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Title: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 13, 2020, 12:04:09 am
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Progressivism itself is a Western idea, therefore it is impossible to be anti-Western while remaining progressive.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

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Progressivism is the support for or advocacy of improvement of society by reform.[1] It is today largely synonymous with left-of-centre political ideology.

This is what we are here to change.

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As a philosophy, it is based on the idea of progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition.

Literally everything about this statement is opposed to True Left thinking.

Firstly, concern merely for "the human condition" would make us moral humanists, which we are not. We are moral universalists, which implies that we do not consider non-humans an exploitable out-group for the sake of the human in-group. And immediately we have an example of how moral universalism clashes with progressivism: scientific/technological research, most notably in Western medicine, requiring experimentation on animals whose participatory consent was never sought. Progressives, even if they can be made to agree that animals should not be needlessly subjected to violence, will however argue that progress is a valid "need" justifying violence whenever such violence is the only way to achieve progress. Only by courageously rejecting the value of progress altogether are we on firm ground to stand unequivocally against violence. Thus not only do we oppose all further research involving violence, but also we wish to eliminate all technology founded on such research already done, such as Western medicine itself, not least as a token of respect for the victims of the past. (For this reason, the True Left is proud to own the label "Regressive Left" applied to us by rightists originally intended as an insult, even if we do not agree with all its ascribed characteristics according to rightists.)

Secondly, what is "advancement"? According to progressivists, advancement is to be equated with accumulation: MORE science/technology is better, a LARGER and/or MORE COMPLEX economy/society is better, and so on. In such a perspective, there is no completion point. No matter how much advancement occurs, further advancement is always imaginable and thereupon worthy to strive for. This is what progressivism really means: absence of a definable mission (which demands a fixed completion point as part of the definition), and in its place an open-ended journey which (conveniently) permits unlimited self-congratulation along the way - a Western attitude to the core. In short, to progressives, "advancement" means indefinite movement away from the starting point. We, in contrast, recognize that advancement is only meaningful as definite movement towards the completion point, which is necessarily a process of simplification, as the nearer we get to our destination, the more knowledge/technqiues/equipment/plans/etc. (that we previously needed to get us to where we are now) can be DISCARDED, and only that which necessary for making the remainder of the journey need be retained. In this understanding, progressivism (which is trivially identifiable as a form of accumulationism) is actually moving the world away from the completion point, and thus is an outright enemy of our mission.

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Progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from uncivilized conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society.[2] Figures of the Enlightenment believed that progress had universal application to all societies and that these ideas would spread across the world from Europe.[2]

In other words, the original progressivists were at least Eurocentrists and in some cases neocons. This is why it is absurd for leftists to associate with progressivism.

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The meanings of progressivism have varied over time and from different perspectives. The contemporary common political conception of progressivism in the culture of the Western world emerged from the vast social changes brought about by industrialization in the Western world in the late 19th century, particularly out of the view that progress was being stifled by vast economic inequality between the rich and the poor; minimally regulated laissez-faire capitalism with monopolistic corporations; and intense and often violent conflict between workers and capitalists, thus claiming that measures were needed to address these problems.[3] Early progressivism was also tied to eugenics[4][5][6] and the temperance movement.[7][8]

You see how much of a sick joke progressivism is. Industrialization itself would be classified as "advancement" by progressivists, yet industrialization has created massive new problems which never existed before, while solving none of the old problems but only exacerbating them by increasing (via population explosion, territorial spread, etc.) the scale of size on which the same problems (plus the new ones!) now have to be solved. But instead of hence realizing that industrialization should never have happened, and laying the blame for it on Western civilization, progressivists merely complain that social "advancement" has failed to keep pace with economic "advancement", and thus make it their new aim to bring on the necessary social "advancement"! In other words, instead of realizing that the "advancement" that has already happened is harmful and must be reversed ASAP, progressivists double-down, believing that another round of "advancement" is the answer to problems created by the previous round of "advancement"! It is the equivalent of taking one drug to offset the side-effects of another drug, instead of immediately quitting as a sensible person would do. But the point is that progressivists are not sensible people; they are long-term addicts to Western civilization, who should be viewed the way we view other long-term drug addicts. (The irony of progressivism supporting the temperance movement.....)

As for eugenics, progressivists fantasize about "advancement" on the biological level, namely breeding a human type genetically optimized for endless scientific, technological, economic and every other type of "advancement" at maximum speed, basically a race of super-Westerners, who would no doubt soon expand human habitation beyond Earth. This, a definitive milestone of "advancement" set by Western civilization, is however one of the worst nightmares of the True Left. We are, if anything, thankful that a significant number (albeit proportionately far too few) of genetic anti-Westerners (such as ourselves) exist to hold back the world from progressivism. If not for us, the progressivist fantasy might already have become reality.

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I think one major attitude which causes False Leftists to latch on to progressivism is their "temporal tribalism" and belief in the myth that the passage of time always brings about social 'progress'. Somehow, the irony that it is [current year], and yet racism social ills are increasing, is lost. (But perhaps the technological advancement which tends to come with time is more important to them than social justice, afterall?)

It was not long ago that prominent leftists rejected the myth of time and did not believe the curing of social ills was inevitable.

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"I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth of time. I received a letter this morning from a white brother in Texas which said, "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but is it possible that you are in too great of a religious hurry? It has taken Christianity almost 2000 years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth." All that is said here grows out of a tragic misconception of time. It is the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time is neutral. It can be used either destructively or constructively. I am coming to feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. We must come to see that human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability. It comes through the tireless efforts and persistent work of men willing to be coworkers with God, and without this hard work time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation."

-Martin Luther King, Letter from Birmingham Jail (1963).

Although he uses the vocabulary of 'progress', it seems the underlying sentiment goes against progressivism. The "white moderates" cite the endless movement of time away from the life of Jesus as the "progress" of his teachings. Meanwhile, King makes it clear that the mission of ending racism is still far from being completed, and hence that we are not moving towards a world where Jesus's teachings have been successfully implemented.

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And immediately we have an example of how moral universalism clashes with progressivism: scientific/technological research, most notably in Western medicine, requiring experimentation on animals whose participatory consent was never sought. Progressives, even if they can be made to agree that animals should not be needlessly subjected to violence, will however argue that progress is a valid "need" justifying violence whenever such violence is the only way to achieve progress.

This is one of the things that disgusts me most about so-called "bleeding heart" liberals. Progressives, via technological advancement, have turned our world into a place where these bone-chilling torture facilities are not only common place, but considered "absolutely necessary" to sustain the status quo of Western civilization:

www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a26038/the-blood-of-the-crab/

If a synthetic manufacturing process becomes widespread and renders it unnecessary to keep torturing the crabs (read: if synthetic processing becomes more profitable than capturing the dwindling-supply of crabs), Western civilization junkies will pat themselves on the back for achieving a world where people are "too kind and advanced" to exploit crabs. In reality, in such a scenario the world would merely be reverting to the torture-free state which existed prior to the completely unnecessary "advancement" of crab torture in the first place.

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but only exacerbating them by increasing (via population explosion, territorial spread, etc.) the scale of size on which the same problems (plus the new ones!) now have to be solved.

With these increases in size, so too has their hubris increased. There are more slaves today than at any point in history (30 million individuals). But I have seen many progressives, who desire at all costs to maintain the narrative that social justice is "progressing" with time, assert that because the proportion of slaves out of the total population is decreasing, the issue of slavery has actually made great social progress over the past few centuries. Slavery is, per capita, less prevalent in the West than it was hundreds of years ago, and therefore out of sight and out of mind.

This is a disgusting trivialization of the fact that the victims of slavery are individuals. One individual being enslaved and tortured in 1800 is the same as one individual being enslaved and tortured in 2018. One life is forever changed. The individual scale does not change as the population increases--one individual remains one individual; one life; one set of experiences. Imagine if all the enslaved individuals from 1800 were standing together in a large crowd. As the centuries go by, the crowd only expands--not shrinks... More individuals have been enslaved and added to the crowd (and this visualization does not even consider that the individuals from 1800 are all dead in 2018--i.e. the population of slaves has not merely been at a neutral "replacement rate" of growth, but has always been growing). With the number of slaves that exist today, all of the 1800s colonial plantations could not only be completely repopulated and recreated, but expanded. Yet that is considered "progress" to many who do not deserve to call themselves leftists.

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There are, shockingly, more people in slavery today than at any time in human history - but campaigners think the world is close to a tipping point and that slavery may be eradicated in the next 30 years.

The estimated number of people in slavery - 27 million - is more than double the total number believed to have been taken from Africa during the transatlantic slave trade.

Ship records make it possible to estimate the number of slaves transported from Africa to the Americas and the Caribbean, from the 16th Century until the trade was banned in 1807 - and the figure is about 12.5 million people.

The figure of 27 million slaves today comes from researcher Kevin Bales, of Free the Slaves - who blames the huge figure on rapid population growth, poverty and government corruption.
www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19831913

Individuals are not individuals to 'progressives', but statistics so Westerners can pat themselves on the back for accumulating different 'achievements'...
ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Two-centuries-World-as-100-people.png

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"perhaps the technological advancement which tends to come with time is more important to them than social justice, afterall?"

This is likely. And this is why "False Leftist" is an accurate term for them.

Here is an initial attempt at breaking it down:

Technophobe Right (Amish etc.) - wants neither more machines nor social justice
Archeofuturist Right (traditionalist Westerners) - wants more machines but not social justice
False Left (progressive Westerners) - wants more machines as well as social justice
True Left - wants social justice but not more machines

What do you think?

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Actually, time is neutral. It can be used either destructively or constructively.

Actually, time is adulteration. Yes, how we use time is up to us, but it takes flawlessly optimal use of time to barely prevent our own adulteration, or to re-purify ourselves if we have already been adulterated. The completion point is actually the starting point; successful completion is getting back to it.

"we are not moving towards a world where Jesus's teachings have been successfully implemented"

Not least the following teaching (that is the same as what I just said above):

“A person old in days will not hesitate to ask a child of seven days about the Place of Life, and he will live! For many who are first will become last, and they will become one and the same.” - Jesus

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www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a26038/the-blood-of-the-crab/

Western medicine must die. All these vampires Western medics need to be tortured the exact same way for eternity in hell.

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you can divide the bacteria of the world into two groups based on a test developed by Christian Gram, a Danish physician of the late 1800s

Imagine if Charles Martel had lost at Poitiers. There would have been no Gram, and hence countless crabs would have been spared exploitation. And Gram is only one Westerner. How many more Westerners could have been prevented from ever existing (and hence how many more (trillions of) victims of their discoveries spared violence) if only that one battle had turned out differently?

