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Title: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 09, 2020, 01:58:46 am
OLD CONTENT

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7988029/Remains-Neolithic-immigrants-brutally-executed-territory-7-000-years-ago.html

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The remains of Neolithic immigrants uncovered in modern-day Spain reveal they were brutally executed in a 'xenophobic murderous frenzy' over 7,000 years ago.

An international team of archaeologists excavated a cave in the modern day Spanish Pyrenees and found the mutilated remains of five adults and four children.

The children were aged between three and seven and all nine of the people in the cage had not just been shot with arrows but beaten, even after they had died.
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The gruesome discovery was found in the Els Trocs cave which is in the mountain landscape of the Huesca region.

It required painstaking excavation to avoid damaging the fragile ancient remains in what would have been both hunting and farming land.

The remains have been dated to about 5,300 BC, which is when hunter-gatherers were being replaced by farmers.
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Genetic data from the victims found they were in the first wave of immigrants from the Middle East, who spread throughout Europe about 10,000 years ago.

The discovery in the cave documents an early escalation of violence between people of 'conceivably different origins and worldviews',
according to the paper.
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The researchers studied the genome of the victims of the attack and found that two of them were father and son - a male of about 30 and a boy of about six.

The other three children had different mothers and the genomes haven't been studied to the same detail.

It is likely they were all part of the same cultural group though, possibility farming immigrants coming in to an area dominated by hunter gatherers.

Nothing has changed.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 09, 2020, 02:07:58 am
Joetnar evolution confirmed:

https://phys.org/news/2020-09-ancient-hunters-frozen-northern-europe.html

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Ancient hunters stayed in the coldest part of Northern Europe rather than migrating to escape freezing winter conditions, archeologists have found.

Evidence from Arctic fox bones show communities living around 27,500 years ago were killing small prey in the inhospitable North European Plains during the winter months of the last Ice Age.

Researchers have found no evidence of dwellings, suggesting people only stayed for a short time or lived in tents in the area excavated, Kraków Spadzista in Southern Poland—one of the largest Upper Paleolithic sites in Central Europe. Until now it wasn't clear if people retreated elsewhere each winter to avoid the intense cold.

Dr. Alexander Pryor, from the University of Exeter, who led the study, said: "Our research shows the cold harsh winter climates of the last ice age were no barrier to human activity in the area. Hunters made very specific choices about where and when to kill their prey."

Inhabitants of Kraków Spadzista around 27,500 years ago killed and butchered large numbers of wooly mammoths and arctic foxes at the site. For the first time, the research team were able to reconstruct details of how the foxes were moving around in the landscape before they died, and also what time of the year they died, through analyzing the internal chemistry and growth structures of their tooth enamel and roots.

The analysis of teeth from four of the 29 hunted foxes show each was born and grew up in a different location, and had migrated either tens or hundreds of kilometers to the region before being killed by hunters—by snares, deadfalls or other trapping methods—for both their thick warm furs as well as meat and fat for food. The carcasses were brought back to the site to be skinned and butchered.
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Dr. Pryor said: "Arctic fox provided both food and hides to Paleolithic hunters, with their fur coats reaching full length around the beginning of December; this winter fur usually begins shedding by early spring. They also lay down substantial stores of body fats seasonally that are greatest from late autumn throughout the winter season and do not start to become seriously depleted until early spring. Hunters most likely targeted the foxes in the late winter period—before the onset of fur shedding and loss of critical fat supplies. The high numbers of fox remains found at the site suggests what was happening was a deliberate, organized procurement strategy rather than just simple incidental hunting."

The analysis of teeth suggests hunters engaged in large-scale winter hunting of solitary Arctic foxes that were ranging widely across the landscape. The site was used as a base camp for ranging visits to maintain trapping lines and for processing hides.

Krakow Spadzista was one of the most northerly sites in central Europe during the Late Gravettian when much of the northern plains region had already been abandoned. Mean annual temperature was between −1.0 °C and +4.3 °C.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: johnnyjohnnyjohnny on September 24, 2020, 04:33:33 am

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when hunter-gatherers were being replaced by farmers.
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Conquering settlers replacing the innocent native population. hmmm, sounds familiar, where have I heard of that before? Oh right, sounds exactly like the situation we have in Occupied Palestine between the Settler Jews and the Native Palestinians! Also the situation in North America.

Sounds like this "attack" was in fact justified retaliation by the natives.

Seems that the identity of the attackers actually was never determined though:
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The researchers suggest that the attackers could have been local hunter-gatherers or another group of migrant farmers.

If they were migrants then the attack may have been sparked by a land dispute over farming space.

This very well could have been a family feud between two settler families.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: guest5 on September 24, 2020, 08:35:55 pm
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Conquering settlers replacing the innocent native population. hmmm, sounds familiar, where have I heard of that before? Oh right, sounds exactly like the situation we have in Occupied Palestine between the Settler Jews and the Native Palestinians! Also the situation in North America.

Firstly, hunter-gatherers do not create nation-states as they are tribal and live in tribes....

There is a difference between colonialism and imperialism. Westerners often confuse the two. What the Jews are doing to Palestine is colonialism, and western colonialism at that. What Europeans did to the Native Americans was also western colonialism.

Colonialism: "the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically."
Imperialism: "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force."

Unless the empire in question is tyrannical in nature the conquered territory simply becomes part of the conquering empire. Only in colonialism are settlers used to drive out the native population and their culture.

Aryans would have simply helped teach the local hunter-gatherers how to become farmers themselves, kind of like how the Romans taught the English how to build roads....

Hitler and Aryanists have never denied that Ancient Aryans were the creators of the nation-state and were conquerors.
(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Faryanism.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Firan-turan.jpg&hash=f25873dc810757e28a94f2310cfbdec0927e4bd4)

My Celtic ancestors also fought against tribalists apparently:
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Medieval Austria is the noble birthplace of the surname Reuter. Austria, which was originally home to a Celtic people, was conquered by the Roman Empire in about 15 BC. Following the fall of Rome, Austria was repeatedly invaded by barbarian tribes, such as the Vandals, Visigoths, and Huns, who swept in from the east.
https://www.houseofnames.com/reuter-family-crest

Fighting tribalists must be in my blood considering where I ended up ideologically aye? Must be some truth to the whole "blood memory" thing I'm thinking, no?  ;)

Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 26, 2020, 01:18:08 pm
Because we need feel-good stories:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/9-old-hunting-father-accidentally-162440221.html

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9-year-old hunting with father accidentally shoots, kills himself
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Gunnar Holte was pheasant hunting with his father around Branched Oak Lake in Lincoln on Sunday morning when the incident occurred, the Lancaster County Sheriff’s Office told KLKN.

That makes one fewer of these:

(https://www.uguidesdpheasants.com/uploads/photos/MeadowCreekHunting.jpg)

Of course, I must emphasize that merely waiting for our enemies to all shoot themselves is a losing strategy. Indeed, that we more frequently hear stories of them shooting themselves than of leftists shooting them is testimony to leftist apathy.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 04, 2020, 03:08:01 am
LOL:

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/ice-age-figurines-0014617

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Ice Age Figurines and the Sanctity of Prehistoric Obesity
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linking the famous Ice Age Venus figurines with a widespread prehistoric desire for “female obesity.”

(https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/field/image/Ice-Age-figurines.jpg)

(https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/Hohle.jpg?itok=FdIA0bSg)

Mile-deep ice sheets advanced over what is today Northern Europe, causing winter temperatures to plunge to 10-15 degrees Celsius (50-59 degrees Fahrenheit). This killed off may hunters and forced other groups to retreat southwards to the central European forests. It was during this battle with the ice giants of the north that the Venus figurines were crafted and the researchers think this was no coincidence.
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The team of scientists measured the waist-to-hip and waist-to-shoulder ratios of each Venus figurine and discovered those that were found closest to the glaciers were “the most obese, compared with those located further away.”

(https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/map_36.jpg)

Trying to explain this finding, the researchers say the Ice Age Venuses represented “an idealized body type for these difficult living conditions” and they suggest the carved figures conveyed ideals of body size for young women, and especially those who lived in proximity to glaciers, wrote Johnson.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/temperature-effects/

Continuing:

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Concluding that the obese figurines conveyed “ideals of body size, for young women,” the researchers claim being what is now deemed overweight was a “desired condition.” This was because obese females could carry a child through pregnancy in times of need more successfully than a woman suffering from malnutrition. Expanding on this, the researchers say many of the figurines are well-worn and they think this means they were heirlooms passed down from mother to daughter through generations.

The paper suggests young women becoming fertile, or pregnant, may have been given a Venus figurine in the hopes that they would achieve a similar body mass to increase the chances of a successful birth. With this magical aspect in mind, it is also suggested that the figurines may have been “imbued with a spiritual meaning - a fetish or magical charm of sorts that could protect a woman through pregnancy, birth and nursing .”

The desire for obesity in prehistoric societies was a key factor in the success of the tribe, and the need for fertile, healthy mothers, able to withstand the challenges of natural disasters and famines, was essential in these times of dramatic climatic upheaval. Johnson concluded that the Ice Age Venus figurines emerged as “an ideological tool to help improve fertility and survival of the mother and newborns,” promoting health and survival.

