination. Jews also live apart from gentiles, and "no one will claim that there is, in any civilized community deserving the name, any vestige of ill-will between the two peoples."131

There is no record that the party ever actively opposed discrimination against Negroes from 1901 to 1912. Only one resolution on the subject was offered to the National Committee. In 1906 President Roosevelt dismissed without trial and apparently without justification three companies of Negro troops in connection with a riot at Brownsville, Texas.132 A member of the Socialist National Committee moved that the committee condemn Roosevelt's action. The Right and Center objected to this "attempt to inject the negro question into the Socialist Party." The Left objected because the army was a "capitalist tool" and Socialist were not interested in army justice. The motion was defeated, 28 to 4, with 25 abstentions.133

The party Left wing had no use for distinctions between economic, political, and social equality. Debs opposed all discrimination and toured the South calling on the Negro to reject the false doctrines of "meekness and humility." Only through organized struggle in the labor and socialist movement, said Debs, would the Negro win equality.134 The Left held that the South should not be permitted to build segregrated locals. Southern Socialist should work to wipe out race prejudice and discrimination.135 The party must engage in active propaganda and organization among Negroes.136 As the years passed with no organized work among Negroes and with race prejudice apparently increasing among Socialist, some members of the Left became increasingly bitter in their criticism of party chauvinism.137 But despite their theoretical stand for Negro equality, the Left made virtually no effort to use the party in a struggle for Negro rights. Those Socialist who felt the urgency of work among minorities turned more and more to the Industrial Workers of the World as the organization that was not afraid to fight.138

From these conflicting conceptions of socialist theory, organization, and activity it is not possible to generalize with certainty on what the Socialist Party as a party thought it was doing or accomplishing. At best it can be said that from 1901 through 1904 most Socialist considered socialism a science whose leading expounders had been Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. This science showed that new industrial techniques were rendering obsolete the capitalist form of production and distribution. Economic law made the transition to socialism inevitable. The Socialist Party was to be exclusively a political or electoral organization for which workers and farsighted farmers and members of the middle class would cast their votes. Socialism would be ushered in either after the national and local electoral triumph of the Party (Center-Left position) or as the almost unnoticed culmination of a long series of reforms (Right-wing position). Participation in the problems of minority groups or in the economic struggles of labor was at most of secondary importance. The major concern of the party was education leading to votes for Socialist candidates. And that meant speeches and distribution of literature.

The American Socialist Movement by Ira Kipnis, 1897-1912 page 132 until 134

https://archive.org/details/americansocialis0000irak/page/132/mode/2up

How can American communists behave like today's the American republicans and Europe's western conservatives? Are they the real implementer of Cultural Marxism?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on August 02, 2023, 01:22:17 pm
https://incels.is/threads/marxist-rodgerism-is-the-way.415774/
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 It may seem difficult to understand the realities of the blackpill. It may be hard to come to terms with how - and why - the world functions as it does. And even when you do, it is even harder to understand where to go next.

But there is one set of techniques which shines a clear light on the world we live in. A scientific and logical analysis of systems of limited resources - Marxism. When we undertake a Marxist analysis of the sexual economy, we immediately find its nuances explained and its realities presented for all to see.

The fundamental element of inequality is exploitation. In economic Marxism, exploitation occurs when a capitalist takes most of the value a worker's labor creates, leaving them barely enough to survive. In other words, the worker's surplus value is stolen from them. This is how capitalists make profits. Sometimes, the capitalists let some segments of workers keep more of their value, in order to bribe and pacify them.

In the sexual economy, there are two distinct classes of men - Chads...and everyone else. There is a group which keeps most women for itself - the Chad-Bourgeois - and a much larger group which, despite being responsible for maintaining global civilization with their labor so that Chad is free to take all he wants, is denied most women. These are the sexual proletariat.

The sexuality of women should be evenly spread among society, but it is not. Instead, it is commodified by sexual capitalism and given to Chad. The Chad-Bourgeoisie allow the sexual proletariat to have just as much **** as they need to keep the human race alive through reproduction. But even here is it not fair; the proletariat get Chad's leftovers - only when the Chad-Bourgeois no longer want a woman does she go to settle down, marry, and reproduce with a non-Chad.