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Some rightists have **** the sentimental divergence between False Left and True Left better than many leftists currently have:

www.takimag.com/article/bernie-vs-ta-nehisi/

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The Democratic 2020 race is shaping up into a battle between Bernie Sanders’ new Old Left and those candidates, such as Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, and Julian Castro, who pay respectful lip service to Ta-Nehisi Coates’ new Woke Left
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As progressives become more demographically diverse, the ideas that appeal to them become more regressive. Coates, who went from receiving the MacArthur genius grant for his denunciations of escalator racism to writing the Black Panther comic book for Marvel, epitomizes the essential childishness of the woke.

Yes! We are regresssive, and childhood is our inspiration!

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The war between Bernie and TNC pits the old Marx-influenced left, with its hardheaded obsession with class, power, and money, against the new Coatesian left, which cares more about whether Marvel’s next movie features a black, female, or nonbinary superhero.

Yes! We are emphatically not Marxists, as I have been saying all along!

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Coates cares deeply about that little boy’s question: Who would win in a fight? Your hero or my hero?
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Unlike Bernie, Coates is concerned with the old-fashioned comic-book virtues that appeal to 9-year-old boys: honor, status, representation, heredity, antiquity, and vengeance.

Hold my beer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhS_83SFFrg

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Inigo is enormously popular with audiences because he heroically exemplifies unsophisticated premodern values.

Likewise, Coates’ Inigo Montoya Progressivism isn’t based on any highbrow theory of class or liberty or even of minoritarianism.

Instead, Coatesism is the reactionary idea that the Bad Guys are the people who impugned the honor of the Good Guys, and we know who the Good Guys are and who the Bad Guys are, and they will be Good or Bad forever.

This is moral dualism, which is essential to a Gnostic worldview.

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To accompany the previous post, here is a good example of regressive leftist rhetoric:

worldisraelnews.com/senior-hamas-official-calls-for-slaughter-of-jews-throughout-world/

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“There are Jews everywhere,” Hammad shouted. “We must attack every Jew on planet Earth! We must slaughter and kill them, with Allah’s help,”
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“We will lacerate them and tear them to pieces,” he added.
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Hammad claimed Palestinians would “die cutting off [Jews’] heads” and “killing them with explosive belts,”
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Hammad also incited Palestinians in Judea and Samaria, telling them to purchase “five-shekel knives” and “cut the necks of Jews.”

We are here to make rhetoric like this become normal leftist rhetoric all around the world.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 13, 2020, 12:12:17 am
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False Left AI fail:

www.wired.com/story/drag-queens-vs-far-right-toxic-tweets/

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Some of these AI systems, developed to measure the "toxicity" of text-based content, make use of natural language processing and sentiment assessment to detect harmful text.
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The AI measures the perceived level of “toxicity” of text-based content. Perspec­tive defines "toxic" as "a rude, disrespectful, or unreason­able comment that is likely to make you leave a discussion.” Accordingly, the AI model was trained by asking people to rate internet comments on a scale from "very healthy" to "very toxic." The level of perceived toxicity indicates the likelihood that a specific comment will be considered toxic.

We used Perspective’s API to compare the perceived levels of toxicity of well-known drag queens and far-right political figures. The study compared the Twitter accounts of all the former participants of RuPaul's Drag Race with those of far-right leaders such as David Duke, Richard Spencer, Stefan Molyneux, and Faith Goldy. Additionally, we included prom­inent non-LGBTQ Twitter users, including Donald Trump and Michelle Obama. We analyzed over 114,000 tweets posted in English with Perspective’s most recent version.

Our results indicate that a significant number of drag queen Twitter accounts were calculated to have higher perceived levels of toxicity than white nationalist leaders. On average, the toxicity levels of the drag queens’ accounts ranged from 16.68 percent to 37.81 percent, while the white nationalists’ averages spanned from 21.30 percent to 28.87 percent. The toxicity level of President Trump’s Twitter account was 21.84 percent.

Rudeness and disrespectfulness towards evil is heroic, not toxic. It is politeness and respectfulness towards evil which is toxic. But the AI cannot grasp this because the AI only sees the rudeness, not the target of the rudeness (and hence whether or not the target deserves the rudeness). In order for the AI to be successful, it would first have to learn to distinguish between punching up (what True Leftists do) and punching down (what rightists do).

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Drag queens can be sharp-tongued. From “reads”—a specific form of insult that acerbically exposes someone’s flaws—to harsh jokes and comebacks, drag queens often reclaim words traditionally used as slurs to build a distinctive communication style.
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"I AM BLACK. I AM GAY. I AM A MAN. I AM A DRAG QUEEN. If those are not enough for you...kindly, **** OFF!!!"

Level of toxicity: 95.98 percent

And yet no one here would find this objectionable in the slightest, because we know whatever rudeness contained is directed not towards us, but directed only towards those who inside their own minds already failed to see him as an individual first, and hence only towards those who deserve to be treated rudely. On the other hand:

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Though the ideas promoted by white nationalist tweets may target vulnerable groups, Perspective's AI often categorized them as much less toxic than the drag queens’ tweets:
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"The three major races have different brain volumes and different average IQs."

Level of toxicity: 21.7 percent

And yet everyone here wants Molyneux's fingers cut off slice by slice as punishment for typing such a tweet, because he is the one proactively encouraging his readers to not treat people as individuals.

Honestly, I wonder what "level of toxicity" the following (superlatively heroic) line would get from the AI:

"Whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." - Jesus

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This is mostly about sports, but interesting non-the-less.

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Increasingly, what we do outside is less about enjoying the activity itself as an intrinsic good, and more about planning ways to go bigger, faster, and farther, often for our selfie-stick mounted cameras. And so it went that once healthy outdoor pursuits devolved into suicide clubs.

Stop the Progression Already
getpocket.com/explore/item/stop-the-progression-already?utm_source=pocket-newtab

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I think it's an understanding from many people that progressivism means challenging traditionalism by accepting better changes.

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"challenging traditionalism"

Then why not simply call it anti-traditionalism?

A problem with anti-traditionalism calling itself "progressivism" is that it implicitly discourages association by anti-traditionalists with the ancient world as a whole (which is casually dismissed as "ignorant", "savage", etc.), even though the ancient world includes many things besides tradition. This leaves the ancient world to be claimed uncontested by traditionalists, and subsequently portrayed as being solely traditional, thereby monopolizing nostalgia for ancient times to serve traditionalism alone. The point of regressivism is to block traditionalists from such monopolization (and hence their portrayal of anti-traditionalism as a solely modern attitude) by raising awareness that anti-tradition is no less part of the past than is tradition, thereby actively encouraging anti-traditionalists to look to the ancient world for inspiration.

"accepting better changes"

Better by what standards?

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False leftist technocracy:

https://forward.com/fast-forward/397000/elon-musk-parties-in-jerusalem-gets-serious-at-masada-all-on-instagram/

https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musk-video-lets-us-peep-inside-spacex-starship-innards/

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France was historically a main crucible of the False Left, so the following shift is encouraging:

jacobinmag.com/2019/11/france-left-islamophobia-macron-melenchon-bayonne-attack-marine-le-pen

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France’s Left Is Finally Fighting Islamophobia
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The intensity of Islamophobic racism and its centrality to the ideology of the French ruling class make it an urgent priority for left-wing political forces. But the French left, strongly committed to France’s secularist tradition, has historically not been up to the task.

Just after the November 2015 attacks, Jean-Luc Mélenchon, 2017 presidential candidate and popular figurehead of the left-nationalist La France Insoumise party, said that he disputed the very term “Islamophobia.” Mélenchon, who has consistently called for the prohibition of public displays of religion like Muslim street prayers, gave an explanation widespread across the political spectrum: “For my part,” he said, “I defend the idea that we have the right not to like Islam, we have the right not to like the Catholic religion, and that is one of our freedoms.”

In fact, Mélenchon was attacking a straw man here. Left-wing groups fighting Islamophobia have never wanted to stifle critique of religion as such: Mélenchon’s declaration served only to discredit the campaign against anti-Muslim racism. It was a sign of how things have changed for the better that, at the party’s summer school this August, a similar statement by a different speaker caused a furor.

Sunday’s march, with its demand to put an end to discrimination, hate speech, and “liberticidal” laws directed against Muslim people, may be the start of a major realignment. Initiated by Madjid Messaoudene, a local politician in the Saint-Denis suburb north of Paris, the New Anticapitalist Party (NPA), the CCIF, and activist groups fighting racist police violence, among others, the march was endorsed by the largest coalition of left-wing individuals and organizations ever assembled against Islamophobia.
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The evolution in attitudes toward Islamophobia was particularly clear in Mélenchon. While some members of his own party, initially supportive of the march, hedged and backtracked, Mélenchon maintained his strong support, regardless of his reservations about the term “Islamophobia.” He noted that no concrete alternative was being offered by the march’s opponents, and he criticized the fact that “on the basis of a disagreement about a word, people are managing to refuse Muslims the right to be defended by people who aren’t Muslim and who want to put an end to the current atmosphere against them.”

Even the electorally decimated Socialist Party, whose refusal to participate on Sunday was read by some organizers as an attempt to sabotage the march, may have been somewhat influenced. The fact that the most venomously Islamophobic Socialists, like former prime minister Manuel Valls, are no longer in the party (many having gone over to Macron’s La République En Marche! movement) has played a role here. Seeking to give the impression that they are committed to fighting racism, the PS says it will call for a different demonstration against anti-Muslim hatred in the coming weeks. How serious it is remains to be seen.

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I'm not a completely decided Kaczynskiite, but I think he has some good points that we can all agree on, so I wanna shoot this out there to see what you guys think. From what I can summarize, his keypoints against technology include:

[1]: Technological growth enables economic and mental enslavement on scales never before seen (EG: environmental devastation, population explosion, compulsory education).

[2]: There are two kinds of technology; smallscale technology ~ that is, tech that doesn't require an entire industrialcomplex to produce it, such as wooden longhouses and chairs ~ and organizational technology, which does require entire an industrialcomplex to produce (such as computers and cars). The marked difference between these two forms of technology is that, while organizational technology can do wonders, it tends to make life overlydependent on it, thus making people vulnerable to enslavement and that it is therefore bad.

[3]: Technological civilization will inevitably fall due to its precarious "lastminute" and complex nature.

[4]: People who advocate that marginalized people in society can and are capable, and should be, outstanding members of technological society aren't actually helping them, because all they're doing is encouraging them to be goodslaves to society.

