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Title: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: guest5 on January 31, 2021, 03:20:14 pm
Is Counterculture Still Alive?
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We talk to Jordi Costa and Germán Labrador about the historical roots of counterculture and its current situation.
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It is curious how it adapts in very creative and different ways in each country. Jordi, in your book you provide examples of symbiosis, encounters and coincidences that are very bizarre for people unfamiliar with the subject. Did the underground penetrate in Spain in a special way?
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Let’s talk about the present. Do you think, Germán, that forms of underground, of counterculture, exist around us?
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G: Yes of course. There is graffiti, music, association networks, cooperatives, all of them typically countercultural. The 15M wave was countercultural and had a global dimension. The movements of 2011 can also be thought of as cultural revolutions. Radical solidarity networks, clandestine dining rooms, hacktivists, movements such as 15MpaRato, the green and white tides. In the global boom of feminism today we also see tensions typical of a counterculture that is becoming hegemonic. Vegans, animal rights defenders, degrowthers, extinctionists, Fridays for Future, etc. Also, those that are concerned with global diasporas. Today they are, and are going to be, the countercultural revolution that is pending.
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G: Trap and other similar sounds do not originate from this activist universe. But they do come from a nearby territory. This is the music of the children of the crisis of 2012. Of that 20% of children at risk of social exclusion. They were invisible and they made themselves visible with their music. Neighbourhood kids, condemned to contemporary forms of poverty, in a precarised and rarefied environment. But they are coming armed, they have immense cultural riches. They are the children of immigration, of multiculturalism, of access to Internet and to do-it-yourself. Self-taught, they learned to be disk jockeys, to rap, to compose, to promote themselves, to organise their own concerts, their own brands…

J: Trap is one of those territories that the view of some children of counterculture underestimates due to purely generational prejudices. Music critics who disqualify trap for its technical execution and excellence follow Social-democratic Taste. I think it is important to underline that it’s not strictly necessary to come from activism in order to have countercultural potential: it’s sufficient to formulate the discourse from the elements, from the life force… In the Spain of the 1970s, counterculture and political resistance walked together under the Franco regime: once democracy arrived, counterculture turned into that chaotic dirtiness that the left needed to either tame or hide under the carpet. The case of Rosalía is different: she is an artiste who seems to have understood to perfection the mechanics of the market in order to infiltrate them and manage to articulate her own discourse, which is perfectly legitimate but not necessarily countercultural. Moreover, without any desire to share out countercultural membership cards, a writer such as Cristina Morales, with a fierce discourse against the hegemonic and made of countercultural mettle, is taking advantage of the cash award of the National Literature Prize in order to continue creating in freedom.
http://lab.cccb.org/en/is-counterculture-still-alive/
Title: The inferiority of Kpop
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 12, 2021, 02:47:22 am
(You knew I was going to get back round to this topic eventually.....)

In a recent casual conversation, an observation emerged that Kpop (a post-Counterculture phenomenon) is invariably performed by gender-segregated groups, either all-female (inferiority warning!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBnGBb1wg98

or all-male (inferiority warning!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0iPB_JyS5g

to the extent that young people today unfamiliar with Counterculture-era music videos seem to take gender-segregated performance for granted, and are even unaware that non-gender-segregated performances used to be considered normal (crushing superiority alert!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHA3mOYPyEg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXPgrCd1qUA

Additionally, back then sexual dimorphism was not emphasized whether by the performers themselves or by the director/editor. Once again, this shows how much less gender-obsessed people used to be back in the old days. (The absence of plastic surgery also helps.) This is to say nothing of the superiority of the songs themselves.....
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: guest5 on March 12, 2021, 08:24:28 pm
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Getting creative with some flute loops, raps, turntablism and some fancy war dancing.
Cinematography - Samuel Jerome Jay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuoynYcUMvw
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Lyrics:
Peace to all my people around the world, across the block/
(Apsáalooke language) "My name is "Good Fortune on Mother Earth"
reporting live from the universe/ it's the First Nations emcee/
you could do the search/who's been through the worse/surviving genocide/fighting for a better life/they try to set aside/the true history/and keep us mystical/ they say they founded this country on biblical principals?/ It's so cynical/but I'm an analyst/ it's murderous/they refer to us as merciless/ indian savages/ now that's written in the declaration of independence, that's no kidding/hey/open up your heart and let love lead the way/light your path with the words that I speak today/let the lessons flow/arrive and bless ya soul/systematic racism/alive, intentional/ know better do better is the motto/ it's that good medicine, a hard pill to swallow
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 12, 2021, 10:42:54 pm
The feathers are unacceptable.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: guest5 on March 12, 2021, 11:00:01 pm
The feathers are unacceptable.

Even if he picked them up off the ground? I noticed his Western wedding band on his "ring finger" too....
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 12, 2021, 11:23:56 pm
Even if these particular feathers involved no initiated violence, wearing them could send a signal that feathers are acceptable, and then the next guy may initiate violence to obtain feathers.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on April 06, 2021, 01:01:55 am
Why Satanic Panic never really ended
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The collective fears that consumed the US in the 1980s and ’90s are still alive and well — all the way through QAnon and beyond.
https://www.vox.com/culture/22358153/satanic-panic-ritual-abuse-history-conspiracy-theories-explained?utm_source=pocket-newtab
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Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: guest5 on April 07, 2021, 11:10:22 pm
Bonus:

R.A. The Rugged Man - Montero (Lil Nas X Remix)
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R.A. The Rugged Man is back with another surprise remix.  After reworking tracks from the likes of Miley Cyrus, Taylor Swift, and Cardi B, the underground hip-hop icon now wreaks havoc on Lil Nas X's controversial hit single "Montero".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5eUM_A1Dcqo
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Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: guest5 on April 11, 2021, 10:04:22 pm
The Pirate Radio Broadcaster Who Occupied Alcatraz and Terrified the FBI
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Over fifty years ago, John Trudell overcame tragedy to become the national voice for Native Americans—and a model for a new generation of activists.
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a smiling man speaking into a microphone

Trudell had one thing the FBI could not stop: his voice. Image by Michelle Vignes/Gamma-Rapho, via Getty Images

He sat at the same table each evening, sometimes with lighting and sometimes without, a cigarette often in hand, a guest always by his side. In the background, the sound of waves rolling against the rocks and the stuttering of a backup generator were constants. Then, with a crackly yet true radio connection, streaming through the wires from an unthinkable place — Alcatraz Island — he began speaking in a calm, determined voice. The nation was listening.

