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Title: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 03, 2020, 12:20:49 am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bwZPIzuug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICS32kady4

Rightists frequently talk about how non-Western civilizations "hunted N species to extinction". Indeed they did, but perhaps they ended up inadvertently doing all those species a favour by making them extinct before Western civilization could get its sustainable hands on them and keep them going endlessly to be hunted over and over again for the pleasure of Westerners, with no possibility of escape*.

Truly, Westerners are created in the image of Yahweh.

(* Unless, of course, Western civilization itself dies. Which is what we are here to ensure.)

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Even caviar has been made sustainable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKqwBzQFRws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQWeO5wMekQ

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Let's remind ourselves about egg factories, courtesy of Western civilization:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming#History

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The discovery of antibiotics and vaccines facilitated raising livestock in larger numbers by reducing disease. Chemicals developed for use in World War II gave rise to synthetic pesticides.
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The major milestone in 20th century poultry production was the discovery of vitamin D, which made it possible to keep chickens in confinement year-round. Before this, chickens did not thrive during the winter (due to lack of sunlight), and egg production, incubation, and meat production in the off-season were all very difficult, making poultry a seasonal and expensive proposition.
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At the same time, egg production was increased by scientific breeding. After a few false starts, (such as the Maine Experiment Station's failure at improving egg production) success was shown by Professor Dryden at the Oregon Experiment Station.[21]
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In 1900, average egg production was 83 eggs per hen per year. In 2000, it was well over 300.

Many things are not meant to be discovered. But Westerners do not care about this. And it is their victims who have to live with the consequences:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_cage

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Original battery cages extended the technology used in battery brooders, which were cages with a wire mesh floor and integral heating elements for brooding chicks. The wire floor allowed the manure to pass through, removing it from the chicks' environment and reducing the risk of manure-borne diseases.

Early battery cages were often used for selecting hens based on performance, since it is easy to track how many eggs each hen is laying if only one hen is placed in a cage. Later, this was combined with artificial insemination, giving a technique where each egg's parentage is known. This method is still used today.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling

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Chick culling is the process of killing newly hatched poultry for which the industry has no use. It occurs in all industrialised egg production whether free range, organic, or battery cage—including that of the UK and US. Because male chickens do not lay eggs and only those on breeding programmes are required to fertilise eggs, they are considered redundant to the egg-laying industries and are usually killed shortly after being sexed, which occurs after they hatch.[1] Many methods of culling do not involve anaesthetics and include cervical dislocation, asphyxiation by carbon dioxide and maceration using a high speed grinder.
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Prior to the development of modern broiler meat breeds, most male chickens (cockerels) were slaughtered for meat, whereas females (pullets) would be kept for egg production. However, once[when?] the industry bred separate meat and egg-producing hybrids, there was no reason to keep males of the egg-producing hybrid. As a consequence, the males of egg-laying chickens are killed as soon as possible after hatching and sexing to reduce losses incurred by the breeder. Special techniques have been developed to accurately determine the sex of chicks at as young an age as possible.

As of 2018, worldwide around 7 billion day-old male chicks were culled per year in the egg industry.[1]

Chicks are also culled in the production of foie gras. After hatching, the ducklings are sexed. Males put on more weight than females, so the females are killed, sometimes in an industrial macerator. Up to 40 million female ducks per year may be killed in this way. The remains of female ducklings are later used in cat food, fertilisers and in the pharmaceutical industry.[5]
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Several methods are used to cull chicks:
Maceration; the chicks are placed into a large high-speed grinder.[2]
Cervical dislocation; the neck is broken.
Electrocution; an electric current is passed through the chick's body until it is dead.[6]
Suffocation; the chicks are placed in plastic bags.[7]
Gases or gas mixtures; carbon dioxide is used to induce unconsciousness and then death.[2]

But the culled chicks are the lucky ones compared to those kept alive:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debeaking

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Debeaking is the partial removal of the beak of poultry, especially layer hens and turkeys although it may also be performed on quail and ducks. Most commonly, the beak is shortened permanently, although regrowth can occur. The trimmed lower beak is somewhat longer than the upper beak.

Beak trimming is most common in egg-laying strains of chickens. ... Beak trimming is a preventive measure to reduce damage caused by injurious pecking such as cannibalism, feather pecking and vent pecking, and thereby improve livability.[2]
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Opponents of beak trimming state that the practice reduces problem pecking by minor amounts compared to the trauma, injury, and harm done to the entire flock by beak trimming.
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In close confinement, cannibalism, feather pecking and aggression are common among turkeys, ducks, pheasants, quail, and chickens of many breeds (including both heritage breeds and modern hybrids) kept for eggs.
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Beak trimming was developed at the Ohio Experiment Station in the 1930s.[10] The original technique was temporary, cutting approximately 6 mm (1/4 inch) off the beak. It was thought that the tip of the beak had no blood supply and presumably no sensation. The procedure was performed by hand with a sharp knife, either when deaths due to cannibalism became excessive, or when the problem was anticipated because of a history of cannibalism in the particular strain of chicken.

Cannibalism is a serious management problem dating back to the periods before intensive housing of poultry became popular. Poultry books written before vertical integration of the poultry industry describe the abnormal pecking of poultry:

Chicks and adult birds' picking at each other until blood shows and then destroying one another by further picking is a source of great loss in many flocks, especially when kept in confinement .... The recommendation of the Ohio Experiment Station of cutting back the tip of the upper beak has been found to be effective until the beak grows out again.[11]

Cannibalism has two peaks in the life of a chicken; during the brooding period and at the onset of egg laying. The point-of-lay cannibalism is generally the most damaging and gets most of the attention. The temporary beak trimming developed at the Ohio Experiment Station assumed that cannibalism was a phase, and that blunting the beak temporarily would be adequate.
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In recent years, the aim has been to develop more permanent beak trimming (although repeat trimming may be required), using electrically heated blades in a beak trimming machine, to provide a self-cauterizing cut. There are currently (2012) four widely used methods of beak trimming: hot blade, cold blade (including scissors or secateurs), electrical (the Bio-beaker) and infrared. The latter two methods usually remove only the tip of the beak and do not leave an open wound, therefore they may offer improvements in welfare. Other approaches such as the use of lasers, freeze drying and chemical retardation have been investigated but are not in widespread use.[12] The infrared method directs a strong source of heat into the inner tissue of the beak and after a few weeks, the tip of the upper and lower beak dies and drops off making the beak shorter with blunt tips. The Bio-beaker, which uses an electric current to burn a small hole in the upper beak, is the preferred method for trimming the beaks of turkeys.[13] The Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC) wrote regarding beak trimming of turkeys that cold cutting was the most accurate method, but that substantial re-growth of the beak occurred; although the Bio-beaker limited beak re-growth, it was less accurate. It was considered that the hot cut was the most distressing procedure for turkeys.[1]

In the UK, beak trimming of layer hens normally occurs at 1-day of age at the same time as the chick is being sexed and vaccinated.
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The costs of beak trimming relate primarily to welfare concerns. These include acute stress, and acute, possibly chronic, pain following trimming. A bird’s ability to consume food is impaired following beak trimming because of the new beak shape and pain. Most studies report reduced body weights and feed intake following beak trimming
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Beak trimming in the poultry industry usually occurs without anaesthetic at 1-day of age or when the chicks are very young, but can occur at a later age if an outbreak of feather pecking occurs, and in some cases, birds may be beak trimmed on repeated occasions.
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The beak is a complex, functional organ with an extensive nervous supply including nociceptors that sense pain and noxious stimuli.[23][24] These would almost certainly be stimulated during beak trimming, indicating strongly that acute pain would be experienced. Behavioural evidence of pain after beak trimming in layer hen chicks has been based on the observed reduction in pecking behavior, reduced activity and social behavior, and increased sleep duration.[25][26][27][28] In Japanese quail, beak-trimming by cauterization caused lower body weights and feed intake in the period just after beak trimming.[20] Beak trimmed Muscovy ducks spent less time engaging in beak-related behaviours (preening, feeding, drinking, exploratory pecking) and more time resting than non-trimmed ducks in the days immediately post-trim.
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Severe beak trimming, or beak trimming birds at an older age is thought to cause chronic pain. Following beak trimming of older or adult hens, the nociceptors in the beak stump show abnormal patterns of neural discharge, which indicate acute pain.[23][32][33][34] Neuromas, tangled masses of swollen regenerating axon sprouts,[35] are found in the healed stumps of birds beak trimmed at 5 weeks of age or older and in severely beak trimmed birds.[36] Neuromas have been associated with phantom pain in human amputees and have therefore been linked to chronic pain in beak trimmed birds.

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It has been shown that domestic hens have iron mineral deposits in the dendrites in the upper beak and are capable of magnetoreception.[34][35] Because hens use directional information from the magnetic field of the earth to orient in relatively small areas, this raises the possibility that beak-trimming impairs the ability of hens to orient in extensive systems, or move in and out of buildings in free-range systems.[36]

A further negative aspect of beak-trimming is that it leaves birds less able to groom themselves effectively, thus beak-trimmed hens have greater ectoparasite burdens than hens with intact beaks.[37]

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At approximately 16 weeks of age, pullets (hens which have not yet started to lay) are placed into cages. In countries with relevant legislation, floor space for battery cages ranges upwards from 300 cm2 per bird. EU standards in 2003 called for at least 550 cm2 per hen.[30] In the US, the current recommendation by the United Egg Producers is 67 to 86 in2 (430 to 560 cm2) per bird.[31] The space available to each hen in a battery cage has often been described as less than the size of a sheet of A4 paper (624 cm2).[32] Others have commented that a typical cage is about the size of a filing cabinet drawer and holds eight to 10 hens.[13][33]

Behavioural studies showed that when turning, hens used 540 to 1006 cm2, when stretching wings 653 to 1118 cm2, when wing flapping 860 to 1980 cm2, when feather ruffling 676 to 1604 cm2, when preening 814 to 1240 cm2, and when ground scratching 540 to 1005 cm2.[34] A space allowance of 550 cm2 would prevent hens in battery cages from performing these behaviours without touching another hen. Animal welfare scientists have been critical of battery cages because of these space restrictions[35] and it is widely considered that hens suffer boredom and frustration when unable to perform these behaviours.[36] Spatial restriction can lead to a wide range of abnormal behaviours, some of which are injurious to the hens or their cagemates.
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To reduce the harmful effects of feather pecking, cannibalism and vent-pecking, hens in battery cages (and other housing systems) are often kept at low light intensities (e.g. less than 10 lux). Low light intensities may be associated with welfare costs to the hens as they prefer to eat in brightly lit environments[37] and prefer brightly lit areas for active behaviour but dim (less than 10 lux) for inactive behaviour.[38] Dimming the lights can also cause problems when the intensity is then abruptly increased temporarily to inspect the hens; this has been associated as a risk factor of increased feather pecking[39] and the birds can become frightened resulting in panic-type ("hysteria") reactions which can increase the risk of injury.

Being indoors, hens in battery cages do not see sunlight. Whilst there is no scientific evidence for this being a welfare problem, some animal advocates indicate it is a concern.[40][41] Furnished cages and some other non-cage indoor systems would also prevent hens seeing natural light throughout their lives.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feather_pecking#Light_manipulations

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In turkeys, low light intensities (perhaps in combination with long light phases) can cause retinal detachment and buphthalmia, a distortion of the eye morphology that can lead to blindness.[42][43]

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Several studies have indicated that toward the end of the laying phase (approximately 72 weeks of age), a combination of high calcium demand for egg production and a lack of exercise can lead to osteoporosis. This can occur in all housing systems for egg laying hens, but is particularly prevalent in battery cage systems where it has sometimes been called 'cage layer osteoporosis'.[42] Osteoporosis leads to the skeleton becoming fragile and an increased risk of bone breakage, particularly in the legs and keel bone. Fractures may occur whilst the hens are in the cage and these are usually discovered at depopulation as old, healed breaks, or they might be fresh breaks which occurred during the process of depopulation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting

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Forced molting, sometimes known as induced molting, is the practice by some poultry industries of artificially provoking a flock to molt simultaneously, typically by withdrawing food for 7–14 days and sometimes also withdrawing water for an extended period. Forced molting is usually implemented when egg-production is naturally decreasing toward the end of the first egg-laying phase. During the forced molt, the birds cease producing eggs for at least two weeks, which allows the bird's reproductive tracts to regress and rejuvenate. After the molt, the hen's egg production rate usually peaks slightly lower than the previous peak, but egg quality is improved. The purpose of forced molting is therefore to increase egg production, egg quality, and profitability of flocks in their second or subsequent laying phases, by not allowing the hen's body the necessary time to rejuvenate during the natural cycle of feather replenishment.
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Commercial hens usually begin laying eggs at 16–20 weeks of age, although production gradually declines soon after from approximately 25 weeks of age.[2] This means that in many countries, by approximately 72 weeks of age, flocks are considered economically unviable and are slaughtered after approximately 12 months of egg production,[3] although chickens will naturally live for 6 or more years. However, in some countries, rather than being slaughtered, the hens are force molted to re-invigorate egg-laying for a second, and sometimes subsequent, laying phase.

Forced molting simulates the natural process where chickens grow a new set of feathers in the Autumn, a process generally accompanied by a sharp reduction or cessation of egg production. Natural molting is stimulated by shortening day lengths combined with stress (of any kind). Before confinement housing with artificial lights was the norm, the Autumn molt caused a seasonal scarcity of eggs and high market prices. Farmers attempted to pamper their flocks to prevent the molt as long as possible, to take advantage of the high prices. Modern controlled-environment confinement housing has the opposite problem; the hens are not normally presented with sufficient stress or cues to go into molt naturally. However, after laying almost daily for nearly a year, their rate of egg production declines, as does the quality of the eggshell and the egg contents. In addition, the hens are overweight.[citation needed]

It is sometimes claimed that forced molting is an artifact of modern intensive farming, but the practice predates the vertical integration of the poultry industry by decades; former Head of the Poultry Science Department at the University of Maryland, Morley A. Jull prescribes a precise molting program in his 1938 book, Poultry Husbandry.[4]
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For a complete recovery of the reproductive tract, the hen's body weight must drop by 30 to 35 percent during the forced molt. This is typically achieved by withdrawing the hen's feed for 7–14 days, sometimes up to 28 days.[5] This induces the birds to lose their feathers, cease to lay eggs and lose body-weight.[6][7] Some programs combine feed withdrawal with a period of water withdrawal. Most programs also restrict the amount of lighting to provide a daylight period that is too short to stimulate egg production, providing a simulated autumn, the natural time of molt and minimum egg production.

Remember: Westerners are created in the image of Yahweh.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 03, 2020, 12:28:01 am
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Now the neocons are complaining that "non-whites" do not enjoy hands-on violence against animals enough:

themeateater.com/hunt/big-game/is-hunting-too-white

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Whether you see a hunter sitting in a treestand, crouching in a duck blind or bugling bulls on a mountainside, you can predict something with 91% certainty: You’re looking at a white guy of European stock.

You can also bet the guy has rural or small-town roots, and that he and his buddies are more passionate about hunting than any other demographic group sociologists can identify by race or ethnic heritage. In fact, researchers at universities and wildlife agencies have been documenting those details with little variance for decades.
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In the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s most recent participation study of hunting, fishing and wildlife watching, the agency found 11.5 million Americans hunted at least once in 2016. Of those hunters, 11.1 million—96%—were white and 3% were Hispanic. Blacks and Asians made up most of the remaining 1%, but at levels too low to pinpoint participation rates.
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“Our studies and other researchers’ surveys of African Americans consistently find that hunting and other outdoor recreation just isn’t part of their families’ heritage,” Duda said. “If it truly takes a hunter to make a hunter, the challenges look daunting. Few African-American families include someone to pass down a hunting tradition.

This is a good thing! They should be proud of it! Instead they are being shamed for it by Westerners.

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“We need more inclusiveness,” Dillard said. “If you’re a black hunter, and you watch TV hunting shows, or pick up an outdoors magazine or catalog, you feel intimidated when no one looks like you. The hunting industry has done a wonderful job including women and children, but I sense discomfort about including people of color.” John Annoni, founder and director of a hunting/conservation program in Allentown, Pennsylvania, has introduced over 6,500 urban students in grades 5 through 12 to outdoor activities since launching Camp Compass in 1994. The program helps students learn about conservation, outdoor careers and hunters’ philosophies.

Annoni said he wants students to learn to love the outdoors so much that no contrary attitude deters them from hunting, fishing and other outdoor recreation.

“I get to see a rainbow every day because I see a plethora of kids who never had a chance to hunt, but now want to hunt and like to hunt,” Annoni said. “But we can’t do it alone, and no company or organization can hire one outreach person and think they’ll reach all people of color. The ‘inclusive’ piece is still often missing from the puzzle.”

Annoni also said hunters shouldn’t be quick to congratulate themselves for taking their own kids hunting. “Taking your child hunting is your obligation,” he said. “You can’t pat yourself on the back for something you should be doing. We need long-term programs where hunters work as hard for kids as they do for habitat, elk, deer, ducks or turkeys. When we see two black kids hunting with three white kids on TV and on weekend hunts, that’s when we’ll start breaking down the fears and stereotypes that hold things back.”

OK, who wants to hunt Annoni?

Related:

www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/042549v1

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Vegans rely almost exclusively on endogenous synthesis to generate LCPUFA and we hypothesized that an adaptive genetic polymorphism would confer advantage. The rs66698963 polymorphism, a 22 bp insertion-deletion within FADS2, is associated with basal FADS1 expression, and coordinated induction of FADS1 and FADS2 in vitro. ... Analysis using 1000 Genomes Project data confirmed our observation, revealing a global I/I genotype of 70% in South Asians, 53% in Africans, 29% in East Asians, and 17% in Europeans. Tests based on population divergence, site frequency spectrum and long-range haplotype consistently point to positive selection encompassing rs66698963 in South Asian, African and some East Asian populations.

You think maybe this has something to do with it?

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I might as well repost these pictures of Western civilization:

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Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 03, 2020, 12:41:56 am
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Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 03, 2020, 12:43:22 am
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www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/git-r-done-trump-opens-1-4-million-federal-acres-to-hunters-anglers

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“He’s basically said, ‘Git-R-Done,'” said Interior Secretary David Bernhardt, who is spearheading the opening of 1.4 million acres and elimination of 7,500 regulations limiting access.

“The president fundamentally gets that hunters and anglers are the true conservationists in our society. He understands that history and that we need to act in efforts to expand hunting and fishing while at the same time being respectful of private land rights, respectful of state law,” added Bernhardt.
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“Having those opportunities to succeed and fail made me more confident and made me more willing to accept challenges,” said Bernhardt. “If I lived somewhere where my parents had to drive 300 miles for me to hunt or fish, it wouldn’t have happened at all, though that might have been a lot better for my grades."

When he had young children in his first tour at Interior under former President George W. Bush, then-Secretary Dirk Kempthorne advised him to get a boat.

“He said, ‘You need to get a boat. The great thing about a boat, if you get your kids on one, even if they are with their friends, they’re stuck with you,'” Bernhardt recalled. And now, he added, his kids are hooked on the outdoors. “Exposure matters,” said the secretary, whose office sports a huge moose skull and antlers from an Alaska hunt.

(What is this obsession with getting kids to hunt/fish?)

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www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jeremy-hunt-pledges-to-scrap-fox-hunting-ban-claiming-illegal-practice-is-part-of-our-heritage/ar-AADOPzm

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Conservative leadership hopeful Jeremy Hunt has pledged to bring back fox hunting if he becomes Britain’s next prime minister.

The foreign secretary said the illegal practice was an important part of the countryside’s “heritage”, as he appealed to Tory members still to decide whether to vote for him or rival Boris Johnson.

A ban on fox hunting and other wild mammals was implemented in England and Wales in 2004 with legislation introduced by Tony Blair’s Labour government.

“I would vote to repeal the ban on fox hunting,” Mr Hunt told the Telegraph. “I would as soon as there was a majority in parliament that would be likely to repeal the fox hunting ban, then I would support a vote in parliament.”

“It is part of the countryside,” he added. “And we have to recognise that in terms of the balance of the countryside. You know, it’s part of our heritage.”

Yes, it is part of your heritage. This means your heritage is the problem.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_hunting

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Fox hunting with hounds, as a formalised activity, originated in England in the sixteenth century
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the earliest known attempt to hunt a fox with hounds was in Norfolk, England, in 1534, where farmers began chasing foxes down with their dogs for the purpose of pest control.[10] The first use of packs specifically trained to hunt foxes was in the late 1600s, with the oldest fox hunt being, probably, the Bilsdale in Yorkshire.[12]

By the end of the seventeenth century, deer hunting was in decline. The Inclosure Acts brought fences to separate formerly open land into many smaller fields, deer forests were being cut down, and arable land was increasing.[13] With the onset of the Industrial Revolution, people began to move out of the country and into towns and cities to find work. Roads, railway lines, and canals all split hunting countries,[14] but at the same time they made hunting accessible to more people. Shotguns were improved during the nineteenth century and the shooting of gamebirds became more popular.[13] Fox hunting developed further in the eighteenth century when Hugo Meynell developed breeds of hound and horse to address the new geography of rural England.[13]

In Germany, hunting with hounds (which tended to be deer or boar hunting) was first banned on the initiative of Hermann Göring on July 3, 1934.[15] In 1939, the ban was extended to cover Austria after Germany's annexation of the country. Bernd Ergert, the director of Germany's hunting museum in Munich, said of the ban, "The aristocrats were understandably furious, but they could do nothing about the ban given the totalitarian nature of the regime."[15]
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The hunt is often the setting for many social rituals, but the hunting itself begins when hounds are "cast" or put into rough or brushy areas called "coverts", where foxes often lay up during daylight hours. If the pack manages to pick up the scent of a fox, they will track it for as long as they are able. Scenting can be affected by temperature, humidity, and other factors. The hounds pursue the trail of the fox and the riders follow, by the most direct route possible.

Since this may involve very athletic skill on the part of horse and rider alike, fox hunting is the origin of traditional equestrian sports including steeplechase[74] and point to point racing.[75]

The hunt continues until either the fox evades the hounds, goes to ground (that is takes refuge in an underground burrow or den) or is overtaken and usually killed by the hounds. In the case of Scottish hill packs or the gun packs of Wales and upland areas of England, the fox is flushed to guns. Foxhound packs in the Cumbrian fells and other upland areas are followed by supporters on foot rather than on horseback. In the UK, where the fox goes to ground, terriers may be entered into the earth to locate the fox so that it can be dug down to and shot.[1]

Social rituals are important to hunts, although many have fallen into disuse. One of the most notable was the act of blooding. This is a very old ceremony in which the master or huntsman would smear the blood of the fox or coyote onto the cheeks or forehead of a newly initiated hunt follower, often a young child.[76]

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phys.org/news/2019-08-trump-administration-re-authorizes-cyanide-wildlife.html

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Trump administration re-authorizes 'cyanide bombs' to kill wildlife
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The devices, known as M-44s, which are implanted in the ground and resemble lawn sprinklers, use a spring-loaded ejector to release sodium cyanide when an animal tugs on its baited capsule holder.
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According to government data, M-44s killed 6,579 animals in 2018, including more than 200 "nontarget" animals including opossums raccoons, skunks and a bear.

"These numbers probably significantly under-estimate the true death toll since Wildlife Services is notorious for poor data collection and an entrenched 'shoot, shovel, shut up' mentality,"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WtJHbnJrfw

When did the rhinos involved (let alone the unborn rhino children) ever consent to any of this? But of course Westerners do not care about initiating violence against the individuals, only about preserving the species for future Western enjoyment.

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www.huffpost.com/entry/wild-hog-texas-golf-course_n_5d826b7ae4b0849d47225819
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Walton and his Lone Star Trapping team used dogs to corral the animal at Gateway Hills Golf Course on Sept. 12. He then wrestled it to the ground and hog-tied it.

He nicknamed the hog “Big Nuts” because, you know.

The hog was taken to a processing plant. Walton kept its head “for a keepsake,” he said.

His picture with the animal has gone viral.

“I’ve been doing this out of sight and out of mind for so long,” he told HuffPost. “Now everybody gets to see what we’re doing finally.”

The state is trying to curb its feral hog population.

Compare with previous post. When a species is low in number, proudly force animals to reproduce. When a species is high in number, just as proudly hunt animals down. This is Western civilization - the torture chamber from which there is no escape civilization of sustainability.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 03, 2020, 12:52:43 am
OLD CONTENT contd.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/09/invasive-fish-breathe-air-survive-land-georgia/3925881002/

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'Kill it immediately'
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An invasive fish has been marked for death in Georgia.

The Georgia Department of Natural Resources' Wildlife Resources Division confirmed someone found a northern snakehead in a pond on private property in Gwinnett County, marking the first time the invasive fish has been found in the state, according to the DNR.

The department's advice for what Georgia residents should do upon finding a northern snakehead, which can breathe air, is simple. First, residents should not release the fish. Secondly, "Kill it immediately (remember, it can survive on land) and freeze it."

Fishermen who find a northern snakehead should take pictures, note where it was caught and then report it, the Georgia DNR said in a statement.

“Our first line of defense in the fight against aquatic invasive species, such as the northern snakehead, are our anglers,” Matt Thomas, chief of fisheries for the Wildlife Resources Division, said in a statement.

“Thanks to the quick report by an angler, our staff was able to investigate and confirm the presence of this species in this water body. We are now taking steps to determine if they have spread from this water body and, hopefully, keep it from spreading to other Georgia waters," Thomas said.

Why? Because otherwise they might lead to the extinction of other fish species that anglers enjoy fishing. (It is for this reason that they are called an "invasive species" according to Western terminology. Meanwhile, the species - humans - that cruelly exploits any and all animals in the world it wants is not an "invasive species" so long as the exploited species are kept from extinction. Because, in the Western worldview, only species matter and individuals do not.)

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In other words, for the sustainability of anglers' recreational pleasure (and innocent fish's suffering), the following must be done to these special fish with superpowers (air breathing) who could put a merciful end to it all:

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Anglers are the ones who should be killed immediately. (Look at the angler's facial expression and pose. You are looking at Western civilization personified.)