Now, I mentioned before that the economic bourgeois sometimes bribe workers by giving them more than they would otherwise. In the modern era, the Chad-Bourgeois are facing a world where the proletariat is no longer consigned to the feudal life of arranged marriages without any questions asked, and can see the reality of sexual inequality via media and their own insights. The Chad-Bourgeois responds by bribing the sexual proletariat - they, too, are now allowed to have sex before marriage, and perhaps **** many women. These women are, of course, still the ones Chad doesn't want, but it bribes most of the world. Remember, this happened when the sexual free market, where women can now choose their partners without having to marry a non-Chad in the end, replaced the Feudal system of arranged marriage. This is sexual capitalism.

The people so bribed are normies. This is the main reason why normies are blind to the sexual capitalist system and lack revolutionary potential.

But the system is imperfect. Due to the female's nature, not all members of the proletariat can be bribed just by the Chad-Bourgeois allowing (pseudo) free sex for everyone. A group at the bottom is inevitability left out - incels.

As sexual feudalism shifted to sexual capitalism, a contradiction was exposed - the Contradiction of Sexual Capitalism is the existence of incels, and the conclusion of the capitalist stage of history must be the resolving of this contradiction. Due to how females are hardwired to be only attracted to Chads, incels always lose in a sexual free market. Many females would rather be single than marry an incel, and a result the incels become a class which doesn't even get marriage, much less any additional bribes. Due to their extreme condition, the incels become "blackpilled" and see the system as it is. The incels thus attain class consciousness.

The basic structure of the sexual world is that the Chad-Bourgeois take all the **** they can, especially the desirable kind, while eventually passing their leftovers to the sexual proletariat as bribes and allowances. Among the latter group, those are who successfully bribed are normies, and those who become class conscious are incels.

So how do the Chad-Bourgeois manage to keep society under their control, even with incels attain class consciousness? In Marxism, the answer is the Base and superstructure. In a sexual capitalist society, all we know is shaped by the system of sexual economy we live in. Our culture, beliefs, and so on are bent to conform to and reinforce the Chad-Bourgeois narrative. In order to prevent the sexual proletariat from attaining class consciousness, the Chad-Bourgouse use culture to create a false consciousness for them to live in instead.

The key to understanding this is to understand that truth is relative to one's class. Comrade Lenin explained this with his concept of partiinost, party truth. What is "true" depends on your class, truth for one class may be falsehood for another. Thus, what class's "truth" you're listening to is very important.

For example, let's take the Chad-Bourgeois idea of "confidence." Confidence is an intentionally vague idea to explain Chad's sexual success as anything besides winning the genetic lottery. It is said that someone - anyone - with "confidence" can also live like Chad does. For the Chad-Bourgoise, this is true. All a Chad has to do is be willing step outside or set up an online dating profile and they will get all the **** they want. However, for the rest of the world, this is not the case. By enforcing the idea of confidence instead of genetic luck, Chad yet again bribes the sexual proletariat - bribes them with hope. The idea of confidence explains structural inequality as personal failure - in the same way the capitalist tells the exploited worker that he, too, would be rich if he only worked harder, so does the Chad tell the sexual proletariat that they could have sex if they were only just a little more confident. In this way, the sexual proletariat are blamed for their own oppression - their celibacy is a result of their own moral failings, because they were not "confident" enough. The Chad-Bourgeois present themselves as having earned the **** they inherent, while the rest of the world deserves to live without. Confidence is just one example of how sexual capitalism distorts culture and creates false narratives to keep people blind.

Normies love false narratives because they are bribed. A normie, who may have even had sex, believes that his success in the past means the confidence narrative and so on is true - he can truly be a Chad, if he works hard enough! Thus the normies convince themselves Chad's world is not only fair but desirable, because they too might have a chance of being chad.

Normies are deceived to varying degrees.

A regular normie has had their bribe a few times and doesn't bother to think about the realities of exploitation and the sexual economy. These normies can be blackpilled with evidence, but most of them just double down on the false consciousness due to their hope that they can be a Chad.

