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Title: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest90 on December 04, 2022, 11:57:51 pm
Neoteny can make a person look 10 times younger than they actually are:

Actress: Thuso Mbedu
First impression: 19-21 years old.
Reality: 31 years old

(https://2ma4cz.c2.acecdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Thuso-Mbedu-age-compressed.jpg)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 05, 2022, 01:44:13 am
So we are going ahead with the idea here?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-relativism/msg16412/#msg16412

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It's been standard operating procedure for swank clubs to screen out people at the door based on the aesthetics of the owners. This is hardly new.

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Look, classifying yourself as a model because you have an OnlyFans page is akin to me calling myself a soldier because I play Call of Duty. It's just wildly inaccurate. Every one knows the clubs cater to a certain aesthetic

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I think some night clubs want to have a reputation of being a place where only attractive people go.  They let the bouncers make the call.

Maybe we should start a virtual club on this forum where we collect pictures of people that fit our aesthetic?

Let's put on a club BGM, then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGF-sF2z-o0

"Actress: Thuso Mbedu"

The nose is on the short side. But seeing as the club is currently empty, I will let her in.

We should decide the maximum number of guests permitted inside the club. Then as more arrivals turn up, letting in someone new will require booting someone else out. Any suggestions on what maximum number we should go with?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest90 on December 05, 2022, 01:59:01 am
“ The nose is on the short side.”

Wouldn’t that be more of an ideal than a longer nose? I thought longer noses correlated with more extreme climates.

“We should decide the maximum number of people”

It would have to be a sensible size… say, 30?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest90 on December 05, 2022, 02:36:34 am
More suggestions:

Denzel Washington

(https://static-koimoi.akamaized.net/wp-content/new-galleries/2021/12/denzel-washington-001.jpg)

Daniela Amavia

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/getting-boot-9292733.jpg)

Liv Tyler

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/ame-prod-redonline-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/main/thumbs/29106/woolandcashmere.jpg?resize=480:*)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 05, 2022, 02:48:29 am
"Wouldn’t that be more of an ideal than a longer nose?"

Going by:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-metabolism/msg8071/#msg8071

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(https://media.springernature.com/full/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-018-24911-0/MediaObjects/41598_2018_24911_Fig1_HTML.jpg?as=webp)

note how the nose lengthens as BFP decreases. Not needing to store body fat is a trait associated with selective pressure in a lifestyle (e.g. subsistence farming) where regular meals are available and where carrying around extra fat during physical labour only means wasting energy.

Perhaps someone with otherwise Aryan facial geometry but a short nose can be considered a reduced Aryan type? We should ask Zea_mays about this.

And another club BGM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRtHuCdRStw
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 07, 2022, 04:21:14 pm
No one else wants to contribute to this topic?! Surely we could do with some uplifting imagery around here?

I will have to put on a more downbeat club BGM while we wait:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBpIIA0YUhM

Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest90 on December 07, 2022, 06:23:46 pm
I was going to suggest Jaye Davidson:

(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/7f/95/05/7f9505d92cda41f3440dc351c717421e.jpg)

But it seems his face has broadened as he’s aged.

Other suggestions:

Keanu Reeves:

(https://img.brut.media/w600/thumbnail/une-vie-retour-sur-le-parcours-de-keanu-reeves56750757-f8d3-45e7-b734-d4988e5ab6fe-square.jpg)

Edward Norton:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/9f/13/f49f13033ff2492deb1cd5088b44ceac.jpg)

Emma Watson might count as a reduced type:

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/getting-boot-9292733.jpg)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest78 on December 07, 2022, 06:50:01 pm
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“ The nose is on the short side.”

Wouldn’t that be more of an ideal than a longer nose? I thought longer noses correlated with more extreme climates.

“We should decide the maximum number of people”

It would have to be a sensible size… say, 30?

Short noses with small nostrils do often correlate with extreme cold climates I think?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 07, 2022, 07:09:22 pm
By the way, the current list suffers from Eurocentrism.

https://www.rutlandherald.com/opinion/commentary/the-world-is-not-white/article_61fd63e1-d401-5af7-9642-e9b52557c7ed.html

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the world, in which only 16 percent are white. That’s about 1.19 billion people out of a total world population of 7.4 billion. And it’s predicted that by 2060 only 10 percent of the world will be white.

16% = 4.8 out of 30, whereas the above is already at >6 out of only 10!!! Even if the next 20 are all "non-white", 6 out of 30 would still be overrepresentation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRiZ7LSN7E
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: SirGalahad on December 07, 2022, 07:40:39 pm
I definitely wanna contribute, but this thread reinforces just how rare Aryan phenotypes are. I can't really think of any notable figures that look like that, outside of some of the ones that have already been posted on the website and in other parts of this forum. A lot of the people posted in this thread specifically, aren't very convincing to me either. But I guess that's to be expected, since for now, we'll have to take what we can get when it comes to phenotype
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest90 on December 07, 2022, 07:57:00 pm
By the way, the current list suffers from Eurocentrism.

16% = 4.8 out of 30, whereas the above is already at >6 out of only 10!!! Even if the next 20 are all "non-white", 6 out of 30 would still be overrepresentation.

Then we should remove some, perhaps Watson as her face can appear more round in photos.
Another suggestion:

Ilhan Omar
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/getting-boot-9292733.jpg)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest90 on December 07, 2022, 09:04:41 pm
A lot of the people posted in this thread specifically, aren't very convincing to me either. But I guess that's to be expected, since for now, we'll have to take what we can get when it comes to phenotype

Bloodlines have become so diluted that faces which looked Aryan as young adults have changed further even long after puberty. Davidson has broadened and accumulated more body mass while Tyler’s face has developed towards oblong. Norton’s eyes also appear to be more hooded than when he was a young adult, and Reeves has a larger facial hair area than I originally expected him to have. We will take what we can get, but we also have to narrow it down as much as possible (hence why we will boot certain faces once the club becomes too full).
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest78 on December 07, 2022, 09:15:34 pm
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Bloodlines have become so diluted that faces which looked Aryan as young adults have changed further even long after puberty.

I wonder if western chemicals, sugar, and the stress of a western lifestyle, contribute to these factors also, not just puberty? Perhaps we'll never know, but something we must now consider as well in regards to how polluted the planet actually is at this point. Chronic inflammation maybe a factor at play here too...
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 07, 2022, 10:44:58 pm
"sugar"

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg12347/#msg12347

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX6MYGdqSJk
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest78 on December 08, 2022, 10:55:05 pm
Rakim:

(https://i.scdn.co/image/b11d5fd01fa04f4af39bf1f2879acc0034d34fd9)

(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2018/08/27/rabrooklynnight_wide-f998d82a3b6b946b38b8949c9cb501f984cbf5af-s1100-c50.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/M34OelgSlKI/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/c4/d3/d9c4d3209a7a8c695edea99d70e19165.jpg)

(https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/https://media.salon.com/2019/10/rakim-portrait-10251.jpg)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 08, 2022, 11:22:04 pm
Decor is also important for setting the atmosphere of a club. Acceptable:

(https://sc04.alicdn.com/kf/H8fcba6406b9d4a8fb4281b3ec26ec34cw/202144562/H8fcba6406b9d4a8fb4281b3ec26ec34cw.jpg)

Unacceptable (eyesore warning):

https://sofadungphat.com/upload/images/sofa-karaoke-03(1).jpg

Which goes better with the following BGM?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeloqt4Wkcw

Trivia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couch

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The word sofa comes from the Persian[citation needed] or Turkish[8][9][10][11] language and is derived from the Arabic word suffah ("ledge/bench"), cognates with the Aramaic word sippa ("mat").[12]

The word settee or setee comes from the Old English word setl, which was used to describe long benches with high backs and arms, but is now generally used to describe small upholstered seating structures.[13]
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest78 on December 08, 2022, 11:56:25 pm
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Unacceptable (eyesore warning):

https://sofadungphat.com/upload/images/sofa-karaoke-03(1).jpg

Everyone loves a good haunt!  ;D
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: Ganbaru on January 09, 2023, 03:21:18 am
(https://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/images/models/12485/eden-teni-289790-fit.jpg)
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/getting-boot-9292733.jpg)
(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbeauty-around.com%2Fimages%2Fsampledata%2FEthiopian_Women%2F9.Sayat%2520Demissie.jpg&hash=e6a22ee1f225f70ec7f13af046f44fa0c9505699)
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/getting-boot-9292733.jpg)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 10, 2023, 07:09:02 pm
"What do you guys think?"