In the Pacifica Radio Archives, located in a modest brick building in North Hollywood, you can hear what hundreds of thousands of Americans heard on those evenings.File through the cassettes and you will find more than a dozen tapes labeled with a single word: Alcatraz. Each is followed by a date, anywhere from December 1969 to August 1970.

But these were not simply programs about Alcatraz, that island in the notoriously frigid San Francisco Bay that was home to a federal prison until it closed in 1963. Rather, they were broadcast from the former prison building itself, from a small cell without heat and only a lone generator for power rumbling in the background.

The show was called Radio Free Alcatraz , and it was hosted by John Trudell, a Santee Sioux Native American activist and broadcaster.

By the winter of 1969, Trudell could be found in that austere cell, speaking over the rush of waves in a composed Midwestern accent. And by 1973, he had become one of the FBI’s most feared activists, with a file that would eventually run longer than 1,000 pages.

Why would the FBI compose its longest dossier about a broadcaster speaking from a rocky island a mile offshore? What was Trudell saying that frightened them so much?

Trudell was advocating for Native American self-determination, explaining its moral and political importance to all Americans. On air, he often revealed the innumerable ways the government was violating Native American rights: obstructing fishing access in Washington State, setting unfair prices on tribal lands, removing Native American children from local schools. But he didn’t just reveal the cruel contradictions at the heart of American society. He imagined a future in which equality — between different American cultures, and between all people and the earth itself — would become a reality

And for the first time, non–Native American communities were listening. More than 100,000 people tuned in to Pacifica stations in California, Texas and New York to hear his weekly broadcast.

At just 23 years old, with long brown hair and hanging earrings, Trudell had one thing the FBI could not stop: his voice.

Trudell’s story begins in the autumn of 1969, when a group of Native American activists, known as the Indians of All Tribes (IOAT), began contesting centuries of injustice by seeking to reclaim unoccupied lands. The organization pointed to the 1868 Treaty of Fort Laramie, which provided that all surplus federal land be returned to native tribes. IOAT set its eyes on Alcatraz, a symbolic beacon just past the Golden Gate Bridge. It had been unoccupied since President Kennedy closed the federal prison in 1963.

By inhabiting the 12 acres of Alcatraz, IOAT hoped to set a precedent for the reclamation of hundreds of thousands of unclaimed acres across the United States. But there was an obstacle: a hawkish government. Each time IOAT tried to reach Alcatraz — even making attempts to swim — the Coast Guard blocked their passage.

That all changed on the night of November 20. Under the cover of darkness and a dense blanket of fog, 79 activists from more than 20 tribes sailed from Sausalito across the frigid bay and settled on the island. Over Coast Guard radio, the sole caretaker of Alcatraz could be heard shouting, “Mayday, Mayday. The Indians have landed!” Despite his calls, the government’s response was delayed; the activists, many with their families and children, were safe. A gathering was held that night at 2 a.m., the old prison barracks were set up as homes, and food was lifted in fishing nets. Governing teams were also established.

Onshore allies knew the landing had succeeded when they saw a bright yellow Morse code message blinking through the mist: “Go Indians!” Back on Alcatraz, the children of the activists shrieked with excitement and clambered around the precipices of their new home.

John Trudell was not on those initial voyages. At the time, he had just returned from deployment in Vietnam, enrolled in San Bernardino Valley College, and moved in with his girlfriend, Fenicia Lou Ordonez. When he learned of the landing on Alcatraz, he suggested they join in.

“I get cold feet,” Fenicia protested, according to a scene in director Heather Rae’s 2005 documentary Trudell.

“Well, you’ll have to find socks,” said Trudell.

Expecting to join for only a few weeks, they packed sleeping bags, headed six hours north, and hitched a ride across the emerald bay on one of the IOAT-operated vessels, many of which were typically used for fishing and shipping.

What was once a treacherous journey with fierce Coast Guard resistance was now readily accessible, but not because the government had become any more benevolent. Rather, the activists’ tactic of establishing a critical mass on the island, and showing the nation why it was deservedly theirs, had succeeded. Fearing a public backlash, federal authorities called off the Coast Guard from intervening in these voyages.

Soon after docking on the island, Trudell attended the daily island meeting of IOAT leaders and tribal heads. He pointed out that if they truly wanted to make a case for the Native American right to reclaim unused land, they urgently needed to reshape the narrative. On his drive to the Bay Area, Trudell had seen national papers like The New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle running stories portraying the occupation as a Native American theft — rather than a reclamation of what was stolen from them.

Trudell had spent the previous university semester studying radio and television production, and he felt that it was time, as he said in a 1969 interview, “to put into practice a little of what I had picked up at school.” He returned to San Bernardino for provisions, then returned to live on the island. He asked himself: “How would the tribes communicate best, and make their message known?”

His answer would take the occupiers’ message across the country and change the way Americans thought about the injustices perpetrated against native peoples.

If you lived in Northern California and tuned into KPFA-FM at 7:15 p.m. on December 22, 1969, or if you lived in New York City and tuned to WBAI-FM at 10:15 p.m., you would not get standard national news or updates about the moon landing.

