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Title: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on July 10, 2020, 10:57:54 am
https://twitter.com/shafieikeyvan/status/1277467251747291142?s=20
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keyvan (کیوان) @shafieikeyvan Jun 29
the inside of that armed couple’s mansion is just villainously hideous
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebp5sPYXkAcg78h?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebp5seFWkAIXuR2?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebp5seFXgAQwZzW?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebp5seFXgAYckg7?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 11, 2020, 12:42:25 am
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the inside of that armed couple’s mansion is just villainously hideous

At last our message is spreading! All those hours of work I put into the old thread were not in vain!

(I still have it saved, by the way. At the moment I am wondering how best to republish it. Any ideas?)

Also, besides being ugly, the above decor is also utterly un-American; you wouldn't even know that this is in the US just from the above pictures. As American nationalists this is also something that we should keep pointing out. American homes should look distinctively American.
 
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on July 11, 2020, 05:44:46 pm
"At last our message is spreading!"
It is worth noting that the tweet came from an account whose user identifies (according his twitter bio) as a "muslim iranian" i.e. a non-Westerner.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 11, 2020, 11:59:32 pm
"i.e. a non-Westerner"

Invite him over here!

Also, just for reference, here is the McCloskeys' primitive physiognomy:

(https://news.stlpublicradio.org/sites/kwmu/files/202006/062820_BillGreenblattUPI_attorneys_01_0.jpg)

Their inferior architectural taste is reflected in their own similarly inferior appearance. It's good to see leftists being comfortable with making fun of their looks:

https://god.dailydot.com/ken-karen-gun-couple-memes-tweets/

Next, let's focus on at the ugliness of Western doorway designs:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/1_bis_place_de_l%27Alma_%28Paris%29.jpg/477px-1_bis_place_de_l%27Alma_%28Paris%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Kunsthistorisches_Museum_entrance.jpg/480px-Kunsthistorisches_Museum_entrance.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/57_Rue_du_Faubourg_de_Pierre_%2827353042388%29.jpg/337px-57_Rue_du_Faubourg_de_Pierre_%2827353042388%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Дом_компании_Зингер%2C_Россия%2C_Санкт-Петербург.JPG/576px-Дом_компании_Зингер%2C_Россия%2C_Санкт-Петербург.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Amsterdam_%28NL%29%2C_Kloveniersburgwal_--_2015_--_7252.jpg/512px-Amsterdam_%28NL%29%2C_Kloveniersburgwal_--_2015_--_7252.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Bohemian_court_chancellery_door_-_Vienna.jpg/498px-Bohemian_court_chancellery_door_-_Vienna.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/An_entrance_of_the_National_Museum_of_Romanian_History%2C_in_Bucharest_%28Romania%29.jpg/365px-An_entrance_of_the_National_Museum_of_Romanian_History%2C_in_Bucharest_%28Romania%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Art_Nouveau_entrance_in_Piața_Mihail_Kogălniceanu_%28Mihail_Kogălniceanu_Square%29%2C_from_Bucharest_%28Romania%29.jpg/421px-Art_Nouveau_entrance_in_Piața_Mihail_Kogălniceanu_%28Mihail_Kogălniceanu_Square%29%2C_from_Bucharest_%28Romania%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Art_Nouveau_architecture_in_Strasbourg_214.JPG/363px-Art_Nouveau_architecture_in_Strasbourg_214.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Porte_et_marquise_CCI_Nancy.jpg/483px-Porte_et_marquise_CCI_Nancy.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Maison_Huot_de_style_art_nouveau_%28Nancy%29_%287965996816%29.jpg/450px-Maison_Huot_de_style_art_nouveau_%28Nancy%29_%287965996816%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/XDSC_7288-29-av-Rapp-paris-7.jpg/501px-XDSC_7288-29-av-Rapp-paris-7.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Le_portail_du_Palais_Rohan_%2814456681043%29.jpg/640px-Le_portail_du_Palais_Rohan_%2814456681043%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Paris_Rue_de_Douai5134.JPG/640px-Paris_Rue_de_Douai5134.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Aveiro_Casa_do_Major_Pessoa_856.jpg/682px-Aveiro_Casa_do_Major_Pessoa_856.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/20161207_Palazzo_Castiglioni.jpg/1024px-20161207_Palazzo_Castiglioni.jpg)

For fun, someone should paste the McCloskeys in their gun-toting pose in front of all these pictures so it looks like they are guarding all of these doors.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 19, 2020, 04:40:19 am
Just came across this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/18/dutch-king-refuses-rewrite-history-row-colonial-carriage/

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Campaigners say the carriage, which depicts black men subservient to their white rulers, should be put in a museum and not used

The King of the Netherlands has refused to ‘re-write history’ amid calls for colonial imagery to be wiped from the Royal carriage. King Willem-Alexander said that the Golden Carriage, which dates back to 1898, was part of Dutch culture even if it depicts imagery on a panel that is seen as racist. The carriage, which is regularly used for official ceremonies such as the presentation of the Dutch budget, depicts black men and Asians, representing the former colonies of Suriname and the Antilles, bringing goods to their white rulers.

This is the carriage:

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2020/07/18/TELEMMGLPICT000235361422_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqUBIxVrslV3VDNZhXbh9Dr2Z8Qxj2mbySrADHD946rg0.jpeg?imwidth=1280)

Racism aside (and don't even get me started on the horses forced to pull this ****), how can anyone bear to ride inside something so garishly ugly?

So I found a few more:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Grand_Gala_Berlin.jpg/1024px-Grand_Gala_Berlin.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Museu_Nacional_dos_Coches%2C_coach_of_Infantas.JPG/1024px-Museu_Nacional_dos_Coches%2C_coach_of_Infantas.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Koets_Brussel.jpg/1024px-Koets_Brussel.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/20010201151AR_Romkerhalle_Kutsche_am_K%C3%B6nigreich_Romkerhall.jpg/1017px-20010201151AR_Romkerhalle_Kutsche_am_K%C3%B6nigreich_Romkerhall.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Berlin_of_Cardinal_Luciano_Luigi_Bonaparte.jpg/1024px-Berlin_of_Cardinal_Luciano_Luigi_Bonaparte.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Cart_of_gold.JPG/1024px-Cart_of_gold.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Char_de_procession_du_chapitre_des_chanoinesses_de_Sainte_Aldegonde_de_Maubeuge_01.jpg/1024px-Char_de_procession_du_chapitre_des_chanoinesses_de_Sainte_Aldegonde_de_Maubeuge_01.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/0_Car_d%27Or_-_Mons_1.jpg/768px-0_Car_d%27Or_-_Mons_1.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Pavelig_karet.jpg/1024px-Pavelig_karet.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/K%C3%B6nigliche_Kutsche_Eremitage.jpg/768px-K%C3%B6nigliche_Kutsche_Eremitage.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Carriage_of_the_Russian_Imperial_Court_%281856%29_01.jpg/1024px-Carriage_of_the_Russian_Imperial_Court_%281856%29_01.jpg)

How many examples do you need before concluding that there is something horribly wrong with the Western psyche?
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: guest5 on July 19, 2020, 10:38:51 am
They are not well. Not well at all....
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 25, 2020, 01:27:51 am
Since we did doors earlier, we might as well do windows, which receive the exact same treatment under Western design:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Immeuble_Fernand_Loppinet_porte_02_by_Line1.jpg/1024px-Immeuble_Fernand_Loppinet_porte_02_by_Line1.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/126_rue_de_rivoli_Paris_2012_10.jpg/1024px-126_rue_de_rivoli_Paris_2012_10.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/P1300843_Paris_X_rue_de_Paradis_n18_detail_rwk.jpg/612px-P1300843_Paris_X_rue_de_Paradis_n18_detail_rwk.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/48%2C_Strada_Jean_Louis_Calderon%2C_Bucharest_%28Romania%29_3.jpg/558px-48%2C_Strada_Jean_Louis_Calderon%2C_Bucharest_%28Romania%29_3.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Fenetre-vieux-raisin_%282%29.jpg/588px-Fenetre-vieux-raisin_%282%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Ague_Praha_2014_Holmstad_barokk_vindu_-_baroque_window_at_mala_Strana.JPG/512px-Ague_Praha_2014_Holmstad_barokk_vindu_-_baroque_window_at_mala_Strana.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Baroque_cartouche-window_on_Strada_Pictor_Alexandro_Romano%2C_not_far_from_the_intersection_between_Strada_Negustori_and_Strada_M%C3%A2ntuleasa%2C_in_Bucharest_%28Romania%29.jpg/559px-thumbnail.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/5%2C_Strada_General_Eremia_Grigorescu%2C_Bucharest_%28Romania%29.jpg/1024px-5%2C_Strada_General_Eremia_Grigorescu%2C_Bucharest_%28Romania%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Wuppertal%2C_Viktoriastr._49%2C_neobarocke_Fenstergestaltung.jpg/576px-Wuppertal%2C_Viktoriastr._49%2C_neobarocke_Fenstergestaltung.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Marbaumont_Bar-le-Duc.jpg/568px-Marbaumont_Bar-le-Duc.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/2015-09-10_16-57-13_fenetres-belfort.jpg/1024px-2015-09-10_16-57-13_fenetres-belfort.jpg)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 28, 2020, 11:41:57 pm
As I have repeatedly tried to point out, US rightists are Westerners, not Americans. The latest evidence of this is the following Homo Hubris RNC closing songs which are about as un-American as it is possible to sound:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ9PGRmruoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYRBT2vTJg

Yet this is the kind of music Trump and his supporters (look at the YouTube comments!) like. It fits perfectly with Trump's architectural tastes as seen in the decor of Trump Tower, Mar-a-Lago, etc. (previously posted but currently unavailable). It is all part of the same uniquely ugly aesthetic of the post-Renaissance West. Used in the context of the Trump campaign, it is a shameless dogwhistle to Eurocentrism. Rightists do not want the US to be America. They want the US to be never anything but a crass permanent incursion of Western civilization into the New World.

Contrast with the DNC closing song whose sound is instantly recognizable as American:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPBi88v7adM

Red is the colour of the colonial era. Blue is the colour of American nationalism.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on August 31, 2020, 09:55:05 pm
The RNC music sounds foreign (because it is!!), while the DNC music sounds American.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 23, 2020, 01:57:44 pm
Further on the topic of ballroom dancing recently brought up, we should also note its inherent ugliness. As is typical of Western aesthetics, it is based on glorification of sexual dimorphism. Observe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVvRQl27JhQ

Besides the obvious sexual dimorphism of the outfits (not least the sheer absurdity of the females - but only the females - dancing in high-heeled shoes), even the moves are asymmetric between the performers in a way intended to emphasize sexual dimorphism (e.g. the males never arch backwards under the support of the females, whereas the reverse is frequent), with patriarchy implicit throughout.

(Contrast with the sharp reduction in sexual dimorphism (both in outfits and in moves) with the rise of disco (thank you Counterculture!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lODBVM802H8

where elements have basically ceased to be gender-specific and individual performers are expressing foremost their individuality.)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 25, 2020, 11:41:51 pm
Our enemies do our work for us again:

https://vdare.com/posts/merry-christmas-make-american-buildings-beautiful-again

Here are some of the buildings they praise:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQZSRddVUAEE3o1?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQZTZ13UcAAC5bI?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpzpeDqUcAAI3vh?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep-spdPUcAEO3mp?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Do any of these look even remotely American? No, this is just the exact same Homo Hubris jerkoff material (speaking of which, note the preponderance of phallic shapes) built by all the colonial powers from the Renaissance onwards.

In contrast, the buildings denigrated by our enemies:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQZSRtaUUAIgurw?format=jpg&name=small)

(Compare: https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/default/files/images/CS_large-1-061019.jpg )

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpzlOLUVgAALHJ7?format=jpg&name=small)

(Compare: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/2c/d2/072cd29ddf364af5e60c4443d9f63a28.jpg )

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep-iozWUcAAO0v4?format=jpg&name=large)

(Compare: https://cg3.cgsociety.org/uploads/images/medium/maryam-shahpari-taos-pueblo-house-ne-1-2eeb9d2b-is17.jpg )

I see as clumsy but at least brave attempts to return to an American aesthetic, and thus infinitely preferable to continuing to allow Western architecture to occupy American soil.

