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History => Colonial Era => Topic started by: guest5 on July 08, 2020, 11:56:15 am


Title: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on July 08, 2020, 11:56:15 am
Westerners obviously feel the need to revise their own history, especially in regards to WWI and WWII. (Why do westerners always project their own racism onto their perceived enemies?) Also, it seems westerners often just read the title of a book and then go about pretending they know what the entire book is about. Nor do they seem all that capable of asking the right questions either. Here are some of many examples:

Bush, Rockefeller, Rothschild & Hitler
By Michael Collins Piper

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Some AMERICAN FREE PRESS readers were upset by the first two articles in this series reflecting on the proliferation of myths, phony documents and fraudulent “quotations” muddying serious research into big issues of the current day and events of the past.

However, AFP’s job is to report the facts.

This week, we take a look at one particularly ubiquitous myth—a combination of myths—which has excited many: A variety of claims the Bush, Rockefeller and Rothschild families and a host of “Jewish bankers”—together or independently—helped finance Hitler’s rise to power.

The most cited source for the story Jewish bankers paved the way for Hitler is Hitler’s Secret Backers, supposedly by a Jewish banker named Sidney Warburg.

First of all, there was no Sidney Warburg. But those who actually read the spurious book (and most who cite it haven’t read it) will find the unknown author says—in contrast to what people think he said—that Jewish bankers didn’t finance Hitler. Instead, the book claims some naughty non-Jewish bankers did so.

But even that isn’t true. An accurate assessment by James Pool in Who Financed Hitler absolutely refutes the legend big banking or industrial interests played a substantial role funding Hitler. Most of the Nazi Party’s money came from small contributions and sales of literature.

No Rothschilds backed Hitler. That’s a myth. One banker, a practicing Christian of one-quarter Jewish descent, was said—by one source, passing on a rumor—to have donated money to Hitler. And that’s it. The one Jewish banker known to have given money to any Nazis gave it to elements in the Nazi party—the Strasser brothers—who were trying to stop Hitler.

And Hitler wasn’t descended from any Rothschilds or Frankenbergers. If he had any Jewish blood, it has never been authoritatively traced.

One proponent of the claim Hitler was Jewish cites Brigitte Hamann’s Hitler’s Vienna as proof, pointing out the book describes stories of Hitler’s Jewish heritage. In fact, Hamann dissects the legends, refuting them in detail. Scholars such as Carolyn Yeager and Veronica Clark, in Warwolves of the Iron Cross, have also demolished the rumors.

Some claim Hitler was pro-Zionist. They are wrong. For a brief period Hitler did encourage some Zionists in efforts to promote Jewish immigration from Germany to Palestine, as described in Edwin Black’s The Transfer Agreement. However, at the same time, other Zionist forces were calling for war against Hitler as early as 1933.

The legendary “Nazi-Zionist collaboration” was a tiny blip of no geopolitical consequence. But it makes for great Internet chatter.

Others are hysterical over the fact American banks and corporations worked with the Nazi regime, yet—despite the frenzy—this is neither a major revelation nor is it extraordinary.

These were well-known arrangements, sometimes going back decades, with whatever German government was in power.

Many think that Antony Sutton “proved” in Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler that Rockefeller-controlled Standard Oil funded Hitler. However, in his book, Sutton says flatly: “Standard Oil apparently did not finance Hitler’s accession to power.”

Some cite that same book as evidence the Bush family, with the Harriman banking interests, funded Hitler. In fact, Sutton says only that the Harrimans—like many American financial groups—had connections to corporate interests in Germany. And he concludes that this “does not suggest that the Harrimans directly financed Hitler.” He never mentions the Bushes at all.

Another rumor claims the Bushes were part of a “fascist plot” to overthrow Franklin Roosevelt, often citing Jules Archer’s The Plot to Seize the White House. While there was a scheme to dislodge FDR—which many patriots believe to have been a good thing—the book never mentions the Bushes, nor is there any other evidence they had anything to do with that plot.

As Detective Sergeant Joe Friday used to say: “Just the facts.”
https://americanfreepress.net/bush-rockefeller-rothschild-hitler/

The real question westerners should have been asking themselves is: Why would the Rothschild international banking family fund a supposed communist revolutionary as in the likes of Karl Marx? Not, was Hitler a Rothschild....
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See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/monetary-wealth/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on July 08, 2020, 07:03:33 pm
This is what I mean when I say "westerners always project their own racism on their perceived enemies":

Who were the real racists of WWII?

Tales Of The Red Tails

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Alexander Jefferson, a small, trim man with a silver mustache, told of being shot down on Aug. 12, 1944. He was strafing German radar stations when his plane was hit. He lost consciousness after the crash, and awakened to a German pointing a gun at him and shouting, "Naeger! Naeger!"

"I thought, 'Oh, crap — even in Germany!' " Jefferson laughed, shaking his head. "But it turned out he wasn't saying the other word — that was their word for negro."

In fact, the German soldier's commanding officer saluted Jefferson when he took the pilot into custody. "I was treated like an officer the whole time I spent in POW camp," Jefferson said.

A Delayed Salute
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Coming back on the boat, got to New York Harbor, the flags waving, the Statue of Liberty. Walked down the gangplank, and a little soldier at the bottom said, 'Whites to the right, niggers to the left.'
https://www.npr.org/2011/04/11/135177510/tuskegee-airmen-rock-stars-of-american-history

The above fact helps make sense of this Third Reich propaganda poster also:
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Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on July 10, 2020, 12:05:14 pm
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Westerners see the following meme and it leads them to believe that Goebbels lied to the German people. If westerners actually bothered to research and read what Goebbels really said about propaganda, they would quickly realize that Goebbels believed that a propaganda that lies cannot be successful in the long term:

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Goebbels at Nuremberg — 1934
by Joseph Goebbels

It is difficult to define the concept of propaganda thoroughly and precisely. This is especially true since, in past decades, it was subject to unfavorable, and in part extraordinarily hostile, definitions, on the part of us Germans. First, then, we must defend it. Those abroad sometimes claim that in the past we Germans were particularly knowledgeable in this area, and knew how to apply it, but that unfortunately is not consistent with the facts. We learned the consequences of our neglect all too clearly during the World War. While the enemy states produced unprecedented atrocity propaganda aimed at Germany throughout the whole world, we did nothing and were completely defenseless against it. Only when enemy foreign propaganda had nearly won over the greater part even of the neutral states did the German government begin to sense the enormous power of propaganda. It was too late. Just as we were militarily and economically unprepared for the war, so also with propaganda. We lost the war in this area more than in any other.

The cleverest trick used in propaganda against Germany during the war was to accuse Germany of what our enemies themselves were doing. Even today, large parts of world opinion are convinced that the typical characteristics of German propaganda are lying, crudeness, reversing the facts, and the like. One needs only to remember the stories that were spread throughout the world at the beginning of the war about German soldiers chopping off children’s hands and crucifying women to realize that Germany then was a defenseless victim of this campaign of calumny. It neither had nor used any means of defense....

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All propaganda has a direction. The quality of this direction determines whether propaganda has a positive or negative effect. Good propaganda does not need to lie, indeed it may not lie. It has no reason to fear the truth. It is a mistake to believe that the people cannot take the truth. They can. It is only a matter of presenting the truth to people in a way that they will be able to understand. A propaganda that lies proves that it has a bad cause. It cannot be successful in the long run. A good propaganda will always come along that serves a good cause. But propaganda is still necessary if a good cause is to succeed. A good idea does not win simply because it is good. It must be presented properly if it is to win. The combination makes for the best propaganda. Such propaganda is successful without being obnoxious. It depends on its nature, not its methods. It works without being noticed. Its goals are inherent in its nature. Since it is almost invisible, it is effective and powerful. A good cause will lose to a bad one if it depends only on its rightness, while the other side uses the methods of influencing the masses. We are, for example, firmly convinced that we fought the war for a good cause, but that was not enough. The world should also have known and seen that our cause was good. However, we lacked the effective means of mass propaganda to make that clear to the world. Marxism certainly did not fight for great ideals. Despite that, in November 1918 it overcame Kaiser, Reich, and the army because it was superior in the art of mass propaganda....

— Joseph Goebbels, Der Kongress zur Nürnberg 1934 (Munich: Zentralverlag der NSDAP., Frz. Eher Nachf., 1934), pp. 130-141.
German Propaganda Archive Calvin College


Why are westerners so dumb and ignorant, especially in the middle of an "information age"?

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Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on July 10, 2020, 12:25:32 pm
Living in Hitler’s Germany
A letter from Hans Schmidt of GANPAC
Published in the Hoskins Report, Dec. 1993
Richard Kelly Hoskins, publisher

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You asked for someone who had lived in Hitler’s Germany to tell what it was like. Permit me, someone who lived under the Swastika flag from 1935, when the Saar was reunited with Germany, to 1945, to give a short answer.

To be a boy or girl at that time was wonderful. In the Hitler Youth the differences between Christian denominations or the different German states didn’t count. We all truly felt that we were members of one body of people – one nation. Youth hostels were opened all over the Reich, enabling us to hike from one beautiful town to another seeing our fatherland. Every effort was made to strengthen our minds and bodies. Contrary to what is said today, we were encouraged to become free in spirit, and not to succumb to peer (or authority) pressure. In peacetime, NO military training was allowed by the Hitler Youth leadership; scouting yes.
Incidentally, to “snitch on our parents” was frowned upon.

At the very time when America’s allies, the Soviets, destroyed most of the Christian churches in Russia and Ukraine, about 2500 new churches were built in Germany. NOT ONE Christian church was closed. It was the law that school and church had priority over service in the Hitler Youth. As late as the fall of 1944, the Waffen SS barracks in Breslau supplied two buses to take youth to either the nearest Catholic or Protestant church every Sunday. To be a registered member of a Christian church did not prevent advancement in the National Socialist Party. Germany was National Socialist, but free enterprise flourished during the entire Hitler years. No company was nationalized. No small businessman was stopped from opening up his own store. I myself worked during the war for a company that can only be called part of international capitalism. If you owned shares, nobody confiscated them, like the allies did in 1945.

The accomplishments of the ‘Nazis’ were incredible. Starting without money and with six million unemployed (a third of the workforce), they constructed the entire German Autobahn road network in a short span of 6 years – almost without corruption – while seeing to it that the new road system did not unnecessarily destroy either the German landscape, or wildlife habitats and forests. Two years after the NS were elected to power, conditions were so improved that workers had to be hired in nearby friendly countries to help alleviate the worker’s shortage in Germany. Germany was booming while Britain, France and the US were in the depths of depression.

To help the workers get cheap transportation, the VW was designed and a factory was being built for their manufacture when the war started. Also, for the common people, villages of small single family homes were erected. The monthly payments were set so low that almost anyone could afford his own house. In Hitler’s Germany there were no homeless; no beggars. Crime was almost non existent because habitual criminals were in concentration camps. All this was reported in the newspapers and was known by everybody.

The German press during the Third Reich had fewer taboos than the American press today. The only taboo I can think of evolved around Hitler, and, during the war, there was a law that prohibited “defeatism”. This was because of the negative role the German press played in the German defeat of 1918. It bears remembering that the ‘European Economic Community” was first coined by the Third Reich government. I remember many articles, both pro and con about this subject. One should also not forget that during the war at least seven million foreign nationals (nearly 10% of the population) worked in Germany, either as voluntary workers (Dutch, Danes, French, Poles, Ukrainians come to mind), or as forced laborers or as prisoners. I know of no instance where foreigners were attacked or molested (much less killed) because they were foreigners. Speaking of the press, I have an article from 1943 in my possession that spells out how necessary friendship is between the German and Russian peoples. Between 1933 and 1945 there was a tremendous emphasis on culture: theatres flourished; the German movie industry produced about 100 feature films per year (of which not one was anti-American. Only 50 of them can be considered pure propaganda movies). Some the best classical recordings still extant were made in Hitler’s Germany. Actors from all over Europe, but mainly from France, Sweden and Italy were stars in German movies.

Germany always loved sports, and there was no lack of opportunities to partake in any sport one liked. The 1936 Berlin Olympics was merely a showcase of what transpired all over the Reich. In a book on these Olympics issued by the Hitler Youth that is still in my possession, Jesse Owens is shown several times and mentioned favorably. During the Schmeling boxing fights, we kids all knew of Joe Louis, the brown bomber. Nowhere did I ever read derogatory remarks about other races. Certainly the accomplishments of Germany and the Germans were given prominence, similar to ‘the ad nauseum’ statements of today that the U.S. is the land of the free, etc. In my ten years in the Hitler Youth (actually 8, since I obviously couldn’t attend while a soldier), the Jews were never mentioned. Other sports that gripped our attention were flying (there was Hitler Youth flying training with their own sail planes), car races (British and Italian drivers dominated) and riding.

Frequently I am asked about gun control during the Hitler era. Claims are made that Hitler could take power because he disarmed the German people. That is nonsense. In Germany gun ownership was never as prevalent as it is in America. I would say that for hundreds of years one needed a gun license in order to keep a weapon. On the other hand, my father owned an old pistol clandestinely (about which we children knew), and there were gun clubs all over the Reich. Furthermore, Germany was always a country with many excellent gunsmiths. It is doubtful that they could stay in business if the laws were too stringent. I would surmise that while Germany was Germany (before it was ‘liberated’ by the allies) gun ownership probably was far more widespread than is acknowledged today. Laws on the books were mainly to give....

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Title: Yahweh, Tribal g-d of The West, The NWO, British Israelism, and Christian Identity
Post by: guest5 on September 13, 2020, 05:00:46 pm
Right-Wingers in general across the globe should abandon Hitler as their hero, that is if they wish to continue their anti-immigration stance?:

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Hitler the “Foreigner”

“Hitler is a foreigner, a Czech!”

Why?

He was born in Braunau in Lower Austria. Braunau on the Inn — not to be confused with Braunau in German Bohemia —is a small, purely German town on the Bavarian border, part of the “Inn district” that was cut off from Bavaria and given to Austria in 1779. Three generations before Adolf Hitler’s birth it was still Bavarian, and it is only the result of dynastic disputes that it is today part of Austria.

Even so, are not the Austrians our blood brothers whose return to the Reich is longed for with the same intensity on each side of the accursed border markers? Adolf Hitler himself writes of this in the first chapter of his book Mein Kampf:

    “Today it seems to me providential that Fate should have chosen Braunau on the Inn as my birthplace. For this little town lies on the boundary between two German states which we of the younger generation at least have made it our life work to reunite by every means at our disposal.”

Adolf Hitler was born on 20 April 1889 in the customs house at Braunau, the son of an Austrian customs official, only a few minutes from the border. Hitler’s grandfather was a poor cottager from the Forest Quarter.

No one can claim that Hitler’s ancestry sowed the seeds for his later development. As a simple son of the people, he has risen only because of the strength of his brilliant personality and soon will hold the highest office in the Reich.
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/adolfhitler-frontsoldat.htm

It is in fact Israel and it's colonial immigration policies that should be the sole inspiration of all rightists worldwide:
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Israeli firm chosen to build protoype of US border wall with Mexico
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Israel Aerospace Industries subsidiary company among eight to develop technology for 2,000 mile-long barrier
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-firm-chosen-to-build-protoype-of-us-border-wall-with-mexico/#gs.g2rlsk

If Germany would have had in place the immigration policies most rightists advocate for today Hitler would never have risen to be the Fuhrer of the Third Reich and Bolshevism would have swallowed Europe whole.

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You don't find it odd that today's right-wingers are using Marxist terminology?
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Hitler speaks on the plight of the Palestinians and of USA and British hypocrisy 1939
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x309bue

Hitler Youth Palestine:
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Title: Yahweh, Tribal g-d of The West, The NWO, British Israelism, and Christian Identity
Post by: guest5 on October 01, 2020, 09:28:26 pm
British Israelism:
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British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudoarchaeological belief that the people of the British Isles are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel.[1] With roots in the 16th century, British Israelism was inspired by several 19th century English writings such as John Wilson's 1840 Our Israelitish Origin.[2] Numerous British Israelite organisations were set up throughout the British Empire as well as in America from the 1870s onwards; a number of these organisations are independently active as of the early 21st century. In America, the idea gave rise to the Christian Identity movement.
The central tenets of British Israelism have been refuted by evidence from modern archaeological,[3] ethnological,[4] genetic,[citation needed] and linguistic research.[5][6]:33–34

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By 1886, the "Anglo-Israel Association" had 27 affiliated groups throughout Britain.[9]:9 Hine later departed for the United States, where he promoted the movement.[14]:56 [7]:176

The 1906 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia stated that British Israelism's adherents "are said to number 2,000,000 in England and the United States",[17] an unreliable figure if association membership and journal subscription numbers are any guide; the number of passive Protestant sympathisers is almost impossible to determine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

See also: Balfour Declaration
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The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
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Christian Identity (also known as Identity Christianity)[1] is a racist,[2] anti-Semitic,[2] and white supremacist interpretation of Christianity which holds the view that only Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Nordic, Aryan people and those of kindred blood are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and hence the descendants of the ancient Israelites.

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The Christian Identity movement emerged in the United States in the 1920s and 1930s as an offshoot of British Israelism.[1][6] The idea that "lower races" are mentioned in the Bible (in contrast to Aryans) was posited in the 1905 book Theozoology; or The Science of the Sodomite Apelings and the Divine Electron by Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels, a volkisch writer seen by many historians as a major influence on Nazism.[citation needed] Adolf Hitler, however, did not subscribe to the belief that the Israelites of the Bible were Aryans; in a speech he gave in Munich in 1920 titled "Why We Are Anti-Semites", he referred to and disparaged Abraham as racially Jewish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

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The Phineas Priesthood, also called Phineas Priests, are American domestic terrorists who follow the ideology which was set forth in the 1990 book, Vigilantes of Christendom: The Story of the Phineas Priesthood by Richard Kelly Hoskins.[1]

The Phineas Priests are not an organization, and they have no discernible leadership or institutional structure. For ideological adherents, a "Phineas Priest" is someone who commits a "Phineas action" - this means they follow the example of Phineas, a Hebrew man who, according to the Old Testament, was rewarded by God for killing an interfaith couple.The term "Phineas action" is broadly used by white supremacists, not only as a term for murders of interracial couples, but also as a term for attacks on Jewish people, members of other non-white ethnic groups, "multiculturalists," and anyone else who they consider their enemy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Priesthood
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Gotta love that Abraham though huh!?  ;D

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Then Yahweh said to Abraham: Calm down bro, it was only a joke. Besides, that's what non-humans are for! 

hol·o·caust
historical:
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a Jewish sacrificial offering that is burned completely on an altar.
Title: Re: 2020 US presidential election
Post by: guest5 on October 25, 2020, 03:15:48 pm
Why Trump Winning 2020 Is A Doomsday Scenario
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BycYTvfT6E4

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Guest: "How did the German people allow what happened in Germany to happen?"

For one, the German people were much better informed than westerners could ever dream of! These same ridiculous westerners will then go onto argue how the western "deep state" is full of warmongers, and most western states are run by corrupt, lying, politicians, yet will believe everything this same corrupt political class tells them about WWI and WWII. This is the double-think most westerners participate in on a daily basis. This is why to non-westerners with any discernment and truth on their side view most westerners as mind-**** zombies who are destroying this planet. Having said that even this non-westerner who wrote this article falls for western ignorance in regards to WWII, that is a demonstration of how pervasive western double-think and ignorance truly is, if nothing else:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/ignorance-and-indoctrination-of-westerners-kills-millions/

See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/western-revisionism-of-wwi-and-wwii/

As long as westerners continue to play into this nonsensical and delusional "thinking" they will never be capable of destroying the system that has caused them and the rest of the world SO MUCH suffering and turmoil. They are literally driving themselves insane with double-think.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on October 25, 2020, 03:28:09 pm
How many times did Hitler try and make peace with the west and it's "allied" forces?:
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Westerners and their colonial subjects wanted nothing of Hitler's peace, did they? Neither did Judea!

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See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/secret-societies-and-occult-forces/
http://aryanism.net/politics/national-socialism-and-fascism/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on October 25, 2020, 05:08:16 pm
Westerners love to think of themselves as the 'good guys' who vanquished the evil anti-western Third Reich. Here is another example of western ignorance:
GOP Candidate Exposes Himself As Hitler Youth
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This GOP candidate’s history raises some serious concerns. He’s basically a Hitler youth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCPtEgeLXcc

It only takes one Hitler speech and one Hitler Youth photo to expose John's ignorance and idiocy. John obviously knows nothing about the Hitler Youth, but he likes to, as most other westerners also do, use Hitler's name to make others think he must be a good person because Hitler was clearly evil, everyone knows that right? John will forever be the 'good guy' like all other westerners because the west helped destroy the Third Reich, when in reality westerners have always been the 'bad guys' and one need only research western colonialism to realize this. Western thought and western culture is self-delusion at it's finest and multiplied x100!

Hitler speaks on the plight of the Palestinians and of USA and British hypocrisy 1939
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x309bue

Hitler Youth Palestine:
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Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on October 25, 2020, 07:09:05 pm
My response to the replies to my comment on the above video are suspiciously not showing. Western cowardice, I'm used to it.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: christianbethel on October 31, 2020, 07:13:58 pm
What, so you're talking about WWI/WWII revisionism now? I thought you people hated revisionism.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on November 01, 2020, 01:01:23 am
What, so you're talking about WWI/WWII revisionism now? I thought you people hated revisionism.

Notice the title of this thread reads: "Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII" not "True Left Revisionism of WWI and WWII"....

Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: christianbethel on November 01, 2020, 09:33:08 am
What does that mean?
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on November 01, 2020, 12:09:35 pm
It means western civilization revises it's history, the true-left does not.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: rp on November 18, 2020, 04:07:13 am
Growing up Black in Nazi Germany -Esther Anumu Fordham:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwz7kQtPPW0

Ignore the obnoxious interviewer who tries to get the interviewee to paint Hitler as a racist. If you want to feel good, check out the comments torching him.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: rp on December 04, 2020, 02:03:55 am
Battle of Berlin - Nazi Germany vs Soviet Union:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgHWSJBlnas

The music (composed by Jew Steve Jablonsky) is itself enough to invoke sympathy for the Nazis.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on January 26, 2021, 02:08:19 am
Jesse Owens at the Berlin Olympics in 1936
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Owens won 4 gold medals: 100 meters, 200 meters, long jump and 4 × 100 meter relay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1inifMJ0xio

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Mr Reality
10 months ago
Jesse owens says in his journal that he was never snubbed by hitler, but was congratulated and was treated better than he ever was in america when he came home. he even went as far to say that he was more welcome in Nazi Germany than anywhere in America.

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Jeremy Walker
8 months ago
For shame.
American revisionist history.
“Hitler didn’t snub me; it was our president who snubbed me... The president didn’t even send a telegram.”
- Jesse Owens

Nah, Westerners have only lied about every war except WWI and WWII. Westerners would never lie about WWI and WWII! Never!!!