In our own words, this is when we speak of people who say "blacks" should become scientists, doctors, politicians, Et cetera aren't actually helping them spiritually, because all they're really doing is trying to get them to become more "white"/Western imo.

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The following video shows why progressives will never be leftists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiFv8v5YcqY

Yeah. Go ahead and keep making excuses for Trump supporters and blame “de industrialization”. No wonder we are not progressives; we are against industrialization itself!

This illustrates the divide between True Leftists and False Leftists as manifest presently: False Leftists are the ones who will make excuses for Trump supporters at every corner, while True Leftists are the ones who will unrelentingly criticize Trump supporters for their racism.

Don't just take my word for it; here is an article where the author encapsulates this perfectly:
www.theroot.com/why-your-presidential-candidate-is-trash-yes-yours-to-1841274872

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The truth is, that Bernie Sanders often sidesteps institutional racism, instead, casting racial disparities as consequences of capitalism and corporate greed. There are instances, including a recent interview with the New York Times editorial board, when it seems as if Sanders is unable to say the words “white supremacy” or “racism.”

If this division can be exacerbated, we can once and for all distinguish the True Left from the False Left.

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Yang also makes excuses for Trump supporters, believing that racism is a symptom of what he calls "a mindset of scarcity" and hence that inculcating "a mindset of abundance" is the solution. I would say instead that abundance might* temporarily distract racists from acting on their racism, whereas scarcity will drive them to immediately act on it, but internally they still had to be racist in the first place for any of the above to apply at all. Anti-racists do not become racists from scarcity. On the contrary, anti-racists experiencing scarcity feel even more connected to those afflicted by even worse scarcity (e.g. refugees).

(* I say "might" because the colonial era was an era of unprecedented abundance for the colonial powers. Did that make them any less racist?)

From this angle, progressivism is basically a proposal to saturate society in so much abundance that the differences between superior people and inferior people become as close to indistinguishable as possible. Regressivism, on the other hand, views scarcity as a good opportunity to see more clearly who is superior and who is inferior, and hence to permanently remove the inferior from society.

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The most annoying thing is when they call Trumpism “populism”, simply because he is popular. The correct term for this phenomenon would be “popularism”, but illiterate journos don’t care...

And you are correct that the effect of economic abundance on racism is negligible, as many Trump supporters are from wealthy backgrounds! For example, in the South, many Trump supporters were formerly Obama supporters from affluent suburbs who merely supported Obama to counter the accusation that they were racist. But given that they themselves are descendants of segregationists, it was only a matter of time before they began to show their true colors.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 13, 2020, 12:14:33 am
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The following article is worth a read:
www.exactlywhatistime.com/psychology-of-time/time-perception/


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Time perception refers to a person’s subjective experience of the passage of time, or the perceived duration of events, which can differ significantly between different individuals and/or in different circumstances. Although physical time appears to be more or less objective, psychological time is subjective and potentially malleable, exemplified by common phrases like “time flies when you are having fun” and “a watched pot never boils”. This malleability is made particularly apparent by the various temporal illusions we experience.

As a field of study within psychology and neuroscience, time perception came of age in the late 19th Century with the studies of the relationship between perceived and measured time by one of the founders of modern experimental psychology, Gustav Theodor Fechner.

We do not so much perceive time itself, but changes in or the passage of time, or what might be described as “events in time”. In particular, we are aware of the temporal relations between events, and we perceive events as being either simultaneous or successive. We also have a perception of the sequence or order of these events.

Our sense of time seems to have originated as a product of human evolution, and it is not a purely automatic or innate process, but a complex activity that we develop and actively learn as we grow. Humans are, as far as we know, the only animals to be consciously aware of the passage of time and our own impermanence and mortality, and to have a consciousness of the past that is anything more than pure instinct and behavioural conditioning.

So if time is subjective, this must be why non-Aryans see history as endless progress, since to them time would go by fast, as each subsequent historical event is merely another blip on the radar. For Aryans, who are against the notion of progress, time would go by slower, as historical events would be viewed with more introspection.

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Humans are, as far as we know, the only animals to be consciously aware of the passage of time and our own impermanence and mortality, and to have a consciousness of the past that is anything more than pure instinct and behavioural conditioning.

Who writes this ****? Oh, a Westerner.

"this must be why non-Aryans see history as endless progress, since to them time would go by fast, as each subsequent historical event is merely another blip on the radar. For Aryans, who are against the notion of progress, time would go by slower, as historical events would be viewed with more introspection."

Progress was not the worldview in ancient times even among non-Aryans, but was a post-Renaissance (Western, of course) idea:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress

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The concept of progress was introduced in the early 19th-century social theories, especially social evolution as described by Auguste Comte and Herbert Spencer. It was present in the Enlightenment's philosophies of history.
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From the 18th century through late 20th century, the history of science, especially of the physical and biological sciences, was often presented as a progressive accumulation of knowledge, in which true theories replaced false beliefs.[8]
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The scientific advances of the 16th and 17th centuries provided a basis for Francis Bacon's book the New Atlantis. In the 17th century, Bernard le Bovier de Fontenelle described progress with respect to arts and the sciences, saying that each age has the advantage of not having to rediscover what was accomplished in preceding ages.

Many Aryan individuals also embraced the idea of progress once they were introduced to it. They simply strove for progress in the direction of nobility. It is nobility that defines Aryans. An Aryan believer in progress and an Aryan non-believer in progress will agree in practice (at least more than the Aryan believer in progress would agree with the non-Aryan believer in progress, or more than the Aryan non-believer in progress with the non-Aryan non-believer in progress) regarding what the world should be like; the only difference is that the former will believe what they both want never existed in the past, whereas the latter will believe that it once did.

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Scarborough's rhetoric in this video summarizes everything wrong with leftists being progressives:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cxoPGkp71o

You cannot praise machines and then complain about a virus likely produced by machines (genetic engineering etc.) and certainly spread rapidly around the world by machines (aircraft etc.), or for that matter about Trump whose election victory was made possible by machines (social media etc.).
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: guest5 on September 13, 2020, 12:42:59 pm
Let's talk about when progressives will be satisfied....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEHM5Cegmko

Great point:
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Conservatives typically defend old progressive ideas....
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: guest22 on October 05, 2020, 04:00:11 am
Technophobe Right (Amish etc.) - wants neither more machines nor social justice
Archeofuturist Right (traditionalist Westerners) - wants more machines but not social justice
False Left (progressive Westerners) - wants more machines as well as social justice
True Left - wants social justice but not more machines

The Culture series by Iain M Banks would be a perfect example of what you call False Left.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 04, 2020, 11:18:48 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHWvtSaLGSg

As usual, False Leftist Pakman after describing the problem says he does not know the solution. But we do. You can only defeat what he calls "mythical thinking" rightists with a similarly mythical leftism. As usual, by assuming that the problem is the condition of mythical thinking itself, rather than what someone is thinking mythically about, False Left thinking from the outset precludes leftists from accessing the very tools required to defeat our enemies.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 07, 2020, 01:57:54 pm
https://nypost.com/2020/12/07/teen-who-beheaded-french-teacher-reportedly-given-heros-funeral/

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“He is a hero for the whole Islamic world,” the head of the Shalazhi administration was quoted as saying.

This is the attitude we need.

Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: rp on December 09, 2020, 07:22:33 am
"As usual, False Leftist Pakman after describing the problem says he does not know the solution."
I am not surprised Pakman (Jew) would say that.
Title: Re: Homo Hubris
Post by: guest5 on December 11, 2020, 11:16:06 am
Nobel Peace Prize Winners Keep Starting Wars
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The trouble with the Nobel Peace Prize.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbHyV6N4aJM
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 28, 2021, 01:44:18 am
False Leftists promote equity, but on the grounds that it will lead to more innovation:

(https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/cms/attachment/3d53411a-d338-4b23-9ec3-c30adda98581/gr1.jpg)

I am tired of any supposed 'leftism' whose values are the same as rightist values (ie. Western values) but merely have different opinions about how to achieve them. (For the record, we academically agree with rightists that equity will not lead to more innovation. That is if anything why we like it!)

The following is a portrayal of equity closer to True Left sensibilities:

(https://nscbc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/equalityVequity-1024x637.png)

Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 22, 2021, 10:54:59 pm
How do you know a False Leftist is talking? They use long-winded terminology that doesn't actually mean anything:

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2AM0NX

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White supremacy a 'transnational threat', U.N. chief warns
...
“Far too often, these hate groups are cheered on by people in positions of responsibility in ways that were considered unimaginable not long ago,” Guterres said. “We need global coordinated action to defeat this grave and growing danger.”

OK, so what does "global coordinated action" mean? Answer: no one knows and no one needs to be able to say. (At best it means many countries officially agreeing on record that white supremacism is deplorable, and then going back to ignoring the problem.) This kind of terminology is designed to placate listeners to think that something is being done so that they don't need to do anything themselves.

What does a True Leftist think we need to defeat white supremacism? Not "global coordinated action". We need to eliminate all white supremacist bloodlines. This is the difference. Every policy proposal by a True Leftist, whether or not you agree with it, is something that can actually be done and, more importantly, something that anyone can trivially check to see whether or not it is being done at any given moment.

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Guterres warned about the power of digital platforms and the use and abuse of data.

“I urge all Member States to place human rights at the centre of regulatory frameworks and legislation on the development and use of digital technologies,” he said. “We need a safe, equitable and open digital future that does not infringe on privacy or dignity.”

This is even worse. How can a digital future be all of the following: safe, equitable, open, private, dignified? It is impossible! Furthermore, for whom? Should digital platforms be safe for white supremacists? Open to white supremacists? Offer privacy and dignity to white supremacists? But False Leftists don't care about making sense; they only care about hitting all the words which sound nice, even when put together it results in logical contradiction! This is why no one should bother listening to False Leftists talk.

And "human rights"? Should white supremacists have "human rights"? This is why no one believes False Leftists can defeat the enemies they claim to want to defeat. The very way they talk (and indeed think) precludes them from being able to defeat anyone!
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 03, 2021, 10:29:41 pm
A False Leftist attacks Kendi using progressivism:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/not-all-anti-racist-ideas-are-good-ones-the-left-isnt-being-honest-about-this/2021/02/22/c83d4870-7179-11eb-b8a9-b9467510f0fe_story.html

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Ibram Kendi, author of the bestseller “How to Be an Antiracist,” argues for an extremely expansive concept of racism that pushes the boundaries of structural analysis to the limits.
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Kendi writes that “we degrade Black minds every time we speak of an ‘academic-achievement gap’ ” based on standardized test scores and grades. Instead, he asks: “What if the intellect of a low-testing Black child in a poor Black school is different from — and not inferior to — the intellect of a high-testing White child in a rich White school? What if we measured intelligence by how knowledgeable individuals are about their own environments?”