A beta is a normie who is faced with the reality of sexual inequality. He may be an orbiter, hanging around women in the hope he'll get sex. He may be a nice guy, who is nice to women for the same reason. He may be cucked, whereby he shares a single woman with other men so that he can at least get laid. Though he may deny it, he is painfully aware of these material and sexual realities.

A white knight has come against a blackpill before, and it scared them. They swing the other way - they actively try and spread Chad's narrative and enforce it, because they are trying convince themselves. There is great overlap between white knights and Betas, as the latter often exhibit white knight behavior. Many Betas turn into white knights when confronted with the black pill.

All normies have one thing in common - they do not want to accept the reality of the blackpill because they want to continue to believe they can be Chad. Another element is that they enjoy Chad's narrative when it suits them - regarding incels. They don't like to remember that Chad is sexually more successful then them because he is just better....but that's not so bad if it means that they are better than incels in turn, since they at least "earned" some sex and incels could not! In economic capitalism, the reality of economic status defined by class is ignored in favor of an individualist, democratic narrative, and sexual capitalism works the same way. The realities of incels and the Chad-Bourgeois are overlooked in favor of the lie that it's all about individual action, that any individual can work his way to the top of the sexual marketplace through hard work and imaginary concepts like "confidence."

By the methods described above, the Chad-Bourgeois extract all of the surplus value - in this context, surplus **** - from the workers/sexual proletariat for themselves, and maintain the system through bribing normies and creating false consciousness. But here's where it gets really interesting - the immortal science of historical materialism explains even more than this.

Everyone knows that even among Chads there is a hierarchy - a racial hierarchy, with white Chad at the top. In the 1960s, Comrade Mao Zedong developed Marxist-Leninist-Maoism to explain the differences between the first world and the third world. Maoism reveals the first world exploits the third world through imperialism, and sets up a global class hierarchy of sorts. This economic hierarchy in turn ties into a sexual hierarchy - one where the imperialist white Chads are above the colonized Chads. A critique of imperialism explains the racial Chad hierarchy - which, of course, filters down into the sexual proletariat as well.

Following this trend, we can see the close interconnection between looks (Chad privilege) and economic success. Females like money and power...and it seems Chad ends up with those as well.

We all know that studies have proven Chads are much more likely to succeed in economic sphere. They are given quality jobs and often end up in very social, very prestigious positions like executive officers. But this shows us that wealth comes second. Poor Chads still dominate the sexual proletariat, and their poverty, on average, never lasts long. In other words, sexual inequality comes before economic inequality, and due to how intertwined they are, it means that economic inequality is a consequence of sexual inequality due to society's constant preference for Chad. Sexual inequality predates economic capitalism, feudalism, even primitive tribalism - sexual inequality is the original and eternal form of hierarchy, it is harbinger of all other inequalities in other areas.

Thus, the Revolutionary and Immortal Science of Marxist-Rodgerism is born. We see that the fundamental conflict is between the well endowed Chad-Bourgeoisie and the sexual proletariat, and that all other conflicts ultimately derive from this great inequality. We see that the Chad-Bourgeois manipulates culture and society to further its narratives and worldview to maintain this power structure. Finally, we must conclude that the only way forward for humanity is to dismantle the system of sexual capitalism so that sex can be distributed fairly to all members of society.

Incels of the world, rise up! You have nothing to lose but your chains!

Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 02, 2023, 04:41:42 pm
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There is a group which keeps most women for itself - the Chad-Bourgeois - and a much larger group which, despite being responsible for maintaining global civilization with their labor so that Chad is free to take all he wants, is denied most women.

Here is the fundamental fallacy: it is not that Chads are prohibiting women who want to have sex with incels from doing so; it is that that the women themselves do not choose incels to have sex with when allowed to choose freely!