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Further on the topic of so-called (according to Westerners) "invasive species", here is a video that highlights the contrast in perspectives:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ViOLgvsuY

The locals' attitude is the correct one. Species going extinct is fine; violence against innocent individuals (in this case hippos) is what is morally repugnant. Only Westerners justify the latter on the grounds of preventing the former. Rightists are entirely correct when they point out that conservationism (ie. prevention of species extinction) is a uniquely Western concern.

(I also find it amusing how much more physically neotenous is the local guy being interviewed (representing the non-Western perspective) than are the presenter and the biologist (representing the Western perspective) with their huge facial hair areas etc..)

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Right wing “environmentalism”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFOmx2CpwuU

Note: I absolutely support using the term “naturalism” to describe this ideology, in accordance with the host’s own preference of using the word to refer to himself.

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www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-circus-bear-attacks_n_5db2cfd3e4b0ea02257c45a4

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A bear in a Russian circus turned on its trainer during a show this week and was subdued with a stun gun, adding to the argument that wild animals shouldn’t be used for entertainment.

The 660-pound brown bear and handler Ruslan Solodyuk of the traveling Anshlag circus were doing a routine in Olonets involving a wheelbarrow when the muzzled bear pounced on him, NBC News reported Friday. With no barrier between the audience and the unfolding attack, spectators shrieked and could be seen fleeing in the video, above.

The bear pinned the trainer for a few seconds before another handler kicked the animal repeatedly and zapped it with a stun gun, The New York Times reported.
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Solodyuk told a Russian outlet that the bear, named Yashka, was not feeling well before the attack, but had not been violent before.

Many Russian circuses continue to ignore objections raised by animal activists over their use of bears for entertainment, the Times wrote.

In a June 2018 incident, a bear in a traveling circus jumped off its skateboard and attacked a staffer during a performance. Handlers beat the bear with sticks.

The circus is a Western invention (repost):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Astley

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Philip Astley (8 January 1742 – 27 January 1814) was an English equestrian, circus owner, and inventor, regarded as being the "father of the modern circus".[1][2] Modern circus, as an integrated entertainment experience that includes music, domesticated animals, acrobats, and clowns, traces its heritage to Astley's Amphitheatre, a riding school that Astley founded in London following the success of trick-riding displays given by him and his wife Patty Jones in 1768.[3] Astley's first competitor was equestrian Charles Hughes, who had previously worked with Astley. Together with Charles Dibdin, a famous author of pantomimes, Hughes opened a rival amphitheatre in London, which Dibdin called the Royal Circus and Equestrian Philharmonic Academy.[4][5]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circus#Animal_acts

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Animal rights groups have documented many cases of animal cruelty in the training of performing circus animals.[40][41] The animal rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) contends that animals in circuses are frequently beaten into submission and that physical abuse has always been the method for training circus animals.
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According to PETA, although the US Animal Welfare Act does not permit any sort of punishment that puts the animals in discomfort,[42] trainers will still go against this law and use such things as electric rods and bull hooks.[43] According to PETA, during an undercover investigation of Carson & Barnes Circus, video footage was captured showing animal care director Tim Frisco training endangered Asian elephants with electrical shock prods and instructing other trainers to "beat the elephants with a bullhook as hard as they can and sink the sharp metal hook into the elephant's flesh and twist it until they scream in pain".[43]
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In testimony in U.S. District Court in 2009, Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus CEO Kenneth Feld acknowledged that circus elephants are struck behind the ears, under the chin and on their legs with metal tipped prods, called bull hooks. Feld stated that these practices are necessary to protect circus workers.

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news.yahoo.com/video-boys-beating-deer-ripping-165953288.html

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In the video, which was reportedly filmed in Brookville, Pennsylvania, the boys can be seen kicking the buck in the face, ripping off its antlers and stepping on its throat, all while the animal is alive.
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Last week, President Trump signed a bipartisan bill that makes animal cruelty a federal crime punishable with fines and up to seven years in prison.
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The bill does not apply to people who kill animals for food or to those who hunt, trap and fish, however.

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www.thesun.co.uk/news/10533735/super-rats-us-cities-new-york-chicago/

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rat control campaigns can have a Darwinian effect on vermin populations in populous cities.

"If only the fittest rats make it through the control campaign, the survivors may be even better adapted to take advantage of the high-resource minefield of modern cities, leaving a new population of "super rats to breed and repopulate," he said.
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In 2017, New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio announced a $32 million initiative to kill rats, but it would only reduce the rodent population in the city’s most infested areas by 70 per cent, the Daily Intelligencer reported.
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An alcoholic rat-dunking device was unveiled in New York City in September.

The device, called Ekomille, baits rodents with food, then drops them through a trap door into a non-toxic alcoholic solution that knocks the rats unconscious and eventually drowns them.

Ekomille can hold up to 80 rat carcasses in its built-in bucket.

In short, the suffering of the individual victims never ends, while the survivability of the species ever increases (thereby ensuring the suffering of the individual victims never ends!). But what else do you expect from Westerners who mimic Yahweh in everything they do?

If only the Counterculture had lasted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvGEZ4S_SuY
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 03, 2020, 01:04:31 am
OLD CONTENT contd.

Please stop calling meat factories "farms":

us.yahoo.com/news/distressing-footage-turkey-farm-pliers-gloucestershire-151751199.html

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Animal welfare group Viva! conducted a three-month investigation at Gravel Farm in Westbury-on-Severn, Gloucestershire.

The group claims its footage – taken between September and November – shows a worker dislocating the necks of two turkeys with a “neck crushing device”.

After crushing their necks, both birds appear to flap around in distress for several minutes.
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Dr Alice Brough, a veterinary consultant who watched the video, said: “What we see in this footage is incredibly disturbing and shows a categorical disregard for animal welfare.”
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"Our team witnessed appalling conditions, documenting the systematic abuse of farmed turkeys, whose shorts lives are filled with nothing but misery and pain.

"While some birds were ruthlessly killed with barbaric neck crushing devices others were left to die slow, agonising deaths from their injuries – all for the sake of Christmas dinner.
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Other harrowing parts of the footage show turkeys with open, bloodied wounds packed into filthy pens on concrete covered in faeces.

Viva! claims dying birds at the farm were found with untreated bloody wounds, causes by other distressed birds pecking out their feathers.

Dr Brough said: “We see extensive evidence of disease, pain and suffering on this unit. Feather pecking and cannibalism is widespread, and in some cases severe with raw open wounds, extreme swelling and bruising.

“This is despite the fact that the birds have been subjected to beak trimming mutilations in an attempt to curb this behaviour – a behaviour that stems from environmental conditions failing to meet the basic needs of the animal, indicative of poor welfare.”

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One thing I have noticed about Western Civilization is its consistent disregard for individuals. When taking this into consideration, I have no disagreement with the charge leveled against us by rightists for being “overly individualistic”.

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www.businessinsider.com/heres-a-picture-of-amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-eating-an-iguana-2018-3
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But it's not an endangered iguana. Driscol told us it's an invasive species specially selected for the Explorers Club Annual Dinner at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square.

By eating it, members are hopefully made more aware of how they can help take pressure off animals threatened by invasive species.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZkFj9uPKXo

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When anthropocentrism goes wrong:

www.yahoo.com/news/father-9-old-daughter-mistaken-152553486.html

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A 9-year-old girl and her father were fatally shot while hunting on New Year's Day when they were mistaken for deer, South Carolina officials said.

Wednesday in Walterboro, a group of hunters were trying to move deer, also known as driving deer, the state Department of Natural Resources said in a news release. The man and his daughter were mistaken for deer and shot, the department said. A spokesperson declined to comment further on the incident.

Because we need uplifting news once in a while.

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Westerners just can't LEAVE ANIMALS ALONE, but instead have to behave like Yahweh (even their facial expressions look like Yahweh's FFS!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ-SfoUXgHs

The video is from 2009. Since then:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_giant_softshell_turtle#Rediscovered_individuals

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The scientists began preparing to mate the two once again in May 2009, which fell within this species' breeding season,[30] but in the fall of 2009, the zoo announced that despite laying 188 eggs, the eggs were infertile and would not hatch.[31] The Turtle Survival Alliance issued a statement explaining the infertility was due in part to the turtle's poor diet and the group expressed concern that the zoo's patrons had thrown trash into the turtle's enclosure that, if eaten, could endanger the health of the turtles.[31] On June 15, 2010, the female laid a total of 63 eggs. Half of the eggs were left in the sand to incubate naturally, while the other half were moved to incubate at varying temperatures and humidities. Once again, they were infertile.

In 2015 artificial insemination was attempted, a first for this species.[32] In May 2015, the female was successfully inseminated. Semen was extracted from the sedated male using electro-ejaculation. By late July, the female had laid 2 clutches of eggs, totaling 89 eggs, but none were viable.[33] The female of the last breeding pair died at Suzhou Zoo in China in April 2019, making the species functionally extinct unless a wild female is found.[3][4][5]

So they tortured the turtles all these years trying to get them to reproduce, literally until the female physically couldn't take any more. If Western civilization had never existed (or at least if the colonial era had never happened), all the above could have been avoided and the turtles could just have gone extinct at their own pace and in dignity. As it is, the Westerners still refuse to give up:

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As of mid-2017, conservationists are searching for any possible wild individuals in the remote parts of China. A major target of the survey are parts of the Red River in Yunnan Province. Locals in the area have reported seeing 1-2 turtles that have a similar description to that of this species, meaning that there is a small possibility the species may still survive in the wild.[34] In Oct. 2018, the Asian Turtle Program announced that it was interviewing local people to collect data to guideline searches for R. swinhoei in the very large area of flooded valleys formed by damming the Da River.[35]
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In April 2018, conservationists confirmed the existence of a second wild individual in Xuan Kanh Lake, Vietnam. The individual was photographed two times in 2012 and 2017, but both times the photograph was blurry and provided little confirmation of its identity. Using traces of the turtle's DNA in the lake's water, the specimen's identity was confirmed as R. swinhoei.[36] In Nov. 2018, it was announced that a second, smaller individual of R. swinhoei also lives in Dong Mo Lake

If the colonial era had never happened, the Westerners would not have such an easy time getting cooperation from the locals.....

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www.yahoo.com/news/2-elephants-escaped-circus-russia-152042409.html

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2 elephants escaped a circus in Russia and rolled around in the snow before being recaptured

And so the sustainable evil continued its sustainability.....

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Russkies are notorious animal abusers. I recall a video where Russkies gave a polar bear an IED for their own amusement..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF9IzuSYOkI

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Every year, more than 400,000 crabs are bled for the miraculous medical substance that flows through their bodies—now pharmaceutical companies are finally committing to an alternative that doesn't harm animals.

And for what exactly do humans need the blood of a living fossil? A sort of witchcraft, you might say, for it literally keeps people alive. Horseshoe-crab blood is exquisitely sensitive to toxins from bacteria. It is used to test for contamination during the manufacture of anything that might go inside the human body: every shot, every IV drip, and every implanted medical device.

So reliant is the modern biomedical industry on this blood that the disappearance of horseshoe crabs would instantly cripple it. And in recent years, horseshoe crabs, particularly in Asia, have come under a number of threats: habitat loss as seawalls replace the beaches where they spawn, pollution, overfishing for use as food and bait. Horseshoe crabs bled for the biomedical use in the United States are returned to the ocean, but an estimated 50,000 also die in the process every year.

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Courtesy of Western civilization:

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/lab-monkeys-infected-coronavirus-desperate-21559290

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Monkeys have been infected with a deadly form of coronavirus in a bid to find a successful vaccine for the current COVID-19 epidemic.
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More than 2,400 have been infected with the strain of the virus, which the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control estimate has killed 910 humans.

See also:

https://thehooksite.com/sick-footage-shows-monkeys-screaming-in-pain-during-animal-testing-at-german-laboratory/

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Courtesy of Western civilization:

www.yahoo.com/news/u-dairy-farmers-dump-milk-100952217.html

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"We need you to start dumping your milk," said his contact from Dairy Farmers of America (DFA), the largest U.S. dairy cooperative.
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Mass closures of restaurants and schools have forced a sudden shift from those wholesale food-service markets to retail grocery stores, creating logistical and packaging nightmares for plants processing milk, butter and cheese. Trucking companies that haul dairy products are scrambling to get enough drivers as some who fear the virus have stopped working. And sales to major dairy export markets have dried up as the food-service sector largely shuts down globally.
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Leedle has dumped 4,700 gallons of milk from his 480 cows each day since Tuesday. The 7,500-member DFA told Reuters it has asked some other farmers in the cooperative to do the same but did not say how many.
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Land O’Lakes Inc., another cooperative, has also warned its members they may have to dump milk. Another cooperative, Wisconsin-based Foremost Farms USA, was even more grim.

"Now is the time to consider a little extra culling of your herds," the cooperative said in a March 17 letter to members. "We believe the ability to pick up and process your milk could be compromised."

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iNgkkZQc7ZTg/v2/1200x-1.jpg)

Background:

web.archive.org/web/20130506181359/http://www.vegsoc.org/page.aspx?pid=556

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Dairy heifers are first used for breeding at approximately 15 months old. The majority of dairy cows in the UK are impregnated by artificial insemination (AI). Bulls are first used for breeding from one year old and a single animal can father over 15,000 calves a year by AI. Pregnancy lasts approximately nine months (279 days) and so heifers will be around 2 years old when they first give birth. Cows are impregnated again 2 to 3 months after each birth (calving). As lactation lasts around 10 months the cow is simultaneously pregnant and lactating for 6 to 8 months during each calving cycle. Cows have a 6 to 8 week period between lactation ceasing and their next calving. Most calves are taken away from their mother within 24 to 48 hours. The cow is then milked for human consumption for around 10 months.
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There is a strong bond formed between the mother and her calf in the first few hours after birth, enforced separation is therefore a very traumatic experience for both(4).
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Milking occurs 2 or 3 times a day and it is fully mechanised. Selective breeding and concentrated feeds have meant dairy cows can produce ten times more milk than calves would suckle if given the opportunity. A typical dairy cow produces up to 6,500 litres of milk a year(6). Normally a cow kept with her calf would produce less than 1,000 litres of milk throughout the lactation period(7). This huge overproduction of milk has severe welfare implications for dairy cows and has resulted in a number of 'production' diseases.
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A cow’s natural lifespan is 20 to 25 years. By the time the dairy cow is just five years old she is worn out by the strain of constant milk and calf production and is slaughtered as she is of no further use to the industry.

NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER FORGET.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz9M8bSKVDE

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Gentile blood memory:

www.yahoo.com/news/americans-turn-hunting-food-renewal-110932482.html

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Elliot, emergency manager at Holy Cross Hospital in Taos, New Mexico, had always wanted to go big-game hunting and, with the pandemic spreading, there seemed no better time to try to fill his freezer with free-range, super-lean meat.

So for the first time in his life, despite not owning a rifle or ever having hunted large animals, he put his name in for New Mexico's annual elk permit draw.

With some U.S. meat processors halting operations as workers fall ill, companies warning of shortages, and people having more time on their hands and possibly less money due to shutdowns and layoffs, he is among a growing number of Americans turning to hunting for food, according to state data and hunting groups.
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"People are starting to consider self-reliance and where their food comes from," said Forester of the hunter research and training group. "We're all born hunters."
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Teachers Brian Van Nevel and Nathaniel Evans get up at 4 a.m. to try to be first into the forests around Taos to hunt wild turkey.

Evans, a middle-school teacher, has seen a lot more people stalking birds this year.

A town councilor as well, he is hunting not just for food but to reconnect with himself at a time when he is guiding Taos' response to the pandemic as well as teaching online classes.

"Its been so important for me, being able to go out and kind of cleanse my mental card and just go and be present, you really have to be present, and quiet and listening," said Evans, 38, who in April shot a 17-pound (7.7-kg) bird.

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www.twincities.com/2020/05/06/wood-chippers-employed-to-help-compost-thousands-of-excess-hogs-near-worthington-plant/

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JBS announced last week it could euthanize 3,000 head of market-weight hogs per day because they couldn’t be processed before they grew too large for slaughter and packaging. The JBS plant in Worthington shut down temporarily because of an outbreak of COVID-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, among workers at the plant. On Wednesday, it resumed operations but at reduced levels.
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“This is one of the ways we know that we can effectively compost and probably speed up the composting process,” he said

Crusan said they don’t yet know how many days it will take for the hogs to be fully composted, though it will be considerably shorter than the 60 days it takes for a fully intact carcass to be composted.

By the way, remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu785cJgG-w

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The sustainable continues:

us.yahoo.com/huffpost/amy-cooper-dog-returned-back-141214661.html

At least the comments are on our side.....
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 03, 2020, 01:17:20 am
OLD CONTENT contd.

www.yahoo.com/news/trump-expected-allow-commercial-fishing-151704077.html

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump announced on Friday he will open up a 5,000 square mile conservation area in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of New England to commercial fishing.

The move allows commercial fishing to resume in the Northeast Canyons and Seamounts Marine National Monument, a sanctuary created in 2016 during the Obama administration. It also cancels a planned phase out of red crab and lobster fisheries in the area.

It's not just Trump who is at fault here for allowing fishing to resume, but also Obama for temporarily halting it so that victim populations were given time to build up. The two together enable the cycle of violence to be sustainable indefinitely. Hunting a species to extinction once and for all is infinitely less cruel than hunting it to the brink, then pulling back to allow recovery, then hunting again, without end. The latter is the Western way.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGatAW4oFYU

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"Being Carnivorous Part 1"

www.counter-currents.com/2020/06/becoming-carnivorous-part-i/

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I have been on the Carnivore Diet for about six weeks now. In case you don’t know, this is the anti-vegan, all-meat diet. It is being touted for health reasons, but is far more interesting for the personalities and politics behind it. Really, this just ought to be called the Dissident Right Diet.

Well, they pretty much just admitted it themselves I guess. No point in hiding your atrocious dietary habits that will create a whole host of problems.

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No prizes for guessing what our enemies are calling veganism now:

www.counter-currents.com/2020/06/dietary-marxism/

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Even before delving into Carnivore culture, I had suspected that it was going to be crypto-right-wing. I was wrong, however — but only about the “crypto.”
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Further, what if veganism is actually a one-way ticket to disease and even madness? It is when Carnivore and vegan collide that the political aspects of diet are brought out in bold relief. It is also when the Carnivore lifestyle begins to look like something much more than a prescription for healthy eating. It begins to look, in fact, like a political reaction against limp, soy boy effeminacy and the entire worldview that makes it possible.

As you might imagine, vegans are ever so slightly “triggered” by the Carnivore Diet. If ever they needed an archenemy, a Blofeld or a Lex Luthor, they found it in Shawn Baker. Baker is, in fact, the very embodiment of everything that is hated and despised by the sort of people who are drawn to veganism. He is a jock. He is ex-military. He is a powerlifter. He eats four pounds of beef a day and isn’t shedding any tears over Bossy the Cow. “Yes, it’s harsh to talk about animals as food,” Baker writes, “but ultimately that is what they are.” And if we go way, way back (in time and in the dark depths of the vegan soul) he is the guy who called them “fag” in the fifth grade and ridiculed their unprepossessing manhood when it got exposed after gym class. Their entire outlook on life is founded in ressentiment against the Shawn Bakers of this world.

I would also like to mention how my bullies used to try to sneak bits of meat into my school lunches when they thought I wasn't looking.

This is the photo of Baker our enemies included:

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Note the primitive facial structure.

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At first, Baker was delighted to debate with vegans. But what followed was predictable:

Soon I realized that these people were completely invested in an ideology and would not be swayed no matter what facts were presented to them. I quickly found that when I asked, “Would you eat meat if it would improve your health?” the answer was always, “No!” To me, this response indicated complete irrationality; I muted and eventually blocked these people on social media because interacting with them became a huge waste of time and energy.

Because there exists something called ethics, something which Baker is evidently too primitive to understand.

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And then, right on cue . . . (wait for it, wait for it): “More and more vegans started attacking me; some even compared me to Satan and Hitler.” Of course, the irony of comparing Baker to Hitler is completely lost on these people: Hitler was a fanatical vegetarian.

So are our enemies calling Hitler a "Marxist" now?

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Baker’s analysis of veganism suggests that there is a high correlation between the diet and insanity. Of course, here we face a chicken and egg problem: did veganism drive them mad, or did madness lead them to choose veganism? I would suggest that it’s a bit of both: veganism tends to dramatically worsen the mental state of the fragile, life-denying weaklings who are attracted to it. (There are even vegans so insane they’ve tried to force the diet on their cats and dogs.)

And killing animals for their meat doesn't involve force?

Whereas feeding an animal vegan food is simply not requiring another animal to be killed in order to feed the first animal. It is a reduction of violence.

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Baker features a clip of a young Asian-American vegan who has smeared herself with feces.
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Baker’s comment about this wacko is priceless: “Okay, if you wake up in the morning and decide you want to cover your body and face in feces, clearly something is not right. I don’t know how many steaks it would take to fix this person, but it’s going to be a lot.”

Between smearing oneself in faeces (which is at least non-violent) and killing innocent animals (which is violent), which is worse?

Finally, regarding the stupidity of the term "dietary Marxism" itself:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx#Health

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Marx was fond of highly seasoned dishes, smoked fish, caviare

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And they are doubling down:

www.counter-currents.com/2020/06/the-politics-of-meat-dietary-anti-marxism/

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If veganism is dietary Marxism, is the Carnivore movement dietary anti-Marxism? I think that the answer is yes. Indeed, the whole Carnivore subculture smells deliciously Right-wing — like a perfectly grilled ribeye steak.
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Carnivore is also born of a viscerally negative reaction to the shrill, brittle weakness of vegan lefties. “Anything but that!” the diet seems to be saying, and so we are literally enjoined to do the exact opposite of veganism.
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An observer from a distant planet might think that while vegans are out to save the animals, the Carnivores are the guardians of the plant kingdom. Actually, Carnivores just don’t give a damn that something had to die in order to feed them — which is their real rebellion against veganism. Baker’s attitude, and the attitude of all the Carnivores, is that life is impossible without killing. The vegans are slaughtering vegetables, but for them, that doesn’t count because they claim to know that plants are not “sentient beings.” Years ago, Joseph Campbell exposed the self-deception of this when he defined a vegetarian as “a person who is not sensitive enough to hear a tomato scream."

No (I have actually treated plants as sentient beings ever since childhood), what makes veganism less violent is that we eat plants directly whereas non-vegans must use a larger quantity of plants to feed the animals which they themselves then eat, because the longer the food chain, the more thermodynamically inefficient it is. So even comparing only the quantity of plants killed, vegans kill many times fewer plants than non-vegans to procure the same food energy. (And on top of this the non-vegans kill the animals as well!)

aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/feed-vs-food.jpg

aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/Energy-waste.jpg

Furthermore, vegans who follow the Aryan diet based primarily on cereals do not kill the cereal plants, as the cereal plants are allowed go through their full life cycle in peace prior to being harvested (which is why the fields are yellow during harvest - the plants have already died on their own):

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As for the supposed "screaming tomato", picking ripe fruit does not hurt the tree (the reason why tomatoes turn red after ripening is to make them easier to spot and be picked; contrast this with animals who try to camouflage to avoid being spotted and hunted):

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my favorite Carnivore guru, hands down, is a guy named Tristan Haggard who operates a website and a YouTube channel called Primal Edge Health. Tristan lives somewhere in the backwoods of Ecuador with his wife Jessica and two children. They raise and slaughter their own food, and Jessica is the author of The Carnivore Cookbook. Tristan, who is a convert to Eastern Orthodoxy
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: guest5 on July 17, 2020, 04:40:59 pm
Spain’s 90,000 COVID-19-infected mink must die
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Spanish authorities are ordering the culling of nearly 100,000 mink following an outbreak at a farm where animals are bred for fur. The animals tested positive for the novel coronavirus along with seven workers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_smSkTA6MYI

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Josiah S. Cooper
7 minutes ago
How would the humans like to be treated similarly? Not so much.

At least they're not getting skinned alive, another good point some one made.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 03, 2020, 11:15:33 pm
https://www.wisn.com/article/bears-are-not-billboards-group-upset-after-bear-found-with-political-sticker/33500436#

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The sticker, which appeared to be a President Trump campaign sticker, was found on the tracking collar of a bear in North Asheville, according to a Facebook post from the group.

"Bears are NOT Billboards," the post read, in part. The post said it was the second time a bear was found with a political sticker in Asheville in a year.

"Whoever put these political stickers on these bears is cruel and heartless," said the post. "HAB and our followers hope to stop and expose you."

Jody Williams, the group's founder, said this isn't political. He said it's wrong to put anything on a bear, regardless of what's on the sticker.

"It's just so wrong," he said. "Our wildlife is just so beautiful around here and I just can't imagine somebody doing harm to it like that, it's absolutely ridiculous."

So, which civilization invented telemetry?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemetry#History

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Telemetering information over wire had its origins in the 19th century. One of the first data-transmission circuits was developed in 1845 between the Russian Tsar's Winter Palace and army headquarters. In 1874, French engineers built a system of weather and snow-depth sensors on Mont Blanc that transmitted real-time information to Paris. In 1901 the American inventor C. Michalke patented the selsyn, a circuit for sending synchronized rotation information over a distance. In 1906 a set of seismic stations were built with telemetering to the Pulkovo Observatory in Russia. In 1912, Commonwealth Edison developed a system of telemetry to monitor electrical loads on its power grid. The Panama Canal (completed 1913–1914) used extensive telemetry systems to monitor locks and water levels.[4]

Wireless telemetry made early appearances in the radiosonde, developed concurrently in 1930 by Robert Bureau in France and Pavel Molchanov in Russia. Molchanov's system modulated temperature and pressure measurements by converting them to wireless Morse code. The German V-2 rocket used a system of primitive multiplexed radio signals called "Messina" to report four rocket parameters, but it was so unreliable that Wernher von Braun once claimed it was more useful to watch the rocket through binoculars. In the US and the USSR, the Messina system was quickly replaced with better systems (in both cases, based on pulse-position modulation).[5]

Early Soviet missile and space telemetry systems which were developed in the late 1940s used either pulse-position modulation (e.g., the Tral telemetry system developed by OKB-MEI) or pulse-duration modulation (e.g., the RTS-5 system developed by NII-885). In the United States, early work employed similar systems, but were later replaced by pulse-code modulation (PCM) (for example, in the Mars probe Mariner 4). Later Soviet interplanetary probes used redundant radio systems, transmitting telemetry by PCM on a decimeter band and PPM on a centimeter band.[6]

Same one as usual.....
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 20, 2020, 11:18:20 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/oklahoma-state-university-bull-rider-111517917.html

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An Oklahoma State University college student has died after being bucked off of his bull during a bull riding competition in Texas.