We certainly could do that. But the fact remains that if African American children continue to be less likely to learn to read and write and do math than White children, and less likely to graduate from high school, then this will contribute to other unequal outcomes down the road.

Yes. Such as a lower probability of inventing new machines for space travel. Which is the whole point. We want a population which will not invent new machines for space travel, or even maintain those already invented.

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Education is not a cure-all for labor market discrimination, and educational disparities don’t fully account for the Black-White earnings gap. But they partially account for that gap while also leaving people less able to organize politically, protect themselves from financial scams and otherwise navigate the modern world. Stigmatizing the use of test scores and grades to measure learning undermines policymakers’ ability to make the case for reforms to promote equity — from providing air conditioning in schools to combating racially biased low expectations among teachers.

The correct way to address the earnings gap is not to try to get the low-earning to earn more, but to put a cap on wealth.

The correct way to address lack of political organization is to end democracy.

The correct way to protect people from financial scams is to eliminate finance itself.

The correct response to the modern world is to end it.

Air conditioners should never have been invented.

But of course the author, being a progressive, is unwilling to give up on these things. Which is why progressives are part of the problem.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: rp on March 03, 2021, 11:28:21 pm
The author of the article is Matthew Yglesias (Jew), so no surprises there.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: rp on March 06, 2021, 12:07:43 pm
How standardized tests were designed by racists and eugenicists:
https://youtu.be/SwYiOrq5c8s
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 06, 2021, 09:14:09 pm
I think Kendi argued poorly in the above video. Yes, IQ tests were designed by eugenicists, so at least explain why we shouldn't want a society that practices IQ-test-score eugenics! The answer is that such a society is more likely to keep Western civilization running:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

(Also, why was he wearing Western clothes FFS?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/ )
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 15, 2021, 12:29:26 am
The worst thing is that progressives are on board with space travel also. Read the following utter idiocy:

https://goodmenproject.com/social-justice-2/black-people-white-people-and-orange-people-on-mars/

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Going to Mars can help Earth solve racism. Also, sexism. If we do it right.
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Going to Mars inspires young people to know that doing the impossible can become possible. Once, it was impossible to split atoms, walk on the moon, or understand the human genome. Now it’s in the realm of what humans can achieve. Why, on Earth then, do we limit our beliefs to think that we cannot “achieve the impossible” and cure inequality? If a very huge majority of people say no to exploitation, it can be stopped.
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The first human colonists on Mars will come from a changed Earth, one that better knows itself. We will also learn, more than ever before, that we are one species among many. We can unite with this fact, and let it seep deeply into the shared DNA of our bones.

To know for a fact, once and for all, that we are not alone in the Universe is huge. It could well change our petty opinions about in-groups and out-groups. It could inform and improve our religions, and our narrow perspectives on who “belongs.”

Anti-racists already exist, and we did not need to go to Mars to become anti-racist. So why should going to Mars be necessary to promote anti-racism? Put another way, anyone who must go to Mars as a prerequisite to become anti-racist is not really anti-racist! Of course, progressives are simply bad at thinking. (The reality is that progressives are Westerners, therefore like the idea of going to Mars for the usual Western reasons, and are just trying to rationalize in some nominal anti-racism as an afterthought.)
Title: Utopianism is Slavish!
Post by: guest5 on March 23, 2021, 05:32:29 pm
Walter Isaacson Hopes CRISPR Gene Editing Will Be Used To Create A Utopia, Not A Dystopia
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Author Walter Isaacson's newest book explores Jennifer Doudna's revolutionary work on CRISPR gene editing, which has the potential to revolutionize humanity. Isaacson's new book, "The Code Breakers: Jennifer Doudna, Gene Editing, and the Future Of The Human Race," is available now. #CRISPR​ #TheCodeBreakers​ #WalterIsaacson​
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZviX6VjaeY

All utopian ideals are rooted in hedonism and all hedonism is slavish. Furthermore, what do you think rightists would create with CRISPR technology? Are you people completely fucken insane at this point or what? What is wrong with your brains? Why can you not think clearly?

(https://www.gymventures.com/content/images/wordpress/2017/03/are-we-headed-towards-a-wall-e-reality-the-dangers-of-fat-acceptance.png)

(https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2020/01/walle-796x365.jpg)
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: Avena_sativa on May 28, 2021, 11:08:12 pm
Arson attack destroys power supply to site of Tesla Giga factory in Berlin
https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2021/may/26/far-left-activists-claim-responsibility-tesla-factory-fire-germany?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 26, 2021, 12:29:57 am
False Leftists are confused about vocabulary:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/university-warns-against-using-oppressive-171700004.html

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A Massachusetts university compiled a growing list of words and phrases it considers “oppressive” and discouraged people from using them.

The phrase “killing it,” for example, is language Brandeis University wants people to stop using.

"If someone is doing well, we don’t need to equate that to murder," Brandeis’s Prevention, Advocacy, and Resource Center wrote in a new "oppressive language list."

The list is divided into five categories: violent language, identity-based language, language that doesn’t say what we mean, culturally appropriative language, and person-first alternatives.

“Take a shot/stab at,” “trigger warning,” and “go off the reservation” are all on the “violent language” list because they “needlessly use imagery of hurting someone or something.”

Many people (e.g. rightists) deserve to be hurt. To discourage such imagery is to promote the notion that no one deserves to be hurt, which is going to ensure we lose when the fighting begins.

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People should also stop using “rule of thumb,” another phrase on the list, as the “expression allegedly comes from an old British law allowing men to beat their wives with sticks no wider than their thumb.”

OK, this one I agree with. Nice information about Western civilization too!

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The “identity-based language” list includes terms that are masculine-dominant, such as “you guys,” “policeman,” “congressman,” and "freshman.”

"You guys" is not masculine:

https://www.etymonline.com/word/guy#etymonline_v_14401

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"fellow," 1847, American English; earlier, in British English (1836) "grotesquely or poorly dressed person," originally (1806) "effigy of Guy Fawkes," leader of the Gunpowder Plot to blow up British king and Parliament (Nov. 5, 1605). The effigies were paraded through the streets by children on the anniversary of the conspiracy.

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“Ladies and gentlemen,” a phrase often used to address a crowd of mixed genders, should also not be used, as it is “within the gender binary, which doesn’t include everyone.”

I agree (in fact I was proposing this one long before mainstream academia was).

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The term “African American” should also stop being used. “Black” is listed as a “possible alternative” as “not all Black people are from Africa and/or America.”

I agree. As I keep saying, this is the only correct definition of Africa:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Roman_Empire_-_Africa_Proconsularis_%28125_AD%29.svg/578px-Roman_Empire_-_Africa_Proconsularis_%28125_AD%29.svg.png)

But "black" should eventually be phased out too, as it too is a Western concept.

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Even a more generic term such as “people of color” is considered “oppressive,” as the center said: “If you are talking about a specific racial group, name the group you are talking about.”

WRONG. These so-called "specific racial groups" are Western concepts, which is what we need to get rid of. Thus using "POC"* is better than using these group names, as it emphasizes our outgroup status only and not the Western concepts designed to divide the outgroup. On this account, the more direct "non-white" is even better than "POC".

(* Jews are not POC.)

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Similarly, “transsexual” is a word people “outside of that group should not use.” Instead, the school recommends people simply refer to them as “trans and gender non-conforming folk.”

Far too complicated. People who have had limb-lengthening surgery are not called "height non-conforming folk". Why have special terminology for gender only? (Answer: because Westerners are obsessed with sexual dimorphism.)

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The university also encourages people to stop using words such as “crazy," "insane," "wild," "lame," or "walk-in,” as in a walk-in appointment, because they are “ableist.”

Wrong again. The important thing is whom we call "crazy". Here is an example of the correct way to use the term "crazy" (also note the correct use of the term "you guys", because anyone dressed in Western dress code is grotesquely dressed):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbZHDC9oleU

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/

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The word "picnic" also made the list because it is "often associated with lynchings of Black people in the United States, during which White spectators were said to have watched while eating, referring to them as picnics or other terms involving racial slurs against Black people."

So do you want people to remember how evil "whites" are, or do you want them to forget? I want them to remember and hence buy:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/firearms/
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: Avena_sativa on June 26, 2021, 04:49:18 am
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Brandeis University

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandeis_University

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Founded in 1948 as a non-sectarian, coeducational institution sponsored by the Jewish community, Brandeis was established on the site of the former Middlesex University. The university is named after Louis Brandeis, the first Jewish Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

If this university’s anti-racism efforts were in any way sincere, its administration would have started by abolishing every one of its institutional references to Judaism and by renaming the institution itself.

More on the racist who the university is named after:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Brandeis

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Brandeis also became a prominent figure in the Zionist movement. He became active in the Federation of American Zionists in 1912, as a result of a conversation with Jacob de Haas, according to some. His involvement provided the nascent American Zionist movement one of the most distinguished men in American life and a friend of the next president. Over the next several years he devoted a great deal of his time, energy, and money to championing the cause.

Leftists should treat this university no differently than the many other institutions and monuments on American soil dedicated to racists.

Given the amount of rubbish published along with the kernels of truth, it seems that the university is deliberately trying to confuse anti-racists, which is of course consistent with the interests of every racist. Considering this intrinsic racist self-interest that must motivate the university’s decisions and its remorseless display of its rotten origins, I find it reasonable to assume that it only ever feigns adherence to any semblance social justice as some sort of preemptive measure in order to dissuade future Cancel Culture targeting.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: SirGalahad on June 26, 2021, 02:36:54 pm
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The word "picnic" also made the list because it is "often associated with lynchings of Black people in the United States, during which White spectators were said to have watched while eating, referring to them as picnics or other terms involving racial slurs against Black people."

This actually isn't true. It's just an urban legend. But I agree with some of the other stuff
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: rp on July 12, 2021, 10:31:55 pm
https://twitter.com/petersavodnik/status/1414709032263192582?s=19
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It's odd that people who say they believe in progress hate space travel.

It is very odd indeed. The answer is that they are not progressives, but True Leftists in the making.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 18, 2021, 10:37:19 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xa12sv7AUg

As usual, TYT (who proudly and accurately call themselves progressives) reveal their False Leftism.

Firstly, it's not "humanity" who did this, it was Westerners. Everything they describe is a consequence of Western civilization exclusively.