(Our enemies also praise Stalinist architecture further down the Twitter thread:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Epzpa01VgAEzJN1?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://twitter.com/whyvert/status/1341203777924132866

This is evidence that Stalin was aesthetically a Westerner. Unlike, for example, Hitler:

https://archinect.imgix.net/uploads/2d/2d5318a11b134c972bd8ece14cf019c6.jpg )

Title: Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
Post by: acc9 on January 10, 2021, 10:39:27 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRypbWKXhEI

Mar-a-lago - the internal decor of which is most typical of western civilization that stinks of vulgarity, the Trump style!
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Dazhbog on January 13, 2021, 06:50:33 pm
As I have repeatedly tried to point out, US rightists are Westerners, not Americans. The latest evidence of this is the following Homo Hubris RNC closing songs which are about as un-American as it is possible to sound

Thank you for reminding me how much I hate arias in particular. When I was a child, I would get honest-to-goodness headaches from listening to garbage such as this for more than a few seconds.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: guest5 on January 28, 2021, 09:31:59 pm
Putin's Palace:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Putin_palace_lawn.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Putin_palace_interior1.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Putin_palace_interior4.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Putin_palace_interior2.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Putin_palace_interior3.jpg)
(https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/article_1360/a3/4BBBDE79-08DC-4886-89E5-F371142F0D8E.jpeg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/20/21/38212232-9169565-Alexei_Navalny_has_claimed_a_theatre_fitted_with_red_curtains_an-a-13_1611178282735.jpg)
(https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_675,w_1200,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1492804098/articles/2012/08/13/a-secret-putin-palace-on-russia-s-black-sea/putin-palaces-nemtsova_uk3j5g)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 02, 2021, 12:44:54 am
OLD CONTENT

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1228903958095237125

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Bernie Sanders very impressed by the chandeliers in the Moscow subway stations and by the Soviet “palaces of culture.” (Really.)

This is what Sanders likes:

(https://media.wired.com/photos/5d8c0a5acc3ae80008d87ffb/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/photo_herwig_soviet-metro_10.jpg)

(https://media.wired.com/photos/5d8c0a5b80db4e00083cd78f/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/photo_herwig_soviet-metro_11.jpg)

(https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/k/6/3/r/l/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240x700.1k63jg.png/1499054029344.jpg?format=pjpg&optimize=medium)

(https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/k/6/3/q/v/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240x700.1k63jg.png/1499054029344.jpg?format=pjpg&optimize=medium)

(https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/moscow-metro-station-architecture-russia-bright-future-david-burdeny-1.jpg)

(https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/moscow-metro-station-architecture-russia-bright-future-david-burdeny-5.jpg)

(https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/moscow-metro-station-architecture-russia-bright-future-david-burdeny-10.jpg)

(https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/moscow-metro-station-architecture-russia-bright-future-david-burdeny-8.jpg)

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/moscow-may-people-diversity-russian-subway-metro-station-most-beautiful-interior-ussr-soviet-period-u-116912820.jpg)

Sanders is aesthetically a Westerner.

---

Not gonna lie, I almost had vertigo looking at some of those pictures. Nearly nauseating.

I knew it as well, just by observing his mannerisms and seeing his interactions with "non whites", not to mention his comparison of the predominantly African-American Baltimore to a "third world" country. Hopefully in the post Trump era others will be able to see this as well...

---

Sanders' socialism is about enabling poor people to enjoy the opulence that rich people already enjoy, whereas our socialism is about despising (and aiming to eliminate) opulence itself.

Yes, I too despise rich people who live opulently, but I despise just as much any poor people who wish they could live opulently. On the other side of the coin, I respect poor people who are genuinely content with living frugally, and I respect just as much any rich people who deliberately choose to live frugally.

(Proportionately, poor people content with living frugally seem to be as rare as rich people who deliberately choose to live frugally. In other words, the majority of the rich and the majority of the poor have similarly inferior blood.)

People who aesthetically prefer opulence are unromantic, period. And chandeliers are just glorified menorahs.

---

Hence why Sanders's socialism is called "democratic socialism".

[UPDATE

Other leftists are only now beginning to catch on:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/did-bernie-sanders-inauguration-outfit-epitomize-white-privilege-a-san-francisco-teacher-thinks-so-204425621.html ]
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 02, 2021, 09:14:33 pm
OLD CONTENT

We are here to recalibrate people's senses back to sanity. Let's all post examples of - and discuss - the overwhelming aesthetic inferiority of Western civilization!

First stop: the Louvre. Consider what else goes on (answer: colonialism) inside a mind warped enough to come up with **** like this:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Bastiments_v1_%28Gregg_1972_p20%29_-_Louvre_west_wing_court_facade.jpg/1280px-Bastiments_v1_%28Gregg_1972_p20%29_-_Louvre_west_wing_court_facade.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/HKMT63/bastiments-v1-gregg-1972-p24-louvre-west-wing-court-facade-third-storey-HKMT63.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Louvre%2C_Paris_24_May_2014.jpg/1280px-Louvre%2C_Paris_24_May_2014.jpg)

(https://cdn.goodgallery.com/40ec9ddf-177c-481e-baef-93aa4ce02b09/s/0800/26nj9q7w/louvre-interior-buttress.jpg)

(https://static.dw.com/image/44519628_401.jpg)

(https://www.dw.com/en/louvre-enters-new-year-with-record-number-of-visitors/a-46961114#)

(https://bookhunterclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/750514_viator1.jpg)

(https://www.askideas.com/media/36/Elegant-Interior-Desing-Of-The-Louvre-Musuem.jpg)

(https://www.askideas.com/media/36/Beautiful-Interior-Art-In-The-Louvre-Musuem.jpg)

(https://www.askideas.com/media/36/Beautiful-Art-Interior-At-The-Louvre-Musuem.jpg)

(https://www.askideas.com/media/36/Beautiful-Interior-Of-The-Louvre-Musuem-Picture.jpg)

(https://www.askideas.com/media/36/Ceiling-Of-A-Room-Interior-In-The-The-Louvre-Musuem.jpg)

(https://www.askideas.com/media/36/Louvre-Musuem-Beautiful-Interior-View-Image.jpg)

(https://www.askideas.com/media/36/Louvre-Musuem-Interior-Picture.jpg)

(https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2014/10/20/15/28/louvre-495417_1280.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/JG6YBN/salon-carr-du-louvre-1875-JG6YBN.jpg)

(https://www.theitalianeyemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/img8275.jpg)

(https://www.theitalianeyemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/dsc1303.jpg)

(https://www.theitalianeyemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/p1010128.jpg)

(https://www.theitalianeyemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DSC0653.jpg)

(https://www.theitalianeyemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/dsc1305.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/compit/2d4y7jg/parigi-francia-luglio-03-2016-appartamenti-di-napoleone-iii-il-museo-del-louvre-e-il-piu-grande-museo-in-parola-con-quasi-35000-presenta-2d4y7jg.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/compit/2ctaa8k/parigi-francia-luglio-03-2016-appartamenti-di-napoleone-iii-il-museo-del-louvre-e-il-piu-grande-museo-in-parola-con-quasi-35000-presenta-2ctaa8k.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/compit/2d1nfyf/parigi-francia-luglio-03-2016-appartamenti-di-napoleone-iii-il-museo-del-louvre-e-il-piu-grande-museo-in-parola-con-quasi-35000-presenta-2d1nfyf.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/compit/2d4y7mk/parigi-francia-luglio-03-2016-appartamenti-di-napoleone-iii-ampia-sala-da-pranzo-il-museo-del-louvre-e-il-piu-grande-museo-in-parola-con-quasi-35000-presentano-2d4y7mk.jpg)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: guest5 on February 02, 2021, 09:53:43 pm
Just gives me a headache and makes me dizzy similar to the feeling I get from trying to read in a moving vehicle. I just don't understand how and why this type of architecture appeals to people? But then again, I'm at a complete loss to why most things that appeal to people actually do. "Way over the top" is an understatement for this type of architecture that's for sure.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 02, 2021, 11:08:14 pm
"I just don't understand how and why this type of architecture appeals to people?"

The worst part is that the Eurocentrists in the colonies actually looked at this **** and thought to themselves: "Oh, the Western colonizers are so superior to us! Who cares that they are stealing our land and butchering and poisoning us? They have chandeliers!!"

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f0/d9/6a/f0d96ab4864feae2d8c7d40d8760592f.jpg)

If you melt Western architecture, you get something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv2WJMVPQi8

Seriously, try looking at the pictures at the time as listening to Western classical music: solid and liquid forms of hubris.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: guest5 on February 03, 2021, 12:08:59 am
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Seriously, try looking at the pictures at the time as listening to Western classical music

Then picture Netanyahu or Trump as the composer....  :D
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 03, 2021, 02:27:32 pm
OLD CONTENT

Kremlin:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Andreyevsky_Zal.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Grand_Kremlin_Palace_Andreevsky_hall_1.jpg/1024px-Grand_Kremlin_Palace_Andreevsky_hall_1.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Grand_Kremlin_Palace_Aleksandr_hall.jpg/1024px-Grand_Kremlin_Palace_Aleksandr_hall.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CX2BXT/moscow-russia-the-palace-of-facets-of-the-moscow-kremlin-photo-itar-CX2BXT.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Palace_of_facets_pillar.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Palace_of_facets_door.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Palace_of_Facets4.jpg)

(https://viola.bz/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Bolshoy-Grand-Kremlin-Palace-21.jpg)

(https://viola.bz/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Bolshoy-Grand-Kremlin-Palace-19.jpg)

(https://viola.bz/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Bolshoy-Grand-Kremlin-Palace-22.jpg)

(https://viola.bz/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Bolshoy-Grand-Kremlin-Palace-23.jpg)

(https://viola.bz/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Bolshoy-Grand-Kremlin-Palace-25.jpg)

(https://viola.bz/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Bolshoy-Grand-Kremlin-Palace-32.jpg)

(https://viola.bz/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Bolshoy-Grand-Kremlin-Palace-33.jpg)

(https://previews.123rf.com/images/id1974/id19741412/id1974141200274/34637235-russie-moscou-grand-palais-du-kremlin-ancien-b%C3%A2timent-historique-construit-de-1837-%C3%A0-1849-%C3%A0-l-heure-act.jpg)

(https://previews.123rf.com/images/id1974/id19741412/id1974141200144/34442935-russie-moscou-grand-palais-du-kremlin-ancien-b%C3%A2timent-historique-construit-de-1837-%C3%A0-1849-%C3%A0-l-heure-act.jpg)

(https://previews.123rf.com/images/id1974/id19741412/id1974141200258/34637218-russie-moscou-grand-palais-du-kremlin-ancien-b%C3%A2timent-historique-construit-de-1837-%C3%A0-1849-%C3%A0-l-heure-act.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/04/11/020411103319343d2f0765a0e2145823.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Vladimir_hall2.jpg)

Remember: Eurocentrist tourists are willing to PAY MONEY to see this ****.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 03, 2021, 02:41:04 pm
More audial hubris to accompany the visual hubris:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUpuAvQQrC0

Those who claim Russia is not part of Western civilization are a joke. Which other civilization could Russia be part of?


Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 03, 2021, 11:15:05 pm
OLD CONTENT

Vatican:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/2_Estancia_del_Sello_%28Vista_general_II%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/8_Estancia_de_Heliodoro_%28Vista_general_I%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/16_Estancia_del_Incendio_del_Borgo_%28Vista_general_II%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/113d_Sala_de_Constantino_%28Vista%2C_d%29.jpg)

(https://s.pfst.net/2014.08/6445590818668af476f6c43717e1fb853b27f19647e_b.jpg)

(https://lists.ng/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Musei_vaticani_di_Notte.jpg)

(https://cdn.getyourguide.com/img/tour/5e403a4ab023e.png/148.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/a1/04/49a104d5e99c8d9c9701ca1f13a18b8f.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Vatican_Museums-6_%28307%29.jpg/678px-Vatican_Museums-6_%28307%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Vatican_Museums-6_%28321%29.jpg/678px-Vatican_Museums-6_%28321%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Vatican_Museums-6_%28326%29.jpg/678px-Vatican_Museums-6_%28326%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Vatikanische_Museen_70.jpg/1280px-Vatikanische_Museen_70.jpg)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.romacomunica.it%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F05%2FMusei-Vaticani-di-Notte-1.jpg&hash=8ac944a89e04d4c82d94670cc04f84b4dfe0cb7f)

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/56a15be6b2094370f8e37da6/1538331841049-L0DQP5GAHZFM58F5U148/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHH9S2ID7_bpupQnTdrPcoF7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0nQwvinDXPV4EYh2MRzm-RRB5rUELEv7EY2n0AZOrEupxpSyqbqKSgmzcCPWV5WMiQ/IMG_1565_Fotor-e1458221981476.jpg?format=1500w)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Viale_Vaticano%2C_105%2C_00136_Roma%2C_Italy_-_panoramio.jpg)

(https://previews.123rf.com/images/americanspirit/americanspirit1307/americanspirit130715313/20801444-les-mus%C3%A9es-du-vatican-mus%C3%A9es-du-vatican-sont-les-uvres-d-art-public-et-de-sculpture-mus%C3%A9es-de-la-cit%C3%A9-du-.jpg)

(https://robertoalborghetti.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/c2a9-roberto-alborghetti-sala-regia-and-sala-ducale-4.jpg)

(https://robertoalborghetti.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/c2a9-roberto-alborghetti-sala-regia-and-sala-ducale-12.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Sala_regia%2C_12.jpg/1200px-Sala_regia%2C_12.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Perin_del_vaga%2C_volta_della_Sala_regia_02.jpg/658px-Perin_del_vaga%2C_volta_della_Sala_regia_02.jpg)

(https://www.planetware.com/photos-large/I/vatican-attractions-vatican-gardens.jpg)

I wonder what Jesus would think if he saw that this **** is what the religion that he founded turned into.....
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 03, 2021, 11:17:43 pm
Choral is no better than instrumental when it comes to Western classical music; still the same outpouring of hubris from the same Western mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou-0OJljEJ0

There truly is no other civilization that is so "full of it"!
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 04, 2021, 04:39:57 am
The synagogue pictures from the old forum post have been reposted (and elaborated on) here instead:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/kristallnacht-tribute/
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 05, 2021, 01:19:08 am
OLD CONTENT

Recall that Western paintings are characterized by the need to fill the entire presentational surface with paint, and to simulate a 3D background panorama, which reveals an underlying intent to mimic physical vision rather than to simply portray the subject. This tendency had not yet taken hold in medieval painting which left plenty of unfilled space and do not try to simulate 3D:

(https://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2rabbits-2-form-The-Smithfield.jpg)

https://megansmedievalmuseum.wordpress.com/2018/04/18/10-medieval-rabbits-that-hate-easter-and-want-to-kill-you/

and which are therefore not to be considered Western. Space-filling and 3D-simulation really took hold during the leadup to the Renaissance:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Weyden_Deposition.jpg/974px-Weyden_Deposition.jpg)

and soon came to be considered compulsory:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Jan_van_Eyck_The_Virgin_of_Chancellor_Rolin.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Jan_van_Eyck_-_Triptych_of_Mary_and_Child%2C_St._Michael%2C_and_the_Catherine_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg/1280px-Jan_van_Eyck_-_Triptych_of_Mary_and_Child%2C_St._Michael%2C_and_the_Catherine_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/La_Madone_au_Chanoine_Van_der_Paele.jpg)

and the next thing you know we are in **** 3D-Land:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Konstytucja_3_Maja.jpg/1280px-Konstytucja_3_Maja.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/1595_Wtewael_Die_Sintflut_anagoria.JPG/1273px-1595_Wtewael_Die_Sintflut_anagoria.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Schuttersmaaltijd_ter_viering_van_de_Vrede_van_Munster_Rijksmuseum_SK-C-2.jpeg/1280px-Schuttersmaaltijd_ter_viering_van_de_Vrede_van_Munster_Rijksmuseum_SK-C-2.jpeg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Frans_Hals%2C_De_magere_compagnie.jpg/1280px-Frans_Hals%2C_De_magere_compagnie.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Adolph_Menzel_-_Fl%C3%B6tenkonzert_Friedrichs_des_Gro%C3%9Fen_in_Sanssouci_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg/1280px-Adolph_Menzel_-_Fl%C3%B6tenkonzert_Friedrichs_des_Gro%C3%9Fen_in_Sanssouci_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Alexander_III_reception_by_Repin.jpg/1280px-Alexander_III_reception_by_Repin.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Emanuel_de_Witte_003.jpg/1280px-Emanuel_de_Witte_003.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Canaletto_-_El_Colegio_de_Chelsea%2C_la_Rotonda%2C_la_casa_Ranelagh_y_el_r%C3%ADo_T%C3%A1mesis%2C_1751.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/Johan_Christian_Clausen_Dahl_-_Shipwrech_%281832%29.jpg/1280px-Johan_Christian_Clausen_Dahl_-_Shipwrech_%281832%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Johann_Georg_Grimm_1887%2C_Rochedo_da_Boa_Viagem.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Iwan_Iwanowitsch_Schischkin_002.jpg/1280px-Iwan_Iwanowitsch_Schischkin_002.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Brodsky-Alley-of-park-1930b.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Harnett_William_A_Study_Table_1882.jpg/1280px-Harnett_William_A_Study_Table_1882.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Carlo_Manieri_%28attr%29_Prunkstillleben.jpg/1280px-Carlo_Manieri_%28attr%29_Prunkstillleben.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Cholmondeley_Oudry_White_Duck.jpg)

This latter type of material-worshipping painting is what we consider ugly, not the medieval stuff which is fine. On the old forum there was a misunderstanding about this by some False Leftists who turned up and started making fun of medieval painting (thereby exposing themselves as Westerners). This is a recurring trend that clearly distinguishes False Leftists from True Leftists: when rightists claim that "whites" are better artists than anyone else using post-Renaissance works as examples, False Leftists retort by bringing up medieval works (thereby tacitly agreeing with the rightists that the post-Renaissance works are superior to non-Western works), whereas only True Leftists directly claim that the post-Renaissance works are inferior.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 05, 2021, 01:36:02 am
Western classical music can be appropriately used to accompany Western painting also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l15PDRSTn7s

True to Homo Hubris form, the primary concern of both is to show off executional skill.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 06, 2021, 11:07:16 pm
OLD CONTENT

Further on the subject of the Western aesthetic practice of space-filling, one (uniquely Western) element of interior design that I have always found indescribably ugly is wallpaper:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallpaper#History

Quote
Wallpaper, using the printmaking technique of woodcut, gained popularity in Renaissance Europe amongst the emerging gentry. The social elite continued to hang large tapestries on the walls of their homes, as they had in the Middle Ages. These tapestries added color to the room as well as providing an insulating layer between the stone walls and the room, thus retaining heat in the room. However, tapestries were extremely expensive and so only the very rich could afford them. Less well-off members of the elite, unable to buy tapestries due either to prices or wars preventing international trade, turned to wallpaper to brighten up their rooms.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/090_Josepinism_Style_Furniture.jpg/1280px-090_Josepinism_Style_Furniture.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Interieur%2C_muur_met_bloembehangsel_en_gedecoreerde_deur_-_Heeswijk_-_20334768_-_RCE.jpg/755px-Interieur%2C_muur_met_bloembehangsel_en_gedecoreerde_deur_-_Heeswijk_-_20334768_-_RCE.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Bannack%2C_Montana_-_Bannack%2C_Montana_IMG_20170822_1213483_%2845489690905%29.jpg/1024px-Bannack%2C_Montana_-_Bannack%2C_Montana_IMG_20170822_1213483_%2845489690905%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Dining_room_wallpaper_at_Alberton%2C_Auckland.jpg)

(https://liveberlin.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Celle-Zoellnerstrasse-Treppenhaus-wiki-web.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Museu_da_BaronesaDSCF0120.JPG/450px-Museu_da_BaronesaDSCF0120.JPG)

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8279/29768554015_742ec90abd.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Quai_d%E2%80%99Orsay_%40_Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs_%40_Paris_%2829685406531%29.jpg/400px-Quai_d%E2%80%99Orsay_%40_Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs_%40_Paris_%2829685406531%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Blackthorn_MET_ES8433.jpg/452px-Blackthorn_MET_ES8433.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Morris_Snakeshead_printed_textile_1876.jpg/800px-Morris_Snakeshead_printed_textile_1876.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/William_Morris_%27wandle%27_1884.jpg/437px-William_Morris_%27wandle%27_1884.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Original_William_Morris%27s_patterns%2C_digitally_enhanced_by_rawpixel_00021.jpg/479px-Original_William_Morris%27s_patterns%2C_digitally_enhanced_by_rawpixel_00021.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Sidewall_-_Google_Art_Project_%286844442%29.jpg/476px-Sidewall_-_Google_Art_Project_%286844442%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Annahof_11.jpg/800px-Annahof_11.jpg)

Then when you have wallpapers with paintings (and other ornaments) superimposed, you reach a level of aesthetical inferiority that I couldn't have come up with even if I were trying to make Western aesthetics look bad on purpose:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Clock_and_Flock_%287964107398%29.jpg/800px-Clock_and_Flock_%287964107398%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/The_Saloon_%287279934644%29.jpg/800px-The_Saloon_%287279934644%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/FD_Maurice_painting_Queen%27s_College_London.jpg/800px-FD_Maurice_painting_Queen%27s_College_London.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Boy%2C_interior%2C_radio%2C_portrait%2C_furniture%2C_headset_Fortepan_5463.jpg/800px-Boy%2C_interior%2C_radio%2C_portrait%2C_furniture%2C_headset_Fortepan_5463.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/HOME_SWEET_HOME.jpg/800px-HOME_SWEET_HOME.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Family_in_Parlor_in_Keene_New_Hampshire_%285246669610%29.jpg/796px-Family_in_Parlor_in_Keene_New_Hampshire_%285246669610%29.jpg)

Note in this last example, not content with filling the walls with ugliness, they couldn't even spare the floor, the curtains, or the sofa from the same fate! Still, you have to admit it suits the Westerners in the photo (the type colonizing all over the world and proclaiming Western superiority (including, ironically, in aesthetics!)).
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 06, 2021, 11:20:08 pm
So here I am thinking, which piece of Western classical music is repetitively tacky enough to be considered the audial equivalent of wallpaper? I decided on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjDXNqG0Deg
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 08, 2021, 09:40:41 pm
OLD CONTENT

Next, let's examine the inferiority of Western garden design (starting from the Renaissance). In all cases you see the emphasis on stiff geometric figures, forced positioning of objects and tasteless symmetrical layout. In some ways this hits me even harder because their very maintenance requires daily violence against the vast numbers of plants in order to keep them "in shape". I'm literally screaming inside my mind: "Can't you just LEAVE THE POOR PLANTS ALONE FFS?!?!"

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmissp.pl%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F10%2F8775894521_5604380022_b-1.jpg&hash=076141edd7e52ca73044cd364f5fbc7186511c2e)

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(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmissp.pl%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F10%2F5.jpg&hash=dae4c25d266d41aeb1e1e7f6f532fd65a207a46c)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Moseley_Old_Hall_-_geograph.org.uk_-_247505.jpg)

(https://preview.redd.it/ud3nuj62xu521.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=5cdaccf194d8952eae7c16e0d06ee9e42ebbf3b1)

(https://www.swiatkwiatow.pl/userfiles//image/ogrod_francuski2.jpg)

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As if all the above were not ugly enough on its own (not to mention indescribably disrespectful towards the plants), sometimes out of nowhere Westerners make sure to remind us about their obsession with high sexual dimorphism:

(https://previews.123rf.com/images/blash/blash1206/blash120600001/14032149-goddess-diana-fountain-in-villa-d-este-near-tivoli-italy.jpg)

But remember, according to rightists, Western civilization is "the most beautiful civilization".....
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 08, 2021, 09:43:47 pm
Suitable Western classical music accompaniment to the above set of pictures? The Garden Symphony, of course!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdnfVmaOQFw

The more I post, the more I think to myself: how did anyone outside the West ever manage to convince themselves that Western civilization was in any way "beautiful"?

Also, some people who realize the ugliness of the above but who still try to defend Western civilization say dishonest stuff like: "That was just a phase we had to go through. Our tastes aren't like that anymore." If so, then why continue to put effort into maintaining the gardens the way the were? Why still play the classical music in concerts? And so on. You clearly still value them at least enough to preserve them! (This is basically the same argument they use for not removing colonialist statues: "We aren't colonialists any more, so let us keep the colonialist statues up!" If you want to keep the colonialist statues up, you are proud of colonialism, therefore you are a colonialist!)