For the purposes of this topic, we should be trying to post the best ones we can find. The % of India's population gives 6 slots out of 30 for India. If you are claiming she is among the top 6 out of all Indians, you are making India look really bad. Fortunately I know better, but some visitors may not.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest90 on January 12, 2023, 10:07:22 am
Maybe Ncuti Gatwa, though his nose is on the short side.
(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/85b/d25/db9a9c0766cc6c437638311bfc68e8ff5d-13-ncuti-gatwa-color.rvertical.w570.jpg)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 20, 2023, 12:07:51 am
Hrithik Roshan,Bollywood actor:
(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fim.rediff.com%2Fmovies%2F2014%2Fjan%2F10hrithik-roshan15.jpg&hash=93cdda7751fda12cfa6d54e7c28eb5f78e842c49)

That's 1/6. (BTW, if you can, try to find some Aryan faces from Southern India. Idiots on HBD forums claim that PIE steppe peoples are Aryans, and that therefore North Indians have more Aryan blood, so a face from south India would be a good counterexample)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 20, 2023, 01:45:08 am
"if you can, try to find some Aryan faces from Southern India"

I already gave you one back in the old forum, remember? Repost of the exact music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZnwAcvxMng

Also, in terms of presentation, I find videos to be better than photos for conveying a general impression as it shows multiple angles and varied facial expressions, and sometimes (as in this case) provides physiognomic contrast via the supporting cast. (Music videos moreover reinforce the club atmosphere that is supposed to be the theme of this topic!)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 20, 2023, 03:48:49 am
Amrita Rao:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv5j1CUTVGM

She pulls off the young/cute girl look really well with the pigtail braids:
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/getting-boot-9292733.jpg)

But False Leftists will call you a **** if you find that attractive...
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 20, 2023, 07:38:03 pm
"She pulls off the young/cute girl look really well with the pigtail braids:"

Insufficient vertical emphasis. At 4:09-4:12 in the music video you posted, for example, while she does look better than the supporting character, there is still a feeling that they are variations within the same level of evolution, as opposed to her already having reached the next level. What we are aiming for is something like the following degree of contrast (Kishore is also from Maharashtra, therefore no need to worry about the HBD forum idiots):

(https://scontent.fhkg4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/72714274_2365786387019848_6081945820263874560_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=4qy4z7al3ecAX99MH3G&_nc_ht=scontent.fhkg4-2.fna&oh=00_AfBYZLrg5yvknSOGr4bejKUPVarL6Z9sZFRjWytALAAauA&oe=64F3C931)

See what I mean? The other two instantly look subhuman in comparison. This is the effect we need.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 21, 2023, 12:15:51 am
"Kishore is also from Maharashtra, therefore no need to worry about the HBD forum idiots):"
You are correct that Maharashtran Aryan phenotypes will throw a wrench in the HBD narrative. While conventionally considered "north India", remember that Turanians consider everything south of Narmada to be different from everything north of it. To this end, I academically agree with them, and hence accept Maharashtrans as South Indians. Besides, the only reason why Maharashtra is considered "North" is due to the prevalence of Hindi, which itself can be attributed to the dominance of Bollywood (based in Mumbai). But remember that Bollywood is controlled by Turanian mafia men/Pashtun invaders (as we were discussing in the Facial Turanism thread), so it's not like that is the native culture.

Also, who is Kishore (i.e. what is her full name)?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 21, 2023, 12:44:49 am
Maharashtra is also south conventionwise:

(https://www.pngfind.com/pngs/m/637-6376904_physiographic-division-north-india-map-north-india-vs.png)

This also groups the northeast with the south, consistent with what we were discussing here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/indian-attitudes/msg6097/?topicseen#msg6097

We can continue the north vs south discussion over there if you want. Or you can even start a new topic in the Mythical World forum if you prefer.

We should also try to find northeastern examples for this topic.

"Also, who is Kishore (i.e. what is her full name)?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanvi_Kishore
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 22, 2023, 05:41:58 am
Another video of Amrita Rao. The context of the scene is that the other kids are bullying her for her modest appearance (which suits her so well!). Note the phenotypes of the bullies, especially the girl:
https://youtu.be/dunzHk4b6gA
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 22, 2023, 08:11:20 pm
Is Rao your favourite from South India only or from India overall? If the former, who is your North India favourite? It might be worthwhile to compare them.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 22, 2023, 08:29:04 pm
South India only (so far).
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 22, 2023, 08:32:40 pm
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If the former, who is your North India favourite?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 22, 2023, 08:50:01 pm
Haven't been able to find any female phenotypes yet. As I mentioned earlier, Bollywood is dominated by Turanian Pashtun nepotists.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 22, 2023, 09:04:00 pm
Here is a North India example:

(https://www.cinejosh.com/gallereys/actress/normal/simrat_kaur_new_images_1907180810/simrat_kaur_new_images_1907180810_018.jpg)

What do you think?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 22, 2023, 09:12:16 pm
I notice that the skull is longer/more oval than Rao, who has a shorter rounder skull. Konidela (first Indian actress in this thread) also has a longer skull, but I find her features too heavy, which is why I preferred Rao to her. However, compared to Rao I prefer the woman above.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 22, 2023, 10:21:39 pm
"Konidela (first Indian actress in this thread) also has a longer skull, but I find her features too heavy"

On the other hand, I would give her bonus points for her:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-teeth/

(https://howtogettech.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/IMG_20220404_080910.jpg)

"compared to Rao I prefer the woman above."

I forgot to post a music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdWD_yDFqDE

Enjoy!

Next, who are your favourites of other ethnicities and how do they compare in your mind with your Indian favourites?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 22, 2023, 11:18:50 pm
Aryan phenotypes fit so perfectly for romantic movies! I always found most "romantic" movies to be fake as I simply did not find the characters to be channeling the deep emotions of romance, but were rather channeling their mere cheap sexual non-romantic feelings.

"Next, who are your favourites of other ethnicities and how do they compare in your mind with your Indian favourites?"
I always liked Liv Tyler. I found her character's romance with Edward Norton (another Aryan phenotypal actor) in the Incredible Hulk very emotional.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmS06xFtYu8
However, as others have mentioned, her face is tending more toward oblong, so for now, I prefer the Indian actors.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 22, 2023, 11:25:31 pm
I forgot to mention, in the video, Kaur's jaw looks rather wide and robust, so Rao beats her in that department:
(https://healthyceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Simrat-Kaur-in-February-2022-providing-her-photo-on-public-demand.jpg)

(https://indianewengland.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Amrita-Rao.jpg)

Also, I liked Rao's romantic scene better tbh. So I'm gonna have to reverse my earlier opinion and call it a tie!

"On the other hand, I would give her bonus points for her:"
Konidela is known mainly because her family is very influential in Telegu cinema:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allu%E2%80%93Konidela_family

So it can be expected that she will have average looks, as she was not necessarily selected solely for her looks. However, even considering those factors she is above average.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 22, 2023, 11:46:53 pm
Also, have you noticed that our list is disproportionately female? Is it because females on average have more Aryan blood? 4/5 of the Indian celebrities posted are female! What do you think? Hopefully, for the last (6th) Indian face we can find a male.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 23, 2023, 12:05:59 am
'Aryan phenotypes fit so perfectly for romantic movies!"

They also go well with undecorative and even dilapidated architecture, as demonstrated in the video above (e.g. 3:53 the worn concrete and faded paint in the background). Aryan beauty is austere beauty.

"Kaur's jaw looks rather wide and robust, so Rao beats her in that department"

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about. The pictures you yourself posted give me the exact opposite impression. Would someone else like to jump in and offer a third opinion?

"Also, I liked Rao's romantic scene better tbh. So I'm gonna have to reverse my earlier opinion and call it a tie!"

I would like to hear what everyone else here thinks.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 23, 2023, 12:12:18 am
"I honestly have no clue what you are talking about. The pictures you yourself posted give me the exact opposite impression. Would someone else like to jump in and offer a third opinion?"
OK, not necessarily wider, but definitely a sharper appearance. Also, I think I meant to refer to the chin:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/4c/bf/b64cbf6b9bb307f5ee1256571e6cce93.jpg)

As opposed to Rao who is smoother IMO. Looking back at it, Rao does have a harder jaw than Kaur,  who is smoother as seen in the second picture. So I agree with you wrt the jawline, but for the chin, this is my opinion. I'm open to disagreements though.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 23, 2023, 01:35:45 am
"have you noticed that our list is disproportionately female?"