And False Leftists think fat-shaming is bad.....
Title: Re: Turanian diffusion
Post by: guest5 on December 15, 2020, 07:32:58 pm
Did Prehistoric Women Hunt? New Research Suggests So
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This idea goes against a hypothesis, dating back to the 1960s, known as the “Man-The-Hunter model.”
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The authors of the study, published in Science Advances, also reviewed evidence of other skeletons buried around the same period in the Americas, looking specifically at graves containing similar tools associated with big-game hunting. They found that of the 27 skeletons for which sex could be determined, 41% were likely female.
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The stereotypical view of hunter-gatherer groups is that they involve a gendered division of labour, with men hunting and women being more likely to stay nearer home with young children, or fish and forage, though even then there is some variation. For example, among Agta foragers in the Philippines women are primary hunters rather than assistants.

Some present day hunter-gatherers still use atlatls today, and some people also enjoy using atlatls in competitive throwing events, with women and children regularly taking part. Archaeologists studying data from these events suggest that atlatls may well have been equalisers – facilitating hunting by both women and men, possibly because they reduce the importance of body size and strength.
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In 2017, a famous burial of a Viking warrior from Sweden, discovered early in the 20th century and long assumed to be male, was discovered to be biologically female. This finding caused a significant and somewhat surprising amount of debate, and points to how our own modern ideas of gender roles can affect interpretations of more recent history too.
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The past, as some say, is a foreign country, and the more evidence we have, the more variable human behaviour looks to have been.
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/did-prehistoric-women-hunt-new-research-suggests-so?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 17, 2020, 03:09:13 am
Some men say that they find it sexy when women hunt. I suspected some Gentile blood memory there.....
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 19, 2021, 09:23:18 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/lifestyle/florida-fishermen-wrangle-300-pound-160900477.html

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Professional fisherman Joshua Jorgensen caught the monstrous fish in January after a three-year effort to find one, Canada’s Global News reported this week. Jorgensen and his boat captain, Jason Boyll, hooked the grouper near a coral reef in the Gulf of Mexico, at which point it took four grown men to lift the thing over the edge of the boat.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/djz1Zppy9vKrLAzXebG3tg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTU0MA--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/HL6oNZvPRq4L4nlTIJAiiQ--~B/aD00NTA7dz04MDA7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_takeout_667/b606ef2df0ffb989bf684fa5e1cd0a1a)

Again, look at the fishers' facial expressions. Sustainable evil is what Westerners get off on.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on February 19, 2021, 09:28:46 pm
"Again, look at the fishers' facial expressions. Sustainable evil is what Westerners get off on."
How is it that all of them invariably have practically the same expression? I was looking at a photograph of a fisherman holding a fish in my local newspaper, and I **** you not he had the same ****-eating grin. I instinctively felt an impulse to punch him.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 10, 2021, 03:09:03 am
https://www.sciencealert.com/real-paleo-diets-may-have-been-far-more-carnivorous-than-anything-we-d-eat-today

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Humans Were Actually Apex Predators For 2 Million Years, New Study Finds

Paleolithic cuisine was anything but lean and green, according to a recent study on the diets of our Pleistocene ancestors. For a good 2 million years, Homo sapiens and their ancestors ditched the salad and dined heavily on meat, putting them at the top of the food chain.

It's not quite the balanced diet of berries, grains, and steak we might picture when we think of 'paleo' food. But according to anthropologists from Israel's Tel Aviv University and the University of Minho in Portugal, modern hunter gatherers have given us the wrong impression of what we once ate.

"This comparison is futile, however, because 2 million years ago hunter-gatherer societies could hunt and consume elephants and other large animals – while today's hunter gatherers do not have access to such bounty," says Miki Ben‐Dor from Israel's Tel Aviv University.

A look through hundreds of previous studies on everything from modern human anatomy and physiology to measures of the isotopes inside ancient human bones and teeth suggests we were primarily apex predators until roughly 12,000 years ago.
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Dominated by the last great ice age, most of what is today Europe and North America was regularly buried under thick glaciers.

With so much water locked up as ice, ecosystems around the world were vastly different to what we see today. Large beasts roamed the landscape, including mammoths, mastodons, and giant sloths – in far greater numbers than we see today.

Of course it's no secret that Homo sapiens used their ingenuity and uncanny endurance to hunt down these massive meal-tickets. But the frequency with which they preyed on these herbivores hasn't been so easy to figure out.

Rather than rely solely on the fossil record, or make tenuous comparisons with pre-agricultural cultures, the researchers turned to the evidence embedded in our own bodies and compared it with our closest cousins.

"We decided to use other methods to reconstruct the diet of stone-age humans: to examine the memory preserved in our own bodies, our metabolism, genetics and physical build," says Ben‐Dor.

"Human behavior changes rapidly, but evolution is slow. The body remembers."

For example, compared with other primates, our bodies need more energy per unit of body mass. Especially when it comes to our energy-hungry brains. Our social time, such as when it comes to raising children, also limits the amount of time we can spend looking for food.

We have higher fat reserves, and can make use of them by rapidly turning fats into ketones when the need arises. Unlike other omnivores, where fat cells are few but large, ours are small and numerous, echoing those of a predator.

Our digestive systems are also suspiciously like that of animals higher up the food chain. Having unusually strong stomach acid is just the thing we might need for breaking down proteins and killing harmful bacteria you'd expect to find on a week-old mammoth chop.

Even our genomes point to a heavier reliance on a meat-rich diet than a sugar-rich one.

"For example, geneticists have concluded that areas of the human genome were closed off to enable a fat-rich diet, while in chimpanzees, areas of the genome were opened to enable a sugar-rich diet," says Ben‐Dor.

The team's argument is extensive, touching upon evidence in tool use, signs of trace elements and nitrogen isotopes in Paleolithic remains, and dental wear.
Title: Re: Turanian diffusion
Post by: guest5 on April 10, 2021, 10:50:38 pm
Some of Europe’s Oldest-Known Modern Humans Are Distantly Related to Native Americans
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Genome sequencing shows some individuals share family ties with surprising populations, and all boast plenty of Neanderthal relatives
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Forty-five thousand years ago, some of the first modern humans to call Europe home lived in and around Bulgaria’s Bacho Kiro Cave. They created adornments, like beads and pendants of cave bear teeth. They fashioned stone and bone tools and colored them with red ochre. They hunted, butchered and feasted on local animals. Artifacts of this lifestyle were left scattered in the cave, but these ancient humans left little evidence of themselves. Just a single tooth and a few tiny bits of bone survived to the present day. Yet those fragments contained enough genetic material that scientists have now recreated some of the humans’ stories, revealing surprising information about both their ancestors and their descendants.

Two genetic sequencing studies published in different journals this week have sketched out the family trees of Europe’s earliest known modern humans, three 45,000-year-old individuals from Bacho Kiro Cave and one similarly aged skull from a Czechian hill site known as Zlatý kůň (Golden Horse). Only the Bacho Kiro individuals have living descendants and they’re found in surprising places—in East Asia and the Americas. The ancient humans from both ancient European sites do share one common ancestral strain—a healthy dose of Neanderthal DNA. Among the Bacho Kiro humans, evidence seems to show that when modern humans moved into Europe they commingled with Neanderthals longer, and later, than is commonly believed.
Entire article: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/secrets-europes-oldest-known-modern-humans-revealed-genome-sequencing-180977437/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 04, 2021, 11:46:13 pm
Present-day Gentilism:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/two-thirds-british-men-say-24024142

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Two-thirds of British men say they would rather die 10 years early than give up meat, according to a new survey.

More than one in ten said giving up meat would make them feel less masculine, and a third said they believed humans were meant to eat meat - compared to one-quarter of the women surveyed.

The survey of 2,000 people, conducted by OnePoll for the charity campaign No Meat May, found both men and women viewed diets that excluded meat as more feminine.

More than one in 20 men surveyed also said they would rather go to jail than stop eating meat, rising to 11% for those aged 25-34.

However the survey found that many men and women would consider a plant-based diet in exchange for certain health benefits.

OK.....?

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A total 18% of men surveyed said they would stop eating meat if it improved their sexual performance
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on May 08, 2021, 08:31:27 am
 Getting back to this post:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg5448/#msg5448
"Giants are usually less intelligent than their Turanian counterparts."

I wouldn't make such a claim. They may be less adept at social manipulation, but there is no reason why they would not have been selected for high technical intelligence, which is what IQ test score measures.

Do you believe most Westerners today possess more Giant or Turanian blood? My theory is that most Westerners have Giant blood, but those in leadership positions in rightist movments have Turanian blood.

In any case, I believe Giants are easier to defeat than Turanians because of the former's lack of cunningness . What do you think?
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 08, 2021, 10:28:05 pm
"Do you believe most Westerners today possess more Giant or Turanian blood?"

It would probably vary by country, with the Turandom countries (Russia, V4, Israel (duh!), etc.) with more Turanian blood.

"those in leadership positions in rightist movments have Turanian blood."

I agree.