As for being a "phase", why did no other civilization in history have to go through such a phase? That Western civilization alone had to go through such a phase is already evidence of its inferiority! How much damage has it done to the entire world while going through its phase?! Are we supposed to overlook all that?!
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: guest5 on February 08, 2021, 10:04:43 pm
Only a fool would suckle the Western teat in it's garden of decay and rot!
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 11, 2021, 04:43:08 am
Next let's look the ugliness of Western pottery. Medieval Christian pottery was visually simple and at least functionally sensible:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/BJB_1898-299.jpg/800px-BJB_1898-299.jpg)

Then the Renaissance happened and made Western pottery as eye-gougingly vulgar as everything else in Western civilization:

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/S%C3%A8vres_porcelain_manufactory%2C_Pot-pourri_vase%2C_1763_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg/680px-S%C3%A8vres_porcelain_manufactory%2C_Pot-pourri_vase%2C_1763_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/S%C3%A8vres_Porcelain_Manufactory_-_One_of_a_Pair_of_Potpourri_Vases_%28Vases_ovales_Mercure%29_-_Walters_48635.jpg/768px-S%C3%A8vres_Porcelain_Manufactory_-_One_of_a_Pair_of_Potpourri_Vases_%28Vases_ovales_Mercure%29_-_Walters_48635.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Vase_portrait_louvre.JPG/680px-Vase_portrait_louvre.JPG)

If you still think the Renaissance was a positive event, you are a Westerner.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 11, 2021, 04:45:55 am
Not too sure which piece of Western classical music can suitably accompany the above set of pictures. How about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_gm0NCabPs

Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 13, 2021, 11:38:39 pm
OLD CONTENT

Trump hotels:

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(https://s18671.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/ceJ-p3Qg.jpeg)

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(https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/trump-hotel.jpg)

(https://media.gq.com/photos/5947e3ad165c2959e5547219/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/The%252520Empire%252520Knocks%252520One%252520Back00717-GQ-MOTH02-01.jpg)

(https://www.idesignarch.com/wp-content/uploads/Trump-International-Hotel-Washington-DC_11.jpg)

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(https://www.karenschaler.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/yyzxr-louix-louis-3138-hor-clsc-1080x720.jpg)

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(https://media.cntraveler.com/photos/59d7ac3e73857e1746290f00/16:9/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Bedroom1-TrumpInternationalHotelWashingtonDC-CRHotel.jpg)

Trump Tower penthouse:

(https://arkitektur.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SF-OTTO_TR_A95SF46-106.jpg)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000282474321.jpg?w=1240)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000282474334.jpg?w=1240)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000282474339.jpg?w=1240)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000282480578.jpg?w=1240)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000282479216.jpg?w=1240)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000282474309.jpg?w=1240)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000282479119.jpg?w=1240)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000282484619.jpg?w=1240)

(https://static.onecms.io/wp-content/uploads/sites/28/2016/11/trump-tower-penthouse-columns-PENTHOUSE1116.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg8m-FEU8AAK71k.jpg)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.maisonvalentina.net%2Fen%2Fnews-events%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F11%2FDonald-Trumps-Manhattan-Luxury-Apartment-Mansion-2.jpg&hash=45f252c986bca6369e0213d532d6df09b18a2596)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.maisonvalentina.net%2Fen%2Fnews-events%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F11%2FDonald-Trumps-Manhattan-Luxury-Apartment-Mansion-10.jpg&hash=c2703dd538ad35cceaf697e49c709dfce3dbae3e)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwxPSeWXcAEsbPY.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPX1xOtWoAAAMxW.jpg)

(https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Arch2O-Trump-house-025.jpg)

Mar-a-Lago:

(https://i.insider.com/5a6a3e92cf84101f008b48b4?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000284352995.jpg?w=960)

(https://i.insider.com/5a6a46ad1784258d018b4a65?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://www.idesignarch.com/wp-content/uploads/Donald-Trump-Mar-a-Lago-Palm-Beach-Florida_4.jpg)

(https://i0.wp.com/www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Travel/hotels/articles/trumps-favourite-hotels/mar-a-lago-interior.jpg?imwidth=450)

(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/03/21/09/mar-a-lago-20.jpg?width=640)

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/11/24/JS114457917_Palm-beach-4_1.jpg?imwidth=1240)

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/11/24/JS114457904_palm-beach-3.jpg?imwidth=1240)

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/a46a74f7a206a34ccd5287f08b7783d2c9c0c390/c=0-96-941-628/local/-/media/2018/03/05/NJGroup/AsburyPark/636558578251749974-mar-a-lago-ornate-room.jpg)

(https://i.insider.com/5c548bebb357331a283861b3?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000284352994.jpg?w=960)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000284352990.jpg?w=960)

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/nintchdbpict000284352988.jpg?w=960)

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/11/24/JS114457894_Palm-beach1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqrnKnv-EZ40EhYX8nU7dr87aygjQ_Ne4_ovv3hnRMJg4.jpg?imwidth=1400)

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/11/24/JS114457897_palm-beach-2_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq1k_GcghVwYBg9UQaIX7fHx9cu0Irqeo821MFPz7BoX0.jpg?imwidth=480)

(https://media12.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/201902/nn_asc_inside_maralago_190224_1920x1080.focal-760x428.jpg)

(https://content.fortune.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/mar-a-lago-club_4.jpg?quality=80)

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/876a9894cf82942f2a1fc1df96e8e2567bd4e6e4/c=16-0-671-370/local/-/media/2018/03/05/NJGroup/AsburyPark/636558579776191746-mar-a-lago-panorama.jpg?width=655&height=370&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)

(https://www.idesignarch.com/wp-content/uploads/Donald-Trump-Mar-a-Lago-Palm-Beach-Florida_10.jpg)

(https://www.idesignarch.com/wp-content/uploads/Donald-Trump-Mar-a-Lago-Palm-Beach-Florida_15.jpg)

(https://www.arch2o.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Arch2O-quick-tour-inside-donald-trumps-house-1-1490x1600.jpg)

Many people are comfortable with saying that Trump has bad taste, but given that Trump's tastes are thoroughly Western, why can't people simply say that Western aesthetics are bad taste?

(For Western classical music accompaniment, go back to the first page and play Trump's RNC songs.)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 15, 2021, 10:56:31 pm
OLD CONTENT

Watching the news reports of the coronavirus in Italy, the cameras repeatedly show the Milan Cathedral, so I thought I might as well add it here:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Milan_Cathedral_from_Piazza_del_Duomo.jpg/1022px-Milan_Cathedral_from_Piazza_del_Duomo.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Duomo_%28Milan%29_29-07-29.jpg/1024px-Duomo_%28Milan%29_29-07-29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/%2C_Italia_1.jpg/1024px-Duomo_di_Milano%2C_Italia_1.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/M3P8GK/duomo-gothic-cathedral-of-milan-spires-decoration-detail-italy-M3P8GK.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/f2/35/00f23555fa395c57e43f07061b9b767f.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Art_work_on_door_Milan_Cathedral_%2CItaly.jpg/768px-Art_work_on_door_Milan_Cathedral_%2CItaly.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/T7GNYP/architectural-closeup-of-ornate-decorative-details-on-exterior-of-gothic-milan-cathedral-duomo-milan-italy-T7GNYP.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/T7GNYN/architectural-closeup-of-ornate-decorative-details-on-exterior-of-gothic-milan-cathedral-duomo-milan-italy-T7GNYN.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Glass_paintings_of_Dumo%2C_Milan..JPG/1024px-Glass_paintings_of_Dumo%2C_Milan..JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Duomo_di_Milano_-_Interior_2_%283%29_%2845516943271%29.jpg/1024px-Duomo_di_Milano_-_Interior_2_%283%29_%2845516943271%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Vetrata_Duomo_di_Milano%2C_Italia.jpg/768px-Vetrata_Duomo_di_Milano%2C_Italia.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/91/f2/4591f28168614b36592f8d35e55a3d31.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Milano_Cattedrale_di_Santa_Maria_Nascente_Innen_Krypta_Coro_Jemale_Decke.jpg/1164px-Milano_Cattedrale_di_Santa_Maria_Nascente_Innen_Krypta_Coro_Jemale_Decke.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Milano_Cattedrale_di_Santa_Maria_Nascente_Innen_Chorumgang_Chorschranke_2.jpg/990px-Milano_Cattedrale_di_Santa_Maria_Nascente_Innen_Chorumgang_Chorschranke_2.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/Milano_Cattedrale_di_Santa_Maria_Nascente_Innen_Chorumgang_Orgelempore_1.jpg/1024px-Milano_Cattedrale_di_Santa_Maria_Nascente_Innen_Chorumgang_Orgelempore_1.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Column_decoration_-_Duomo_-_Milan_2014.jpg/682px-Column_decoration_-_Duomo_-_Milan_2014.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/%E3%83%9F%E3%83%A9%E3%83%8E%E3%81%AE%E3%83%89%E3%82%A5%E3%82%AA%E3%83%A2%EF%BC%9A%E5%A4%A7%E8%81%96%E5%A0%82%E5%86%85%E9%83%A8%EF%BC%91_%2836309439504%29.jpg/1024px-%E3%83%9F%E3%83%A9%E3%83%8E%E3%81%AE%E3%83%89%E3%82%A5%E3%82%AA%E3%83%A2%EF%BC%9A%E5%A4%A7%E8%81%96%E5%A0%82%E5%86%85%E9%83%A8%EF%BC%91_%2836309439504%29.jpg)

For consideration:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_poverty_and_wealth

Quote
Perrotta points out that material wealth is highly valued in the Old Testament; the Hebrews seek it and God promises to bless them with it if they will follow his commandments.[12] Joseph Francis Kelly writes that biblical writers leave no doubt that God enabled men such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Solomon to achieve wealth and that this wealth was a sign of divine favor.
...
Jesus explicitly condemns excessive love of wealth as an intrinsic evil in various passages in the Gospels, especially in Luke (Luke 16:10–15 being an especially clear example). He also consistently warns of the danger of riches as a hindrance to favor with God

Whose "God" do you think is being worshipped in the cathedral above? Or, for that matter, in the Vatican?
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 15, 2021, 10:58:16 pm
And of course the equally ugly Western classical music accompaniment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlZSAGqsEqc
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 17, 2021, 11:59:09 pm
OLD CONTENT

Next we are going to look at the unparalleled ugliness of Western swords. The swords of medieval Christendom were still aesthetically respectable:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Oakeshott_types.png)

And then one Renaissance later, guess what happened? Answer: the same as what happened to everything else as a result of the Renaissance.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Degen_-_Fig._1%2C2%2C12._Neue_preu%C3%9Fische_Degen._%E2%80%93_3_u._4_Degen_Philipps_II._von_Spanien._%E2%80%93_5._Degen_....jpg/900px-Degen_-_Fig._1%2C2%2C12._Neue_preu%C3%9Fische_Degen._%E2%80%93_3_u._4_Degen_Philipps_II._von_Spanien._%E2%80%93_5._Degen_....jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Battle_swords_%2825692685193%29.jpg/682px-Battle_swords_%2825692685193%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Different_Rapiers.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Pszczyna-muzeum77.JPG/682px-Pszczyna-muzeum77.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Rothenburg_Museum_-_Degen.jpg/782px-Rothenburg_Museum_-_Degen.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Mus%C3%A9e_du_Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Foix_19.jpg/565px-Mus%C3%A9e_du_Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Foix_19.jpg)