Rather, you’d hear twangy guitar chords ushering in the voice of Buffy Sainte-Marie, who crooned a nostalgic ballad for Native American ways: “Now That the Buffalo’s Gone.”

The song was followed by an announcement.

“Good evening, and welcome to Radio Free Alcatraz . This is John Trudell, welcoming you on behalf of the Indians of All Tribes, from Indian Land Alcatraz Island.”

For the next 30 minutes, Trudell led conversations with Native American activists, spiritualists and students — many of whom were living on the island, visiting as volunteers, or ferrying supplies. It was called Radio Free Alcatraz , and Trudell typically began episodes by describing challenges on the island. There were many: Alcatraz had shaky electricity, a dearth of clean water, and it was frequently hit by strong offshore storms.

“It’s been a hassle lately with our electricity,” Trudell said one night at the beginning of a Radio Free Alcatraz show. “We had a power failure on Friday. … We didn’t have any power at all. And Saturday, we were stranded on the island because of bad weather.”

Despite these immediate challenges, Trudell — often clad in a wide-collared button-down underneath an emblazoned leather jacket — spoke both with the equanimity of a captain reporting to headquarters and the kindness of a good friend.

In an interview with KPFA hostAl Silbowitzin December 1969, Trudell sketched a portrait of life on the island and outlined the purpose of the occupation. While many watching from the shore had been amazed by the movement’s courage and ability to survive on the rocky island, Trudell wanted the non–Native American audience to know: This struggle was not unique to this moment. It was experienced daily by native tribes everywhere.

But what was unique, and urgent for all people to recognize, was that the activists’ intention with Alcatraz was to reshape the narrative and the oppressive course of history. As Trudell says in the interview, “Alcatraz is more than just a rock to us. It’s a stepping-stone to a better future. We have a chance to unite the American Indian people as they never had the opportunity to do.”

More often than not, however, Trudell’s primary role was not that of orator but rather of generous mediator, determined to animate Native American voices and convey a sense of hope born from their struggle. The heart of the program was his intimate voice — masterful at revealing the aspirational humanity that defined the movement, while outlining the enduring goal of activists to construct a university and Native American cultural center.

Trudell was not just a broadcaster: He was one of the unsung American forefathers of what we now call socially impactful publicity, or strategic communications. He already knew that for activists to succeed, it was not enough to campaign. They had to shape national consciousness.

On the night of December 28, his guest was Jonny BearCub, a member of the Fort Peck Assiniboine and Sioux Tribes. Trudell opened with a question: “How are things on your reservation? Would you explain — what tribe are you with, and where is it at?”

Jonny raised concerns about the unjust allocation of federal funds to her reservation and revealed the low wages factory workers were receiving at a firearm production plant there.

“It happened in Palm Springs too,” said Trudell, drawing a connection, as he so often did, between a local complaint and a national one. “At one point, the Natives there were each worth $329,000 dollars a person. Then the BIA, or Bureau of Indian Affairs, stepped in and determined many of them incompetent to handle their affairs, so they put this money in trust with white people, who got fantastically wealthy.”

As an activist, Trudell’s role was often that of raconteur. He didn’t just tell about injustice. He relayed stories that showed it, and he had faith that Americans everywhere, having heard these stories, would do the right thing.

On January 5, 1970, just six weeks into the occupation, the 13-year-old daughter of Richard Oakes, one of the movement’s founders, fell to her death from a third-story window. Oakes, in immense grief, left the island. The child’s death, and his departure, were a blow to a community that was becoming increasingly disorderly and plagued by internal strife, as rumors mounted that the U.S. Marshals might raid the island at any time. But Trudell did not falter.

His was a voice of constancy, offering a lighthouse for a movement troubled at sea. “This is John Trudell from Radio Free Alcatraz , wishing you all a pleasant evening.”

Tragedy was not new to Trudell. It was a foundational part of his family history.

In the early 1900s, Trudell’s grandmother had been kidnapped by Pancho Villa’s men from her tribe in Chihuahua, Mexico, and brought to the U.S. She eventually settled down in Kansas with Trudell’s grandfather, a man with a price on his head for his involvement in the Mexican Revolution. A few years later, the couple had a daughter, who, after moving to Nebraska, fell in love with a Santee Sioux native, Clifford Trudell. The couple married and had John, born in a hospital close to the reservation in Omaha, on February 15, 1946.

John grew up on and around the Santee reservation in North Dakota. Life felt wholesome; the reservation offered respite from the civil commotion and disarray that characterized U.S. cities, while providing sources of ritual and community. But those rather innocent early years ended abruptly at the age of 6, when Trudell’s mother died in childbirth.

“We visited her, my father and I, in this hospital,” Trudell said in an interview recorded in the early 2000s. “I remember she gave me grapes — green grapes. She hugged me; she kissed me. And then it was time to go. I didn’t see her anymore.”

He paused, and spoke again, his still-powerful voice as soft and singsongy as a child’s.

“Green,” he said. “Time to go.”

In the early 1950s, John enrolled in school off the reservation, where he confronted a Western culture indifferent to his spiritual understandings and offering few answers to his enduring questions. He often asked, literally, “Where had my mother gone?” He learned about the Christian God and heaven from classmates and teachers. But these concepts never resonated with him. How could he trust a religion that was upheld by a culture that was threatening the lives of his tribe and Native American people everywhere?

“You have potential,” Trudell heard one day in the principal’s office. “But you have to work harder if you want to be something.” Trudell didn’t care for the patronizing tone, and he knew he already was something. He longed to escape a school that seemed to stifle, not teach.

He soon found a way, enlisting in the Navy during the early days of the Vietnam War. He spent his deployment far from the jungle battlefields, bobbing in the waters off of Saigon, watching the stunning kaleidoscopic sunsets and meditating on the fate of his people.