"I believe Giants are easier to defeat than Turanians because of the former's lack of cunningness . What do you think?"

There are two types of cunning: 1) outwitting the target; 2) exploiting the target's trust. Do you understand the difference between these two? Turanians can be expected to be superior at 2), but Gentiles (Giants or otherwise) can be expected to be superior at 1), since successful hunting depends on it.

(Bottom line: let's not ever underestimate any of our enemies; it's just a bad habit.)
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on May 08, 2021, 10:43:28 pm
"Do you understand the difference between these two?"

I was thinking about it right after I wrote the post! I realized that even Gentiles, who usually overpower their prey (human and non-human) with brute physical strength, can use this blood memory in the psychological realm as well. I was specifically thinking about how Gentiles purposefully engage in intellectual sophistry by only attacking strawman arguments,  demoralizing the character of the other side, thereby ensuring they always "win" the argument by making themselves look smarter to the observer. This is an example of them using dishonourable tactics (i.e. cunningness) to unfairly outwit their opponent. I believe the Gentiles who brag about the superior weaponry of "Whites" being able to subdue "non-Whites" also fall into this category, as they are drawing on their blood memory and are merely viewing "non-Whites" as prey.

"(Bottom line: let's not ever underestimate any of our enemies; it's just a bad habit.)"
Okay. I was hoping their might be some weaknesses that we could exploit..
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 08, 2021, 10:58:40 pm
"dishonourable tactics (i.e. cunningness)"

I wouldn't say 1) is dishonourable. For example, in duelling, feinting would be 1). This is not dishonourable, since it is something that occurs wholly inside the domain of the mutually agreed battle. What would be dishonourable would be something like pretending to surrender and then ambushing, since this is based on causing confusion about the limits of the domain of battle. But this would be 2), since it exploits the target's trust.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on May 08, 2021, 11:02:13 pm
Okay, then what would you call Gentiles who use 1) in a debate? I was thinking of using "cowardly", since the "domain" is always unfairly tilted in their favor.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 08, 2021, 11:44:06 pm
"use 1) in a debate"

That would just be setting traps, enticing the opponent to pursue a line of argument that you have prepared to counter. That is not dishonourable.

But ultimately debating is a messy field to apply the above to, as it involves appealing to a third party (the audience) rather than being solely between the adversaries. It would probably make more sense to consider the sophist to be exploiting the audience's trust, in your words:

"by making themselves look smarter to the observer."
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: Zea_mays on May 09, 2021, 01:55:52 am
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"Do you believe most Westerners today possess more Giant or Turanian blood?"

It seems genetic studies suggest Westerners have much more Turanian blood than Giant blood. However, a word of caution is that these studies are measuring the overall amount of DNA--which is mostly just junk DNA.

In terms of phenotype, physical anthropologists in the pre-DNA days certainly saw a strong continuity between ancient Paleolithic skull morphology and present-day Westerners. So, perhaps there is more Turanian (and Neolithic) junk DNA in Europe, but it would be difficult to examine only the genes encoding for personality traits and other characteristics to make a determination as to whether Turanian or Giant traits have more prevalence.

(https://i.imgur.com/PAWUfnS.png)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14317

Another warning is that the proportion of blood probably varies greatly between individuals--perhaps some individuals today have almost completely Paleolithic ancestry, but if the graphs are averaged out over an entire population, this might get drowned out.

(I would give an additional warning that just because the Sardinians are the modern group with the most Neolithic ancestry on the chart, this doesn't necessary mean they are more noble than the other populations. Apparently herding has been a major part of their economy there for many generations. So, even if they inherited most of their junk DNA from Neolithic farming ancestors 5,000+ years ago, doesn't mean they continued the same lifestyle and attitudes into the present.)
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on May 16, 2021, 02:13:05 am
Gentile "art":
(https://blog.samys.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/3e2e0ba0c145a5d4729a725b4c38daf7.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/60/c3/fd/60c3fd3c5492abfb055ea0e33bfdafaf.jpg)
(https://uploads.documents.cimpress.io/v1/uploads/9267c612-6ac2-4c00-bacf-c651eeb01e36~110/original?tenant=vbu-digital)

Gentiles apparently found hunting so worthy of glorifying that they decided to make "art" depicting their endeavors.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: Dazhbog on May 16, 2021, 05:34:03 am
Gentile "art"

To be fair, I have no problem with the art style as such. From a purely aesthetic point of view, I actually do like these paintings due to their simplicity and abundance of empty space.

Gentiles apparently found hunting so worthy of glorifying that they decided to make "art" depicting their endeavors.

This is the actual issue. Instead of siding with the innocent, distressed prey, as we would...

Spoiler (hover to show)

...they choose to side with the predators going after them like a gang of typical high school bullies.

In other words, the ignobility of these cave paintings isn't a matter of their style nor their substance, but the artists' interpretation of the latter. Whereas we would frame them as depicting the brutality of hunting, Gentiles frame them as depicting its glory.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on May 16, 2021, 10:03:13 am
I see! We could use them to illustrate the inferiority of Gentiles!
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: Dazhbog on May 16, 2021, 01:48:40 pm
I see! We could use them to illustrate the inferiority of Gentiles!

I actually like the thought that these paintings influenced at least some of our ancestors in their decision to reject their more primitive contemporaries' violent lifestyle. I strongly believe that empathy and artistic sensitivity are intrinsically linked. Graphic hunting depictions such as your examples or this painting...

Spoiler (hover to show)

...would surely convince anyone with the slightest sense of compassion that hunting is evil, even if they had no conception of the prey's suffering before!
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 16, 2021, 01:57:09 pm
"Gentiles frame them as depicting its glory."

To support this point, we could also note that cave paintings depicting gathering are far rarer (in fact I myself have yet to come across one!) If hunting scenes were painted purely as a celebration of being able to obtain food, we would at least expect gathering scenes to also have been painted with similar frequency. That the latter were not suggests, as you say, that the emphasis was on glory, whereupon indeed gathering scenes would not have been painted as gathering is generally much less difficult/dangerous.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on May 27, 2021, 06:53:08 pm
What "Native Americans" (Paleo-Indian Gentiles) ate before "Europeans" arrived:
https://youtu.be/tUjfJ2PScPM
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on June 13, 2021, 12:21:11 pm
Lobster Diver survives after being swallowed by Humpback Whale:
https://youtu.be/E4XtnSNGjU0

Demiurge strikes again...
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 14, 2021, 12:23:00 am
This **** has happened before!

(https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9781844776795-uk-300.jpg)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on June 14, 2021, 12:47:31 am
Wow! History sure repeats itself, doesn't it?

Cape Cod lobster diver’s Jonah moment
https://www.nationalfisherman.com/northeast/cape-cod-lobster-diver-s-jonah-moment

BTW, note his facial expression:
(https://divcomplatform.s3.amazonaws.com/www.nationalfisherman.com/images/fe8cc769a3a4800dfcc366f5ea2f4dec.bin)
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 16, 2021, 03:59:44 am
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/case-closed-35-000-year-old-murder-of-a-bear-finally-solved-1.9885375

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About 35,000 years ago, a bear died in a cave in Siberia. It was a small cave bear – also known as the Russian cave bear, even though the first specimen was found in Britain. The problem was that the small cave bear wasn’t alone in the cave. Apparently a human was there and speared the bear in the head, possibly while it was in a hibernation stupor, scientists suspect.
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Large cave bears could rear up to more than 3 meters (nearly 10 feet) in height. Small ones were also probably best killed while asleep. But it bears adding that they seem to have been vegetarian, unlikely to have been hunting the humans for food for themselves.

So what have we here? In a cave, a vegetarian small cave bear died 35,000 years ago in the sort of cave people also liked to occupy.

35000 years later:

(https://www.huntinfool.com/cache/ArticleImage369w600MAR.jpg?20190513091451)

(https://worldwidetrophyadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/wta_1323_1DJ1PL_396.jpg?x47325)

(https://huntwithcody.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Bear-Hunting-with-Cody.jpg)

(https://huntwithcody.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Bear-hunt-Montana.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nUTcIwCg7ow/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://storage.cdn.bookyourhunt.com/images/b271d0c4-1bcc-49e4-8f47-022acc341ef6/099ba728-0ecb-4cfe-90f5-438e00203b5e.jpg)

(https://flattopswildernessguides.com/wp-content/themes/construct/lib/scripts/timthumb/thumb.php?src=/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/BigBlack-1.jpg&w=680&h=490&zc=1&q=100)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CBg-ZDQOIAI/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://larsenbaylodge.com/images/gallery216.jpg)

(https://sashunts.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Jim-Parent-Kodiak-768x660.jpg)

(https://www.whiteswoodsandwaters.com/fishing/bear%20hunt%20pics%20added%202012/sara%202011.jpg)

(https://clamlakeguide.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/northernwisconsinbearguide4.jpg)

(https://storage.cdn.bookyourhunt.com/images/5054b0a5-3ed0-4067-96f3-cef3262dd279/d70e8142-c90b-4ccb-8f45-6030246dd2d6.jpg)

(https://focusingonwildlife.com/news/wp-content/uploads/black_bear_hunting.jpg)
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 11, 2021, 10:15:56 pm
Our enemies write accurately about their blood memory:

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/08/11/otherizing-the-intruders-among-us-strangers-can-be-dangerous/

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This exclusionary attitude (or “otherization” as we say) is not an anti-social or malevolent choice on our part.  It is firmly embedded in our cultural ethos and our DNA, given that strangers’ reputations, such as for honesty, would likely be less well known and hence interacting with them would be risky. It goes back many, many millennia to a time when we wandered in tribes or extended families across the Eurasian plains.