Cognitive dissonance much Westerner?  :D

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/ignorance-and-indoctrination-of-westerners-kills-millions/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on January 30, 2021, 03:17:46 pm
Putin Opens Archives And Debunks Western Attempts To Rewrite WW2 History & Blame Russia For The War
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Russian President Vladimir Putin told the participants about the archive materials on the pre-history of World War II and invited them to tour a specially organized exhibit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3KiYfr3dfM
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giacomo franzot
4 days ago
USA General George S Patton: "We defeated the wrong enemy."
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It is unknown if Patton ever said these precise words. However, Anthony Cave Brown notes in Bodyguard of Lies Volume II (1975), p. 898, that "Patton was relieved of command of the 3rd Army by Eisenhower just after the end of the war for stating publicly that America had been fighting the wrong enemy— Germany instead of Russia", the accuracy of the book is disputed.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_S._Patton

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Edward Solomon
2 days ago
I really don’t understand what Putin is trying to point out. It is taught in American history studies, that the Munich Agreement definitely made war inevitable. Poland’s reluctance to trust Russian military forces within polish territory was directly a result of the Red Army invasions and territory annexations following the Russian Revolution. Following the historical facts of the occupation of Eastern Poland and subsequent murders, deportations, suppression’s, and terror shows how correct this polish suspicion was. Also the horrible treatment by the Red army during annexation of Baltic and Finish territory. Yes, they called them Republics, but, make no mistake. They were under total Stalin domination.
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Adam T
2 days ago (edited)
6:07 hahaha you mean a pact? What a bullshit. The only pact that was signed was the Ribbentrop-Molotov agreement, including its Secret protocol about mutual invasion on Poland.
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Luis
13 hours ago
They say history is written by the winners, too bad they forgot to burn the evidence.

Katyn - WWII's Forgotten Massacre
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The disturbing story of the Soviet massacre of thousands of Polish officers and intelligentsia at Katyn, Russia in 1940 and the subsequent cover-up and German investigation of the crime scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2djnWw751s&list=TLPQMzAwMTIwMjEDI8xIrVlfOQ&index=2

Hitler, an "anti-Semtic pig"?
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/10/91/4a/10914a0b034ab3a41136bd0bd4b0720c--hitler-quotes-allah-love.jpg)
(https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2014/12/Hitler-hosts-the-Mufti-640x400.jpg)

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Semitic: relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.

Lest we forget:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on February 06, 2021, 06:09:40 pm
Hitler's Arab & Black Soldiers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTaEuaVIFtQ
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on February 07, 2021, 02:59:59 pm
Ahmadinejad An das deutsche Volk [English subtitles] (Ahmadinejad and the German people)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYOIRwIqycg

Iran: Text Of Ahmadinejad's Letter To Bush
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Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (peace be upon Him), the great Messenger of God, feel obliged to respect human rights, present liberalism as a civilization model, announce one's opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and [other] weapons of mass destruction [WMD], make "War [on] Terror" his slogan, and, finally, work toward the establishment of a unified international community -- a community which Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day govern, but, at the same time, have countries attacked; have the lives, reputations, and possessions of people destroyed; and on the slight chance [that there are] criminals in a village, city, or convoy, for example, set ablaze the entire village, city, or convoy?
https://www.rferl.org/a/1068319.html

Ahmadinejad's Letter To Merkel
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I have no intention of arguing about the Holocaust. But, does it not stand to reason that some victorious countries of World War II intended to create an alibi on the basis of which they could continue keeping the defeated nations of World War II indebted to them. Their purpose has been to weaken their morale and their inspiration in order to obstruct their progress and power. In addition to the people of Germany, the peoples of the Middle East have also borne the brunt of the Holocaust. By raising the necessity of settling the survivors of the Holocaust in the land of Palestine, they have created a permanent threat in the Middle East in order to rob the people of the region of the opportunities to achieve progress. — This letter was sent from Ahmadinejad to German Chancellor Angela Merkel in July 2006. Source: Fars News Agency
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

Ahmadinejad: Holocaust Needs Further 'Studies'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI9sPW6_Le0

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flittlegreenfootballs.com%2Fweblog%2Fimg%2Fsergey_romanov%2F2017%2F05%2F22%2Fauschwitz_deesillustration_1_.phone.jpg&hash=f710e43a3e0b87988a2b1ba5b58ba8a135ce46ba)

How Long Does the Entire Cremation Process Take?
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Depending on location, the cremation process can take anywhere from 3-15 business days. Some states have laws requiring a waiting period before a cremation can even take place. The actual cremation can take about 3 hours, and processing the cremated remains takes another 1-2 hours.

(3 hours to cremate a human body in a modern crematorium)

Apparently, most of the deluded westerners who believe they walk in truth cannot even do simple math? Neither can Jews, who constantly remind us of their cognitive abilities on top of this fact. This is how dumb most human-beings truly are, Jews included! Not only are they dumb, they are also EXTREMELY fragile and gullible people! How else do you explain these facts?

It would take 2 to 3 MILLION hours to cremate just a million bodies. There are 8,760 hours in a year. With 100 modern crematoriums running 24/7 it would take 30,000 hours plus to cremate 1 million corpses....

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In addition to Auschwitz and Auschwitz II–Birkenau, Topf & Söhne also built crematoria ovens for Buchenwald, Dachau, Mauthausen-Gusen, Mogilev ghetto, and the Gross-Rosen concentration camp. Out of the five ovens at Dachau concentration camp, four were made by H. Kori and one by Topf & Söhne. In all, Topf built 25 crematoria ovens which had a total of 76 incineration chambers (called 'muffles') for concentration camps. H. Kori built 42 single chamber ovens at various camps.[4]
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The muffles of the concentration camp ovens were smaller than those for civil crematoria, because no space for a coffin was needed, which saved both space and fuel. Prüfer later designed ovens with muffles large enough for multiple bodies to be burned simultaneously. Later, in Topf & Söhne's instructions on using the ovens, they advised adding bodies to the muffles at 20-minute intervals as the previous body burned down. Bodies were often pushed in four, five or even six at once.[11]
???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a2/b1/26/a2b126940b94881f9f969911659a98d6.jpg)
(https://www.zinnedproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/bathriots_Jan28fumigation500-9112583fce71f27195e4b53403e6d2c1cbcec67a-400x310.jpg)

German supply lines halted by Allied bombing
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/2002722107/

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Epidemic typhus has historically occurred during times of war and deprivation. For example, typhus killed millions of prisoners in German Nazi concentration camps during World War II. The deteriorating quality of hygiene in camps such as Auschwitz, Theresienstadt, and Bergen-Belsen created conditions where diseases such as typhus flourished.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic_typhus

If you cannot walk in truth how could you ever lead humanity into a better and brighter future? Answer: you cannot. This is why 80% of the world population which is non-western needs to stop listening to westerners about anything. These people cannot be trusted. They walk in darkness and ignorance and always have! These are NOT good people and they will be judged accordingly by God! Stand-up to bullies it is a duty, even if they have nukes! Never let them make you believe you are inferior to them just because you have brown skin either! Never again!

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/ignorance-and-indoctrination-of-westerners-kills-millions/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on February 10, 2021, 09:08:22 pm
False claim: Hitler quote on controlling people and eroding freedoms
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Update December 10, 2020: Adding paragraph eight to include a passage written by Hitler in reference to Germany in 1918.
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Users on social media have been sharing a quote misattributed to Adolf Hitler on his alleged views on how to control people. Some posts claim the words appeared in Hitler’s book “Mein Kampf”, which outlined the ideology that formed the basis for Nazism and set out his hatred of Jews. This is inaccurate.

As of May 20, 2020, the quote has been shared over 20,940 times on Facebook. Examples are visible  here,  here,  here,  here,  here.

The posts read: “The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed. -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf”

The Leibniz Institute for Contemporary History, a research organization dedicated to the study of German history of the 20th and 21st century (  here  ), confirmed to Reuters these words are misattributed to Hitler. “Whoever invented this quote, it was not Hitler and it has never been written in Mein Kampf”, a spokesperson for the Institute told Reuters on email. “We do not know in which context the author of this post is trying to manipulate a discussion by an invented "Hitler"-quotation,” they added.

Professor Timothy Snyder, a historian at Yale University, also confirmed to Reuters that Hitler’s idea of taking power was very different from what the quote alleges. “Those words do not appear in Mein Kampf, nor do they represent Hitler’s beliefs,” he told Reuters via email. “His idea of taking power was to discredit traditional sources of factuality in favor of a myth of a supposedly innocent nation and its supposedly faultless leader, and to undermine the rule of law by willful violent actions carried out in the name of a race.” (This is Snyder's opinion)

Snyder further explained that Hitler came to power by “exploiting a crisis” and consolidated it by “undermining constitutional institutions of altering them by mixing them with his own racial institution, the SS (Schutzstaffel or the ‘political soldiers’ of the Nazi Party   bit.ly/2ZobO5B  )”.  According to Snyder, Hitler’s conviction was that Germans would fully support him by “taking them to war”. “He believed that he was giving the German race its freedom by fighting for resources instead of pursuing technology, and by destroying an “enemy” (the Jews),” he said. Snyder also added that those who supported Hitler before he came to power “glorified weapons and opposed what they called the ‘system’, by which they meant parliamentary democracy”.

According to Snopes, the quotation in the claim and its misattribution to Hitler and Mein Kampf was “virtually non-existent until 2014”, when it appeared in the book “Willfully Ignorant” (  bit.ly/2Zlgzg8  ) as a heading to one of the chapters of the fictional novel by American writer Pat Miller (here).

At the start of Mein Kampf’s Chapter 15 – The Right to Self Defense, Hitler made a similar statement to that in the social media claims (beginning with “A shrewd conqueror will always enforce his exactions on the conquered only by stages”). This was in reference to his disagreement over Germany’s new democratic republic following World War One’s Armistice in 1918 and not reflecting his own policy preferences as a leader.

Some iterations of the claim (visible  here) include photo that is not of Adolf Hitler but a photoshopped image of former British Prime Minister David Cameron.

Users are resharing this false quote amidst weeks of lockdown and social isolation worldwide to prevent the spread of the new coronavirus (here), which has been met with protests and defiance by some Americans (  here,  here).
VERDICT

False. This quote is incorrectly attributed to Adolf Hitler and historians say the ideas are not representative of his beliefs. A similar, not identical, passage can be found in Mein Kampf in reference to Germany’s post-World War One policies, not Hitler’s own preferences.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts   here.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-hitler-freedom/false-claim-hitler-quote-on-controlling-people-and-eroding-freedoms-idUSKBN22X1W5

It is so refreshing in this world when people can put aside their biases and assumptions and stick to the facts. How are we ever supposed to make it to where we are meant to go if we cannot walk in truth? THAT is what the absolute truth is about, not false pride and false world views. If your worldview is based on inaccuracies you cannot ever get to where you would like to go....

Is Snyder's opinion correct?

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If the government is driving a nationality to its destruction, the rebellion of every member of that people is not merely a right, but a duty. Whether or not this condition exists is not shown by theoretical stories, but it is shown when force is used against the people and in the success of effort to suppress the nationality. Of course, every governing power claims their responsibility is to uphold the authority of the state no matter how badly they have abused that authority, even though it has betrayed the interests of a nationality a thousand times over. In fighting such a power and in winning freedom or independence, the peoples’ instinct for self-preservation will have to use the same weapon used by its adversary. That is to say the battle will be carried on by “legal” means as long as the power which is being overthrown also uses legal methods, but the
insurgents should not hesitate to use illegal means if the oppressor employs them. Never forget that the highest purpose of man’s existence is the preservation of his own kind and not the maintenance of a state or government. The question of legality is secondary if the survival of the race is at stake and they may be pushed aside or destroyed. Even though the methods used by the ruling power are a thousand times “legal”, the self-preservation of the oppressed is always the most noble justification for a struggle using any and every weapon. The truth of this statement can be seen by anyone, and this earth’s history shows tremendous examples in the wars of independence against inward or outward enslavement of peoples.

The law of humanity is above the law of the state. However, if a people are defeated in their struggle for human rights, this means those people are not favored on the scale of Fate and they are not slated to remain on this world. The world will not be possessed by those who are weak-willed.

Using Austria as a clear and striking example, it is easy to see how a tyranny can wrap itself up in so-called “legality”. The legal power of the state once rested with the anti-German foundation of the Parliament with its non-German majority and on the equally anti-German ruling House. These elements embodied the entire authority of the state. Any attempt to change the German-Austrian people through these groups would have been nonsense. Consequently, our admirers of the “legal” way as the only “permissible” one, and those admirers of the state’s authority itself were bound to think that all resistance must be abandoned because it could not be carried on by legal means. — Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg. 64

It would be interesting to know what Snyder makes of the American Revolution wouldn't it? Whose side do you think Hitler would have been on in that conflict?
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on February 13, 2021, 09:13:13 pm
Putin Won’t Have It! WWII Was West’s Fault! Hitler Was Created and Pushed to Attack Russia!
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Vladimir Putin: “There's nothing good about totalitarianism. But putting the Soviet Union on the same level as fascist Germany is as cynical as can be."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rim2aTobAg

Reminder: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/

Putin is full of it. Russia is part of Western civilization and always has been! Hitler was anti-Western!!!

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/german-colonial-empire/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: rp on February 14, 2021, 12:32:40 pm
Allied leaders were anti-Nazi, not anti-racist:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/04/29/allied-leaders-were-anti-nazi-not-anti-racist-were-now-paying-price-their-failure/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on February 15, 2021, 02:04:40 pm
Hitler Speaks on the plight of Sudeten Germans and the hypocrisy of the democratic nations
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Adolf Hitler speaks about the plight of the Sudeten Germans in Czechoslovakia and the total hypocrisy of the democratic nations in their condemnations of Germany, and in their failure to intervene on behalf of the abused ethnic Germans in the Sudetenland. He compares them to the "defenceless Palestinians" who are even then being abused while under British authority and he states that the Sudetens are not defenceless, will not suffer their fate, and that the German Reich will do what is necessary to relieve their suffering (12-9-1938).
https://www.altcensored.com/watch?v=WppUD9IpODU

Adolf Hitler’s Address on the Sudeten Germans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym8led_1ZS4
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on February 18, 2021, 07:59:41 pm
(No, the following images are not satirical pieces).

(https://wearswar.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/daseqhkvqaakshg-large.jpg?w=616)

(https://codoh.com/media/files/images/vuedh4_371.jpg)

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:20 pm)
There seems to be some form of mental illness at work in those that push this bizarre nonsense. It's as if they wish it were true and revel in their invented misery.

Do you think?

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Stalag (Hebrew: סטאלג‎) was a short-lived genre of Nazi exploitation Holocaust pornography in Israel that flourished in the 1950s and early 1960s, and stopped after the time of the Eichmann Trial, because of a ban by the Israeli government.[1] These books did not include Jews to avoid taboos. They are no longer available for a reading today in terms of traditional publication, although the advent of the Internet has allowed for peer-to-peer file sharing.

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Purported to be translations of English-language books by prisoners in concentration camps, these books were highly pornographic accounts of imprisonment, generally of Allied soldiers, sexual brutalization by female SS guards (or in some cases by Imperial Japanese women), and the prisoners' eventual revenge, which usually consisted of the **** and murder of their tormentors.[2] The books, with titles like I Was Colonel Schultz's Private ****, were especially popular among adolescent boys, often the children of concentration camp survivors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalag_fiction
(https://frame.land/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/stalag-cover-2.jpg)

Nothing to see here folks! Carry on! This is all perfectly normal! Oh! And never forget, it's always been everyone else's fault to why Jews are treated they way they are by the rest of humanity throughout human history! Jewish behavior has nothing to do with this at all!!!

Has any other group of people ever been expelled from countries as many times as Jews? I bet you cannot find a group of people you have even been expelled a tenth as many times as Jews have?

Expulsions and exoduses of Jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Expulsion_judios-en.svg/1280px-Expulsion_judios-en.svg.png)
Expulsions of Jews in Europe from 1100 to 1600
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: christianbethel on March 19, 2021, 03:18:03 pm
I hope this thread delves into the true causes and reasons behind the Invasion of Poland. Churchill, Lord Halifax, and Stalin all lured Hitler into a trap which he tragically sprung.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Dazhbog on March 19, 2021, 07:14:51 pm
I hope this thread delves into the true causes and reasons behind the Invasion of Poland. Churchill, Lord Halifax, and Stalin all lured Hitler into a trap which he tragically sprung.

Are you implying that Hitler should have simply looked the other way while Poland was slaughtering its German, Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian minorities, as well as training Zionist paramilitaries?
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on April 05, 2021, 06:25:38 pm
The Rhine Meadows Camps - What Really Happened?
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The Rhine Meadows Camps are a controversial topic, but the truth of what happened is easily established.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icFKdMw7nT8
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on April 06, 2021, 06:39:26 pm
The Chinese Wehrmacht Panzer Commander: Chiang Wei-kuo
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When the Wehrmacht rolled into Austria in 1938 during the Anschluss, there was one officer commanding a Panzer regiment that stood out. He wasn't a German, and frankly, wasn't even European. Chiang Wei-kuo was the son of China's generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, received military education in Bavaria, and even commanded a Panzer regiment as Germany annexed their southern neighbour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF-7OpFlQOg
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on April 10, 2021, 02:29:52 am
Waffen-SS: Elite or Mass-Army?
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Waffen-SS divisions are often portrayed as an elite formations, yet, this view misses that the Waffen-SS had a large amount of divisions with very different combat records. This video takes a closer look at the Waffen-SS based on academic sources and will also explain why many statements of the Waffen-SS divisions are just wrong, since they don't account for the heterogeneity of the various divisions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4RveXKfrIk
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on April 11, 2021, 03:06:34 pm
Lance-Corporal Hitler - WW1 Trench Runner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJQQnm-WEFc

Hitler clearly was no coward nor was he a terrible artist.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: rp on May 12, 2021, 08:08:34 pm
Battle of Berlin (Soviet untermenschen take Berlin):
https://youtu.be/SgHWSJBlnas

On a side note what do you think of the BGM?
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on May 12, 2021, 10:06:31 pm
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On a side note what do you think of the BGM?

Eh, personally I'm more of a hip-hop, trip-hop, and EDM fan....

I always felt this song in particular would go great with a NSDAP film purely for it's lyrics alone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nxWP9BhI7w

Ohh, can't anybody see
We've got a war to fight
Never found our way
Regardless of what they say

How can it feel, this wrong
From this moment
How can it feel, this wrong

Storm in the morning light
I feel
No more can I say
Frozen to myself

I got nobody on my side
And surely that ain't right
Surely that ain't right

Ohh, can't anybody see
We've got a war to fight
Never found our way
Regardless of what they say

How can it feel, this wrong
From this moment
How can it feel, this wrong

How can it feel, this wrong
From this moment
How can it feel, this wrong

Ohh, can't anybody see
We've got a war to fight
Never found our way
Regardless of what they say

How can it feel, this wrong
From this moment
How can it feel, this wrong
 
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Dazhbog on May 16, 2021, 06:42:43 am
On a side note what do you think of the BGM?

The first 40 seconds are okay, though I would have still preferred that part to be played on synthesizers rather than by a real life string section. Afterwards, this typical Western grandiosity sets in, if somewhat more restrained than in the pieces discussed in the "Birth of Civilization..."-thread.

I think the BGM does a swell job depicting the Battle of Berlin from an Allied point of view. The pompousness of the composition accurately captures the sense of self-aggrandizement with which Western subhumans reflect on their triumphs over us.

I guess some of the melodies are supposed to give of a more melancholic vibe, maybe to commemorate the "losses" it took to achieve this "great victory". This fails miserably, however, as even in these moments the score never drops its pretentiousness. Of course, this very fact makes them an entirely fitting tribute to the Allied henchman rightfully sent to hell by our army.

Scoring this emotionally devastating footage of our empire in ruins, its capital crawling with the subhuman Turanian hordes, our soldiers taken POW and our people desperately sifting through the charred remains of their livelihoods (as our people in Palestine are currently doing once again...) from our point of view, I suggest one of the following pieces:

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Portishead - Roads

Love it, thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on May 21, 2021, 01:23:50 am
One thing that is always taught about WWII is the German "territorial aggression", "Lebensraum", etc. But not too long ago I learned Poland had its own version of "Lebensraum".

Immediately after receiving independence, Poland went to war with the USSR in order to gain more territory!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War

March 1919, a month after the beginning of the war (and only a few months after receiving independence!):
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/PBW_March_1919.svg/1280px-PBW_March_1919.svg.png)

June 1920, Poland's approximate furthest advance eastward:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/PBW_June_1920.png/1280px-PBW_June_1920.png)


Hmm..
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At the height of the Polish–Soviet conflict, Jews were subjected to antisemitic violence by Polish forces, who considered them a potential threat and often accused of supporting the Bolsheviks.[84][85] During the Battle of Warsaw, the Polish authorities interned Jewish soldiers and volunteers and sent them to an internment camp.[86][87]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War

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In 1919, Russian Jews were caught in the middle of a civil war, and became the victims of warring Red and White Russian, Ukrainian and Polish forces, among others, resulting in the loss of an estimated 100,000 Jewish lives.[16] White Russian troops led by Denikin staged pogroms against Jews in practically every town he captured.[17] In Ukraine at this time, murders of Jews took place on an unprecedented scale, second only to the Holocaust years of World War II.[18]
[...]
However, reports of these incidents caused the United States to send a commission led by Henry Morgenthau, Sr. and Sir Stuart M. Samuel to investigate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_of_the_Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War

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Józef Piłsudski, de facto leader of Poland from 1918 until his death in 1935 (serving as commander of the military, Prime Minister, and later military dictator), and Józef Beck (foreign policy minister of Poland in the 1930s) both wanted to recreate the Polish-Lithuanian empire, break Russia/the USSR up along ethnic lines, and even go so far as to create a large federation of central European powers (with Poland in the lead) in order to make Poland the dominant power in Europe.

The project of Polish territorial domination was called Intermarium, while the geopolitical plan to destabilize Russia/USSR and other powers via promoting ethno-tribalism within their borders was called Prometheism.

The initial plan:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Intermarium_Polish-Lithuanian_Commonwealth.png)

Which quickly expanded:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Intermarium.png)

And expanded even further!!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Intermarium_revised.png)

That's more territory than those wacky Nazis took during their "plan for global domination". How would this period in Polish history have been taught in schools if Poland lost the war???


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Prospectively a federation[1][2][3][4][5] of Central and Eastern European countries, the post-World War I Intermarium plan pursued by Polish leader and former political prisoner of the Russian Empire, Józef Piłsudski (1867–1935), sought to recruit to the proposed federation the Baltic states (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia), Finland,[6] Belarus, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia.[7][8]
[...]
Intermarium was, however, perceived by some Lithuanians as a threat to their newly established independence, and by some Ukrainians as a threat to their aspirations for independence,
[...]
Józef Piłsudski's strategic goal was to resurrect an updated, democratic form of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, while working for the disintegration of the Russian Empire, and later the Soviet Union, into its ethnic constituents.[29] (The latter was his Prometheist project.)[29] Piłsudski saw an Intermarium federation as a counterweight to Russian and German imperialism.[30][31]
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The Lithuanians,[35][37] who had re-established their independence in 1918, were unwilling to join; the Ukrainians, similarly seeking independence,[19] likewise feared that Poland might again subjugate them;[35] and the Belarusians, who had little national consciousness and were mostly Russophiles, were similarly not interested either in independence or in Piłsudski's proposals of union.[35] The chances for Piłsudski's scheme were not enhanced by a series of post-World War I wars and border conflicts between Poland and its neighbors in disputed territories—the Polish-Soviet War, the Polish–Lithuanian War, the Polish–Ukrainian War, and border conflicts between Poland and Czechoslovakia.