Secondly, long before "the scientists" predicted it, it was already utterly in-your-face obvious to anyone not Westernized. History looking back at our era should be praising all the non-Western civilizations (which would never have created these problems in the first place) long before praising Western scientists who at most had the meagre ability to see what they had done after already doing it (was it not also Western scientists who enabled the Industrial Revolution in the first place?).

Thirdly, the solution is not more advanced machines! TYT correctly identifies the (exclusively Western) belief in the desirability of infinite growth as the source of the problems we currently face, but by proposing more machines as the solution are practicing the exact same (exclusively Western) belief - only transferred to technology rather than economy: the problems created by today's machines can be solved with tomorrow's more advanced machines. False Leftists just are incapable of accepting that the problems created by Western civilization can never be solved by appeal to a different facet of Western civilization, but only by radical rejection of Western civilization in its entirety.

Laslty, success is not defined by achieving sustainability! If you bother to just think about it for a moment, sustainability itself is nothing but yet another type of infinite growth, but merely along the time axis FFS! TYT is so intellectually Western they don't even realize how Western they are.....
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: guest55 on July 19, 2021, 12:06:27 pm
This is the top comment to the video posted above which I found to be an interesting point:

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LightFangX
13 hours ago
*slow claps*
Well done humanity. Instead of putting the smartest people in charge you put the most greedy people in charge.

Firstly, "smartness" does not necessarily equate a person being devoid of "greed". A smart person can still be very greedy. Secondly, who was it that voted these greedy people into office time and time again in Western governments? That's right, the majority under a democracy did! What does that say about the majority of people in any given Western country? What does that say about democracy over-all? Is it possible that greedy people love democracy because they know the majority of people will vote them in to office time and time again?
Title: Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
Post by: guest55 on August 09, 2021, 07:34:01 pm
Worth a listen at the least:

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4 False Beliefs that Society is Built On - Dr. Bruce Lipton
Dr. Bruce Lipton, PhD is an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. Stem cell biologist, bestselling author of The Biology of Belief and recipient of the 2009 Goi Peace Award, he has been a guest speaker on hundreds of TV and radio shows, as well as keynote presenter for national and international conferences.

In 1982, Dr. Lipton began examining the principles of quantum physics and how they might be integrated into his understanding of the cell’s information processing systems. He produced breakthrough studies on the cell membrane, which revealed that this outer layer of the cell was an organic homologue of a computer chip, the cell’s equivalent of a brain. His research at Stanford University’s School of Medicine, between 1987 and 1992, revealed that the environment, operating though the membrane, controlled the behavior and physiology of the cell, turning genes on and off. His discoveries, which ran counter to the established scientific view that life is controlled by the genes, presaged one of today’s most important fields of study, the science of epigenetics. Two major scientific publications derived from these studies defined the molecular pathways connecting the mind and body. Many subsequent papers by other researchers have since validated his concepts and ideas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5w3EjikdA

From our perspective:

1. Universalism is greater than Materialism. Materialism leads to competition instead of unity.
2. Genetics are half the story, blood-memory is the other half of the story.
3. Evolution is based upon selective pressure, blood-memory effects evolution.
4. Competition in evolution is what leads to materialism and anthropocentricism, both of which are evil and dangerous.

See also:  https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/truth-knowledge/
                 https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/consciousness-cannot-have-evolved/
                 https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
                 https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/
                 https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/
                 https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

Blood-Memory:
(https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/86402-C-G-Jung-Quote-Who-has-fully-realized-that-history-is-not.jpg)

(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-we-are-linked-by-blood-and-blood-is-memory-without-language-joyce-carol-oates-21-84-87.jpg)

To truly understand what's going on inside of you in an honest attempt to Know Thyself you're going to have to get past your ego, which can be very difficult for most, especially Westerners!

Hint: Anthropocentricism = Ego!

(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-the-ego-tends-to-equate-having-with-being-i-have-therefore-i-am-and-the-more-i-have-eckhart-tolle-85-87-64.jpg)

To be a good Westerner you will need: more money, more power, more knowledge, more control, more understanding, more technology, more culture, more muscle, more friends, more houses, more cars, more jewellery, more decorations, more fans, more support, more love, more acceptance, more fame, more education, more, more, and more, etc.... Until one day you have SO MUCH material item's in your possession you finally feel fulfilled, right? THAT is the Western way in a nutshell!

(https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/1800223-Eckhart-Tolle-Quote-The-ego-wants-to-want-more-than-it-wants-to.jpg)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.picturequotes.com%2F2%2F501%2F500564%2Fawareness-and-ego-cannot-coexist-quote-1.jpg&hash=187c804a7320236a3d4d9289aaf477ce93d7f025)
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 19, 2021, 04:23:00 am
While I am grateful to False Leftists at least trying to make the case that Afghan refugees should be accepted by NATO countries, it is at the same time frustrating to observe that they cannot seem to do so without portraying the Taliban negatively. There is nothing stopping from simply arguing that some people like the Taliban and other people dislike it, therefore those who dislike it should not have to pay taxes to it. Instead they are talking like the Taliban is some kind of supervillain group.

Worse, I have even seen some False Leftists call the Taliban "far-right". WTF? Rightism = defence of Western civilization. Since when has the Taliban been promoters of Western classical music FFS?! What the False Leftists really mean, of course, is that the Taliban is not progressive. In their minds, leftism = progressivism and rightism = anything else.

Actually, leftism = attack on Western civilization. And progressivism itself is a Western idea. You cannot truly attack Western civilization without also attacking progressivism. This is why progressives are False Leftists: they merely attack some parts of Western civilization (e.g. "white" supremacism) using other parts (e.g. human "rights") which end up being defended). The Taliban are not ideologically polished by our standards, but at least when they attack a given aspect Western civilization, they don't use a different aspect of Western civilization to do so.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: SirGalahad on August 19, 2021, 02:10:19 pm
The reason why they don't like the Taliban is because of how they treat women and gay people, which is understandable. The Taliban are more "traditional" than most American right wingers, so it makes sense to dislike the Taliban if you don't like right wingers to begin with. The Taliban aren't racist, but they still fall into the other trappings that make it hard to defend them against the West
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: guest55 on August 19, 2021, 05:17:56 pm
Islam itself is traditionalist lest we forget. Let's also not forget comparisons such as these:
(https://yt3.ggpht.com/TwTeoC7DO91dlIaNqjCOPF5yejd61hl9C5YFmPw9v4iIwO3qV4E20mUX_w7nHkj_20Wp_CSWczV-=s640-nd)
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 19, 2021, 10:05:27 pm
"The Taliban are more "traditional" than most American right wingers, so it makes sense to dislike the Taliban if you don't like right wingers to begin with."

The difference is that the tradition of right-wingers occupying the US (please do not call them "Americans"):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/

is Western tradition, whereas the tradition of the Taliban is a non-Western tradition. So the only people for whom it makes sense to dislike the Taliban for the same reason that they dislike right-wingers are progressives. Hence the need to more clearly distinguish between progressives and anti-Westerners. For one thing, it is only Western tradition which leads to:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

The problem is that progressives support this ****!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/msg4831/#msg4831

(This is not to say that we cannot criticize the Taliban (or other non-Western traditions), but our criticism should be from a non-progressive stance: we should first agree that we should to look to the past for inspiration (thereby already setting ourselves apart from False Leftists who accuse the Taliban of "backwardness" etc.), but then accuse them of misinterpreting what the past was like, and offering a better interpretation.)

"make it hard to defend them against the West"

I was recently demonstrating how to do so:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg7599/#msg7599

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(Rightists who claim that Islam etc. also requires women to dress differently than men completely miss the point, which is that Islamic dress codes try to reduce women's visible sexual dimorphism as opposed to Western dress codes which try to increase women's visible sexual dimorphism. It is incredible that I even need to explain this.....)

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg7717/#msg7717

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"those dress codes reduce the visual sexual dimorphism of women without simultaneously reducing the visual sexual dimorphism of men to the same degree."

This is a valid criticism and one which I have raised myself in the past. Why should women do more work than men in dressing up? They should not. But the point here is that Western dress also requires women to do more work than men in dressing up, yet this extra work is done by women in order to increase their visible sexual dimorphism! Thus both Western and Islamic dress codes (sadly) require women to do more work, but for opposite objectives, and comparing only the objectives allows us to conclude that Islamic dress code is at least trying to aim in a good direction (albeit with much room for improvement).

Basically, Westerners are more voyeuristic. (Especially the French.)
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 05, 2021, 11:33:05 pm
Rightists continue to fail at understanding the difference between progressivism and wokeness:

https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2021/10/residential-schools-were-woke-idea.html

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The current debate over Canadian residential schools for native children has avoided analyzing the real reason why they were started in 1876 and lasted until 1947.

That’s because the idea was shaped by the woke belief nurture (Western schooling) would overcome nature (Native biology). Our Victorian ancestors thought if you took the natives out of their remote communities and taught them how to read and write it would lift up those communities, and the entire native culture, to Western standards.

This is progressivism, not wokeness. Progressivism is pro-Western. Wokeness is anti-Western. The intention to create more Westerners from prior non-Westerners via compulsory schooling is a pro-Western intention.

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At the time, native kids had no running water, no toilet facilities, no clean clothes, no education and little or no hope for a better future.

Because to our enemies, this is not running water:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Longest_Rivers_of_Canada.png)

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The guilt for all this rests squarely on the shoulders of 19th Century progressives, the woke of their day. For woke leftists today to blame the churches for failures to administer their own ideas, is irony at its finest. This was a progressive failure from start to finish.