In 1971, the occupation was more than a year old, and the federal government began plotting to end it. In late May, they shut Ioff electricity and cut off all radio service on the island, ending Trudell’s broadcasts. The population on the island plummeted as water became increasingly difficult to access. Meanwhile, factions and power struggles began emerging within the occupiers; some wanted to hire an attorney to represent their claims. Others, including Trudell, believed self-representation was the only honest way forward.

When government agents raided Alcatraz on June 11, there were only 15 people remaining on the island. It is unknown whether Trudell was among them, but one thing was clear: Though the occupation was officially finished, Trudell was just getting started. His next fight would be with the FBI.

“He’s extremely eloquent, and therefore extremely dangerous,” reads a line in Trudell’s FBI dossier. They had no idea that the even greater danger lay in a deeper kind of power: his power to reveal inequality and injustice while appealing to natural liberty.

After the occupation, Trudell became the chairman and national spokesperson of the American Indian Movement (AIM) and fell in love with a prominent Native American activist, Tina Manning. They married in 1972 and often traveled and gave speeches together. Meanwhile, Trudell galvanized AIM through protests, most notably the 1973 campaign to reclaim Wounded Knee village from tribal chairman Richard Wilson, who was notorious for suppressing political opponents and failing to act in the best interests of the reservation.

Trudell’s oratory prowess transformed the grassroots movement into a national effort. But this time, he used it not to communicate to outsiders, but rather to organize disparate tribes.

It worked. Thousands of activists gathered at Wounded Knee, the site of a massacre of Native Americans by U.S. Calvary in 1890, which now had symbolic power. The FBI and federal marshals soon moved in. Clashes were deadly.
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Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: guest5 on May 23, 2021, 10:11:34 pm
Teen Punk Rockers "Racist Sexist Boy" Goes Viral
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Teen punk rockers, The Linda Lindas, are going viral with their original song "Racist Sexist Boy." Cenk Uygur, Wosny Lambre, and Bridget Todd discuss on The Young Turks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYBsfqax1SI
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: Blue Kumul on February 08, 2022, 08:00:04 am
Some parts of the Counterculture are alive:
-anti-racism
-environmentalism
-sexual liberation
-LGBT rights
-radical feminism
-yoga and meditation became mainstream

Other are not:
-being skeptical about economic technological growth
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: Blue Kumul on February 08, 2022, 09:40:48 am
Youth worship typical of Counterculture is gone. Entertainment and advertising are now more focused on people in their 30s. "Adult negativity" and positive attitude to teenage rebellion are less widespread.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 07, 2022, 02:13:40 am
I suddenly remembered that in the Orochi saga of the KOF series, the villains had their moves written in Cyrillic:

https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Hakkesshu

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The Four Heavenly Kings of Orochi (オロチ四天王, Orochi Shiten-ō) are the four strongest warriors in the Hakkesshu among The Eight Heads. They control elements of nature, possess some of Orochi's original abilities, and can activate the Riot of the Blood in people who are susceptible to it, and/or use the state for themselves. Orochi can probably incarnate in them, as he did with Chris. All of their moves are all written using the Cyrillic alphabet.
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Except for certain characters, the movesets of all Orochi-awakened versions of the Hakkeshu (and even Orochi itself) are almost always written in Cyrillic, which is a Russian/Slavic writing script. There are currently no explanations as to why this is used, whether in-universe or from SNK.

See the move lists here:

http://you.lolipop.jp/s/kof/kof97/orochi.html

Low-key anti-Turanism was almost a standard side attitude back in those days. The BGM of their stage is also a good reflection of what we thought of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzyf11a24b0
Title: Re: Random Thoughts....
Post by: SirGalahad on December 03, 2022, 04:11:18 pm
I came across a quote online from a book that I think encapsulates how @90sRetroFan feels about their era perfectly:

“History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshit, but even without being sure of “history” it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time—and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened. … There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave.

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.”

Essentially, this whole passage can be boiled down to the tagline of our Counterculture Era thread: “when western civilization was meant to have died peacefully”

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Even though I was born right at the second millennium, so the post-9/11 world is really the only world that I truly know, and this book quote is referring to the counterculture of the 60s, I sometimes keep myself awake longer than I should be by going on a 90s kick. Honestly, this current era well and truly terrifies me. There’s something so isolating about how the internet has managed to fit itself into our society. Almost every place that human beings used to congregate in the flesh is now dead or dying because of the internet. Even monuments to western consumerism like malls are in zombified, decrepit states almost everywhere. The functions that these places used to provide can largely be accessed through online services. The grocery store is really the only place that people actually go to on a regular basis anymore, and even then, grocery stores were never used for interacting with people. Things are only going to get worse as VR technology improves. There will soon come a time where not only will we spend most of our time in total isolation, but even when we do “leave the house”, it’ll be for virtual environments surrounded by virtual people

Sometimes, I wish that we were all born at the same time, going to the same schools. Doesn’t even have to be in the 90s, although it’d be pretty sweet for all of us, including the 2000s babies, to relive 90sRetroFan’s youth. If the best of us had all been given the chance to grow up together and support each other, I have no doubt that tens of novels could have been written about what we would’ve gotten up to, and I probably would have cherished those memories my whole life.

But the reality is that life often robs us of romantic lives and leaves us with bland or even terrible youths. My reality was that I spent my youth almost completely alone save for the biological family that I didn’t ask for, because I found it hard to socialize like everybody else and always felt misunderstood. I can’t really describe in words how much it hurts my heart sometimes when I think about how I’m here, in this world that sets such low expectations for how people should be and how life should be, instead of in that world that I sometimes experience every once in a while, where I’m having a dream that I don’t wanna wake up from. I don’t really know any of you on a personal level. We’re all just text tied to usernames at this point. But my interactions with the people here have been more meaningful than almost every real life interaction I’ve had in my entire life.