Piłsudski's concept was opposed within Poland itself, where National Democracy leader Roman Dmowski[38][39] argued for an ethnically homogeneous Poland in which minorities would be Polonized.[40][41] Many Polish politicians, including Dmowski, opposed the idea of a multiethnic federation, preferring instead to work for a unitary Polish nation-state.[39] Sanford has described Piłsudski's policies after his resumption of power in 1926 as similarly focusing on the Polonization of the country's Eastern Slavic minorities and on the centralization of power.[33]

While some scholars accept at face value the democratic principles claimed by Piłsudski for his federative plan,[42] others view such claims with skepticism, pointing out a coup d'état in 1926 when Piłsudski assumed nearly dictatorial powers.[13][43] In particular, his project is viewed unfavorably by most Ukrainian historians, with Oleksandr Derhachov arguing that the federation would have created a greater Poland in which the interests of non-Poles, especially Ukrainians, would have received short shrift.[15]
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He did not hesitate to use military force to expand Poland's borders to Galicia and Volhynia, crushing a Ukrainian attempt at self-determination in disputed territories east of the Bug River which contained a substantial Polish presence[46] (a Polish majority mainly in cities such as Lwów, surrounded by a rural Ukrainian majority).

Speaking of Poland's future frontiers, Piłsudski said: "All that we can gain in the west depends on the Entente—on the extent to which it may wish to squeeze Germany," while in the east "there are doors that open and close, and it depends on who forces them open and how far."[47] In the eastern chaos, the Polish forces set out to expand as far as feasible. On the other hand, Poland had no interest in joining the western intervention in the Russian Civil War[46] or in conquering Russia itself.[48]
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Piłsudski died in 1935. A later, much reduced version of his concept was attempted by interwar Polish Foreign Minister Józef Beck, a Piłsudski protégé. His proposal, during the late 1930s, of a "Third Europe"—an alliance of Poland, Romania and Hungary—gained little ground before World War II supervened.[49]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium

"Third Europe"? Wow, what does that remind you of? You really can't make this up.

The Polish government-in-exile continued this plan during WWII, and the V4 in many ways is a present-day attempt revive it, which is noted on the Wiki page:

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The concept of a "Central [and Eastern] European Union"— a triangular geopolitical entity anchored in the Baltic, Black, and Adriatic or Aegean Seas—was revived during World War II in Władysław Sikorski's Polish Government in Exile.
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On 12 May 2011, the Visegrád Group countries (Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary) announced the formation of a Visegrád Battlegroup under Poland's command. The battlegroup was in place by 2016 as an independent force, not part of the NATO command. In addition, starting in 2013, the four countries were to begin joint military exercises under the auspices of the NATO Response Force. Some scholars saw this as a first step toward close Central European regional cooperation.[56]

On 6 August 2015, Polish President Andrzej Duda, in his inaugural address, announced plans to build a regional alliance of Central European states, modeled on the Intermarium concept.[57][58][59] In 2016 the Three Seas Initiative held an initial summit meeting in Dubrovnik, Croatia.[60] The Three Seas Initiative has 12 member states along a north–south axis from the Baltic Sea to the Adriatic Sea and the Black Sea: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium#World_War_II_and_since

This is the future V4:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Three_Seas_Initiative.svg/600px-Three_Seas_Initiative.svg.png)

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The current initiative is influenced by the Polish interwar Intermarium concept. The modern Three Seas Initiative was launched in 2015 by Polish President Andrzej Duda and Croatian President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović.[3] It held its first summit in Dubrovnik (Croatia) on 25–26 August 2016. The two-day event ended with a declaration of co-operation in economic matters, particularly in the field of energy as well as transport and communications infrastructure.[2]
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Perception

Czech Republic
The Three Seas Initiative was at the beginning perceived by local experts and diplomats in the Czech Republic rather negatively. It was seen as a Polish attempt to create its sphere of influence (similar to the historical perception of Intermarium). Further fears were related to a possibility of deepening the East-West division in the EU and exclusion of Germany. A long term Czech objection is that there should be no competing geopolitical project in the region that would weaken the EU. Some of those objections have been partially addressed lately also due to a good experience with cooperation on infrastructure projects in the Visegrad group.[34]

Finland
The populist Finns Party has advocated for Finland to join the initiative.[35]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Seas_Initiative


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Prometheism or Prometheanism (Polish: Prometeizm) was a political project initiated by Józef Piłsudski, statesman of the Second Polish Republic from 1918 to 1935. Its aim was to weaken the Russian Empire and its successor states, including the Soviet Union, by supporting nationalist independence movements among the major non-Russian peoples that lived within the borders of Russia and the Soviet Union.[1]

Between the World Wars, Prometheism and Piłsudski's other concept, of an "Intermarium federation", constituted two complementary geopolitical strategies for him and for some of his political heirs.[2]
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A brief history of Poland's Promethean endeavor was set down on February 12, 1940, by Edmund Charaszkiewicz, a Polish military intelligence officer whose responsibilities from 1927 until the outbreak of World War II in Europe in September 1939 had included the coordination of Poland's Promethean program. Charaszkiewicz wrote his paper in Paris after escaping from a Poland overrun by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.[4]

    The creator and soul of the Promethean concept [wrote Charaszkiewicz] was Marshal Piłsudski, who as early as 1904, in a memorandum to the Japanese government, pointed out the need to employ, in the struggle against Russia, the numerous non-Russian nations that inhabited the basins of the Baltic, Black and Caspian Seas, and emphasized that the Polish nation, by virtue of its history, love of freedom, and uncompromising stance toward [the three empires that had partitioned Poland out of political existence at the end of the 18th century] would, in that struggle, doubtless take a leading place and help work the emancipation of other nations oppressed by Russia.[5]

A key excerpt from Piłsudski's 1904 memorandum declared:

    Poland's strength and importance among the constituent parts of the Russian state embolden us to set ourselves the political goal of breaking up the Russian state into its main constituents and emancipating the countries that have been forcibly incorporated into that empire. We regard this not only as the fulfilment of our country's cultural strivings for independent existence, but also as a guarantee of that existence, since a Russia divested of her conquests will be sufficiently weakened that she will cease to be a formidable and dangerous neighbor.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheism
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on May 21, 2021, 01:24:10 am
Further information on Piłsudski's life and views. Allegedly he asked France to join him in launching a war with Germany immediately after Hitler came to power! If Germany had won WWII, there is no doubt history would have been framed very differently, and Germany's actions toward Poland would have been framed as a retaliation against Piłsudski's aggression towards Germany and his aggressive geopolitical aims. Hitler even offered Poland an alliance multiple times, yet Piłsudski refused it, apparently still believing Poland could rise to rival both Germany and the USSR.

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Józef Klemens Piłsudski (5 December 1867 – 12 May 1935) was a Polish statesman who served as the Chief of State (1918–1922) and First Marshal of Poland (from 1920). He was considered the de facto leader (1926–35) of the Second Polish Republic as the Minister of Military Affairs. After World War I, he held great power in Polish politics and was a distinguished figure on the international scene.[1] He is viewed as a father of the Second Polish Republic re-established in 1918
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After the Polish Constitution of March 1921 severely limited the powers of the presidency intentionally, to prevent a President Piłsudski from waging war. He declined to run for the office.[20]
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Two days later, on 16 December 1922, Narutowicz was shot dead by a right-wing painter and art critic, Eligiusz Niewiadomski, who had originally wanted to kill Piłsudski but had changed his target, influenced by National Democrat anti-Narutowicz propaganda.[105]

For Piłsudski, that was a major shock, which shook his belief that Poland could function as a democracy[106] and made him support government by a strong hand.[107]
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When the Chjeno-Piast coalition, which Piłsudski had strongly criticized, formed a new government,[20] on 12–14 May 1926, Piłsudski returned to power in a coup d'état (the May Coup), supported by the Polish Socialist Party, Liberation, the Peasant Party and even the Polish Communist Party.[113] Piłsudski had hoped for a bloodless coup, but the government had refused to back down;[114] 215 soldiers and 164 civilians had been killed, and over 900 persons had been wounded.[115]
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A supporter of the Franco-Polish Military Alliance and the Polish–Romanian alliance, part of the Little Entente, Piłsudski was disappointed by the policy of appeasement pursued by the French and British governments, evident in their signing of the Locarno Treaties.[144][147][148] The Locarno treaties were intended by the British government to ensure a peaceful handover the territories claimed by Germany such as the Sudetenland, the Polish Corridor, and the Free City of Danzig (modern Gdańsk, Poland) by improving Franco-German relations to such extent that France would dissolve its alliances in eastern Europe.[149] Piłsudski felt a profound sense of abandonment by France after Locarno. Piłsudski, therefore, aimed also to maintain good relations with the Soviet Union and Germany.

A recurring fear of Piłsudski was that France would reach an agreement with Germany at the expense of Poland.
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In June 1932, just before the Lausanne Conference opened, Piłsudski heard (correct) reports that the new German chancellor Franz von Papen was about to make an offer for a Franco-German alliance to the French Premier Édouard Herriot which would be at the expense of Poland.[152] In response Piłsudski sent the destroyer ORP Wicher into the harbour of the Free City of Danzig (modern Gdańsk).[152] Through the issue was ostensibly about access rights for the Polish Navy in Danzig, the real purpose of sending Wircher was as a way to warn Herriot not to take Poland for granted as he talked to Papen.[152] The ensuring Danzig crisis sent the desired message to the French and improved the Polish Navy's access rights to Danzig.[152]
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After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany in January 1933, Piłsudski is rumored to have proposed to France a preventive war against Germany. It has been argued that Piłsudski may have been sounding out France regarding possible joint military action against Germany.[158]
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Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the Soviet Union, but Piłsudski declined, instead seeking precious time to prepare for a potential war with either Germany or the Soviet Union.

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After the fall of communism and the 1991 disintegration of the Soviet Union, Piłsudski once again came to be publicly acknowledged as a Polish national hero.[187] On the sixtieth anniversary of his death, on 12 May 1995, Poland's Sejm adopted a resolution: "Józef Piłsudski will remain, in our nation's memory, the founder of its independence and the victorious leader who fended off a foreign assault that threatened the whole of Europe and its civilization. Józef Piłsudski served his country well and has entered our history forever."[188]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Pi%C5%82sudski


Józef Beck supported many of Hitler's requests to refine post-WWI borders. Poland even invaded Czechoslovakia and attempted to distinigrate it by promoting Slovak indpendence. But, of course, since the Allies won WWII you will only hear about Germany doing such things, not Poland.

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Józef Beck (4 October 1894 – 5 June 1944) was a Polish statesman who served the Second Republic of Poland as a diplomat and military officer, and was a close associate of Józef Piłsudski. Beck is most famous for being Polish foreign minister in the 1930s, when he largely set Polish foreign policy.

He tried to fulfill Piłsudski's dream of making Poland the leader of a regional coalition, but he was widely disliked and distrusted by other governments.[1][2] He was involved in territorial disputes with Lithuania and Czechoslovakia.
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He explored the possibility of realizing Piłsudski's concept of Międzymorze ("Between-seas"): a federation of central and eastern European countries stretching from the Baltic to the Black Seas, indeed in later variants, from the Arctic Ocean to the Mediterranean. Such a coalition between Germany in the west and the Soviet Union in the east might have been strong enough to deter both from military intervention. Beck realised that for the immediate future there was no realistic chance of building such a force and so he was prepared to settle in 1937–38 for a diplomatic bloc referred to as a "Third Europe," led by Poland, which might become the nucleus of a Międzymorze federation. Beck's "Third Europe" diplomatic concept comprised a bloc of Poland, Italy, Yugoslavia, Hungary and Romania.[13]
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From 1935 to 1939, Beck supported German claims against Czechoslovakia by citing purported mistreatment of Polish minorities in Czechoslovakia.[citation needed] In 1937, he began a diplomatic offensive in favour of Slovak independence.[15] He supported Hitler's position in the Munich agreement in 1938. Within days, Poland invaded and seized Teschen, an industrial district of Czechoslovakia with 240,000 people, many of them ethnic Poles.[15][16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Beck
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on May 21, 2021, 02:07:07 am
Lastly, let's not forget settler-colonialism in the Russian Empire and USSR, and their respective geopolitical and territorial ambitions.

The USSR's territorial goals during their invasion of Poland (of course, the Allies never declared war on the USSR for their invasion, and they let the USSR keep their conquered territory after WWII!) was basically to take the Intermarium region.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Ribbentrop-Molotov.svg/1024px-Ribbentrop-Molotov.svg.png)

Which is territory the Russian Empire lost to the Central Powers after WWI:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Map_Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk-en.jpg)

Yet all we hear about is Germany's territorial ambitions in WWII... To this day, WWII veterans and their descendants from the Baltic states who fought the USSR alongside Germany would disagree with how this is framed:
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The pact was terminated on 22 June 1941, when Germany launched Operation Barbarossa and invaded the Soviet Union, in pursuit of the ideological goal of Lebensraum.[13] After the war, Ribbentrop was convicted of war crimes at the Nuremberg trials and executed. Molotov died in 1986.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact


The USSR was kicked out of the league of nations for their invasion of Finland, which rarely ever receives mentions in standard history classes:
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On December 14, 1939, the League of Nations, the international peacekeeping organization formed at the end of World War I, expels the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in response to the Soviets’ invasion of Finland on November 30.
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Germany and Japan voluntarily withdrew from the League in 1933, and Italy left in 1937. The true imperial designs of the Soviet Union soon became apparent with its occupation of eastern Poland in September of 1939, ostensibly with the intention of protecting Russian “blood brothers,” Ukrainians and Byelorussians, who were supposedly menaced by the Poles. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were then terrorized into signing “mutual assistance” pacts, primarily one-sided agreements that gave the USSR air and naval bases in those countries. But the invasion of Finland, where no provocation or pact could credibly be adduced to justify the aggression, resulted in worldwide reaction.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ussr-expelled-from-the-league-of-nations

The Soviets were allowed to keep the territory they took from Finland:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Finnish_areas_ceded_in_1940.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War


You will always hear of Germany's non-existent aim of "global domination" during WWII. You will not as frequently hear about how, you know, the USSR was a communist state advocating for global communist revolutions...

Why do history textbooks focus on some fantasy of Germany controlling the entire globe when the communist bloc led by the USSR literally had this.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Soviet_empire_1960.png/480px-Soviet_empire_1960.png)

There were even concerns that France would fall to communism after WWII. The high-ranking French general, and later high-ranking NATO commander, Alphonse Juin confided to American General Patton that he was deeply disappointed WWII had destroyed Germany, which Juin viewed as the only nation which soundly opposed the USSR.

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"At dinner with [French] General [Alphonse] Juin, the remarkable statement was made by him to me that "It is indeed unfortunate, my General, that the English and Americans have destroyed in Europe the only sound country--and I do not mean France--and therefore the road is now open for the advent of Russian Communism.""[1]

[1] Patton's diary. Entry August 18, 1945.

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After the collapse of the Chinese Empire in 1911, Tuva gained independence. After they became anti-USSR, the USSR organized a coup and later annexed the nation:
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The 1929 Tuvan coup d'état took place in the Tuvan People's Republic. It occurred in January after the Tuvan government under Prime Minister Donduk Kuular attempted to implement nationalist, religious and anti-Soviet policies, including making Tibetan Buddhism the official religion. With support from the Soviet Union, five Tuvan youths successfully overthrew the government, and one of them, Salchak Toka, became supreme ruler as General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Tuvan People's Revolutionary Party. They quickly reversed Donduk's policies and brought the republic closer to the Soviet Union. The Tuvan People's Republic later joined the Soviet Union in 1944.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Tuvan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Mongolia also gained independence. The Russian general Roman von Ungern-Sternberg led the rebel forces to secure Mongolian independence. Soon after, Bolshevik forces overthrew his government and executed him.
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often referred to as Baron Ungern, was an anticommunist general in the Russian Civil War and then an independent warlord who intervened in Mongolia against China. A part of the Russian Empire's Baltic German minority, Ungern was an ultraconservative monarchist who aspired to restore the Russian monarchy after the 1917 Russian Revolutions and to revive the Mongol Empire under the rule of the Bogd Khan. His attraction to Vajrayana Buddhism and his eccentric, often violent, treatment of enemies and his own men earned him the sobriquet "the Mad Baron" or "the Bloody Baron".

In February 1921, at the head of the Asiatic Cavalry Division, Ungern expelled Chinese troops from Mongolia and restored the monarchic power of the Bogd Khan. During his five-month occupation of Outer Mongolia, Ungern imposed order on the capital city, Ikh Khüree (now Ulaanbaatar), by fear, intimidation and brutal violence against his opponents, particularly the Bolsheviks. In June 1921, he travelled to eastern Siberia to support anti-Bolshevik partisan forces and to head off a joint Red Army-Mongolian rebel invasion. That action ultimately led to his defeat and capture two months later. He was taken prisoner by the Red Army and, a month later, was put on trial for "counter-revolution" in Novonikolaevsk. After a six-hour show trial, he was found guilty and on 15 September 1921 he was executed.
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The Bolsheviks started infiltrating Mongolia shortly after the October Revolution, long before they took control of the Russian Transbaikal. In 1921, various Red Army units belonging to Soviet Russia and to the Far Eastern Republic invaded the newly independent Mongolia to defeat Ungern. The forces included the Red Mongolian leader Damdin Sükhbaatar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_von_Ungern-Sternberg

Although Mongolia was never annexed by the USSR, it was firmly a puppet:
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In 1934, Peljidiin Genden visited Moscow and angrily accused Stalin of "Red imperialism". He subsequently died in the Great Purge after being tricked into taking a holiday on the Black Sea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_People's_Republic

The Soviets tried to make Xinjiang a puppet as well, although they expelled the Soviets in 1943.

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Moving on, the Russian Empire and the USSR pursued settler colonialism of ethnic Russians in the Baltic states, Ukraine, and elsewhere.

Map from 2011 showing the percentage of ethnic Russians in the Baltic states. Undoubtedly this was much higher during the Soviet period:
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Julija-Oleinika/publication/288344208/figure/fig1/AS:311379811684352@1451250140701/Percentage-of-ethnic-Russians-in-the-Baltic-states-2011.png)
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Percentage-of-ethnic-Russians-in-the-Baltic-states-2011_fig1_288344208

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/b7/d4/f9b7d4bc88d3324a8946b22291a8b3b9.png)

Briefly searching, I stumbled across some research papers raising the important fact that studies examining colonialism in the USSR are severely lacking:
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This essay works through some of the necessary preliminary questions in thinking about Soviet colonialism in the Baltics. It opens by tracing the prehistory of critical thinking about Soviet colonialism in the 1960s and considers why the topic of Soviet colonialism has not (or not yet) become a dominant way to understand Soviet history. The central question posed by the article is whether one can speak about the Soviet invasions of the Baltic States as ‘colonization’. It proposes that, initially, communist Russia did not in fact seek to colonize the Baltic States and instead ‘occupied’ them; however, this initial period of occupation later developed into a period of a colonial rule.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233431195_The_Problem_of_Soviet_Colonialism_in_the_Baltics
https://www.jstor.org/stable/43212457?seq=1

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Political repressions followed with mass deportations of around 130,000 citizens carried out by the Soviets.[3]:48 The Serov Instructions, "On the Procedure for carrying out the Deportation of Anti-Soviet Elements from Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia", contained detailed procedures and protocols to observe in the deportation of Baltic nationals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_occupation_of_the_Baltic_states_(1940)#Sovietization_of_the_Baltic_states

The USA and many other nations never recognized the official sovereignty of the USSR over the Baltic states. Somehow the USA was staunch enough in its position that it never even recognized that the USSR 'de facto' controlled the Baltic states. But, again, the brief war time occupations by Germany somehow get chapters upon chapters in the textbooks, but I didn't even realize basically the whole world refused to accept the USSR's control over the Baltic states until writing this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_continuity_of_the_Baltic_states

Light blue, orange, and yellow = did not legally recognize Soviet control of the Baltic states. Dark blue = states which never took an official position.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Map_of_non_recogntion_of_the_Baltic_states.png/1024px-Map_of_non_recogntion_of_the_Baltic_states.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_non_recogntion_of_the_Baltic_states.png

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The Welles Declaration was a diplomatic statement issued on July 23, 1940, by Sumner Welles, the acting US Secretary of State, condemning the June 1940 occupation by the Soviet Union of the three Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania) and refusing to recognize their annexation as Soviet republics.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welles_Declaration

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I don't feel like writing a huge analysis on this at the moment, but the type of settler colonialism which happened in the Baltics has also allowed Russia to seize Crimea and start ethnic conflicts in eastern Ukraine today.

For example, this paper seems to put forward the thesis that Russia's recent occupation of Crimea is something that has been long in the making:
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The focus is on Crimea as a settler colony during the first years after the USSR’s collapse. The main argument is that the 1990s conflict in Crimea was mainly around decolonization attempts and resistance by the settler colonial system. Contrary to the analysis of ‘conflicts that did not happen’ it argues that Crimea is a case of a conflict that never stoppedsince the late 18th century. It analyses how settler colonial structures fought for their own preservation in opposition to the forces of decolonization represented by the Ukrainian and Crimean Tatar national movements, maneuvering between the Russian and Ukrainian capitals, which in turn triggered perceptions of Crimean separatism.

A main theme is control over the narrative. Crimean settler colonial institutions maintained their monopoly over ‘the truth’ about the peninsula’s past and present. This dissertation demonstrates how this continued in the 1990s, how Crimean newspapers forged the meaning of ‘Crimean,’ redesigned boundaries of inclusion and exclusion in order to marginalize Ukrainian and Crimean Tatar activists. Another important issue is the role of hybrid institutions including government structures in Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet, both which conducted subversive operations (informational and military) to counter and reduce the growing presence of the Ukrainian state on the peninsula.
https://ir.lib.uwo.ca/etd/7077/


What helped ethnic Russians in the USSR gain more control over Ukraine? The holo-what?