In the beginning, we were “hunter-gatherers” whose days were devoted to acquiring food off the land.  To survive, homo sapiens or Cro-Magnons needed a cooperative and close-knit bond of familial unity. The hunt for prey and food was the focal point of each day’s activities. Women, if social paleontology is correct, did not stray far from home—whether a cave, a hut or some other form of habitat. They were presumably “keepers of the hearth.”  They bore and raised children, searched for edible vegetation, and cared for the elderly or infirm.  The familial unit within the tribe was a protective shield against a mysterious and dangerous world.  When another humanoid or family group appeared unexpectedly, the entire unit’s stability and safety were threatened.

The “stranger-danger” motif was and continues to be wired into the individual psyche: without this defense mechanism, each member of the tribe was put in jeopardy.  For the most part, the intruder was either expelled or killed.
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Suspicion of the “other” runs deep in our genetic code. The exclusion of strangers is a primordial means of survival.

which leads them to admire our other enemies:

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Even though contemporary rates of intermarriage are high, the Jewish community continues to take steps to ensure its homogeneity. There are dating sites for Jewish couples.  Jewish social gatherings for singles are organized by synagogues, and Jewish teenagers are given trips to Israel to solidify Jewish identity and promote marriage to other Jews.

To outsiders, Judaism has a cultish appearance: Orthodox Jews typically wear distinguishing clothing, and there are rites of passage (bar and bat mitzvahs) and multiple customs that set them apart from the Christian population.  Religious holidays play a significant role in the life of the average Jew.  In the Christian world, only Christmas and Easter have any true importance.  The rest are listed on the calendar but rarely observed. Devout Jews (e.g., Hassidic) lead a parallel life of religious observance.  In a sense, one is first and foremost a Jew and only secondarily an inhabitant of a specific country—even in Israel.

before concluding:

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We cannot unlearn the defensive strategies of our cultural and genetic heritage.

They are correct:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/uneducable-gentiles/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/superiority-cannot-be-taught/

We are not here to get them to unlearn anything. We are here to eliminate their genetic heritage.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 07, 2021, 11:53:11 pm
Why we call them Joetnar:

https://www.livescience.com/northernmost-stone-age-hunters-found

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Russian expedition finds evidence of northernmost Stone Age hunters above the Arctic Circle

Ancient cut marks on mammoth bones unearthed on a remote island in the frozen extremes of Siberia are the northernmost evidence of Paleolithic humans ever found, according to archaeologists.

The bones from the woolly mammoth skeleton, dated to about 26,000 years ago, were excavated this summer by a Russian expedition to Kotelny Island, in the far northeast of Siberia — 615 miles (990 kilometers) north of the Arctic Circle.

To give you a better idea of how far north that is:

(https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w728-h728-q90/img/areamap/continent/arctic_map.gif)

990km inwards from the circumference!

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The team pieced together more than two-thirds of the skeleton — and they found cut marks and notches, made by stone or bone tools, on almost every bone. That indicates the animal was deliberately butchered, probably after it was hunted down by a nomadic band of Stone Age hunters, the archaeologists said.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dietary-decolonization/msg8450/#msg8450

Continuing:

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It's the northernmost evidence of Paleolithic humans ever found, said expedition leader Alexander Kandyba, an archaeologist at the Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography at the Russian Academy of Sciences' Siberian branch.

"This suggests that the northern border of human existence in the Pleistocene was much to the north of the generally accepted ideas," Kandyba told Live Science in an email, referring to the Pleistocene epoch between 2.6 million and 11,700 years ago — the time of the last ice age.

No, it suggests that the Hyperboreanists were correct about the existence of Hyperboreans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperborea

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Since Herodotus places the Hyperboreans beyond the Massagetae and Issedones, both Central Asian peoples, it appears that his Hyperboreans may have lived in Siberia. Heracles sought the golden-antlered hind of Artemis in Hyperborea. As the reindeer is the only deer species of which females bear antlers, this would suggest an arctic or subarctic region.

It's just that the Hyperboreans were Gentiles:

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From the bones, the archaeologists gleaned other clues about the lifestyle of the Stone Age hunters. For a start, it seems clear that they hunted mammoths, although other archaeologists have suggested Paleolithic hunters may have avoided such large and dangerous prey in favor of smaller animals, such as reindeer. "I think people hunted all kinds of animals at that time," Kandyba said. 

There was no sign that the mammoth had been trapped before it was killed — a method some archaeologists suggest such hunters may have used.

"The fact that the skeleton of the mammoth was located on the slope of an ancient terrace suggests that the animal was definitely killed in the open air, and not in a mud trap," he said.

26000 years later:

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(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a265872be42d61192e4578c/1513094020220-51TP90C179IEMZJG8FJO/DSC_02612.jpg?format=1000w)

(https://www.lilongwewildlife.org/wp-content/uploads/elephant-hunting-in-south-africa.jpg)

(https://www.lilongwewildlife.org/wp-content/uploads/hunting-elephants-in-africa.jpg)

(https://www.totallyveganbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Rich-businessman-kills-two-baby-elephants-and-poses-by-their-corpses_TotallyVegaBuzz_1.jpg)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/NINTCHDBPICT000502519411-1.jpg)

(https://i1.wp.com/africanelephantjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/0_Phillip-Glass-and-american-hunter-from-St-Angelo-Texas-kneels-next-to-an-Elephant-he-had-just-hunt.jpg?resize=800%2C500&ssl=1)

(https://media.newyorker.com/photos/608841111406361b1d9625ab/16:9/w_1280,c_limit/Spies-NRAVideo-2.jpg)

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2kezmojh71qbkli6o1_1280.jpg)

(https://www.africahunting.com/media/huntress-and-a-good-elephant-bull.44660/full)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/02/15/2B0A9E5700000578-3183020-image-m-10_1438527295648.jpg)

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01398/TeressaGroenewald-_1398036c.jpg)

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5977c408914e6bb48ee1adc4/1567881678559-L63YYN0RFJR3LBFO2D5R/https+_s.yimg.com_os_creatr-uploaded-images_2019-08_fc3810c0-c5c6-11e9-bf97-83a93c4b402f.jpg)

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(https://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/hunter-dies-crushed-shot-elephant-theunis-botha-fb2.png)
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 05, 2021, 09:35:00 pm
We keep hearing (from rightists certainly, but also from some False Leftists) how one of the best Western traits is curiosity. Here is an example of that in action:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dont-just-sneak-whitetail-epic-020030360.html

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'You don't just sneak up on a whitetail': Epic spot-and-stalk hunt ends with trophy deer
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"We were debating if he was 4 or 5 years old," Davis said. "We try to shoot 5-year-olds or better. We try to let them mature."

Davis wasn't sure, though. He'd only seen photos of the buck and wasn't trusting them.

"We had it in our heads he was just a 135-inch 4-year-old," Davis said.
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After about 20 minutes, the buck left the lane and Davis was able to slowly walk along the edge of the lane and shorten the distance to his stand, but the buck came back and continued feeding.
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He'd been messaging back and forth with his father, Dean, about what was happening.

"I guess we'll see how good you are," Dean Davis wrote.
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"He got to that limb and stepped out and I took my shot," he said. "He was quartering toward me and I put it right on the front of the shoulder and that's where I shot him."

Davis said he saw he had a good blood trail and felt confident recovering the deer would not be an issue.
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"Oh man, from the trail camera pictures he grew 20 inches. He was a 5-year-old, 230-pound, 150-inch deer," Davis said. "I looked at my dad and I didn't know how I pulled that one off. You don't just sneak up on a whitetail. He looked at me and said, 'Well, I guess we know how good you are.'.

"It was a cool feeling."