I don't think this is necessarily our fault. The music video producers themselves didn't bother to pair the heroines with facially compatible heroes for the above videos! If they had done so, we would automatically get a balanced list. All the way back here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg2424/#msg2424

I had posted an example of a music video with facially matched hero and heroine:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMJ1juwb8TM

I will try to find more of these.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 23, 2023, 05:04:15 am
" The music video producers themselves didn't bother to pair the heroines with facially compatible heroes for the above videos! If they had done so, we would automatically get a balanced list."

For the video with Rao, the pairing with the incompatible actor actually makes sense because it fits the hero's character in the movie. The hero is a sexually promiscuous "player" type while Rao's character is interested in true romantic love. There's even a scene in the movie where she rejects his sexual advances, despite being in love with him. This leads to a breakup in the relationship, whereupon the hero falls for the character played by this actress:
(https://desiactresshot.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/shenaztreasurywalabigboobs.jpg)

Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest98 on January 23, 2023, 01:43:02 pm
Kaur does have a youthful looking face, her jaw is somewhat wide/robust.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 23, 2023, 02:10:09 pm
"Kaur does have a youthful looking face, her jaw is somewhat wide/robust."

WTF?! Even rp doesn't think so anymore:

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I agree with you wrt the jawline

yet you now think so?

Post what you think a narrow/gracile jaw looks like.

I also think there is too much vocabulary being used interchangeably, which might account for part of the confusion. Recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-afghanistan-1612/msg16716/#msg16716

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-afghanistan-1612/msg16723/#msg16723

I'm not sure what rp means by "sharp" either. Is this a separate parameter or merely another word for parameters we already have other words for?

In order to clear things up, compare the music video I (re)posted here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17635/#msg17635

with the following music video which is another example of hero-heroine facial matching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJjZLqFRv0w

1) How would you describe the aesthetical differences between the faces of the two heroines (both of which easily meet our qualifying standards, for the record)?

2) Which heroine would you say matches Tam better?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest98 on January 23, 2023, 02:20:30 pm
This is just my opinion, you guys probably know better than me what an aryan face looks like. If i find a pic i'll post it.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest98 on January 23, 2023, 03:29:07 pm
1) The second girl looks more aryan and higher class(1:45) then the first girl. The first girl has a more archaic and robust jaw. I also don't really like the way she moves her head around; very jerky and ungraceful(1:04-1:10,3:36-3:39)

2) I would say the second girl just based on the look, but Tam did seem more interested in the first girl based on the video, like he had more desire for her.

I also like the second girls long coat, it looks good on her. That coat is a good example of non sexually dimorphic dress.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 23, 2023, 06:54:59 pm
There is a second part to this exercise. Now we look at the same two heroines paired with a different hero. Previously posted:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg16308/#msg16308

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuAaHqDmkNg

Posting for the first time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80cZg8VEeIg

Which is the (relatively) better match this time round (because both are actually terrible)? You can probably see where this is leading. By holding one variable constant at a time while changing the other (all the way to absurdity), a clearer picture will emerge.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 24, 2023, 12:09:46 am
"I'm not sure what rp means by "sharp" either. Is this a separate parameter or merely another word for parameters we already have other words for?"
See how strong the chin appears? IMO an Aryan chin should be smooth and not be as pronounced, blending in with the rest of the face, otherwise it creates a somewhat jarring appearance.  If not sharp, would you call the chin robust?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 24, 2023, 02:49:06 am
Recall:

(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ksenija-Zelic/publication/261375091/figure/fig3/AS:1088665266724877@1636569434184/Division-of-the-face-into-horizontal-thirds.jpg)

Kaur has a longer nose than Rao, therefore her chin also being longer merely maintains balance between the floors. If you want to reduce her chin, you would have to proportionately reduce her nose as well or else lose balance. But you yourself already said:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17616/#msg17616

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I notice that the skull is longer/more oval than Rao

so if you want to reduce Kaur's chin while maintaining balance, you would be making her face less oval(!). So are you claiming oval should not be our ideal face shape in the first place?

I also look forward to your response to the exercise I set up:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17635/#msg17635

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17638/#msg17638

Also, how do you rank Kwan and Chow compared to Rao?

Finally, with the recent additions, we are about ready to start booting! From now on, every new face introduced should be accompanied by a request to boot an existing one. If approved, I will delete the corresponding face. Eventually I foresee having to expand the total number allowed in the club as the quality rises, but we can do some booting first. Let the fun begin!
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest98 on January 24, 2023, 02:12:19 pm
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Which is the (relatively) better match this time round

For the first first girl I'd say the the better match is with the first guy Tam. After seeing the second video i have to say that the first girl(don't know her name) is definitely aryan, although i still think her jaw is kind of robust(1:04). She looks good in that dress, also the acting style in the second video makes her look better. The first video shes acting in a post colonial way, whereas in the second video the impression i get is that this girl is from the past, before the colonial era.

For the second girl, i guess the first guy.

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(because both are actually terrible)?

I agree.

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By holding one variable constant at a time while changing the other (all the way to absurdity), a clearer picture will emerge.

I wouldn't say the variable is constant because even though its the same girls the different directing styles and dress of the videos creates a big difference. For example the first girl looks and acts way superior in the second video compared to the first. 
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 24, 2023, 04:06:17 pm
"so if you want to reduce Kaur's chin while maintaining balance, you would be making her face less oval(!). So are you claiming oval should not be our ideal face shape in the first place?"
I see. Perhaps it is Kaur's lack of maxillary growth (lack of an overbite) that makes her chin stand out? This goes back to the point about Aryan teeth.. Maxillary growth (upper jaw) should also accompany mandible growth (lower jaw) to get that perfect appearance.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 24, 2023, 05:31:08 pm
@christianbethel

Please follow the rules:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17648/#msg17648

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From now on, every new face introduced should be accompanied by a request to boot an existing one.

Whom would you like boot? If you do not reply, I will delete your post.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 26, 2023, 06:43:31 pm
@m94r

"i still think her jaw is kind of robust"

Here is photo of her with her subhuman rival who has an actual robust jaw:

(https://5b0988e595225.cdn.sohucs.com/images/20180507/f4e283654e6b4ea88b8ceba3e21aa3eb.jpeg)

Full-body shot (also note the contrast in shoulder width, wrist size, leg thickness, etc.):

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.lookforward.info%2Fimgs%2F201907%2F19%2F2%2F15635192451660.jpg&hash=98c05fce41a02665518c7967e19496d6e6535dbb)

Kwan compares favourably even with the fellow human on the right (I might bring her in later when the club is scraping the barrel), let alone with the subhuman.

"the different directing styles and dress of the videos creates a big difference."

I agree. Here are two music videos for the same song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCEt5rk8dYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-YxRt8HOkU

"acting in a post colonial way"

We are here to promote the Counterculture era also.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest98 on January 27, 2023, 02:09:40 pm
Her jaw does look better in the pictures you posted, when i compare the videos to the pictures it doesn't even look like the same person. Imo she looks the best in the picture where shes sitting in between the two girls, very attractive. I think that Kwan has both aryan and non-aryan expressed blood.

I have broad shoulders, would this make me subhuman?

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We are here to promote the Counterculture era also.

I wasn't alive for most of the counterculture era so i don't have much knowledge about it. But based on the media that i saw that came out during the time it felt more open, more free, more tolerant, and more artistic in its expressions. Although i feel that it lacked a certain warrior element in its expression, which is probably why it couldn't totally destroy the west.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 27, 2023, 07:32:29 pm
"I have broad shoulders, would this make me subhuman?"

As long as you prefer narrow shoulders (and wish your shoulders were narrower), you are fine. The problem is those who both carry the primitive traits and also think those traits are superior.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 28, 2023, 07:17:04 pm
OK, let me explicitly demonstrate how the booting system works. For example, the following MV (which features another good facially matched pair) introduces two faces not previously seen in the club (SPOILER WARNING 4:00 onwards):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMTEy1S-K_Y

I at the same time propose booting the following two:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16929/#msg16929

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16932/#msg16932

If no one objects, I will delete the linked faces. If anyone does object, they will have to explain how the faces I want to boot are better than the faces I am adding. I will then either disagree with the objection and boot anyway, or agree and keep.

Got it?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on January 28, 2023, 07:21:10 pm
No objection, both the hero and heroine have narrower faces than the ones that are to be booted.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 29, 2023, 05:44:50 pm
Would you like to try booting someone? Remember that the later you post, the harder it will be to boot successfully, as more of the easily bootable will have already been booted by someone else.