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The Holodomor (Ukrainian: moryty holodom, 'to kill by starvation'),[a][3][4][5] also known as the Terror-Famine[6][7][8] and sometimes referred to as the Great Famine,[9] was a famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The term Holodomor emphasises the famine's man-made and intentional aspects such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs and restriction of population movement. As part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–33 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country, millions of inhabitants of Ukraine, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[10] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine[11] and 15 other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet government.[12]

Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials varied greatly.[13] According to higher estimates, up to 12 million[14] ethnic Ukrainians were said to have perished as a result of the famine. A United Nations joint statement signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7–10 million perished.[15]
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Whether the Holodomor was genocide is still the subject of academic debate,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Depopulation from the famine. It is not clear if this is only deaths, or deaths + people being displaced.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Ukraine_famine_map.png/1024px-Ukraine_famine_map.png)

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Some scholars have classified the famine in Ukraine and famine in Kazakhstan as genocide committed by Joseph Stalin's government,[19][20] targeting ethnic Ukrainians and Kazakhs while other critics dispute the relevance of any ethnic motivation, as is frequently implied by that term, and focus instead on the class dynamics between land-owning peasants (kulaks) with strong political interest in private property, and the ruling Communist Party's fundamental tenets which were diametrically opposed to those interests.[21] In addition to the Kazakh famine of 1919–1922, these events saw Kazakhstan lose more than half of its population within 15 years. The famine made Kazakhs a minority in their own republic. Before the famine, around 60% of the republic's population were Kazakhs, but after the famine, only around 38% of the population were Kazakhs.[22][23]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333

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The Kazakh famine of 1931–1933, also known as the Kazakh catastrophe, Asharshylyk and Zulmat[9] was a famine where 1.5 million (other sources state as many as 2.0–2.3 million[10]) people died in Soviet Kazakhstan, of whom 1.3 million were ethnic Kazakhs; 38% of all Kazakhs died, the highest percentage of any ethnic group killed in the Soviet famine of 1932–33.[3][7] Some historians assume that 42% of the entire Kazakh population died in the famine.[11]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1931%E2%80%931933

What, cattle cars? Nations with rail infrastructure using trains instead of forcing people to just walk?
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The deportation of the Crimean Tatars was the ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide of at least 191,044 Crimean Tatars in 18–20 May 1944 carried out by the Soviet government, ordered by Lavrentiy Beria, head of the Soviet state security and secret police, acting on behalf of Joseph Stalin.[11][12][13][14] Within three days, the NKVD used cattle trains to deport mostly women, children, the elderly, even Communists and members of the Red Army, to mostly the Uzbek SSR, several thousand kilometres away. They were one of the several ethnicities who were encompassed by Stalin's policy of population transfer in the Soviet Union.

The deportation officially was intended as collective punishment for the perceived collaboration of some Crimean Tatars with Nazi Germany; modern sources theorize that the deportation was part of the Soviet plan to gain access to the Dardanelles and acquire territory in Turkey where the Tatars had Turkic ethnic kin.
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In 1956, the new Soviet leader, Nikita Khrushchev, condemned Stalin's policies, including the deportation of various ethnic groups, but did not lift the directive forbidding the return of the Crimean Tatars, despite allowing the right of return for most other deported peoples. They remained in Central Asia for several more decades until the Perestroika era in the late 1980s when 260,000 Crimean Tatars returned to Crimea. Their exile lasted 45 years. The ban on their return was officially declared null and void, and the Supreme Council of Crimea declared on 14 November 1989 that the deportations had been a crime.

By 2004, sufficient numbers of Crimean Tatars had returned to Crimea that they comprised 12 percent of the peninsula's population. Soviet authorities neither assisted their return nor compensated them for the land they lost. The Russian Federation, the successor state of the USSR, did not provide reparations, compensate those deported for lost property, or file legal proceedings against the perpetrators of the forced resettlement. The deportation was a crucial event in the history of the Crimean Tatars and has come to be seen as a symbol of the plight and oppression of smaller ethnic groups by the Soviet Union. On 12 December 2015, the Ukrainian Parliament issued a resolution recognizing this event as genocide and established 18 May as the "Day of Remembrance for the victims of the Crimean Tatar genocide".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars


I keep stumbling across so many articles about things I've never even heard of before, even though I am generally interested in WWII history. Thank you politically-motivated Western revisionist history curriculum for never mentioning any of this.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Karte_Entkulakisierung.png/1024px-Karte_Entkulakisierung.png)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Koreans_in_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Soviet_Greeks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Soviet_Greeks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on May 23, 2021, 06:52:45 pm
Polish propaganda from 1931 celebrating how the percent of ethnic Germans had dramatically decreased in Polish territory. You've probably seen a comparable piece of German propaganda in a history textbook, but never one from an 'Allied' nation.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Nalot_niemczyzny_1910_1931.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nalot_niemczyzny_1910_1931.jpg

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Don't even get me started about the ethnic cleansing of German civilians after WWII by the Allied nations. I learned about this after looking into history myself during a mandatory "Holocaust education unit" in school (yes, it's mandatory to teach this in most grade levels in many US states while education on the extermination of Native Americans is not), and I was just so perplexed as to why this wasn't even mentioned if the entire point of 'educating' us on this part of WWII was to tell us ethnic cleansing was bad.

In school, I wrote a paper on it and became indescribably disgusted when I kept seeing people say these civilians deserved to be ethnically cleansed by the "good guys" in revenge for simply being born into the wrong ethnic group. I think this is when I learned that the ideologies and nations which were classified as the "good guys" in WWII were not considered good because they genuinely had admirable principles, but simply because they won and got to write their own history. They did all the same things they accused Germany of doing, but were able to write their own crimes out of the standard history curriculum.

The chilling fact is that the victorious powers conducted the largest ethnic cleansing in 'European' history:

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With at least 12 million Germans directly involved, possibly 14 million or more, it was the largest movement or transfer of any single ethnic population in European history and the largest among the post-war expulsions in Central and Eastern Europe (which displaced 20 to 31 million people in total).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944–1950)

The following article states the ethnic cleansing of Germans was the largest in world history, although it also suggests conflicts during the partitioning of Pakistan and Bangladesh reached comparable numbers. (Additionally, the destruction of Native Americans, which spanned several centuries, killed tens of millions more people. The Transatlantic slave trade "transferred" over 12 million slaves over multiple centuries as well.).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer


Apparently by their own definitions, the Allies committed the largest war crime of WWII with this ethnic cleansing:
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George Orwell, in his 1946 essay "Politics and the English Language" (written during the World War II evacuation and expulsions in Europe), observed:

    "In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defence of the indefensible. Things... can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of political parties. Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness.... Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is called transfer of population or rectification of frontiers."
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The tide started to turn when the Charter of the Nuremberg Trials of German Nazi leaders declared forced deportation of civilian populations to be both a war crime and a crime against humanity.[4]
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There is now little debate about the general legal status of involuntary population transfers: "Where population transfers used to be accepted as a means to settle ethnic conflict, today, forced population transfers are considered violations of international law."[5]
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Timothy V. Waters argues, in "On the Legal Construction of Ethnic Cleansing," that the expulsions of the ethnic German population east of the Oder-Neisse line the Sudetenland and elsewhere in Eastern Europe without legal redress has set a legal precedent that can permit future ethnic cleansing of other populations under international law.[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer#Changes_in_international_law



...Wait, the reason the "good guys" ethnically cleansed tens of millions of people after WWII was to achieve "ethnically-pure" nations??? Obviously, that is an unacceptable reason to deport and kill civilians. However, ...isn't this motive the exact same thing that Western history textbooks tell us made 'Nazi Germany' a uniquely evil nation? For allegedly doing the exact same thing the Allies did, but on a smaller scale?
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The creation of ethnically homogeneous nation states in Central and Eastern Europe[51] was presented as the key reason for the official decisions of the Potsdam and previous Allied conferences as well as the resulting expulsions.[52] The principle of every nation inhabiting its own nation state gave rise to a series of expulsions and resettlements of Germans, Poles, Ukrainians and others who after the war found themselves outside their supposed home states.[63][53]
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The participants at the Potsdam Conference asserted that expulsions were the only way to prevent ethnic violence. As Winston Churchill expounded in the House of Commons in 1944, "Expulsion is the method which, insofar as we have been able to see, will be the most satisfactory and lasting. There will be no mixture of populations to cause endless trouble... A clean sweep will be made. I am not alarmed by the prospect of disentanglement of populations, not even of these large transferences, which are more possible in modern conditions than they have ever been before".[72]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944–1950)

(That Churchill quote sounds more racist than anything I've heard Hitler say).


To Poland's credit, after Beck died, it seemed the Polish government-in-exile became less ethno-centric in its policies, although the Polish government formed by the USSR was not. In addition, the USSR ethnically cleansed over a million Poles from the eastern parts of Poland that the USSR was allowed to keep.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_population_transfers_(1944%E2%80%931946)

So, who was the original advocate of ethnically cleansing the Germans, you might ask? Ah yes, Churchill.
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The idea to expel the Germans from the annexed territories was proposed by Winston Churchill, in conjunction with the Polish and Czechoslovak exile governments in London at least since 1942.[2][3] In late 1944 the Czechoslovak exile government pressed[citation needed] the Allies to espouse the principle of German population transfers.
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On the other hand, Polish prime minister Tomasz Arciszewski, in an interview for The Sunday Times on 17 December 1944, supported the annexation of Warmia-Masuria, Opole Regency, north-east parts of Lower Silesia (up to the Oder line), and parts of Pomerania (without Szczecin), but he opposed the idea of expulsion. He wanted to naturalize the Germans as Polish citizens and to assimilate them.[4]

Stalin, in concert with other communist leaders, planned to expel all ethnic Germans from east of the Oder and from lands which from May 1945 fell inside the Soviet occupation zones.[5] In 1941 his government had already transported Germans from Crimea to Central Asia.

Between 1944 and 1948, millions of people, including ethnic Germans (Volksdeutsche) and German citizens (Reichsdeutsche), were permanently or temporarily moved from Central and Eastern Europe. By 1950, a total of approximately 12 million[6] Germans had fled or been expelled from east-central Europe into Allied-occupied Germany and Austria. The West German government put the total at 14.6 million,[7] including a million ethnic Germans who had settled in territories conquered by Nazi Germany during World War II, ethnic German migrants to Germany after 1950, and the children born to expelled parents. The largest numbers came from former eastern territories of Germany ceded to the People's Republic of Poland and the Soviet Union (about seven million),[8][9] and from Czechoslovakia (about three million).
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The death toll attributable to the flight and expulsions is disputed, with estimates ranging from 500,000–600,000[14][15] and up to 2 to 2.5 million.[16][17][18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2%80%931950)


More cattle cars. This time for Germans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vertreibung.jpg

And Hungarians being ethnically cleansed from post-war Czechoslovakia. Again, one of the standard anti-Nazi propaganda points is that they were uniquely evil for transporting people to camps in a "mechanized" and "efficient" manner. Who would have guessed that any nation with access to rail networks would have used rail networks to transport people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_people.jpg


...What...? The "good guys" literally implemented a "final solution"? (Successfully!) And its not in the standard history curriculum?
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During the German occupation of Czechoslovakia, the Czech resistance groups demanded the deportation of ethnic Germans from Czechoslovakia. The decision to deport the Germans was adopted by the Czechoslovak Government-in-Exile which, beginning in 1943, sought the support of the Allies for this proposal.[1][2] The final agreement for the expulsion of the German population however was not reached until 2 August 1945 at the end of the Potsdam Conference.

In the months following the end of the war, "wild" expulsions happened from May until August 1945. Czechoslovak President Edvard Beneš on 28 October 1945 called for the "final solution of the German question" (Czech: konečné řešení německé otázky) which would have to be solved by deportation of the ethnic Germans from Czechoslovakia.[3][4]

The expulsions were carried out by order of local authorities, mostly by groups of armed volunteers. However, in some cases it was initiated or pursued with the assistance of the regular army.[5] Several thousand died violently during the expulsion and more died from hunger and illness as a consequence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia

...What, the "good guys" literally put German children in the exact same concentration camps the Germans had been operating under war time conditions?
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According to the German "Society against Expulsion", some Germans were sent to "concentration camps".[46] A 1964 report by the German Red Cross stated that 1,215 "internment camps" were established, as well as 846 forced labour and "disciplinary centres", and 215 prisons, on Czechoslovak territory.
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According to Alfred de Zayas:

    One of the worst camps in post-war Czechoslovakia was the old Nazi concentration camp of Theresienstadt. Conditions under the new Czech administration are described by H. G. Adler, a former Jewish inmate as follows: ... in the majority they were children and juveniles, who had only been locked up because they were Germans. Only because they were Germans...? This sentence sounds frighteningly familiar; only the word 'Jews' had been changed to 'Germans'. [...] The people were abominably fed and maltreated, and they were no better off than one was used to from German concentration camps.[49]

    The civilian internees who survived to be expelled recorded the horrors of months and years of slow starvation and maltreatment in many thousands of affidavits. Allied authorities in the American and British zones were able to investigate several cases, including the notorious concentration camp at České Budějovice in Southern Bohemia. The deputy commander of this camp in the years 1945–6, Václav Hrneček, later fled Czechoslovakia and came to Bavaria where he was recognized by former German inmates of the camp. Hrneček was brought to trial before an American Court of the Allied High Commission for Germany presided by Judge Leo M. Goodman. The Court based an eight-year sentence against Hrneček upon findings that the Budějovice camp was run in a criminal and cruel way, that although there were no gas chambers and no systematic, organized extermination, the camp was a centre of sadism, where human life and human dignity had no meaning.[50]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Germans_from_Czechoslovakia

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The Beneš decrees are associated with the 1945-47 deportation of about 3 million ethnic Germans and Hungarians from Czechoslovakia. The deportation, based on Article 12 of the Potsdam Agreement, was the outcome of negotiations between the Allied Control Council and the Czechoslovak government. The expulsion is considered ethnic cleansing (a term in widespread use since the early 1990s) by a number of historians and legal scholars. The relevant decrees omit any reference to the deportation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene%C5%A1_decrees#Legal_basis_for_expulsions

Recall that Czechoslovakia was created after WWI by the Allies, even though the Sudetenland wanted to remain with Austria and Austria itself wanted to join Germany. Instead, the Allies forbid both the Sudetenland from having "self-determination" and forbid Austria from merging with Germany. This whole situation could have been avoided, but the Allies didn't care.
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Austria-Hungary broke apart at the end of World War I. Late in October 1918, an independent Czechoslovak state, consisting of the lands of the Bohemian kingdom and areas belonging to the Kingdom of Hungary, was proclaimed. The German deputies of Bohemia, Moravia, and Silesia in the Imperial Council (Reichsrat) referred to the Fourteen Points of U.S. President Woodrow Wilson and the right proposed therein to self-determination, and attempted to negotiate the union of the German-speaking territories with the new Republic of German Austria, which itself aimed at joining Weimar Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland#World_War_I_and_its_aftermath

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On 13 November 1918, German-Austria asked Germany to start negotiations of union and on 15 November sent a telegram to President Wilson to support union of Germany and Austria. This was grounded in the view that Austria had never been a nation in the true sense. While the Austrian state had existed in one form or another for over 700 years (dating to the Holy Roman Empire), its only unifying force had been the Habsburgs. Apart from being German-inhabited, these Lands had no common "Austrian" identity. They were Habsburg-ruled lands that had not joined the Prussian-dominated German Empire after the Austrian Empire lost the Austro-Prussian War.

On 12 March 1919, the Constituent Assembly re-confirmed an earlier declaration that German-Austria was a constituent part of the German republic. Pan-Germans and Social Democrats supported the union with Germany, while Christian Socialists were less supportive.

During spring and summer of 1919, unity talk meetings between German and Austrian representatives continued. All this changed after 2 June 1919 when the draft peace treaty with Austria was presented, which demonstrated that the Western Allies were opposed to any union between Germany and Austria.
[...]
Article 88 of the treaty, sometimes called a "pre-Anschluss attempt", stated:

    The independence of Austria is inalienable otherwise than with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations. Consequently Austria undertakes in the absence of the consent of the said Council to abstain from any act which might directly or indirectly or by any means whatsoever compromise her independence, particularly, and until her admission to membership of the League of Nations, by participation in the affairs of another Power.

This clause effectively foreclosed any attempt by Austria to unite with Germany.[5]

Likewise, the Treaty of Versailles, dictating the terms of peace for Germany, forbade any union between Austria and Germany. With these changes and the settling of Austria's frontiers, the era of the First Republic of Austria began.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_German-Austria#Failed_union_with_Germany

By the way, the Allies allowed the Soviets to annex part of Czechoslovakia. So much for  all this hubbub about caring for its borders..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia#Transcarpathian_Ukraine_-_Soviet_Union_(1945-1991)


The "good guys" using armbands to label ethnic-undesirables and forcing them on death marches?
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Shortly after, the Germans were marked with white armbands and became subject to similar restrictions previously directed against the Jews by the Nazis.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brno_death_march

...The "good guys" lynching people and burning their bodies in concentration camp incinerators?
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The Ústí massacre  was a lynching of ethnic Germans in Ústí nad Labem (Aussig an der Elbe), a largely ethnic German city in northern Bohemia ("Sudetenland"), shortly after the end of World War II, on 31 July 1945. During the incident, at least 43 Germans were killed (confirmed body count) but the estimated numbers range from 80 to thousands of victims.

Intelligence officer and police commandant Bedřich Pokorný, who previously took part in the organisation of so called Brno death march in May 1945, has been sometimes accused of organizing this massacre towards the end of the Potsdam conference (17 July to 2 August 1945) after the government had halted such acts.
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The estimated number of victims is 80–120, with 43 being accounted for specifically: 24 bodies gathered in the city were burned in the crematorium of the former concentration camp in Terezín on 1 August
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Ast%C3%AD_massacre
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on May 23, 2021, 06:54:25 pm
How many times have you heard of "Nazi slave labor"? 

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In the years following World War II, large numbers of German civilians and captured soldiers were forced into labor by the Allied forces. The topic of using Germans as forced labor for reparations was first broached at the Tehran conference in 1943, where Soviet premier Joseph Stalin demanded 4,000,000 German workers.[1]

Forced labor was also included in the final protocol of the Yalta conference[2] in January 1945, where it was assented to by UK Prime Minister Winston Churchill and US President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
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The largest group of forced laborers in the Soviet Union consisted of several million German prisoners of war. Most German POW survivors of the forced labor camps in the Soviet Union were released in 1953.[3][4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_of_Germans_after_World_War_II

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In its shifted borders, post-war Poland comprised large territories that had a German-speaking majority and had been part of German states for centuries. Many ethnic Germans living in these areas were, prior to their expulsion from their home region, used for years as forced laborers in labor camps[8] such as that run by Salomon Morel.

Among these camps were Central Labor Camp Jaworzno, Central Labor Camp Potulice, Łambinowice, Zgoda labor camp and others.[9][10] The law authorizing forced labor, Article 20 of the law on the exclusion of the enemy elements from society, also removed rights to Polish citizenship and all property owned.[11]

The many camps were used during the process of the expulsions for the sake of "rehabilitating" Reichs- or Volksdeutsche, to decide if they could stay or go, but in reality this was a program of slave labor.[12] Roughly 200,000 ethnic Germans died in the Soviet run concentration camps in Poland.[12]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_of_Germans_after_World_War_II

Why don't we hear about people like this in history textbooks:
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Salomon Morel (November 15, 1919 – February 14, 2007) was an officer in the Ministry of Public Security in the Polish People's Republic. Morel was as a commander of concentration camps run by the NKVD and Polish communist authorities until 1956.
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Beginning in the early 1990s Morel was investigated by authorities for war crimes and crimes against humanity, including the murder[4] of more than 1,500 prisoners from Upper Silesia, most of from the local population.[5][1][6][7] In 1996, he was indicted by Poland on charges of torture, war crimes, crimes against humanity and communist crimes.[3] After his case was publicized by the Polish, German, British, and American media, Morel fled to Israel and was granted citizenship under the Law of Return. Poland twice requested his extradition, once in 1998 and once in 2004, but Israel refused to comply and rejected the more serious charges as being false and again rejected extradition on the grounds that the statute of limitations against Morel had run out and that Morel was in poor health.[8] Polish authorities responded by accusing Israel of applying a double standard, and the controversy over Morel's extradition continued until his death.[5]
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Morel claimed that he was at one point an inmate in Auschwitz and over thirty of his relatives were killed in the Holocaust.[12]
[...]
Solomon Morel's preferred method of torture was the ice water tank where prisoners would be put in with freezing water up to their necks until they died.
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The survivor Dorota Boriczek described Morel as "a barbaric and cruel man" who often personally tortured and killed prisoners.[7] Gerhard Gruschka, a local Upper Silesian of Polish descent, was imprisoned in Zgoda when he was 14 years old and wrote a book about his experiences, detailing the endemic torture and abuse in the camp.[2] Morel was also accused of an extensive pattern of sadistic torture in John Sack's book An Eye for an Eye: The Untold Story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans in 1945, which contributed to publicizing his case in the Anglophone world in the 1990s.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

Going back to the slave labor of German prisoners that most Allied nations continued to use even after the war ended:
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Many Germans in what would become East Germany were forced by the Communist authorities to work in German uranium mines producing the majority of the raw material of the Soviet atomic bomb project.[16] Beginning in the summer of 1946 the Soviets began explorations in the Erzgebirge, and sealing off the old radium hot springs by September of the same year. An initial workforce of four to five thousand was established, with another 20,000 called for by the end of the year. When an extra 60,000 workers were called for in the summer of 1947, a wave of potential workers flooded into West Germany to avoid the mines, including many citizens who would otherwise prefer to live in the communist East. Workers who began as volunteers were turned into forced laborers. Workers who attempted to escape, whether conscripts or volunteers, were hunted down and returned to the mines.
[...]
Contrary to Section IV of the Hague Convention of 1907, "The Laws and Customs of War on Land", the SHAEF "counter insurgency manual" included provisions for forced labor and hostage taking.[18]
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Some of the 740,000 German prisoners transferred in 1945 by the U.S. for forced labor in France came from the Rheinwiesenlager camps; these forced laborers were already very weak, many weighing barely 50 kg (110 lbs).[21]

In retaliation for acts of resistance, French occupation forces expelled more than 25,000 civilians from their homes. Some of these civilians were subsequently forced to clear minefields in Alsace.[22]

Holy ****, no wonder we never hear about forced prison labor by the Allied nations! They were more reliant on it than the Germans. Mind you the this is from the UK using it IN PEACETIME CONDITIONS AFTER THE WAR, not during the war when every single individual capable of labor would have a pressing need to be conscripted into the war effort.

A quarter of British agricultural labor was done by slave labor of German POWs in the late 1940s. Insane:
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In 1946, the UK had more than 400,000 German prisoners of war, many of whom had been transferred from POW camps in the U.S. and Canada. Many of these were used as forced labourers, as a form of war reparations.[23][24]

The two main reasons for their continued presence in Britain were to denazify them (in particular German officers), and for non-officers employment as agricultural and other labor.[25][26] In 1946 a fifth of all agricultural work in the UK was performed by German prisoners.[26] A public debate ensued in the UK, where protests over the continued usage of German labourers raged in the British media and in the House of Commons.[27] In 1947 the Ministry of Agriculture argued against rapid repatriation of working German prisoners, since by then they made up 25 percent of the land workforce, and they wanted to keep employing them into 1948.[27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labor_of_Germans_after_World_War_II#United_Kingdom

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The United States transferred German prisoners for forced labor to Europe (which received 740,000 from the US). For prisoners in the U.S. repatriation was also delayed for harvest reasons.[29]

Civilians aged 14–65 in the U.S. occupation zone of Germany were also registered for compulsory labor, under threat of prison and withdrawal of ration cards.[30]
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According to the Office of Public Administration (part of Federal Ministry of the Interior), compensation for Germans used as forced labor after the war cannot be claimed in Germany since September 29, 1978, due to the statute of limitations.[32]


After the war, the Allies made up a new classification for the captured/demobilized German military. They labelled them as "disarmed enemy forces" instead of prisoners of war, in order to ignore the Geneva Convention and other treaties regarding regulations on treating POWs. I suppose this made it easier to justify their use as slave labor.