Progressives were not the woke of the 19th century. The woke of the 19th century were the Romantics, who were both anti-progressive and anti-colonialist:

https://eprints.utas.edu.au/10817/2/WHOLE_-kUNDA.pdf

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It is not commonly remarked that over a span of more than forty years the Surrealists published anti-colonial tracts and staunch criticism of the West, but it is routinely observed that in their collections, exhibitions and artwork they included objects and referred to the cosmologies of non-Western cultures.
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In her reading of the Manifesto, Taoua imputes the presence of Rousseau’s noble savage, an idea, she says, that ‘undergirds Breton’s social criticism, which values the native instincts in human beings which are ostensibly corrupted by education and the alienating experience of acculturation into the French middle class.’74
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‘In contrast to these discourses that explicitly or implicitly upheld the superiority of European society,’ she writes, ‘the Surrealists glorified non-Western cultures through emphasising the potential of the non-rational to ‘liberate’ repressive European society.88

https://read.dukeupress.edu/books/book/915/chapter-abstract/144641/Romanticism-and-the-Longing-for-Anticolonial

(Note that while we prefer these lines of thought to those of progressivism, we do not entirely endorse their lines of argument either.)
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 23, 2021, 10:17:38 pm
This is what False Leftists care about:

https://www.nola.com/news/article_f0e99ed4-336d-11ec-b9f7-7f40a1cf5396.html

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New Orleans-built rocket set for test to send first woman and person of color to moon

In contrast, True Leftists want to eradicate the very idea of space travel, which would not have existed in the first place in absence of Western civilization. Some ignorant False Leftists claim that desire for space travel is a general "human" desire in reaction to possessing the machines that enable it, and thus is not exclusively Western; this can be disproven by showing that Westerners desired space travel long before they were able to build the machines needed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_travel_in_science_fiction

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Early works of science fiction, called "proto SF", such as novels by 17th century writers Francis Godwin and Cyrano de Bergerac, or astronomer Johannes Kepler, include "lunar romances", where much of the action takes place on the Moon.[4]
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From the late 19th and early 20th centuries onward there was a visible distinction between more "realistic" and scientific fiction (which later would evolve into hard sf[8]), whose writers, often scientists like Konstantin Tsiolkovsky and Max Valier, focused on the more plausible concept of interplanetary travel (to the Moon or Mars), whereas the more grandiose but less grounded in realism were the stories of "escape from Earth into a Universe filled with worlds", which gave rise the genre of space opera, pioneered by E. E. Smith
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On the screen the French movie 1902 A Trip to the Moon, by Georges Méliès, also described as the first science fiction film, linked special effects to the depictions of spaceflight.[5]: 744 [10] Together with other early movies such as Woman in the Moon (1929), Thing to Come (1936) they contributed to the early recognition of the concept of the rocket as the iconic and primary means of space travel, decades before the space program begun in earnest.[5]: 744  Later milestones in film and television include the Star Trek series and movies, and the 2001: A Space Odyssey film by Stanley Kubrick (1968), which visually advanced the concept of space travel, allowing it to evolve away from the simplistic rocket towards that of a more complex space ship.[5]: 744 

False Leftists are nothing but Westerners who want to give "whites" less credit for Western civilization, and who thus want to reframe Western ideas as general "human progress" that they delusionally claim would have happened sooner or later anyway (with or without Western civilization).

True Leftists have no problem with giving all due credit to "whites" (including Jews) for Western civilization because this only strengthens our case against them!
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 02, 2021, 09:06:06 pm
In response to global warming, we already know that the most guaranteed effective countermeasures are drastic population reduction and de-industrialization. But instead of pursuing these objectives, Westerners have been trying to solve the problem by introducing yet more machines, whether they be electric cars, nuclear fusion reactors, or anything else tries to let us maintain the industrial lifestyle while averting the consequences, and also averting any need to consider that our own desires are the problem. Here is the latest and perhaps most obvious example yet of the Western approach to problem-solving:

https://futurism.com/the-byte/amazon-geoengineering-research

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A billionaire researching plans to dim the Sun might seem like the plot of a famous “The Simpsons” episode — but that’s exactly what Jeff Bezos seems to be doing.

Bezos’ megaretailer Amazon has partnered with the National Center for Atmospheric Research and the geoengineering nonprofit SilverLining to help create models that show what exactly would happen if we blocked out some of the Sun’s rays, Gizmodo reports.

More specifically, the company is donating its powerful computer processors to help model 30 different simulations of Earth’s future climate. In one of those simulated worlds, humans have artificially injected aerosols into the atmosphere to dim sunlight — drastically cooling down the planet in the process.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: guest55 on December 02, 2021, 10:29:32 pm
Jeff: Oh snap that flame-thrower in the living room was a bad idea Elon, the house is on fire!!!
Elon: Should I turn it off Jeff!?
Jeff: Nah! Just turn off the lights and open the freezer door we'll be good!

:D
Title: Re: Climate, Weather, and Climate Effects, 2020 and Beyond
Post by: Zea_mays on December 16, 2021, 08:01:34 pm
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But lately I cannot help but wonder how did these people get to be this specifically stupid!? I mean, most of them aren't even living in reality at this point!?

Savitri Devi wrote something about how literate/educated societies are counterintuitively more receptive to mass propaganda, since, in their hubris, they believe they are too smart to be affected by it.

False Leftists just need to see an infographic or random news article quote from an "expert" they've never heard of, and boom, they have been just as easily herded as any rightist. No need for fact checking or rational thinking. They commit all the irrational follies they observe rightists committing; they just place their trust in different sources.

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Also, here's what I was mentioning before:

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Long-time nuclear waste warning messages are intended to deter human intrusion at nuclear waste repositories in the far future, within or above the order of magnitude of 10,000 years. Nuclear semiotics is an interdisciplinary field of research, first done by the Human Interference Task Force in 1981.

A 1993 report from Sandia National Laboratories recommended that such messages be constructed at several levels of complexity. They suggested that the sites should include foreboding physical features which would immediately convey to future visitors that the site was both man-made and dangerous, as well as providing pictographic information attempting to convey some details of the danger, and written explanations for those able to read it.
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The Waste Isolation Pilot Plant has done extensive research in development of written or pictorial messages to warn future generations. Since today's written languages are unlikely to survive,[2] the research team has considered pictograms and hostile architecture in addition to them.[1] Texts were proposed to be translated to every UN written language. In 1994, Level II, III, and IV messages in English were translated into French, Spanish, Chinese, Arabic, Russian, and Navajo, with plans to continue testing and revision of the original English text and subsequent eventual translation into further languages.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-time_nuclear_waste_warning_messages

We don't need that for carbon dioxide because trees literally use carbon dioxide as food--using it to grow their wood and make sugar/starch (which nearly all life forms use as food)... We don't even need that for other potent greenhouse gases like methane either.


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Yeah that's actually a major issue with nuclear waste.

And my (and many others) biggest issue with nuclear power. We haven't actually solved the waste issue. Our best idea is bury it, hope it doesn't leak, and hope the civilization 1000-10,000 years from now doesn't stumble on it unawares. That last problem illustrates just how unsolved these issues are. As we don't actually have a means of conveying danger reliably to a future society. All the proposed solutions, have major flaws. Case in point: Illustrations won't work because a skull and crossbones might mean death to us, but could be a symbol of their god, or a comic strip style showing someone getting sick and dying could easily be read backwards and inadvertently show someone becoming healthy.

And that's just the holes in our plan for what we should do to protect people 10,000 years from now. Our plans for protecting people today are just as flawed. Especially since we already have so much nuclear waste permanently stored in temporary storage facilities that every square inch of future storage facilities is already spoken for 2x over. Because only a handful of places on the globe have the conditions to store it long term. And even then many of those risk leaks into ground water etc.

Oh yeah, and there's the glaring issue that we don't actually know with certainty that whatever structures we build to store it will even be able to survive the millenia until the radioactivity has gone down to safe levels. And with them shoved 200ft below the surface it would be years before we even knew something was wrong, at which point it would be too late.

One barrel per year per reactor is extremely small. We could store all of it for safely thousands of years in a single facility (like the one in Nevada).

It's a political issue - not an engineering or environmental issue.

In a couple hundred years, we'll likely have the technology to recycle it anyway.

The problem with the facility in Nevada is that the groundwater is percolating through the fractures in the tuff much, much faster that modeled. They’re seeing isotopes from the nuclear testing in the 40s and 50s in the groundwater adjacent to the facility, which the groundwater is connected to flows that exit the area to the southeast, that are populated. That, and due to the plutonium having close to a 2 million year half-life, the EPA wants a stable facility capable of being nonpollutive for 1 million years. The failed rift zone by the Baja has the potential also to reactivate the currently inactive/extinct volcanoes in the area as well. There are definitely some scientific and environmental concerns.
https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/rcktxo/til_the_us_strategic_petroleum_reserves_are/hnw341x/

Western governments can't even do basic things like shelter homeless people (despite more than enough vacant housing to house all of them), etc. Hell, they can't even plan beyond a single election cycle for massive, unignorable problems (e.g. global warming, overpopulation)! Why would anyone think they are competent enough to STORE DEADLY WASTE FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS? (Especially given all of the hundreds of nuclear accidents that have happened so far?) Assuming the quotation above is accurate, the "simple" and "fool-proof" Western plans to contain nuclear waste have already failed and polluted the groundwater...

People criticized Trump for his "magical thinking" of believing he could just will things into existence. That's literally what "progressives" are doing when they take for granted that "although we are doomed with current rates of pollution and resource use, _surely_ people in the future will invent something to fix all this, so don't worry!"

Insanity.


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A cornucopian is a futurist who believes that continued progress and provision of material items for mankind can be met by similarly continued advances in technology. Fundamentally they believe that there are enough matter and energy on the Earth to provide for the population of the world.

Looking further into the future, they posit that the abundance of matter and energy in space would appear to give humanity almost unlimited room for growth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornucopian

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According to Malthusian theory, the size and growth of the population depend on the food supply and agricultural methods. In Boserup's theory, agricultural methods depend on the size of the population. In the Malthusian view, when food is not sufficient for everyone, the excess population will die. However, Boserup argued that in those times of pressure, people will find ways to increase the production of food by increasing workforce, machinery, fertilizers, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester_Boserup#Scholarly_contributions

Thinking future generations can just magic their way out of a problem so we don't have to deal with it today is just insanity. Even in (authentically) conservative societies they understand that they have a responsibility to ensure future generations are not overburdened by problems created during our lifetimes, because the conservative fears this will eventually disrupt the continuity of their traditions.

But False Left "progressives"... Unless I'm just being uncharitable here, it seems they care even less about the welfare of future generations than (authentic) conservatives.
Title: Why We Should NOT Look For Aliens - The Dark Forest
Post by: guest55 on December 19, 2021, 11:47:51 pm
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What if they are like him!?

Why We Should NOT Look For Aliens - The Dark Forest
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The Universe is incredibly big and seems full of potential for life, with billions of habitable planets. If an advanced civilization had the technology to travel between the stars, at just 0.1% of the speed of light, It could colonize our galaxy in roughly 100 million years. Which is not that long given the billions of years the milky way has existed – so in principle any spacefaring civilization should be able to spread rapidly over huge sectors of the galaxy. And yet we see nothing, hear nothing, the universe seems empty. Devoid of others. This is the Fermi Paradox, which we have discussed in more detail in other videos.