It was also the face shape we were expecting:

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/b_4rJdhDlsMVbjQR2YQVcg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTYxNjtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/XoD4s_3eefzOHBzgDHtiIg--~B/aD0yMDk3O3c9MjQwMDthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the-clarion-ledger/f5d809dd956e2a4123e76cc1174c82ff)

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/gentilism/

Still, this amateur curiosity is nothing compared to what professional curiosity gets up to:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg6612/#msg6612
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 26, 2022, 03:40:55 am
Why do stories about trophy fishing keep appearing? Oh well, at least I can repost the photos:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/anglers-smash-idaho-sturgeon-record-230212086.html

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/WYMsSzHF.yQDgJKWJM1dyg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTUyOTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/qXSFIX1PO5fhXzKMzeexEQ--~B/aD04NTU7dz0xMTQwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/idaho_statesman_mcclatchy_articles_842/c818141ee27dc625baa805a449240cb4)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/over-40-pounds-chinook-salmon-182701684.html

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/CvFFfkCPMuYfCooIfBN.tQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTk0MDtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/l.hSR1e45yA7BfEs7LLixw--~B/aD04MDA7dz02MDA7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/milwaukee-journal-sentinel/9416f7c16841ba88dae6753dd2a61c6e)

https://sports.yahoo.com/monster-catfish-reeled-ice-during-183243704.html

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/HFpQ6FL1psnLbvItaqAQWA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTU3NjtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/EROBIcyUV_sm5n3lsngRTQ--~B/aD02MDA7dz0xMDAwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/ftw_outdoors_usa_today_article_609/2b052ab6d76dbf4e994a2e636d4fb9e2)

https://sports.yahoo.com/texas-catch-enormous-bass-described-171022656.html

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Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 13, 2022, 05:48:55 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/record-breaking-fish-caught-kansas-185355808.html

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/_Yk9QxuhLnQXLn9xq3nNag--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTY5NjtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/JIX6pyIU81FQhLPSZjVlDQ--~B/aD0xMTI1O3c9MTE0MDthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/kansas_city_star_mcclatchy_articles_677/7d56b3c31a179c953125aa05758cef92)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/monster-mississippi-man-smashes-state-145921241.html

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https://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/outdoors/2022/04/09/anglers-say-barnett-reservoir-producing-crappie-peak-spawn/7189149001/

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2022/04/08/PJAM/61f3188b-6a37-4de7-bcf9-3bad0a3b60c5-barnett.spawn01.jpg?width=1320&height=1074&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2022/04/08/PJAM/c3c2a630-cbef-47bd-a38b-59decf60e870-krutz.crappie.secondary.jpg?width=1320&height=1174&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)

https://news.yahoo.com/st-johns-county-fishing-report-021946621.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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https://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/2021/07/39-pound-fish-of-a-lifetime-salmon-hooked-in-lake-michigan.html

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https://www.syracuse.com/outdoors/2020/09/upstate-ny-angler-breaks-state-fishing-record-for-a-white-catfish.html

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https://www.newyorkupstate.com/outdoors/2020/05/western-ny-angler-breaks-the-new-york-state-fishing-record-for-white-bass-twice.html

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https://news.maryland.gov/dnr/2019/05/22/angler-catches-record-bullhead-catfish-in-baltimore-county/

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46986403575_622d3bac53.jpg)

https://www.vaildaily.com/news/colorado-man-catches-record-fish-the-size-of-a-7-year-old-child/

(https://cdn.vaildaily.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2019/06/Matt_Smiley3-1024x786-1024x786.jpg)

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/05/23/whopper-walleye-breaks-north-dakota-longest-standing-fish-record

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https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2019/03/21/paddlefish-season-types-missouri-fish-over-hundred-pounds/3236839002/

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/3c2c1856383d0f4968502951bea0f39f6c012ff4/c=0-185-3457-2138/local/-/media/2016/04/11/Springfield/Springfield/635959821025502477-recordpaddlefish.jpg?width=1320&height=746&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)

https://www.worldrecordcarp.com/2015/05/new-world-record-carp-from-euro-aqua-at.html

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-de_hWRgNoYc/VVnvlgqERnI/AAAAAAAABJk/xhPNW39BDyI/s1600/euro%2Baqua%2B105lb.jpg)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-man-catches-12-5-230055615.html

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Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 13, 2022, 08:46:16 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-heck-lizard-monster-625-163911215.html

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It was a big weekend at Cordray’s Processing and Taxidermy in Ravenel for the first weekend of South Carolina’s annual alligator hunt.

On Sunday they posted on Facebook that they had received 18 gators for processing.

Some on the smaller size, some about 11 feet and then there was the first one brought in on Saturday night. A whopper — 13 feet long and 625 pounds caught in the upper portion of Lake Marion, South Carolina’s premiere alligator lake.

Michael Cordray, who started the business about 30 years ago, said Saturday’s catch was among the top five alligators for length and weight he’s processed. The biggest was 825 pounds and 13 feet, 6 inches.

His business gets 90 to 100 alligators during the hunting season, which runs from Sept. 10 to Oct. 8.

The hunter was identified as Nick Gilbert. He could not be reached for comment.

One person posted on Cordray’s Facebook page, “Seen them leaving the ramp with him, one heck of a lizard. Pictures don’t do it justice.”

Another said, “That’s a freaking dinosaur!!”

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Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: christianbethel on September 14, 2022, 07:29:56 am
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And False Leftists think fat-shaming is bad.....

@90sRetroFan So this, basically?
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fatphobia

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Fatphobia is a phobia in which overweight people will call you out for not liking fat people. Also a word used to use as a excuse to not go to the gym and continue to eat junk food.

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A phrase created by attention seeking lazy people who think they deserve the same attention as marginalized and oppressed communities (such as racial minorities and the LGBTQ+ [community]), based solely off the fact they think being unhealthy should be normalized.

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A stupid non existend (sic) phobia created by fat people to cancel people who avoid being fat or think healthy bodies are more attractive than unhealthy bodies. Also created as an excuse for fat people to stay fat and talk bs about how they get "opressed" for being fat. You cannot compare " Fatphobia " to racism/homophobia/Islamphobia (sic)/sexism and such stuff.

Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 14, 2022, 12:56:36 pm
It is likely that being fat was healthy during the Ice Age. The point is that Ice Age blood memory is likely to be correlated with other inferior heritable traits. Enemy post:

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=15848400&postcount=4

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Bigger women can be attractive, but it's all about the proportions of their body and how they carry their weight. My current girlfriend (and hopefully my future wife and the mother of my White children) is close to 200lbs but she carries the majority of that weight in her hips, butt, and breasts.

They used to call this "Rubenesque" but a better term for it is voluptuous. Women this size are actually what most men are attracted to whether they want to admit it or not, and this is because of biological factors that clue us in to the fact that these women are usually very good at bearing a lot of children naturally. Skinny women usually have to have c-sections or have complicated pregnancies and we know this instinctively, so that's why so many of us find ourselves hitting on the bigger woman with the wide hips and large breasts when our friends aren't watching.

But I don't actually care about what my friends think, because they all agree with me and understand why this phenomenon takes place. The only men who wouldn't want to be with a voluptuous women are insecure little boys who are brainwashed by the electric jew into thinking that 98lb soaking wet women of a Size 0 are "attractive".
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 29, 2022, 04:28:45 am
The Kyle Rittenhouse attitude, but with non-human victims:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/montana-hunter-mistook-husky-pup-171408646.html

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/lb29.Jdr6OG0Bgn3fLwSgQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5NztjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/fox_news_text_979/1888cf2d181e46fb74613678dd5e75f1)

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A Montana hunter who shot and skinned a Siberian husky she had mistaken for a wolf on a hunting trip, and then boasted about the kill on social media, has been cited for animal cruelty, officials said.

Amber Rose Barnes, 36, of Martin City, was cited with animal cruelty – a misdemeanor – for the unsanctioned death of the 6-month-old husky in September, the Flathead County Sheriff's Office told Fox News Digital.

Barnes sparked national outrage after posting a series of gruesome photos with the mutilated pup on Facebook.

"So this morning I set out for a solo predator hunt for a fall black bear however I got the opportunity to take another predator wolf pup 2022 was a great feeling to text my man and say I just smoked a wolf pup #firstworld #onelesspredatorMT," she wrote above five photos of her posing with the bloodied pooch Sept. 23.

In one image, the skinned husky is sprawled out on her flatbed truck as she smiles broadly, stroking the pup's lifeless head with her right hand and clutching her rifle with her left.
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It turned out that the slain husky was one of more than a dozen dogs that had been abandoned in the Doris Creek area of Flathead National Forest about 60 miles south of Glacier National Park – near where Barnes was hunting, according to the local sheriff's office.

The outrageous blunder did not deter Barnes, who later insisted she had shot the pup in self-defense.

"This animal was growling howling and coming at me like it was going to eat me," she wrote. "Yes, I made a mistake because I did think it was a hybrid wolf pup but I was not aware of a [sic] 19 dogs being dropped 11 miles into the wilderness either way yes I would still have shot it because it was aggressive and coming directly for me!"

The part in bold shows who was the true aggressor.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 29, 2022, 02:48:56 am
https://us.yahoo.com/news/youths-killing-badgers-gain-social-060000193.html

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Teenagers are killing badgers and committing other wildlife crimes to gain social media clout on TikTok and other platforms, charities have warned.

Increasing numbers of young people are sharing badger killing trophies and other evidence online, according to the Wildlife and Countryside Link (WCL).
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There were 1,414 reported wildlife crime incidents, including hare coursing, persecution of badgers and bats and disturbance of seals, in 2021, a small increase from 1,404 in 2020, the report found.
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In February, a group of teenagers in Burnley were banned from keeping animals for ten years after sharing more than 180 videos on TikTok of them using dogs to kill badgers, deer, rabbits and birds.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on December 08, 2022, 07:27:56 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorldWarWang/status/1600835355724259328
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Andrew Anglin
@WorldWarWang
I like that Hemingway overcame the sexual abuse from women he suffered as a child by killing large animals.