What is with Westerners torturing cows for entertainment?

(https://www.monsterenergy.com/media/uploads_image/2018/09/19/1600/800/839d473fae6ad782bd59832e4ea86e03.jpg)

Of course the Old World version is even worse:

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article22182400.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200b/3_Masterclass-of-bullfighting-in-Malaga-Spain-30-May-2020.jpg)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 23, 2020, 12:04:26 am
Not this **** again!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/horseshoe-crabs-vital-role-development-090024849.html

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Horseshoe crabs have a vital role in the development of a coronavirus vaccine. Here's why
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Jack Levin and Frederik Bang collaborated on horseshoe crab blood experiments. Their work led to a process that channels the almost magical force of the horseshoe crab's immune system, one that's helped the animal survive longer than most of the species that ever roamed the Earth or scurried across the ocean floor.
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The blue blood is its best line of defense. Cells essentially build a fortress in seconds.

Amoebocytes, a type of blood cell, can "detect any outside particle," Sasson said, and once they do, they spring into action, whether the enemy invader is in the bloodstream or a wound outside of the body.   

"How quickly the blood coagulated around the wound was amazing," he said. "Say you break off a piece of a claw. You'd see a little bit of blood for, you know, 10,15 seconds. And then it would stop because it would already have coagulated completely where the wound was."

But the next part is the worst:

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How to help the horseshoe crab
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The horseshoe crab population has been stable or growing for many years. The state keeps count, doing a random survey by trawling annually.
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Subsequent regulations and other protections have helped both the red knot and horseshoe crab numbers bounce back.

How to help the horseshoe crab? How about by ceasing to drain its blood FFS?! But of course Western civilization does not care how individuals are treated, but only that the species does not go extinct so that the individuals can continue to be exploited sustainably.

(https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Near-Threatened-Horseshoe-Crab-Blood-Remains-Standard-For-Drug-Testing.png)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on September 23, 2020, 04:52:19 am
"Jack Levin"
Unsurprising
Title: Re: Western civilization is a health hazard
Post by: guest5 on October 04, 2020, 02:22:39 pm
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Most of the meat on your dinner plate is the result of an industrial food system controlled by a handful of powerful multinational corporations. So how did Big Meat come to be? Listen to ‘Who Is?’ on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
http://go.nowth.is/WhoIsThePodcastS2
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: guest5 on November 06, 2020, 11:03:15 pm
Denmark to cull up to 17 million minks to prevent spread of mutated coronavirus | DW News
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Denmark has announced a regional shutdown affecting about 280,000 people. The new measure comes a day after the government ordered the cull of all minks bred at fur farms due to coronavirus fears.

The regional shutdown comes a day after the government ordered the cull of all minks bred at fur farms following the discovery of the mutated virus. So far, 12 people in the north have been diagnosed with the new form of the virus. Health officials said they have not displayed more serious forms of the disease. Health Minister Magnus Heunicke had said half the 783 human coronavirus cases in northern Denmark ''are related'' to mink. Minister for Food Mogens Jensen said that at least 207 farms were now infected, up from 41 last month, and that the virus has spread to all of the western peninsula of Jutland. The government said that the culling of the country's estimated 15 million minks could cost up to 5 billion kroner ($785 million; €670 million). Hans Kluge, the World Health Organization's European regional director, said Denmark showed "determination and courage" in deciding to cull the mink population, given the "huge economic impact" it would have. Authorities have been calling for the culling of infected mink herds since June due to persisting outbreaks at mink farms. Denmark is the world's largest producer of mink skins, producing an estimated 17 million furs per year and employing around 4,000 people. Last year, the Danish mink pelt industry racked up exports of around $800 million. The industry association for Danish breeders called the culling a "black day for Denmark." The government has promised to compensate farmers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5E_ykbTF5E

WHO: More research needed on virus mutation found in Danish mink
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Speaking at a press conference on November 6, Maria Van Kerkhove, technical lead at the WHO Health Emergencies Program, said more research needs to be done on the variant of COVID-19 that has been found in minks in Denmark. The Danish government announced plans on November 4 to cull all remaining minks in the country, saying a mutation of the virus could spread back to humans and interfere with vaccine effectiveness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnKXJRIsllE

Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on November 15, 2020, 08:58:31 pm
The sad story of Laika the Soviet "space dog" (Historical example of Soviet subhumans expressing their Turanian blood memory):
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/sad-story-laika-space-dog-and-her-one-way-trip-orbit-1-180968728/

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The noises and pressures of flight terrified Laika: Her heartbeat rocketed to triple the normal rate, and her breath rate quadrupled. The National Air and Space Museum holds declassified printouts showing Laika’s respiration during the flight. She reached orbit alive, circling the Earth in about 103 minutes. Unfortunately, loss of the heat shield made the temperature in the capsule rise unexpectedly, taking its toll on Laika. She died “soon after launch,” Russian medical doctor and space dog trainer Oleg Gazenko revealed in 1993. “The temperature inside the spacecraft after the fourth orbit registered over 90 degrees,” Lewis says. “There’s really no expectation that she made it beyond an orbit or two after that.” Without its passenger, Sputnik 2 continued to orbit for five months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOS-rxXP3GM&lc=UgzNRJwZzsQs9SXeuap4AaABAg

Best comment:
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So they literally sent her to die.
Video says it’s “a suicide mission for Laika,” no, that is not suicide. She didn’t choose to go there.

And then to add insult to injury, those subhumans had the audacity to erect a "monument" to "honor" Laika. Then again, given the prevalence of animal sacrifice in prehistoric Turanian cultures, it should come as no surprise.

Of course, this is not to say Atlantic Westerners are much better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv5uwxpdp7o

But at least they had the intention of bringing the chimp back, as opposed to the Soviets who had no such intention to begin with.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: guest5 on December 06, 2020, 04:42:45 pm
Conservationists Remove Rhino Horns to Save Them From Poachers | NowThis Earth
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At $65k, a kilo of rhino horn is worth more than its weight in gold, making the animals a prime target for poachers.

In South Africa, conservationists are preemptively cutting off rhino horns in an effort to actually save them.

Like fingernails, the horns will grow back after being cut. The practice doesn't come without controversy; rhinos without horns are more susceptible to injury during a fight, and tranquilization can carry risks.

Between 2007 and 2014, rhino poaching in South Africa increased by more than 9,000%.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbepDnEEzfw
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 06, 2020, 05:11:08 pm
"Conservationists Remove Rhino Horns to Save Them From Poachers"

Correction: Conservationists (a.k.a. Westerners) Violently Remove Rhino Horns from Rhino Individuals (Whom They Do Not Care About) to Save the Rhino Species (The Only Thing They Care About) from Extinction by Poaching.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 16, 2021, 11:56:17 pm
I am running out of words to describe how uniquely sadistic Western civilization is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0EYv8yod3A

(Has anyone here been tased? Maybe you can imagine how many times worse it is what the fish are suffering.)

And then, in true Western fashion, some Westerners turn it into a sport:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsKhK9-3yxM
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: guest5 on January 17, 2021, 08:22:37 pm
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I am running out of words to describe how uniquely sadistic Western civilization is:

You Won't Believe What A MAGA Chud Carved "Trump" Into
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This story is in the running for the worst of 2021.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx_NbGp-yeY
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 19, 2021, 03:25:14 am
Now Westerners want to go after Colombia's hippos again (see earlier post):

https://www.yahoo.com/news/colombias-rapidly-breeding-****-hippos-153839192.html

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The marshlands of Colombia have been home to these giant mammals since they were illegally imported in the late 1980s by the notorious drug lord, Pablo Escobar.

When he was shot dead in 1993, the Colombian government took control of his extravagant estate, including his personal zoo.

Most of the animals were shipped away, but four hippos were left to fend for themselves in a pond, and now there are dozens of them living in the wild.

Although nobody knows exactly how many there are, estimates put the total number between 80 and 100, making them the largest invasive species on the planet.

Scientists forecast that the number of hippos will swell to almost 1,500 by 2040. They conclude, that at that point, environmental impacts will be irreversible and numbers impossible to control.

“Nobody likes the idea of shooting a hippo, but we have to accept that no other strategy is going to work,” ecologist Nataly Castelblanco-Martínez told The Telegraph.

Just leave them alone!

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In their natural African habitat, hippos spend the long dry season competing for access to rivers that have shrunk to puddles. They are also vulnerable to disease and predators.

In contrast, scientists say Colombia is a hippo paradise. It rains regularly and there are no problems with food or predators.

Translation: Westerners are only comfortable when they see constant predation and strife and survival of the fittest (a.k.a. nature). When Westerners see us living peacefully, they feel threatened.

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Locals see the hippos as an unofficial mascot. Gift shops in the town of Puerto Triunfo sell hippo keychains and T-shirts.

The locals have the correct attitude.

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The hippos’ urine and faeces are toxic and the animals also carry a range of dangerous bacteria, which can pose a problem for other species and ultimately humans too.

Anyone who doesn't like it can move out. What is so difficult to understand about this?

Human sewage has created a bigger problem for other species by many orders of magnitude than hippo excrement. But these scientists do not call for shooting humans. Instead they leave it to the other species to move out from the worst affected areas, which they do. Why the double-standard? (Answer: they are Westerners.)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 31, 2021, 09:35:41 pm
https://news.yahoo.com/rural-communities-under-siege-criminal-141247897.html

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Rural communities have suffered a steep rise in hare coursing, with the RSPCA saying the growing involvement of gangs in wildlife crimes is a major factor in its decision to hand over its 200-year-old prosecuting powers to the CPS.

Dozens of rural landowners are being repeatedly targeted by gangs who gather to bet on the outcome of dogs chasing down and killing as many hares as possible.
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The RSPCA’s chief executive, Chris Sherwood, said on Saturday: “We’re involved in cases that involve **** fighting, badger baiting and hare coursing

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/D9y1KQdzeXdVaFYiSlKRgw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQ0MC44Njk1NjUyMTczOTEz/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/RCpbU1z5MKBQ1yK_m84Dxg--~B/aD02NzY7dz0xMDgxO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_telegraph_258/684447cf8a226de4bf7c24a1df23027c)

They obviously think it's OK to be "white" against hares also.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 16, 2021, 10:56:42 pm
I'm not going to post links because I don't want to give them extra clicks, but a type of YouTube video that I have found disgusting is when Western parents/pet owners do experiments on their offspring/pets to see how their pets will react to various stimuli (and record the reaction to upload to make money). Admittedly, these are mostly not physically painful experiments, but they are cruel nonetheless because the children/pets do not understand that they are being experimented upon. To anyone with honour, all interpersonal communication should be based on mutual respect, with all parties having the same information about the context of the communication. One person experimenting on the other is the most flagrant disregard of this principle, as by definition the experimentee has to be unaware of the experimenter's intentions in order for the experiment to work properly.

Yet Westerners apparently cannot help themselves. Casual experimentation at every possible opportunity seems to be inseparable from Western behaviour. The kind of experiments they think up to record and upload* are ideas that would never occur to me even if I had nothing else to do. The entire mode of Westerners' interaction with everything around them is one of fundamental disrespect. And they see nothing wrong with it! This is how inferior their entire civilization is.

(* And that they can now make money from it just ensures they will do even more of it......)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: guest5 on February 16, 2021, 11:01:42 pm
I'm not going to post links because I don't want to give them extra clicks, but a type of YouTube video that I have found disgusting is when Western parents/pet owners do experiments on their offspring/pets to see how their pets will react to various stimuli (and record the reaction to upload to make money). Admittedly, these are mostly not physically painful experiments, but they are cruel nonetheless because the children/pets do not understand that they are being experimented upon. To anyone with honour, all interpersonal communication should be based on mutual respect, with all parties having the same information about the context of the communication. One person experimenting on the other is the most flagrant disregard of this principle, as by definition the experimentee has to be unaware of the experimenter's intentions in order for the experiment to work properly.

Yet Westerners apparently cannot help themselves. Endless casual experimentation seems to be inseparable from Western behaviour. The entire mode of Westerners' interaction with everything around them is one of fundamental disrespect. And they see nothing wrong with it! This is how inferior their entire civilization is.

I hate it too! My most notable experience with this is what my "half-sister" does to my nephew sometimes: puts a piece of chocolate in front of him and then tells him he cannot eat any until she gets back in the room. She has the camera hidden and films him sitting in front of the chocolate. Her reasoning is that it teaches patience. I see it as unnecessary torture.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 16, 2021, 11:08:37 pm
"teaches patience"

Did your nephew ask to be taught patience? If so, fair enough. If not, however, you should put a loaded firearm in front of your nephew and tell him that he can shoot your half-sister with it anytime he wants to.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on February 17, 2021, 05:50:27 pm
BTW what is your opinion on lab grown meat?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 17, 2021, 09:38:40 pm
Obviously it is less cruel and less damaging to the environment, so I would of course prefer meat-eaters to eat it in place of slaughtered meat, but I will not be eating it myself (I don't even like vegan meat substitute that too closely resembles meat in flavour/texture!)

It is a strong example of the unique inferiority of Western thinking that even those who are uncomfortable with the slaughter industry would rather invent machines to grow meat than simply cut meat from their diet altogether.

My biggest practical worry is that, if lab grown meat replaces slaughtered meat, the incentive to prohibit meat-eaters from reproducing will evaporate, and thus their inferior bloodlines will remain in the world.

By the way, look at this ****:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat#Religious_considerations

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Jewish rabbinical authorities disagree whether cultured meat is kosher (food that may be consumed, according to Jewish dietary laws). However, many rabbis agree that if the original cells were taken from a slaughtered kosher animal then the cultured meat will be kosher.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: guest5 on February 17, 2021, 10:03:05 pm
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(I don't even like vegan meat substitute that too closely resembles meat in flavour/texture!)

I have never understood why people make vegan food look like meat either, that makes no sense to me at all? And, it usually looks like poop!

I won't be eating synthetic meat either. I don't eat enough to feel too guilty about my mostly vegetarian diet, but when I finally switch to full vegan and start eating regularly I definitely won't be buying any plant-based "meat" products either. Completely defeats the purpose of ethical veganism in the first place in my opinion....


Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on February 18, 2021, 12:38:42 am
Obviously it is less cruel and less damaging to the environment, so I would of course prefer meat-eaters to eat it in place of slaughtered meat, but I will not be eating it myself (I don't even like vegan meat substitute that too closely resembles meat in flavour/texture!)

I find the smell of meat itself to be nauseating and avoid food that has been prepared using utensils that were used for meat.
Also, why do you say "less cruel"?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 18, 2021, 12:50:46 am
The lab grown meat will not be subjected to the experiences of animals currently raised for meat.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on February 18, 2021, 01:12:37 am
So are you saying the lab-grown meat is sentient?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 18, 2021, 01:18:33 am
My statement applies whether or not lab grown meat is sentient.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on February 18, 2021, 01:22:32 am
I should have rephrased: do you believe there is any cruelty at all in consuming lab-grown meat? That was why I was confused about you using "less cruel" instead of "not cruel".
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 18, 2021, 02:16:14 am
Oh! I thought you were suggesting that it was just as cruel!

I recommend assuming the worst. At the very least, sustainable production of lab grown meat would imply preservation of all the DNA of the species involved, which means they are not out of danger. Who knows what will happen in future if someone decides to do other things with the DNA?

https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Chairdogs

Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on February 18, 2021, 02:30:35 am
I agree. Those who are willing to grow animal tissue will sooner or later grow the animal itself, so they can exploit it for their own selfish needs (e.g. cloning).
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on February 18, 2021, 09:31:17 pm
I'm not going to post links because I don't want to give them extra clicks, but a type of YouTube video that I have found disgusting is when Western parents/pet owners do experiments on their offspring/pets to see how their pets will react to various stimuli (and record the reaction to upload to make money).

Another type of video that I find disgusting is predatory animals subduing and consuming prey species. This apparently excites Westerners who call these videos "super cool" and "nature in action".  I on the other hand find such videos sadistic and instinctively want to kill the predator.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on March 11, 2021, 10:26:42 am
At least Westerners haven't tried taking this "thought experiment":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat

And made it a real life experiment - yet...
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: guest5 on March 13, 2021, 12:34:16 pm
Climate change, capitalism and disease are threatening to strike a mortal blow to the world's rubber trees. Do we need to find alternative sources of rubber before it's too late?
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Natural rubber is a uniquely tough, flexible and highly waterproof material. It puts tyres on our vehicles, soles on our shoes, it makes seals for engines and refrigerators, insulates wires and other electrical components. It is used in condoms and clothing, sports balls and the humble elastic bands. Over the past year it has played a pivotal role in the pandemic in personal protective equipment worn by doctors and nurses around the world.

In fact, rubber is deemed to be a commodity of such global importance that it is included on the EU's list of critical raw materials.

Unfortunately, there are signs the world might be running out of natural rubber. Disease, climate change and plunging global prices have put the world's rubber supplies into jeopardy. It has led scientists to search for a solution before it's too late.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210308-rubber-the-wonder-material-we-are-running-out-of?utm_source=pocket-newtab
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 20, 2021, 10:02:46 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vX6T-CBF2s
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on March 30, 2021, 02:35:38 am
Agent Smith on sustainability:
https://youtu.be/JrBdYmStZJ4

Ever wonder why they went out of their way to make Smith the bad guy (even going so far as to have an actor with a non-Aryan phenotype play him)? Because they knew red-pill junkies would take the story at face value, and Aryans would be too late to decipher the story's true meaning. Coupled with Agent Smith's motive of wanting to destroy "Zion", the parallels with today's world are simply too much to be a coincidence. Seriously, what do you think?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 19, 2021, 10:08:55 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/italians-caught-police-tucking-clandestine-112736331.html

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a group of Italian public officials are being investigated after being caught tucking into a bacchanalian feast of protected songbirds.
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More than 60 birds were found by Carabinieri officers – around three tiny bodies for each diner.
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Eating diminutive songbirds may not appeal to many people but it is seen as a delicacy in some parts of Europe.

Gourmets in France are notorious for their love of eating ortolan buntings, tiny birds which are captured alive, fed grain, drowned in a vat of Armagnac and then roasted whole.

Diners drape their heads with linen napkins as they crunch their way through the birds’ bones.

The napkin is to preserve the aroma of the roasted birds – and, it is said, to hide the diners’ shame from the eyes of God.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 26, 2021, 10:46:25 pm
https://newrepublic.com/article/114621/national-parks-popular-white-people-not-minorities-why

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White people simply love to spend their free time walking up and down mountains and sleeping in the forest. Search "hiking" in Google Images and see how far you have to scroll to find a nonwhite person. Ditto rock climbing, kayaking, canoeing, and so on. That white people love the outdoors is so widely accepted as fact that it's become a running joke. The website Stuff White People Like has no less than three entries on the subject: "Making you feel bad about not going outside" (#9), "Outdoor Performance Clothes" (#87), and "Camping" (#128). The latter entry reads, "If you find yourself trapped in the middle of the woods without electricity, running water, or a car you would likely describe that situation as a 'nightmare' or 'a worse case scenario like after plane crash or something.' White people refer to it as 'camping.'"
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Many white Americans who grew up going to the parks had towering figures of outdoor history — not to mention family tradition — blazing the trail as examples. And those examples, like Daniel Boone and the fur trappers of the Old West, tended to be white.
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As Stuff White People Like says, "In theory camping should be a very inexpensive activity since you are literally sleeping on the ground. But as with everything in white culture, the more simple it appears the more expensive it actually is." You may need to fly to your destination; otherwise, you'll need a car and a full tank of gas. A backpack, tent, and the necessary gear will run you at least $1,000. And then you need some free time—which, if you work two jobs, you probably don't have. That may explain why 40 percent of outdoor participants come from households with incomes of $75,000 or more, according to the Outdoor Foundation's report.

Rightists frequently claim that "whites" care more about the environment. They seem to think that deriving pleasure from activities in wild habitats is the same thing as caring for the environment. (Similarly, keeping non-human species from going extinct (in order that humans can enjoy their existence) by violently forcing them to reproduce is not caring for non-humans.) If anything, the opposite is the case. I personally avoid hiking etc. in order to minimize the chances of accidentally stepping on innocent victims in the process. If for some reason I had to hike, I wouldn't be able to enjoy it anyway because I would constantly be looking down at the ground and worrying about stepping on an innocent victim. In other words, the very psychological capacity for enjoying hiking is already sufficient evidence of their lack of care for those who might be impacted by it.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 29, 2021, 12:52:57 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCO1NaM7WVc

Ignore Kasparian's stupidity about "endangered species", which is part of the problem. If all endangered species had been allowed to go extinct (as would have been the case in absence of Western civilization), there wouldn't even have been an elephant for LaPierre to shoot in the first place.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 03, 2021, 01:02:37 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyzdP4aHVFw

Remember that if Western civilization had never existed, this would not be happening.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on May 03, 2021, 10:19:49 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/oklahoma-state-university-bull-rider-111517917.html

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An Oklahoma State University college student has died after being bucked off of his bull during a bull riding competition in Texas.

What is with Westerners torturing cows for entertainment?

(https://www.monsterenergy.com/media/uploads_image/2018/09/19/1600/800/839d473fae6ad782bd59832e4ea86e03.jpg)

Of course the Old World version is even worse:

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article22182400.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200b/3_Masterclass-of-bullfighting-in-Malaga-Spain-30-May-2020.jpg)

Madrid's matadors return to the bullring:
https://youtu.be/2IDGXGxmhVs

Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 03, 2021, 10:22:26 pm
"Madrid's matadors return to the bullring:"

Remember: this is what VOX supports.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/vox/
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on May 03, 2021, 10:46:08 pm
"Remember: this is what VOX supports."
Meanwhile:
https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/the-romance-and-reality-of-bullfighting-2
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On July 28, 2010, Catalonia became the first mainland region of Spain to ban bullfighting, known in Spanish as la corrida de toros, or “the running of the bulls” (bullfighting was banned in the Canary Islands in 1991). The new law, which will take effect on Jan. 1, 2012, is being celebrated by Spanish animal rights activists and humanitarians as an important victory for civilized and enlightened values in Spain. (Update: The ban was overturned by Spain’s Constitutional Court in October 2016.)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on May 04, 2021, 05:03:33 am
" I personally avoid hiking etc. in order to minimize the chances of accidentally stepping on innocent victims in the process."

Growing up, upon learning about Jainism and their practice of covering their faces in order to minimize harming insects, I would always look down at the ground before stepping outside my house to avoid stepping on ants. Alas, I have lost this level of high sensitivity, but sincerely wish I could get it back.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 04, 2021, 10:13:41 pm
Here is another example of what Westerners mean when they say they "love" wildlife:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-wildlife-lover-become-one-100029357.html

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How did a wildlife lover become one of the bloodiest poachers in California history?
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A cottonwood tree near the Parkers’ home was strung up with grisly ornamentation – several dead raptors, all at varying stages of decomposition. Other bodies were scattered around the tree’s base, approximately a dozen in all.
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The dead raptors recovered on that day in 2018 were only the tip of a blood-red iceberg.

Richard Parker, a seemingly ordinary country gentleman, appeared to have a secret, sadistic hobby and the anonymous tipster had led Kinnard to uncover one of the bloodiest poaching cases in California history.
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Recollecting the broader examination of the property, Kroll describes a scene of complete carnage within a 300-yard radius of the Parker home. “Every bird within reach of his house, anything he could hit, was lying there on the ground. Dozens and dozens of carcasses.”
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“As he entered his property by vehicle, any raptors he’d see perched along the access road he’d shoot,” Kroll says. “It was a row of dots along the road and around his home.”
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The man who relished the hunt

The man wildlife agents took into custody that day had not necessarily lived a life indicative of a future sport killer. Richard Earl Parker was born and raised in Lassen county. He graduated from Susanville high school, and after receiving his bachelor’s degree from Sacramento State University in 1973, he returned to the area to settle down.
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Indeed, local residents tell the Guardian that Parker viewed the Honey Lake Valley as a manor and himself as its lord.

And like all standard-issue country gentlemen, Parker relished a stalk and a hunt.

Sport hunting in many parts of rural America sits at an awkward philosophical crossroads between conservationism and libertarianism. On the one hand, there is a rationale for the preservation of wild lands, which arises from a mixture of legitimate appreciation for nature and simple supply-and-demand economics: better habitats attract more creatures to hunt. On the other hand, there is a natural tension between the autonomy of the hunter and the conservationist machinations of the state.
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In the late 1990s, shortly after purchasing the property in Standish, Parker asked state forestry authorities to set a controlled fire on his land. Parker thought the riverside property was a perfect nesting ground for waterfowl. But at the time, it was infested with whitetop, an invasive weed that chokes out competing grasses.

The controlled blaze, administered in November 1999, wiped out a mat of whitetop and made way for the area’s natural weeds and grasses to take root.

“What I was going to grow was wildlife, little critters, waterfowl,” Parker told the Lassen County News just after the fire. “My interest is to have birds and wildlife around me.”
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“Poaching can be taking one too many trout from a pond, or redirecting a creek on your own property,” says Foy. “But there are individuals who seem to enjoy killing for the sake of killing,” he says, noting that in cases where the body count is as high as Parker’s, it is difficult to identify a motive other than rank cruelty or sadism.

“Who knows what the true extent was,” Kroll says of Parker’s crimes. “We uncovered a hundredfold more than we assumed we’d find. But things don’t last long in the wild. The true extent of the carnage was probably much greater. We truly think that his kill number was so much higher than what we were able to collect.”

Of course the government is no better:

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“Because of the case disposition, a huge sum of money went back into community conservation and education programs,” he explains. Per the California fish code, 10% of fish and wildlife-related fines go to individual county fish and game commissions, which can reinvest those funds to the benefit of local ecology. Seventy-five hundred dollars goes a long way in Lassen county.