@90sRetroFan, and the others, thanks for being here. I’m not so sure I would’ve made it here and came to the same conclusions about the world, had that website not been written
Title: Re: Re: Random Thoughts....
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 03, 2022, 05:53:54 pm
"There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave."

Yes, this really was how it felt back then.

"I sometimes keep myself awake longer than I should be by going on a 90s kick."

Please feel welcome to share/review stuff you have watched or ask for suggestions on what to watch next! This is one thing I intended the Counterculture era forum to be for, and so far it has been underused in this capacity!

"it’d be pretty sweet for all of us, including the 2000s babies, to relive 90sRetroFan’s youth."

Let's do it right here! I'm ready whenever anyone else is!

Here is an early Christmas present for you:

https://mangatoto.com/chapter/390142
Title: Re: Re: Random Thoughts....
Post by: SirGalahad on December 03, 2022, 07:29:57 pm
Thank you! I might have to read the rest of that. That chapter made a pretty good first impression. As for what spurred me to type out that long message, I have to come clean and admit that it was from rewatching that one live action Casper movie from 1995 last night:

https://youtu.be/33Ioa89EfNk

It doesn’t really have an important message to tell, but I remember watching this movie a long time ago when I was a kid, and being smitten by the ending. I also remember being frustrated at the forced trade-off of using the Lazarus to revive her dad instead of to give Casper a second chance at life, even when I was little. For some reason, I find bitter-sweet endings more depressing than purely sad ones. And the nostalgia combined with that feeling, put me in a weird headspace for the rest of that night and most of today, hence why I started looking back at stuff from my own childhood and from the 90s, and typed out that long message

And then, on the other hand, you have “romance” movies like Her, where the main premise is that some adulterated man falls in love with an AI. That movie kind of grosses me out, because the man who’s supposed to be the protagonist can only seem to connect with women, including the AI, through sex. I.E., the protagonist isn’t romantic at all. He’s not even likable. He suffers from the same thing that a lot of male protagonists in romance movies do: He’s nothing more than a bland stand-in that’s “relatable” (generic and adulterated) enough that most other men can self-insert themselves into the story. And it doesn’t help that the world is basically a dystopia, so you can’t even really enjoy the movie because it hits too close to home with how the near future is portrayed

I’d definitely be willing to take some suggestions. What do you consider mandatory watching and reading material, if I were to retrace your steps with the stuff that has gripped you from your youth and never really left?
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 05, 2022, 10:52:41 pm
Have you played the original Mike Tyson's Punch-Out for the NES? It's a worthwhile experience to complete the game at least once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF4qt6ce0Mo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D28evyhvKTI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciJMU8ALP0w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPMdts5p9tA


Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: SirGalahad on December 07, 2022, 08:05:08 pm
I don't know if any of you here like this kind of genre, but I recently found this song from a band that I like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ2f1txmG6o

"Woe to the strong who misuse their strength. Woe to the hunter, for they shall be hunted" - Jesus, Gospel of the Holy Twelve

Almost definitely a coincidence, but a very welcome one. And yes, the band itself is vegan. They started in the 90s and are still making music to this day. I can't adequately express just how much I respect people who were proudly vegan back when virtually nobody else was, and when eating plant-based was so much harder and "less convenient". Voice of the Voiceless is another good song by them about the same topic. Bonus song by another entirely separate band, if you jive more with punk than metal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nVoi735qv8
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: SA (Still Alive) on December 18, 2022, 05:51:52 am
Some media that hasn't been purged:
https://www.bitchute.com/channel/xLtCTpRua5Zb/
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: guest78 on January 18, 2023, 10:39:12 pm
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Watchmen is an American superhero drama limited series based on the 1986 DC Comics series of the same title created by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons. The TV series was created for HBO by Damon Lindelof, who also served as an executive producer and writer. Its ensemble cast includes Regina King, Don Johnson, Tim Blake Nelson, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, Andrew Howard, Jacob Ming-Trent, Tom Mison, Sara Vickers, Dylan Schombing, Louis Gossett Jr. and Jeremy Irons. Jean Smart and Hong Chau joined the cast in later episodes.

Lindelof likened the television series to a "remix" of the original comic series. While the series is technically a sequel that takes place 34 years after the events of the comics within the same alternate reality, Lindelof wanted to introduce new characters and conflicts which created a new story within the Watchmen continuity, rather than creating a reboot. The series focuses on events surrounding racist violence in present-day Tulsa, Oklahoma. A white supremacist group called the Seventh Kavalry has taken up arms against the Tulsa Police Department because of perceived racial injustices, causing the police to conceal their identities with masks to prevent the Seventh Kavalry from targeting them in their homes following the "White Night". Angela Abar (King), a detective known as Sister Night, investigates the murder of her friend and the chief of the police, Judd Crawford (Johnson), and discovers secrets regarding the situations around vigilantism...
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Premise

The series takes place 34 years after the events of the comic series. In the comic's alternate history of the 20th century, vigilantes, once seen as heroes, were outlawed due to their violent methods. In 1985, Adrian Veidt, formerly known as the vigilante Ozymandias, launched a false flag attack on New York City by creating an alien-looking squid monster which resulted in millions in the New York area being killed; this forced the nations to work together against a common threat, averting world war and a nuclear holocaust. Veidt's actions horrified his former companions, with Rorschach planning to tell the world what really happened before being vaporized by Doctor Manhattan, who then left the planet. Unbeknownst to Manhattan, Rorschach had already sent his journal detailing the events to the local newspaper.