Confronted with the seemingly empty universe, humanity faces a dilemma. We desperately want to know if we are alone in the Milky Way. We want to call out and reveal ourselves to anyone watching but that could be the last thing we ever do. Because maybe the universe is not empty. Maybe it’s full of civilizations but they are hiding from each other. Maybe the civilizations that attracted attention in the past were wiped away by invisible arrows. This is the Dark Forest solution to the Fermi paradox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAUJYP8tnRE
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 16, 2022, 11:11:50 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL9z4n7PIBk
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 24, 2022, 11:57:49 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/news/decision-invade-ukraine-raises-questions-185646957.html

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Vladimir Ashurkov, a close aide of Alexei Navalny, Putin’s most prominent opponent who is now in a penal colony, described Monday’s rambling speech by the Russian president about Ukraine as “really bizarre”.

“It’s unprecedented in the rhetoric of world leaders, but also for Russia. It’s quite strange,” said Ashurkov, who is executive director of Navalny Anti-Corruption Foundation, and lives in exile.

“Why would you spend so much time, you know, looking back into the past, when we now live in the 21st century? We should be looking into the future.
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“I think he’s in some sort of self-induced concept of reality that is very revanchist, based in the past, and in the trauma of the dissolution of Soviet Union,”
he said.

Well, Putin is connecting himself to the past, and he is also currently running circles around the False Left politicians who are not. So instead of complaining about Putin's connection to the past, we should be replacing False Left politicians with True Left politicians who understand that a rightist connected to the past can only be defeated by a leftist connected to the past.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 25, 2022, 09:27:36 pm
The worst of False Leftism:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no-black-and-asian-people-do-not-resent-e2-80-98western-achievements-e2-80-99-we-made-them-possible/ar-AAWwIZx

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No, Black and Asian people do not resent ‘Western achievements.’ We made them possible.

Those who do resent Western achievements, such as ourselves, would never call ourselves "black" or "Asian" (Western terms) in the first place.

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Why would we resent something that we have contributed significantly to?

Because we we were forced to contribute to it?

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Historically, the U.S. has relied heavily on the labor of people of color and immigrants for its economy. Enslaved Black people were responsible for the growth of America’s economy in the 19th century. Slavery has been called the economic engine of the South, which at one point was the source of the majority of cotton used in Britain, France and Russia. By the start of the Civil War, the South was profiting handsomely from the labor of enslaved Black people.

Are you arguing that we should not resent slavery just because slavery ended up contributing to the economy of a civilization that added a lot of machines to the world?

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Around the same time as the war, in the early to mid-1860s, the Central Pacific Railroad was recruiting Chinese laborers to work on the country’s first transcontinental railroad after an insufficient number of white workers responded to its ads. Doing extremely dangerous and exhausting work while being paid less than their white counterparts, these estimated 15,000 to 20,000 Chinese migrants were essential to what has been described as “one of the most ambitious American engineering enterprises at the time” — despite the lack of recognition they receive even to this day.

Are you arguing that we should not resent being unfairly paid for dangerous work, again just because this ended up contributing to the economy of a civilization that added a lot of machines to the world? (What happened to rail travel in the US, by the way? It was soon sidelined by newer modes of transport such as cars and planes. This is how Western civilization ultimately repaid the railroad labourers. Should we not resent this?)

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The man behind Zoom, the video conferencing platform that most of us have depended on to work from home during the pandemic, is Eric Yuan, an Asian man who immigrated to the U.S. from China in 1997. Baiju Bhatt, an Indian American entrepreneur, is one of the co-founders and the chief creative officer of Robinhood, the commission-free trading app that has made investing in and trading stocks and other financial assets more accessible to the masses and has been valued at $32 billion. As its name suggests, Beats by Dr. Dre, which Apple acquired in 2014 for a record $3 billion and is one of the most recognizable headphone brands on the market, was created by Dr. Dre — a Black American rapper, producer and entrepreneur from Compton, California — with business partner Jimmy Iovine.

Many more such examples exist of both Asian Americans — who “drive Silicon Valley innovation,” according to a 2016 Nikkei Asia article — and Black Americans, who have succeeded despite the lack of support from Silicon Valley investors.

These particular individuals probably do not resent Western civilization, but only because they have personally profited from it. Are you arguing, therefore, that personal profit should be considered more important than ethical principles?

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In this day and age, when the global community is so interconnected and constantly collaborating, the term “Western achievements” feels outdated. The East-West divide that Wax’s rhetoric perpetuates is unnecessary and dangerous, as it could enforce stereotypes about differences that are not accurate and fan the flames of xenophobia.

No, I welcome Wax's use of the term "Western achievements". I only disagree with Wax in that I would prefer Western achievements to never have occurred. Both Wax and I would argue that if the same individuals behind Zoom, Robinhood, etc. had been born in an alternate world in which Western civilization had never existed, they would not have come up with Zoom, Robinhood, etc.. The difference is that I would prefer the alternate world to have been our reality. In practice, this means I want to destroy Western civilization so that the rest of us can return to a lifestyle more like what we had before the colonial era.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 12, 2022, 08:54:52 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/modern-world-cant-exist-without-100035723.html

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The Modern World Can't Exist Without These Four Ingredients. They All Require Fossil Fuels

The modern world was never meant to exist.

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Modern societies would be impossible without mass-scale production of many man-made materials. We could have an affluent civilization that provides plenty of food, material comforts, and access to good education and health care without any microchips or personal computers: we had one until the 1970s, and we managed, until the 1990s, to expand economies, build requisite infrastructures and connect the world by jetliners without any smartphones and social media. But we could not enjoy our quality of life without the provision of many materials required to embody the myriad of our inventions.

Before we get into the main discussion, compulsory schooling is not "good education". And jetliners should never have existed either.

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Four materials rank highest on the scale of necessity, forming what I have called the four pillars of modern civilization: cement, steel, plastics, and ammonia are needed in larger quantities than are other essential inputs. The world now produces annually about 4.5 billion tons of cement, 1.8 billion tons of steel, nearly 400 million tons of plastics, and 180 million tons of ammonia. But it is ammonia that deserves the top position as our most important material: its synthesis is the basis of all nitrogen fertilizers, and without their applications it would be impossible to feed, at current levels, nearly half of today’s nearly 8 billion people.

The planet should never have been populated by anywhere near 4 billion (let alone 8 billion) humans. Ammonia is the culprit!

Guess which civilization introduced ammonia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia

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Gaseous ammonia was first isolated by Joseph Black in 1756 by reacting sal ammoniac (ammonium chloride) with calcined magnesia (magnesium oxide).[49][50] It was isolated again by Peter Woulfe in 1767,[51][52] by Carl Wilhelm Scheele in 1770[53] and by Joseph Priestley in 1773 and was termed by him "alkaline air".[20][54] Eleven years later in 1785, Claude Louis Berthollet ascertained its composition.[55][20]
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Ammonia even at dilute concentrations is highly toxic to aquatic animals, and for this reason it is classified as dangerous for the environment.

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This dependence easily justifies calling ammonia synthesis the most momentous technical advance in history: other inventions provide our comforts, convenience or wealth or prolong our lives—but without the synthesis of ammonia, we could not ensure the very survival of billions of people alive today and yet to be born.

Of course we can. Just stop using crops to raise meat/egg/milk/etc. animals and the surplus will more than offset the loss from not using ammonia.

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Plastics are a large group of synthetic organic materials whose common quality is that they can be molded into desired shapes—and they are now everywhere. As I type this, the keys of my Dell laptop and a wireless mouse under my right palm are made of acrylonitrile butadiene styrene, I sit on a swivel chair upholstered in a polyester fabric, and its nylon wheels rest on a polycarbonate carpet protection mat that covers a polyester carpet. But plastics are now most indispensable in health care in general and in hospitals in particular. Life now begins (in maternity wards) and ends (in intensive care units) surrounded by plastic items made above all from different kinds of PVC: flexible tubes (for feeding patients, delivering oxygen, and monitoring blood pressure), catheters, intravenous containers, blood bags, sterile packaging, trays and basins, bedpans and bed rails, thermal blankets.

Not to mention:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg12279/#msg12279

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg12544/#msg12544

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Steel’s strength, durability, and versatility determines the look of modern civilization and enables its most fundamental functions. This is the most widely used metal and it forms countless visible and invisible critical components of modern civilization, from skyscrapers to scalpels. Moreover, nearly all other metallic and non-metallic products we use have been extracted, processed, shaped, finished, and distributed with tools and machines made of steel, and no mode of today’s mass transportation could function without steel. The average car contains about 900 kilograms of steel and before Covid-19 struck the world was making nearly 100 million vehicles a year.

Cars should never have existed either.

As for skyscrapers:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg39/#msg39

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    According to FLAP, between one and nine million birds die each year in the city from hitting skyscrapers due to mistaking reflective windows for open sky, or being drawn to lights at night.[1]

    According to a 2014 article in the ornithological journal Condor, an estimated 365 million to 988 million birds die each year by colliding into buildings in the United States.[2]

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Cement is, of course, the key component of concrete: combined with sand, gravel and water it makes the most massively deployed material. Modern cities are embodiments of concrete, as are bridges, tunnels, roads, dams, runways and ports.

We do not need to build any more. We should be gradually abandoning more and more buildings along with reducing population.

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And these four materials, so unlike in their properties and qualities, share three common traits: they are not readily replaceable by other materials (certainly not in the near future or on a global scale); we will need much more of them in the future; and their mass-scale production depends heavily on the combustion of fossil fuels, making them major sources of greenhouse gas emissions. Organic fertilizers cannot replace synthetic ammonia: their low nitrogen content and their worldwide mass are not enough even if all manures and crop residues were recycled. No other materials offer such advantages for many lightweight yet durable uses as plastics. No other metal is as affordably strong as steel. No other mass-produced material is as suitable for building strong infrastructure as concrete (often reinforced with steel).

The correct answer is to reduce population and thus reduce demand.

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Moreover, the unfolding transition to renewable energies will demand huge amounts of steel, concrete and plastics. No structures are more obvious symbols of “green” electricity generation than large wind turbines—but their foundations are reinforced concrete, their towers, nacelles, and rotors are steel, and their massive blades are energy-intensive—and difficult to recycle—plastic resins, and all of these giant parts must be brought to the installation sites by outsized trucks (or ships) and erected by large steel cranes, and turbine gearboxes must be repeatedly lubricated with oil. These turbines would generate truly green electricity only if all of these materials were made without any fossil fuels.

With a reduced population, fewer additional turbines will need to be built. Heck, reduce population enough and existing turbines might already be enough!