They might donate the money to a fishing program for inner-city youth,” Kroll says,

This is why our enemies can write seriously a line like the following that we couldn't even write in parody:

https://vdare.com/posts/was-sean-connery-the-ideal-james-bond

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Fleming loved wildlife and loved killing it. When his friend King George VI died in 1952, Fleming wrote in his diary, ” “I think he was a very good, but probably not a great, shot.”

This "love" is probably the same type of "love" described by the BGM you recently posted:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/the-birth-of-civilisation-cult-of-the-skull-(8800-bc-to-6500-bc)/msg6002/#msg6002
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on May 04, 2021, 10:36:45 pm
Similarly, Westerners say they "love" animals, but then eat the animals!
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 04, 2021, 10:46:59 pm
Along similar lines, they describe fishing as an activity for "peaceful" people, even as every fish taken out of water goes through at least as much suffering as George Floyd. Oh wait:

https://meaww.com/derek-chauvin-estranged-wife-kellie-chauvin-described-george-floyd-alleged-killer-softie-gentleman

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Kellie Chauvin: Derek Chauvin's ex had once called him a gentleman; 'under that uniform, he's just a softie'

Behold Western use of language.....
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 05, 2021, 11:37:53 pm
More Western "love":

https://www.yahoo.com/news/going-florida-man-posed-doomed-193019285.html

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A Florida man who is seen in a widely shared Facebook photo smiling while holding up a distressed shark said he isn’t the one who caught the fish and feels bad about posing with it.

“I’ve never seen one before,” Joseph Wilson told the Citrus County Chronicle. “He had a rope tied to its tail and it was still in the water. I said, ‘Can I take a picture of it?’”

The 22-year-old Lutz resident said he then picked it up for “about 10 seconds” before putting it back in the water. “I’m an animal lover. I would never do anything to hurt one.”
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Witnesses told WFLA that the shark did not survive. The creature was gutted, its blood spilling into the river nicknamed The Chazz.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 07, 2021, 01:01:51 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHEgZwZ8HrI
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on May 08, 2021, 08:40:41 am
Note the comments full of idiot Westerners arguing that hatcheries are "not as bad" as factory farms. This was another point I wanted to bring up: most Westerners (both False Leftists and even some rightists) seem to only have a problem with industrial animal "farming". They actually advocate returning to the pre industrial form of livestock domestication on the basis that it is more "ethical"! Of course they occasionally let slip their true intention behind this when they argue how the meat will also be "tastier".
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 09, 2021, 10:16:26 pm
Sustainability comes full circle (as I predicted):

https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-weighs-allowing-limited-harvest-123717439.html

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FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — Florida may lift its three-decade ban on catching and killing goliath groupers, with wildlife officials saying the coastal fish's numbers have rebounded from when they were driven to near-extinction by overfishing and environmental damage.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission will consider on Wednesday a staff proposal to allow 100 goliaths to be caught and kept annually during a four-year period. Supported by fishing groups, the proposal calls for a lottery to issue $300-per-week licenses that allow each recipient to catch and kill one goliath, with proceeds funding research of the species.

The goliath almost died off in the 1980s from overfishing and pollution and is not allowed to be caught in any other state or federal waters.

The fish is a favorite of underwater photographers for its docile demeanor and mammoth size — adults typically weigh 400 pounds (180 kilograms) but can exceed 800 (360 kilograms). While the species' population is unknown, state officials believe it has grown enough to allow the limited catch.

“Goliath is a recovering stock, becoming more abundant in parts of Florida, especially on artificial reefs,” the commission staff wrote in its recommendation.
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Coastal Conservation Association Florida, a recreational fishing group, believes the goliath's numbers can handle the limited catch, said Trip Aukeman, its advocacy director.

“The fishery looks healthy and there should be some kind of harvest open to recreational fishermen,” Aukeman said. A limited catch would provide scientists with samples to ascertain the species' health, he said.

This is Western civilization: perpetuate the species in order to victimize the individuals endlessly.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 12, 2021, 01:33:11 am
And it begins again:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/illinois-researchers-working-save-ornate-161050294.html

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FRANKLIN GROVE, Ill. (AP) — A team of Illinois researchers is using dogs to track down a threatened species of turtle.

Researchers believe ornate box turtles, once living in half of Illinois' 102 counties, are found in less than 10.

One known home for the species is in Lee County, and a team from the Chicago Zoological Society and the University of Illinois spent Friday surveying the 3,800-acre (1,500-hectare) Nachusa Grasslands.

A team paced through the grasses trying to spot the small turtles, aided by a group of Boykin spaniels that can sniff out the turtles’ trail. When a human or a dog located a turtle, researchers made notes about the reptile's eyes, ears, nose and took physical measurements along with a blood sample.

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Just letting the species go extinct would be infinitely preferable to terrorizing the turtles like this! But that's not how Western civilization sees it. The Western attitude can only be explained by a Gnostic worldview. Yahweh created the species, therefore species preservationism is a way of worshipping Yahweh. The individuals, on the other hand, are spirits belonging to the true God, therefore why would Yahweh-worshippers care about them?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on May 13, 2021, 06:54:16 pm
Rodeo roping exposed:
https://youtu.be/E3KorOy-2l4
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on May 14, 2021, 12:30:04 pm
Are sharks being used in COVID vaccines?:
http://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/what-is-squalene-do-some-covid-19-vaccines-have-shark-in-them-squalene-what-is-squalene-what-are-the-ingredients-in-some-of-the-covid-19-vaccines-fact/65-5afbbdc7-a462-4b27-b4db-fe5358a501d0

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Squalene is a fat molecule harvested from the oil in shark liver, and it has been used as an additive to a few COVID-19 vaccines in development.

Anyone who is aware of this but still chooses to take the vaccine fully deserves all the adverse effects of it (unless they were forced to take it). Of course, knowing how the Demiurge works, those probably most affected by the adverse effects would be the ones who were not only unaware of this, but would also be appalled by this. What do you think?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 17, 2021, 10:15:25 pm
https://broadway.me/australia-mouse-plague-is-poison-and-is-to-be-fought-with-the-help-of-millions/

Western cognitive dissonance:

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Australia: Mouse plague is poison and is to be fought with the help of millions
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He announced that he wanted to get approval for a poison that had previously been banned. The so-called promethazine is the “strongest mouse poison” in the world. According to the Minister, “Like the use of Nebam against rats”.

In reality, Western civilization is the poison.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 22, 2021, 10:25:09 pm
How to do Western science:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-shot-tardigrades-gun-more-180723566.html

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Scientists shot tardigrades out of a gun at more than 2,000 mph to see if the critters could survive
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according to a recent study in the journal Astrobiology, even seemingly indestructible tardigrades have their limits.

The researchers shot canisters full of tardigrades out of a high-speed gun at various speeds to see if the creatures could survive the pressure of each resulting impact.

After being shot out at speeds under 900 meters per second (about 2,000 miles per hour) - that's faster than your average bullet - the tardigrades could be revived. Any faster than that, according to Alejandra Traspas, an astrochemist at Queen Mary University in London and a co-author of the study, and they didn't make it.

Being shot more than 2,000 mph meant the critters experienced 1.14 gigapascals of pressure on impact - that's equivalent to the pressure of about 40,000 people standing on your back at once.

"They just mush," Traspas told Science.

Yet science continues to be seen as some kind of sacred profession by most of the world.....

Actually, scientists are probably the best example of our point that there is nothing automatically superior (or even respectable) about people with high IQ test scores.

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Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on May 22, 2021, 10:43:52 pm
"Yet science continues to be seen as some kind of sacred profession by most of the world....."
Indeed, including (unfortunately) most of the formerly non-Western world.

"Actually, scientists are probably the best example of our point that there is nothing automatically superior (or even respectable) about people with high IQ test scores."

Absolutely. I cringe when I see "non-Whites" in Western countries talking about how their countries of origin are inferior because of "low IQ" (e.g. India) and how they should focus on increasing the average IQ test score in order to become "developed".
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on May 25, 2021, 08:50:44 pm
The Western mindset regarding environmental sustainability is to encourage all the things circled in green (except eating a plant-based diet, for some reason). Note that Western civilization is the reason why basically all the 'problems' listed on the chart exist in the first place. (Further note that the person making the chart had to duplicate part of the chart to expand the bars in order to fill space and make it look like the other options even had any impact...)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Wynes_Nicholas_CO2_emissions_savings.svg/653px-Wynes_Nicholas_CO2_emissions_savings.svg.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wynes_Nicholas_CO2_emissions_savings.svg

Not having a child is an order of magnitude better than all the other 'solutions' combined. However, this would break the cycle and there would be nothing to continue sustaining if children stopped being born, so Westerners do not even consider this as a potential option.

Of course, in reality, society would continue to exist and sustain itself even if families were limited to a single child (China has certainly not stopped existing). I guess the Western mindset is so heavily linked with infinite expansion that simply imagining all the potential grand-children, great-grandchildren, etc. that could not be born in the future is considered antithetical to the Western way of looking at sustainability. Therefore reducing the number of humans is off the table since they do not view that as a future worth sustaining?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on May 25, 2021, 09:00:10 pm
It has long been a popular "conspiracy" to suggest that medical companies would rather people be unhealthy in order to continue charging them for treatment, instead of curing them. Well, now it is proven that this is indeed how they think.

The least cynical interpretation for the following article is that these companies are simply going to stop investing in researching medical techniques for certain types of diseases which can be eradicated, since they will not yield a sustainable return on investment. This is different than intentionally withholding (already existing) curative treatment to patients in order to suck the money out of them with recurring treatments like a vampire. Or buying and suppressing the rights to already-existing treatments, in order to continue using ones which are more financially sustainable to the companies.

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Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: ‘Is curing patients a sustainable business model?’
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“The potential to deliver ‘one shot cures’ is one of the most attractive aspects of gene therapy, genetically-engineered cell therapy and gene editing. However, such treatments offer a very different outlook with regard to recurring revenue versus chronic therapies,” analyst Salveen Richter wrote in the note to clients Tuesday. “While this proposition carries tremendous value for patients and society, it could represent a challenge for genome medicine developers looking for sustained cash flow.”
[...]
“GILD is a case in point, where the success of its hepatitis C franchise has gradually exhausted the available pool of treatable patients,” the analyst wrote. “In the case of infectious diseases such as hepatitis C, curing existing patients also decreases the number of carriers able to transmit the virus to new patients, thus the incident pool also declines … Where an incident pool remains stable (eg, in cancer) the potential for a cure poses less risk to the sustainability of a franchise.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 25, 2021, 10:51:33 pm
"I guess the Western mindset is so heavily linked with infinite expansion that simply imagining all the potential grand-children, great-grandchildren, etc. that could not be born in the future is considered antithetical to the Western way of looking at sustainability. Therefore reducing the number of humans is off the table since they do not view that as a future worth sustaining?"

I just want to emphasize how obliviously sadistic many ordinary Westerners are:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/demographic-time-bomb-hit-italy-183207274.html

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"Once you could hear the babies in the nursery cry, and it was like music," Sciullo told the New York Times. "Now there is silence and a feeling of emptiness."

They literally enjoy listening to children suffering!!!

And click here if you want to be grossed out:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fertility-treatment-too-expensive-had-164648919.html (the author is almost certainly a Jew)

Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 27, 2021, 01:04:31 am
Another full circle:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/short-block-horseshoe-crab-harvest-145836725.html

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After short block, horseshoe crab harvest on SC wildlife refuge allowed to continue again

Westerners: "As long as it is sustainable, what's the problem?"

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Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 27, 2021, 11:43:46 pm
What happens when Western civilization assumes a species had already gone extinct and then discovers otherwise?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/extinct-giant-tortoise-found-galapagos-211205101.html

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An elderly female tortoise discovered during a 2019 expedition has been identified as a chelonoidis phantasticus, also known as fernandina giant tortoise.
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The female is currently at a breeding centre in Santa Cruz Island
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Danny Rueda, director of the Galapagos National Park, said that a future expedition would look for more individuals. "This discovery undoubtedly renews our hope for the recovery of this species," he said.

They will imprison you and force you to reproduce whether you like it or not.

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No other civilization does this. So why do all the other civilizations accept it when Western civilization does it?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 29, 2021, 03:54:49 am
More of the same:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/back-brink-iberian-lynx-population-132926823.html

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MADRID (Reuters) - The Iberian lynx population in Portugal and Spain rose above 1,000 last year after 414 cubs were born under a joint breeding programme, in a major leap towards conserving the endangered species, Spain's Environment Ministry said on Friday.

The initiative was launched in 2002 when the number of Iberian lynx, a wild cat native to the Iberian Peninsula, plunged to just 94 in Spain and none in Portugal, due to farming, poaching and road accidents.

By the end of last year there were 1,111 Iberian lynx living in the wild in the region, including 239 breeding females, the ministry said in a statement. The number was a record high since monitoring of the species began, it said.

There is no escape so long as Western civilization continues.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 04, 2021, 04:20:55 am
Westerners do sustainable evil for cash prizes!

https://us.yahoo.com/news/hunt-burmese-pythons-florida-natives-152013243.html

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MIAMI (AP) — Professional python hunters and amateurs alike have a chance to win prizes in Florida's annual hunt for the biggest snakes — the Burmese pythons that are ravaging the state's native species.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis announced the state's annual contest on Thursday: It will run from July 9 to 18 and include prizes for both pros and novices. In both categories, there will be a $2,500 prize for catching the most pythons and $1,500 for the longest.

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It is DeSantis who needs to be hunted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_DeSantis

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In 2013, DeSantis introduced the Palestinian Accountability Act, which would halt U.S. aid to the Palestinian Authority until it formally recognizes Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state and cuts off all ties with the militant group Hamas.[158]

In 2016, DeSantis co-introduced the Non-Discrimination of Israel in Labeling Act, which would defend the right of Israeli producers to label products manufactured in the West Bank as "Israeli", "Made in Israel," or "Product of Israel."[159] He supported the relocation of the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.[160]

As governor, DeSantis pledged to be "the most pro-Israel governor in America".[161] In light of Airbnb's decision to no longer allow rentals of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, on January 15, 2019, DeSantis directed the Department of Management Services to no longer reimburse state employees and state contractors for travel expenses incurred with Airbnb;[162] later that month he accepted the State Board of Administration's recommendation to place Airbnb on Florida's "Scrutinized Companies List".[163] In May, DeSantis visited Israel, accompanied by megadonor to his 2018 gubernatorial campaign and staunch Zionist Sheldon Adelson, to attend a ceremony held between Florida Atlantic University and Ariel University, celebrating the agreement of a plan to exchange and research opportunities between the universities' respective students.[161][164]
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DeSantis was a critic of Obama's immigration policies; he opposed Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA) and accused him of failing to enforce immigration laws.[179][180] DeSantis opposes "sanctuary cities."[181] He is a co-sponsor of the Establishing Mandatory Minimums for Illegal Reentry Act of 2015, also known as Kate's Law, which would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to increase penalties applicable to aliens who unlawfully reenter the United States after being removed.[182] In 2017, DeSantis spoke at ACT! for America, an anti-Muslim advocacy group.[183]
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According to the Tampa Bay Times, DeSantis "made a name for himself [in 2017] attacking special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election."[192]

DeSantis proposed an amendment that would halt funding for Mueller's 2017 Special Counsel investigation probe six months after the amendment's passage.[193] In addition, the provision would prohibit Mueller from investigating matters that occurred before June 2015, when Trump launched his presidential campaign.[194] In December 2017, DeSantis asserted that if there was any evidence of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and Russian officials, it would already have been leaked.[195]
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After Donald Trump lost the 2020 election and refused to concede while making false claims of fraud, DeSantis and other Republicans proposed changes to restrict voting rights in Florida.
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In response to social media networks removing Donald Trump from their platforms, DeSantis and other Florida Republicans pushed legislation in the Florida legislature to prohibit technology companies from de-platforming political candidates.[214]

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Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 11, 2021, 12:29:47 am
How to do Western science contd.:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/backlash-against-frightening-tests-whales-235349303.html

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The project, the largest of its kind ever attempted, is due to begin any day now.
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The goal is to use huge nets to drive 12 young minke whales into a holding pen - and local observers have confirmed that everything seems ready.

According to the Norwegian Food Safety Authority, the official body that's authorised the project, each whale will be held for up to six hours.

They will undergo blood tests and have electrodes fitted under their skin to measure their hearing.
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It is officially acknowledged that the whales will experience pain, particularly while they are held between two rafts while their hearing is tested.

The Norwegian Food Safety Authority judges that the severity of the experiment will be "moderate" and it defines what that means: "Animals are likely to experience short-term moderate pain, suffering or distress, or long-lasting mild pain, suffering or distress," it said.

It also said that "moderately severe" experiments of this kind "are likely to cause moderate impairment of the well-being or general condition of the animals".

But it concludes that by learning more about how noise pollution disturbs marine animals, the research will benefit minke whales and other species - so it should go ahead.

In other words, because noise pollution disturbs marine animals, Western scientists will disturb them with even more noise in order to study how disturbed they can be.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 24, 2021, 10:38:58 pm
https://sports.yahoo.com/florida-diver-praised-spearing-record-170937521.html

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A Florida diver set two records recently by spearing and removing a large lionfish from the Gulf of Mexico.

The lionfish measured 18.7 inches and weighed 3.77 pounds, making it the longest and heaviest of its species speared in Florida’s Gulf waters.

Whitfield, while diving June 10 off Okaloosa County, was participating in a state-sponsored program that encourages the removal of invasive lionfish by any legal means of fishing.
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According to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, two species of lionfish native to the Indo-Pacific have “invaded” Florida waters and may pose a significant threat to native wildlife and habitat.

Remember: this is how our enemies view us also. But when they themselves actually invade, they call it "discovery".

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The state now offers prize incentives and sponsors tournaments specific to lionfish. The annual Lionfish Challenge is an integral link in the population control effort.

In 2019, 25,000 lionfish were removed during the Challenge. In 2020, 21,569 lionfish were harvested and David Connerth was proclaimed Lionfish King after he removed 1,141 lionfish via recreational fishing methods.

Isidoro Bedoya was named Commercial Champion after removing 1,196.5 pounds of lionfish.

The state also recognizes weight and length records in spearfishing and hook-and-line categories for Atlantic and Gulf waters.

Whitfield’s speared lionfish, at 3.77 pounds, is the heaviest overall. The angling weight record stands at 2.3 pounds, set by Darren Parker in the Gulf in 2016.

Sustainability and record-breaking at the same time! So Western!

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Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on July 10, 2021, 10:00:06 am
Video illustrating sustainability:
https://youtu.be/CxC161GvMPc
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 18, 2021, 03:27:32 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X8jhOkEh-g
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 21, 2021, 10:00:57 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/news/utah-encouraging-people-catch-twice-214936664.html

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Utah is encouraging people to catch up to twice the fish they're normally allowed as rising water temperatures threaten to kill off supplies

In other words:

1) Western civilization cause global warming.
2) Global warming kills fish.
3) Western civilization recommends Westerners kill fish before global warming kills fish.

Anyone who is serious about solving the problem should understand that it is Western civilization and Westerners - the ones who created the problem - who need to be killed off.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 24, 2021, 09:40:18 pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57881979

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Thousands of racehorses are being sent to slaughterhouses in Britain and Ireland, a BBC Panorama investigation has found.

Some of the slaughtered animals were once owned and trained by some of the biggest names in racing.

Covert recording also showed how rules designed to protect horses from a cruel death appear to be regularly ignored at one of the UK's biggest abattoirs.
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The horses had retired from racing due to injury, he said

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/olympics/msg7426/#msg7426
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 27, 2021, 03:13:25 am
https://us.yahoo.com/news/volunteers-killed-dozens-mountain-goats-161958377.html

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More than 100 volunteers killed dozens of mountain goats in Grand Teton National Park last fall. This year they’ll kill even more, park officials said.

Grand Teton National Park officials started a multi-year program to kill non-native mountain goats that invaded the area from Idaho. They think removing the goats is absolutely necessary to protect the park and the Teton Range’s herd of about 125 native bighorn sheep.
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Grand Teton National Park isn’t the only one using skilled volunteers to kill invasive animals. The Grand Canyon also sought volunteers to kill hundreds of bison over five years.

Non-humans have been freely migrating from area to area for millions of years without problems. Then Western civilization came along and came up with the abstraction of "invasive animals". In reality, there is nothing more invasive than Westerners deciding where other people can and cannnot migrate to.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 08, 2021, 11:42:53 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/happens-allow-hundreds-snake-hunters-162000871.html

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Gov. Ron DeSantis, in between battling with President Joe Biden about mask mandates, announced that the 2021 Florida Python Challenge has a new king.

The 10-day event, from July 9-18, resulted in the removal of a record 223 invasive pythons from South Florida, DeSantis said.
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“Invasive Burmese pythons have wreaked havoc in the Everglades, negatively impacting native ecosystem and biodiversity,” DeSantis said.

Spoken while it is actually Westerners wreaking havoc:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E79HwW1WUAMQ1uI?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
Post by: guest55 on August 21, 2021, 01:16:12 pm
‘Ten years ago this was science fiction’: the rise of weedkilling robots
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The makers of robot weeders say the machines can reduce pesticide use and be part of a more sustainable food system
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/14/weedkilling-robots-farming-pesticide-use-sustainable?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Even with the massive amount of information out there now about how "weeds" actually increase soil health and effect the crops you are trying to grow in a positive way. How much energy did it take to build the robot and how much energy does it take to maintain the robot?

Westerners are so dumb. But hey, it gives them a chance to get one of their precious machines involved in something, even if it was completely unnecessary in the first place.

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Weeds Bring Nutrients to the Surface
Weed roots absorb nutrients and bring them up towards the surface of the soil where they are more easily accessible to other plants. Some weeds also produce carbon which can help with water retention and further increase nutrient levels and organic matter in the soil.
https://www.kellogggarden.com/blog/soil/how-garden-weeds-help-create-healthy-soil/
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 30, 2021, 10:32:21 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfACg2f_dyM

I see Murder Westerners attacking innocent hornets.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 13, 2021, 12:35:35 am
https://us.yahoo.com/news/family-wild-boars-organized-cage-095900563.html

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A wild boar carried out a daring mission to free two piglets from a trap, demonstrating high levels of intelligence and empathy, a new paper published in Scientific Reports shows.

The incident, which occurred in January 2020, was documented by a team of scientists from the Czech University of Life Sciences at the Voděradské Bučiny National Nature Reserve.

The wild boar trap, which used corn as bait, had been set up to help researchers study prevention measures for African Swine Fever.

A camera captured images of two juvenile boars becoming entrapped together for two hours and 30 minutes.

A group of around eight wild boars eventually arrived at the site of the trap, led by one fully grown female boar.

In an attempt to free the trapped boars, the female boar charged at strategic points where wooden logs were blocking the doors of the trap.The report said the female boar's mane was visibly erect, known as piloerection, which scientists said is an indication of distress.

Researchers said that it appeared that the other boars were attempting to help the female with the rescue operation.

Within six minutes of beginning the rescue attempt, the female boar released the first log blocking the front of the trap.

The entire rescue mission lasted about 29 minutes, after which point the trap was released and the boars freed.

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Scientists believe this is the first documented case of wild boar demonstrating rescue behavior, which some consider a "complex form of empathy."

If the Western scientists themselves had enough empathy to not trap boars in the first place, they might have enough empathy to know without the need for experiments (as probably all of us here do) that boars have empathy. But they don't. So they will keep doing Western science instead. Until we kill Western civilization.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: arthuriana on September 20, 2021, 11:50:49 am
The cognitive dissonance of westerners makes my head hurt:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58627325
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Pig farmers fear they may soon have to start killing their animals because of a carbon dioxide shortage at abattoirs caused by soaring gas prices.

That’s literally what they‘re rearing them for. They’re just upset they‘ll have to do the deed themselves.

And because they’ll loose profits:

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On-farm killing means the meat is not something that would be able to enter the food supply chain. "It would be wasted," she said.

Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 06, 2021, 12:14:49 am
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-fined-60-000-feeding-135552604.html

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Woman fined $60,000 for feeding bears in ‘precedent-setting’ case
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Three bears that routinely visited the area were euthanized because they had become habituated as a result of illegal feeding and posed a safety threat.
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Visiting black bears exhibited no fear of humans and had become so conditioned to non-natural food that they were deemed ineligible for rehabilitation or relocation.

Says Western civilization, with its insane notion that food from humans is "non-natural food".
 
(In contrast, not so long ago:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58196663

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Some time in March 2020, a herd of about 14 elephants decided to leave this jungle paradise, heading north.
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Wild elephants are known to roam freely and regularly in the region, such that one city, Pu'er, even runs "elephant canteens" to feed their large visitors.
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Elephants are known for their voracious appetite, and so far they have wolfed down a staggering 180 tonnes of corn, bananas, pineapples and other food laid out for them.

And as we all saw, no harm was caused by the feeding.)
Title: Re: Western civilization is a health hazard
Post by: guest55 on October 08, 2021, 10:52:04 pm
Creation of First Human-Monkey Embryos Sparks Concern
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Called chimeras, these lab-grown creations have been hailed as a major scientific breakthrough. But some ethics experts see reason for worry
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Imagine pigs with human hearts or mice whose brains have a spark of human intelligence. Scientists are cultivating a flock of such experimental creations, called chimeras, by injecting potent human cells into mice, rats, pigs and cows. They hope the new combinations might one day be used to grow human organs for transplants, study human illnesses or to test new drugs.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/creation-of-first-human-monkey-embryos-sparks-concern-11619442382?st=3etd8c16d0twzrr&mod=ff_0521
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on October 22, 2021, 01:30:36 am
An "endangered" crane killed 2 male cranes who wanted to mate with her and later bonded with a human instead. In return? The bird was r*ped so Western civilization could continue to derive pleasure from the knowledge that the species is being perpetuated...

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Walnut is rumored to have killed not one, but two male crane suitors in the past.

“That’s the story that came with her,” Crowe tells PEOPLE, “but we haven’t been able to confirm it. We definitely know other [zoos] have tried to pair her, and when we got her, we were told she killed two males who they tried to put with her, and the reason she was sent here is because we can do artificial insemination — but also because we can keep her separate from other cranes. She can see them, but she can’t actually fight with them.”