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The Rheinwiesenlager (Rhine meadow camps) were a group of 19 camps built in the Allied-occupied part of Germany by the U.S. Army to hold captured German soldiers at the close of the Second World War. Officially named Prisoner of War Temporary Enclosures (PWTE), they held between one and almost two million surrendered Wehrmacht personnel from April until September 1945.

Prisoners held in the camps were designated disarmed enemy forces, not prisoners of war. This decision was made in March 1945 by SHAEF commander in chief Dwight D. Eisenhower: by not classifying the hundreds of thousands of captured troops as POWs, the logistical problems associated with accommodating so many prisoners of war mandated by the Geneva Convention governing their treatment were negated.

Most estimates of German deaths in these camps range from 3,000 to 6,000. Many of these died from starvation, dehydration and exposure to the weather elements because no structures were built inside the prison compounds.
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The camps were founded in April 1945 and remained in existence until September. There was a similar plan for the construction of all the camps. Open farmland close to a village with a railroad line was enclosed with barbed wire and divided into 10 to 20 camps, each housing 5,000 to 10,000 men. Existing field paths were used as streets of the camp and surrounding buildings as the administration, kitchen and hospital.[2] The prisoners of war, forced to surrender their equipment, had to dig holes in the earth by hand in which to sleep. Soon the camps were grossly overcrowded; e.g., Camp Remagen, intended for 100,000, grew to 184,000 prisoners.[3]

"Some of the enclosures resembled Andersonville Prison in 1864".[4]
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On 12 June 1945, the British forces took control of the two Rheinwiesenlager camps designated to be in the British Zone. On 10 July 1945, all releases were halted after SHAEF handed control of the camps over to the French. The deal was struck because the government of Charles de Gaulle wanted 1.75 million prisoners of war for forced labor in France.
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In 2003, historian Richard Dominic Wiggers argued that the Allies violated international law regarding the feeding of enemy civilians, and that they both directly and indirectly caused the unnecessary suffering and death of large numbers of civilians and prisoners in occupied Germany, guided partly by a spirit of postwar vengeance when creating the circumstances that contributed to their deaths.[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinwiesenlager

They're packed in so tightly it looks like a concert with barely any room to move.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Remagen_enclosure.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/WomenCamp1945.gif)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/GermanUnknownCamp1945.gif)


Then there's the US concentration camps which are actually sometimes mentioned in history books:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

The Canadian concentration camps remained until 1949!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Canadians


In WWI, the sinking of the Lusitania was a major piece of propaganda to gain sympathy for the Allied cause. The British loaded tons of ammunition on a ship carrying civilians, with the hopes that this would be a gotcha loophole allowing them to transport whatever they wanted. The Germans called their bluff and over 1000 people died in the sinking. Around 1500 people died on the Titanic, making it the largest loss of life in a single maritime disaster in history.

Meanwhile, this death toll was surpassed multiple times in WWII and no one ever hears about it. The highest death toll was a German ship evacuating refugees from the impending Soviet invasion. Over 9000 people died, and it remains the most deadly shipwreck in history.
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The MV Wilhelm Gustloff was a German armed military transport ship which was sunk on 30 January 1945 by Soviet submarine S-13 in the Baltic Sea while evacuating German civilian refugees from East Prussia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland and Estonia[3] and military personnel from Gotenhafen (Gdynia) as the Red Army advanced. According to one source, the ship was carrying Lithuanian, Latvian and Polish refugee children.[4] By one estimate,[5][6] 9,400 people died, which makes it the largest loss of life in a single ship sinking in history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff

Up to 7000 died in similar incident:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Goya


Lastly, here is one of the most disturbing and organized war crimes to take place during WWII, committed by the Soviets:

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The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers have ranged up to 2 million.[11][12][13][14] According to historian William Hitchcock, in many cases women were the victims of repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times.[15] At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and contemporary hospital reports,[13] with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath.[16] Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000.[2][17] Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass **** in history" and concludes that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone.[18] According to the Soviet war correspondent Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German females from eight to eighty years old. Soviet and Polish women were not spared either.[19][20][21]
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When the Yugoslav politician Milovan Djilas complained about rapes in Yugoslavia, Stalin reportedly stated that he should "understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle. ".[23] On another occasion, when told that Red Army soldiers sexually maltreated German refugees, he reportedly said: "We lecture our soldiers too much; let them have their initiative."[24]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

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'They raped every German female from eight to 80'
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Antony Beevor, author of the acclaimed new book about the fall of Berlin, on a massive war crime committed by the victorious Red Army.
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"Red Army soldiers don't believe in 'individual liaisons' with German women," wrote the playwright Zakhar Agranenko in his diary when serving as an officer of marine infantry in East Prussia. "Nine, ten, twelve men at a time - they **** them on a collective basis."
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest5 on May 23, 2021, 11:38:11 pm
NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!!!

Will Westerners ever learn?
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: christianbethel on June 05, 2021, 03:09:45 pm
Are you implying that Hitler should have simply looked the other way while Poland was slaughtering its German, Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian minorities, as well as training Zionist paramilitaries?

I wasn't implying anything. I'm just saying that Hitler was goaded into using military force against Poland as a result of failed negotiations (which he was planning to do anyway) by the Zionist cabal so they could have an excuse to wage war on him.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on July 31, 2021, 10:58:25 pm
This is post-WWII, but you've probably heard about all kinds of wacky Nazi plans to sink the entire Netherlands, or Himmler trying to colonize the USSR with a bunch of Nordicist neo-feudalist fiefdoms, or any other kinds of crazy things. I think due to post-war propaganda, we'll never really know if most of these things were always considered to be far too impractical to ever leave the drawing board, or whether they were actually semi-serious.

But here's a barbaric plan that was serious and quite frankly dwarfs any 'evil plans' that WWII Germany allegedly had. During the Korean war, General Douglas MacArthur (the highest-ranking General in the US Army and commander of the US forces in the Korean war) wanted to drop 30-50 atomic bombs on the border of North Korea in order to stop Chinese reinforcements. Think about that. 50 atomic bombs in the small Korean peninsula. By 1950, the Soviets had their own nuclear weapons, and MacArthur was also so antagonistic toward China that many believed he would lead to a full-on WWIII with them. For these reasons, General MacArthur was removed from his command in Korea.

How many times have we heard about the "audacity" of NS Germany using scorched earth tactics on the Eastern front, on the frontlines of a total war situation? Meanwhile, MacArthur wanted to turn parts of China and Korea into nuclear wastelands which would remain impenetrable for over an entire lifetime.

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At a press conference on 30 November 1950, Truman was asked about the use of nuclear weapons:

    Q. Mr. President, I wonder if we could retrace that reference to the atom bomb? Did we understand you clearly that the use of the atomic bomb is under active consideration?
    Truman: Always has been. It is one of our weapons.
    Q. Does that mean, Mr. President, use against military objectives, or civilian—
    Truman: It's a matter that the military people will have to decide. I'm not a military authority that passes on those things.
    Q. Mr. President, perhaps it would be better if we are allowed to quote your remarks on that directly?
    Truman: I don't think—I don't think that is necessary.
    Q. Mr. President, you said this depends on United Nations action. Does that mean that we wouldn't use the atomic bomb except on a United Nations authorization?
    Truman: No, it doesn't mean that at all. The action against Communist China depends on the action of the United Nations. The military commander in the field will have charge of the use of the weapons, as he always has.[88]

The implication was that the authority to use atomic weapons now rested in the hands of MacArthur.[89][90] Truman's White House issued a clarification, noting that "only the President can authorize the use of the atom bomb, and no such authorization has been given," yet the comment still caused a domestic and international stir.[88]
[...]
On 9 December 1950, MacArthur requested field commander's discretion to employ nuclear weapons; he testified that such an employment would only be used to prevent an ultimate fallback, not to recover the situation in Korea.[92] On 24 December 1950, MacArthur submitted a list of "retardation targets" in Korea, Manchuria and other parts of China, for which 34 atomic bombs would be required.[92][93][94][95] In June 1950, Louis Johnson released a study on the potential uses of radioactive agents. According to Major General Courtney Whitney, MacArthur considered the possibility of using radioactive wastes to seal off North Korea in December 1950, but he never submitted this to the Joint Chiefs. After his dismissal, Senator Albert Gore Sr. put a similar proposal to Truman.[96]
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In early April 1951, the Joint Chiefs became alarmed by the build up of Soviet forces in the Far East, particularly bombers and submarines.[98] On 5 April 1951, they drafted orders for MacArthur authorizing attacks on Manchuria and the Shantung Peninsula if the Chinese launched airstrikes against his forces originating from there.[99] The next day Truman met with the chairman of the United States Atomic Energy Commission, Gordon Dean,[91] and arranged for the transfer of nine Mark 4 nuclear bombs to military control.[100]
[...]
 In interview with Jim G. Lucas and Bob Considine on 25 January 1954, posthumously published in 1964, MacArthur said,

    Of all the campaigns of my life, 20 major ones to be exact, [Korea was] the one I felt most sure of was the one I was deprived of waging. I could have won the war in Korea in a maximum of 10 days.... I would have dropped between 30 and 50 atomic bombs on his air bases and other depots strung across the neck of Manchuria
.... It was my plan as our amphibious forces moved south to spread behind us—from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea—a belt of radioactive cobalt. It could have been spread from wagons, carts, trucks and planes.... For at least 60 years there could have been no land invasion of Korea from the north. The enemy could not have marched across that radiated belt."[110]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_of_Douglas_MacArthur#Nuclear_weapons

Oh, and another thing:

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There were numerous atrocities and massacres of civilians throughout the Korean War committed by both sides, starting in the war's first days. On 28 June, North Korean troops committed the Seoul National University Hospital massacre.[393] On the same day, South Korean President Syngman Rhee ordered the Bodo League massacre,[150][394][395] beginning mass killings of suspected leftist sympathizers and their families by South Korean officials and right-wing groups.[396][397] Estimates of those killed during the Bodo League massacre range from at least 60,000–110,000 (Kim Dong-choon) to 200,000 (Park Myung-lim).[398] The British protested to their allies about later South Korean mass executions and saved some citizens.[396][397]

In 2005–2010, a South Korean Truth and Reconciliation Commission investigated atrocities and other human rights violations through much of the 20th century, from the Japanese colonial period through the Korean War and beyond. It excavated some mass graves from the Bodo League massacres and confirmed the general outlines of those political executions. Of the Korean War-era massacres the commission was petitioned to investigate, 82% were perpetrated by South Korean forces, with 18% perpetrated by North Korean forces.[399][400][398]
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In the most notorious U.S. massacre, investigated separately, not by the commission, American troops killed an estimated 250–300 refugees, mostly women and children, at No Gun Ri in central South Korea (26–29 July 1950).[401][402] U.S. commanders, fearing enemy infiltrators among refugee columns, had adopted a policy of stopping civilian groups approaching U.S. lines, including by gunfire.[403] After years of rejecting survivors’ accounts, the U.S. Army investigated and in 2001 acknowledged the No Gun Ri killings, but claimed they were not ordered and "not a deliberate killing".[404]:x South Korean officials, after a parallel investigation, said they believed there were orders to shoot. The survivors’ representatives denounced what they described as a U.S. "whitewash".[405][406]
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In December 1950, the South Korean National Defense Corps was founded; the soldiers were 406,000 drafted citizens.[436] In the winter of 1951, 50,000[437][438] to 90,000[439][440] South Korean National Defense Corps soldiers starved to death while marching southward under the PVA offensive when their commanding officers embezzled funds earmarked for their food.[437][439][441][442] This event is called the National Defense Corps Incident.[437][439] There is no evidence that Syngman Rhee was personally involved in or benefited from the corruption.[443]
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Throughout the Korean War, "comfort stations" were operated by South Korean officials for UN soldiers.[445]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#War_crimes

If you changed the names to make it seem like it happened at the hands of Germany or Japan in WWII, no one would have batted an eye. But since it happened by a different nation in a different war, it's never in regular history books. If the point of the history books was to simply teach certain actions and principles were bad in a sincere and unbiased manner, there wouldn't be such an extreme double standard focusing on the (alleged) actions of a single regime during a single time period, while ignoring all the comparable (and often worse) things that happened at the hands of other regimes (in more recent time periods!).
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on July 31, 2021, 11:37:27 pm
The present-day historiography of the capital-h 'Holocaust' as a sacred thing everyone needed to talk about seems to have started in the late 1970s:

(https://images.newrepublic.com/f4f636791aa06ac92655e25b31892047d96073bc.png)
This image is from the Google Ngram Viewer, which analyzes how frequently words have been used in digitized books, etc., and was produced for the article below.

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In the course of reporting "A Liberator, But Never Free," about the recent discovery of the late Dr. David Wilsey’s letters home from the liberation of the Dachau concentration camp, one intriguing semantic anomaly transfixed every expert consulted: the Spokane anesthesiologist’s persistent use of the word “holocaust” to describe the horrors all around him.
[...]
Yet for decades after the war, the genocide lacked any formal title in English except, perhaps, “The Final Solution,” the term the Nazis used. In Hebrew, the calamity quickly became known as “Shoah,” which means “the catastrophe.” But it wasn’t until the 1960s that scholars and writers began using the term “Holocaust,” and it took the 1978 TV film Holocaust, starring Meryl Streep, to push it into widespread use.
[...]
Allied governments, Donahue said, downplayed the extent of the peril to Jews in their rally-the-homefront propaganda materials, for fear that many non-Jews wouldn’t be willing to fight and die for what was still a marginalized religious minority regarded suspiciously even in the U.S. Wilsey himself reflected those attitudes in a letter on April 4, 1945, in which he complains about a Jewish anesthesiologist he was forced to bunk with. “ Dear, medicine is so full of them, so usurped by them, so progressively becoming ruled by them — that we white men just must not do all we can to help them.” A paragraph later, in fact, he blames his Jewish colleague’s “Prussianism”—his Eastern European background—for “exactly what has caused 3 holocaustic wars.”
https://newrepublic.com/article/121807/when-holocaust-became-holocaust

Lol, the person who first used the term "holocaust" to describe the events of WWII blamed Jewish attitudes for causing WWII! That tidbit will certainly not be printed in history textbooks. Nor will things such as the diary entries of people like General Patton (who complained about the attitudes of Jewish journalists who were covering the US military occupation in Germany).


There's countless famous quotations claiming victors write history. But the real power is the fact that the victors are the ones who get to teach history and shape the "official" narrative of what we accept as reality. Even if they don't outright make anything up, they pick and choose which pieces of information to include and which to selectively exclude, to shape what we think is important and what we will remain ignorant to. When it comes to facts of dubious accuracy, well, the vast majority of people don't care about facts and rational argumentation (and, even if they did, there is too much information in existence for every person to possibly process). The vast majority don't care about history either--it's just a subject they are forced to take in school and don't pay any attention to. They only care about the peer pressure to adhere to "accepted" narratives and the taboo against acknowledging unpopular narratives as potentially legitimate.

However, what narratives are "accepted" can rapidly change, yet we are rarely aware of these changes in paradigm. We often just think what we had been taught is how the narrative has always been taught. Again, this is much more powerful than simply writing down history after it happens. What has been written will always be there--the truth, the lies, and the half truths--but which pieces are ignored and which are included in the narrative of history can always change. Who knows, 100 years from now the manner in which WWII is taught could completely change, and no one alive then would even realize how the war is taught today!


To give another example of changing narratives of history, over the past few decades there's been a lot of revisionism trying to rehabilitate the legacy of Genghis Khan, apparently in a misguided (or intentionally misleading) attempt to be "woke".

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Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World (2004) is a history book written by Jack Weatherford, Dewitt Wallace Professor of Anthropology at Macalester College. It is a narrative of the rise and influence of Genghis Khan and his successors, and their influence on European civilization. Weatherford provides a different slant on Genghis Khan than has been typical in most Western accounts, attributing positive cultural effects to his rule.

In the last section, he reviews the historiography of Genghis Khan in the West and argues that the leader's early portrayal in writings as an "excellent, noble king" changed to that of a brutal pagan during the Age of Enlightenment.
[...]
The book suggests that the western depiction of the Mongols as savages who destroyed civilization was due to the Mongols' approach to dealing with the competing leadership classes. The Mongols practiced killing the ruling classes in order to subdue the general population, a technique used by other cultures as well. Survivors of the upper classes wrote the histories and expressed resentment of Mongol brutality toward them. Weatherford explores the Mongol treatment of the general population (peasants, tradesmen, merchants) under Mongol rule. He suggests their rule was less burdensome than that of European nobility due to lighter taxes, tolerance of local customs and religions, more rational administration, and universal education for boys.

These benefits were enjoyed only by populations who surrendered immediately to the Mongol invaders. Those populations that resisted could be massacred as a warning to other towns/cities. These massacres were a method of psychological warfare to alert those populations not yet conquered. The resulting terror helped color the historical portrayal of the Mongols.
[...]
Weatherford explores Genghis Khan's legacy and influence; he attributes many aspects of the Renaissance, such as the spread of paper and printing, the compass, gunpowder and musical instruments such as the violin, to the influence of trade enabled by Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire. Weatherford suggests that the European Renaissance was a rebirth, not of Greece or Rome, but of concepts from the Mongol Empire. He notes the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan_and_the_Making_of_the_Modern_World

Yet:

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One estimate is that about 11% of the world's population was killed either during or immediately after the Mongol invasions (around 37.75 - 60 million people in Eurasia).[1] If the calculations are accurate, the events would be the deadliest acts of mass killings in human history.

Oliver Chancellor conducted research and found that the Mongol invasions induced population displacement "on a scale never seen before", particularly in Central Asia and Eastern Europe, and that "the impending arrival of the Mongol hordes spread terror and panic".[2]
[...]
The reputation of guaranteed genocide on those who fought them allowed the Mongols to hold vast territories long after their main force had moved on. Even if the tumens (tyumens) were hundreds or thousands of miles away, the conquered people would usually not dare to interfere with the token Mongol occupying force since they feared a likely Mongol return.
[...]
As Mongol conquests spread, that form of psychological warfare proved effective at suppressing resistance to Mongol rule. There were tales of lone Mongol soldiers riding into surrendered villages and executing peasants at random as a test of loyalty. It was widely known that a single act of resistance would bring the entire Mongol army onto a town to obliterate its occupants.
[...]
Genghis Khan was largely tolerant of multiple religions, but there are many cases of him and other Mongols engaging in religious war even if the populations were obedient. He passed a decree charging all Taoist followers to pay more taxes. All campaigns involved deliberately destroying places of worship.[6]

Ancient sources described Genghis Khan's conquests as wholesale destruction on an unprecedented scale in certain geographical regions, causing great demographic changes in Asia. According to the works of the Iranian historian Rashid al-Din (1247–1318), the Mongols killed more than 700,000 people in Merv and more than 1,000,000 in Nishapur. The total population of Persia may have dropped from 2,500,000 to 250,000 as a result of mass extermination and famine. Population exchanges also sometimes occurred.[7]
[...]
The Mongols practised biological warfare by catapulting diseased cadavers into the cities they besieged. It is believed that fleas remaining on the bodies of the cadavers may have acted as vectors to spread the Black Death.
[...]
For example, there is a noticeable lack of Chinese literature from the Jin dynasty, predating the Mongol conquest, and in the Siege of Baghdad (1258), libraries, books, literature, and hospitals were burned: some of the books were thrown into the river in quantities sufficient to turn the Tigris black with ink for several months".[17][18] [19][20]; as well as "In one week, libraries and their treasures that had been accumulated over hundreds of years were burned or otherwise destroyed. So many books were thrown into the Tigris River, according to one writer, that they formed a bridge that would support a man on horseback" [21]

The Mongols' destruction of the irrigation systems of Iran and Iraq turned back millennia of effort in building irrigation and drainage infrastructure in these regions. The loss of available food as a result may have led to the death of more people from starvation in this area than the actual battle did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_under_the_Mongol_Empire

How many times have you seen people repeat the narrative about Genghis Khan actually being "progressive" for his time and not that bad? (Even a series as "woke" as Assassin's Creed pushes this narrative of Genghis Khan!) Simply reading a few paragraphs of the Wikipedia article above could have corrected their beliefs. But they didn't bother, since narratives (i.e. propaganda) are more powerful and compelling than facts alone.


And, of course, don't get us started on discussing communist apologists who don't even try to downplay the carnage and oppression of communist regimes, and are still able to embrace communism and cling on to the tiniest examples of how communism is supposedly positive! But it is somehow too taboo to examine any of the positives of the National Socialist regime, solely because they allegedly killed....tens of millions fewer people than the Soviets or Mongols...? I guess it's because the communists and Weatherford's narrative of Genghis Khan don't fundamentally challenge Western Civilization, and therefore such narratives are allowed to exist within the Overton Window.


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And, just for fun, if you like to read deeply into things:

From the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica:
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HOLOCAUST (Gr. ὁλοκαυστον, or ὁλόκαυτον, wholly burnt), strictly a sacrifice wholly destroyed by fire, such as the sacrifices of the Jews, described in the Pentateuch as “whole burnt offerings”
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/39232/39232-h/39232-h.htm#ar175

From Webster's Dictionary, 1913:
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HOLOCAUST
1. A burnt sacrifice; an offering, the whole of which was consumed by fire, among the Jews and some pagan nations. Milton.

2. Sacrifice or loss of many lives, as by the burning of a theater or a ship.

Note: [An extended use not authorized by careful writers.]

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SCAPEGOAT
1. (Jewish Antiq.)

Defn: A goat upon whose head were symbolically placed the sins of the people, after which he was suffered to escape into the wilderness. Lev. xvi. 10.

2. Hence, a person or thing that is made to bear blame for others. Tennyson.
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/29765


So Zionist historians/propagandists scapegoated the Jews as the biggest victims of WWII, who were then capital-H holocausted... And Yahweh certainly rewarded them for their offering.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 31, 2021, 11:52:06 pm
I actually find this narrative somewhat plausible:

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Weatherford explores Genghis Khan's legacy and influence; he attributes many aspects of the Renaissance, such as the spread of paper and printing, the compass, gunpowder and musical instruments such as the violin, to the influence of trade enabled by Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire. Weatherford suggests that the European Renaissance was a rebirth, not of Greece or Rome, but of concepts from the Mongol Empire. He notes the following:

I merely happen to consider the Renaissance to be the worst event in all of history, therefore acknowledging Genghis Khan's role in it just makes him an even more evil villain in my mind.

The problem with False Leftists is that (being progressives) they think the Renaissance was a positive event to begin with.