This is very healthy.

Confused young people in America should be sent on big game safaris in Africa.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjdPQxYVQAI_qcb?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on January 22, 2023, 07:30:57 pm
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"Do you believe most Westerners today possess more Giant or Turanian blood?"

It seems genetic studies suggest Westerners have much more Turanian blood than Giant blood. However, a word of caution is that these studies are measuring the overall amount of DNA--which is mostly just junk DNA.

In terms of phenotype, physical anthropologists in the pre-DNA days certainly saw a strong continuity between ancient Paleolithic skull morphology and present-day Westerners. So, perhaps there is more Turanian (and Neolithic) junk DNA in Europe, but it would be difficult to examine only the genes encoding for personality traits and other characteristics to make a determination as to whether Turanian or Giant traits have more prevalence.

(https://i.imgur.com/PAWUfnS.png)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14317

Another warning is that the proportion of blood probably varies greatly between individuals--perhaps some individuals today have almost completely Paleolithic ancestry, but if the graphs are averaged out over an entire population, this might get drowned out.

(I would give an additional warning that just because the Sardinians are the modern group with the most Neolithic ancestry on the chart, this doesn't necessary mean they are more noble than the other populations. Apparently, herding has been a major part of their economy there for many generations. So, even if they inherited most of their junk DNA from Neolithic farming ancestors 5,000+ years ago, doesn't mean they continued the same lifestyle and attitudes into the present.)

I believe it is Giant blood that Westerners are primarily a product of. No other part of the world came up with Western Civilization independently and spontaneously, despite other parts of the world having Turanian blood. It is the uniqueness of Giant blood memory and the ethnocentrism it produces that makes this possible. What do you think?
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: guest90 on January 23, 2023, 09:35:09 am
Western civilisation is primarily a product of Jewish (Turanian) influence. Everything from its aesthetics and technology to its values and colonialism are Turanian.

Turanian architecture:

(https://www.theflorentine.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/synagogue_florence_ph-marcobadiani-1.jpg)

Western architecture:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/3904/14501009908_62b6a2a14c_b.jpg)

And for comparison with another Turanian civilisation, Vedic architecture:

(https://miro.medium.com/max/750/1*fZI7NOdBVr2gtElLtewuRA.webp)

The desire for complexity is more of a Turanian trait, not a Giant one. Hunter/giant types lived in pre-Columbus America, and their civilisations were nowhere near as complex as the ones that neighboured the steppe (India/China/Europe). As for ethnocentrism, Giants, like other hunter types, were typically more isolationist, unlike Turanians who have a drive to expand their slave pool and resources (colonialism).

However, the boredom and restlessness that a lot of westerners seem to experience is likely a product of Giant/hunter-gatherer blood memory. That blend could have given them an edge over other gentile civilisations (combine Giant/hunter boredom with Turanian/herder expansionism and you have Western progressivism).
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on March 03, 2023, 03:11:23 am
"As for ethnocentrism, Giants, like other hunter types, were typically more isolationist, unlike Turanians who have a drive to expand their slave pool and resources (colonialism)."
Yes. Turanians would need to expand the grazing area for their livestock as the population grew. In contrast, hunters can stay in the same area and hunt the prey until they are extinct, following which they will shift to a new area.
Title: Re: Turanian diffusion
Post by: Guest on March 08, 2023, 12:58:06 pm
Ever Spotted a Doppelgänger Food?
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Your favorite dish may have a mysterious twin.
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During my first trip to Oaxaca, Mexico, I snapped a photo of a banana leaf-wrapped rectangle. I immediately sent the photo to my mom, writing, “Look! Mexican zongzi!”

If you had told me that this mole-laced tamal oaxaqueño was a zongzi, one of my favorite Chinese snacks, I would have believed you. A dumpling of savory-sweet sticky rice wrapped and steamed in banana or bamboo leaves, zongzi bears a remarkable similarity to this type of tamal, despite its origins on the other side of the globe.

These leafy lookalikes are far from the world’s only culinary doppelgängers. Give cooks similar resources (say, large leaves, starch, and a little meat) and similar pressures (“How do we turn a sticky, soft dough into an easy-to-eat meal?”) and they may come up with the same solution.

This week, we’re sharing culinary look-alikes that may make you do a double-take before you dig in.
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In California, which has large Mexican and Chinese populations, zongzi are often called “Chinese tamales.” But despite their resemblance, the two delicacies predate any recorded contact between China and the Americas...
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Meanwhile, the Dresden Codex, a Mayan text from the 11th or 12th century, features corn-husk tamales stuffed with deer, iguana, turkey, and fish, though some scholars speculate that tamales have been around since 8000 BC. Bananas and their broad leaves did not enter the picture until the Spanish brought them to the Americas in the 1500s, but since then, they have been adopted as the wrapper of choice in much of Central America and Southern Mexico.

Today, cooks fill zongzi’s sticky rice with meat, seafood, nuts, sweet bean paste, and fruit, and tamal-makers stuff banana leaves with a rich corn masa and everything from chocolate to herbs to chicken in mole sauce.

The two civilizations that birthed these foods may have been unaware of one another, but it seems that they stumbled upon the same truth: broad leaves are unmatched for wrapping compact, aromatic, and delicious dumplings.
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My friend recently traveled to Hawai’i and tried the state’s comfort food, the platter of rice topped with a hamburger patty, gravy, and a fried egg known as Loco Moco. As a native of Rochester, New York, he was thrilled: The dish was very similar to his hometown’s beloved Garbage Plate, a heaping pile of diner starches, such as home fries and macaroni salad, topped with a hamburger patty and covered in a spicy meat sauce.

Diners can add macaroni salad to a Loco Moco, or an egg to a Garbage Plate, making these layered, saucy hamburger plates close to identical. “Did one inspire the other?” he wondered to me.

If the fast-food legends are true, these gut-busters are two independent solutions to the same problem: young eaters with fast metabolisms and empty wallets. In 1949, Richard and Nancy Inouye, owners of Hilo’s Lincoln Grill Restaurant, supposedly came up with the Loco Moco at the behest of members of a local teen football club that needed something inexpensive to fill their bottomless stomachs.

Similarly, Rochester’s Nick Tahou, who holds the trademark for “Garbage Plate,” invented his protein-and-carbohydrate monster after a group of college students asked him for a plate “with all the garbage” on it...

(https://img.atlasobscura.com/iClVWDKDJadEMzp8dTpb_5nTi6OkRIMfcQIVnNekj8w/rs:fill:12000:12000/q:81/sm:1/scp:1/ar:1/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdGxh/cy1kZXYuczMuYW1h/em9uYXdzLmNvbS91/cGxvYWRzL2Fzc2V0/cy80ZDY3YzA1NS0y/ZjJkLTRiOWUtYWVj/Yi1hNGIyYmIzN2Ez/MGY4YzBlZTQ5MDAy/ZjFiYzJiYzhfbG9j/byBtb2NvIGdhcmJh/Z2UgcGxhdGUgMS5q/cGc.jpg)
Loco Mocos and Garbage Plates are beloved fast foods in Hawaii and Rochester, New York, respectively. Right, Steven Miller, cropped/Left, Eugene Peretz, cropped
Entire article: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/conchas-and-melonpan?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on March 12, 2023, 03:36:45 pm
I was reading about Gentile vs Turanian blood memory, and I came across this comment from Hashtali on Aryanism.net:
http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/western-civilization-late-20th-century-pop-culture/comment-page-2/#comment-170711
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I am still sensing a Giant part, and for the democracy-related reason I mentioned in an earlier comment. More recently, though, I’ve been considering that there might be two independent (but not mutually exclusive) mainstream anti-monarchic philosophies: constitutionalism and democratism. The two might be the product of Turanian and Gentile blood respectively, and the mix of the two races within the Pelasgian would explain why constitutionalism and democratism are so thoroughly mixed in the West.
Constitutionalists (in which I include traditionalists and all those who seek to limit a king’s power) argue that power corrupts, but their focus solely on the absolute power (usually of a king) shows that what they’re actually concerned about is a higher power challenging their own (or their favored slavemaster’s) within their sphere of influence (as you pointed out is true for anarchists, for example). But this doesn’t mean they are necessarily democrats, because absolute power in the hands of the majority/masses could still threaten their own power. I think this attitude is similar to what the TOO article was saying about “aristocratic egalitarianism”. Also, I’ve noticed that whenever I bring up my disdain for democracy and support for aristocracy to a relative who I increasingly believe is Turanian, he always misses the point and arrogantly says something about “the masses being herds needing to be led”. But this guy is also opposed to absolute monarchy. (I don’t think he’s ideologically consistent enough to say what he prefers instead, but his Catholicism combined with his comment about herds indicates what alternatives he favors intuitively.)
Democrats, on the other hand, are fully for giving power to the majority/masses. Democratic socialists, communists, and some variants of the far-right are good examples of this collectivist tendency (though they usually define majority/masses differently). Their anti-monarchism might have to do in part with what I was saying earlier about anti-Aryan Giant blood memory. However, more broadly, I think a Gentile blood memory is attuned to a hunter-gatherer society whose economy does not permit, as they put it, social stratification. Power in hunter-gatherer societies is indeed usually not concentrated in individuals and more collectivized. (Note that Marxists believe hunter-gatherers were/are essentially primitive communists. Also, JJ, remember what we were talking about in private about Deep Green Resistance and other egalitarians who see hunter-gatherer societies as some pristine havens of egalitarianism? I think this is where it might come from.)
Most people usually hold some combination of the two philosophies. I would guess the West’s ability to combine the two so thoroughly is a testament to Pelasgians being a mixed Turanian-Giant group.