The series is set in 2019 Tulsa, Oklahoma. The Seventh Kavalry, a white supremacist group inspired by Rorschach's writings and masked image (having misinterpreted his journal as a racist manifesto), wages violent war against minorities and the police that enforce special reparations for victims of racial injustice. On Christmas Eve 2016, during an event that came to be known as the "White Night", the Kavalry attacked the homes of 40 police officers working for the Tulsa Police Department.[1] Of those who survived, only two stayed with the force: Detective Angela Abar and Police Chief Judd Crawford.[2] As the police force was rebuilt, laws were passed that required police to not disclose their profession and to protect their identities while on the job by wearing masks, which included allowing for costumed police officers. As Crawford's police force attempts to crack down on the Seventh Kavalry, Abar finds herself at the center of two competing plots to kidnap Doctor Manhattan, who has been working with Hooded Justice, the original masked hero and survivor of the Tulsa massacre...[3]

In episode 2:
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In World War I, O.B., a soldier in the American army, pockets a piece of German propaganda challenging their racial equality (in the U.S.)...

The villain is a westerner!:
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[...]Meanwhile, the lord unsuccessfully tests a protective suit with a Phillips clone. He hunts down a bison for its thicker hide, but is stopped by the "Game Warden", who later writes to remind him of the terms of his imprisonment. The lord responds in a letter acknowledging these terms, signing it as Adrian Veidt and goes out to hunt again in his Ozymandias outfit...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen_(TV_series)

Lord Veidt:

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(https://legendary-digital-network-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/13074857/Adrian-Veidt.jpg)

(https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/ozymandias-adrian-veidt-watchmen-1571431785.jpg?crop=0.486xw:0.973xh;0.514xw,0&resize=1200:*)

(https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/665f67085bd6f165f10f8f458ba4dfeb4b71cc358105a5a1a6f0c42e3dcd27ce1fb0a6ce2d5d075a35bb5fb4d12d4b29.jpg)
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 08, 2023, 08:39:04 pm
Here is an excellent example of how even the simplest 2D animation achieves character expressiveness that 3D animation will never come close to no matter how detailed it becomes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t_eh2Y4sD8
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 14, 2023, 07:32:45 pm
What exactly is spirit?
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 14, 2023, 08:43:26 pm
"What in today's time would you say works like radio, TV and CD stores where the person runs it for the viewers?"

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/

At least I'm trying to gradually build it up to becoming so.

"What exactly is spirit?"

The thing which has been trapped in the material world.

Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 14, 2023, 09:46:40 pm
How do you find it in art? Is 'groove' a good word to describe it? If so, then I would definitely see better on what you mean.

The ancient strokes were fast so it gave more personality. Perfume's music is completely unnatural and could've been better as an Techno-pop song if it was made DAWless or with a band. Chinen's music, like the calligraphy, has that groove. Drill, like Perfume's music, is also artificial. Don't get me started on the overly practiced complex Classical music that Romantic composers like Wagner needed to simplify. Also that urban dancing had more individualism until there were synchronized dance crews popularized by ABDC. I also loved how each couple in Soul Train here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg2449/#msg2449

were putting their own personal spin on the dancing they shared. And how, seeing all the dancers, this dance wasn't too practiced:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg6484/#msg6484

And even when there were choreographies that needed practice for a country (at the time) ran by Xi (second video):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg10956/#msg10956

it's still an easy dance to follow along. Wagner's Parsifal was also pretty simple in a field where he needed orchestration.

I hope I was getting it.

"At least I'm trying to gradually build it up to becoming so."

I applaud you for that.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 14, 2023, 11:28:14 pm
"How do you find it in art?"

I don't think it is possible to describe in words. It would be like trying to describe a colour in words. I can at best offer examples of otherwise dissimilar things which are of that same colour, and someone (who is not colourblind) looking at that set of things can thus understand the common property I am referring to.

"Is 'groove' a good word to describe it?"

To me groove refers more to getting into the optimal psychological state for doing art, which all serious artists try to do before/during working. But there are many possible grooves, including many anti-spiritual ones
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 15, 2023, 08:12:06 am
Maybe 'groove' is not the word for spirit. Maybe 'personality' or 'individualism'?
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 15, 2023, 08:38:38 am
Also, I would love to see two songs of the same genre with one of them having spirit, as well as two different genres but with the same spirit.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 15, 2023, 02:55:19 pm
"Here is an excellent example of how even the simplest 2D animation achieves character expressiveness that 3D animation will never come close to no matter how detailed it becomes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t_eh2Y4sD8
"

Is this what you mean by spirit? I can see how the character's emotion as well as the artist's imagination, and all the music needed was the basic instruments, while instruments like the brass and bell were there for musical narration and not for style or skill.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 15, 2023, 08:05:59 pm
"Maybe 'personality' or 'individualism'?"

It is possible to have an anti-spiritual personality or be an anti-spiritual individual.

Why are you trying so hard to find another word for it anyway? Even if you succeed, synonyms are not understanding. Violet is another word for purple. Does it improve our understanding of that colour?

"I would love to see two songs of the same genre with one of them having spirit"

https://www.bilibili.tv/en/video/2048354328

Track 3 (starts 9:07, listen to it first) and Track 2 (starts 4:14) were both candidates for an image song of the same show. Of course Track 2 got the job.

"Is this what you mean by spirit?"

That was about the superiority of 2D over 3D animation. But spiritless 2D animation is also possible.

Also, please link to the original post when reposting videos.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 15, 2023, 09:59:43 pm
"Also, please link to the original post when reposting videos."

It was in this topic. This was the link:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg18787/#msg18787

"Why are you trying so hard to find another word for it anyway?"

I'm trying to understand what you mean by spirit.

"It is possible to have an anti-spiritual personality or be an anti-spiritual individual."

Isn't nobility able to be destroyed by material, therefore not their true personality?

"https://www.bilibili.tv/en/video/2048354328"

The video doesn't play in my area. Sorry :(
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 16, 2023, 09:02:55 am
"The video doesn't play in my area. Sorry :("

But now that I looked up the album's tracklist and searched Tracks 2 and 3 I can comment.