True Leftists can work with anyone who hates the Renaissance, no matter whom they blame for it. True Leftists cannot work with anyone who likes the Renaissance, no matter whom they credit for it.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 10, 2021, 01:10:39 am
If you ask neo-Nazis about what Hitler disliked about Poland, they will claim basically that Hitler considered Poland too ghetto. Of course they do not have a clue what they are talking about. Here are some videos of pre-WWII Poland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biBCosaZ_0w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0hlKsZdnhI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg7o0SP4zK4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjps5GHWEgE

What you see in these videos is what Hitler actually disliked about Poland. As a matter of fact, it was only after Hitler got the Luftwaffe to bomb the above into dust:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_crimes_against_the_Polish_nation#1939_September_Campaign

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Over 100,000 Poles died in the Luftwaffe's terror bombing operations, like those at Wieluń.[27] Massive air raids were conducted on towns which had no military infrastructure.[28] The town of Frampol, near Lublin, was heavily bombed on 13 September as a test subject for Luftwaffe bombing technique; chosen because of its grid street plan and an easily recognisable central town-hall. Frampol was hit by 70 tonnes of munitions,[29] which destroyed up to 90% of buildings and killed half of its inhabitants.[30] Columns of fleeing refugees were systematically attacked by the German fighter and dive-bomber aircraft.[31]

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Frampol_bombing.jpg)

Amongst the Polish cities and towns bombed at the beginning of war were: Brodnica,[32] Bydgoszcz,[32] Chełm,[32] Ciechanów,[32] Częstochowa,[33][34] Grodno,[34] Grudziądz,[34] Gdynia,[32] Janów,[32] Jasło,[32] Katowice,[34] Kielce,[34] Kowel,[34] Kraków,[32][33] Kutno,[32] Lublin,[32] Lwów,[34] Olkusz,[32] Piotrków,[35] Płock,[32] Płońsk,[34] Poznań,[33][34] Puck,[34] Radom,[32] Radomsko,[34] Sulejów,[35] Warsaw,[33][34] Wieluń,[32] Wilno, and Zamość.[32] Over 156 towns and villages were attacked by the Luftwaffe.[36] Warsaw suffered particularly severely with a combination of aerial bombardment and artillery fire reducing large parts of the historic centre to rubble,[37] with more than 60,000 casualties.[24]

that infrastructure was rebuilt post-WWII in the Brutalist-influenced styles that neo-Nazis complain about as being "ghetto".
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest55 on August 24, 2021, 12:15:25 pm
Hitler's Jewish Soldiers
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Many men who were partly of Jewish ancestry served in the German armed forces during WW2 - find out how and why they ended up in Hitler's army.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRfCwrI--is

In other words, many people of Jewish blood wanted to be Germans more than they wanted to be Jews. Many Germans rejected their Jewish identity altogether.

Reminder:
Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/BC0E/production/_104324184_207359e2-26ac-4e1b-b47b-400e4b1623ed.jpg)
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At first glance, the picture of the man hugging the beaming young girl appears to show a scene of great happiness.
(Uhhhh, maybe because it does? LOL! WTF!?!?)
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But a closer look reveals a far darker tale: this is Adolf Hitler, the man behind the murder of six million Jews, and the little girl is Jewish.
(Do Western historians really not realize how retarded sentences like this read?)

Despite this, Hitler would go on to build a friendship with Rosa Bernile Nienau, which only ended when top Nazi officials intervened five years later.

And now this rare, signed image from 1933 is going up for auction in the US.

Alexander Historical Auctions, in Maryland, estimates the picture, taken by photographer Heinrich Hoffmann, could fetch as much as $10,000 (£7,500) when it goes on sale on Tuesday.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941

A Westerner can tell you exactly how many Jews died during WWII, but can they tell you how many Germans died? How many Russians died? How many French died? etc.? But they absolutely positively know how many Jews died right? Why is that? This fact alone should make a normal person want to vomit.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 02, 2022, 10:26:13 pm
New blog post:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/white-supremacism-defeated-hitler/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest55 on January 31, 2022, 12:12:35 am
What the World Rejected: Hitler's Peace Offers 1933-1939
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"Germany will be perfectly ready to disband her entire military establishment and destroy the small amount of arms remaining to her, if the neighboring countries will do the same thing with equal thoroughness.

... Germany is entirely ready to renounce aggressive weapons of every sort if the armed nations, on their part, will destroy their aggressive weapons within a specified period, and if their use is forbidden by an international convention.

... Germany is at all times prepared to renounce offensive weapons if the rest of the world does the same. Germany is prepared to agree to any solemn pact of non-aggression because she does not think of attacking anybody but only of acquiring security." — Adolf Hitler, May 17th, 1933
https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/nothanks/wwr00.html

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Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: christianbethel on February 02, 2022, 02:43:27 pm
Where do we direct the people who claim Hitler hated 'black' people and use quotes from Mein Kampf and his 1.18.27 speech in Thuriginia?
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest55 on February 02, 2022, 03:39:20 pm
Where do we direct the people who claim Hitler hated 'black' people and use quotes from Mein Kampf and his 1.18.27 speech in Thuriginia?

Would be a good place to start I suspect:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41D1asjyHdL._SX316_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

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(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51cWcAb-eVL.jpg)

(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1408932416l/18794291.jpg)
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Why is the Black Nazis book and thesis so controversial to so many? Why have extremists on both the left and right attacked the author's premise with such indignant ferocity? This concise interview conducted by Ernest Young of Germany's Zuerst! magazine of author Veronica Kuzniar answers these questions.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18794291-the-controversy-of-black-nazis-ii
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on February 10, 2022, 02:32:31 am
See also this quote from Otto Wagener where Hitler discusses forming alliances with "the millions of the African, Indian, and yellow peoples."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/national-socialism-is-revolutionary-not-reactionary/msg11183/#msg11183
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on March 14, 2022, 01:05:46 am
In the news recently, plenty of Westerners are outraged that Russia has killed a few thousand Ukrainian civilians in 'indiscriminate' attacks.

Of course, barely any of them cared when millions of people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. faced the same fate. Or when this happened:
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On the night of 9/10 March 1945, the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) conducted a devastating firebombing raid on Tokyo, the Japanese capital city. This attack was code-named Operation Meetinghouse by the USAAF and is known as the Great Tokyo Air Raid in Japan.[1] Bombs dropped from 279 Boeing B-29 Superfortress heavy bombers burned out much of eastern Tokyo. More than 90,000 and possibly over 100,000 Japanese people were killed, mostly civilians, and one million were left homeless, making it the most destructive single air attack in human history.

The attack on Tokyo was an intensification of the air raids on Japan which had begun in June 1944. Prior to this operation, the USAAF had focused on a precision bombing campaign against Japanese industrial facilities. These attacks were generally unsuccessful, which contributed to the decision to shift to firebombing. The operation during the early hours of 10 March was the first major firebombing raid against a Japanese city, and the USAAF units employed significantly different tactics from those used in precision raids, including bombing by night with the aircraft flying at low altitudes. The extensive destruction caused by the raid led to these tactics becoming standard for the USAAF's B-29s until the end of the war.

There has been a long-running debate over the morality of the 10 March firebombing of Tokyo. The raid is often cited as a key example in criticism of the Allies' strategic bombing campaigns, with many historians and commentators arguing that it was not acceptable for the USAAF to deliberately target civilians
[...]
USAAF planners began assessing the feasibility of a firebombing campaign against Japanese cities in 1943. Japan's main industrial facilities were vulnerable to such attacks as they were concentrated in several large cities, and a high proportion of production took place in homes and small factories in urban areas. The planners estimated that incendiary bomb attacks on Japan's six largest cities could cause physical damage to almost 40 percent of industrial facilities and result in the loss of 7.6 million man-months of labor. It was also estimated that these attacks would kill over 500,000 people, render about 7.75 million homeless and force almost 3.5 million to be evacuated.
[...]
Their M47 bombs rapidly started fires in an X shape, which was used to direct the attacks for the remainder of the force. Each of XXI Bomber Command's wings and their subordinate groups had been briefed to attack different areas within the X shape to ensure that the raid caused widespread damage.[82] As the fires expanded, the American bombers spread out to attack unaffected parts of the target area.[52] Power's B-29 circled Tokyo for 90 minutes, with a team of cartographers who were assigned to him mapping the spread of the fires.[83]
[...]
Some American airmen also needed to use oxygen masks when the odor of burning flesh entered their aircraft.[85]
[...]
Escape frequently proved impossible, as smoke reduced visibility to just a few feet and roads were rapidly cut by the fires.[99][102] Crowds of civilians often panicked as they rushed towards the perceived safety of canals, with those who fell being crushed to death.[104] The majority of those killed in the raid died while trying to evacuate.[105] In many cases entire families were killed.[97] One of the most deadly incidents occurred when the full bomb load of a B-29 landed in a crowd of civilians crossing the Kototoi Bridge over the Sumida River causing hundreds of people to be burned to death.[106]
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The survey also stated that the majority of the casualties were women, children and elderly people.[98] Frank wrote in 1999 that historians generally believe that there were between 90,000 and 100,000 fatalities, but some argue that the number was much higher.[34] For instance, Edwin P. Hoyt stated in 1987 that 200,000 people had been killed and in 2009 Mark Selden wrote that the number of deaths may have been several times the estimate of 100,000 used by the Japanese and United States Governments.[112][115]
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Few concerns were raised in the United States during the war about the morality of the 10 March attack on Tokyo or the firebombing of other Japanese cities.[126] These tactics were supported by the majority of decision-makers and American civilians.
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When the Japanese Government's official broadcaster Radio Tokyo reported the attack it was labeled "slaughter bombing".[95]
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From 11 May until the end of the war the B-29s conducted day precision bombing attacks when weather conditions were favorable, and night firebombing raids against cities at all other times.[145] Further incendiary attacks were conducted against Tokyo, with the final taking place on the night of 25/26 May.[146] By this time, 50.8 percent of the city had been destroyed and more than 4 million people left homeless.
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Some commentators believe that racism motivated the decision to use firebombing tactics, in contrast to the USAAF's greater emphasis on precision bombing in its air campaign against Germany.[170]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_(10_March_1945)

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He was then placed in command of strategic bombing operations against Japan, planning and executing a massive fire bombing campaign against Japanese cities and Operation Starvation, a crippling minelaying campaign in Japan's internal waterways.
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After retiring from the Air Force in 1965, LeMay agreed to serve as Democratic Governor George Wallace's running mate in the 1968 United States presidential election.
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During the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, LeMay clashed again with U.S. President John F. Kennedy and Defense Secretary McNamara, arguing that he should be allowed to bomb nuclear missile sites in Cuba. He opposed the naval blockade and, after the end of the crisis, suggested that Cuba be invaded anyway, even after the Soviets agreed to withdraw their missiles. Kennedy refused LeMay's requests, and the naval blockade was successful.[31]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay

Wow:
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Operation Starvation was a naval mining operation conducted in World War II by the United States Army Air Forces, in which vital water routes and ports of Japan were mined from the air in order to disrupt enemy shipping.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Starvation
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on March 14, 2022, 01:09:38 am
British plan to kill millions of Germans using chemical warfare and kill millions more through famine. The plan was ready to be deployed in early 1944 and to be implemented in the summer of 1944, but was only scrapped since the Allied invasion in France was progressing rapidly.

They produced over 5 million poisoned 'cakes' which would be dropped across Germany, poisoning cattle (and subsequently poisoning humans who ate them), and then causing widespread famine deaths for those not directly poisoned.

Without exaggeration, this is surely one of the biggest war crimes of WWII? Even if they aborted it at the last moment. Read the article, it's more disgusting than it sounds:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vegetarian


Meanwhile, what were those evil Germans up to? Oh, not committing war crimes with chemical warfare... Also note Churchill's barbarity:
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The Nazis Developed Sarin Gas During WWII, But Hitler Was Afraid to Use It

Even as his Nazi regime was exterminating millions in the gas chambers, [lol] Adolf Hitler resisted calls to use the deadly nerve agent against his military adversaries.

Hitler certainly had the opportunity to use sarin in World War II. The Nazis were actually the ones to develop the deadly nerve agent—accidentally.
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By the end of World War II, Nazi Germany had produced some 12,000 tons of the deadly chemical compound, enough to kill millions of people. From early in the conflict, high-level military officers pressed Hitler to use sarin against their adversaries. But despite such pressure, Hitler declined to employ it as a chemical weapon against the Allied Powers.
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More importantly, perhaps, Hitler must have known that if he used chemical weapons, his adversaries would retaliate in kind. British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, for one, had long argued in favor of the use of such weapons to shorten military conflicts. “I cannot understand this squeamishness about the use of gas,” he wrote in a memo in 1919, when he was Britain’s secretary of war. “It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.”
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“In the event of the Germans using gas on the Russians…We shall retaliate by drenching the German cities with gas on the largest possible scale.”
https://www.history.com/news/the-nazis-developed-sarin-gas-but-hitler-was-afraid-to-use-it
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest55 on March 14, 2022, 09:32:22 pm
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Even as his Nazi regime was exterminating millions in the gas chambers, [lol] Adolf Hitler resisted calls to use the deadly nerve agent against his military adversaries.

How can anyone write a sentence like that and take themselves seriously? Do most people just write sentences and then just not even bother to read what they've just written back to themselves to make sure the sentence makes sense? Talk about cognitive dissonance....
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: christianbethel on March 15, 2022, 10:10:19 pm
Meanwhile, what were those evil Germans up to? Oh, not committing war crimes with chemical warfare...
What does the True Left board have to say about the various Waffen-SS mutinies? Or the fact a US unit teamed up with a Wehrmacht unit to fight a Waffen-SS unit?
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: rp on March 16, 2022, 10:12:38 am
Downfall (2004) -SS officer (speaking to traitor Himmler) ridicules Hitler as a "non-smoking teetotal vegetarian" (4:30):
https://youtu.be/YQA6TK65iVM
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on March 27, 2022, 01:03:16 pm
Yet another example of ethnic cleansing by the victorious powers of WWII:
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Operation Priboi (Russian: Операция «Прибой» – "Operation 'Coastal Surf'") was the code name for the Soviet mass deportation from the Baltic states on 25–28 March 1949. The action is also known as the March deportation (Estonian: Märtsiküüditamine; Latvian: Marta deportācijas; Russian: Мартовская депортация) by Baltic historians. More than 90,000 Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians, labeled as "enemies of the people", were deported to forced settlements in inhospitable areas of the Soviet Union. Over 70% of the deportees were either women or children under the age of 16.[1]

Portrayed as a "dekulakization" campaign, the operation was intended to facilitate collectivisation and to eliminate the support base for the armed resistance of the Forest Brothers against the illegal Soviet occupation.[2] The deportation fulfilled its purposes: by the end of 1949, 93% and 80% of the farms were collectivized in Latvia and Estonia. In Lithuania, the progress was slower and the Soviets organized another large deportation known as Operation Osen in late 1951. The deportations were for "eternity" with no way to return.
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Based on the Martens Clause and the principles of the Nuremberg Charter,[8] the European Court of Human Rights has held that the March deportation constituted a crime against humanity.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Priboi

I wonder if the "Holocaust" narrative is simply borrowing its stories from things like this:
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Compilation of deportee lists

Special MGB representatives were dispatched to various local offices of MGB to form operative staff that would select the deportees and compile a file on each family.

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Deployment of additional troops

Due to the immense scale of the Operation Priboi, which spanned three Soviet republics, considerable resources were needed. MGB needed to assemble personnel, transport vehicles, and communication equipment all the while keeping the operation secret. MGB also needed to draw up plans for where the operative groups to be deployed and how the deportees to be transported to the railway stations.[12]
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An additional 5,025 submachine guns and 1,900 rifles were brought in to ensure that the operatives were sufficiently armed. Telecommunications was a vital component to ensure smooth running of the operation, thus the MGB commandeered all civilian telephone exchanges for the duration and brought in an extra 2,210 MGB communications personnel.[15] 4,437 freight railway cars were delivered. A total of 8,422 trucks were organised. 5,010 civilian trucks were commandeered and the remaining vehicles were military origin, including 1,202 imported from the Leningrad Military District, 210 from the Byelorussian Military District and 700 from Internal Troops.[15] These additional vehicles were stationed just outside the border of the Baltic Republics in advance so as not to raise suspicion and sent in at the start of the operation.[2]
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Assembly of operative teams
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A deportation of a family was carried out by a small nine–ten-man operative team, which included three USSR MGB agents ("troika"), two republican Destruction Battalion soldiers and four or five local Communist Party activists who were armed by the MGB.[15] ... Care was taken to ensure that the operative team included at least one member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union or Komsomol to act as an ideological supervisors of the team.[13]
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Round up of families
On average, each operative team was assigned three to four specific families they needed to deport.[13] After locating the assigned farm, the team was to search the premises, identify all residents, and complete their files.
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As the people had already experienced mass deportations, they knew the signs (such as arrival of fresh troops and vehicles) and attempted to hide.[18] Therefore, the Soviets set up ambushes, tracked down and interrogated relatives, carried out mass identity documents checks, etc. Against regulations, MGB operatives would deliver children without parents to the train stations hoping that the parents would voluntarily show up.[13] Not all fugitives were caught by such measures and later, in Lithuania, smaller actions and deportations were organized to locate those that escaped the first Operation Priboi in March.[18]

Here we go again, those railroad cars that Holocaust propaganda tells us supposedly made Germany ruthless and evil--even though all Allied nations used them in post-WWII ethnic cleansings...
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Railway transportation

Once loaded onto the trains, the deportees became the responsibility of the MVD.[12] The loading stations needed special supervision and security to prevent escapes therefore they were, if possible, away from towns to prevent the gathering of deportee family members, friends, or onlookers. MVD also recruited informants from among the deportees and placed people categorized as flight risk under heavier guard.[12] The train cars were mostly standard 20-ton freight cars (Russian: Нормальный товарный вагон) with no amenities. The cars, on average, fit 35 people and their baggage which means about 0.5 square metres (5.4 sq ft) of space per person.[19]
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On average, the train ride lasted about two weeks, but could take almost a month.

This ethnic cleansing was demographically targeted in such a way to have maximum impact on the non-Russian ethnic groups being cleansed. I've never heard anyone allege that the 'Holocaust' was so precisely targeted!
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Some 72% of deportees were women and children under the age of 16.[2] Kruglov, the USSR Interior Minister, reported to Stalin on May 18 that 2,850 were "decrepit solitary old people", 1,785 children without parents to support them, and 146 disabled.[12] About 15% of the deportees were over the age of 60.[12] There were people of very old age; for example, a 95-year-old woman was deported from Švenčionys District, Lithuania.[23]
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The deportees were exiled "for eternity" and no right of return to their home,[3] with the penalty of twenty years of hard labour for attempted escapes. 138 new commandantures were set up to monitor the deportees, censor their mail, and prevent escapes.[12] Deportees were not permitted to leave their designated area and were required to report to the local MVD commandant once a month, failure of which was a punishable offense. The deportees were generally given jobs in kolkhozes and sovkhozes, with a small handful employed in forestry and manufacturing.[15] Living conditions varied greatly by destination, but there was housing shortage almost everywhere. Deportees lived in barracks, farm sheds, mud huts, or became tenants of locals.[12]

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Soviet deportations from Lithuania were a series of 35[1] mass deportations carried out in Lithuania, a country that was occupied as a constituent socialist republic of the Soviet Union, in 1941 and 1945–1952. At least 130,000 people, 70% of them women and children,[2] were forcibly transported to labor camps and other forced settlements in remote parts of the Soviet Union, particularly in the Irkutsk Oblast and Krasnoyarsk Krai.[3] Among the deportees were about 4,500 Poles.[4] These deportations do not include Lithuanian partisans or political prisoners (approximately 150,000 people) deported to Gulags (prison camps).[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Lithuania

FFS, the Soviets began this ethnic cleansing before WWII even began (and only months after the Soviets annexed the Baltic states):
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The first mass deportation was carefully planned by the Soviets. Already in late summer 1940, high-ranking Soviet officials began hinting at planned mass arrests and deportations.[12] NKVD began registering and tracking all "anti-Soviet elements", i.e. people who were judged to be harboring anti-Soviet attitudes solely based on their social standing, political affiliations, religious beliefs, etc. In particular, it targeted policemen, members of the Lithuanian Nationalist Union, Lithuanian Riflemen's Union, various Catholic organizations. In total, NKVD estimated that it needed to register 320,000 people or about 15% of the Lithuanian population,[13] which with family members constituted about half of the population.[14] In preparation for the deportation, NKVD drafted lists of people that would be deported during the first campaign, identified their incriminating background, traced their family members, and located their current residence. The list was fluid and kept changing. For example, a report dated May 13, 1941 identified 19,610 people that should be arrested and deported to prison camps and 2,954 people (mostly family members of those arrested) that should be deported to work camps.[15] A month later, the numbers changed to 8,598 arrested and 13,654 deported family members clearly indicating a policy of eliminating entire anti-Soviet families.[16]
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Ivan Serov issued instructions, known as Serov Instructions, detailing how the deportees should be detained and transported to the trains. The instructions emphasized that the deportations should be carried out as stealthily as possible to minimize panic and resistance. Each four-member executive group was given the task of deporting two families.[18]
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By 1944, Nazi Germany was retreating along the Eastern Front and Soviet forces reached the territory of Lithuania by mid-1944. In October 1944, Soviet officials, including Sergei Kruglov who had experience deporting the Chechen and Ingush people, began circulating ideas about deporting families of "bandits" – men who avoided conscription into the Red Army and joined the Lithuanian partisans.[26]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serov_Instructions

Operation Vesna began in 1948 and Operation Priboi (the 1st Wiki article in this post) began in 1949. 

That wasn't enough, so the Soviets engaged in another major ethnic cleansing operation in 1951:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osen

The 1941 ethnic cleansing operation also has its own Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_deportation


Wow, look at that, religion and cattle cars, two of the things that are considered uniquely evil in the Holocaust narrative:
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Soviet deportations from Estonia were a series of mass deportations by the Soviet Union from Estonia in 1941 and 1945–1951.[1] The two largest waves of deportations occurred in June 1941 and March 1949 simultaneously in all three Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania). The deportations targeted primarily women, children and the elderly calling them 'anti-Soviet elements'. In addition there were deportations based on ethnicity (Germans in 1945 and Ingrian Finns in 1947–1950) and religion (Jehovah's Witnesses in 1951).[1] Estonians residing in the Leningrad Oblast had already been subjected to deportation since 1935.[2][3]

People were deported to remote areas of the Soviet Union, predominantly to Siberia and northern Kazakhstan,[4] by means of railroad cattle cars. Entire families, including children and the elderly, were deported without trial or prior announcement. Of March 1949 deportees, over 70% of people were women and children under the age of 16.[5]
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On 27 July 1950, diplomats-in-exile of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania appealed to the United States to support a United Nations investigation of "genocidal mass deportations" they said were being carried out in their countries by the Soviet Union.[28]
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Russia's view

The Russian Federation, the only legal successor state to the Soviet Union, has never recognized the deportations as a crime and has not paid any compensation.[15][39]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Estonia

The Soviets were even ethnically cleansing people who had ancestry from the Baltic states before the USSR annexed the states!
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The Latvian Operation (Russian: «Латышская операция», Latvian: „Latviešu operācija”) was a national operation of the NKVD against ethnic Latvians, Latvian nationals and persons otherwise affiliated with Latvia and/or Latvians in the Soviet Union from 1937 to 1938 during the period of the Great Purge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Operation_of_the_NKVD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Latvia


It's curious that even with the strong anti-Soviet sentiment that has dominated the US and its allied nations, the history curriculum doesn't include any of the barbarity of the USSR that far exceeds the ruthlessness which Germany allegedly displayed.