(https://snappygoat.com/b/19dc80c4ec8d5b25e509137fec44fcf1e6661ae2)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Rapier-IMG_1826-black.jpg/800px-Rapier-IMG_1826-black.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Rapi%C3%A8re_expos%C3%A9e_au_Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Chillon%2C_Suisse.jpg/800px-Rapi%C3%A8re_expos%C3%A9e_au_Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Chillon%2C_Suisse.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Detalj_parerpl%C3%A5t_v%C3%A4rja_-_Livrustkammaren_-_22480.tif/lossy-page1-800px-Detalj_parerpl%C3%A5t_v%C3%A4rja_-_Livrustkammaren_-_22480.tif.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Detalj_parersk%C3%A5l_-_Livrustkammaren_-_73852.tif/lossy-page1-800px-Detalj_parersk%C3%A5l_-_Livrustkammaren_-_73852.tif.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/F%C3%A4ste_-_Livrustkammaren_-_38740.tif/lossy-page1-486px-F%C3%A4ste_-_Livrustkammaren_-_38740.tif.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Louis_XIII_sword-J_381-IMG_7159-white.jpg/1024px-Louis_XIII_sword-J_381-IMG_7159-white.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/KTKW0A/basket-hilted-sword-met-dp105439-KTKW0A.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Basket-hilted_Sword_MET_sfrl14.25.1150_183023.jpg/580px-Basket-hilted_Sword_MET_sfrl14.25.1150_183023.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Basket-Hilted_Sword_MET_sfrl1981.153_226989.jpg/569px-Basket-Hilted_Sword_MET_sfrl1981.153_226989.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Broadsword_MET_sfeah14-25-1168ATs1.jpg/483px-Broadsword_MET_sfeah14-25-1168ATs1.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/MANDARIN_MANSION_Dutch_smallsword_7.jpg/1024px-MANDARIN_MANSION_Dutch_smallsword_7.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/MANDARIN_MANSION_Dutch_smallsword_4.jpg/1024px-MANDARIN_MANSION_Dutch_smallsword_4.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/JFYDD3/eredegen-van-goud-van-generaal-chass-vervaardigd-door-p-knecht-wapensmid-JFYDD3.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Epees_IMG_5569-11b.jpg/1024px-Epees_IMG_5569-11b.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Epee_general_empire-IMG_4732-4734-white.jpg/1024px-Epee_general_empire-IMG_4732-4734-white.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/F%C3%A4ste_till_kavaljersv%C3%A4rja%2C_1790-tal_-_Livrustkammaren_-_21619.tif/lossy-page1-669px-F%C3%A4ste_till_kavaljersv%C3%A4rja%2C_1790-tal_-_Livrustkammaren_-_21619.tif.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Minnesv%C3%A4rja_-_Livrustkammaren_-_41493.tif/lossy-page1-682px-Minnesv%C3%A4rja_-_Livrustkammaren_-_41493.tif.jpg)

Finally, remember that these Homo Hubris swords were the types of swords with which during the colonial era they skewered "non-white" babies tossed into midair.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 18, 2021, 12:02:49 am
Western classical music accompaniment to the above set of pictures? How about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBQZWeedCxE
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 22, 2021, 11:30:24 pm
OLD CONTENT

St Petersburg:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB_%281%29.jpg/800px-%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB_%281%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Spb_Anichkov_Palace_asv2019-09_img15.jpg/800px-Spb_Anichkov_Palace_asv2019-09_img15.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Spb_Anichkov_Palace_asv2019-09_img19.jpg/768px-Spb_Anichkov_Palace_asv2019-09_img19.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Sankt_Petersburg_Winterpalast_2005_e.jpg/681px-Sankt_Petersburg_Winterpalast_2005_e.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7a/d4/a5/7ad4a5920e392f63e4bf73de393c990d.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yN5d90myLOg/Wm9huFNmewI/AAAAAAAACQw/ilfXgoAJGr0vdJqs-2j1q6ytvOpr0dAYACEwYBhgL/s1600/Jordan%2BCeiling.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/GGCXHK/grand-church-in-the-winter-palace-in-hermitage-museum-st-petersburg-GGCXHK.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Grand_Church_of_the_Winter_Palace_%28Main_Dome%29.jpg/800px-Grand_Church_of_the_Winter_Palace_%28Main_Dome%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/MalachiteRoom.jpg/1200px-MalachiteRoom.jpg)

(https://image.slidesharecdn.com/b012-hermitage-1v1c-120719230519-phpapp01/95/slide-23-1024.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Ermit%C3%A1%C5%BE_%2818%29.jpg/800px-Ermit%C3%A1%C5%BE_%2818%29.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0c/cc/f4/0cccf473c0ea43b02c498f71f4a3a320.jpg)

(https://media.tacdn.com/media/attractions-splice-spp-674x446/06/f1/93/f9.jpg)

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/armorial-hall-state-hermitage-museum-st-petersburg-russia-art-culture-saint-second-largest-world-was-founded-191875816.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Ermit%C3%A1%C5%BE_%2826%29.jpg/768px-Ermit%C3%A1%C5%BE_%2826%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Raphael_Loggias_Hermitage.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/2019-07-31-Hermitage-3597.jpg/1024px-2019-07-31-Hermitage-3597.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Hermitage_Museum%2C_St._Petersburg_%2853%29_%2837017712522%29.jpg/1024px-Hermitage_Museum%2C_St._Petersburg_%2853%29_%2837017712522%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Hermitage_Museum%2C_St._Petersburg_%2851%29_%2836375507263%29.jpg/1024px-Hermitage_Museum%2C_St._Petersburg_%2851%29_%2836375507263%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%83.%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%B0%D1%80_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8B..jpg/1028px-%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%83.%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%B0%D1%80_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8B..jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Nicholas_Hall_%28rectified%29.jpg/1024px-Nicholas_Hall_%28rectified%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Golden_Drawing_Room.jpg/1024px-Golden_Drawing_Room.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Gau_Peter_the_Great_%28Small_Throne%29_Room_1863.jpg/942px-Gau_Peter_the_Great_%28Small_Throne%29_Room_1863.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Peter_the_Great_%28Small_Throne%29_Room_05.JPG/1024px-Peter_the_Great_%28Small_Throne%29_Room_05.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Small_church_by_Burdin.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Small_church_in_the_Winter_Palace.jpg)

(https://www1.f1online.de/preW/012612000/12612517.jpg)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FKrendovsky_Throne_Room_of_Empress_Maria_Fiodorovna_1831&hash=26b9b3291868eca085896dcb07300dd6fd1aaa45)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Mus%C3%A9e_de_l%27Ermitage_-_int%C3%A9rieur_-_hall_blanc_-_lustre_%282%29.jpg/768px-Mus%C3%A9e_de_l%27Ermitage_-_int%C3%A9rieur_-_hall_blanc_-_lustre_%282%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Concerthall.jpg/1024px-Concerthall.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/%D0%92._%D0%A1._%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2._%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0.jpg/1024px-%D0%92._%D0%A1._%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2._%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/2019-07-31-Hermitage-3641.jpg/636px-2019-07-31-Hermitage-3641.jpg)

Again (mainly directed at False Leftists), stop telling me Russia is not Western! What else could it be? Just look at it!
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 22, 2021, 11:36:41 pm
Or listen to it, if you prefer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEOzsV8Eym4
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: acc9 on February 23, 2021, 08:08:58 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmnFpsJ1tr4&feature=emb_rel_pause


....or head towards the Ritz Carlton in Cancun, Mexico like Ted Cruz did, while poor Texas struggled to survive in the big freeze...
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on February 25, 2021, 04:58:42 pm
POLITICO: Biden tosses Trump's classical architecture order.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/24/biden-trump-federal-architecture-order-471459
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on March 13, 2021, 11:22:00 am
Next stop: Buckingham "Palace" (360 degree tour courtesy of BBC):
https://youtu.be/FtGN2wK9g_s
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on April 13, 2021, 01:01:19 am
Still not as ugly as the original painting tbh (funny):
https://youtu.be/QTli1HU9axY
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 13, 2021, 01:51:59 am
OLD CONTENT

Frederiksborg:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Denmark_-_Frederiksborg_Castle_-_panoramio_%2819%29.jpg/1024px-Denmark_-_Frederiksborg_Castle_-_panoramio_%2819%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Frederiksborg_slot_-_Innerer_Hof_1.jpg/1024px-Frederiksborg_slot_-_Innerer_Hof_1.jpg)

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/frederiksborg-castle-denmark-hillerod-177805557.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/Frederiksborg_Schloss_Laube.jpg/1024px-Frederiksborg_Schloss_Laube.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/DK_Hiller%C3%B6d_Frederiksborg_IMG_5764.jpg/682px-DK_Hiller%C3%B6d_Frederiksborg_IMG_5764.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/DK_Hiller%C3%B6d_Frederiksborg_IMG_5766.jpg/682px-DK_Hiller%C3%B6d_Frederiksborg_IMG_5766.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Frederiksborg_Castle_-_window_03.jpg/681px-Frederiksborg_Castle_-_window_03.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Frederiksborg_Slot_%28Hiller%C3%B8d_Kommune%29.Klokket%C3%A5rn.Ur.219-16514-1.ajb.jpg/683px-Frederiksborg_Slot_%28Hiller%C3%B8d_Kommune%29.Klokket%C3%A5rn.Ur.219-16514-1.ajb.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Frederiksborg_Slot_%28Hiller%C3%B8d_Kommune%29.Portt%C3%A5rn.Detalje.219-16514-1.ajb.jpg/1024px-Frederiksborg_Slot_%28Hiller%C3%B8d_Kommune%29.Portt%C3%A5rn.Detalje.219-16514-1.ajb.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Frederiksborg_castle_-_panoramio_%2810%29.jpg/1024px-Frederiksborg_castle_-_panoramio_%2810%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Frederiksborg_slot_-_Gartentor_1_Gesamt.jpg/1024px-Frederiksborg_slot_-_Gartentor_1_Gesamt.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Frederiksborg_slot_-_Gartentor_1.jpg/1024px-Frederiksborg_slot_-_Gartentor_1.jpg)

Then you go indoors where even worse ugliness awaits:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Danemark_Frederiksborg_Chapelle_Galerie_27072012_-_panoramio.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Chapel_in_Frederiksborg_Castle%2C_Hiller%C3%B8d%2C_Denmark.JPG/1024px-Chapel_in_Frederiksborg_Castle%2C_Hiller%C3%B8d%2C_Denmark.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Denmark_-_Frederiksborg_Castle_-_panoramio_%289%29.jpg/1024px-Denmark_-_Frederiksborg_Castle_-_panoramio_%289%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Frederiksborg_Slotskirke_Hilleroed_Denmark_quire.jpg/1024px-Frederiksborg_Slotskirke_Hilleroed_Denmark_quire.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Denmark_-_Frederiksborg_Castle_-_panoramio_%2810%29.jpg/1024px-Denmark_-_Frederiksborg_Castle_-_panoramio_%2810%29.jpg)

(https://img.locationscout.net/images/2018-08/frederiksborg-castle-denmark_l.jpeg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b7/4e/b6/b74eb60e5fbe9bc48f8dfc5fcce2bef0.jpg)

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/superb-interior-view-frederiksborg-castle-hillerod-aug-aug-hillerod-denmark-77612321.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Frederiksborg_Slot_13-09-07_03.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Frederiksberg_Palace%2C_early_18th_century_%2851%29_%2836345145596%29.jpg/1024px-Frederiksberg_Palace%2C_early_18th_century_%2851%29_%2836345145596%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Frederiksborg_Castle_%28260844009%29.jpeg/1024px-Frederiksborg_Castle_%28260844009%29.jpeg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Denmark_-_Frederiksborg_Castle_-_panoramio_%2818%29.jpg/1024px-Denmark_-_Frederiksborg_Castle_-_panoramio_%2818%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Frederiksborg_slot_corridor_1072.jpg/1024px-Frederiksborg_slot_corridor_1072.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Frederiksborg_Slot_Hilleroed_Denmark_ceiling2.jpg/1024px-Frederiksborg_Slot_Hilleroed_Denmark_ceiling2.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/de/Frederiksborg_slot_-_Museum_20090818_06.JPG/800px-Frederiksborg_slot_-_Museum_20090818_06.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Frederiksborg_Castle_%28260126169%29.jpeg/1024px-Frederiksborg_Castle_%28260126169%29.jpeg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Denmark_0380_-_Royal_Art_Room_%284005293514%29.jpg/1024px-Denmark_0380_-_Royal_Art_Room_%284005293514%29.jpg)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ff23.ifotki.info%2Forg%2Fc934be4d8c22960c83097acae537d9d1b92b56316150705.jpg&hash=328453241abf0f78f0f861d24416c206445eba7a)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Frederiksberg_Palace%2C_early_18th_century_%2859%29_%2836389864235%29.jpg/1024px-Frederiksberg_Palace%2C_early_18th_century_%2859%29_%2836389864235%29.jpg)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ff23.ifotki.info%2Forg%2Ff34b98a2849abce31b17752aaf4b7357b92b56316150781.jpg&hash=9fa7f23287e5a2f0c1d4bfae7468fe13ea256b02)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ff23.ifotki.info%2Forg%2F7b70f270e200ccf65d734daf60a7e05ab92b56316150782.jpg&hash=efb212b032b24dcb44f81be5f230f11ee8483587)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ff23.ifotki.info%2Forg%2F7854e73e5c200798c0006596d063ebcbb92b56316150782.jpg&hash=47d7e0004b01d2895e5ba21bdab6218a01ef9740)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ff23.ifotki.info%2Forg%2Fcb3979e4a4824684c179441c75f0ebdfb92b56316150782.jpg&hash=7133213a6b60099dac703f5863b3ab764786253f)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Hiller%C3%B6d_Schloss_Frederiksborg_Innen_2.JPG/1024px-Hiller%C3%B6d_Schloss_Frederiksborg_Innen_2.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Denmark_0395_-_Mother%E2%80%99s_Chamber_%284004550635%29.jpg/1024px-Denmark_0395_-_Mother%E2%80%99s_Chamber_%284004550635%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Denmark_0411_-_State_Bedroom_%284008731714%29.jpg/1024px-Denmark_0411_-_State_Bedroom_%284008731714%29.jpg)