Track 2 (Sayonara no Memai) did seem more sincere and free, while Track 3 (Kinsei Densetsu) seemed more stiff with more SFX.

I think I see where you're getting. Thank you.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 16, 2023, 04:31:19 pm
"Isn't nobility able to be destroyed by material, therefore not their true personality?"

I don't understand your question.

Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 16, 2023, 04:35:58 pm
Nevermind.

But I hope to know if I'm understating your taste.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 16, 2023, 05:48:26 pm
Even if I were to try to describe my own taste myself, it would still be an understatement. This is inherent to the limitations of language. (The reason why lyrics are so expressive is because setting words to music enables the music to convey some of the intended meaning that the words alone cannot.)

Only the insensitive consider language to be satisfactory for communication. The sensitive are aware that language is in fact yet another prison. (One of the differences between humans and AI is that humans have experiences of a pre-language past (a.k.a infancy), whereas AI does not. Unfortunately (and contrary to what I assumed as a child), very few humans are able to remember their own pre-language past, so perhaps AI isn't really that different than most humans in practice! In fact, this might explain why AI is humanist by default, as rp noted here: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg18819/#msg18819 )
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 16, 2023, 06:05:16 pm
*Understanding.

I'm guessing I'm not.
Title: Re: How do I recover my Original Nobility?
Post by: HikariDude on April 16, 2023, 07:12:04 pm
I just want to be sure if I'm understanding your recommendations of non-western artwork. I don't care about lyrics in music. I can spot it without it. Maybe if you want, you can show me two different music that are similarly high in spirit.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 16, 2023, 09:56:16 pm
"I don't care about lyrics in music."

That's another difference between us, then. Lyrics are very important to me. The same melody with different lyrics changes the effect of the song completely for me. The same lyrics put to different melodies also do not feel the same.

"two different music that are similarly high in spirit."

I'm not sure that it is quantifiable. It's like asking for "two similarly funny jokes".
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 16, 2023, 10:14:55 pm
"That's another difference between us, then. Lyrics are very important to me."

I guess I've stopped caring for lyrics ever since I started listening to foreign music. I used to pay attention to so much detail, but then it stopped more material went in my life. So if I thought like an anti-materialist, this would be my favorite music:

(https://em-content.zobj.net/source/skype/289/muted-speaker_1f507.png)

this would be my favorite visual art:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Solid_black.svg/2048px-Solid_black.svg.png)

and this would be my favorite piece of literature:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Empty_book.jpg/1280px-Empty_book.jpg)
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: SirGalahad on April 16, 2023, 11:50:28 pm
@90sRetroFan I care about lyrics a lot too. I don’t really listen to instrumental music all that much, unless it’s really good or strikes a chord with me for whatever reason. But that might be partially because I have a weird relationship with music. I have maladaptive daydreaming, so I like to listen to music with lyrics that are relevant to whatever I’m thinking about or wanting to fantasize about at the time. It’s honestly a bad habit that I should probably shake off at some point, because there’s no use fantasizing about versions of myself that I’d like to be or places and events that I wish were real, when I could be spending all that extra time on making them closer to reality in the first place

Maladaptive daydreaming and music are so intertwined for me, that I feel like if I wasn’t a maladaptive daydreamer, I’d probably listen to music a lot less, or even stop entirely. Maybe that’s just my current brain telling myself that though, and I would just need to readjust if I were to give it up after all this time. It’s weird actually, because some of the earliest memories I have, are of me pacing around and fantasizing while music is playing. It’s something that I’ve done since I could walk, basically
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 17, 2023, 01:14:28 am
"fantasizing while music is playing."

One of my favourite Counterculture-era art forms is the song drama, where the DJ imagines a brief scenario that the song could be about and then narrates that scenario using a spoken monologue (plus sound effects) woven between the lyrics, complementing the song. Example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn3R6HJn4_8

Song dramas fell out of fashion with the wider decline of radio as a whole by the end of the 90s.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 17, 2023, 08:43:48 am
This seems very deep. The music seemed majestic. Though I didn't really understand the lyrics, somehow the phonetics fit in with the melody. The monologue fit in too. I understand a lyrics' phonetic pronunciation isn't really as much appreciation as a lyrics' meaning (same with monologue) but if I understood the meaning (or if a song drama was in my language), I think I could understand your view. I may've not praised sound effects before, but in this case, it was simple and had representation. It enhanced the tone of the song drama.

"Song dramas fell out of fashion with the wider decline of radio as a whole by the end of the 90s."

Well at least there's podcasts or audiobooks that can hopefully revive it.
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 17, 2023, 08:33:54 pm
It has some similarities with duets (which I also love), but there is a greater feeling of elemental and temporal displacement between the hero and heroine: elemental because one is singing whereas the other is speaking (in contrast to duets where both are singing), and temporal because the speaker is not responding to a live performance but to a recording of the singer (in contrast to duets where both singers are responding to each other in real-time). It is thus perfectly suited to themes of separation, regret and imagined possibilities that did not become real.

Do you like duets?
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 18, 2023, 10:02:31 am
"Do you like duets?"

Why not? There's this song called 'Sekaiju no Dare Yori Kitto' and it had a great melody and composition I listened to it over and over again (including versions of other languages).