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The sexuality of women should be evenly spread among society

This is a defining characteristic of patriarchy. And this is what Western civilization historically did to a greater extent than non-Western civilizations:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-and-sexism/msg21211/#msg21211

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-and-sexism/msg17109/#msg17109

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-and-sexism/msg19064/#msg19064
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: antihellenistic on August 22, 2023, 06:37:18 am
Real-Marxism historically ever implemented

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Real example of Cultural Marxism. Western Conservativism tradition with radical industrialism and democratization

Recall :

https://chroniclesmagazine.org/view/marx-was-not-woke/
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: .. on September 13, 2023, 10:21:21 pm
The Bolshevik poison has no boundaries and has no limits, it's like a swift moving virus that has now infected the globe. Hitler was right about this danger, what people has enough stamina to give it the death blow?   
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: . on September 14, 2023, 04:59:31 pm
No expense can be spared, all forces must be strengthened and totally united to deal with this plague wherever it manifests. 
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: antihellenistic on November 28, 2023, 01:26:31 am
The Dark History of Paris Commune

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The early history of France’s Third Republic provides another example of the passage to working-class respectability in a colonial context.The new regime was born in the crisis of military defeat and revolution, dramatized above all by the fiery apocalypse of the Paris Commune, which represented the final major manifestation of the insurgent Parisian crowd that had haunted French politics since 1789. The bloody defeat of the Communards definitively exorcised this threat, rendering the creation of a viable liberal democracy possible in the last quarter of the nineteenth century.68

Conquest of the Commune by the forces of conservatism in 1871 was  a victory for both liberal democracy and empire. The images of savagery that surrounded the Communards, most notably the portrayals of  Communard women as incendiary Amazons, strongly suggested the triumph of civilization over barbarity.69 It is worth noting that a leading punishment for those insurgents who survived the government’s vicious repression was deportation to the colonies: more than four thousand were sent to New Caledonia alone. When in 1878 the indigenous peoples of the island staged a major revolt against the French, the bulk of the Communard exiles sided with the colonial authorities against the insurgents, some even taking up arms and joining the forces of order to suppress the Kanaks. As Alice Bullard has noted, in New Caledonia two visions of savagery, political and racial, confronted each other. A year  later, the Communard veterans were allowed to return to France and  the French state amnestied them in 1880. By abjuring their own insurgent traditions and taking up the cause of imperial authority, the former Communards symbolized the alliance of liberal democracy and empire  that lay at the heart of the Third Republic.70

Source :

White Freedom The Racial History of an Idea Tyler Edward Stovall 2021 Princeton University Press page 167, 168
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: antihellenistic on November 28, 2023, 07:44:48 pm
Discriminative Communist Movement Post-World War I

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Workers of the world, unite and fight for a white South Africa. - South Africa Industrial Federation, 1922

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The renewed emphasis on whiteness after World War I also took place within several Western nations. As we have seen, the war itself had brought large numbers of men of color to Europe, especially France, and in the United States had fueled the first Great Migration of African-Americans to the North.64 The end of the war brought a powerful rejection of this wartime multiculturalism and a reassertion of whiteness, at times in conjunction with radical and revolutionary labor movements.  The ultimate example of this came in 1922, when striking South African miners adopted the slogan Workers of the world unite and fight for a white
South Africa,
but this was not an isolated incident.65 The year 1919 in particular saw intense labor and revolutionary struggles as well as widespread race riots. From January to August of that year, for example, a  series of riots erupted in Britain’s port cities, as white sailors and longshoremen attacked men from the Caribbean, Africa, and South Asia and the Middle East. In a climate of postwar economic downturn, white port workers and their unions attacked nonwhites for “taking” their jobs, often successfully expelling them from increasingly white workplaces on the docks of Liverpool, Bristol, London, and other cities. This took place in a climate of radical working-class politics in general, so that in Glasgow Scottish workers seemed to threaten revolution.66

The situation was more extreme in France. During the war France  had brought in more than 300,000 workers from its colonies and China  to labor in its factories and fields. With the end of the war, tensions increased between industry, the government, and the unions over the role of labor in the postwar period. Dazzled by the specter of the Russian  Revolution, many French workers moved sharply to the left, leading to the creation of the French Communist Party at the end of 1920.67 At the  same time, however, France needed labor more than ever. Roughly 1.6  million Frenchmen had died in the war, and many more had returned  wounded and unable to work. Moreover, the nation had one of the lowest birth rates in Europe and would soon achieve negative population growth in the interwar years, while at the same time it needed more workers to rebuild the country and repair the destruction caused by the war.68