Continuing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3Hd9GfD1Eo

to replace:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16928/#msg16928

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https://cinefeel.me/medias/people/329aa34e6adb01c4839b83ad16709169.jpg

I have been waiting to boot her from the beginning. (WE WILL REPLACE YOU!)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 30, 2023, 04:24:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhaqrzqruvY

or if you prefer the lighthearted version (note extreme facial contrast at 0:27):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DSZBgJVz30

to replace:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17405/#msg17405

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https://improvemandarin.com/wp-content/uploads/top-Chinese-actress-Tong-Liya.jpg
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 31, 2023, 05:17:58 pm
Besides MVs, commericals are also a feature of our club. To sell cereal, you need a face that looks like it came straight from the Golden Age:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xN2K2PbcxQ

to replace:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17404/#msg17404

Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 02, 2023, 12:11:41 am
Why am I the only person posting? We finally got to the fun part (booting) and suddenly everyone else disappears! Even if you don't have new faces to post yet, you can at least compare in detail the existing faces! This is supposed to be one of the few positively enjoyable topics around here! Don't let our virtual club die!

(https://e.snmc.io/i/600/s/fd6fc74300873002c7d0300e6e4533a6/9740958/%E4%B8%AD%E5%8E%9F%E3%82%81%E3%81%84%E3%81%93-meiko-nakahara-%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BB%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BB%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BB%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B7%E3%82%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%83%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%83%83%E3%83%88-Cover-Art.jpg)

While MVs are preferred, live performances with sufficient closeup shots are also acceptable if suitable MVs are unavailable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiWKxnD32fo

to replace:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16936/#msg16936
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest98 on February 02, 2023, 01:18:41 pm
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17741/#msg17741

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xN2K2PbcxQ

The shot at 0:09 shows of her facial aryanism the best imo.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 02, 2023, 07:31:43 pm
You mean the shot with the glasses? If so, I agree. In contrast, non-Aryan faces look even worse with glasses on:

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/ac/3d/1e/ac3d1e387b11b3a36521ae27e3369e43.jpg
https://s3.envato.com/files/253423219/DSCF6709.jpg
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/quayxchrissy-all-nighter-0304-1565813753.jpg

but the aesthetically inferior Western advertizers continue to use non-Aryan faces to sell glasses:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/59106c631b10e3154472f6ba/1499974986615-H8IN37F3DF4WUQHZQBSB/16366-1613-44434-5950-fullsize.jpg
https://newspaperads.ads2publish.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/idee-young-famewear-glasses-you-are-never-too-young-to-turn-heads-ad-bombay-times-26-11-2017.png

(By the way, in order to avoid confusion, please link to the earlier post and use the quote button so as to make it clear it is content previously posted as opposed to new content. I edited your post for you this time.)

Back to MVs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5X8o44IrDk

to replace:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16964/#msg16964

If I do not hear back soon from the original posters of the faces I want to boot, I will assume there is no objection.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: Ganbaru on February 03, 2023, 10:49:14 pm
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to replace:

https://improvemandarin.com/wp-content/uploads/top-Chinese-actress-Tong-Liya.jpg
Agreed. I'll nominate:

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/getting-boot-9292733.jpg)

to replace:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16965/#msg16965
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 04, 2023, 03:08:22 pm
"I'll nominate:"

Does anyone support/object to the booting proposed by Ganbaru? I do not mind either way (though I will surely be back to boot Smalls later due to her heavy cheekbones).

Meanwhile (note extreme facial contrast at 2:24):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb9ClTuekU8

to replace:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17405/#msg17405

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/be/43/5cbe436efe0d0274f044bfdd85748ce7.jpg
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: Ganbaru on February 04, 2023, 07:49:29 pm
to replace:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/be/43/5cbe436efe0d0274f044bfdd85748ce7.jpg

Definitely agreed, I just picked up on cheekbones being a non-Aryan trait from the Facial Turanism thread. I've been searching for new oval faces and have only found these yet, something was slightly off in my mind but I couldn't put my finger on it.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 04, 2023, 08:15:48 pm
My favourite among your submitted faces so far is:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17405/#msg17405

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http://beauty-around.com/images/sampledata/Ethiopian_Women/9.Sayat%20Demissie.jpg

However, I feel that the photo you posted is not a particularly flattering shot of her. I will post an MV which I find more fully captures her beauty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP06iJXFRoQ
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: Ganbaru on February 04, 2023, 08:31:56 pm
Very nice, videos seem like a better way to display Aryan beauty ideals (especially in counterculture MVs...).
To test my preferences, I've just photoshopped Smalls and the model we just booted to smooth out the cheekbones and they look 10 times better even though the end result is uncanny (akin to South Korean procedures).
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 04, 2023, 08:36:30 pm
"the end result is uncanny (akin to South Korean procedures)."

Yes, I covered this here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/face-shapes-and-preferences/msg12262/#msg12262
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 06, 2023, 03:53:01 pm
Hotpot seasoning (sesame flavour) commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm8CUM7-DXY

to replace:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16938/#msg16938

Trivia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sesame

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Sesame seed is considered to be the oldest oilseed crop known to humanity.[6] The genus has many species, and most are wild.[3] Most wild species of the genus Sesamum are native to sub-Saharan Africa.[3] S. indicum, the cultivated type,[5][16] originated in India.[12][17][3]

Archaeological remnants of charred sesame dating to about 3500-3050 BCE suggest sesame was domesticated in the Indian subcontinent at least 5500 years ago.[18][19] It has been claimed that trading of sesame between Mesopotamia and the Indian subcontinent occurred by 2000 BC.[20] It is possible that the Indus Valley civilization exported sesame oil to Mesopotamia, where it was known as ilu in Sumerian and ellu in Akkadian.[21]
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest93 on February 07, 2023, 01:34:47 am
I agree, and thank you for posting the Turanian "supermodels" in the Facial Turanism thread, it reminded me of the following (proper) models.

I propose replacing:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16873/#msg16873

with (see 4:35, 7:46 & 10:39. Excuse the extremely displeasing scenery/clothes/music though...):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nFgepbh0Pk

and:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16877/#msg16877
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https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTMzNTkzNzg5MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNzMxNTk2._V1_.jpg

with (17:48):

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/getting-boot-9292733.jpg)

By the way I'm Ganbaru
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 08, 2023, 03:16:02 am
No one else seems to want to offer input on your booting suggestions..... :( I'm ready to edit old posts as necessary, but I would like to hear from other members first.

One disadvantage of catwalk videos is the lack of varied facial expressions. Everyone looks bored out of their wits, and probably are!

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-models-on-catwalks-always-look-so-unhappy

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-models-on-the-catwalk-look-so-fed-up

etc.

Back to the much more enjoyable MVs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzRxFlWOIzQ

Previously posted:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg5228/#msg5228

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9H6gmwJ5kU

Behind the scenes (the abundance of facial expressions makes this video ideal for recovering with after watching the catwalk videos in the previous post!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRW-F7ZrD18

to replace:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17846/#msg17846

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(17:48):

Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on February 08, 2023, 07:33:32 am
I agree with all the replacements, as they are much more gracile than the ones getting replaced!
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest93 on February 08, 2023, 02:36:15 pm
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to replace:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17846/#msg17846

(17:48)

Sure, as long as Amavia gets replaced lol
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 09, 2023, 07:00:09 pm
Next, I will keep my promise to boot:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17793/#msg17793

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https://www.pourfemme.it/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/np-gallery/2012/03/joan_smalls_89821.jpg

using a drink commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SvDn4kgp3M

Any objections?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest93 on February 11, 2023, 03:59:16 pm
Fine by me! I need to get on your level with the 90s media.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 11, 2023, 04:52:37 pm
I had trouble choosing just one MV, so I will post four, which are all part of the same shoot anyway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQN6GGGZuQo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKoeoxvM4hA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV1cJ4pBfnY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p95jsSoF0E4

(None of which are even the best from this shoot (I have the entire shoot), by the way. Unfortunately, the best one is not on YouTube.)

Time to boot:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16877/#msg16877

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https://hips.hearstapps.com/ame-prod-redonline-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/main/thumbs/29106/woolandcashmere.jpg

Any objections?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on February 22, 2023, 10:32:33 am
Finally responding to:
"Kaur does have a youthful looking face, her jaw is somewhat wide/robust."

WTF?! Even rp doesn't think so anymore:

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I agree with you wrt the jawline

yet you now think so?

Post what you think a narrow/gracile jaw looks like.

I also think there is too much vocabulary being used interchangeably, which might account for part of the confusion. Recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-afghanistan-1612/msg16716/#msg16716

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-afghanistan-1612/msg16723/#msg16723

I'm not sure what rp means by "sharp" either. Is this a separate parameter or merely another word for parameters we already have other words for?