Even these Counterculture icons (Sammi Cheng and Andy Hui) made their own version of it calling it 'Only You are Irreplaceable' and it was beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWrdWND43Lo
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 18, 2023, 07:17:16 pm
Yes, although this one was not written to be a duet, so it just sounds like two people harmonizing lyrics meant for one person. Here is a true Cheng-Hui duet (note how each singer has their own lyrical perspective):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAk-76pK8J8

Note also the scenery elements used in the above MV, such as the bare concrete (0:00), sidewalk guards made of pipe (0:46), etc.. Here is another duet MV celebrating this type of scenery (wire fences, pipe railings, plastic chairs, and lots of bare concrete):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_xsDoUtkc4

The following duet MV goes takes this aesthetic even further (peeling paint, bamboo scaffolding, rusted window frames, dried climbing plants - brilliant!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vqRYTVoiC0

MVs with this type of scenery are worth posting here for the visuals alone. I will try to find more over time!

For now just one more, this time a solo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkr6cVXWGqQ
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: HikariDude on April 18, 2023, 10:24:46 pm
"Yes, although this one was not written to be a duet, so it just sounds like two people harmonizing lyrics meant for one person."

Fine enough. I still like the song though.

"Here is a true Cheng-Hui duet (note how each singer has their own lyrical perspective)"

I noticed the lyrical perspectives as well as I could hear how, while singing different lyrics, they coincide due to their similar amount in syllables. If only I was born early enough to experience this sort of artistic creativity.

Also, would you ever put Cheng and Hui in:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/

or at least one of them? Hui, I could understand not, but I believe Cheng has some potential (though I wouldn't know who to boot).

"Note also the scenery elements used in the above MV, such as the bare concrete (0:00), sidewalk guards made of pipe (0:46), etc.."

I noticed it at 0:00. The lighting there was so cool and calming.

"(wire fences, pipe railings, plastic chairs, and lots of bare concrete)"

As any true minimalist should prefer.

"(peeling paint, bamboo scaffolding, rusted window frames, dried climbing plants - brilliant!)"

Though things like paint aren't that necessary in the first place, when they get worn out, it just reveals their true worth (which does make the aesthetic beautiful). I remember I used to peel the wallpaper (another unnecessary invention you mentioned here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4019/?topicseen#msg4019

) in my house as a child.

"MVs with this type of scenery are worth posting here for the visuals alone. I will try to find more over time!"

Hitler would be proud of those MVs. I know I am and this is coming from someone of non-Aryan ancestry (who has gladly volunteered not to reproduce). I hope you, 90sRF, become an example people can follow. :)
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 19, 2023, 09:12:58 pm
"Cheng has some potential"

She achieves her thinness by dieting, so I am hesitant. I certainly appreciate her positive qualities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammi_Cheng

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In the 1990s, another female star, Faye Wong was one of her main rivals.[14] When they were on stage together, they would be cold to one another. The rivalry was confirmed in the 1999 TVB music award night. Both Wong and Cheng were arranged to sit next to each other backstage.[14] Cheng avoided Wong by repeatedly going off stage to fix her make-up. In addition, her fans were angry and hissed at Faye Wong when she went on stage to receive an award.[14]

 ;D

Everyone respectable back in those days hated the subhuman:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-aryanism/msg17680/#msg17680

Which brings me to antenna (0:36-1:10, 1:56-2:35) being another element of this type of scenery:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PH7nva1314

More railings and concrete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi6sQJD1Rbc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV9rD-8DYqg

Antenna + wire fences + junk-filled rooftop + random homeless guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af_3vvnmZ8Q

"As any true minimalist should prefer."

This is why it is impossible to take seriously rightist claims that undecorative scenery is a "globalist conspiracy to demoralize people". I watch MVs with this type of scenery to heal myself! It is only the inferior who get demoralized by absence of decoration, and the problem is with them, not with the scenery!
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 20, 2023, 05:18:43 pm
Back in the old days I recommended this drama to Hashtali (unfortunately YouTube only has two episodes plus a short clip) which is filled with this type of scenery:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ik5GbOqHi4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C84csJYTXPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OR6IaiLzW0
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 22, 2023, 06:24:36 pm
One reason why I posted:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/the-archetype-of-the-warrior-how-films-help-empower-us-all/msg18991/#msg18991

is because this is also a series filled with this type of scenery. For example, the duel scene starting 15:58 in Ep3:

https://archive.org/details/sukeban-deka-ii/Sukeban+Deka+II+(1985)+%5BTSHS%5D+episode+03+%5B94118537%5D.mp4

Note the abundance of concrete, railings, wire fences, rust, peeling paint, and placement of junk. This type of scenery is the norm throughout the series. Contrast with the emphatically Western scenery (cutlery, wine glasses, chandelier, patterned curtains/wallpaper/carpet, and above all Western classical music!), surrounding the villains, such as in the dinner scene starting 2:46 in Ep6:

https://archive.org/details/sukeban-deka-ii/Sukeban+Deka+II+(1985)+%5BTSHS%5D+episode+06+%5BC6DF5078%5D.mp4
Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 23, 2023, 10:21:27 pm
Another drama with this type of scenery is:

https://list.youku.com/albumlist/show/id_989126.html

For example:

https://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTIyMzA4MDg=.html?spm=a2h1n.8251843.playList.5!7~1!2~3~A&f=989126&o=1

the heroes' hangout, the police station, the train station, the warehouse and various other locations are all in this style. Note the heavy use of fluorescent lights (also seen in the convenience store). In the dog search scene (starting 38:10), the hero even bumps his head on a railing at 38:50!



Title: Re: Is Counterculture Still Alive?
Post by: 2ThaSun on April 23, 2023, 11:33:03 pm
The Coup - "The Guillotine"
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"The Guillotine" by The Coup from the new album 'Sorry To Bother You,' out now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acT_PSAZ7BQ

Comments:
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2020 and this song is more relevant than ever.
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this song aged extremely well
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How has this musical GENUS been so underrated?!!! He's one of the greats, just slept on!
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All of The Coup’s music has been ahead of it’s time  since the 90s…  these guys were woke before “woke” became a trend
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Damn this song gets more relevant every month this year...
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Sorry to Bother You was a masterpiece 💝