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And beyond these four material pillars new and highly energy-intensive material dependencies are emerging and electric cars are their best example A typical lithium car battery weighing about 450 kilograms contains about 11 kilograms of lithium, nearly 14 kilograms of cobalt, 27 kilograms of nickel, more than 40 kilograms of copper, and 50 kilograms of graphite—as well as about 181 kilograms of steel, aluminum, and plastics. Supplying these materials for a single vehicle requires processing about 40 tons of ores, and given the low concentration of many elements in their ores it necessitates extracting and processing about 225 tons of raw materials. And aggressive electrification of road transport would soon require multiplying these needs by tens of millions of units per year!

Lower population means fewer people needing transportation. This is the only correct answer.

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Modern economies will always be tied to massive material flows, whether those of ammonia-based fertilizers to feed the still-growing global population; plastics, steel, and cement needed for new tools, machines, structures, and infrastructures; or new inputs required to produce solar cells, wind turbines, electric cars, and storage batteries. And until all energies used to extract and process these materials come from renewable conversions, modern civilization will remain fundamentally dependent on the fossil fuels used in the production of these indispensable materials. No artificial intelligence designs, no apps, no claims of coming “dematerialization” will change that.

Prohibiting most people from reproducing is all that is needed to change it.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: Zea_mays on May 14, 2022, 01:42:35 pm
"Progressivism" will always be an inferior mindset for leftists, because it prevents leftists from tapping into attitudes and experiences like this:
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I hadn’t really considered the effect of consumerism until my late 30s, which is roughly when I joined the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA). Being in a medieval reenacting setting meant that I was given the opportunity to value the food I ate, tools I worked with, things I wore, because I was making my own tools/textiles/clothing/jewellery, etc.

It only took me a couple of months to start seeing everything around me through the lens of a craftsperson. I was appreciating the effort behind handcrafts more, and started shunning “disposable” items because there was an enormous portion of my life that those things wouldn’t fit into. And once you’ve made your own stuff, or bought it off another craftsperson, there’s a deeper connection to that item than I’d ever experienced before. I will prefer to use the things I have made sustainably to any plastic item.

Did anyone else have some type of event that triggered their shift to anti-consumption? If so, what was it?
https://old.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/uauh6c/reenacting_helped_me_reduce_my_consumption/

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I definitely got that feeling from learning how to sew, with a focus on sewing historically inspired clothing. Really opened my eyes to how most modern clothing is trash from its very conception. Terrible fabrics, terrible tailoring, and terrible workmanship. I now lean towards thrifted clothes as at least they survived a few washes and there is more variety. Plus I tend towards tighter woven natural fabrics so any repairs I do will last.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/uauh6c/reenacting_helped_me_reduce_my_consumption/i600czi/

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To me, anticonsumption is not just about deciding not to buy things. It's about learning to relate to the physical world differently. You don't have to be a subsistence farmer, but learning skills like how to repair your own clothes or fix your appliances can go a long way.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/uauh6c/reenacting_helped_me_reduce_my_consumption/i6063wt/

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I've had a very similar experience. I haven't started re-enacting, yet. However, getting into the re-enacting scene; learning to make, grow, and reuse items myself; and learning how expensive and inaccessible even a fraction of our level of consumption and waste would have been to people just a hundred years ago is shocking. I have a much deeper respect for the objects I use and what I have access to, but I also respect the ingenuity of the people who came before us. I can't imagine going back to living life the way I used to. It just feels so wasteful.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/uauh6c/reenacting_helped_me_reduce_my_consumption/i614jui/
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 29, 2022, 11:53:19 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvB0OoCMXcY

I side with Kasparian this time. Just walk FFS.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 21, 2022, 09:02:57 pm
Vigeland explicitly repudiates one of the pillars of progressivism (from 5:00):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G9DvwaFzKQ

Good, she now understands that fighting is the only way to positive change. Rightists cannot be educated, persuaded or even reasoned with to agree with us, EVER:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/superiority-cannot-be-taught/

We only get concessions from them when we fight them and defeat them, and even then they will only regroup and fight us again to recover their losses. The next question I would ask her is: is fighting rightists over and over again just to hold our gains (or regain them after losing them) how we want to spend the rest of time? If not, then logically the way we should fight rightists is not just to defeat them, but to exterminate them. Not only is fighting our enemies the only way to positive change, but exterminating our enemies is the only way to lasting positive change.

Let's see if she can reach this next stage of conversion to True Leftism.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: rp on June 22, 2022, 01:11:41 am
False Leftist "counterculture" Boomer wants income equality because it bolsters progressivism:
(https://i.redd.it/4a5dcecsb3791.jpg)

Compulsory schooling is child abuse.
Highways shouldn't exist because cars shouldn't even exist.
Cutting the poverty rate led to degenerate Westerners consuming more resources than they previously needed and thus more waste (not to mention population growth).
Technology is not always good, especially when machinists are the ones creating it.
Space travel is a nightmare that we are trying to avoid at all costs.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 22, 2022, 01:35:45 am
"False Leftist "counterculture" Boomer"

Does Tiedrich self-identify as belonging to the Counterculture? If so, we should call him out publicly on it.

In any case, you left out the most important part:

https://www.newsunzip.com/wiki/jeff-tiedrich/

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Title: Ideal Environment today
Post by: guest30 on June 24, 2022, 08:02:43 am
@90sRetroFan

If we use Hitler's ideal environment. Then we will see the Afghanistan and all of nations on "Afrika" as the example today. Not the West which oftenly promoted by so-called "the civilized progressives." Hitler not want industrialism activity, only an community of nations full of renewable resources, no more buildings, no morefactories, only environment with meadow, plants, and natural scenery.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 22, 2022, 05:13:12 pm
More progressive foolishness:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62581401

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First Native American woman to travel to space
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Astronaut Nicole Aunapu Mann, of the Wailacki of the Round Valley Indian Tribes, will be mission commander - responsible for all phases of flight.
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"I think it's important that we communicate this to our community, so that other Native kids... realise that some of those barriers that used to be there are really starting to get broken down," she added.

Why would anyone nostalgic for pre-colonial America even want to travel to space? Space travel is something brought to America by the Western occupiers FFS! Why are you adopting their values?

Here is a post to remind of of your history:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/how-did-the-english-colonize-america/msg15273/#msg15273

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Ms Mann says that in her allocated 3.3 lb (1.4kg) for personal items she will take "a dreamcatcher that my mother gave me when I was very young".

Spare us the pathetic prop signalling. If you were truly American you would have turned down the offer to travel to space in the first place, because the very idea of space travel never occurred in pre-colonial America. This is what you should be proud of.

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She has been deployed twice on aircraft carriers supporting combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan

As if we needed more evidence that you are a Westerner, not an American.

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In 2002, John Herrington, an enrolled member of the Chickasaw Nation, was the first Native American man to fly into space. He carried the Nation's flag and a traditional flute on his 13-day voyage.

This whole "let's ostentatiously do uniquely Western activities while carrying pre-colonial trinkets" is as cringeworthy as any behaviour gets.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: rp on September 05, 2022, 10:02:50 am
Judeo-leftists criticize Ben Shapiro for mocking diversity in space exploration:
https://youtu.be/CsPzV4jEi04

I fully agree with the hosts' perception that Shapiro's conception of the archetypal space explorer is that of "thick necked straight white men". I disagree with the hosts that this archetype should be challenged because it is misrepresentative (it is not), or that it is "fascist" or "ubermensch" in nature.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 05, 2022, 04:42:46 pm
False Leftists do not understand where "non-white" representation should be encouraged and where it should be discouraged. If they see more "white" than "non-white" firearm owners, they do not (unlike us) tell "non-whites" to buy more firearms. But if they see more "white" than "non-white" astronauts, they (unlike us) tell "non-whites" to become astronauts. Underneath it all, their chief concern is to get "non-whites" behaving in a way that does not cause "whites" to feel threatened. "Non-whites" with firearms will scare "whites", therefore "non-whites" should not have firearms. On the other hand, "non-whites" becoming astronauts will reassure "whites" that "non-whites" are just as capable of perpetuating Western civilization, therefore "non-whites" should become astronauts.

For True Leftists the answer is simple. It should be encouraged where the result is more likely to undermine Western civilization. It should be discouraged where the result is more likely to reinforce Western civilization. This leads us to the opposite conclusions.

"or that it is "fascist" or "ubermensch" in nature."

To clarify, fascists may not associate space exploration with "whiteness", "heterosexuality", etc., but fascists do like the idea of space exploration. Fascists would even argue that fascism is superior to identitarianism because it would recruit space exploration talent from wherever it can be found and thus have a stronger space program than identitarians with their narrower recruiting. This is why we are not fascists.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: rp on September 05, 2022, 05:08:22 pm
Indeed, fascists may also argue against ethnocentrism for similar reasons: recruiting across ethnic lines will help cultivate the ideal, sexually dimorphic, "ubermensch" candidate for space exploration.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 13, 2022, 01:36:07 am
Gates will never stop being a progressive:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-technological-innovation-help-225859457.html

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Bill Gates: Technological innovation would help solve hunger
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In assigning technology a pre-eminent role in addressing the world’s food crisis, Gates puts himself at odds with critics who say his ideas conflict with worldwide efforts to protect the environment.
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Some researchers question the wisdom of pursuing the fundamental premise that Gates has embraced: Increasing agricultural production through the use of modified seeds along with fertilizers and pesticides.
They point to the environmental footprint of industrial agriculture, including the use of fossil fuel-based fertilizers, the degradation of soil quality and the diminishing of biodiversity.

The only way to solve the food crisis is orderly depopulation via state control over reproduction. In particular, all who think more innovation is the answer to problems created by previous innovation should be immediately prohibited from reproducing.
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 26, 2022, 11:11:17 pm
Wakandism is the epitome of False Leftism:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/25/wakanda-forever-importance-black-girl-genius/

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what I was most struck by was how [Black Panther: Wakanda Forever] portrays Black girls and women and technology. It leads us to imagine a world in which Black girls are technological geniuses and the weapons that White men use are, in Gen. Okoye’s words, “so primitive.”

The part in bold is what False Leftism is all about.

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“Black Panther” is a bit of a technological-revenge fantasy. In the movie, the genius inventor is an American Black college student named Riri Williams, a.k.a. “Ironheart” (Dominique Thorne), who is studying at MIT. She develops a crucial piece of technology that everyone wants to get their hands on.
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Shuri, Riri and their respective technological geniuses are the true heroines of “Black Panther.”
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So, what if we lived in a world where Black girls were encouraged to be inventors in science and technology? Or where Black women could protect and benefit from their own creativity and genius?

If we lived in such a world, we would have to eliminate even more bloodlines in order to kill Western civilization.