In order to clear things up, compare the music video I (re)posted here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17635/#msg17635

with the following music video which is another example of hero-heroine facial matching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJjZLqFRv0w

1) How would you describe the aesthetical differences between the faces of the two heroines (both of which easily meet our qualifying standards, for the record)?

2) Which heroine would you say matches Tam better?


1) The second heroine has better facial angle than the first, giving the latter a rather robust appearance wrt the jaw. However, the first has better maxillary growth.

2) The first. Tam's facial angle is not as good as the second heroine's.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 22, 2023, 05:05:43 pm
"The second heroine has better facial angle than the first, giving the latter a rather robust appearance wrt the jaw. However, the first has better maxillary growth."

Define what you mean by good facial angle and good maxillary growth.

Also, do you intend to do the second part of the exercise also?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17638/#msg17638

Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on February 22, 2023, 06:36:04 pm
"Define what you mean by good facial angle and good maxillary growth."
Facial angle:
(https://www.rejuvenationresource.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/rejawvenation-06.png)
In my view, a greater gonial angle produces a more oval face. This is because the jaw becomes practically invisible as it blends in with neck.

Maxillary growth is when the maxilla (upper jaw) overlaps the mandible (lower jaw) so as to produce an overbite, resulting in Aryan teeth, or at least a more neotenous appearance IMO.

Would you agree with my assessments?


"Also, do you intend to do the second part of the exercise also?"
Yes, soon.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 22, 2023, 10:59:40 pm
Using the term gonial angle clarifies things. Facial angle commonly refers to a different measurement:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Angle_facial.png/1115px-Angle_facial.png)

"overbite, resulting in Aryan teeth"

Overbite =/= Aryan teeth

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-teeth/msg660/#msg660

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teeth did not reduce proportionately to the jaw and crowding resulted

You need crowding as well as overbite to be described as having Aryan teeth.

(https://www.smilingseadentist.com/hub_sites/to-michelle/www/assets/uploads/images/ADAPermanentTeethDev_Eng.png)

Overbite without crowding (note face shape):

(https://killineydental.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/fd.jpg)

Overbite + crowding (note how the two upper central incisors are not flat relative to each other, but form a concave angle) a.k.a Aryan teeth:

(https://gimg2.baidu.com/image_search/src=http%3A%2F%2Fimg1.doubanio.com%2Fview%2Fnote%2Fl%2Fpublic%2Fp54295828.jpg&refer=http%3A%2F%2Fimg1.doubanio.com&app=2002&size=f9999,10000&q=a80&n=0&g=0n&fmt=auto?sec=1679714144&t=8e7059c6c025862b9d805caa388eba9c)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on February 22, 2023, 11:22:37 pm
"Overbite =/= Aryan teeth"
Fine. But would you say overbite = neotenous appearance?

Also, another thing I forgot to mention, the first heroine's jaw seems a little robust, irrespective of the gonial angle:
(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.lookforward.info%2Fimgs%2F201907%2F19%2F2%2F15635192451660.jpg&hash=98c05fce41a02665518c7967e19496d6e6535dbb)
IMO ideally the jaw should be gracile as well in order to reduce its visibility, along with a good gonial angle. So the second heroine beats her in that department. I have noticed this in my own face: my right jaw bone is thicker than my left and as a result is more visible.

Sure, she compares favourably to the other two actresses in the picture, but not so much to the second heroine in the older message.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 23, 2023, 12:09:48 am
"would you say overbite = neotenous appearance?"

I never thought about it like that. Is it common for children who have overbite to automatically lose it as they grow up?

"reduce its visibility"

Visibility is a poor way to judge gracility, as faces with less fat will have more visible bone structure than faces with more fat. A better way to judge gracility is bone volume. If we could directly measure circumferences etc. this would be easy, but relying on photos and videos alone requires comparisons with other people in the same shot, which is what the exercise is for. I will wait for your response to the second part.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on February 23, 2023, 12:20:47 am
"I never thought about it like that. Is it common for children who have overbite to automatically lose it as they grow up?"
I would think so. From my observation, puberty mostly results in lower jaw as oppsoed to upper jaw growth, but I could be wrong.

" A better way to judge gracility is bone volume. "
I agree. In my case, I was able to feel my jawbone, but this is impossible to do with the actress!
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 23, 2023, 12:30:28 am
I am so awesome that I managed to find a third guy (note the subhuman brow ridge in the thumbnail) to use as a yardstick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLTZcSyltIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYRy8bVe0Sg

Who pairs worse with him?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on February 23, 2023, 12:42:09 am
I noticed the first heroine from the first exercise is present in the second video. Is she the one you want me to compare, or is it the other female character?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 23, 2023, 01:18:40 am
"I noticed the first heroine from the first exercise is present in the second video."

All three parts of the exercise feature the same two heroines. That's the point!

"Is she the one you want me to compare"

In the first part, you have already said that you think Kwan facially pairs better with Tam (who is our first yardstick).

In the remaining two parts, you should say who, Kwan or Chow, facially pairs better with Cheung (second yardstick) and Fong (third yardstick).
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on February 23, 2023, 01:32:05 am
"All three parts of the exercise feature the same two heroines. That's the point!"
Oh, ok! I just realized I misread the second part as "Same heroine paired with two different heroes" instead of "same two heroines paired with a different hero". I also didn't recognize Chow because of the hairstyle in the first video of the third exercise.

To answer your question,in the third exercise, I believe Kwan pairs worse with him because he has such a short face. Despite the sharp contrast in gracility/neoteny between himself and Chow, the contrast in fwhr between Kwan and the hero is even sharper that it makes him look even more subhuman.

It goes without saying that in both videos, Fong pairs much more favorably with the other female characters than with the respective heroines.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 23, 2023, 02:20:39 am
Although you have skipped over the second part (why??), even just using the first and third parts, no one (except Westerners) could possibly think that Fong is more highly evolved than Tam. Therefore, given your agreement that Chow pairs better with Fong whereas Kwan pairs better with Tam, the theoretical expectation should be that Kwan beats Chow.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on February 23, 2023, 02:41:27 am
I intended to do it after the third since it was on a different page. That being said:
There is a second part to this exercise. Now we look at the same two heroines paired with a different hero. Previously posted:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg16308/#msg16308

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuAaHqDmkNg

Posting for the first time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80cZg8VEeIg

Which is the (relatively) better match this time round (because both are actually terrible)? You can probably see where this is leading. By holding one variable constant at a time while changing the other (all the way to absurdity), a clearer picture will emerge.
Chow is the better match due to the fwhr.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 23, 2023, 02:48:13 am
This should reinforce the previous conclusion, then?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on February 23, 2023, 02:50:31 am
Yes!
Also, finally:
Recall:

(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ksenija-Zelic/publication/261375091/figure/fig3/AS:1088665266724877@1636569434184/Division-of-the-face-into-horizontal-thirds.jpg)

Kaur has a longer nose than Rao, therefore her chin also being longer merely maintains balance between the floors. If you want to reduce her chin, you would have to proportionately reduce her nose as well or else lose balance. But you yourself already said:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17616/#msg17616

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I notice that the skull is longer/more oval than Rao

so if you want to reduce Kaur's chin while maintaining balance, you would be making her face less oval(!). So are you claiming oval should not be our ideal face shape in the first place?

I also look forward to your response to the exercise I set up:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17635/#msg17635

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17638/#msg17638

Also, how do you rank Kwan and Chow compared to Rao?


Finally, with the recent additions, we are about ready to start booting! From now on, every new face introduced should be accompanied by a request to boot an existing one. If approved, I will delete the corresponding face. Eventually I foresee having to expand the total number allowed in the club as the quality rises, but we can do some booting first. Let the fun begin!
Chow has a similar fwhr to Rao, but Chow's gracility and gonial angle simply blows Rao's phenotype out of the water. Kwan has a slightly better gonial angle than Rao despite having a similarly robust jaw, but more importantly her fwhr is better than Rao's. So Kwan and Chow both beat Rao! I probably suffered from Eurocentric bias and considered Rao superior without even considering other ethnicities because she is more "Caucusoid" looking, but not anymore.

BTW, I notice many "non-Whites" also suffer from this bias wrt other "non-White" ethnicities when they say things like "all x look the same". These people are not even Gentiles from what I have observed, but have been conditioned by centuries of colonial propaganda. This could be because, as you have stated before, Aryan blood immunizes from ethnotribalism but not necessarily ethnocentrism.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: Zhang Caizhi on February 23, 2023, 03:53:33 am
May you find a Thai person with an Aryan face?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on February 26, 2023, 11:25:11 pm
Returning to this post:
"Kaur does have a youthful looking face, her jaw is somewhat wide/robust."