Like many birds, cranes mate for life, and Walnut — thought to have initially imprinted upon a human who hand-raised her as chick— has fallen hard for the soft-spoken zookeeper who was hired over a decade ago by the Smithsonian to care for her (and other zoo birds). And, according to research, birds who fall in love usually have more reproductive success.

“We both came here the same year, 2004,” says Crowe. “She was here a month before I was. I was assigned to be the primary crane keeper, five out of every seven days … I would take care of her every day, five days a week.” His prior work experience with whooping cranes helped him get the position, but according to Crowe, Walnut took a while to warm up to him.

“She did not like me right away. She was fairly territorial and [made] a lot of threat displays. She probably pecked at my foot and leg a few times initially, but she was a lot more approachable than all the other cranes,” explains Crowe. “All the other ones would step back and be a little more wary, whereas she would come right up to me. Over time — partly because I took care of her, and partly because she had imprinted on people in the past, she kind of just stuck with me and gradually became more comfortable with me being around in her pen and taking care of her.”

Eventually, Walnut stopped acting territorial and quit threatening Crowe, but he still couldn’t get too close to her — maybe only within a few feet.

“It took a while before I could train her to stand still and let me do the artificial insemination technique,” says Crowe. Yes, you read that right: the 42-year-old zookeeper has helped to facilitate the birth of seven chicks with the 37-year-old endangered bird.
[...]
When she started warming up to me, she would do some of the crane courtship [rituals] which involve running around with the wings flapping, bobbing her head, jumping up and down, flapping her wings, and picking up crumbs or grass or flowers and tossing them in the air and catching them,” recalls Crowe. “When I recognized what she was doing, I did my best to imitate it. If I saw her bobbing her head, I started bobbing my head. If she was flapping her wings at me, I’d flap my arms as if they were wings. I’m sure I wasn’t doing it right for her, but she compromised, or put up with it, and it seemed to help us bond.”

After this courtship phase, Crowe eventually moved on to his artificial insemination efforts, which have helped to increase the endangered crane population.
https://people.com/pets/walnut-crane-zookeeper-chris-crowe-mate-for-life-smithsonian-zoo/
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 30, 2021, 11:00:28 pm
https://www.vox.com/down-to-earth/22796160/invasive-species-climate-change-range-shifting

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t’s time to stop demonizing “invasive” species

Climate change is forcing some animals to move. Don’t call them “invasives.”

I too had been criticizing the uniquely Western concept of "invasive species" earlier:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg7287/#msg7287

Continuing:

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Ecologists expect climate change to create mass alterations in the habitats of these “range-shifting” or “climate-tracking” species, as they’re sometimes called, which will reshuffle ecosystems in ways that are hard to predict. The migrations are critical to species’ ability to survive hotter temperatures.
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“Invasive species” is a concept so ingrained in American consciousness that it’s taken on a life of its own, coloring the way we judge the health of ecosystems and neatly dividing life on Earth into native and invasive.
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For decades, invasion has been a defining paradigm in environmental policy, determining what gets done with limited conservation budgets. Species deemed invasive have often been killed in gruesome ways. Even though invasion biologists readily point out that many non-native species never become problematic, the invasion concept almost by definition makes scientists skeptical of species moving around.

Examples of those gruesome ways are available in this topic.

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Detractors said that merely linking climate-tracking species with invaders taints them by association. Range-shifters ought to be seen “not as invasive species to keep out, but rather as the refugees of climate change that need our assistance,

This. See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/climate-refugees/

No one here ever said climate refugees are limited to humans only.

So, most importantly. which civilization was it which came up with the stupid concept of "invasive species"?

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The origins of “invasive” species

“Invasive species” might feel like a firmly established scientific category, but invasion biology, which studies the impacts of non-native species, is a relatively young field.

British ecologist Charles Elton drew attention to non-native species in his 1958 book The Ecology of Invasion by Animals and Plants, arguing that there is a place, or niche, for every species on the planet where they’ve evolved to survive. Those that move, he believed, should be removed.

Yep, the same one as usual.

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Common starlings, for example, a species of bird native to Europe and parts of Asia and Africa, have become wildly successful as an introduced species in North America. They’re blamed for hundreds of millions of dollars in agricultural damage annually in the US, often eating grains in cattle feedlots, says Natalie Hofmeister, a PhD candidate in ecology and environmental biology at Cornell University. “That’s like a treasure for the starlings,” she says. The USDA Wildlife Services poisoned 790,000 of the birds in fiscal year 2020.

How about ending the breeding of cows for human consumption instead? Then there would have been no problem in the first place!

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The invasion model has a nativist bias

Some conceptions of invasive species’ harms are questionable.

For example, invasives can be considered a threat not only by killing or outcompeting native species but also by mating with them. To protect the “genetic integrity” of species, conservationists often go to extraordinary lengths to prevent animals from hybridizing

Sounds familiar.....

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Historically, the term has erroneously expanded to the idea of, “‘If you’re not from here, then you are most likely going to be invasive,’” Sonia Shah, author of The Next Great Migration: The Beauty and Terror of Life on the Move, said on a June 2021 episode of Unexplainable, Vox’s science-mysteries podcast. Conservation policies have been crafted around the idea that if something is not from “here” — however we define that — “then it is likely to become invasive, and therefore we should repel it even before it causes any actual damage,” as Shah says, which is part of the nativist bent that pervades ecological management.

This sounds familiar too.....

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What’s more, the very notion of “invasion” draws on a war metaphor, and media narratives about non-native species are remarkably similar to those describing enemy armies or immigrants. For example, a recent news story in the Guardian about armadillos “besieging” North Carolina described them as “pests” and “freakish.” It also gawked at the animal’s “booming reproduction rate,” an allegation that, not coincidentally, is leveled against human migrants.

I knew it! How many times have we heard rightists calling immigrants "invaders"?

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Many scholars have explored how anxieties about humans and nonhumans crossing borders, or going places where they don’t “belong,” map onto one another. “The fear of immigration is never isolated to humans,” writes science studies scholar Banu Subramaniam in The Ethics and Rhetoric of Invasion Ecology. “It includes nonhuman migrants in the form of unwanted germs, insects, plants, and animals.”

It is the same mentality.

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One important set of interests isn’t considered in invasive species management at all: those of the “invasives” themselves. Arian Wallach, an ecologist at the University of Technology Sydney who is well known for her criticism of invasion biology, calls invasive species “nothing less and nothing more than a curse word” used to demonize species and exclude them from moral consideration. She first began to question invasion biology after she moved for her PhD to Australia, which has some of the most militant invasive species management programs in the world, aimed at protecting the country’s own unique species.

“I started seeing conservationists blowing up animals with bombs, shooting them from helicopters, poisoning them, spreading diseases through them,” she says. Australia has shot feral goats, camels, deer, pigs, and other animals from the sky (a method also used in the US), and the country kills many small mammals with 1080, a poison that is widely regarded as causing an extremely painful death. Invasion biology, Wallach believes, is “a bad idea that’s had its run.”

Western civilization as a whole is a bad idea that's had its run. However it does not accept this. Therefore we have to kill it.

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Her work serves as a proof of concept for “compassionate conservation,” a movement that opposes the mass killing of some animals in an attempt to save others. A core tenet of this framework is to value animals as individuals with their own moral value, rather than just a member of a species.

This is what I have been advocating from the beginning.

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In a 2019 study, Wallach and a team of researchers pointed out that non-native species are excluded from world conservation goals. This creates situations where, for example, a species like the hog deer, a small deer native to South Asia, is endangered in its home range but hunted and treated as feral in Australia.

This is the kind of nonsense you end up with when you trust Western civilization to provide the answers.

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In Tierra del Fuego, at the tip of Chile and Argentina, a particularly dramatic novel ecosystem is taking shape. In 1946, beavers were introduced there in a futile attempt to create a fur industry. Instead, the animals proliferated and munched down the region’s Nothofagus — southern beech — forests, creating dams and ponds. “They are these miraculous world builders,” says Ogden, who wrote an essay imagining the beavers not as invaders, but as a diaspora. (Beavers have also been a boon for ducks and other marine species.) The invasive species paradigm, Ogden adds, is devoid of nuance, history, and politics; she prefers a concept that gives expression to the moral complexity of the beavers’ presence in South America, as well as the fact that they had no choice in being moved there.
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the idea of a diaspora opens up a way of thinking about what we owe the beavers, as opposed to how to expel them.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg9907/#msg9907

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After 75 years in South America, don’t the animals have a claim to living there? What right do we have to exterminate them?

We should exterminate Western colonialist bloodlines instead. If anything in the world supremely deserves the descriptor "invasive", it is Western civilization!
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on December 04, 2021, 05:07:11 am
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British ecologist Charles Elton drew attention to non-native species in his 1958 book The Ecology of Invasion by Animals and Plants, arguing that there is a place, or niche, for every species on the planet where they’ve evolved to survive. Those that move, he believed, should be removed.

Which is absurd, since the organism would be living in the same niche (e.g. temperature range, wetness conditions, soil type, etc.), just in a different geographic location from where it first evolved!
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on December 04, 2021, 06:20:02 am
This perfectly describes why Western conservationists don't want animals to go extinct. They might be deprived of the pleasure of seeing them. It's not good enough to have their bones, or recreations in museums, or their preserved dwelling with visible claw marks. Westerners "need" to see living, breathing animals for the sole purpose of satiating their own curiosity.

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I get so mad when I read about the ice age mega fauna. I missed seeing all of these really awesome animals by -this much-, geologically speaking. I mean, humans saw these things, and they weren't me.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/qvmzi0/these_tunnels_were_dug_by_a_giant_ground_sloth/hkxnd7u/

Of course, even extinction won't save these species from exploitation if technology gets advanced enough to clone them and bring them back to life like Jurassic Park. Luckily for the dinosaurs, I believe their DNA would be so degraded that this would not work--but it could be used on the giant sloths.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 04, 2021, 10:52:26 pm
"Westerners "need" to see living, breathing animals for the sole purpose of satiating their own curiosity."

This ties back into my earlier complaint about how YouTube is full of Western pet owners (many of whom describe themselves as "animal lovers") who put their pets (who of course never consented to it) in all kinds of deliberately engineered weird (and often stressful) situations just to see and record how the pets react. And YouTube lets them make money from this, which leads to them making more and more such videos, and more and more pet owners joining the trend.

(They do this with human babies/toddlers also. And again YouTube lets them make money from this.....)

I am tired of False Leftists presenting curiosity as a positive trait. Indeed, False Leftists frequently claim that one reason Trump is bad is because he "lacks curiosity". This is untrue, by the way. Someone who genuinely lacks curiosity would not want to try personally having sex with the same **** stars he watched in **** films. Indeed, I would say that Trump's mentality here is identical to that of conservationists who need to experience the living, breathing animals. Both are Westerners, after all. And does anyone dispute that Western civilization is the most curious civilization?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on December 16, 2021, 07:41:52 pm
A close up video of in vitro fertilization (intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI) method), showing the violent lengths Westerners will go through to spread their genes. The sperm and the egg don't even want to join each other, yet Westerners will forcibly stab the egg cell with a needle and inject the sperm cell into it.

Truly, this is one of the highest expressions of Yahwehism ever seen on this planet. When even the reproductive cells themselves just don't want to reproduce, they are not allowed to peacefully die, but are forced to create a new life.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/reoq0w/a_person_being_conceived_ivf/

All that money and violence just to avoid adopting an already-born child...

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Video of artificial salmon breeding (very gruesome):
https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/rerwxt/artificial_breeding_of_salmon/
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 16, 2021, 08:27:06 pm
Which civilization introduced IVF? Same one as usual:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_in_vitro_fertilisation

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Prior to the development of IVF in humans, Walter Heape, a physician and professor at the University of Cambridge, was doing research on reproduction in animals. In 1891, Heape reported the first successful embryo transfer in a mammal.[1][better source needed]

And our enemies were just praising Cambridge (and other Western universities) here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg9921/#msg9921

Continuing:

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As early as 1934, Gregory Goodwin Pincus and Ernst Vincenz Enzmann tried to perform IVF in rabbits. Although the pregnancy was successful, it was later determined that the fertilisation occurred in vivo (in the body).[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Goodwin_Pincus

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Gregory Goodwin Pincus was born in Woodbine, New Jersey to Jewish parents, who were immigrants from the Russian Empire.[2]
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 18, 2021, 08:45:35 pm
https://nypost.com/2021/12/17/gucci-louis-vuitton-skin-reptiles-alive-to-make-pricey-handbags-peta/

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Louis Vuitton and Gucci are selling bags, belts and wallets made from snakes and lizards that were cruelly killed — some with their heads hacked off as they tried to scurry away — according to an explosive new investigation.

Some of the reptiles were bludgeoned repeatedly with a machete — with workers cutting off their legs even as the lizards floundered helplessly, according to hidden-camera video that captured the practices and was shared with The Post.

Other videos show snakes that were partially slit open, with hoses stuck down their throats to inflate them with water — apparently to make it easier to skin them alive, according to an investigation by animal-rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or PETA.

“Because of their unique physiology, lizards do not die instantaneously after being decapitated and their brains can remain conscious and fully able to feel pain for over 30 minutes,” according to PETA.” The videos captured two instances in which lizards’ heads continued to move after they’d been hacked off from the rest of the body.

Their behaviour matches their decor:

(https://eu.louisvuitton.com/images/is/image/lv/1/PP_VP_L/louis-vuitton-stores-fi-louis-vuitton-helsinki--StFi_Louis_Vuitton_HELSINKI_228_v2_DI3.jpg)

(https://previews.123rf.com/images/piotrkt/piotrkt1712/piotrkt171222566/93827458-milan-italy-september-24-2017-gucci-store-in-milan-fashion-week-gucci-shopping.jpg)

And which civilization introduced handbags in the first place?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg5858/#msg5858
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 03, 2022, 08:20:46 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v1heKKxckU
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on January 11, 2022, 11:01:30 am
And that's just a single company.

(https://i.redd.it/bznidg9a9wa81.png)

Imagine if ancient Romans had continuously sent 18,000 empty trade carts across the country for years during a plague, because that was somehow "more economically sustainable" than just reducing transport???
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on January 11, 2022, 11:26:50 am
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Sperm was removed from Harambe the gorilla after he died - so that he could become a father

Scientists have revealed that they harvested sperm from Harambe the gorilla shortly after he died - meaning he could live on through a son or daughter.

The endangered animal was shot dead on Saturday after a four-year-old boy fell into the Gorilla World enclosure in Cincinnati Zoo, sparking a backlash from animal-lovers around the world.
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“There’s a future," Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Garden director Thane Maynard told Cincinatti.com .

"It’s not the end of his gene pool.
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/sperm-was-removed-from-harambe-the-gorilla-after-he-died-so-that-he-could-become-a-father-a3260541.html

Harambe was murdered so some human (who was negligent enough for their child to fall into a gorilla pit) would not be at risk of having their genetic legacy potentially being harmed. Now, the same people who murdered Harambe want to r*pe gorillas in his "honor".

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One of the most widespread memes was noted by The Washington Post and New York magazine who observed a proliferation of over-the-top and fake tributes to Harambe. "The idea is, the more intense and more sincere-seeming the expression of mourning is, the funnier the joke."[34][37] [...] Aja Romano of Vox wrote that "If you were a progressive, the Harambe meme gave you a chance to mock what you viewed as the hypocritical haranguing of the mainstream while avoiding real issues of social justice;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harambe

Instead of simply being "funny", I think "Justice for Harambe" became a big meme because it represented how fed up people were with the absurdity and hypocrisy of Western Civilization. Unconsciously, I think many of those memes really were sincere. After all, why shouldn't Harambe have justice?

If the media and talking heads are going to go on and on about ethics, and justice, and how much they care about human and non-human victims of all sorts of tragedies, why shouldn't we actually get real ethics and real justice at some point?

Nearly all of the talking points used by the social justice movements protesting against human-on-human initiated violence by police can be applied to what happened to Harambe. Why treat his death as just another statistic and move on? Why were they so quick to jump to lethal measures, rather than trying de-escalation? Why were so many quick to stereotype him as aggressive, violent, etc., when no one could have known what his actual thoughts and motives were in that moment (especially now that he's dead)? Why did they "need" to murder him when other gorillas in similar situations did not harm children and the situation was able to be resolved without their deaths?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binti_Jua
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambo

 ...Why not restructure society so the situation never would have occurred in the first place (i.e. by removing zoos altogether)? If getting justice for human victims is too politicized and complicated, why can't we have justice for a "mere" gorilla? Is any form of empathy and justice too difficult for Western Civilization to produce?

We might as well rally around a gorilla who is even more voiceless and powerless than human victims who have families, friends, and lawyers to speak for them. If we are truly sincere about having empathy and wanting justice for even the most powerless, that is.

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On October 18, 2021, the 7-foot-tall (2.1 m) bronze statue Harambe was illegally placed in Bowling Green Park in New York City, facing the Charging Bull statue, which itself had originally been illegally placed. The act was carried out by organizers promoting Sapien.Network, a social media network who aim to put the needs of humans first. The statue of Harambe facing the bull, whose feet were surrounded by 10,000 bananas, was a statement about wealth disparity.[62]

Especially when all the publicity of this incident has caused Harambe to be continually exploited and his memory more tarnished than typical human murder victims... A "social media network who aim to put the needs of humans first". Like, seriously? That's why Harambe was murdered in the first place. The stronger people mock the incident and exploit it for their own gains, the stronger the unconscious yearning for real justice becomes.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on January 11, 2022, 11:46:30 am
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'The Matrix for cows' - how farmers in Russia and Turkey are using VR to produce more milk
After research found that images of open fields helped improve the wellbeing of bovines, vets and farmers have begun developing VR designed specifically for cows. The result? Happer cows and more milk, apparently.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1479440275680509952

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Izzet Kocak, from Turkey, has turned to the high-tech headgear after seeing a study suggesting it makes the cows happier. This, in turn, means they produce more milk.

Kocak says the move is already paying off. He’s given the headsets to two of his cows and noted that milk production went up from 22 litres to 27 litres a day.

And what are the cows seeing through the VR goggles? Apparently, it’s visions of the outside world.

‘They are watching a green pasture and it gives them an emotional boost. They are less stressed,’ he said.

Izzet has previously used classical music to try and soothe his cattle. But he says he’s been so impressed with the headsets, he plans to buy ten more of them.

The headsets were developed with vets and first tested on a farm in Moscow.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/07/farmer-gives-cooped-up-cows-vr-headsets-to-increase-milk-production-15880604/

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/PRI_217386792.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C404

Westerners: "Cool, more milk!"

Average people: "Wtf, just let the cows walk around outside instead of showing them a virtual image of the outside."

High quality people: "Wtf, stop enslaving cows."
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 11, 2022, 08:23:36 pm
"Westerners: "Cool, more milk!"
Average people: "Wtf, just let the cows walk around outside instead of showing them a virtual image of the outside."
High quality people: "Wtf, stop enslaving cows.""

Me (addressing the high quality people): "What do we do next if they won't stop? Because why would they stop if they know nothing will happen to them even if they don't?"


Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 13, 2022, 02:35:05 am
Because we have failed to killed Western civilization sooner, a new branch of sustainable evil has begun (which, I again emphasize, would never have independently occurred in any non-Western civilization):

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59944889

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Man gets genetically-modified pig heart in world-first transplant
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The pig used in the transplant had been genetically modified to knock out several genes that would have led to the organ being rejected by Mr Bennett's body, the AFP news agency reports.

For the medical team who carried out the transplant, it marks the culmination of years of research and could change lives around the world.

Surgeon Bartley Griffith said the surgery would bring the world "one step closer to solving the organ shortage crisis".

The Western 'solution' is to violently harvest organs from innocent victims (who obviously never consented to it) bred specifically for this function. Any moral universalist can see that all this really does is transfer the organ shortage crisis from humans to non-humans, since the victims will now lack organs having had their own ones stolen from them! In other words it is not a real solution. Just like Western 'solutions' to most problems: merely transfer the problem to those outside of the 'problem-solvers'' sphere of ethical concern!

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"People die all the time on the waiting list, waiting for organs. If we could use genetically engineered pig organs they'd never have to wait, they could basically get an organ as they needed it.

"Plus, we wouldn't have to fly all over the country at night-time to recover organs to put them into recipients," she added.

How convenient for you. What about what you put your victims through in order to gain such convenience?

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/688D/production/_122656762_pig_heart_transplant_640x2-nc.png)

With every progress, Westerners ever more closely resemble vampires. We are now recruiting vampire slayers.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 01, 2022, 02:30:26 am
More Western vampirism:

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/arts-and-culture/a38687510/toad-venom-bufo-illegal-psychedelic-drug/

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In Silicon Valley, tech entrepreneurs and financiers turned psychonauts believe that taking small doses of LSD, in either liquid or tab form, helps with creativity and productivity in the workforce. Even rightwing internet investor Peter Thiel has put a formidable stake in Compass Pathways, a publicly traded psychedelic medicine company.

But now there’s a weirder, wilder new drug appearing on the menu for moneyed types in search of mind expansion: the Toad, otherwise known as 5-MeO-DMT (or, if you really want to know its correct name, 5-methoxy-N, N-dimethyltryptamine), or DMT, or Bufo. In his landmark 2018 memoir, How to Change Your Mind, Michael Pollan referred to it as the Everest of psychedelics.
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“I had taken time off social, hired a spiritual coach, and smoked a Bufo toad (which basically reset my brain and kicked out years of anxiety in 15 mins),” she wrote. Hunter Biden has described it as a “salve” in helping him kick drug addiction.

What exactly are these people smoking? Bufo is the venom of the Sonoran desert toad, Bufo alvarius, which contains the molecule 5-MeO-DMT, one of the most potent psychotropic drugs ever discovered. Until recently it was so obscure the U.S. government did not list it as a controlled substance until 2011. For nine months of the year the Sonoran desert toad lives under the sands of the Mexican desert to survive the scorching heat, but when the winter rains arrive, it emerges for a Caligula-like **** of eating and fornicating. Glands on the sides of its neck and legs emit a venom so toxic it can cause death in a predator within seconds. Bufo hunters catch the toads at night using flashlights—the toads freeze when confronted by a bright light—then milk the venom from the toad’s parotid glands, typically holding a mirror up to catch the spray.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: guest55 on February 01, 2022, 04:57:09 pm
Couldn't just be satisfied with psychedelic mushrooms? It's never enough for them. Always onto the next big thing. These people are not well. I would never trust any person who claims to be spiritual while exploiting non-humans....
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 03, 2022, 08:45:54 pm
Our enemies explicitly defend rodeo:

https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2022/02/a-bad-year-for-white-interests-in-alberta-and-a-worse-one-to-come-2022.html

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COWBOY HAT = WHITE OPPRESSOR CULTURE

Now for those readers not from the Canadian Prairies, one common summer ritual we have out here, especially in the smaller communities, is rodeo. ... The top two most cherished of these, judging from fan noise and turnout, would be the “half mile of hell”, a.k.a. the chariot races, and bullriding. Others include steer wrestling, bronco riding (of which there is a bare-back variety, and saddle variety), calf-tying, and various equestrian disciplines.
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As the reader might have imagined by now, sociological revisionists are not content to leave be even this innocent snippet of Prairie culture.

Innocent?!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg1239/#msg1239

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg6345/#msg6345

By the way, for those unfamiliar, this is steer wrestling:

(https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=CalRodeoSalinas&i=071919SalinasSWUnknown-2-3_by_Phil_Doyle_.jpg)

(https://www.courant.com/resizer/mW6WAckCaFLhtz3XbPw5CMDa0cg=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/DCBEOQXWUBCWDF5APQV4N6VUH4.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/51/24/6c5124af9ed57e98bf4e5299edfa7d53.jpg)

(https://st.depositphotos.com/2692701/3167/i/950/depositphotos_31679345-stock-photo-cowboy-steer-wrestling.jpg)

Or, as our enemies accurately call it, "white interests".
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: SirGalahad on February 03, 2022, 11:59:29 pm
The most disturbing part is that they genuinely sound like they aren't lying. Somehow, this registers in their brain as something innocent, as if they see absolutely no difference at all between a living cow/bull, and a mechanical bull:

(https://image.made-in-china.com/202f0j00gMsfZTqWAOkV/Outdoor-Inflatable-Mechanical-Bull-Mat-Inflatable-Mechanical-Rodeo-Bull-Sports-Games-Amusement-Bull-Riding-Machine.jpg)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 06, 2022, 08:12:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOlyGT-1fd0
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on February 14, 2022, 06:48:49 am
(https://i.redd.it/bd1xznbcchh81.png)

(https://i.redd.it/pj8026ecchh81.png)

In case it wasn't obvious why they did it in the first place and continue to do it--it's more economically sustainable. It's more "environmentally sustainable" too, since they don't need to grow food for 300 million additional chickens, etc.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 19, 2022, 12:24:07 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/locals-fret-colombia-declare-hippos-000011946.html

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Within weeks, Colombia's government plans to sign a document declaring the hippos an exotic invasive species, according to Environment Minister Carlos Eduardo Correa. This means coming up with a plan for how to control their population, which has reached 130 and is projected hit 400 in eight years if nothing is done as they flourish in Colombia's rivers.
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Most people interviewed in Puerto Triunfo, some 200 kilometers (120 miles) of the capital, Bogota, say they can get along with the hippos and many oppose even sterilization — let alone killing some.

“They make laws from a distance. We live with the hippopotamuses here and we have never thought of killing them," said Isabel Romero Jerez, a local conservationist. "The hippopotamuses aren't African now; they are Colombians.”
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Locals say the hippos sometimes come out of the water and walk through the streets of the town. When that happens, traffic stops and people keep out of their way.

“The human animal is the one that invades their territory, that is why they feel threatened and attack," said Romero Jerez.

Exactly! All this is obvious to a non-Westerner. But how do Westerners see it?

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Daniel Cadena, a biologist and dean of sciences at the Universidad de Los Andes, said they are aggressive animals and not as gentle as people imagine.

But can it seriously be argued that hippos are more aggressive than humans, especially Westerners, and above all Western scientists? Therefore Western scientists are the first ones whom we should be killing!
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 10, 2022, 08:08:42 pm
Alligator receives the Emmett Till treatment:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/huge-alligator-seen-terrorizing-paddleboarder-202912913.html

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A terrifying encounter between a Florida paddleboarder and an 11-foot, 10-inch alligator has ended in the reptile being killed as a potential threat to humans, according to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission.