Even after writing other posts in this thread, I'm still learning about new crimes:
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Mass operations of the People's Comissariate of Internal Affairs (NKVD)[1] were carried out during the Great Purge and targeted specific categories of people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_operations_of_the_NKVD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_Operation_of_the_NKVD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Operation_of_the_NKVD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Operation_of_the_NKVD
(Against ethnic Germans):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_Order_No._00439

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Kalmyks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Bessarabia_and_Northern_Bukovina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_settlements_in_the_Soviet_Union


Again, we are told that NS Germany allegedly exterminating entire villages in occupied territory is something that made them uniquely evil. Yet the Soviets did such things to their own citizens:
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The Khaibakh massacre was the mass murder of the Chechen civilian population of the aul (village) Khaibakh, in the mountainous part of Chechnya, by Soviet forces during the deportations of 1944 on 27 February 1944.[1][2][3][4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaibakh_massacre

Ever wonder why Russians had such a stranglehold on Crimea?
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The deportation of the Crimean Tatars or the Sürgünlik ("exile") was the ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide[c 1] of at least 191,044[c 2] Crimean Tatars in 18–20 May 1944 carried out by the Soviet government, ordered by Lavrentiy Beria, head of the Soviet state security and secret police, acting on behalf of Joseph Stalin.[11][12][13][14] Within three days, the NKVD used cattle trains to deport mostly women, children, the elderly, even Communists and members of the Red Army, to mostly the Uzbek SSR, several thousand kilometres away. They were one of the several ethnicities who were encompassed by Stalin's policy of population transfer in the Soviet Union.

The deportation officially was intended as collective punishment[15] for the perceived collaboration of some Crimean Tatars with Nazi Germany; modern sources theorize that the deportation was part of the Soviet plan to gain access to the Dardanelles and acquire territory in Turkey where the Tatars had Turkic ethnic kin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars


Also see the previous post about other Soviet ethnic cleansings and settler colonialism:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/western-revisionism-of-wwi-and-wwii/msg6582/#msg6582


No wonder so many people from the USSR volunteered in the German military to fight the communists.


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My mother has a similar story - I've never asked for details because it's still too hard for her to talk about it. I think it was her grandparents who were deported. Upon returning some years later, they found that the same soldier who removed them from their home and shoved them on the train was now living in their house. They never regained it.
https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/tom6h7/73_years_ago_today_soviet_union_started_the/i26lxsh/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on March 27, 2022, 01:09:54 pm
Some old Ukrainians share their opinion that Russians today are more brutal than Germany in WWII:
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Posad-Pokrovske, Ukraine (CNN)This is the final bus out of the last position Ukraine holds on the road to Kherson -- the first and only major city Russia has taken.
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Sat in the back of the van, Vitali breaks down, using his grimy, orange workman's gloves to wipe tears from his eyes.

"Civilians! They killed all the people, these are bastards, these are reptiles, parasites," he says. "They don't fight troops, they fight people. Do you understand? Kill everyone. Worse than the fascists."

Next to him sits Viktor, who remembers the last time a war of this ferocity came to this part of Europe. "Of course I remember," he says quietly. "I saw how the Germans attacked us. They didn't bully people."
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/21/europe/ukraine-russia-posad-pokrovske-mykolaiv-kherson-intl/index.html


Many people shared their family stories saying the same things.

Lol, and whenever someone brought up their story, all the replies are, "well, you're wrong because you're forgetting about the trillions of Jews." And all the Wikipedia links to the alleged German plot to ethnically cleanse every single "Slav". (Which obviously didn't happen if there are still hundreds of millions of Slavs and countless people who sympathize with the Germans over the Russians. And, besides, it was a plan first developed by Marxist Friedrich Engels in the first place:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/national-socialism-is-revolutionary-not-reactionary/msg11178/#msg11178
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/national-socialism-is-revolutionary-not-reactionary/msg11179/#msg11179 )

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My grandmother remembers when the Germans came. She was just a little girl then, and a few German soldiers stayed in her village for a few months, probably while they waited for new orders. They were very civil, never assaulted any villager, they would go around the village looking for food to buy (chickens, eggs, etc) and they always paid a fair price. My gran even remembers being gifted hair ribbons by one sergent, who would also swing her around. She used to call him "Rain". Then, one morning they woke up and the Germans were gone. They had left overnight.

On the other hand, when Russians came, they raped and plundered. In my country everyone thinks of Russians as rapists because of all the women they abused here.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tko9ia/the_germans_did_not_mocked_people_like_that_cnn/i1s4dt9/

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My grandma's village in Ukraine was occupied by nazis and they didn't touch the civilians. Imagine being worse than nazis lol.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tko9ia/the_germans_did_not_mocked_people_like_that_cnn/i1rp4pw/

(See the previous post about what the Soviets did to Lithuania)
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My grandfather who was born in 1930 in Lithuania often told me that the German Nazis treated them so much better than the Russians. This is a sentiment that lives all across eastern europe.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tko9ia/the_germans_did_not_mocked_people_like_that_cnn/i1rz6i0/

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I remember my grandpa told me a story, that when he was a kid, he lived near this small military airfield in a village, and kids used to play there. When germans captured that area he said that their soldiers were mostly nice and even gave chocolate to children. But when the soviets recaptured that area they used children as target practise with planes, not shooting them, but shooting around and stuff.

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My Hungarian grandma said the same. She was out with the animals and soviet planes strafed them occasionally.
Her father was shot in the head by a soviet soldier for no reason too.

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The reason was probably a little known fact that Hungary invaded the soviet union

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So if you are invaded, you have the right to randomly execute civilians when you win the war against the invading country?
Lmao
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tko9ia/the_germans_did_not_mocked_people_like_that_cnn/i1rsvs1/

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Doesn't surprise me, when I asked my Polish grandmother about the German occupation she said that at least the Nazis had some principles and rules they follow, while the Russians behaved like headless chickens and no one was really safe from them.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tko9ia/the_germans_did_not_mocked_people_like_that_cnn/i1sm7xo/

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My grandparents during WW2 in Poland went from living in nazi German occupation which then transferred to Russian occupation at some point. People started begging for the Germans to come back once they realized how awful the Russians were
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tko9ia/the_germans_did_not_mocked_people_like_that_cnn/i1sb31a/

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This still won't change the minds of those who are reddited beyond help. They need the nazis to be the supreme form of evil, they won't comprehend nor accept the fact that there were and are worse people and ideologies. This is what happens when revisionism is rampant in schools and universities (mostly in the West), and concepts such as nuance or context are not explained or included in the process of teaching.

Watching old people crying is heartbreaking.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tko9ia/the_germans_did_not_mocked_people_like_that_cnn/i1rsd9x/


Maybe some of these comments are fake or exaggerated. But if the millions of personal anecdotes from "Holocaust survivors" (the definition of which includes people born after WWII for some reason) are considered historic records without question, then surely random personal anecdotes from non-Jews are at least equally valid.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on March 27, 2022, 01:17:57 pm
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Do most people just write sentences and then just not even bother to read what they've just written back to themselves to make sure the sentence makes sense?

If they think too much they might realize even Wikipedia acknowledges how the US and other nations used certain gases as delousing agents:
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1917 Bath Riots occurred in January 1917 at the Santa Fe Bridge between El Paso, Texas and Juárez, Mexico. The riots are known to have been started by Carmelita Torres[1] and lasted from January 28 to January 30 and were sparked by new immigration policies at the El Paso–Juárez Immigration and Naturalization Service office, requiring Mexicans crossing the border to take de-lousing baths and be vaccinated. Reports that **** photographs of women bathers and fear of potential fire from the kerosene baths, led Carmelita Torres to refuse to submit to the procedure. Denied a refund of her transport fare, she began yelling at the officials and convinced other riders to join her. After three days, the discontent subsided, but the disinfections of Mexicans at the U.S. border continued for forty years.
[...]
Between 1915 and 1917, typhus (which was sometimes reported as typhoid fever) spread from Mexico City to the provinces from Veracruz to Jalisco.[3]
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During the same period, Thomas Calloway Lea Jr. was elected as the mayor of El Paso, Texas. Lea sent telegrams to U.S. Senators in Washington demanding a quarantine be put in place to stem the tide of "dirty lousey destitute Mexicans" who would spread typhus into El Paso.[7] The Public Health Service Officer for El Paso, Dr. B. J. Lloyd, admitted there was little danger and opposed a quarantine, but suggested opening de-lousing plants.[8] U.S. officials quickly adopted a policy of sanitizing Mexican immigrants at a disinfecting station in El Paso.
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Men were separated from women and children into separate buildings, where they were stripped of all clothing and valuables. Most clothing and valuables were steamed. Other items which might be damaged by steam (like shoes, hats, or belts) were exposed to cyanogen gas. Attendants examined the **** people for lice.[9] The officers conducting the strip searches were rumored to have photographed the **** women and shared the photos to others at bars.[11] When lice were found on a man, the man's hair was clipped close to his head and the clippings were burned. For a woman, the hair was doused in a mixture of vinegar and kerosene, wrapped in a towel, and left on the hair for at least 30 minutes. If lice were found on re-inspection, the process was repeated. Once attendants declared the lice test had been "passed", the naked people were gathered in a bathing area and sprayed with a liquid soap made of soap chips and kerosene oil.[9]
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After the U.S. entered World War I businessmen were able to lift the 1917 immigration terms for Mexican workers and the exemption lasted until 1921.[24] However, the bathing and fumigations, which later used insecticides and DDT, continued into the 1950s[8] and in the 1920s, authorities at the Santa Fe Bridge fumigated the clothing of Mexicans crossing into the U.S. with Zyklon B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Bath_riots

An earlier version of the article made the part about Zyklon B more clear:
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The riots were sparked by the practices of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which required Mexicans to "strip naked and be disinfected with various chemical agents, including gasoline, kerosene, sodium cyanide, cyanogens, sulfuric acid, and Zyklon B before gaining entry into the United States." Zyklon B, (a trade name for hydrogen cyanide) was the fumigation of choice for clothing and bedding on the U.S.–Mexico border, and was later used in the gas chambers of Nazi Germany. Police officers were also accused of taking and sharing **** photography of Mexican women bathers.[1] A year earlier, 50 Mexicans had their bodies sprayed with gasoline and set on fire, causing 27 of them to burn to death.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1917_Bath_riots&oldid=1011116009

Hmm, a few people in the US were burned and died from cruel application of chemical delousing agents. It is easy to imagine a handful of prisoners in Germany were similarly doused in a cruel manner by certain guards, leading to their deaths, and these stories were then blown so out of proportion that a delousing agent used by the US and worldwide somehow became the most deadly murder weapon ever created. Lol.

In particular, the Wikipedia article saying people were stripped of their personal items that could be damaged by the sanitation process sounds almost identical to the concentration camp narrative. Obviously the prisoners are going to be scared and confused and may not have any idea about how the sanitation process works, allowing the "survivors" to just make **** up. But these same sanitation processes were used outside of Germany, and yet no one bothers to think that maybe...some historic revisionism and sloppy sources have cooked up an incorrect narrative... Hmm
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: christianbethel on March 27, 2022, 03:53:37 pm
From The Waffen-SS Encyclopedia, (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/542101.Waffen_SS_Encyclopedia) pp. 260-264

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The Waffen-SS and War Crimes

If issues such as the service of Germanics in the Waffen-SS are complex matters that are easily misunderstood (See pages 84-180), this is no less true when studying the war crimes and atrocities associated with that body. Both are subjects on which much is sometimes presumed, often in the absence of solid facts. Wartime and post-war propaganda has also clouded the issue, and with this has come the desire of many, including many Germans, to identify the Waffen-SS with the commission of war crimes, to the exclusion, or near-exclusion, of other branches of the German armed forces. There is a widespread assumption that the men of the Waffen-SS were indoctrinated political soldiers of one sort or another, with the precise meaning of this term varying with the outlook of the user. This outlook, in turn, is assumed to account for the greater proportion of war crimes attributed to the Waffen-SS. Surviving records, however, support Waffen-SS veterans' claims that political indoctrination was at most a minor part of their training. Instead, indoctrination on political, ethnic, and historical matters was handled by National Socialist youth groups such as the German Youth and the Hitler Youth. Membership in the Hitler Youth and its various subgroups became mandatory in 1936, and was accompanied by state efforts to shape the curriculum of schools and universities according to National Socialist teachings. These processes combined to influence a generation of German young people, including the age groups born through 1928 who were called upon to perform military service in the Second World War. The youth influenced in this way primarily served in the Wehrmacht, which during the course of the war increasingly meant the German Army (das Heer) in particular. Throughout the Third Reich, the German Army consisted overwhelmingly of German men, with ethnic Germans and foreigners contributing only a small percentage of its manpower. By comparison, between 33 and 50 percent of the Waffen-SS consisted of ethnic Germans raised outside of Germany and Germanic or nonGermanic foreigners. These were young men who had not been raised in the atmosphere of National Socialist indoctrination, and had not been subjected to the racial and other poisonous theories of National Socialism. While some had been subjected to fascist or other chauvinistic indoctrination, few had been exposed to, much less professed, the course of propaganda delivered by the Nazi organizations in Germany. Thus, as an organization, the Waffen-SS possessed a smaller percentage of young men who had grown up under the teachings of National Socialism than did the Wehrmacht, especially the German Army. Countering this, it may also be theorized that those German citizens who did serve with the Waffen-SS tended to be volunteers, and that these volunteers were likely to hold a greater belief in the validity of National Socialist teachings. Of course, there was a high percentage of young volunteers in the German Army, Navy, and Luftwaffe, too. Thus, the Waffen-SS cannot fairly be characterized as being comprised mainly of Nazi fanatics, or of having soldiers who had been exposed to more (or, on the average, even as much!) Nazi hatemongering than the soldiers of the German Army. To explain the bad reputation of the Waffen-SS, it is more useful to consider the impact of political opportunism and the nature of anti-partisan warfare. The elite SS armored divisions in particular were a compact, easily recognized target even during the war, when they were singled out for blame by the Western Allies and Soviets if military reverses ensued. Sometimes, they were even blamed by German Army commanders if operations did not produce the desired results. Afterward, these units and others in the Waffen-SS were identified as being culpable for war crimes, with few corresponding accusations being made against German Army units, even when such accusations may have been justified. Interestingly, separate crimes were found for each of the first eight Waffen-SS divisions, and for the sister divisions of three of these. These incidents have sometimes received little study, but are taken at face value and their few particulars are repeated in countless works that rehash one another's content. Specifically, the 1st SS-Panzer Division is associated with the Malmedy Massacre; the 2nd SS-Panzer Division with Tulle-Oradour; the 3rd SS-Panzer Division with Le Paradis; the 4th SS-Polizei-Panzergrenadier Division with Larissa; the 5th SS-Panzer Division with the murder of 600 Galician Jews just after Barbarossa; the 6th SS-Mountain Division with the destruction of Rovaniemi, Finland; the 7th SSVolunteer-Mountain Division and 8th SS-Cavalry Division with massacres in their respective areas of operations; the 12th SS-Panzer Division with the murder of Canadian prisoners of war in Normandy; the 13th Waffen-Mountain Division of the SS with, again, massacres in its area of operations; and the 16th SS-Panzergrenadier Division with the massacre at Marzabotto, Italy. It is not the purpose of this piece to examine each case. It is essential, however, to realize that most cases result from some previous atrocity committed in violation of the laws and customs of war and were often of an exceptionally heinous nature. In other words, they were often a part of the pernicious cycle of cruelty that stem from other, similar acts. Each must be examined individually and closely before any opinion on the general nature of the Waffen-SS can be considered to be well informed. Detailed study reveals many interesting subplots to the various storylines. For example, Fritz Knöchlein became a martyr in certain circles following his execution for the commission of murders at Le Paradis, because evidence exists that he had simply reacted to earlier British war crimes. When Knöchlein is then given heroic stature, however, the matter has been carried too far, as the testimony of veterans and records in his file indicate that by late 1944 he was considered a poor regimental commander and an officer of unsavory character. In another case demonstrating the value of continuing research—the burning of the town of Rovaniemi, Finland—a late war memoir by a Finnish commando has revealed that the town burned down not as a result of a deliberate "scorched earth" tactic, but as a consequence of the actions by his leader who blew up a German ammunition train parked at the railway station. The killing in and around Marzabotto in the autumn of 1944 is normally labelled an "SS crime," yet the anti-partisan operation in that area was not the sort of police action that was typically organized by German police and/or security forces. It was actually a military operation directed by the headquarters of the Luftwaffe I Parachute Corps, which sought to remove threats to its rear area supply lines. The extent and character of the killing in and around this mountain village remains unclear to this day. Somewhere between 700 and 1,000 civilians died there, depending on the account one reads. However, which deaths were the result of combat (plain-clothed partisans and collateral civilian casualties), which were the targets of organized reprisals, and which may have been simply murdered outright remain clouded in controversy. Further, the situation is complicated by the fact that the Emilia-Romagna region in which Marzabotto lies was controlled by Communists at the time and for over 50 years afterward. Clearly, no more venomous political enmity existed than that between National Socialists and Communists, and as in so many similar situations, truth is often one of the first casualties. Investigations of allegations against eight members of the Reichsführer-SS Division allegedly involved in the killing at Marzabotto are actually still going on in Germany as of the time this book was written! "Anti-partisan" becomes the key term in so many of these cases, such as the incidents involving the "Das Reich," "Prinz Eugen," "Florian Geyer," and "Reichsführer-SS" divisions. Before casting judgment, it is worth remembering that before and during WWII, reprisals involving the civilian population in occupied lands were tolerated as a last resort by the Customary Law of Nations, including the principles of the socalled Martens' Clause in the preamble to the Convention, that is, "the usages established among the civilized peoples," "the laws of humanity," and "the dictates of the public conscience." The right to take reprisals against civilian hostages at that time was explicitly acknowledged by the court of the seventh follow-up trial of the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg (1948). It was only in 1949 that the Hague Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August that collective penalties, measures of intimidation or terrorism against civilians, as well as reprisals against persons and taking of hostages were prohibited (Article 33). According to the Customs of War on Land at that time, then, not every killing of a civilian by men of the Waffen-SS was a crime, even before the question is raised about the killing of unarmed civilians compared with those who had taken up weapons. In short, true massacres, such as the executions at and the razing of Lidice in the wake of Reinhard Heydrich's assassination (an incident perpetrated not by the Waffen-SS but by Gestapo, SD, and German and Czech police units), were never allowed under international law, but some reprisals against civilians were. Since the post-war Allied revision of the international conventions governing this distasteful aspect of warfare, modern people generally find such actions inconceivably reprehensible, but such was not the law or the outlook during World War II. Even the wartime (1940) US Army's Field Manual 27-10, The Rules of Land Warfare, allowed hostage taking and reprisals against civilians under some circumstances to "induce the enemy to desist from illegitimate practices" (pp. 89-90). To get to the bottom on those incidents, the nature of partisan warfare must be considered. Such activity took place long before the Second World War, and it has continued up to the time of writing, not least in places like Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. When Axis forces operated in Yugoslavia between 1941 and 1945, they became involved in a style of warfare that had existed there for centuries, and which resumed five decades later in the same regions. "Ethnic cleansing" had been practiced in the Balkans at intervals for centuries before the Germans' arrival, and has been continuing until very recently. The Waffen-SS, with its associations to the German police and security forces, had a substantial proportion of its units involved in anti-partisan warfare, not only in southeastern Europe, but in the Soviet Union, Italy, and elsewhere. These formations became caught up in an unusually cruel and merciless cycle of warfare characteristic of partisan activities as have some elements of the armies of the wartime Allies in the years since. The results are often disturbing and sometimes inexcusable, but not entirely unique to the Waffen-SS. It is within the realm of anti-partisan operations that the bulk of Waffen-SS atrocities can be found. With this understood, it is important to form judgments based on contemporary, not modern, requirements of the rules of land warfare, and on the study of policies which involved German military forces, and elements of the Waffen-SS in particular, in counterinsurgency roles.
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: rp on March 31, 2022, 03:13:10 am
NKVD Unterfrau grins and laughs about torturing German POW's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sShkNjJHMs

These are the same Unterfrauen that the progressive False Left (e.g Abby Martin) will extol as icons of feminism, being that the Red Army was (allegedly) the first military to have women serve in its ranks. But why don't they promote people like this?:
(https://akm-img-a-in.tosshub.com/sites/dailyo/fb_feed_images/story_image/201810/subhash-1820_101918040925.jpg)

Oh wait:
(https://s01.sgp1.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/article/122874-jyjloqpbhh-1561810715.jpeg)

Ahh. That explains everything now, doesn't it? @Dazhbog
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on April 06, 2022, 09:22:16 pm
Hmm, I swear I've heard of this referred to as "Nazi conspiracy" before, but it's actually Soviet:
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In his later years, Stalin was in poor health.[638] He took increasingly long holidays; in 1950 and again in 1951 he spent almost five months vacationing at his Abkhazian dacha.[639] Stalin nevertheless mistrusted his doctors; in January 1952 he had one imprisoned after they suggested that he should retire to improve his health.[638] In September 1952, several Kremlin doctors were arrested for allegedly plotting to kill senior politicians in what came to be known as the Doctors' Plot; the majority of the accused were Jewish.[640] He instructed the arrested doctors to be tortured to ensure confession.[641] In November, the Slánský trial took place in Czechoslovakia as 13 senior Communist Party figures, 11 of them Jewish, were accused and convicted of being part of a vast Zionist-American conspiracy to subvert Eastern Bloc governments.[642] That same month, a much publicised trial of accused Jewish industrial wreckers took place in Ukraine.[643]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Final_years:_1950%E2%80%931953

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The "doctors' plot" affair (Russian: дело врачей, romanized: delo vrachey, lit. 'doctors' case'), also known as the case of saboteur doctors (Russian: врачи-вредители, romanized: vrachi-vrediteli, lit. 'vermin doctors') or killer doctors (Russian: врачи-убийцы, romanized: vrachi-ubiytsy), was an alleged conspiracy of prominent Soviet medical specialists to murder leading government and party officials.[1] In 1951–1953, a group of predominantly Jewish doctors from Moscow were accused of a conspiracy to assassinate Soviet leaders.[2] This was later accompanied by publications of antisemitic character in the media, which talked about the threats of Zionism and condemned people with Jewish surnames. Following this, many doctors, both Jews and non-Jews, were dismissed from their jobs, arrested, and tortured to produce admissions.
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Initially, 37 were arrested. Under torture, prisoners seized in the investigation of the alleged plot were compelled to produce evidence against themselves and their associates.[22][23]

Stalin harangued Ignatyev and accused the MGB of incompetence. He demanded that the interrogations of doctors already under arrest be accelerated.[24] Stalin complained that there was no clear picture of the Zionist conspiracy and no solid evidence that specifically the Jewish doctors were guilty.[23]
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Khrushchev also claimed that Stalin hinted to him to incite antisemitism in Ukraine, saying, "The good workers at the factory should be given clubs so they can beat the hell out of those Jews."[41][42]

According to Khrushchev, Stalin told Politburo members, "You are blind like young kittens. What will happen without me? The country will perish because you do not know how to recognize enemies."[40]
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There is a view, based on various memoirs and secondary evidence but without any solid proof, that the doctors' plot case was intended to trigger the mass repression and deportation of the Jews to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, similar to the deportations of many other ethnic minorities in the Soviet Union, but the plan was not accomplished because of the sudden death of Stalin.[43]

According to Louis Rapoport, the presumed deportation would have been planned to start with the public execution of the imprisoned doctors, and then the "following incidents would follow": "attacks on Jews orchestrated by the secret police, the publication of the statement by the prominent Jews, and a flood of other letters demanding that action be taken. A three-stage program of deportations would be followed. First, almost all Soviet Jews ... would be shipped to camps east of the Urals ... Second, the authorities would set Jewish leaders at all levels against one another ... Also the MGB [Secret Police] would start killing the elites in the camps, just as they had killed the Yiddish writers ... the previous year. The ... final stage would be to 'get rid of the rest.'"[44]

Four large camps were built in southern and western Siberia shortly before Stalin's death in 1953, and there were unproven rumors that they were for Jews.[45]
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Pure blooded" Jews were to be deported first, followed by "half-breeds" (polukrovki).[46] Before his death in March 1953, Stalin allegedly had planned the execution of doctors' plot defendants already on trial in Red Square in March 1953, and then he would cast himself as the savior of Soviet Jews by sending them to camps away from the purportedly enraged Russian populace.[46][49][50] There are further statements that describe some aspects of such a planned deportation.[48]
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Yakov Etinger described how former CPSU Politburo member Nikolai Bulganin said that Stalin asked him in the end of February 1953 to prepare railroad cars for the mass deportation of Jews to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast.[51] According to a book by another Soviet Politburo member Alexander Yakovlev,[52][51] Stalin would have started preparations for the deportation of Jews in February 1953 and ordered preparation of a letter from a group of notable Soviet Jews with a request to the Soviet government to carry out the mass deportation of Jews in order to save them from "the just wrath of Soviet people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot

Once again, how much of the Holocaust narrative has been taken from what the Soviets did? The Soviets blamed what they did during the Katyn Massacre on the Germans until the collapse of the USSR.