WTF?! Even rp doesn't think so anymore:

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I agree with you wrt the jawline

yet you now think so?

Post what you think a narrow/gracile jaw looks like.

I also think there is too much vocabulary being used interchangeably, which might account for part of the confusion. Recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-afghanistan-1612/msg16716/#msg16716

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-afghanistan-1612/msg16723/#msg16723

I'm not sure what rp means by "sharp" either. Is this a separate parameter or merely another word for parameters we already have other words for?

In order to clear things up, compare the music video I (re)posted here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17635/#msg17635

with the following music video which is another example of hero-heroine facial matching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJjZLqFRv0w

1) How would you describe the aesthetical differences between the faces of the two heroines (both of which easily meet our qualifying standards, for the record)?

2) Which heroine would you say matches Tam better?

To clarify, I now think that Kaur's chin appears "sharp" (i.e. more prominent) because of her gonial angle. I think a greater gonial angle would reduce the prominence of the chin.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: HikariDude on April 01, 2023, 07:34:00 pm
Don't you have to boot someone? Who would you want to boot?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on April 01, 2023, 07:48:59 pm
Oh right, I forgot!
I propose booting:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17448/#msg17448
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on April 17, 2023, 01:38:38 am
"would you say overbite = neotenous appearance?"

I never thought about it like that. Is it common for children who have overbite to automatically lose it as they grow up?

"reduce its visibility"

Visibility is a poor way to judge gracility, as faces with less fat will have more visible bone structure than faces with more fat. A better way to judge gracility is bone volume. If we could directly measure circumferences etc. this would be easy, but relying on photos and videos alone requires comparisons with other people in the same shot, which is what the exercise is for. I will wait for your response to the second part.

After thinking about this for a while, I have realized that overbite in some cases may actually be non-neotenous. Incels frequently talk about "good forward growth", or growth of the maxiallary/upper jaw bone. This results in a more protruding profile, which, when coupled with a heavy nosebridge/browridge, results in an adulterated "3D" appearance (see the "3D face" that Chinese Eurocentrists were talking about). I have noticed this with myself; I have an Aryan looking face when viewed from the front, but when viewed from the side, the rather heavy nose bridge/brow-ridge and protruding maxilla are anything but Aryan.

On a side note, I want to mention the remarkably mix-and-match nature of Aryan traits in my brother and myself. I am ectomorphic, gracile, leptoropsopic, don't have facial fat but have heavy features and am not so dolicocephalic, while my brother is endomorphic, is not as leptoprosopic, and has facial fat, but is extremely dolichocephalic and has lighter features. 

Additionally, another non-Aryan facial trait you mentioned was deep-set eyes. I have noticed the difference between me and my brother in this regard as well, where his noticeable lack of deep eye sockets gives him a strikingly Aryan eye area, with many even remarking on the "radiant" nature of his face due to that. Although, I myself don't have very deep eye sockets, they are deeper compared to my brother's as his eyes bulge out more.

It seems Aryan traits were distributed evenly among us. How tf is this even possible?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 17, 2023, 02:49:44 am
"It seems Aryan traits were distributed evenly among us. How tf is this even possible?"

Surely what you describe is what we would expect from random reproduction? If (contrary to what you describe) mixed blood had the ability to self-sort into pure Aryans and pure non-Aryans in the following generation, Aryanization breeding programs would be unnecessary!
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest98 on April 26, 2023, 05:03:18 pm
nbc news anchor Lester Holt:

https://www.tvinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15-27-5078.jpg

I don't know who to remove.

edit: I'm not sure how to put the picture directly in my post, sorry.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: antihellenistic on April 26, 2023, 07:15:45 pm
@m94r

(https://www.tvinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/15-27-5078.jpg)

He is pretty Aryan on facial shape

See my personal message to you to know how to put the picture into a post
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest98 on April 27, 2023, 02:04:59 pm
Ok, i suggest removing https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg16928/#msg16928:

Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 27, 2023, 04:48:25 pm
Firstly, just posting the link to the post will do. There is no need to repost the picture.

As for the faces, I would say that when both were young, Davidson looked far better:

(https://alchetron.com/cdn/jaye-davidson-a590cc44-d686-4235-b110-9cda5b1a689-resize-750.jpeg)

In particular, Holt has a wider chin:

(https://www.adweek.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2015/05/LesterHoltRanchoCordovaHS_Featured.jpg)

whereas Davidson's only chin flaw is the slight cleft.

On the other hand, Davidson aged terribly:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4yp3IlWAAE3C7x.jpg)

whereas Holt aged relatively well. So it depends on whether you want to compare them at their best or compare their longer trajectory over time. (Looking at the last picture, note Davidson's relatively small facial hair area. The genetic potential was definitely there......)

Does anyone else have an opinion on this?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest98 on April 28, 2023, 02:17:09 pm
"(Looking at the last picture, note Davidson's relatively small facial hair area. The genetic potential was definitely there......)"

The genetic potential to became aryanized/perfected? @90srf
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 28, 2023, 03:05:36 pm
In that particular trait, at least.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: guest98 on April 28, 2023, 03:21:05 pm
So if someone has a large facial hair area its not possible for them to aryanize the lower half of their face? Or they can aryanize only to a certain extent, whereas someone with no facial hair could  aryanize the lower half of their face to full perfection?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 28, 2023, 04:38:27 pm
I think they are separate phenomena. It should be technically possible to breed gracile skull + large facial hair area, or robust skull + small facial hair area. But our racial ideal just happens to be gracile skull + small facial hair area, since this is the combination of maximal neoteny.

We should try to co-opt the term "neckbeard" and use it to refer to the inferior low-neoteny bloodlines that produce large facial hair areas.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on April 28, 2023, 06:29:25 pm
Yes. Neckbeards primarily refer to "White" redditors. However, more and more redditors are being exposed as ethnic chauvinists, so neckbeards have already become associated with "White" ethnic chauvinism to an extent.

"robust skull + small facial hair area"
I think some Chinese men would fall into this category, for example, Jack Ma.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: christianbethel on May 21, 2023, 01:56:09 pm
I propose the Fuhrer again: (https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/getting-boot-9292733.jpg)

Boot Jourdan Dunn.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 23, 2023, 08:57:20 pm
(Why would you post this particular picture of Hitler in which he has already aged terribly (even worse than Davidson)?)

New rule: we will only accept examples born after the end of WWII.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: HikariDude on May 23, 2023, 09:26:10 pm
I think to make it fair we should accept examples that are currently living, and each already accepted individual that dies will be booted, leaving one available spot.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: SirGalahad on May 23, 2023, 09:33:57 pm
@90sRetroFan You mentioned that Jaye Davidson aged poorly. I was watching the original Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory movie from 1971 with someone I know who likes the movie, and I find it fun to look up cherished child actors to see how they aged. To my surprise, the boy who played Charlie (Peter Ostrum) aged pretty well, at least in terms of face shape (and a thousand times better than Hitler):

(https://www.dailyactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/peter-ostrum-charlie-willy-wonka.jpg)
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/getting-boot-9292733.jpg)

The mustache and receding hairline aren’t ideal though. What do you think? I’m hesitant to kick anyone out in favor of him, lest Eurocentrism be reintroduced into this thread. I think that a good number of white-passing people have already been seriously proposed in proportion to the the rest of our current proposals. I just stumbled upon Peter Ostrum as an example randomly, and thought it was worth sharing
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 23, 2023, 10:03:03 pm
"I think to make it fair we should accept examples that are currently living, and each already accepted individual that dies will be booted, leaving one available spot."

I disagree. What is fair about disqualifying someone just because they died in the temporal world? Our club is supposed to exist outside of the temporal world.

"The mustache and receding hairline aren’t ideal though. What do you think?"

His nose became heavier from maturation, which is why he looked better as a child than as an adult. (If I just look at the photo of him as a child and use that to imagine what I would expect him to look like as an adult, and then compare with what he actually looks like as an adult, I feel quite disappointed.) I also dislike his downward eyebrows. Let's put it this way: his face is not one that I would use in propaganda whose purpose is to demonstrate that the best oval faces look better than the best non-oval faces. (The faces we post in this topic should all try to be faces that we could use in such propaganda.)

"I’m hesitant to kick anyone out in favor of him"

We've been trying to get rid of Dunn for almost two months now, so why not her?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: HikariDude on May 24, 2023, 03:02:57 pm
"Our club is supposed to exist outside of the temporal world."