In this revolutionary climate, however, the one thing all the major parties could agree on was the need to get rid of colonial workers. By the end of 1919 French authorities had rounded up and repatriated  90 percent of the “exotic” workers in the country. At the same time, it made new arrangements to bring foreign workers from Southern and  Eastern Europe, whose numbers would swell to the millions in the  1920s. In making the argument for European over colonial labor, French  authorities made clear their desire to reverse the multiracial immigration that had begun during the war, saying “[It is necessary] To call  upon labor of European origin, in preference to colonial or exotic labor, because of the social and ethnic difficulties which could arise from the  presence upon French soil of ethnographic elements too clearly distinct  from the rest of the population.”69 The choice of European over “exotic”  workers was a clear statement of the importance of whiteness to the  character of the nation, and it paralleled the contrast between the extension of liberal democracy in postwar Europe and the continuation of  imperial rule in postwar Asia and Africa.70

Source :

White Freedom The Racial History of an Idea Tyler Edward Stovall 2021 Princeton University Press page 219, 222, 223

Recall :

Marx Was Not Woke April 2023 by Paul Gottfried

https://chroniclesmagazine.org/view/marx-was-not-woke/
Title: Re: Western Democracy
Post by: antihellenistic on December 18, 2023, 12:25:41 am
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At the beginning of his research, Prof. Vanhanen theorized that democratic countries were more likely than authoritarian ones to be able to contain ethnic discord, because people could express nepotism thorough politics rather than through violence. In order to test this theory he calculated something called the Index of Democracy for each country, and plotted it against levels of group conflict. He found that as a general rule, the presence or lack of democratic government seems to account for only about 10 percent of the level of conflict, leading him to conclude that “the level of ethnic conflicts seems to be nearly independent from the degree of democratization.” Part of the problem is that democracy is usually found in countries that are ethnically homogeneous, where there is probably not much conflict anyway. When the EH index is held constant, differences in the degree of democracy do not seem to have much effect on the level of conflict.

...

As a general rule, Prof. Vanhanen finds that former Communists countries and former parts of the Soviet Union have higher levels of conflict than their levels of diversity would suggest. This is probably because Communist regimes kept ethnic struggles bottled up, and they are only now reappearing. Prof. Vanhanen predicts that although Cuba has followed the Communist practice of suppressing racial strife; as soon as Cubans are free to express themselves, conflict is likely to break into the open.

Prof. Vanhanen finds that miscegenation can take the edge off ethnic conflict. He offers Brazil as an example of extensive interbreeding that dilutes racial boundaries that would otherwise be much sharper.

Source :

The Anatomy of Ethnic Conflict Thomas Jackson, American Renaissance, June 2002 Posted on April 17, 2019

https://www.amren.com/news/2019/04/anatomy-ethnic-conflict-tatu-vanhanen/

Recall :

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“We must accept the mixing of blood as it is. We must not call one blood worse than another, one mixture better than another. Rather, we must employ other means to breed a higher form from this gray mass. We must try’ to bring to the surface the valuable traits ofthe people living in Germany, to cultivate and to develop them, and we must find ways and means to prevent the propagation of all the bad, inferior, criminal, and decadent tendencies and all the congenital diseases so damaging to the Volk. - Adolf Hitler

Source :

Wagener - Hitler Memoirs of a Confidant page 214
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 30, 2023, 12:48:42 am
Our enemies continue to explain what "based" really means:

https://incels.is/threads/che-guevara-was-absolutely-based.522799/

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Ernesto "Che" Guevara was a White supremacist and a homophobe.
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in his youth he tortured small animals and he enjoyed watching his victims suffer and die and took great pleasure in looking them right in their eyes as he killed them.
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Anyone who deviated from the “new man” was seen as a ”counter-revolutionary.” Such was the case of gay men —whom Guevara referred to as “sexual perverts.” Both Guevara and Castro considered homosexuality a bourgeois decadence.
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Guevara also espoused racist views. In his diary, he referred to black people as “those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing.” He also thought white Europeans were superior to people of African descent, and described Mexicans as “a band of illiterate Indians.”
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BASED GUEVARA.