I definitely agree with this. More broadly, we could describe the Turanian attitude as hubris, and the Gentile (more specifically Giant) attitude as plebian hubris.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on April 10, 2023, 09:44:35 pm
3D video games meets Giant blood memory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqhs_mcWMx4

It seems that this was inevitably the end goal of 3D games, looking back. Especially the first person perspective (which I always hated, even more than 3rd person perspective 3D games), which is heavily dependent on spatial intelligence, which would have been selected for in hunter-gather societies.
Title: The Truth about Hunter-Gatherers
Post by: 2ThaSun on April 12, 2023, 03:06:18 pm
* At time of posting on this forum I have not listened to the entirety of this lecture yet, but at around 4 minutes in the host starts getting into the Rousseauians and Jared Diamond's argument against agriculture...

The Truth about Hunter-Gatherers
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This is an archived video of UNL anthropologist Raymond Hames presenting his April 14 Nebraska Lecture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa6fok_GQJU
Title: Re: The Truth about Hunter-Gatherers
Post by: TruthAboutHunterGatherers on April 16, 2023, 05:35:11 pm
* At time of posting on this forum I have not listened to the entirety of this lecture yet, but at around 4 minutes in the host starts getting into the Rousseauians and Jared Diamond's argument against agriculture...

The Truth about Hunter-Gatherers
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This is an archived video of UNL anthropologist Raymond Hames presenting his April 14 Nebraska Lecture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa6fok_GQJU

So the biggest takeaway I've gotten so far from the above lecture 30 minutes in is that hunter-gatherers were "fiercely egalitarian", more war like than even modern human hybrids, and calling hunter-gatherers "ecological noble savages" is a bunch of BS!  :) I also enjoyed how the subject of colonialism even made it into this lecture.

Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on April 26, 2023, 10:58:32 am
https://twitter.com/LakotaMan1/status/1651062072455888897
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Lakota Man
@LakotaMan1
This is why we never ever disclose the locations of our sacred white animals.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FunANGHaUAAskdC?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on May 31, 2023, 04:43:02 pm
Non Aryan "division of labor":
https://youtube.com/shorts/E7NtvJWQwu0?feature=share
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: christianbethel on May 31, 2023, 05:12:50 pm
@90sRetroFan OK, when you guys mention 'Giants', whom exactly are you talking about? The Giants in Greek Mythology? Norse Mythology? Fairy Tales? OR just people who are really tall (like 6-8 feet and taller)?
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 31, 2023, 06:10:18 pm
"The Giants in Greek Mythology? Norse Mythology?"

Both. Also British mythology:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Giant_Killer#British_giants

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John Matthews writes in Taliesin: Shamanism and the Bardic Mysteries in Britain and Ireland (1992) that giants are very common throughout British folklore, and often represent the "original" inhabitants, ancestors, or gods of the island before the coming of "civilised man"
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: christianbethel on June 01, 2023, 06:07:13 pm
Both. Also British mythology:
That's actually what I was referring to when I asked 'Fairy Tales'. Thanks!
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 08, 2023, 08:30:43 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/massive-fish-could-set-world-164445641.html

(https://www.outdoorlife.com/uploads/2023/06/01/world_record_wels_river_po_italian_angler_lead.jpg?auto=webp&width=1440&height=1080)
Title: Re: Turanian diffusion
Post by: Virginia on August 26, 2023, 11:18:18 am
Reclaiming The Appalachian Hunter-Gatherer Diet
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Hunters and chefs in West Virginia are turning to wild game not only to address food access but as a way of reclaiming Appalachian cuisine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UMEtgKW4oo

Comment:

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4:38 History of “Our” land yeah ok
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on August 26, 2023, 11:44:54 am
This should belong in "Gentilism", since it references Hunter-Gatherers.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 07, 2023, 03:53:21 am
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/alligator-florida-pictured-top-half-225703512.html

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Alligator in Florida Pictured with Top Half of Its Jaw Missing: 'Very Shocking'
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the clean cut also suggests this animal was caught in a hunting snare,"
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Earlier this year, another alligator in Florida faced similar conditions when it was found with its mouth taped shut in a pond in Hillsborough County.

Woke comments:

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Snares are the scourge of the wildlife all over the world. They make no distinction between the wildlife caught in them and can cause immense suffering to the animal caught in one. They should be outlawed and made illegal but that will probably never happen.

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a sick evil demonic subhuman cut it off

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I wouldn't put it past any low thinking individuals to have done something so horrific just for the heck of it.

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Yes, "the clean cut" does suggest to me that it is human work...who knows? Maybe somebody's idea of a "prank"! There are many, many vicious humans who enjoy killing and maiming for "fun" and "sport"!

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What kind of monster would do something so horrific to any animal?!?!?

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It was done by the Maga Trump GOP Swamp people of red state Florida.  The ones who voted Trump and DeSantis.  Animal Cruelty is just one of their stuff, in addition to being criminals and terrorists for the Maga cult.

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My guess is a mean MAGA youth with a band saw.

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yep definitely MAGA.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: Waters on September 27, 2023, 12:29:26 pm
Pink Floyd frontman Roger Waters 'said take away the Jew food' at restaurant in Lebanon
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Roger Waters has been accused of making antisemitic comments including describing a vegetarian meal as "Jew food", according to a new investigation.

Norbert Stachel, Mr Waters’ former saxophonist, described a meal during a tour in Lebanon at which only vegetarian dishes had been served: “Finally the twelfth or thirteenth dish came out.

"The waiter seemed intimidated already by the attitude and personalities and the loudness and the kinda arrogance and finally this dish comes and Roger kinda pushes it with his arm and he goes: ‘That’s it! That’s it! Where’s the meat? Where’s the meat? What’s with this? This is Jew food! What’s with the Jew food! Take away the Jew food!’"

"And I’m just sitting there: ‘Oh boy,’ you know, tongue tied again and kind of in a panic.”

The interview was part of an investigation by Campaign Against Antisemitism and Double Down News.

Other allegations include an e-mail from Roger Waters in which he proposed writing “Dirty k***” on an inflatable pig habitually floated above his concerts.

He is also accused of suggested “bombing” audiences with confetti in the shape of swastikas, Stars of David, dollar signs and other symbols.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOGyFxV-jYE

Roger Waters: Rebel without a pause
Interview from the DAILY TELEGRAPH, England, 13 May 2000

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Roger Waters, the guiding force behind the psychedelic rock band Pink Floyd, is now joining the hot debate in favour of foxhunting and keeping government hands off the countryside, says Rory Knight Bruce.

THINK of Pink Floyd and what comes to mind are a hazy 1970s loucheness, Dark Side of the Moon, lava lamps, and the distinctly anti-Thatcherite tone of The Wall.

What doesn't feature is a passionate belief in the rights of country people. Yet that is the position that Roger Waters - who was Pink Floyd - finds himself in: he is in sympathy with, to borrow Tony Blair's phrase, the "forces of conservatism".

In Barbados to work on his first album in eight years, a series of live American concerts and an opera based on the French Revolution, 56-year-old Waters has found time to reflect upon the England which, under Mrs Thatcher, he did so much to condemn. Unexpectedly, Tony Blair's assault on what Waters sees as the basic freedoms of the countryside may prompt him - a lifelong Labour supporter - to vote Conservative for the first time at the next general election.

Waters invites me to his house and we sit on the verandah. He is, for the time being, fixed on a pastoral view far beyond the horizon before us. "I think all rational people agree that foxes need to be controlled," he says. "I believe passionately in an Englishman's right to make up his own mind. I am afraid that the Government has been swayed by a vocal minority."

His love of the country, of the British landscape, has been passed down to Waters from his father and grandfather. It is something he has never spoken about before. Waters is famously private and during the three days I spend with him, he resists invitations to appear on the David Letterman television chat show in America. When we go one evening to a pool bar, not a single head turns in recognition, although everyone there would know his most famous creation, Dark Side of the Moon.

They would not know the darker side of the man, the brooding about such diverse subjects as river pollution and the war in Kosovo. But now his chief concern is that the English rural idyll he grew up in is being systematically destroyed by a government that does not understand, and cares little for, anything outside the cities.

It is as if his conscience has heard the call to arms. "We all have the opportunity to make one mark on the Big Picture," he says.

As a child in Cambridge, Waters would cycle out to the countryside and go bird-nesting in the beech woods. He used to fish the tributaries of the Cam at Grantchester for gudgeon and roach "with a bamboo pole and a bent pin".