The alligator was trapped Feb. 22 and removed at the request of Silver Springs State Park, where the incident occurred in September, state officials told McClatchy News.

It was dispatched with a shot to the head, Fresh Take Florida reported, and state wildlife officials say its body was processed for its hide and meat.

The deadly measure was authorized after photos and video surfaced on social media of the alligator swimming up close to paddleboarder Vicki Reamy Baker, including bumping its snout against the craft.
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“Why are you messing with me? Why are you trying to bite me?” Baker is heard saying in one video.

“I’ve never had an alligator after me like that before. Look how close he is to me. He came after me and tried to bite my paddleboard. Somebody has been feeding that gator. Makes them very dangerous.”

In one video, an observer is heard telling Baker she should back away from the alligator “considering you just made him pretty mad,” after she pushed the gator away with her paddle.
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“He came up fast and out of nowhere. Scared the daylights out of me,” Baker wrote on Facebook.

You are the intruder FFS!

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/nRnKL6sWrzS3lPb39BgxmA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5NjtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/0jhEe.I8K2KnaFFbcTVRGA--~B/aD02NDE7dz0xMTQwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/miami_herald_mcclatchy_975/fa395d58437bd03beb16034fb512a1c3)

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“Nuisance alligators” are defined as those that are “at least 4 feet in length and believed to pose a threat to people, pets or property,” the state says.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission provides nuisance alligator removal services at no cost, using contracted trappers. The trappers get to keep the alligator carcass for its meat and hide as part of their compensation, the state says.

Nuisance Westerners are defined as those that are at least post-Renaissance in machinery and believed to pose a threat to everything non-Western they come into contact with, 90sRF says.

True Leftism provides nuisance Westerner removal services at no cost, using Demographic Blueshifters. The Demographic Blueshifters get to keep former Western territory as part of their compensation, 90sRF says.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on March 10, 2022, 08:44:04 pm
Video:
https://youtu.be/2kwqEYJjwDE
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on March 15, 2022, 01:34:57 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQNskleW4AA5XiZ?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on March 27, 2022, 12:52:12 pm
Despite the obvious impracticality, it seems like it's serious and not just an art project to expose the cruelty of ranching?

(https://i.imgur.com/NZgUUnK.jpg)

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Philosopher Paul Thompson from Purdue University has suggested "The Blind Chicken Solution." He argues that chickens blinded by "accident" have been developed into a strain of laboratory chickens that don't mind being crowded together as much as normal chickens do. As a result, he argues, we should consider using blind chickens in food production as a solution to the problem of overcrowding in the poultry industry. He argues that it would be more humane to have blind chickens than ones that can see.

But Ford goes a step further and proposes a "Headless Chicken Solution." This would involve removing the cerebral cortex of the chicken to inhibit its sensory perceptions so that it could be produced in more densely packed conditions without the associated distress. The brain stem for the chicken would be kept intact so that the homeostatic functions continue to operate, allowing it to grow.

Ford proposes this solution for two reasons: To meet the rising demand for meat, particularly poultry, and to improve the welfare of the chickens by desensitizing them to the unpleasant reality of their existence.
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He added: "There are numerous differences between the current dominant production systems and the one I am proposing, but the fundamental difference is the removal of suffering. Whether what I am proposing is an appropriate means to achieve the removal of suffering is open to interpretation. In reality this should be decided at the level of the individual consumer, at the counter, handing over their money and 'voting' for their system of preference."

Ford believes that the Headless Chicken Solution has the same intentions as the lab-grown meats we have seen developed recently. "The intentions are the same -- the synthesis of animal protein without the suffering," he says.
https://www.wired.com/2012/02/headless-chicken-solution/

There is also the bonus Western evil of suggesting to "vote with your wallet" to end unspeakable evil that should never have been allowed to exist at all.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on March 31, 2022, 02:00:46 am
Untermensch morality 8: wildlife protection edition:
Russian morality 8: wildlife protection edition

https://einsamerkrieger.wordpress.com/2015/12/24/russian-wildlife-protection/
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Showoff mock-crane flight of KGB thug putin has caused a lot of praise amongst brainless libtard junkies. I wonder how their farter will explode when the real russian wildlife treatment comes to light.

https://youtu.be/JF9IzuSYOkI
Here, ruskie polar station staff planted an improvised explosive devise to bear’s food and filmed the result with traditional joyful “russian mat” imbecile comments. Not something new for a nation of sadistic subhumans with long-term traditions of animal abuse (example #1, example #2) and perverted terrorism.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 31, 2022, 03:45:14 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/university-texas-scientists-crazy-ants-112056824.html

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Tawny crazy ants, first discovered near Houston, have infested parts of the Gulf Coast region in recent years and are known to swarm breaker boxes, AC units, sewage pumps and other electronic devices.

"White" crazy Westerners, first discovered near Andalus, have infested parts of the planet in recent centuries and are known to swarm oceans, forests, space and other civilizations.

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Edward LeBrun, a research scientist with the Texas Invasive Species Research Program at Brackenridge Field Laboratory, and his team observed populations of infected crazy ants.

90sRF, a volunteer with the Western Civilization Must Die Program at the True Left Forum, and his team observed populations of Counterculture-influenced crazy Westerners.

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    The disease spread to the entire crazy ant population in Estero, and within two years, their numbers plunged.

    Now, they're nonexistent, and native species are returning to the area.

If crazy Westerners had become nonexistent instead, the ants could have been saved. Unfortunately the Counterculture era was cut short before antinatalism had time to take hold.

(Seriously, Westerners initiated violence by putting all those electronic devices in the way. The ants are merely reacting to devices which should never have been put there in the first place. And Westerners respond by practicing Manifest Destiny on the ants.....)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on April 06, 2022, 09:16:20 pm
(https://i.redd.it/25zwwte2bpq81.jpg)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 11, 2022, 10:32:54 pm
More Western empiricism in action:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/organoids-help-researchers-understand-autism-182408501.html

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“One of the real challenges in autism is that we don’t have much of a biological understanding,” James McPartland, a clinical psychologist and autism researcher at Yale University, told The Daily Beast. “In most cases, we don’t even understand mechanisms in terms of phenotype. It’s like if I say a person with autism is less likely to make eye contact or more likely to have a strong response to sound, we don’t even understand exactly what’s the biological mechanism.”

But scientists are digging closer to unearthing that information by growing miniaturized human brains, called organoids, in the lab. In a new study reported in the journal Cell Reports on April 5, researchers in Austria took clumps of brain cells containing a mutated CHD8 gene—considered a strong genetic risk factor for autism, among countless others—and were able to glimpse how the gene affects early brain development.

“This is a very exciting direction of research,” Andrey Vyshedskiy, a neuroscientist at Boston University who was not involved in the study, told The Daily Beast. “Organoids are a new technology in the last decade and are allowing us to conduct experiments that can track neuronal development over time.”
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Another method depends on animal models such as fashioning mice with genetic mutations associated with autism, Gaia Novarino, a neuroscientist at The Institute of Science and Technology in Austria who led the study, told The Daily Beast. But a problem with studying mice modified with a mutated CHD8 is that they barely show macrocephaly, or an overly large head due to a greater brain volume and a symptom seen in some people with autism.

Going down the brain-in-a-petri-dish route, Novarino and her team took commercially available human stem cells and genetically altered one group to have the CHD8 mutation, leaving the other untouched. These two groups of stem cells were then coaxed to grow into functionally basic tissues containing neurons usually found in the brain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_organoid

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Ethical concerns have been raised with using cerebral organoids as a model for disease due to the potential of them experiencing sensations such as pain or having the ability to develop a consciousness.[40]

But they are being used anyway. I guess it was decided that it is more important for Western scientists' brains (which probably also have higher IQ test scores than the cerebral organoids) to experience sensations such as discovery or having the ability to develop Western science.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 14, 2022, 11:13:33 pm
https://theintercept.com/2022/04/14/killing-chickens-bird-flu-vsd/

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A hen, hooked up to electrodes, stands alone in a glass cage. She starts panting, thrashing, slumping over, and lunging at the enclosure’s walls, appearing to look for an escape. Outside the cage, researchers point, take notes, and watch her die.

These researchers are called Western scientists. Western scientists are among the most highly respected members of Western civilization and considered most essential to long-term Western progress. In fact, many Westerners today are worried that the present-day education system is producing an insufficient number of new Western scientists.

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These scenes, which took place at North Carolina State University, were documented in 10 hours of video footage recently obtained via public records requests by the organization Animal Outlook and shared with The Intercept. The experiments were funded by the U.S. Poultry and Egg Association, a major industry trade group, and took place in the wake of the 2015 outbreak of an aggressive bird flu that resulted in the culling of about 50 million farmed birds — not all of them necessarily infected — across the United States. The researchers were testing what was then a relatively new set of disease control methods: known as “ventilation shutdown,” the process kills the animals through heatstroke and suffocation, similar to dying in a hot car. According to Will Lowrey, the Animal Outlook attorney who obtained the videos, “the suffering is extremely profound.”

In 2020, Iowa Select Farms, the state’s largest pork producer, killed healthy pigs, who could not be slaughtered for food due to Covid-induced slaughterhouse closures, by sealing off the airways and pumping in heat: a practice called “ventilation shutdown plus.” In a groundbreaking undercover investigation covered by The Intercept, the animal rights group Direct Action Everywhere revealed pigs screaming in distress for hours as they, essentially, roasted to death. Soon after, Iowa Select announced that it was discontinuing its use of the method, commonly abbreviated as VSD+. New documents obtained through federal and state public records requests reveal that, far from being an aberration, the meat industry’s use of this gruesome method is still on the rise — and it’s being abetted by government and organized veterinary medicine.

Now, another strain of highly pathogenic avian influenza, or HPAI, is tearing through the country. More than 27 million chickens, turkeys, and other birds have been killed or scheduled to be killed — or “depopulated,” in meat industry jargon — since February. Many of these animals were killed with ventilation shutdown plus. In Iowa, the nation’s top egg-producing state, 5.3 million hens at a Rembrandt Enterprises egg factory farm were exterminated with VSD+ last month, the Storm Lake Times reported.
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Ventilation shutdown plus was also used in February at two chicken and turkey facilities in Kentucky, according to records from the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, or APHIS, which oversees management of farm animal disease outbreaks. In Minnesota, more than 1.7 million birds, mostly turkeys, have been or will soon be depopulated since the state’s first avian flu case on March 25, with an increasing number killed using VSD+ compared to the 2015 bird flu, according to state veterinarian Beth Thompson. In public records first released to Lowrey, requests to use the method have also appeared in Wisconsin and Missouri. The USDA financially compensates meat producers for these killings.

The videos obtained from NC State are remarkable because the meat industry often claims that undercover footage of cruel conditions taken by activists is doctored or staged. But these videos came directly from an industry-funded study, the raw footage of which was shared with The Intercept.

The research tested multiple versions of VSD: ventilation shutdown alone, which entails sealing off airflow to the birds’ cages, causing their body temperatures to rise to lethal levels; ventilation shutdown with additional heat, which speeds the process of killing them via heatstroke; and ventilation shutdown with carbon dioxide, which deprives the chickens’ bodies of oxygen. VSD with the addition of either or both of these is referred to as “VSD+.”

The hens took more than 91 minutes to die from ventilation shutdown alone, 54 minutes to die from VSD with supplemental heat, and 11.5 minutes to die from VSD with carbon dioxide, according to a 2017 final report based on the research that was submitted to the U.S. Poultry and Egg Association. According to a separate study published the following year by some of the same researchers, time to death is significantly longer for hens in a large, multilevel cage setting, which more closely resembles factory farm conditions than individual cages: 3.75 hours for VSD alone, 2 hours for VSD plus heat, and 1.5 hours for VSD plus carbon dioxide.

The Western defence:

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In some news reports on the current avian flu, sources have said that exterminating birds is more humane than letting them die of the disease. And HPAI is undoubtedly a terrible illness. “Many birds die suddenly, with mortality rates as high as 100% within a few days, though it can also take weeks. The dying birds likely suffer enormously as they struggle to breathe, develop diarrhea, and become paralyzed or otherwise neurologically compromised,” Gwendolen Reyes-Illg, a veterinary adviser to the Animal Welfare Institute, told The Intercept in an email.

How about not breeding the birds in the first place? But anyway:

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In the global scientific community, she said, “it’s generally accepted that, if one could assume that a procedure would cause pain or distress to a human, you can also assume it would do the same for an animal.”

So Western scientists officially know they are causing terrible pain to animals. They just don't care. Especially not when there is Western science to be done:

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Birds used in agricultural research get no protection under federal welfare laws. “The Animal Welfare Act, in the very definition of animals, excludes a number of types of animals used in laboratory experiments. These animals include rats, mice, and birds bred for research, as well as agricultural animals used for agricultural research,” said Jeremy Beckham, research advocacy coordinator for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. The agricultural exemption, he added, is “specifically [because] there are things done commonly to animals in an agricultural context that would be violations of the law if they were done to other research animals.”

(On the other hand, they seem to genuinely not know the correct meaning of "agriculture".)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 16, 2022, 09:07:20 pm
Westerners just cannot stop themselves:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/04/11/clone-pets-cat-science/

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When the beloved 5-year-old cat died in 2017, there was nothing her owner, Kelly Anderson, could do — or so she thought.

Chai’s body had not yet turned cold when Anderson remembered a conversation with her roommate about the Texas-based ViaGen Pets, one of just a few companies worldwide that clones pets. The next morning, she called them.

Some $25,000 and five years later, Anderson — a 32-year-old dog trainer from Austin — has a 6-month-old carbon copy of Chai curled up in her lap.
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More than 25 years after the controversial Dolly the sheep case, Anderson is part of a growing group of people paying a small fortune to clone their pets. But while scientific advancement has allowed the practice to become more commercial, the procedure itself raises ethical dilemmas, experts say.
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The problem is that cloning does not have a 100 percent success rate. Not all pregnancies will be fruitful, and not all embryos will be viable, which means several surrogate and egg donor animals may be used in the process.
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“People think, ‘Oh, I’ll just press a button and out will come Fido,’ but that’s just not the case,” said Robert Klitzman, director of the masters of bioethics program at Columbia University. “So you may love Fido, but do you really want several animals to die and suffer in order to have the one healthy Fido?”

Westerner on the appeal of sustainability:

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“I’ve always told people that I cloned not because I wanted to bring my cat back to life, but because I wanted to carry on a piece of her, and I think it’s definitely really comforting to have that in Belle,” Anderson said. “Even though they’re different cats, there’s still a piece of Chai in her. So it’s comforting in a way that I don’t really know how to explain.”

I know how to explain it: you are a Westerner.

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That same love has prompted others, including singer Barbra Streisand, to clone their pets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbra_Streisand

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Streisand's family was Jewish.[20][21][22] Her paternal grandparents emigrated from Galicia (Poland–Ukraine) and her maternal grandparents from the Russian Empire, where her grandfather had been a cantor.[23][24]
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Streisand began her education at the Jewish Orthodox Yeshiva of Brooklyn when she was five.[33]
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In June 2013, she helped celebrate the 90th birthday of Shimon Peres held at Jerusalem's international convention center.[149] She also performed at two other concerts in Tel Aviv that same week, part of her first concert tour of Israel.[150]
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In 1984, Streisand donated the Emanuel Streisand Building for Jewish Studies to the Hebrew University of Jerusalem
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In December 2011, she appeared at a fundraising gala for Israel Defense Forces charities.[165]

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Blue Kumul on April 19, 2022, 04:54:28 am
Of course, without "western civilization" (correctly called modernism) there would be no hippopotamus in Colombia and probably Colombians would be unaware that such an animal exists, or at best treat it as a mythical creature. Invasive species is not a modernist concept, on the contrary modernists are the greatest invaders of all.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on April 22, 2022, 10:04:18 pm
https://youtu.be/LLJhUVkgcvQ
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 09, 2022, 12:04:35 am
Westerners trying to prevent species extinction again:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/only-10-vaquita-porpoises-remain-024904914.html

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The number of vaquita, a tiny, silver porpoise that lives exclusively in Mexico's Gulf of California, is down to 10 remaining in the wild.

But the world's smallest and most endangered marine mammal may be able to keep its numbers up, even with inbreeding, researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles, determined in a study published in Science.
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"[The vaquita porpoise] represents a unique evolutionary lineage — there is no similar species anywhere in the world — and its loss would rob the ecosystem of an important predator adapted to this unique ecosystem," said senior co-author Robert Wayne.

What would the prey prefer? But Westerners think preserving species is more important than sparing innocent victims.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on May 14, 2022, 01:31:51 pm
From 2003:
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Liquidising goldfish 'not a crime'

An art display which invited the public to put live goldfish through a food blender did not constitute cruelty to animals, a Danish court has ruled.

The goldfish were placed on display swimming in the blenders, and visitors were told they could press the "on" button if they wanted.

At least one visitor did, killing two goldfish.

Peter Meyer, director of the Trapholt Art Museum in Kolding, 200 kilometres (125 miles) west of Copenhagen, was fined for cruelty to animals after complaints from campaign group Friends of Animals.

But a court in Denmark has now ruled that the fish were not treated cruelly, as they had not faced prolonged suffering.

The fish were killed "instantly" and "humanely", said Judge Preben Bagger.

Mr Meyer will not now have to pay the fine of 2,000 kroner (269 euros) originally imposed by Danish police.

The case only went to court because he refused to pay the police fine. He told the court that artistic freedom was at stake.

"It's a question of principle. An artist has the right to create works which defy our concept of what is right and what is wrong," he told the court in Kolding.
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The exhibit was created by Chilean-born Danish artist Marco Evaristti, who was apparently trying to test visitors' sense of right and wrong.

Mr Evaristti said at the time he wanted to force people to "do battle with their conscience".

The idea, he said, was to "place people before a dilemma: to choose between life and death."

"It was a protest against what is going on in the world, against this cynicism, this brutality that impregnates the world in which we live," he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3040891.stm

Combatting the world's brutality by encouraging and perpetuating to it, good job.


I actually wasn't expecting this:
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Though raised a Catholic, in his teenage years Evaristti found out he was born to a Jewish mother, which some account for the philosophical and religious themes in his work.[2]
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On January 27, 2010, Evaristti exhibited his artwork "Rolexgate" which is a model of the entrance gate to the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp. 80% of the model is made up of gold which comes from the teeth of Jews who died in the concentration camps. The model had been briefly exhibited in Berlin, but was removed because of the audience reaction.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Evaristti
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on May 14, 2022, 02:03:06 pm
Even extinction is not enough to save a species from the Demiurge.

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Firm raises $15m to bring back woolly mammoth from extinction

Scientists set initial sights on creating elephant-mammoth hybrid, with first calves expected in six years
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The boost comes in the form of $15m (£11m) raised by the bioscience and genetics company Colossal, co-founded by Ben Lamm, a tech and software entrepreneur, and George Church, a professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School who has pioneered new approaches to gene editing.

The scientists have set their initial sights on creating an elephant-mammoth hybrid by making embryos in the laboratory that carry mammoth DNA. The starting point for the project involves taking skin cells from Asian elephants, which are threatened with extinction, and reprogramming them into more versatile stem cells that carry mammoth DNA.
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The project is framed as an effort to help conserve Asian elephants by equipping them with traits that allow them to thrive in vast stretches of the Arctic known as the mammoth steppe. But the scientists also believe introducing herds of elephant-mammoth hybrids to the Arctic tundra may help restore the degraded habitat and combat some of the impacts of the climate crisis. For example, by knocking down trees, the beasts might help to restore the former Arctic grasslands.

Not all scientists suspect that creating mammoth-like animals in the lab is the most effective way to restore the tundra. “My personal thinking is that the justifications given – the idea that you could geoengineer the Arctic environment using a herd of mammoths – isn’t plausible,” said Dr Victoria Herridge, an evolutionary biologist at the Natural History Museum.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/sep/13/firm-bring-back-woolly-mammoth-from-extinction

For a double dose of Western insanity, they think cloning massive mammoth herds is a practical way to 'combat climate change'...?

And for a triple dose, they want to patent its DNA.
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Advances and success in cloning and genetic engineering may mean passenger pigeons, dodos, gastric-brooding frogs, thylacines, woolly mammoths, and other extinct species will once again grace this planet. As de-extinction becomes a reality, it is uncertain whether these animals are patent eligible. Diamond v. Chakrabarty opened the door to cloning multicellular organisms. Since then, the U.S. Patent Office’s Board of Patent Appeals and Interferences has found “non-naturally occurring, man-made organisms including animals” to be patentable subject matter under 35 U.S.C. § 101.
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The Supreme Court holds that sections of naturally occurring DNA are not patent eligible, while non-naturally occurring synthetic strands are. But the Court has not considered organisms created from both naturally occurring and synthetic DNA, as would be the case in de-extinction.
https://digitalcommons.law.uw.edu/wjlta/vol11/iss3/3/
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 14, 2022, 08:02:16 pm
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An art display which invited the public to put live goldfish through a food blender did not constitute cruelty to animals, a Danish court has ruled.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/denmark/

"Even extinction is not enough to save a species from the Demiurge."

Extinction of the Demiurge's worshippers is what we need.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on May 15, 2022, 02:50:51 pm
From 2003:
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Liquidising goldfish 'not a crime'
From your link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3040891.stm
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The exhibit was created by Chilean-born Danish artist Marco Evaristti, who was apparently trying to test visitors' sense of right and wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Evaristti#Early_life
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Though raised a Catholic, in his teenage years Evaristti found out he was born to a Jewish mother, which some account for the philosophical and religious themes in his work.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 16, 2022, 09:12:34 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ai-killing-machines-hoover-exterminate-142214574.html

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Sting operation: Undersea killing machines to make mincemeat of giant jellyfish

An underwater robot hunter has been built to seek out and destroy soaring numbers of jellyfish.

Jellyfish are proliferating at a rapid rate in some parts of the world, such as Japan, with sightings in British waters also becoming more common.

Such vast numbers of the animals pose a risk to the fishing industry because they get caught in nets, spoil catches and endanger crew and vessels.
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When jellyfish are identified, a large-mouthed hose will suck the creature into the vehicle - where jets of highly pressurised water and a turbine will shred the animal to pieces.


We need something that can shred Westerners to pieces.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 19, 2022, 08:39:09 pm
It's OK for bear-baiters to be "white":

https://us.yahoo.com/news/man-pleads-guilty-torturing-black-154542838.html

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Two months ago, a judge approved a plea deal for a man accused of abusing and mistreating black bears in forests statewide. On Thursday morning, the same judge was on the bench as one more person decided to accept a plea deal in that case.

Of the nine people charged, William Tyler Wood became the sixth to resolve his case. He pleaded guilty to five counts of felony cruelty to animals and one count each of conspiracy to commit RICO Act violation, using animal to fight or bait another animal, felony littering, unlawful use of two-way communications device to facilitate, and unlawful taking of black bear.
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The judge said he doesn't typically grant delays for jail time, but made an exception in this case for Wood, who wants to spend some time with his son.
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These co-defendants have resolved their cases with plea deals: William "Willie Bob" Edward Landrum, 43, from Virginia; Hannah Weiner Scarbrough, 30; her husband, Charles, 33, both of Callahan, Florida; Haley Reddish, 28, of Lake Butler; and Christopher Elliot Haun, 45, of Ormond Beach.
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This case stretches back four years. State officials said the defendants used trained dogs to viciously attack black bears in several wildlife areas, including the Ocala National Forest.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission said the people used tasty treats to attract the animals, which were then chased by the dogs. State investigators said the dogs were monitored with GPS.

The scared bears would climb trees and stayed there, hoping the dogs would leave. Rather than leaving, officials said, the dogs would remain at their posts. The bears would jump from tree to tree, with some of them falling to the ground.

The dogs would then run after the bears and savagely hunt them. Authorities said at least one bear was shot and later skinned.

Images of the bears' ordeals were recorded and placed on social media, officials said.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 28, 2022, 09:47:21 pm
Westerners keeping birds sustainable for Westerners:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/small-knife-rural-economy-bird-135504426.html

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A third of shoots could be cancelled this year, as a shortage of birds threatens to cut off a “major lifeline” for rural communities.
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An analysis by Guns on Pegs has estimated that gamekeepers will put down up to 40 per cent fewer birds compared with a normal season. About 30 to 40 per cent of shoots are expected to be cancelled completely.

It is warned that the cancellations will have a “catastrophic” impact on shoots, as well as pubs, hotels and country sport shops. Shooting is estimated to bring £2.5 billion to the rural economy and support tens of thousands of jobs.
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“We will definitely have a shooting season,” he told The Telegraph. “But we will have to reduce the number of days pretty savagely, I don’t know exactly how many.

“It is not by any means what we would have wished for. People are just getting back on their feet after Covid. It is another small knife in the rural economy.”

Mr Breitmeyer said that whilst his small family shoot would be able to weather the storm, larger commercial operations and businesses that “live and breath shooting” will experience a “very, very significant downturn”.
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Partridge and pheasant shoots, which begin in September and October, make preparations - such as planting cover for the benefit of game birds and other wildlife - now. They face losing that money if they later have to cancel.

Mr Breitmeyer said: “If we could get the eggs into the country now, then people could start the season later. They might be able to get two-thirds of a season.
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The supply of partridges has been the worst hit, according to an analysis by Digby Taylor from Guns On Pegs, the UK’s biggest shooting marketplace which has more than 100,000 members.

He added that the issues have resulted in bidding wars on young birds, the price of which is already inflated due to rising costs of gas and wheat.
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It is warned that the losses could also have a knock-on impact on future conservation efforts, to which gamekeepers are said to be central.

Garry Doolan, of Aim to Sustain, a coalition of shooting organisations, said: “Shooting sustains huge areas of the countryside and is at the forefront of tackling the biodiversity crisis through the creation of habitat and management of species.

"The shooting community will continue to carry out that role whether or not they have partridges and pheasants this season, but the loss of income is bound to have an impact on future investment in conservation”.

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The ' shooting community " needs to examine their ethics and get another hobby imo . What is ethical or even sporting about bring in a bunch of birds releasing them and then murdering them ? The presence of mankind has been nothing but a horror show for the other creatures on this planet .