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I always found it funny how libtards will buy T shirts of Che Guerva from private companies while claiming he would agree with all of their views. All communists historically hated ****

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Title: Re: Random Thoughts....
Post by: antihellenistic on February 18, 2024, 07:22:30 pm
Luxury goods are created with mass natural resources and human resources based on quantity and complex competence. Therefore it always resulted in high-priced products that are hardly reachable. It resulted in jealousy for the people who could not afford it and society's distrust to the state. Because the state tends to be suspected as pro-bourgeoisie, they let the bourgeoisie consume high-priced products with high quality when the mass of lower-class people had difficulties getting it, seeing that the lower-class always produced small income. So, to achieve socialism and equivalence, low-price products with acceptable quality must be encouraged and high-price and complex products with high quality must be reduced or even removed. Socialism cannot be achieved by letting social jealousy. On the contrary, communists want every people got luxurious goods even though they consume a mass of natural resources and need human resources that understand complexity, which is impossible to do. Because natural resources are finite and material complexity always hardly integrates people, usually people who are naturally low on their intelligence.

Therefore communism is fake socialism, more correctly mentioned as "state capitalism"
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on April 06, 2024, 11:46:32 pm
I academically agree with this:
https://twitter.com/hindookissinger/status/1776338801583088112?t=LSTHVqHss5f7rTVnkhqxIg&s=19
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Yeah, you are. But you're an Indian Commie, the shitty variant that produces deindustrialised states and might be worse than the British Raj. Please don't equate yourself to space faring, frontiers of science expanding, militaristic, virile, Soviets and Chinese. Thanks.

https://twitter.com/hindookissinger/status/1776342100617068886?t=a9ee4iYIh_NzONgWyUK14A&s=19
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No serious Communist would support **** like "federalism" (codename for local kulaks running their Satrapy). Centralized States are what have the ability to create classless societies.

https://twitter.com/hindookissinger/status/1776342268934492579?t=h5MhF0mfkj_GVDsvTPU8KA&s=19
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Pajeet Communism is one of the saddest things in  existence.

The fact that Communism failed in India where it was supposed to have the most appeal...is a testament to how **** useless Pajeet Communists are.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 07, 2024, 12:30:46 am
So you mean what Indian Communism aims for is wrong, but it will fail to achieve its own aims, therefore we should support it?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on April 07, 2024, 12:37:36 am
No. They will end up making India more Westernized regardless through their retarded "social reforms" so we should not.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 07, 2024, 12:51:49 am
To say you "academically agree" with something is supposed to mean you consider the analysis to be accurate but are opposed to the analyst in objective, thus if the analyst is pessimistic, you are optimistic, and vice versa.

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the shitty variant that produces deindustrialised states

Is not deindustrialization what we want?

Please explain your position in full in order to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on April 07, 2024, 02:28:12 pm
"Is not deindustrialization what we want?"
Yes. But deindustrialization is only one of the results. The eventual outcome will be full on Westernization (from a social perspective) and propagation of subaltern behavior (beef eating, etc.) and the complete eradication of any Aryan high culture. Think of Mao's cultural revolution, but without the industrialization.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 07, 2024, 05:49:41 pm
What you are saying now is quite different from what the quoted tweeter is saying.

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Please don't equate yourself to space faring, frontiers of science expanding, militaristic, virile, Soviets and Chinese.

This seems to be what they think justifies communism. You don't agree with this, do you?
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on April 07, 2024, 07:56:53 pm
I don't agree that if justifies communism. However, I agree that the Indian communists are simply too incompetent to achieve it.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: rp on April 10, 2024, 10:25:16 pm
https://twitter.com/monke_deluffy/status/1764536566096232481?t=gzIRvUAp6QVERvNQBB3Eow&s=19
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Karl marx believed non-Europeans were uncivilised barbarians just like any other thinkers of that time. third world pajeet communists worshipping a german malechha cant be a human being for sure.
Title: Re: Communism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 10, 2024, 11:35:21 pm
See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/racial-view-of-western-philosopher-from-john-locke-to-karl-marx/msg17367/?topicseen#msg17367

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/racial-view-of-western-philosopher-from-john-locke-to-karl-marx/msg18839/?topicseen#msg18839

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/racial-view-of-western-philosopher-from-john-locke-to-karl-marx/msg24541/#msg24541