This has given him a lifelong love of fishing and the rivers of England, and he regularly fishes the Test which, he points out, would not be there without the sporting fishermen who reclaimed the river from marshland and who protect its wildlife and fish-stocks today. "I see what has happened to the rivers of my youth, polluted by fertilisers, and I see how people who are concerned as sportsmen have saved them, with no help from the Government, and brought them back to life."

As a result of the riparian owners and sporting fisherman, in which he includes the Cockney fisherman catching the Tube to the canal bank at weekends, Waters points out that we enjoy significant birdlife on the river. "From my home," he says, "I can see mallard, merganser, Goldeneye and tufted duck, as well as a profusion of coots and moorhens."

Against such sentiments, it is fascinating to hear Waters's views on Sir Paul McCartney, an avowed vegetarian and opponent of hunting, and who has, it could be argued, used his fame to promote his opinions. "He is a person of great sincerity and I respect his right to hold his views," says Waters. "However, McCartney also disapproves of horse and dog racing on the grounds that they exploit the animals.

"Maybe," Waters allows, "if Sir Paul had his way, he would ban racing and eating meat as well as hunting and fishing. A ban on hunting could be the thin end of a very thick wedge."

Waters also dismisses Sir Paul's suggestions that foxhunting should be replaced with draghunting. "Draghunting won't catch on because it's not hunting, there's no spontaneity. People enjoy foxhunting, at least in part, because it is 'hunting'. There is a quarry, that's the point. Man is a hunter. To legislate against his natural instinct is folly."

Waters's views on hunting were formed early. When he was a child, his grandparents would drive him out into the south of England countryside in their Ford Anglia to meets of the local foxhounds. "I remember seeing hunts in progress across farmland and thinking what a spectacular sight they were. I was very struck by the hunt followers on their bicycles or in Ford Populars with their Thermos flasks and a ruddy atmosphere of enthusiasm."...
Entire article: http://www.pink-floyd.org/artint/rw130500.htm
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 27, 2023, 05:52:35 pm
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Roger Waters 'said take away the Jew food' at restaurant in Lebanon

For the record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Lebanon#Lebanese_Jews

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As of 2018, the Jews in Lebanon make up the smallest recognized religious group, with merely 69 persons or 0.08% of the population.

Waters, whom we promoted in the past on account of his BDS support, is no longer recoverable.

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describing a vegetarian meal as "Jew food"

This is a frequent narrative in low-information rightist circles: everything ethical is inaccurately smeared as "Jewish" in order to discourage it. This also has the additional negative side-effect of turning ethically inclined but misinformed people pro-Jewish! It is the total opposite of our approach of turning ethically inclined people anti-Jewish by exposing the unethicality of actual Judaism.

(See also: http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/true-leftists-are-anti-jewish-rightists-are-merely-anti-soros/ )

Continuing:

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‘That’s it! That’s it! Where’s the meat? Where’s the meat? What’s with this? This is Jew food! What’s with the Jew food! Take away the Jew food!’

The meat is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_animals

This is Jew food.

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He used to fish the tributaries of the Cam at Grantchester for gudgeon and roach "with a bamboo pole and a bent pin".

This has given him a lifelong love of fishing and the rivers of England, and he regularly fishes the Test which, he points out, would not be there without the sporting fishermen who reclaimed the river from marshland and who protect its wildlife and fish-stocks today. "I see what has happened to the rivers of my youth, polluted by fertilisers, and I see how people who are concerned as sportsmen have saved them, with no help from the Government, and brought them back to life."

As a result of the riparian owners and sporting fisherman, in which he includes the Cockney fisherman catching the Tube to the canal bank at weekends, Waters points out that we enjoy significant birdlife on the river. "From my home," he says, "I can see mallard, merganser, Goldeneye and tufted duck, as well as a profusion of coots and moorhens."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/

Continuing:

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Sir Paul's suggestions that foxhunting should be replaced with draghunting

Foxhunting should be replaced with foxhunterhunting.

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Man is a hunter. To legislate against his natural instinct is folly."

What is folly is to expect him to follow the legislation. This is why we need to eliminate his bloodlines.

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Waters's views on hunting were formed early. When he was a child, his grandparents would drive him out into the south of England countryside in their Ford Anglia to meets of the local foxhounds. "I remember seeing hunts in progress across farmland and thinking what a spectacular sight they were. I was very struck by the hunt followers on their bicycles or in Ford Populars with their Thermos flasks and a ruddy atmosphere of enthusiasm."...

This was when Waters' bloodline should have been prevented from perpetuating.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on September 27, 2023, 06:25:47 pm
"This is a frequent narrative in low-information rightist circles: everything ethical is inaccurately smeared as "Jewish" in order to discourage it."
I prefer they use the term "goyslop" or "grass eater" (as many are doing now), which actually reveals their own Jewishness. But I suppose even those who use the term "goyslop" think they are "anti Jewish" because they are no longer eating "what the Jews want us to eat". In reality, by using the term they admit that they view non-humans the same way Jews view non-Jews.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 01, 2023, 05:47:55 pm
Here is another absurdly low-information example:

https://incels.is/threads/is-sugar-one-of-the-worst-things-jews-invented.531226/

In reality, sugar is about as Aryan as it gets:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugarcane#Cultivation

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Sugarcane cultivation requires a tropical or subtropical climate, with a minimum of 60 cm (24 in) of annual moisture. It is one of the most efficient photosynthesizers in the plant kingdom. It is a C4 plant, able to convert up to 1% of incident solar energy into biomass.[34] In primary growing regions across the tropics and subtropics, sugarcane crops can produce over 15 kg/m2 of cane.
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Sugarcane is cultivated in the tropics and subtropics in areas with a plentiful supply of water for a continuous period of more than 6–7 months each year, either from natural rainfall or through irrigation.
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Both plentiful sunshine and water supplies increase cane production. This has made desert countries with good irrigation facilities such as Egypt some of the highest-yielding sugarcane-cultivating regions.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg12347/#msg12347
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on October 01, 2023, 06:26:51 pm
Note how the poster also used the term "goyslop" despite proclaiming to be "anti-Jewish". This goes back to my earlier post. I also remembered this post:
http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/concerning-gentiles/
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Many people use the terms “Gentile” and “Goy” interchangeably. This is sloppy, and I discourage it. “Goy” is a reminder of how Jews view us, namely as people outside of their circle of tribal altruism. It refers to the group’s  status of selected victimization, not to the characteristics of the group. Nor is it limited to use only when Jews are the oppressor. As I often say, in the eyes of humanists, non-humans are Goys. The Aryanist ideal is a world without Goys ie. without oppression.

Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 02, 2023, 05:09:42 pm
Origins of the Global North?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Schematic_ethnogenesis_of_the_Eastern_Hunter-Gatherers_%28EHG%29.png/1280px-Schematic_ethnogenesis_of_the_Eastern_Hunter-Gatherers_%28EHG%29.png)

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/temperature-effects/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/diplomatic-decolonization/msg22279/#msg22279
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: rp on November 02, 2023, 09:51:24 pm
The Ancient Northern Eurasian ancestry seems to be the origin of the "Caucasoid" phenotype in modern day populations. The difference is that this ancestry in "non White" populations such as Levantines, Arabs, Persians and Indians seems to have mutated for warmer climates.
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 02, 2023, 11:10:23 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian

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As the geography and chronology of the ANE component show, it is misleading to describe it as Western Eurasian and associate it solely with ancient Caucasoids. To all appearances, it emerged before the Caucasoid-Mongoloid split.

In any case, we should encourage the idea that warm-evolved "Caucasoids" should feel closer to warm-evolved "non-Caucasoids" than with cold-evolved "Caucasoids". Compare:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/social-decolonization/msg9846/?topicseen#msg9846

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(https://commons.princeton.edu/mg/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Household_and_Family_Structures.jpg)

with:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/diplomatic-decolonization/msg22279/#msg22279

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(https://drhebatallahadam.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/jcgs-youtube-page55.jpeg?w=1280)
Title: Re: Gentilism
Post by: antihellenistic on March 13, 2024, 09:37:15 am
Western Civilization, advancement of Gentilism

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The first modification was quite straightforward and involved a consideration of “comparative patterns of racial and ethnic stratification,” and of “the gender division of labor and gender inequality” (1995a: 328–391). The second one conceptualized the work of Wallerstein as central to the study of social evolution throughout the world since the 16th century. The third modification included the verdict that throughout much of social evolution the material standard of living, the quality of work, and the degree of social equality had deteriorated for most of the people of the earth. Sanderson concluded that hunter-gatherer societies were the most progressive. Europe’s high culture was irrelevant. While he recognized that with the rise of industrial capitalism the standard of living of advanced societies had improved, and that in recent decades some gains had been achieved in less developed countries, he added that the gap between developed and less developed countries had steadily widened. Sanderson did not deny that individual autonomy and freedom had increased in modern industrial societies as compared to agrarian civilizations, but he still insisted that hunting and gathering bands and horticultural tribes were “the truest democracies,” and that primitive peoples enjoyed about the same if not greater individual freedom (1995b: 337–356).

Source :

The Uniqueness of Western Civilization Ricardo Duchesne page 28, 29