I figured what I said was a little too materialistic, but why post-WWII?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 24, 2023, 06:43:10 pm
It is arbitrary, but was decided in reaction to christianbethel's recent post:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg19725/#msg19725

Also, Dunn has finally been moved to:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-turanism/

Now would you (or anyone else) like to propose someone who can boot Ostrum? Again, this topic isn't supposed to be about borderline cases, but is supposed to be about the best we can find.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: HikariDude on May 24, 2023, 06:58:33 pm
Fair enough. If I had to propose someone, it would be Anna Kumble (a.k.a. Lolly):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXIPQBXHS7I

and to boot:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17560/#msg17560

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https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-b0xzMpjmsTM/UTo0S3KaD4I/AAAAAAAABjM/FPxy6TnvlZw/s1600/Amrita+Rao+Photos+5.jpg
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 24, 2023, 07:23:34 pm
Now we wait to see if rp wants to defend his choice.

Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: SirGalahad on May 25, 2023, 12:00:29 am
Rakim should be next to be booted. I find his lower facial features way too heavy

Hrithik Roshan is probably the worst male that we currently have on here. He’s too masculine, and he’s not anywhere close to being ectomorphic. Definitely a mesomorph. Hrithik Roshan would be considered a Chad by incels. He should honestly be kicked without even waiting for a replacement, and looking at more images of him on the internet just makes me more comfortable in that assessment. I know we had that one high quality picture of him plastered on the main website, but I think that he just had a really good photographer for that one picture, who managed to make his phenotype look far better than it actually is in reality

Edward Norton is also someone we should consider booting next. Other than that, I think our choices so far have been pretty good, and deserve to stay

I still maintain that my choice of Peter Ostrum aged well. He had the Aryan phenotype as a child and still has the characteristic oval shape despite being past middle age. But I’m still eager to see if you guys can find a good replacement for him in terms of face shape, that at the very least doesn’t have his receding hairline. That alone knocks the look of permanent youthfulness our candidates should have, down by a couple of points

Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 25, 2023, 03:48:30 am
"Hrithik Roshan is probably the worst male that we currently have on here."

I will take this as a claim that Ostrum is able to boot Roshan. I disagree.

"he just had a really good photographer for that one picture, who managed to make his phenotype look far better than it actually is in reality"

Let's compare using videos, then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_josCDB7e9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG5Xs3l9HLA

I would say Roshan wins on eyebrows alone. Recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-eyebrows/

Ostrum's eyebrows seem glued around his eye sockets and barely move at all as he talks, whereas Roshan's eyebrows seem to be in motion in almost every shot.

Roshan's facial features are lighter overall. Roshan's nose takes up less room inside the face. Roshan's mouth is proportionately narrower than even 12-year-old Ostrum's!

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/27/article-0-0C4D47B800000578-975_306x423.jpg)

(https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2020/01/22/Hrithik-Roshan--3--1579703264814_16fcda6e62f_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on May 25, 2023, 06:20:21 am
" Definitely a mesomorph. Hrithik Roshan would be considered a Chad by incels."
This is why I didn't post any pictures with his body in view. Since the topic was "Facial Aryanism" I thought it would be fine to post actors with non-Aryan bodies and Aryan faces. (BTW, I theorize that Mesomorphy + Aryan face is a product of Turanian/Aryan blood mixing). As far as him being considered a "chad", that is only because of his body (which I have excluded) and his "White" features that the Eurocentrist HBDers and incels worship (green eyes, brown hair, etc.) and mistakenly call "Aryan" as they believe these traits are from the Turanian steppe*. To counter this, we have included celebrities from South India with Aryan faces to show that those with Turanian blood/"White" features are not necessarily more "Aryan" in appearance (since South India is less Turanized than North India, the latter of which Roshan is from).

*BTW, the incels/HBDers assumption isn't even correct. Many have theorized that green eyes developed independently in the IVC.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: SirGalahad on May 25, 2023, 06:42:33 am
@90sRetroFan He looks much better in that video, I’ll give you that. And I agree with your criticisms of Peter Ostrum. However, I feel like Hrithik Roshan is undeniably way too masculine in all the recent pictures I see of him, and his somatotype has noticably beefed up:

(https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/resizemode-4,width-1200,height-900,msid-94471757/94471757.jpg)
(https://img.etimg.com/photo/96878898/96878898.jpg)
(https://assets.gqindia.com/photos/5de8c8451d798400088dbd98/1:1/w_1080,h_1080,c_limit/Hrithik%20Roshan.jpg)

And keep in mind that Hrithik Roshan is clean shaven in that video, and it’s likely an older act of his being reposted as well, so age also might be a factor. Plus, he has a large facial hair area. He has a full beard, whereas I have a feeling that Peter Ostrum is only really capable of that single mustache.

The source for the third picture even mentions how he has been nominated the sexiest “Asian” man of the decade. And I’m not exactly surprised that women have apparently reached a democratic consensus on that, because as I mentioned before, show his picture to any incel forum and they’ll immediate reach their own democratic consensus that he’s a Chad. Anyone unanimously considered a Chad, especially by non-Aryans (whether incel or not), should be immediately disqualified, with or without a proposed replacement

@rp “ This is why I didn't post any pictures with his body in view. Since the topic was ‘Facial Aryanism’ I thought it would be fine to post actors with non-Aryan bodies and Aryan faces.”

That’s fair. But if anything, maybe this is a sign that the Facial Aryanism thread and our current club discussion, should be two separate threads. If we’re fantasizing about a full-blown club, then we’d be factoring in their entire expressed phenotype

“(BTW, I theorize that Mesomorphy + Aryan face is a product of Turanian/Aryan blood mixing)”

I’d like to see more examples of Aryan-leaning face + non-Aryan body. Would be interesting to see if that’s a real genetic trend. And in your defense, he does have a noticeably more ectomorphic body in the video that 90sRetroFan just posted. Aging is weird. It seems like sometimes, certain genes just take literal decades to finally express themselves. Or maybe it’s not necessarily aging, but him deciding to spend a lot of time working out and building muscle, as is evident in his recent pictures
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 25, 2023, 04:36:17 pm
"he has a large facial hair area."

I agree. This is a major flaw of his.

"I have a feeling that Peter Ostrum is only really capable of that single mustache."

I disagree:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Peter_Ostrum_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg)

I see Ostrum's facial hair area extend upwards to wrap around his cheekbone, whereas Roshan's does not reach that high, only forming a line from the corner of his mouth to his earlobe. Ostrum's facial hair area is merely more uneven, with missing patches (similar to his head hair!).

But even if for the sake of argument Ostrum were given the win on facial hair area, I would not consider it enough to singlehandedly compensate for his eyebrows/nose/etc..

"Anyone unanimously considered a Chad, especially by non-Aryans (whether incel or not), should be immediately disqualified"

Why? According to the 80-20 rule, a Chad is simply anyone in the top 20% of looks:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/does-apos-chad-apos-mean-010140962.html

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In simple terms, the top 80 percent of females get access to the top 20 percent of males. This could be expanded in further detail by saying that the bottom 80 percent of males are left to fight for the bottom 20 percent of females.

Are you claiming that Aryan faces can never be in the top 20%??

"I’d like to see more examples of Aryan-leaning face + non-Aryan body."

I know other examples (including old main site examples) who have not been posted in this topic so far (but by bringing them in we would have to do so as challenges - are we ready to do that yet?), but of those already posted, I suggest Kumble. Note the arms and torso:

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cEhxrvha5Co/UcyUmEj4trI/AAAAAAAAOaw/KiOv4as5Qzw/s618/Lolly+PNG+Version.png)

(https://i2-prod.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article78969.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/the-former-birmingham-pop-singer-lolly-performing-nine-years-ago-308653737.jpg)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/NINTCHDBPICT000714101582.jpg)

Also, since rp showed up but did not comment on Kumble vs Rao, am I supposed to take it that he has no disagreement with HikariDude?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tsyn7_mYjQ
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on May 25, 2023, 05:20:26 pm
I just saw HikariDude's comment. Yes, I have also been wanting to boot Rao for a long time as her face is on the shorter/robust side.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: SirGalahad on May 25, 2023, 05:31:28 pm
@90sRetroFan “Are you claiming that Aryan faces can never be in the top 20%??”