Wow, Stalin even hated Antifa, Lol:
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The Night of the Murdered Poets (Russian: Дело Еврейского антифашистского комитета, romanized: Dela Yevreyskovo antifashistskovo komiteta, lit. 'Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee affair') was the execution of thirteen Soviet Jews in the Lubyanka Prison in Moscow on 12 August 1952.[1] The arrests were first made in September 1948 and June 1949. All defendants were falsely accused of espionage and treason as well as many other crimes. After their arrests, they were tortured, beaten, and isolated for three years before being formally charged. There were five Yiddish writers among these defendants, all of whom were part of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee.
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Once the German invasion began and Russian Jewish culture was destroyed by the invading Nazi forces' genocidal operations, the JAC felt it had a duty to change priorities, and focus on the rebuilding of Jewish communities, farms, culture, and identity. Not everyone agreed with the direction in which things were headed and many[who?] thought the JAC was "intervening in matters in which it should not interfere."[3]
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The charges filed against the accused included mentions of "counterrevolutionary crimes" and organized action meant to "topple, undermine, or weaken the Soviet Union."[4] Additionally, the inculpation revealed that the investigation uncovered evidence that the accused had used the JAC as a means for spying and promoting anti-government sentiment.
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Overemphasis on exchanges of relatively innocuous information between the JAC leadership and Jews in other countries, particularly American journalists, augmented accusations of espionage.[4] Another piece of evidence supporting the indictment was a letter that the leadership of the JAC wrote as a formal request for Crimea to become the new Jewish homeland.[5]

All of the defendants endured incessant interrogations which, for everyone except Itzik Fefer, were coupled with beatings and torture. Eventually, these tactics led to forced, false confessions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Murdered_Poets
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: Zea_mays on April 06, 2022, 09:26:07 pm
Russians are trying to rewrite the history of the Katyn massacre again!
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In 2021, however, the Russian Ministry of Culture downgraded the memorial complex at Katyn on its Register of Sites of Cultural Heritage from a place of federal to one of only regional importance.[136] ... More important, the Ministry altered the descriptive text to say, once more, that the "Polish officers were shot by the Hitlerites in 1941".[137]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre#Those_adopting_pre-1990_views

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The massacre was initiated in NKVD chief Lavrentiy Beria's proposal to Joseph Stalin to execute all captive members of the Polish officer corps, which was approved by the Soviet Politburo led by Stalin.[1] Of the total killed, about 8,000 were officers imprisoned during the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland, another 6,000 were police officers, and the remaining 8,000 were Polish intelligentsia the Soviets deemed to be "intelligence agents, gendarmes, landowners, saboteurs, factory owners, lawyers, officials, and priests".[2] The Polish Army officer class was representative of the multi-ethnic Polish state; the murdered included ethnic Poles, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Jews including the chief Rabbi of the Polish Army, Baruch Steinberg.[3]
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The USSR claimed the Nazis had killed the victims, and it continued to deny responsibility for the massacres until 1990, when it officially acknowledged and condemned the killings by the NKVD, as well as the subsequent cover-up by the Soviet government.

An investigation conducted by the office of the prosecutors general of the Soviet Union (1990–1991) and the Russian Federation (1991–2004) confirmed Soviet responsibility for the massacres, but refused to classify this action as a war crime or as an act of mass murder. The investigation was closed on the grounds that the perpetrators were dead, and since the Russian government would not classify the dead as victims of the Great Purge, formal posthumous rehabilitation was deemed inapplicable.
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When Joseph Goebbels was informed in September 1943 that the German Army had to withdraw from the Katyn area, he wrote a prediction in his diary. His entry for 29 September 1943 reads: "Unfortunately, we have had to give up Katyn. The Bolsheviks undoubtedly will soon 'find' that we shot 12,000 Polish officers. That episode is one that is going to cause us quite a little trouble in the future. The Soviets are undoubtedly going to make it their business to discover as many mass-graves as possible and then blame it on us".[51]

Having retaken the Katyn area almost immediately after the Red Army had recaptured Smolensk, around September–October 1943, NKVD forces began a cover-up operation.[24][55] They destroyed a cemetery the Germans had permitted the Polish Red Cross to build and removed other evidence.[24] Witnesses were "interviewed" and threatened with arrest for collaborating with the Nazis if their testimonies disagreed with the official line.[55][56] As none of the documents found on the dead had dates later than April 1940, the Soviet secret police planted false evidence to place the apparent time of the massacre in mid-1941, when the German military had controlled the area.[56]
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At the trials in 1946, Soviet General Roman Rudenko raised the indictment, stating "one of the most important criminal acts for which the major war criminals are responsible was the mass execution of Polish prisoners of war shot in the Katyn forest near Smolensk by the German fascist invaders",[74] but failed to make the case and the U.S. and British judges dismissed the charges.[75] Only 70 years later did it become known that former OSS chief William Donovan had succeeded in getting the American delegation in Nuremberg to block the Katyn indictment. A German Fabian von Schlabrendorff, who was stationed in Smolensk during the war, had convinced Donovan that not the Germans but the Soviets were the perpetrators.[76]
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In the Soviet Union during the 1950s, the head of KGB, Alexander Shelepin, proposed and carried out the destruction of many documents related to the Katyn massacre to minimize the chance the truth would be revealed.[82][83] His 3 March 1959 note to Nikita Khrushchev, with information about the execution of 21,857 Poles and with the proposal to destroy their personal files, became one of the documents that was preserved and eventually made public.[82][83][84][85]
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: rp on April 19, 2022, 10:52:40 pm
Westerner bemoans the lack of "Holocaust" brainwashing in "Asian" countries:
https://youtu.be/3f-Txpm7w2s
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest55 on April 22, 2022, 10:19:11 pm
Unbelievable!!! It's almost like Westerners, including Westerners in Germany, have completely forgotten that they have literally been dragging the German nation's reputation through the mud at every possible opportunity ever since the end of WWII, and then have the gall to ask now why Germans have a false sense of empathy for Russia!?!?!?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/re-duginism-1134/?message=12999
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 06, 2022, 08:04:24 pm
New blog post:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/our-enemies-admit-national-socialism-is-incompatible-with-the-confederacy/
Title: Re: War
Post by: guest55 on May 29, 2022, 03:06:27 pm
Shell Shock - The Psychological Scars of World War 1 I THE GREAT WAR Special
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The traumata of warfare were certainly nothing new when World War 1 broke out. But the extreme and prolonged exposure to machine gun fire, artillery bombardments and trench warfare led to a new kind of psychological disorder: Shell Shock. Soldiers who were perfectly fine on the outside, were incapable of fighting or living a normal life anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvTRJZGWqF8

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The Mongols used the gunpowder weapon in their wars against the Jin, the Song and in their invasions of Japan." The earliest Western accounts of gunpowder appears in texts written by English philosopher Roger Bacon in 1267 called Opus Majus and Opus Tertium.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/re-turanian-diffusion/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: NSFAN on June 11, 2022, 12:16:45 am
How Nazi Gas Chambers Actually Worked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p5Yvl2PbBU

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The current market cost of a leaded 5.56 mm round is 21 cents compared to 32 cents for a lead-free tungsten composite round.

Meaning, even in today's prices it takes 21 cents to kill someone instantly!  :D

Are you really this gullible Westerner?

This is how Westerners circle jerk themselves into oblivion with their math's:

(Are you fucken serious people?)

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Not all the Jews killed by the Nazis (and Jews made up "only" about 5-6 million of the 11 million they killed) were gassed - a lot of them were shot, starved or otherwise left to waste away in concentration camps. In any case, Zyklon B was the gas used in concentration camps to kill them en masse, with other gassings taking place in euthanasia centers and gas vans. The latter two were done with carbon monoxide and exhaust fumes, which are essentially costless, so we'll leave them out.

960,000 Jews were murdered with Zyklon B, whose main component was hydrogen cyanide gas (HCN). According to this page it takes a concentration of 3500ppm of HCN to kill a person in a minute, and about ten times less to kill a person in the span of 10-60 minutes. The page on Zyklon B states that victims took about 20 minutes to die, so we can (very) roughly estimate the average concentration of HCN in the gas chambers to be about 700ppm.

That's 700cm3 of HCN per 1m3 of air, or 0.7dm3 of HCN - which works out to be 0.7/24 = 0.029mol of HCN per cubic meter of gas chamber. A Google search for the sizes of Nazi gas chambers yields mostly Holocaust denial sites, one of which cites the size as 250 square meters with an unusually low ceiling. I can't be arsed to look for more reputable sources, but the website sourced it from the book of a Holocaust survivor, so I'll leave it at that and give an approximate gas chamber volume of 250 x 2 = 500m3 . Total amount of HCN gas then equals 0.029 x 500 = 14.5 mol of HCN per room, which contained about 1000 people (estimating from a line in the Zyklon B article that said 600 + 250 people were killed in the first Auschwitz gassing). That makes 14.5 x 960 = 14,000 mol of HCN used in total. Total mass of HCN x Molar mass of HCN = 14,000 x 27 = 378,000g = 380kg of HCN.

I can't find info on the makeup of Zyklon B, so I'll assume 1kg of the stuff contains roughly 95% HCN, to fudge the total mass of Zyklon B up to 400kg. Since HCN at that time was a pesticide, we can (very roughly) look towards today's pesticide prices as an estimate for how much gassing the Jews cost Hitler. This paper lists the USA's pesticide expenditure as 20 billion USD per 2.5 million tons - 8000 USD per 1000kg. This finally gives Hitler's gas bill as 0.378 x 8000 ≈ $3000, which is either a weekend trip for two to Hawaii, or one pack of cigarettes a day for a year (according to the Dictionary of Numbers Chrome app). This figure is definitely wildly inaccurate, and print sources would probably have the actual figure listed somewhere, but here ya go.

tl;dr: About $3000 - Hitler could've just gone to Hawaii twice.
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Doesn't it take less gas to kill someone who's been starved to skin and bones?
https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/20ilxa/request_how_much_money_did_hitler_spent_on_the/

Dude, GET THERAPY ASAP!!!
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: NSFAN on June 14, 2022, 01:47:46 pm
What the World Rejected: Hitler's Peace Offers 1933-1940 Paperback – Illustrated, October 26, 2016
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Written by Germany’s foremost diplomatic historian of the early twentieth century, this work maps out all the numerous times that Adolf Hitler made unconditional offers of peace to all the nations of Europe—and how the major anti-German belligerents, France and Britain, turned down these offers each and every time.

The author lists all of Hitler’s offers in detail, complete with quotes, starting with his first offer of May 17, 1933, his second offer of December 18, 1933, his third offer of May 21, 1935, his fourth offer of March 31, 1936, his fifth offer of September 30, 1938, his sixth offer of December 6, 1938, his seventh offer of late 1939 to Poland to settle the Danzig Corridor issue peacefully, and finally, his offer of world peace on October 6, 1939, just over a month after Britain and France had declared war on Germany for invading Poland on September 1 (but not on the Soviet Union, which also invaded Poland on September 17).

This edition benefits from four new sections which did not appear in the original publication. These are:

– The full text of Hitler’s “Appeal for Peace and Sanity” speech, made before the Reichstag on July 19, 1940, following the fall of France. Although nearly half the British cabinet wanted to take up his offer, Churchill’s warmongering put an end to this final offer of peace;

– Hitler’s Political Testament, dictated just hours before his death on April 29, 1945, wherein he spelled out once again how he had tried to avoid the war, and blamed Jewish agitators for the refusal of other nations to accept his peace offers;

– Hermann Göring’s final letter—from this death cell in Nuremberg—to Winston Churchill, in which he blamed the latter’s warmongering on behalf of “Jewish Bolsheviks” for the conflict; and

– An extract from The Forrestal Diaries, in which the US Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal  quotes British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain as complaining that “the world Jews” have forced England into the war.

Fully reset and illustrated throughout with 22 rare photographs.
https://www.amazon.com/What-World-Rejected-Hitlers-1933-1940/dp/1684186102

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Are many Western powers still anti-German?: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/brexit/
Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: NSFAN on July 03, 2022, 05:39:20 pm
How Zionists Came to Palestine Under British Protection (Documentary)
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After taking control of Mandate Palestine, Great Britain saw itself confronted with mounting Arab and Jewish tensions. Zionist settlers had been moving to the region since the 1890s and after the Balfour Declaration in 1917, the Zionist movement accelerated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtvqioF81BU

This is obviously a false equivalency:
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The proper equivalency would read:
Judaism = Zionism and Zionism = Judaism. Judaism is Racism!
See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/secret-societies-and-occult-forces/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/

This poster then is obviously a little more accurate:
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And this poster is obviously a lie perpetrated by Jews as well:
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Reminder, Hitler Youth Palestine:
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See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/israel/

Western Revisionist David Irving misleading Westerners on this issue:
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Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: guest30 on July 03, 2022, 09:56:31 pm
@NSFAN

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And this poster is obviously a lie perpetrated by Jews as well:
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How can we trust a good people, but they still want to follow the evil ideological teachings...




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This is obviously a false equivalency:

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This is obviously the true equivalency :

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It was British settlers who oftenly practicing racialism in every land of indigenous people whom they conquered during colonial era. And it was them who make it became ideology and theorical worldview, like British Israelism and Manifest Destiny. Of course such teachings is very advantageous to the Jews, "whites" and other devout "non-whites" Judaic-Christian Eurocentrist

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Western Revisionist David Irving misleading Westerners on this issue:

(https://cdn.quotesgram.com/small/66/68/1828168395-quote-without-hitler-the-state-of-israel-probably-would-not-exist-today-to-that-extent-he-was-probably-david-irving-91548.jpg)

The correct statement is :

Without Western Civilization, the State of Israel probably would not exist today. To that extent it was probably the Jews' greatest tool



Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: antihellenistic on October 14, 2022, 03:01:31 am
Was Hitler Really Wanted Peace with Britain?

The answer was Hitler not really wanted peace with Britain. He wanted to invade her but the British airpowers defeated his both airpowers and naval powers which made long time recover. British used radar-technology to made her warplanes easily found the Hitler's warplanes and shot them down. And their fighterplanes attacked back with bombed the Hitler's ports, ships, and headquarters which used for preparation to invade Britain on French-occupied territory. And also Hitler's naval powers not yet to match the Britain's naval power during that time which made invasion of Britain harder during 1940. See this information :

Source : "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany, Arrow books 1991." by William L. Shirer

Book can be read on this link/URL : https://archive.org/details/B-001-014-606/page/780/mode/2up

Read only the sentences which given bold if you don't have time to read all the quoted contents

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...fortunately for posterity and the truth, the mountainous secret German military files leave no doubt that Hitler’s plan to invade Britain in the  early fall of 1940 was deadly  serious  and that, though given to many hesitations,  the Nazi dictator seriously intended to carry it out if there were any  reasonable chance of success.  Its ultimate fate was settled not by any lack of determination or effort but by the fortunes of war, which now, for the first time, began to turn against him.

(Page 762)

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...the Naval War Staff had estimated that to fulfill the demands of the Army for landing 100,000 men with equipment and supplies in the first wave, along a 200-mile front from  amsgate to Lyme Bay, would necessitate rounding up 1,722 barges, 1,161 motorboats, 471 tugs and 155 transports. Even if it were possible to assemble such a vast amount of shipping, Raeder told Hitler on July 25, it would wreck the German economy, since taking away so many barges and tugs would destroy the whole inland-waterway transportation system, on which the  economic life of the country largely depended.16  At any rate, Raeder made it clear, the protection of such an armada trying to supply such a broad front  against the  certain attacks of the British Navy and Air Force was beyond the powers of the German naval forces.

(page 766)

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British light naval forces bombarded the chief Channel invasion ports, Ostend,Calais, Boulogne and Cherbourg, while the R.A.F. sank eighty barges in Ostend Harbor. In  Berlin that  day  Hitler  conferred with his service chiefs at lunch. He thought the air  war  was going very well and declared that he had no intention of running the risk of invasion.24 In fact, Jodl got the impression from the Fuehrer’s remarks that he had  “apparently decided to abandon Sea Lion completely,” an impression which was accurate for  that day, as Hitler confirmed the following day — when,  however, he again changed his  mind.

(page 770)

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...two  hundred  German  bombers,  escorted  by  three  times  as  many fighters,  appeared over the Channel about midday, headed for London. Fighter Command had watched the assembling of the attackers on its radar screens and was ready. The Germans  were  intercepted  before  they approached  the  capital,  and  though  some planes got through, many were dispersed and others shot down before they  could deliver their bomb load. Two hours later an even stronger German formation returned and was routed. Though the British claimed to have shot down 185 Luftwaffeplanes, the actual figure, as learned after the war from the Berlin archives, was much lower — fifty-six, but thirty-four of these were bombers. The R.A.F. lost only twenty-six aircraft.

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The German Navy,  crippled by the losses off Norway in the early spring, was unable, as its chiefs admitted all along, to provide the sea power for an invasion of Britain. Without this, and without air supremacy, the German Army  was helpless to move across the narrow Channel waters. For the first time  in the war Hitler had been stopped, his plans of further conquest frustrated, and just at the moment, as we have seen, when he was certain that final victory had been achieved He had never conceived — nor had anyone else up to  that time — that a decisive battle could be decided in the air. Nor perhaps  did he yet realize as the dark winter settled over Europe that a handful of  British fighter pilots, by thwarting his invasion, had preserved England as a great base for the possible reconquest of the Continent from the west at a later date. His thoughts were perforce turning elsewhere; in fact, as we shall see,had already turned

(page 781 - 782)

What if Hitler's soldiers successfully invade Britain? See this information below.

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The  Nazi  German  occupation  of  Britain  would  not  have  been  a gentle affair.  The  captured  German  papers  leave  no  doubt  of  that.  On  September 9 Brauchitsch,  the  Commander  in  Chief  of  the  Army,  signed  a directive providing  that  “the  able-bodied  male  population  between  the  ages  of seventeen  and  forty-five  [in  Britain]  will,  unless  the  local  situation  calls for  an  exceptional  ruling,  be  interned  and  dispatched  to  the  Continent.” Orders  to  this  effect  were  sent  out  a few  days  later  by  the  Quartermaster General,  in  OKH,  to  the  Ninth  and  Sixteenth  armies,  which  were  assembled for  the  invasion.  In  no  other  conquered  country,  not  even  in  Poland, had  the  Germans  begun  with  such  a drastic  step.  Brauchitsch’s instructions  were  headed  “Orders  Concerning  the  Organization  and  Function of  Military  Government  in  England”  and  went  into  considerable  detail. They  seem  designed  to  ensure  the  systematic  plunder  of  the  island and  the  terrorization  of  its  inhabitants.  A special  “Military  Economic Staff  England”  was  set  up  on  July  27  to  achieve  the  first  aim.  Everything but  normal  household  stocks  was  to  be  confiscated  at  once.  Hostages would  be  taken.  Anybody  posting  a placard  the  Germans  didn’t  like would  be  liable  to  immediate  execution,  and  a similar  penalty  was  provided for  those  who  failed  to  turn  in  firearms  or  radio  sets  within  twenty four  hours.

Actually,  already  in  August  Heydrich  had  organized  six  Einsatzkommando  for  Britain  which  were  to  operate  from  headquarters  in  London, Bristol,  Birmingham,  Liverpool,  Manchester  and  Edinburgh — or  in  Glasgow, if  the  Forth  Bridge  was  found  blown  up.  They  were  to  carry  out  Nazi terror;  to  begin  with,  they  were  to  arrest  all  those  on  the  “Special  Search List,  G.B.  [Great  Britain],”  which  in  May  had  been  hurriedly  and  care- lessly compiled  by  Walter  Schellenberg,  another  one  of  Himmler’s  bright young  university  graduates,  who  was  then  chief  of  Amt  (Bureau)  IV  E— Counterespionage — of  R.S.H.A.  Or  so  Schellenberg  later  claimed,  though at  this  time  he  was  mainly  occupied  in  Lisbon,  Portugal,  on  a bizarre mission  to  kidnap  the  Duke  of  Windsor.

(Page 783)

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This  Nazi  Black  Book  actually  formed  a supplement  to  a supposedly highly  secret  handbook  called  Informationsheft,  which  Schellenberg  also claims  to  have  written,  and  whose  purpose  seems  to  have  been  to  aid  the conquerors  in  looting  Britain  and  stamping  out  anti-German  institutions there.  It  is  even  more  amusing  than  the  Search  List.  Among  the  dangerous institutions,  besides  the  Masonic  lodges  and  Jewish  organizations, which  deserved  “special  attention”  by  R.S.H.A.,  were  the  “public  schools” (in  England,  the  private  schools),  the  Church  of  England,  which  was  described as  “a  powerful  tool  of  British  imperial  politics,”  and  the  Boy Scouts,  which  was  put  down  as  “an  excellent  source  of  information  for  the British  Intelligence  Service.”  Its  revered  leader  and  founder,  Lord  Baden Powell,  was  to  be  immediately  arrested.

(Page 784)

Another information about how the British people will got treated if Hitler succeed on invade Britain. See this information below.

 
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The Nazis also had plans for the deportation and enslavement of 50% of Britain's adult male population in the event of a successful invasion.[26]

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War_II

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Title: Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
Post by: rp on November 16, 2022, 12:11:42 pm
Rightist WW2 vet stumps for Trump:
https://youtu.be/LQUDjt1kqeo

Imagine how many more like him there would be if D-Day didn't happen