But at least the photo accompanying the article introduces us to a new non-Aryan face shape, the hexagon?

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/9iv9dFfgrtAD5g46VCzM4w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQ0MTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/k82dHhkDjykV_UwG.gLHlA--~B/aD0xNTI4O3c9MjQ0NTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_telegraph_258/7d8cc2557e8aa78b97a618f0284a06bc)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on May 30, 2022, 12:23:14 am
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But at least the photo accompanying the article introduces us to a new non-Aryan face shape, the hexagon?

Hmm, maybe? A hyper-robust shape from which the square (retained jawline, reduced cheekbones) and pentagon (retained cheekbones, reduced jawline) are derived?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on May 30, 2022, 12:24:07 am
In other news, some Western psychopath made a jazzy montage of an industrial crab murdering facility.

Starts off strong at 0:10 with "crab killing unit".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooN_WzxETIQ
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on May 30, 2022, 12:25:56 am
Apparently pet cloning is an entire consumer industry.

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I started the cloning process of my late cat in 2017 with ViaGen Pets. Yes, actually cloned, as in they created a genetic copy of my cat. I got my kitten in October 2021. She’s now 9-months-old and the polar opposite of the original cat in many ways.
https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/uupphp/i_cloned_my_late_cat_ama/

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Woman spends $25K to clone her cat

Kelly Anderson's cat Belle was cloned from her late cat Chai in a procedure that comes with its share of controversy.
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/living/video/woman-spends-25k-clone-cat-83451745


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How do you feel about the cats that are used as an incubation machine for yours? Do you have any info on the logistics behind that part of it?

I wanted to clone my dog, but I had an ethical problem with the thought of a mama dog being kept in a cage just to be the incubator for lots of cloned embryos.
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Don’t do it. The “surrogate” undergoes major painful surgery, where they take out her ovary, inject it and then put it back. Most of the animals that are born die. By far.

Imagine your little pal being cloned four times, and three of them die? Or worse, they have to repeat it constantly until they finally are able to offer you one that made it? Meanwhile, the “surrogates” undergo completely unnecessary surgery.
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Based on her replies, OP is in complete denial of these facts. She believes no animal was made to suffer from her decision to have her cat cloned and shrugs off any evidence presented from published scholarly journals to online articles that point out the ethical problems of animal cloning. Her attempt to normalize this practice and minimize or flat out deny the issues you pointed out is abhorrent.
https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/uupphp/i_cloned_my_late_cat_ama/i9hvqxy/

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In addition: spending all of that money on cloning rather than adopting any one of the overabundance of adoptable shelter pets.

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Why four years ago in the r/cats sub did you state that you would match the $25,000 spent on this animal cruelty science experiment and donate it to a shelter and now when people ask why you didn't just donate you are defensive and no mention of said donation? Did you not keep your word and donate the $25k? And how 4 years ago did you have $50k to blow when you have stated you had to get a loan from family to pay for the cloning? And do you think your dead "soulmate" cat would approve of another innocent cat being forcibly inseminated in order for you to clone them?

Western Civilization keeps getting more and more disgusting.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on June 06, 2022, 06:29:16 pm
https://old.reddit.com/r/BreadStapledToTrees/

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Pictures of bread that have been stapled to trees.

Please remove any staples from the trees after you submit your photo. Staples can cause harm to the trees, and nobody wants that.

...Or just don't staple the trees and waste bread in the first place?
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on June 07, 2022, 07:20:25 pm
Chinese (sub)humanists harness Western machinery to satisfy their Gentilic urges and continue the same practice of sustainability as their "White" counterparts:
Chinese scientists produce world’s first pigs cloned entirely by robot:
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Researchers in China say they have developed a process to clone pigs entirely through the use of robots – a development that may help the world’s largest pork consumer reduce its reliance on imported breeding pigs.

I'm willing to bet that the faces of the machinists look exactly the way we would expect them to.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 09, 2022, 12:53:23 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-shows-deadly-abuse-octopus-224503619.html

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The case stems from the video, obtained by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, that was released in April as part of a campaign to discourage people from eating stone crab claws. The video focuses mostly on the crew of the boat harvesting the claws, which PETA says is cruel toward the crustaceans, although commercial fishing advocates say the practice is sustainable because the crabs are not killed and their claws regenerate.

But the video also shows commercial anglers aboard the vessel Booga Man killing the octopus and beating a nurse shark against the gunwale of the boat. Both animals were caught as bycatch in a stone crab trap.
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The woman told the crew she was interested in commercial fishing and wanted to learn more about the industry, Mattson said.

Once on board, she filmed a man who Mattson said is Mora reaching inside a stone crab trap to remove an octopus.

He grabbed the octopus while using “a violent ripping motion and removed the head and guts,” Mattson wrote in his report.

Mora then threw the octopus into a “dark colored bin,” according to the report. The octopus was still alive and moving in the bin “with its guts and head removed,” Mattson said. The octopus eventually died.

“Mr. Mora went about his way and continue to work. He does not pay any attention to the octopus squirming and struggling while suffering in the bin,” the report states.
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“The crew welcomed the individual aboard, where she openly recorded workers mutilating crabs and octopuses and beating a shark against the side of the boat,” Colley said.

Unrelated:

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the woman is a PETA investigator who took hidden camera video to expose the use of electroshock devices on horses at a Kentucky stable.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 11, 2022, 08:55:26 pm
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253325/Nine-arrested-animal-cruelty-Wyoming-pig-farm-workers-caught-video-brutally-punching-sows-flipping-piglets-air.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/26/article-2253325-16A7F55F000005DC-352_634x422.jpg)

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Troubles for the Wyoming pig farm started in May when the HSUS released shocking footage online showing workers viciously kicking animals, hitting them with sticks and tossing small piglets.

Shot by undercover activists over 27 days, the video shows a bearded worker taking his anger out on a sick-looking mother pig, shouting: 'You want to f*** with me today? I'm in no f***ing mood!' before punching it.

Violently breed pigs in cruel, inescapable and sustainable factory conditions, and then sincerely accuse the pigs of being the ones "****ing with" you. A.k.a. it's OK for factory herders to be "white".

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Later in the video, a severely obese worker hits and kicks a pig with a broken leg before bouncing her weight on its injury, yelling at it to get up. The pig lets out a blood-curdling squeal.
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The undercover investigator also found pregnant pigs with untreated abscesses and severe rectal and uterine prolapses, mummified piglet corpses, and baby piglets who had fallen through floor slats to either hang to death or drown in manure pits.

Pigs used for breeding were confined in two-foot-wide metal cages so small they can't even turn around.

This is how the pigs "**** with" factory herders, apparently.

(Compare with police attitudes towards "non-whites":

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/police-rightist-bias/ )

Further information about how pigs "**** with" factory herders (sustainability emphasis in bold):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_farming#Impacts_on_sow_breeding

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Hogs raised in confinement systems tend to produce 23.5 piglets per year. From 2013 to 2016, sow death rates have nearly doubled from 5.8%-10.2%, 25-50% of these deaths have been caused by prolapse.[15]

Other probable causes of death include vitamin deficiency, mycotoxins in feed, high density diets or abdominal issues.[16]
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Raising rates in death are a profit concern to the industry, so money is being invested into research to find potential solutions of preventing prolapse.[17]
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Pigs were originally bred to rapidly gain weight and backfat in the late 1980s. In a more fat-conscious modern day America, pigs are now being bred to have less back fat and produce more offspring, which pushes the sow's body too far and is deemed one of the causes of the current prolapse epidemic. Researchers and veterinarians are seeking ways to positively impact the health of the hogs and benefit the hog business without taking much from the economy.[18]

In fact, pigs have been "****ing with" herders even before the factory era:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_slaughter#European_tradition

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Pig slaughter is a tradition known in numerous European countries and regions: Armenia (Խոզ մորթելը, Khoz mort’ely), Only Traditional among Albanian Christians), Bulgaria (колене на прасе, kolene na prase), North Macedonia (колење на прасе, kolenje na prase), Croatia (kolinje), the Czech Republic (zabijačka), France (tue-cochon), Georgia (ღორის დაკვლა, ghoris dak’vla), Greece, Hungary (disznóvágás), Italy (maialatura), Moldova, Montenegro (svinjokolj), Poland (świniobicie), Portugal (matança), Romania (tăiatul porcului, Ignat), Russia (Убой свиней, Uboy sviney) Serbia (see below), Slovakia (zabíjačka), Slovenia (koline), Spain (matanza), Ukraine, Corsica and others.
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The slaughter traditionally takes place in the autumn and early winter, and the timing has several practical considerations.[9] It can start as soon as it gets cold, as the cold is required as a natural method of preserving the relatively large quantities of meat during the butchering.[10] Yet, because people often do the work in the open, it is preferable that the temperatures aren't too much below freezing during this time, hence the slaughter rarely extends into winter. Also, slaughter activities typically need to produce results before the Christmas season, to provide for the festive cuisine.

Actual Christians would not celebrate Christmas this way.....

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After WWII, in Yugoslavia, a state holiday fell on 29 November, with that and next day being non-working, so most slaughters were held on that occasion. In Croatian region Dalmatia, the pig-slaughter are traditionally done in period between Christmas and New Year's Eve.

The entire duration of the slaughter can be as long as three days. Because people were traditionally stocking up on supplies before winter, it became customary to slaughter more than one pig, which increased the amount of time necessary for the meat to be processed. Some families visit their relatives (often grandparents) and friends at that time of the year, in order to help.
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To complement the activities, rakija or wine is drunk by participants during the butchering.[10]
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In some countries traditional pig slaughter is a special event.[16] Pig slaughter in the Czech Republic has usually taken place during the winter months, when low temperatures make it easier to store fresh meat and meat products. Preparations for the event extended over a number of days and involved a variety of ceremonies.[16] The event itself was accompanied by the making of traditional dishes such as jitrnice, tlačenka and škvarky. After the slaughter, the young men of the village would visit neighbours and relatives bringing gifts of meat and fresh soup. The pig slaughter ended with what was called a karmina, a special celebration held in the household where the slaughter had taken place. Invited guests, sometimes dressed in masks, would join in the feasting and drinking.[16] In the past, the traditional pig slaughters usually ended on Ash Wednesday.[16]
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The traditional domestic pig slaughter was a favourite theme of the renowned Czech painter Josef Lada.[16]
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In Slovakia, the pig slaughter (zabíjačka, zakáľačka, bravčovina, svinský kar, karmina) was an essential part of the winter traditions from early medieval times.[23] The pig slaughter was considered an important event in village society and an opportunity for families to get together. According to Katarína Nádaská of the Department of Ethnology and Cultural Anthropology at Comenius University in Bratislava, the traditional period for pig slaughters usually started on 21 December, the feast day of St. Thomas. There was a special magical importance attached to the date and farmers believed that the meat of a pig slaughtered on St. Thomas Day would last longer.[23] A second traditional pig slaughtering period began around Mardi Gras.

In the past there were a number of traditional customs associated with the pig slaughter. After the slaughter, the girls of the household would collect the bones and scatter them around the yard for love magic purposes.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Zabijacka.jpg)

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Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 15, 2022, 11:03:07 pm
There is no escape from Western civilization; either we destroy it or we remain its prisoners forever:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/galapagos-fantastic-giant-tortoise-believed-003106129.html

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Galapagos 'fantastic giant tortoise' was believed to be extinct for 100 years — until the discovery of a lone 50-year-old female nicknamed Fernanda
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"The significance of the find is huge," Evelyn Jensen, a lecturer in molecular ecology at Newcastle University, told Insider.
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"The finding of one alive specimen gives hope and also opens up new questions as many mysteries still remain," Caccone said, posing questions about whether there are more tortoises on Fernandina Island, whether they can be recovered through a breeding program, and how they got there in the first place.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 16, 2022, 08:20:37 pm
More Western-style problem 'solving':

https://www.businessinsider.in/science/news/burp-catching-mask-for-gassy-cows-designed-to-reduce-methane-emissions-and-slow-down-climate-change-wins-prestigious-prince-charles-prize/articleshow/91206976.cms

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An innovative face mask for cows, designed to reduce methane emissions and slow down climate change, has won a prestigious design award.

The wearable device for cattle, created by UK-based design group Zelp, was one of the four winners of the inaugural Terra Cart Design Lab competition.

Prince Charles, who launched the competition as part of his Sustainable Markets Initiative, hailed the ground-breaking design as "fascinating" at an awards ceremony in London on Wednesday, The Telegraph reported.

The design, a smart harness for cows, converts methane into carbon dioxide and water vapor.

Cows expel significant quantities of methane, an odorless greenhouse gas, which is more than 25 times as potent as carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the atmosphere.

Achieving significant reductions in methane emissions would have a rapid effect on slowing down climate change, per the United States Environmental Protection Agency.

A single dairy cow can produce up to 130 gallons of methane per day. And their burps account for 95% of a cow's methane emissions. There are approximately one billion cattle worldwide.

Non-Western solution: breed fewer cows.

Western 'solution':

(https://www.businessinsider.in/thumb/msid-91206340,width-700,resizemode-4,imgsize-891250/science/news/burp-catching-mask-for-gassy-cows-designed-to-reduce-methane-emissions-and-slow-down-climate-change-wins-prestigious-prince-charles-prize/img626a63e37f0c1c0018904fb6.jpg)

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In the past, solutions to the cattle industry's methane problem have involved changing cows' diets.

Wouldn't it be simpler for humans to change their diets to exclude cows?

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But Zelp's solution allows cows to digest typical food, with the mask working to detect, capture, and oxidize the methane in the cow's burps.

A sensor at the tip of the masks detects when a cow exhales and the percentage of methane expelled, WIRED reported. The mask sets the oxidation mechanism into action when methane levels are too high.

Westerners cannot grasp that the root cause of the problem is greed. We are in this mess because too many subhumans like eating cows. The best solution is to stop eating cows (or, better yet, eliminating the bloodlines of the subhumans who like eating cows). This is so obvious that it is impossible to miss. Yet in the Western worldview, to reduce greed is to "surrender" to the problem. In Western thinking, "solving" means getting what they want while avoiding the side-effects they don't want. Which usually means adding machines. In so doing, they get to sustainably eat as many cows as they are used to, but the cows have to suffer even more than they previously did.

(And what about the environmental impact of manufacturing the masks?)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: NSFAN on June 16, 2022, 08:32:55 pm
If anyone can read the above post and not be utterly appalled then they're probably already too far gone to be helped...
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 19, 2022, 03:33:15 am
How to be a Western scientist (one of the most highly respected professions in Western civilization) contd.:

https://us.yahoo.com/entertainment/pinch-might-able-breathe-butt-140003847.html

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In a pinch, you might be able to breathe through your butt
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scientists created a scenario in which pigs and mice in a laboratory were deprived of normal respiration and ventilated via the intestines. To improve the likelihood of oxygen uptake, some animals had their intestines scrubbed in order to thin the mucosal lining and reduce the barrier to the blood stream. Their findings were published in the journal Clinical and Translational Resource and Technology Insights.

Unsurprisingly, control animals who were deprived of respiration and received no intestinal ventilation, died after about 11 minutes. Animals who received intestinal ventilation without the intestinal scrubbing survived almost twice as long, about 18 minutes, indicating that there was some oxygen uptake. Lastly, 75% of those animals who had been scrubbed and received pressurized oxygen into the rectum, survived for an hour, the total length of the experiment.

This seemed to prove that mice and pigs are capable of intestinal respiration under the right conditions, giving researchers reason to believe that other mammals — like humans — might have the same capability.

However, the process of scrubbing the intestines is potentially dangerous and researchers wanted to uncover if there was an alternative solution which could achieve similar results. Their answer turned out to be oxygen-rich liquids known as perfluorocarbons. They repeated a similar experiment, again using mice and pigs, but this time they flooded the intestines which perfluorocarbons instead of gaseous oxygen. They found that the animals experienced increased blood oxygen levels which measured at normal levels.

More posts about what Western scientists are respected by Westerners for doing:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg5407/?topicseen#msg5407

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg6612/?topicseen#msg6612

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg7072/?topicseen#msg7072

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg8755/?topicseen#msg8755

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg12744/?topicseen#msg12744

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg12823/?topicseen#msg12823
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: NSFAN on June 19, 2022, 03:49:00 pm
It just keeps getting worse!
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on June 19, 2022, 08:18:19 pm
Who is worse:pure (empirical) scientists, or applied (machinist) scientists?

Machinists want to build machines because it makes it easier for them to exploit Goys, while empirical scientists want to gain more knowledge, exploiting Goys in the process, because it will help them exploit more Goys in the future. Not really any difference at the end of the day tbh.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 20, 2022, 12:11:24 am
"Who is worse:pure (empirical) scientists, or applied (machinist) scientists?"

Machinists are technologists, not scientists. It is certainly true that the Industrial Revolution (let alone the current AI, Transhumanist and Space Revolutions that we are desperately trying to stop) would not have happened without the Scientific Revolution happening first:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Revolution

Just as Western machinists have no moral sense that some things are not meant to be done, similarly Western scientists have no moral sense that some things are not meant to be known. Both are ultimately Homo Hubris, whose only guideline is to try to do/know as much as can be done/known (especially if no one else has successfully done/known it before). This is the type of personality that Western civilization produces when it is working as intended.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on June 20, 2022, 12:53:54 am
"Machinists are technologists"
I see. But I frequently hear the phrase "applied sciences" used to refer to (Western) engineering disciplines, so I assumed technologists could be classified as "applied scientists". However, you correct that they are not "scientists" in the actual definition of the word, as a scientist by definition is one who advances knowledge.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 20, 2022, 08:56:21 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/returning-wolves-could-save-rome-143324433.html

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The newspaper writes that there could be thousands of boars wandering the streets of Rome, scaring the citizens and devouring piles of rubbish left on the roads.
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But it's not just their 200-pound stature and sharp tusks that scare the locals, but the soaring cases of African swine fever affecting domestic pigs, which — while harmless to humans — pose a serious threat to the production of Italy's famed prosciutto ham.

So let's get this straight. Westerners initiate daily industrial-scale violence on countless numbers domestic pigs in order to produce prosciutto ham. Scavenging wild boars are disrupting this sustainable evil. And the wild boars are the ones portrayed as the bad guys?

So what is the Western response?

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To cull the population of boars, the Italian government's anti-boar tsar Angelo Ferrari told The Times that fencing had been erected along Rome's 68km surrounding ring road.

"The plan is for all those inside the ring road to get infected and die, even as we carry out a significant depopulation outside the city," he said.

Then, hunters in the Lazio region around Rome were given extra hunting permits to continue the cull, with officials hoping 50,000 could be destroyed.

So wild boars are also to become victims of Western initiated violence, because Western civilization insists that prosciutto ham be sustainable.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/%2214_-_ITALY_-_prosciutto_%28leg_-_ham%29_-_taglio_anatomico_della_carne_di_maiale.jpg/800px-%2214_-_ITALY_-_prosciutto_%28leg_-_ham%29_-_taglio_anatomico_della_carne_di_maiale.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosciutto#European_Union_Protected_Designations_of_Origin

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Under the Common Agricultural Policy of the European Union (EU), certain well-established meat products, including some local prosciutto, are covered by a Protected Designation of Origin (PDO) – DOP in Italian – and other, less stringent designations of geographical origin for traditional specialties. Various regions have their own PDO, whose specifications do not in general require ham from free-range pigs.

Prosciutto ham would not exist in an Islamic Italy. This is why we support:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/operation-gaddafi/
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on June 20, 2022, 11:12:57 pm
If only those boars would gore those subhumans with their tusks.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 21, 2022, 11:36:21 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/news/california-must-euthanize-350-000-192325157.html

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A bacteria outbreak in two state hatcheries is forcing the California Department of Fish and Wildlife to euthanize about 350,000 rainbow trout, which could affect fishing stock in some state waterways this summer.

Two Fish and Wildlife hatcheries in the Eastern Sierra have been fighting an outbreak of a naturally occurring bacteria, Lactococcus petauri, since it was first detected in April, according to a news release from the agency. But this week, staff at the Black Rock and Fish Springs hatcheries determined that about 350,000 infected rainbow trout were showing signs of disease and must be euthanized.

The two facilities typically stock waterways for recreational fishing in Imperial, Inyo, Mono, Riverside and San Bernardino counties, so availability in those areas will potentially be affected. But Fish and Wildlife officials are working to contract with external vendors to ship in other stock to not substantially affect fishing opportunities, the statement said.

The statement said officials are hoping to approve this new contract in July to be able to add the additional stock to waterways soon after, as well as supplement with other state hatcheries.

“This loss is a huge disappointment, but we were prepared for this possibility and are doing all we can to ensure to continued angling opportunity for the public,” Russell Black, a fisheries supervisor with the Fish and Wildlife, said in a statement. “The fish from the private contractor and stocks from non-infected hatchery facilities will help bridge the gap while we work to vaccinate the remaining stocks at the affected facilities.”
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 22, 2022, 09:20:40 pm
How to be a Western conservationist:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/18-foot-215-pound-invasive-144934665.html

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A Burmese python nearly 18 feet long and weighing 215 pounds has been caught in the Everglades, and it sets a weight record for the troublesome invasive species in Florida, according to The Conservancy of Southwest Florida.

Western conservationists are the actual invasive species.

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The non-profit conservancy announced the find June 22, and reports the female also carried a record number of eggs: 122 were developing in her abdomen.
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Conservancy officials say the massive 215-pound snake was discovered using a program that captures male pythons, fits them with radio transmitters, and tracks their movements. These “scout snakes” then lead researchers to “large reproductive females” and their nests.
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“The removal of female pythons plays a critical role in disrupting the breeding cycle of these apex predators that are wreaking havoc on the Everglades ecosystem and taking food sources from other native species,” Bartoszek said. “This is the wildlife issue of our time for southern Florida.”

The very fact that the pythons are easily caught by the Western conservationists shows it is the Western conservationists who are the actual apex predators.

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The conservancy python program dates to 2013 and is credited with removing 1,000 pythons from 100 square miles of southwest Florida. Collectively, those pythons weighed more than 26,000 pounds, the conservancy says.

National Park Service officials report the first removal of a python in the Everglades came in 1979. It is believed the snakes were introduced through the exotic pet trade, either when the pets escaped or were freed by owners.

As the environmental threat has grown, Florida has established a program allowing for pythons can be “humanely killed,” FWC says.

Western conservationists deserve to be inhumanely killed. They also look like what we would expect:

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/G629VkDiQdINhzu2v1BBmg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5NztjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/TzfZjHnSzqAVi3M4VYQFEQ--~B/aD0xMDgwO3c9MTkyMDthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/cbs_news_897/9702c820e656501f2d1325647ee222c7)

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Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: Zea_mays on July 19, 2022, 08:17:05 am
Without Western trends in "art" this never would have happened:
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Since the end of last month, 15 goldfish had been slowly dying at the Jeonnam Museum of Art in Gwangyang, South Korea, trapped inside an installation by the artist Yu Buk. On Tuesday, in response to accusations of animal cruelty, the animals were removed from the piece—after one-third of them had already died.

The sculpture, titled Fish, featured 15 intravenous solution bags hanging from the gallery ceiling, each filled with water and a single, doomed, fish swimming inside. Concerned visitors began asking how the goldfish were being fed, and when they learned they were not, they complained.

Local animal rights groups also began speaking out against the piece, which prompted the museum to save the surviving goldfish—to the artist’s displeasure.

“The slow deaths of the goldfish were meant to be a part of my piece. Now that the fish are gone, it lost its meaning as a work of art,” Yu told the Korea Times. “While this may cause discomfort to general audiences, the artist thinks and expresses differently from members of the public.”

This is hardly the first time the artist has incorporated animal mortality into his work. The bulk of Yu’s practice seems to involve luring flies and other insects to their death using glowing light and adhesive applied to acrylic or glass boxes.
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“My work consist of the death of bugs,” the artist wrote on OpenSea. “In a sense, I’m a bug hunter. When applying some luring liquid on the surface of photos or a wall and lighting up at night. Winged insects gather from the surroundings and are adhered to make an image.”
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/goldfish-trapped-yu-buk-2147663

Previously:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/?message=13326
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 26, 2022, 06:15:29 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-300-deer-killed-wisconsin-152419492.html

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GILMAN, Wis. – The largest depopulation of a deer farm in Wisconsin history is scheduled to take place this month, according to the state's Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection.

The action was ordered by DATCP after chronic wasting disease, also known as "zombie deer disease," was discovered at the facility, Maple Hill Farms near Gilman in Taylor County, in August 2021.

Wrangling about details of the depopulation, including whether some bucks could be sold and transferred to a CWD-positive shooting preserve, the source of indemnity and method used to kill the animals, has delayed the process until this summer.
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The disease has not been found to cause illness in livestock or humans. However, health officials do not recommend humans consume meat from a CWD-positive animal.

In other words, it is not a disease! It's just an infection that makes deer unsafe for humans to eat. But instead of simply ceasing to eat the deer, Westerners instead will make deer-eating sustainable by killing all suspected carriers in order to prevent them from transmitting it to other deer and making them inedible also.

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The disease was found at eight Wisconsin captive deer facilities in 2021 alone, according to DATCP reports. Two more were added this year.

The disease also has continued to spread, slowly but unrelentingly, among Wisconsin's wild deer.

Regulations, enforcement and technology are failing to prevent the spread of CWD in both the deer farming industry and the wild deer herd.

But when it comes to COVID, which is a disease, even mask-wearing to prevent transmissions is too much to ask (never mind lockdowns).....

Speaking of mask-wearing, don't forget:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg14124/#msg14124

Related:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/farming-vs-ranching/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 04, 2022, 04:29:15 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/race-save-fish-rio-grande-113108156.html

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For the first time in four decades, America's fifth-longest river went dry in Albuquerque last week. Habitat for the endangered Rio Grande silvery minnow — a shimmery, pinky-sized native fish — went with it.
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Scientists, water managers and environmental groups have worked to keep the fish alive — as required by the Endangered Species Act

No, you haven't; you have been working to keep the species alive by tormenting far more individuals than would if you simply let the species go extinct! Observe:

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When parts of the river dry out, officials use hand nets and seines to pull fish from warm puddles and relocate them to still-flowing sections of the river. The minnow's survival rate after being rescued is slim — just over 5% — due to the stress of warm, stagnant water and being forcibly relocated.
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Only a handful of the 400 rescued fish would survive, with their best chance swimming through treated sewage.