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/denmark/
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 13, 2021, 01:54:10 am
And matching Western classical music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNNP_4TYnV4
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 06, 2021, 04:44:45 am
OLD CONTENT

While in previous posts we have already encountered these in passing, in this post I want to focus on the ugliness of Western picture/mirror frames. Considering that a frame's function is merely to present the picture, there is even less excuse for the frame to itself be elaborate, and hence post-Renaissance frames become some of the most undeniable examples of Western tastelessness:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_frame#History

Quote
the Italian Renaissance of the 14th and 15th centuries saw the rise of arts patrons extending beyond the church. Wealthy nobles such as the Medici family could now bring art and frames into their estate by commissioning allegorical, devotional and portrait paintings.[4] This was the advent of the portable or moveable frame.[5]

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Louis_XIV_Cadre.jpg/800px-Louis_XIV_Cadre.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Lijst_verguld_detail.jpg/800px-Lijst_verguld_detail.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Carved_frame_01_%2827133614537%29.jpg/800px-Carved_frame_01_%2827133614537%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Carved_frame_02_%2840195827930%29.jpg/800px-Carved_frame_02_%2840195827930%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Carved_frame_03_%2828131148988%29.jpg/800px-Carved_frame_03_%2828131148988%29.jpg)

(https://www.meubliz.com/picture/reference/14fd5d9c7d38d6a04cf63e531922adee/original/643b9fe5fdc8873b28583388a86730e2.jpg)

(https://img.ltwebstatic.com/images3_pi/2021/02/07/1612666142c89b58a5ad7d452920272d09e6873f62_thumbnail_600x.webp)

(https://img.ltwebstatic.com/images3_pi/2021/02/07/161266616912833c595627ba1b3c364398ad5a17c1_thumbnail_600x.webp)

(https://renzocalderan.com/images/sflpkg/sflpkg_web.jpg)

(https://www.proantic.com/galerie/l-atelier/img/small/560008-main-5e3fcec0a73b1.jpg)

(https://medias.puces-privees.com/objects/7658-img1717-2jpg.jpg)

(https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/auctionmediaphotos/9/f/8/1535746184296142.jpg)

(https://p5.storage.canalblog.com/51/02/119589/40117870.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/DrD_9CwCTrIcSCAgplzqghPIEmjR8hZ1CoJtenjctB6KuthoYsuQVhH4Wi-IAIjjYsV8Tu_g8IKjtKrg2FSNXYEOjus5xWA6wE0N3DhjjF-yzwp9eb46653eccL77zKpTwoEwyfgox_G-UCYliWiG5iWb-amGw)

(https://www.anticstore.com/DocBD/commerce/antiquaire/antiquites-franck-baptiste-503/objet/45783/AnticStore-Large-Ref-45783.jpg)

(https://images.artimin.com/i-f/2000/2000/1:1/150573.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cc/c9/ca/ccc9cab8eea251e17e3b200c60f5facd.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/68/42/e66842937b14320ed533d938bc916852.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Konrad_Barth_Vergolderrahmen.JPG/463px-Konrad_Barth_Vergolderrahmen.JPG)

(https://www.inexhibit.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Leonardo-da-Vinci-Hermitage-museum.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Mus%C3%A9e_de_l%27Ermitage_-_Raffaello_Santi_-_Madonna_and_Child_%28The_Connestabile_Madonna%29_%28entre_1502_et_1504%29.jpg/768px-Mus%C3%A9e_de_l%27Ermitage_-_Raffaello_Santi_-_Madonna_and_Child_%28The_Connestabile_Madonna%29_%28entre_1502_et_1504%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Wightwick_Manor_2016_035.jpg/800px-Wightwick_Manor_2016_035.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Tiziano%2C_maddalena_ermitage%2C_01.JPG/629px-Tiziano%2C_maddalena_ermitage%2C_01.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Fontainebleau_interior_francois_I_gallery_02.JPG/654px-Fontainebleau_interior_francois_I_gallery_02.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Jean-baptiste_corot%2C_corso_di_un_fiume%2C_1845-55_ca.jpg/800px-Jean-baptiste_corot%2C_corso_di_un_fiume%2C_1845-55_ca.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Boucher_Surprise_Woman_and_Cat.jpg/512px-Boucher_Surprise_Woman_and_Cat.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Correggio%2C_madonna_bolognini%2C_1514-19%2C_01.JPG/684px-Correggio%2C_madonna_bolognini%2C_1514-19%2C_01.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Alfred_sisley%2C_strada_per_louveciennes%2C_1873-74.jpg/861px-Alfred_sisley%2C_strada_per_louveciennes%2C_1873-74.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/La_Fede_nuziale.jpg/550px-La_Fede_nuziale.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Doix_Plaque_with_the_Adoration_of_the_Shepherds.jpg/610px-Doix_Plaque_with_the_Adoration_of_the_Shepherds.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Tintoretto_Venetian_admiral_01.jpg/856px-Tintoretto_Venetian_admiral_01.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Fran%C3%A7ois-Hubert_Drouais_Mesdames_Victoire%2C_Sophie_et_Louise.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/DeGeer-Ribbing.jpg/1024px-DeGeer-Ribbing.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/ChenonceauPaintingHyacintheRigaud.jpg/660px-ChenonceauPaintingHyacintheRigaud.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Sir_Anthony_van_Dyck_%28c_1640%29_by_Anthony_van_Dyck%2C_National_Portrait_Gallery%2C_London%2C_UK_-_20140628-01.jpg/768px-Sir_Anthony_van_Dyck_%28c_1640%29_by_Anthony_van_Dyck%2C_National_Portrait_Gallery%2C_London%2C_UK_-_20140628-01.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Adlercreutz_Karl_Johan_Adlercreutz%2C_1757-1815_%28Carl_Wilhelm_Nordgren%29_-_Nationalmuseum_-_15479.tif/lossy-page1-688px-Adlercreutz_Karl_Johan_Adlercreutz%2C_1757-1815_%28Carl_Wilhelm_Nordgren%29_-_Nationalmuseum_-_15479.tif.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Marie_therese_charlotte_de_france.JPG/512px-Marie_therese_charlotte_de_france.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Adolf_Fredrik%2C_1710-1771%2C_konung_av_Sverige_hertig_av_Holstein-Gottorp_%28Lorens_Pasch_d.y.%29_-_Nationalmuseum_-_15069.tif/lossy-page1-712px-Adolf_Fredrik%2C_1710-1771%2C_konung_av_Sverige_hertig_av_Holstein-Gottorp_%28Lorens_Pasch_d.y.%29_-_Nationalmuseum_-_15069.tif.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Adolf_Fredrik%2C_1710-1771%2C_kung_av_Sverige%2C_hertig_av_Holstein-Gottorp_%28Johan_Georg_Henrichsen%29_-_Nationalmuseum_-_16136.tif/lossy-page1-693px-Adolf_Fredrik%2C_1710-1771%2C_kung_av_Sverige%2C_hertig_av_Holstein-Gottorp_%28Johan_Georg_Henrichsen%29_-_Nationalmuseum_-_16136.tif.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Rodakowski_Leonia_Bl%C3%BChdorn_01.jpg/633px-Rodakowski_Leonia_Bl%C3%BChdorn_01.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Aaron_Levy_Lamm_%281821-1877%29.jpg/668px-Aaron_Levy_Lamm_%281821-1877%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Br%C3%B6llopsfoto._Agnes_och_Allan_Spak%2C_Stockholm_-_Nordiska_Museet_-_NMA.0052920_1.jpg/456px-Br%C3%B6llopsfoto._Agnes_och_Allan_Spak%2C_Stockholm_-_Nordiska_Museet_-_NMA.0052920_1.jpg)

(https://dms03.dimu.org/image/032s7Z7VMGBs?dimension=1200x1200)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Louis_Sav%C3%A8s_en_uniforme_avec_la_croix_de_guerre.jpg/512px-Louis_Sav%C3%A8s_en_uniforme_avec_la_croix_de_guerre.jpg)

While the frames around the landscape etc. pictures are bad enough, I find the frames around the portraits especially poignant: a perfect representation of Westerners surrounded with an aura of their own hubris.

Last but not least:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/21/e0/e621e0dea9e9b32b352ef0ed8fb4b22e.png)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Fontainebleau_escalier_roi5.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Fontainebleau_escalier_roi4.jpg)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: SirGalahad on May 07, 2021, 08:54:19 pm
@90sRetroFan Being exposed to Aryanism for long while now, I've developed quite an eye for all the aesthetic elements that make western civilization inferior. One thing that eludes me though, is western music. I know you've spoken positively of Richard Wagner's music, and his music is orchestral/operatic. In what qualities do western orchestral and non-orchestral music differ? (outside of the fact that western orchestral/operatic music starts out with an idea of making orchestral music, whereas in your view, non-western orchestra would be the reverse) <-- Also, does this apply to other genres? If I decide that I want to make rock music specifically, or metal music, or 80s-style synth music, or folk music, or jazz, and piggyback off that idea, would it make that kind of music inferior in the same way that you deem western orchestra inferior?
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 07, 2021, 11:50:06 pm
"I know you've spoken positively of Richard Wagner's music"

Can you point to a specific quote? As far as I can remember, my main positive statements about Wagner consisted of pointing out Nietzsche's dislike of Wagner and siding with Wagner over Nietzsche. From the main site:

Quote
Hitler’s other great influence was Wagner (himself a Schopenhauer disciple, by no coincidence), to the extent that he said: “Whoever wants to understand National Socialism must first know Wagner.” Nietzsche, in contrast, held a negative opinion of both Wagner and Schopenhauer (“The unworthy attempt has been made to see Wagner and Schopenhauer as types of mental illness: one would gain an incomparably more essential insight by making more precise scientifically the type of decadence both represent.” – Friedrich Nietzsche)

This is more about the storylines of Wagner's operas (which express nostalgia for pre-Renaissance times, something which we also encourage) than about the music (which is clearly in the Western classical tradition, a product of the Renaissance, and hence aesthetically contradictory). If I have said anything else about Wagner that I might have forgotten about, please link to it so I can clear things up.

"orchestral"

The issue is not orchestration. In this topic I have also posted examples of solo instrumental:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3981/#msg3981

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4255/#msg4255

and choral:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3962/#msg3962

Western classical music. The issue is that, whatever is used to produce the sound, the sound itself is valued by its complexity. In our enemies' words:

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/07/01/triggered-by-bach-classical-music-as-implicit-white-supremacy/

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The superiority of Western classical music is so decisive one could almost rest the argument for the superiority of Western culture on it alone. There exists a hierarchy in the world of sound, as in other phenomena. Noise occupies the lowest rung in this hierarchy; it is an undifferentiated mass of sound in which no distinction exists. The lowest kind of music, say that of Australia’s Aborigines, most closely corresponds to noise. Western classical music, by contrast, exists on the highest rung because it apprehends sound in the most highly differentiated way possible. It is the farthest from noise and most fully exploits the inherent potential of the world of sound.

The part in bold is what in our ears makes Western classical music ugly. I have described this tendency (common to Western sensory stimulation disciplines) as the compulsion to fill space, which is easiest to point out in visual artworks but is just as true of musical compositions. Anything "fully exploited" is always ugly, as it reflects the ugly temperament of the exploiter.

"I've developed quite an eye for all the aesthetic elements that make western civilization inferior. One thing that eludes me though, is western music."

Setting aside superiority/inferiority for a moment, would you at least agree that Western classical music and Western architecture/painting/fashion/etc. are products of the same collective consciousness? To put it simply, would you agree that Western classical music are a perfect fit with the other forms of the same overall culture? For example, here is a scene packed with post-Renaissance elements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTCPZmmSLqQ

Would you agree everything fits together like a jigsaw puzzle, including the BGM?