Maybe not, if people judge sex appeal more on body than they do face, and if they do to what degree. But I think past a certain point, a person’s face is so oval, that we can make assumptions with almost 100% certainty about what the rest of their body looks like. If you were presented with a face like this:

(https://www.famousbirthdays.com/faces/ostrum-peter-image.jpg)

what are the odds that they’d have a body that looks like, or is capable of becoming like this:

(https://img.mensxp.com/media/content/2021/Jan/Hrithik-Roshan-Is-A-Grooming-God1400_5ffaddc80014f.jpeg)

Peter Ostrum’s face transposed realistically onto Hrithik Roshan’s current body, would still just look ridiculous. I think that Peter Ostrum’s trend towards ectomorphy makes up somewhat for some of his flaws. And in some pictures, Hrithik Roshan’s face doesn’t look Aryan-leaning to me at all, even when his face is (mostly) clean shaven (I know from experience that beards make your skull shape look way different than it actually is):

(https://flxt.tmsimg.com/assets/238324_v9_bb.jpg)

His nose looks heavier in the above picture as well

Like I mentioned before, I think that a Facial Aryanism thread is useful for the reasons that you and RP mentioned, BUT I think that our Club thread could serve as its own separate thread. If this were a real life club, I would be factoring in body type as well, so that the aesthetics are clear and in harmony. I do think that Peter Ostrum is in the club for a very short visit though, depending on how fast you guys are at finding a replacement

@rp I think that Anna Kumble’s face has become heavier with age as well, if we look at more recent pictures of her
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 25, 2023, 06:20:26 pm
"His nose looks heavier in the above picture as well"

Still not as heavy as Ostrum's, surely? Ostrum's nose almost fills the space between his eyes, whereas Roshan's occupies only about 1/3.

In other words, Roshan gives me the impression that he could still evolve further in the correct direction, while Ostrum has already taken a fatal wrong turn. Ostrum's face is one that, despite not being a product of surgical trimming, has the same problems that surgically trimmed oval faces have, as explained here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/face-shapes-and-preferences/msg12262/#msg12262

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A genetically non-Aryan face can be trimmed into an artificial oval like this:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRjRRYpjUItnGkb8wPCd0xeMM_lzt2IgVrU7A&usqp=CAU)

The procedure only affects the outer perimeter, thus the internal facial features remain proportioned for the genetically more robust face, hence look off-balance inside the fake oval. Aesthetically, the fake oval fails to convey the impression of nobility that a true Aryan face delivers effortlessly:

(https://img1.baidu.com/it/u=3021485224,2899834606&fm=253&fmt=auto&app=138&f=JPEG?w=459&h=500)

Indeed, note the facial similarities between 'After' and 12-year-old Ostrum(!):

Quote
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/27/article-0-0C4D47B800000578-975_306x423.jpg)

"I do think that Peter Ostrum is in the club for a very short visit though, depending on how fast you guys are at finding a replacement"

Fine, I'm bringing in:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-afghanistan-1612/msg16723/#msg16723

Quote
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DX0SlxGCNLE/W2EvZLDwc6I/AAAAAAAApmc/DfFh2gqKOZw3xScW9y-cRFtfmhOL2m3qQCLcBGAs/s1600/A%2BScene%2Bat%2Bthe%2BSea%2B0f.png)

Young:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlwRR3p6sM

Old:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtY1b_CP7Eo
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: HikariDude on May 25, 2023, 06:36:31 pm
I don't know how heavy Kumble's face is here, but here's an MV from 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEoLgN4jkg

The jaw is a little square, but at least it lasted.

If I suggest Chinen instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV8dsvS-zeQ

would you boot both Rao and Kumble?

The MV appears to be what took place in a farm, which promotes this agrarian inspired nightclub. Aside from her simple (though feminine) outfits. She looked romantic in the rain with her red dress.

I was thinking of suggesting a Perfume MV or CM to put in:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-turanism/

To contrast with Chinen's MV.

I suggested Chinen, because at least she looks like her younger days in this post:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmlJ6YBIaCn/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

contrasted with how Lolly aged. Note how she retained her narrow features.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 25, 2023, 07:35:46 pm
I love the Be Yourself MV, but you could have posted it here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/

"She looked romantic in the rain with her red dress."

Yes, but surely not because of her face!
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: SirGalahad on May 25, 2023, 11:21:47 pm
“Fine, I'm bringing in:”

Alright, that will do. The thing that I like about him as opposed to Peter Ostrum, is that his side profile is pretty good as well. Peter Ostrum’s face shape looks good from the front, but his side profile looks iffy in some modern pictures. It hits different when the model embodies the statement “Every side is my good side.” What’s his name, for the sake of keeping track of the club members?

Also, who’s the person clasping the cup? Have they already been proposed here? Their face is also an extremely good example
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: christianbethel on May 26, 2023, 12:20:09 pm
(Why would you post this particular picture of Hitler in which he has already aged terribly (even worse than Davidson)?)

New rule: we will only accept examples born after the end of WWII.
I was just trying to help.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on June 27, 2023, 09:48:27 pm
Also regarding Roshan's beefed up physique, it is most likely due to anabolic steroids, which many Bollywood actors are known to use in order to fit their roles.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on July 12, 2023, 01:36:03 am
"Are you claiming that Aryan faces can never be in the top 20%??"
I see what what you are saying, but wouldn't an incels top 20% be different from an Aryanist's?
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 12, 2023, 01:57:27 am
There is surely enough room in the top 20% to accomodate both their preferred types and ours. The top 20% is a lot of people! The number of leading actors as a % of the total population in any country is not even 0.2%! Yet among leading actors we can already find their preferred types as well as ours.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on August 05, 2023, 06:27:00 pm
Indian actor Shah Rukh Khan, plays Asoka Maurya in "Asoka":
(https://play-lh.googleusercontent.com/proxy/vh-ZRcpUZwqBSAzZUBXmY-kGjr5zmN7gk3N-mTirKKQpmfqVSA4vXXMWa9ywZMYiNCABx3MHkIwzgTRvK2h5Ex5HRY8NXE15PjjFDrVeG-UZDcyDNQ=s1920-w1920-h1080)

To replace:
Maybe Ncuti Gatwa, though his nose is on the short side.
(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/85b/d25/db9a9c0766cc6c437638311bfc68e8ff5d-13-ncuti-gatwa-color.rvertical.w570.jpg)
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 05, 2023, 10:02:19 pm
Please post a music video.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on August 05, 2023, 10:22:02 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSy6xPm_Tpo
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on August 05, 2023, 11:28:04 pm
Returning to this post:
"Hrithik Roshan is probably the worst male that we currently have on here."

I will take this as a claim that Ostrum is able to boot Roshan. I disagree.

"he just had a really good photographer for that one picture, who managed to make his phenotype look far better than it actually is in reality"

Let's compare using videos, then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_josCDB7e9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG5Xs3l9HLA

I would say Roshan wins on eyebrows alone. Recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-eyebrows/

Ostrum's eyebrows seem glued around his eye sockets and barely move at all as he talks, whereas Roshan's eyebrows seem to be in motion in almost every shot.

Roshan's facial features are lighter overall. Roshan's nose takes up less room inside the face. Roshan's mouth is proportionately narrower than even 12-year-old Ostrum's!

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/27/article-0-0C4D47B800000578-975_306x423.jpg)

(https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2020/01/22/Hrithik-Roshan--3--1579703264814_16fcda6e62f_large.jpg)

Notice how skeletally gracile Roshan is. This is why the dance moves in the video are executed so gracefully by him. Contrast to Western dance (e.g. ballet) where the movements are much more rigid, hence would be suited for robust skeletal types.

Also note how much more slim he is in the video compared to the other photos. This might indicate that he is not quite mesomorphic after all. In fact, I suspect that he falls between an ectomorph and mesomorph. Pure mesomorphy would be quite rare in the Indian population as they are maladapted to a meat heavy diet, which is the main source of muscle building.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on August 05, 2023, 11:55:41 pm
Better MV for SRK:
https://youtu.be/AEIVhBS6baE
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 06, 2023, 05:03:24 pm
guest90 does not appear to be around, so does anyone else want to defend Gatwa?

"Contrast to Western dance (e.g. ballet) where the movements are much more rigid, hence would be suited for robust skeletal types."

I don't think this is accurate:

https://www.moretothepointe.com.au/thumbnaillarge/iStock-155429877.jpg
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on August 06, 2023, 05:24:13 pm
So the dancers do appear to be gracile, but the movements themselves are rigid. This is why IMO it is so unpleasant to look at.
Title: Re: Facial Aryanism
Post by: rp on August 06, 2023, 05:43:47 pm
Here is another pic where he makes another actor, Vijay (far left), look subhuman, in comparison:
(https://c.ndtvimg.com/2023-01/t3ckr4oo_srk-_625x300_04_January_23.jpg?im=Resize=(1230,900))


Face > Height.
Short (albeit not robust) face is a negative force multiplier on ectomorphs when the subject is taller.

This height obsession needs to stop IMO. BTW, as evidenced by Vijay (a South Indian actor) this phenomenon is not restricted to North India.