Worse, many of these individuals are ones who would have never even been born in the first place if not for Western conservationists forcing them to be born:

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Over the years, the government has bred and released large numbers of silvery minnows
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 06, 2022, 09:02:45 pm
How to be a Western scientist contd.:

https://sports.yahoo.com/massive-flying-carp-frenzy-triggered-161712408.html

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Massive flying carp frenzy triggered by researchers

The U.S Fish and Wildlife Service on Friday shared a showing silver carp leaping en masse during a scientific electrofishing operation.

The Facebook description begins, “Oh carp, we’re going to need a bigger boat!”

The agency explained that silver carp can leap as high as 10 feet when startled by a boat’s motor or, in this case, an electric current used during population assessment studies.

The electrofishing survey was conducted on the Fox River in Illinois.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/3zy4sd9PqBE53m5lQ2MI3A--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTU3NjtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/gOJ2OQYmtzqnEyuwCJMVVg--~B/aD02MDA7dz0xMDAwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/ftw_outdoors_usa_today_article_609/feaf2e24e384b51c1996b7c66af92683)

Previous coverage:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg3426/#msg3426
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 07, 2022, 05:58:38 pm
How Westerners think:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woolly-mammoth-really-brought-back-050000622.html

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when Novak was around 14 or 15 years old, he looked at the little plaque, which said the bighorn sheep had become extinct in the area and been reintroduced, as had the bison and elk. That realisation, Novak says, helped spur him to devote his life to recreating extinct species – chiefly the passenger pigeon, which was once so numerous in the eastern US that its flocks were said to block out the sun, but which died out in captivity in 1914.

‘People lived with those birds, people got to see those birds, and then people in history robbed me from getting to have the same incredible experience,’ says Novak, now 35, who lives in North Carolina with his young twins. ‘When one of the things that thrills a person is going out and seeing wildlife, it’s impossible not to feel like you’ve been personally robbed by the extinctions of the past few decades.’

If species that existed in the past do not exist now, Westerners feel robbed. I did not make this up. You just read those exact words in the above paragraph! In other words, Westerners view everything that has ever existed as their personal property.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/

Therefore, for the sake of being able to enjoy the same "thrills" as supposedly enjoyed by others in the past:

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Today Novak is part of a growing movement trying to bring about the ‘de-extinction’ of lost species through genetic engineering.
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he is working to edit existing pigeon genes and devise ways of inserting new DNA into a growing embryo – never before done for birds.
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But there are others who dream even bigger. Across the country, in Texas, Colossal Biosciences, a for-profit start-up, is trying to bring back the woolly mammoth. It has promised to produce a genetically modified Asian elephant that is as close as possible to its hairy forebear within the next six years.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg13336/#msg13336

By the way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak

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It is the most common surname in the Czech Republic,[3][4] Poland,[5] and Slovenia,[6] and the sixth most common in Croatia. It is also found in Romania and Moldova, in the Novac form, and among Ashkenazi Jews in various forms depending on their country of origin.[7]

Continuing:

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‘Extinction is a colossal problem facing the world, and Colossal is the company that’s going to fix it,’ the firm’s website promises.

Why is it a problem?! It is only a problem to Westerners seeking "thrills"! Instead of bringing back extinct species to please them, a better solution would be to make those with such a disgusting attitude go extinct too!

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Meanwhile, in Australia, the University of Melbourne has just set up a laboratory dedicated to replicating the thylacine, or Tasmanian tiger, thanks to a AUD 5 million (£2.8 million) donation in March from Aussie cryptocurrency entrepreneur Russell Wilson.
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‘If anyone can achieve de-extinction, it will be monumental,’ says Pask. ‘It will change the way we view extinction, change the way we view animal conservation.’

No, it won't, it will only reinforce your views. What will change the way we view extinction is by calling out the Western view as uniquely depraved, and fundamentally Yahwist:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/

Continuing:

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Back in 2000, in a tiny room in the Oxford University Museum of Natural History, Beth Shapiro carefully drilled into a dodo’s leg bone. It had taken some convincing for her manager to let this young American PhD student at the irreplaceable sample.

‘I had drilled into many bones, but none of them were that precious,’ recalls Shapiro. ‘We’re both sitting there feeling very nervous. But I knew that I had tried everything else. This was going to be my only shot at getting [dodo] DNA.’
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Today Shapiro is a professor at the University of California Santa Cruz (UCSC), a board member for Revive & Restore, and an advisor to Colossal, helping it identify which genes make the difference between a modern elephant and a mammoth. She recently sequenced a whole dodo genome from a sample in Denmark and even wrote a book called How To Clone a Mammoth, her ‘long-form answer’ to endless questions from journalists. Ben Novak, who studied with her at UCSC, describes her as the mother of defining de-extinction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapiro

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Shapiro, and its variations such as Shapira, Schapiro, Schapira, Sapir, Sapira, Spira, Sapiro, Spiro/Spyro (in Greek), Szapiro/Szpiro (in Polish) and Chapiro (in French), is a Jewish Ashkenazi surname.

Continuing:

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Why not instead – as many arguing against these technologies suggest – focus on conserving existing endangered animals?

This criticism is still based on Western thinking. Here is a better approach: why not see no problem with species extinction at all, and instead start seeing a problem with initiating violence against individuals instead? (We already know why not: because Westerners need their "thrills".)

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In Melbourne’s new hi-tech lab, mischievously named the Thylacine Integrated Research and Restoration Lab (or TIGRR), six postdoctoral students and two permanent staffers are cultivating a living population of marsupial stem cells, analysing their RNA and putting them in different conditions to test whether they could one day be used to produce thylacine proxy embryos. They rent time on powerful supercomputers to probe the genetic differences between thylacines and other marsupials, learning which DNA edits could best bridge the gap between them.

Much of that work is based on four surprisingly well-preserved DNA samples from three baby thylacines that had lain for years in a Melbourne museum archive, found in the pouch of a female who was shot around a century ago and preserved in ethanol rather than formaldehyde (which breaks up DNA).

Having sampled the babies in 2000, Andrew Pask was later able to reproduce a few thylacine genes and insert them into a developing mouse zygote, the first time extinct DNA has been ‘resurrected’ in a living animal. TIGRR’s new thylacine sequence, Pask says, is ‘the best genome at the moment for any extinct species’.

For advocates of de-extinction, this isn’t a distraction from conservation; it is conservation. Today, DNA from more than 1,200 endangered species and subspecies has been archived in San Diego’s Frozen Zoo, one of many such ‘biobanks’ around the world.

One day we must destroy all that archived DNA.

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He sees de-extinction as a continuation of existing conservation methods: we often breed endangered species in captivity to replenish wild populations, sometimes interbreeding them with other subspecies or training them with survival skills.

I agree, and hence oppose both.

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Colossal’s Ben Lamm and George Church believe they can identify which genes distinguish mammoths from modern elephants and then edit those traits – such as extra insulating fat and long hair – into Asian elephant DNA, which they say is about 99.6 per cent identical (compared to 98.6 per cent for humans and chimpanzees).

The hybrid creatures could then be implanted into living Asian elephant surrogate mothers, or potentially grown within an artificial womb; raised among elephants, the new mammoths would be first reintroduced at Pleistocene Park, a nature reserve in Siberia aiming to recreate the Ice Age’s ‘mammoth steppe’.
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Ultimately, Church and Lamm see surrogacy as a stopgap solution: beyond the moral risks, there are simply too few Asian elephants to ‘scale up’ to mass mammoth production. Instead, the company plans to develop forms of artificial gestation, such as an artificial womb or a womb-mimicking plastic bag for deliberate premature births (as has already been tested on lambs).

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

Continuing:

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In 2015, Game of Thrones author George RR Martin gave $10,000 to Revive & Restore after hearing Novak give a TEDx talk. In those days, that was big money for de-extinction; now Colossal has changed everything. Novak is glad for the influx, which has already sparked more donor interest in non-profits such as Revive & Restore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._R._Martin

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he is approximately a quarter Ashkenazi Jewish.[13]

Every single time.....

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/

Hardly surprising, considering:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg11366/#msg11366
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 11, 2022, 08:40:22 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nypd-seen-dousing-distressed-carriage-152554603.html

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The crowd grew on Ninth Ave. and 45th Street in the Hell's Kitchen neighborhood of Manhattan after the horse collapsed and the driver of the carriage was seen whipping the animal with reins in an attempt to get it to stand back up.

“Get up! Get up! Get up! C’mon, get up,” the driver begged the horse, to the dismay of onlookers.

Kelvin Gonzalez told NBC New York that he watched the scene in horror.

“He started whipping and saying ‘Get up, get up. Like bro, don’t whip your horse, he obviously needs some water he, looked dehydrated,” Gonzalez said.
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Carriage horses have caused contentious debate in New York for years. Former Mayor Bill de Blasio vowed that one of his first acts in office would be to ban horse-drawn carriages. He was unsuccessful, but was able to sign the carriage horse relief bill into law, which makes it illegal for the horses to work in temperatures 90 degrees or hotter. Wednesday's high temperature was 87 degrees.

(https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2022/08/11/525445603667099994/636x382_JPG-SINGLE_525445603667099994.jpg)

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_focal-520x260,f_auto,q_auto:best/mpx/2704722219/2022_08/f_mo_horse_collapse_nyc_220811-3wpvj8.jpg)

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg396/#msg396

It goes without saying that carriages did not exist in America prior to the colonial era.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 22, 2022, 04:38:15 pm
What Western scientists are paid to do:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/scientists-hell-bent-resurrecting-tasmanian-181500024.html

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Scientists Are Hell-Bent on Resurrecting the Tasmanian Tiger. Here’s Their Complicated Plan

    De-extinction efforts focus on reviving extinct species or crafting new organisms that resemble said species—in this case, the thylacine, or Tasmanian tiger.

    Colossal Biosciences in Dallas, Texas hopes to bring back the Tasmanian tiger with help from Australian scientists.

    The plan? Finish genome sequencing before gene editing and engineering to birth a new thylacine.
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Ultimately, this will lead to inserting thylacine genes into the genome of a dasyurid and stimulating embryonic growth until it is ready for a surrogate and eventual birth. The current plan calls for taking stem cells from the living dasyurid, or dunnart—a marsupial relative that bears basically no resemblance to the thylacine (think: mouse-like dunnart vs. wolf-like Tasmanian tiger)—and then editing genes to get as close to a new thylacine as possible.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: bondburger on August 24, 2022, 06:34:34 pm
Excellent 2010 video from The Onion mocking the needless cruelty and pointlessness of Western animal testing.
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k

Reminds me very much of the experiments in "Learned Helplessness" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness#Early_experiments) in which animals were subjected to repeated painful stimuli with no ways of making it stop until they lost hope and were conditioned to just accept the pain. I first heard of these experiments a few years ago from Kaczynski's writings, in which he claims the technological-society conditions humans similarly in regards to psychological suffering. One thing that his mostly-rightist followers never comment on though is the cruelty of the experiment itself. Nobody remotely empathetic needs the results and implications of the experiments to be disgusted by technological progress, the fact that such experiments can be conducted at all is disgusting enough.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on August 25, 2022, 08:40:29 pm
https://youtu.be/5hbenumAaJM
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 26, 2022, 05:46:45 pm
Westerners = vampires. By the way, Cherasco is here:

(https://cdn.filestackcontent.com/XoYZJkoLQ5W5kT6nsZ6C)

Our theory of Northern Italian inferiority continues to hold:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/padania-vs-saturnia/
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 31, 2022, 09:49:19 pm
It's OK for torches to be "white":

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11164357/Terrified-bull-tied-flaming-torches-attached-horns-Spanish-festival.html

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Footage has emerged of a bull wailing in terror as it is tied to a post with a rope while its captors attach flaming torches to its horns during a bull running festival in Spain.

The harrowing clip, captured on August 18 in the municipality of Museros, Valencia, shows the moment the bull is lashed to a post while event organisers forced a flammable device onto its horns.

Attendants set the torches alight, causing the animal to moan in fear and anger, before the beast is released and sent running through the streets after goading festival goers.
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A bull with flaming horns is known as a 'toro embolado' - or 'bull with balls' - and is a sight that can be witnessed in many Spanish towns during bull running events.

Locals try to dodge the bull as it rips through the town's roads, but the pain caused by the flames typically work the animal into a frenzy, making them even more dangerous.
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'The images show how, as it leaves his enclosure, it is met by several dozen men who, shouting, quickly surround it and even pounce on it to anchor it to the post where the devices will be placed on its horns.'

They said that it was a 'situation that cattle experience with great sensitivity' which amounts to 'real torture', according to veterinary reports that have documented similar events.
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bulls are tortured at over 17,000 events that take place every year throughout Spain, highlighting that Valencia has the highest number.

They said that Valencia has over 300 municipalities that celebrate this type of event

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/31/11/61902545-11164357-image-a-66_1661942663539.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/31/11/61902539-11164357-image-a-67_1661942666251.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/31/11/61902547-11164357-image-a-69_1661942677192.jpg)

But when Ahimsa happens, they think it is a tragedy:

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The footage of the unsettling incident was released just days after a flaming bull gored a young man to death in a nearby municipality in Valencia.

Shocking footage showed Adrian Martinez Fernandez, 24, being smashed by a furious beast in the town of Vallada on Sunday, August 21.

The animal whose horns had been set alight for the festival turned Fernandez over and then gored him as terrified festival-goers, standing mere feet away but protected by railings, looked on in disbelief.

The 24-year-old, who had travelled from Almansa to attend the festivities, was taken by ambulance to the hospital as a precaution with no immediately visible injuries.

But the attack had ruptured his spleen and caused several other internal injuries, leaving medical staff with no hope of saving his life.
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A minute of silence was held instead in the town's Plaza to honour Fernandez after locals received news he had died.

The town also sent their support and expressed their 'regret and solidarity' to the family and friends of the 24-year-old.

This is how Westerners perceive their interactions with others: "We can do whatever we like whenever we like to whomever we like, but if they retaliate against us in any way, we are the victims who deserve to be eulogized."

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The municipality of Vallada was celebrating its patron saint festivities in honour of San Bertomeu, the Santísimo Cristo del Monte Calvario and the Virgen de Gracia.

It goes without saying that those who treat cows this way are not Christians, irrespective of their own claims. You can also tell they are not Christians from their Homo Hubris architecture (which one day we will demolish every last building of):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Catedral_de_Valencia%2C_Valencia%2C_Espa%C3%B1a%2C_2014-06-30%2C_DD_144.JPG/526px-Catedral_de_Valencia%2C_Valencia%2C_Espa%C3%B1a%2C_2014-06-30%2C_DD_144.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Catedral_de_Valencia%2C_Valencia%2C_Espa%C3%B1a%2C_2014-06-30%2C_DD_149.JPG/800px-Catedral_de_Valencia%2C_Valencia%2C_Espa%C3%B1a%2C_2014-06-30%2C_DD_149.JPG)

but I digress.

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Festivities ended this past Sunday, marking a week of celebrations.

After two years of the COVID-19 pandemic, the locals had reportedly welcomed the long-awaited return of the festival.

The only way to end the festival permanently is to end the bloodlines of all who support it. Not least:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/vox/
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: NSFAN on September 01, 2022, 07:47:15 pm
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The town also sent their support and expressed their 'regret and solidarity' to the family and friends of the 24-year-old.

Are we really all that surprised that at the end of the day humanists do NOT really even have empathy for other humans? That is so disgusting to claim "regret and solidarity" with survivors when it is your own actions that caused the death of others. Are most human-beings just pure bullshit, pun intended, at this point? I suspect most humanistic anthropocentric types —the majority of human-beings apparently— do not even care all that much for other humans, their inner tribal instincts merely tell them to at the least feign caring for other humans in the tribe so to ensure that the tribe will protect them from the others.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 07, 2022, 11:58:02 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/11-turkey-farm-workers-charged-131101913.html

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The animal rights group said it sent an undercover investigator to Plainville Farms to evaluate the marketing claims of a third-party labeling program that had designated Plainville as “animal welfare certified.”

The PETA investigator worked on a Plainville Farms crew for about three weeks and captured graphic video that appeared to show workers mistreating the birds.

“Every night, at every farm the crews worked at, these men threw turkeys, viciously kicked and stomped on them, and killed them in the most rampant, top-to-bottom display of cruelty to farmed animals we’ve ever seen,” Dan Paden, a PETA vice president, said in a phone interview.
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Plainville continues to advertise its turkeys as “humanely raised” in a “stress-free environment,”
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Plainville employs about 600 workers and slaughtered about 90 million live pounds of turkey last year, according to WATT PoultryUSA, a trade publication.

Of course there is the usual divergence in reaction in the comments. Rightist:

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The "victims" of which you speak were born to be consumed. If wasn't for my money, they wouldn't have existed in the first place.

False Leftist:

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Any human that hurts and abuses animals will do the same to other humans.

True Leftist:

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What they did to the Turkeys they should get the same !
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 14, 2022, 12:57:32 am
Previously:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg12744/#msg12744

Every time we think Western scientists can't sink lower, they prove us wrong:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-grow-human-brain-cells-150039787.html

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Scientists have transplanted human brain cells into the brains of baby rats, where the cells grew and formed connections.
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The research builds upon the team’s previous work creating brain “organoids,” tiny structures resembling human organs that have also been made to represent others such as livers, kidneys, prostates, or key parts of them.
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Scientists transplanted those organoids into rat pups 2 to 3 days old, a stage when brain connections are still forming. The organoids grew so that they eventually occupied a third of the hemisphere of the rat’s brain where they were implanted.
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Pasca, a psychiatry professor at the Stanford School of Medicine, said this is the first time these organoids have been placed into early rat brains, creating “the most advanced human brain circuitry ever built from human skin cells and a demonstration that implanted human neurons can influence an animal’s behavior.”

Is there anything that can be placed into Western scientists' brains to stop them from doing more experiments on their victims who never consented to being experimented on? How about bullets? (Preferably before the Western scientists are able to reproduce, thus eliminating their bloodlines.)
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 16, 2022, 10:06:17 pm
Francis officially confirms that the uniquely Western obsession with species preservation is, as I have long claimed, Yahwist in origin:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/despain-pope-francis-calls-christian-090109945.html

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Pope Francis contends we “must not be indifferent or resigned to the loss of biodiversity
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He warns: “Because of us, thousands of species will no longer give glory to God by their very existence. … We have no such right.”
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on October 18, 2022, 02:40:30 am
https://youtu.be/esNN0tIGByI
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: rp on November 13, 2022, 12:04:46 pm
https://twitter.com/BrendenDeeg_/status/1589339491604779011?cxt=HHwWhsDSiZr2u44sAAAA
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A man in Philadelphia has eaten a whole rotisserie chicken for 40 straight days.

This picture belongs in a museum.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fg531_MXoAQnwcP?format=jpg&name=small)

Note the ethnicities of the individuals present.
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 25, 2022, 03:16:22 am
https://us.yahoo.com/news/feds-gun-down-hogs-congaree-110000125.html

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Federal sharpshooters recently ventured deep into Congaree National Park, looking to kill a type of voracious animal that threatens the preserve’s fragile, forested floodplain southeast of Columbia.

Wild hogs are marching across South Carolina as they look for food on the Palmetto State’s landscape. And they haven’t spared Congaree National Park, a swampy 27,000-acre woodland that is a cornerstone of South Carolina’s nature preserves.

So in the government’s latest attempt to control the hog population, parts of the park were closed in October to let federal wildlife officials hunt and kill as many hogs as they could find.
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“This was shooting hogs in the backcountry while they were feeding in there,’’ Shelley said.

The National Park Service increased efforts to control hog populations at Congaree about seven years ago, getting the agriculture department’s animal control unit to increase its presence in the park. In the first year of the expanded program, more than 100 hogs were killed, the park service says.

Shelley said the annual numbers have been steady since then, with the peak year being 2017, when 241 hogs were taken out. Hogs are either hunted or shot in pens after they are trapped.
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“Hogs are extremely impactful to the environment with their rooting behavior,’’ Shelley said.

Westerners are infinitely more impactful to the environment with their Homo Hubris behaviour, 90sRetroFan said.

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In addition to those issues, hogs that dig up the ground at Congaree are polluting the park’s tea-colored streams with sediment and waste that runs off the land, officials say.

In addition to those issue, Westerners that dig up oil all over the planet are polluting the planet's oceans with plastic and forever chemicals that runs off the land, True Leftists say.

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One recent study by a team of scientists, including Shelley, found that certain types of pollution in the park’s creeks most likely has come from feral hogs.

One recent study by a team of True Leftists, including 90sRetroFan, found that >99% of types of pollution in the world most likely has come from post-Renaissance Westerners.

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The issue is of note because fecal bacteria pollution in water can carry disease that makes people sick. Many of the park’s visitors fish, kayak and swim in streams, such as Cedar Creek.

Then stop doing this (especially fishing), FFS! But no, Westerners must sustainably kill hogs so that they can sustainably continue fishing.

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Many hogs are believed to walk into the park from adjoining private land. This time of year, they are attracted to the park as acorns fall to the ground, Shelley said.

Many Westerners are believed to walk into the park from adjoining Western-occupied land. This time of year, they are attracted to the park as their victims fall to the ground after being shot, 90sRetroFan said.

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Because of its ecological significance, Congaree National Park has thousands of acres of federally designated wilderness. Wilderness areas are so significant that extra care is taken to protect their natural features.

By killing hogs. Every year over and over again without end.

Now for the punchline:

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Statewide, South Carolina has an estimated 150,000 feral hogs roaming the countryside in all 46 counties, the S.C. Department of Natural Resources has estimated.

Many of the animals are descendants of escaped pigs from Colonial times.. Others have been released to the landscape by sportsmen so they will have animals to hunt on large tracts, the DNR says.

In other words, it was the Westerners themselves who introduced the hogs to the countryside in the first place! And now they are killing them year after year just to keep the countryside the way Westerners like it. But it's the hogs' fault, according to Westerners.

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Because hogs are considered a nuisance and not a game animal, they can be shot on private land anytime of the year in South Carolina.

I consider Westerners a nuisance.

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In addition to shooting hogs in pens or during special hunts, other methods of controlling the population are under consideration, including plans to poison the porkers. The poison under consideration is supposed to target pigs but is not expected to threaten other wildlife. Shelley said that is not yet available for use at Congaree National Park.

Another method of controlling hogs is the use of helicopters. Federal officials will shoot hogs from the air as they hover over open areas, such as marshes and farm fields. Government shooters have done some of that near Congaree National Park along the Congaree River, naturalist Dave Schuetrum said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyKL2yNoWvM

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Schuetrum, who belongs to a hunt club near Congaree National Park, said the federal government needs to do as much as possible to keep the hog population down. His hunt club kills an estimated 400 hogs each year, but the animals still are roaming the landscape near the park.

“I think more needs to be done,’’ said Schuetrum, who heads the S.C. Association of Naturalists, a group dedicated to sharing information about the state’s natural history. “These hogs, they’re doing a lot of damage. You think about things like the salamanders, they’re eating all this stuff. They’re destroying all this native stuff that we have.’’

90sRetroFan, who belongs to an Ahimsa club near the True Left forum, said Ahimsa activists need to do as much as possible to keep the Westerner population down. His Ahimsa club kills a few Westerners a year:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/

but the subhumans are still roaming the planet.

"I think more needs to be done," said 90sRetroFan, who heads the WWW Association of Aryanists, a group dedicated to sharing information about the world's Aryan prehistory. "These Westerners, they're doing a lot of damage. You think about things like the machinists, they're inventing all this stuff. They're destroying all this native stuff that we have."
Title: Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
Post by: NSFAN on November 29, 2022, 12:55:42 pm
Fox Host Thinks Lobster Is A Vegetable
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"Whole Foods has recently decided not to sell lobster from Maine after two sustainability organizations threatened to withdraw their endorsements of the U.S. lobster fishing industry.

Marine Stewardship Council and Seafood Watch are concerned about the impact the fishing gear is having on the rare North Atlantic right whales. There are only 340 of that species of whales left in the world. Whole Foods said that they are monitoring the situation and “committed to working with suppliers, fisheries, and environmental advocacy groups as it develops.”

The Fox network, however, is furious that they can no longer buy their lobster at Whole Foods."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr8rySnVSWw

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In french, seafood is "fruit of the sea", and this dumb **** heard that and took it literally.  Fox news is a clown car with no wheels.
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I DON'T LIKE SEAFOOD, I'm a carnivore?  There seems to be a competition to find the biggest moron on the planet? It started with the fascist politicians like the orange moron and associates, but these Fux news clowns are definitely in the race!
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I guarantee he doesnt think it's a vegetable. What he probably meant is that he prefers red meat!
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Yea that would be piscivore Ana, typically carnivore is more of a word for meat, though fish have meat they are not classified as such in culinary terminology. I'm a carnitarian- one who doesn't eat seafood but eats vegetables and meat. You wackos on the left should know these terms so you can further figure out who's oppressed and then we can make up fake ones...
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You wacko semi-illiterates should probably learn that lobster isn’t a fish. If we’re being pedantic, let’s at least do so thoroughly.
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I worked in an elite seafood establishment. They rip living lobsters claws off, and stuff them into a scalding steamer, This is out-and-out cruelty, whether they can feel it or not.

GRAPHIC: SCREAMING LOBSTERS, BOILED AND BURNED ALIVE (HOW TO COOK PREPARE LIVE LOBSTER)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKiiFrfJj-s

10 Medieval Execution Methods That Are The Definition Of Cruel And Unusual
https://allthatsinteresting.com/medieval-execution-methods/7

(https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/boiling-in-water-illustration.jpg)

(https://allthatsinteresting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/death-by-boiling-illustration.png)
Title: Re: Leftists against progressivism
Post by: rp on December 03, 2022, 11:25:49 pm
https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1597008761818054657
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Richard Spencer
@Richardbspencer
It's noteworthy that the Progressive era developed Nordicist immigration, eugenics, and environmental conservation and national parks. This is the intellectual and political movement that the Catholic-led "conservative movement" choses to demonize.