If you do not agree, then can you find a stylistically non-Western track that you would consider a more fitting BGM for the same scene?

But if you do agree, then since you say you like the music, in order for you to be aesthetically consistent you should like the other stuff too! Do you?

"If I decide that I want to make rock music specifically, or metal music, or 80s-style synth music, or folk music, or jazz, and piggyback off that idea, would it make that kind of music inferior in the same way that you deem western orchestra inferior?"

No, this is not my position (even for Western classical music). What makes rock etc. preferable is that they do not, in our enemies' words, "fully exploit the inherent potential of the world of sound". But if you decide you want to push the limits of rock until it exploits the inherent potential of the world of sound even more than Western classical music does, then THAT would make your music inferior. I would then call it "Western rock music".
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: SirGalahad on May 08, 2021, 07:40:44 pm
"This is more about the storylines of Wagner's operas (which express nostalgia for pre-Renaissance times, something which we also encourage) than about the music (which is clearly in the Western classical tradition, a product of the Renaissance, and hence aesthetically contradictory)."

Ah, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. You should mention this as a disclaimer in your article pertaining to the arts. I interpreted the section on Wagner, as an endorsement of the music itself

"To put it simply, would you agree that Western classical music are a perfect fit with the other forms of the same overall culture?"

Absolutely.

"But if you do agree, then since you say you like the music, in order for you to be aesthetically consistent you should like the other stuff too! Do you?"

Actually, I never listen to classical music because I find it boring and generic. However, I will admit that I enjoy Wagner's stuff more, in comparison to most other classical music I've experienced. How much of this can be chalked up to conflicting blood memory, and how much of it can be chalked up to my personal bias towards Arthurian legend, as well as towards anything that influenced/was influenced by Aryanism (in this case, Schopenhauer and Wagner), I'm not exactly sure. As for the western elements outside of music, I admire simplicity, in many contexts. For example, I find Pueblo architecture quite beautiful. And I would never consider any of the examples provided here of Aryan aesthetics, "ugly". But I think that if I scrubbed my brain clean of what I've learned from the main site, then I would also appreciate pieces of art and architecture that would be considered non-Aryan. A lot of the examples of western aesthetics shown on here though, are so overly ornate that even I find them hideous

It would be interesting if all Aryanists had to take a test to discern what exactly they find the most appealing in music, art, and architecture, PRIOR to joining the movement and being exposed to our values. A test where the test taker is provided various visual (and auditory) examples of all kinds of art and architecture, and is then asked to choose which they find the most appealing out of each set. Because humans are quite flexible, in the sense that they can mold their tastes to whatever they perceive as the taste of the "dominant" culture. I myself feel that my tastes have skewed somewhat, since becoming an Aryanist
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 09, 2021, 12:56:19 am
"A lot of the examples of western aesthetics shown on here though, are so overly ornate that even I find them hideous"

Another way to describe Western aesthetics is as more adultlike. This is clearly the case for painting, as young children spontaneously draw in 2D:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Child_drawing_age_3_crayon_on_paper.jpg/800px-Child_drawing_age_3_crayon_on_paper.jpg)

and non-Western painting is mostly 2D, whereas Western painting tries to be as 3D as possible:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3980/#msg3980

But I would say the same is true of other forms. For example, you say:

"I find Pueblo architecture quite beautiful."

but would you furthermore agree that it is more childlike?

https://www.cardcow.com/images/set655/card00864_fr.jpg

Conversely, would you agree that Western architecture is by far the most adultlike?

https://daytonperformingarts.org/wp-content/uploads/1920_A_Performance_Images/1920_A_OP4_Baroque.jpg

I believe that Western civilization considers itself superior to non-Western civilizations in the same sense that adults consider themselves superior to children. And just as children have been mostly conditioned to agree that adults really are superior by accepting the adult standards of superiority, non-Western civilizations have similarly been mostly conditioned to agree that Western civilization is superior by accepting Western standards of superiority. Only we can see that the truth is the complete opposite. This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY

is inferior to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R8kWA6jItE

"It would be interesting if all Aryanists had to take a test to discern what exactly they find the most appealing in music, art, and architecture"

Let's not forget faces. (I haven't heard much from you on this either. You are welcome to contribute here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/ )

I never cease to be amused at the sheer consistency of our enemies' bad taste:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg5054/#msg5054

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg5056/#msg5056

This goes all the way back to the old days when I was trying to mock them:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-2/#comment-172405

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“Okay. So many Scandinavians and so forth are not considered “Aryan”..”

Do these look like Aryan faces to you, you moron?

http://cdn3.modelsrating.com/sites/default/files/models/other_photos/Elsa_Hosk_43.jpg

https://s9.postimg.org/q97wptwdr/Mini_Anden_June09.jpg

http://www2.pictures.stylebistro.com/gi/Caroline+Winberg+Updos+Messy+Updo+aQr7rT74ApWx.jpg

http://www.ballade.no/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/fot2007010913085993740444_monica1.jpg

http://www.theplace2.ru/archive/anita_briem/img/AnitaBriem_Premiere_.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Lindsey_Vonn_2011.jpg/729px-Lindsey_Vonn_2011.jpg

and the idiot literally didn't get my point:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-2/#comment-172432

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Absolutely.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Zea_mays on May 09, 2021, 01:49:55 am
Regarding music, much of what is called Western "Classical music" are actually Romantic era compositions, which proceeded what academics classify as Western "Classical music". For example, Beethoven, Mozart, and many other famous composers wrote in the Romantic era and began to aim for more emotionally-moving pieces in the overall style of Romanticism, compared to previous Western compositions. Wagner is also among those who composed in the "Romantic era" of music.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism#Music
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romantic_composers

It was during this era the first equivalent to "rock stars" emerged, as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisztomania

Not to defend this style of music, since anyone who has listened to rock and roll music of the Counterculture can see it much better expresses the Romanticist spirit than the complex 1800s compositions. But I just thought I would add this for the sake of discussion.


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Another way to describe Western aesthetics is as more adultlike.

And even when adults try try to act spontaneous, carefree, silly, or otherwise imitate the "foolishness" of childishness, they often end up just acting like completely retarded cavemen:

!Warning, extremely disgusting examples of Western high art! Watch at least one of these all the way through if you can stomach it. (copy-paste the links, because they automatically embed here and are too disgusting for that, quite frankly).

youtube.com/watch?v=MBdR98xE0Sw
youtube.com/watch?v=At-bsJqEFmU
youtu.be/cAtazIk1IYw?t=350
youtube.com/watch?v=wxCsB8ZaUIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkSADcoDPXM
youtube.com/watch?v=FNdyDazu3V4


(Btw consider that the person who makes these videos is probably more popular (judging by number of subscribers) and more financially successful than 99% of Renaissance and "Classical era" Western artists ever were during their lifetimes).
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 09, 2021, 02:28:49 am
"And even when adults try try to act spontaneous, carefree, silly, or otherwise imitate the "foolishness" of childishness, they often end up just acting like completely retarded cavemen:"

This is a really good point. When as a child I watched children's TV, I was struck by how patronizing most of the presenters were by trying to talk/act childish superficially. Do they really think children enjoy watching them behave like that?

(Similarly, this is why cultural appropriation is annoying.)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on May 09, 2021, 05:47:14 am
That guy behind the "How to Basic" channel really is an obnoxious fellow. Constantly wasting resources and making a mess in order to impressive his primitive viewers who get off on that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 11, 2021, 02:31:25 am
Today let's look at the ugliness of the following uniquely Western product:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lace

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Lace was used by clergy of the early Catholic Church as part of vestments in religious ceremonies. When they first started to use lace and through the 16th century, they primarily used cutwork. Much of their lace was made of gold, silver, and silk. Rich people began to use such expensive lace in clothing trimmings and furnishings such as cushion covers. Dante and other writers of the period noted the change from simple clothing to extravagance. ... lace did not come into widespread use until the 16th century in the northwestern part of the European continent.[11] The popularity of lace increased rapidly and the cottage industry of lace making spread throughout Europe.The late 16th century marked the rapid development of lace, both needle lace and bobbin lace became dominant in both fashion as well as home décor.

As if the wallpapers (see earlier post) weren't bad enough:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Kramklopper.PNG)

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/ArmenianNeedlelace.jpg)

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Svepkrage_linne_-_Livrustkammaren_-_34266.tif/lossy-page1-454px-Svepkrage_linne_-_Livrustkammaren_-_34266.tif.jpg)

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Ireland%3B_industrial_and_agricultural_%281902%29_%2814785225373%29.jpg/800px-Ireland%3B_industrial_and_agricultural_%281902%29_%2814785225373%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286823794%29.jpg/778px-Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286823794%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286823802%29.jpg/800px-Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286823802%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286823830%29.jpg/765px-Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286823830%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286823844%29.jpg/707px-Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286823844%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286829975%29.jpg/800px-Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286829975%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286855025%29.jpg/800px-Cravat_end_-_Google_Art_Project_%286855025%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Fragment_of_a_Man%27s_Cravat_LACMA_AC1993.202.1_%281_of_4%29.jpg/800px-Fragment_of_a_Man%27s_Cravat_LACMA_AC1993.202.1_%281_of_4%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/1940.5_web.jpg/610px-1940.5_web.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/1957.135_web.jpg/638px-1957.135_web.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Verknipte_kantstrook.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Berthe_kraag%2C_objectnr_KA_15375.tif/lossy-page1-1280px-Berthe_kraag%2C_objectnr_KA_15375.tif.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Border_%28ST157%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/235px-Border_%28ST157%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Border_%28ST295%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/238px-Border_%28ST295%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Border_%28ST319%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/270px-Border_%28ST319%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/Border_%28ST353%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/218px-Border_%28ST353%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Border_%28ST359%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/228px-Border_%28ST359%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Border_%28ST368%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/357px-Border_%28ST368%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Border_%28ST371A%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/311px-Border_%28ST371A%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Border_%28ST373%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/259px-Border_%28ST373%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Border_%28ST374A%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/245px-Border_%28ST374A%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Border_%28ST375%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/376px-Border_%28ST375%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Border_%28ST413A%29_-_Lace-Bobbin_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/162px-Border_%28ST413A%29_-_Lace-Bobbin_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/Border_%28ST416%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/254px-Border_%28ST416%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Border_%28ST420%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/320px-Border_%28ST420%29_-_Lace-Machine_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Border_%28ST52%29_-_Lace-Bobbin_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg/338px-Border_%28ST52%29_-_Lace-Bobbin_Lace_-_MoMu_Antwerp.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Border_-_Google_Art_Project_%28jwFE7_kAxmXcbQ%29.jpg/800px-Border_-_Google_Art_Project_%28jwFE7_kAxmXcbQ%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Folding_Fan_LACMA_29.32.8.jpg/798px-Folding_Fan_LACMA_29.32.8.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Frivolit%C3%A9.jpg/800px-Frivolit%C3%A9.jpg)

Possibly nothing else captures the Western impulse to fill space as well as lace does. Not only do they try to fill the entire space of each piece of fabric with pattern, but on a macro level they are clearly trying to fill the configuration space of possible fabric patterns! (Remember the myth of Arachne competing against Athena in weaving? Arachne's cloth probably looked like the above, whereas Athena's cloth probably looked like this: https://5.imimg.com/data5/UU/QH/MY-70893653/white-linen-fabric-500x500.jpg which is what cloth is meant to look like. But since the winner was decided by popular vote, we all know how that ended.....)

Lace applications:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Dentelles_et_guipures_-_anciennes_et_modernes%2C_imitations_ou_copies._Variet%C3%A9_des_genres_et_des_points._52_portraits_documentaires%2C_249_%C3%A9chantillons_de_dentelles%2C_collerettes%2C_fraises%2C_manchettes%2C_%2814775020061%29.jpg/411px-thumbnail.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Dentelles_et_guipures_-_anciennes_et_modernes%2C_imitations_ou_copies._Variet%C3%A9_des_genres_et_des_points._52_portraits_documentaires%2C_249_%C3%A9chantillons_de_dentelles%2C_collerettes%2C_fraises%2C_manchettes%2C_%2814591461309%29.jpg/413px-thumbnail.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Dentelles_et_guipures_-_anciennes_et_modernes%2C_imitations_ou_copies._Variet%C3%A9_des_genres_et_des_points._52_portraits_documentaires%2C_249_%C3%A9chantillons_de_dentelles%2C_collerettes%2C_fraises%2C_manchettes%2C_%2814591393880%29.jpg/482px-thumbnail.jpg)

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Unknown_holland_painter._Portrait_of_woman.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Italian_%28Florentine%29_School_-_Portrait_of_an_Unknown_Lady%2C_Aged_23_%28called_%E2%80%98the_Countess_Miranda%E2%80%99%29_-_1210350_-_National_Trust.jpg/505px-Italian_%28Florentine%29_School_-_Portrait_of_an_Unknown_Lady%2C_Aged_23_%28called_%E2%80%98the_Countess_Miranda%E2%80%99%29_-_1210350_-_National_Trust.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Frans_Hals_-_Nicolaes_Hasselaer_-_WGA11104.jpg/469px-Frans_Hals_-_Nicolaes_Hasselaer_-_WGA11104.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Nicolas_Lafabrique_%28Self_portrait_detail%29.jpg/325px-Nicolas_Lafabrique_%28Self_portrait_detail%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/1911_Britannica_-_Lace_13.jpg/438px-1911_Britannica_-_Lace_13.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/1911_Britannica_-_Lace_8.jpg/445px-1911_Britannica_-_Lace_8.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/1911_Britannica_-_Lace_9.jpg/624px-1911_Britannica_-_Lace_9.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Eduard_von_Gebhardt_Portrait_einer_jungen_Frau_mit_Rose.jpg/501px-Eduard_von_Gebhardt_Portrait_einer_jungen_Frau_mit_Rose.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Dutch_School_Aefge_Gijbland_1598.jpg/467px-Dutch_School_Aefge_Gijbland_1598.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Eustachio_Manfredi._Lithograph_by_C._Luccarini._Wellcome_V0003813.jpg/469px-Eustachio_Manfredi._Lithograph_by_C._Luccarini._Wellcome_V0003813.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/George-Wither.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Jacob_Willemz_Delff_II_portrait_of_Michiel_Pauw.jpg/498px-Jacob_Willemz_Delff_II_portrait_of_Michiel_Pauw.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Paulus_Moreelse_-_Portrait_of_Catharina_van_Voorst_%281595-1650%29_-_88.64.2_-_Minneapolis_Institute_of_Arts.jpg/503px-Paulus_Moreelse_-_Portrait_of_Catharina_van_Voorst_%281595-1650%29_-_88.64.2_-_Minneapolis_Institute_of_Arts.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Sir_Hugh_Myddelton._Stipple_engraving._Wellcome_V0004203.jpg/502px-Sir_Hugh_Myddelton._Stipple_engraving._Wellcome_V0004203.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Sir_William_Segar_Portrait_of_Elizabeth_%E2%80%98Bess%E2%80%99_Throckmorton%2C_Lady_Raleigh.jpg/435px-Sir_William_Segar_Portrait_of_Elizabeth_%E2%80%98Bess%E2%80%99_Throckmorton%2C_Lady_Raleigh.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/William_Harvey_demonstrating_the_palpitations_of_the_foetal_Wellcome_M0016121.jpg/717px-William_Harvey_demonstrating_the_palpitations_of_the_foetal_Wellcome_M0016121.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Bartolommeo_Corsini_1620.jpg/462px-Bartolommeo_Corsini_1620.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Nicolas_de_l%27H%C3%B4pital%2Cduc_de_Vitry.jpg/432px-Nicolas_de_l%27H%C3%B4pital%2Cduc_de_Vitry.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Keizerin_Maria_Theresia_geschilderd_door_Martin_van_Meytens%2C_1752-53.jpg/468px-Keizerin_Maria_Theresia_geschilderd_door_Martin_van_Meytens%2C_1752-53.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Frans_Pourbus_%28II%29_-_Portrait_of_a_Frenchman_-_WGA18248.jpg/483px-Frans_Pourbus_%28II%29_-_Portrait_of_a_Frenchman_-_WGA18248.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Frans_Pourbus_le_Jeune_-_Anne_d%27Autriche%2C_reine_de_France_-_1616.jpg/451px-Frans_Pourbus_le_Jeune_-_Anne_d%27Autriche%2C_reine_de_France_-_1616.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Queen_Victoria_and_her_page%2C_Arthur_Ponsonby.jpg/363px-Queen_Victoria_and_her_page%2C_Arthur_Ponsonby.jpg)

Accompanying Western classical music (audial lace?):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWxPSnGoPG8
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 13, 2021, 01:32:28 am
Multimedia Homo Hubris aesthetics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hTvc3f83Ws




Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: guest5 on May 13, 2021, 09:01:03 pm
I had to laugh the other day as my mother told me how my niece started crying when my step-father walked into the room and tried to play with her. Eventually, he figured out it was his checkered-shirt that was making her cry.  He left the room, changed his shirt, and when he came back she smiled at him. She is only a little over 1 year old. I found it interesting because it shows even very young children can find hectic clustered patterns overwhelming. The checkered pattern on clothing is not Western, this I know, but I couldn't help think of that incident with my niece when I was looking at these lace patterns you posted.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on May 14, 2021, 12:16:40 pm
This goes all the way back to the old days when I was trying to mock them:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-2/#comment-172405

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“Okay. So many Scandinavians and so forth are not considered “Aryan”..”

Do these look like Aryan faces to you, you moron?

http://cdn3.modelsrating.com/sites/default/files/models/other_photos/Elsa_Hosk_43.jpg

https://s9.postimg.org/q97wptwdr/Mini_Anden_June09.jpg

http://www2.pictures.stylebistro.com/gi/Caroline+Winberg+Updos+Messy+Updo+aQr7rT74ApWx.jpg

http://www.ballade.no/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/fot2007010913085993740444_monica1.jpg

http://www.theplace2.ru/archive/anita_briem/img/AnitaBriem_Premiere_.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Lindsey_Vonn_2011.jpg/729px-Lindsey_Vonn_2011.jpg

and the idiot literally didn't get my point:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-2/#comment-172432

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Absolutely.

See also:
Richard Spencer (Gentile) calls Brady an "Aryan Avatar" (lol):
https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/828447273008955393
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Tom Brady: Aryan Avatar#superbowl
That huge cro Magnoid jaw is the furthest thing from Aryan.

Here is what Brady looks like for the record:
(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.othatsherry.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F11%2Fmanly-jaw-tom-brady.jpg&hash=ac4ca1296a83861f9671f13b528ed5aa5f85622f)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 16, 2021, 01:11:41 am
It turns out that YouTube is full of Homo Hubris ball clips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrvh9fX5ilQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtac0FxEfmQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yUAzBRnZkI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjprn_6zRAM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k30OO5_nEWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbXw_CR4d1Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESUzbLWuzY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upfln1Y4z3w

etc.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Zea_mays on May 18, 2021, 10:03:36 pm
Speaking of dance, here is a quote from an anthropologist writing in the year 1900. He speaks very highly about dancing as an art form, and basically says Western forms of dance are inferior to African and other "non-white" cultures.

When I read this the first time it stood out to me and I remember thinking the way he spoke of dance made it seem like he viewed it as the highest art form. Maybe I am misremembering, but I seem to recall Deniker or some other anthropologist from this time period explicitly saying how dull and inferior the Western waltz dance style was compared to non-Western dances.

As a professional academic from 1900, he is using typical Western language, but we can see the point he is trying to make:

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Dancing. — The productions of the graphic arts charm the eye after completion; those of the musical arts are enjoyed only while being performed. But there is an art which combines these two modes of aesthetic enjoyment: it is dancing. Its plastic attitudes are so many pictures, and its movements have a rhythm like music.

This art, sunk among civilised peoples to the level of a simple amusement, plays a large part in the life of uncultured peoples.
[...]
Let us also note that these dances are to the discipline of the elders in order to afford pleasure to the people of their tribe. The joy, moreover, is mutual, for the performers "feel" the dance without seeing it, and the effects of movement.

Dancing is then a great school of "solidarity" in primitive societies; more than any other act, it brings into prominence the benefits of sociality. But this favourable result is only possible in the smaller groupings, in which at least half of the society may take part in the dance; this condition no longer exists in civilised societies, numbering millions on millions of members: thus in these societies the choregraphic art is in a complete state of decay.
-Joseph Deniker (1900).

So, according to him, these non-Western societies are "uncultured" and "uncivilized", yet possess more laudable art than Western societies.  ;D
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 18, 2021, 10:55:55 pm
It's not just the dancing itself, but also the ballroom decor, the ultra-high-sexual-dimorphism outfits, the absurd etiquette. How can anyone (except Westerners) stand to be in there for even a few minutes, let alone an entire evening?

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Dancing is then a great school of "solidarity" in primitive societies; more than any other act, it brings into prominence the benefits of sociality. But this favourable result is only possible in the smaller groupings, in which at least half of the society may take part in the dance

America had precisely this during the Counterculture era (repost):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po0jY4WvCIc
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 20, 2021, 05:57:56 am
More Homo Hubris multimedia (note the garden shots):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBLaMmxyibE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmsIGxYHelQ

Now I need to watch the Pepsi commercial again just to recover.....
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Zea_mays on May 20, 2021, 10:26:05 pm
I suppose the Mass Games of North Korea, which involve dances, gymnastics, and music with tens of thousands of performers, would be an attempt to bring a large society together for a single social event:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_games#North_Korea
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 20, 2021, 11:47:39 pm
My criticism of the Mass Games is that it is too rehearsed, and also lacks a central personality focus. The ideal would be to bring people together spontaneously with no rehearsals required. This actually appeared in the Counterculture era:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_(audience)

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successive groups of spectators briefly stand, yell, and raise their arms. Immediately upon stretching to full height, the spectator returns to the usual seated position.

The result is a wave of standing spectators that travels through the crowd, even though individual spectators never move away from their seats. In many large arenas the crowd is seated in a contiguous circuit all the way around the sport field, and so the wave is able to travel continuously around the arena; in discontiguous seating arrangements, the wave can instead reflect back and forth through the crowd.
...
While there is general disagreement about the precise origin of the wave, most stories of the phenomenon's origin suggest that the wave first started appearing at North American sporting events during the late 1970s and early 1980s.

I think the pop concert atmosphere, where the performers do choreographed dances while the audience dances along informally best captures our values of both spontaneity and individual personality leadership. Skillfully edited music videos are able to transmit this atmosphere into people's homes where they can (and indeed feel compelled to) dance along too. Another social gathering event that satisfies all of the above criteria is 80s/90s professional wrestling. I consider any of these preferable to Mass Games, especially in terms of rewatch value. I have never felt the slightest interest in watching even the best Mass Games event more than once, whereas good pop concerts/MVs and wrestling I enjoy rewatching many times.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 25, 2021, 12:16:22 am
Orszaghaz:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Parlament_a_budai_oldalrol.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Budapest_Night_Parlament_5.jpg/800px-Budapest_Night_Parlament_5.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Hungarian_Parliament_Building_Upper_House_2015.JPG/800px-Hungarian_Parliament_Building_Upper_House_2015.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Budapest_parlament_interior_11.jpg/800px-Budapest_parlament_interior_11.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Chambre_d%C3%A9put%C3%A9s_Parlement_hongrois.jpg/800px-Chambre_d%C3%A9put%C3%A9s_Parlement_hongrois.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Budapest_parlament_interior_13.jpg/800px-Budapest_parlament_interior_13.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Budapest_parlament_interior_5.jpg/399px-Budapest_parlament_interior_5.jpg)

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/File-Budapest_parlament_interior_3.jpg/800px-File-Budapest_parlament_interior_3.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Budapest_parlament_interior_4.jpg/800px-Budapest_parlament_interior_4.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Parliament_Building%2C_Budapest%2C_inside.jpg/800px-Parliament_Building%2C_Budapest%2C_inside.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Hungarian_Parliament_Building_2015_13.JPG/800px-Hungarian_Parliament_Building_2015_13.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Budapest_parlament_interior_9.jpg/800px-Budapest_parlament_interior_9.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Budapest_parlament_interior_8.jpg/800px-Budapest_parlament_interior_8.jpg)

What else do you expect from Vampire Land itself?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMwH3011tTk
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 26, 2021, 10:50:34 pm
Western classical singing is probably the most anti-sentimental singing to be found:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzrebL11Is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFoet3qe6L0


Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 06, 2021, 10:23:07 pm
Homo Hubris + fountain pen = ultra-curly ugliness (and ink wastage):

(https://www.antiquetrader.com/.image/t_share/MTcxODQ4NDE0Njc2NDYwODY2/p1010312a.jpg)

(https://web.archive.org/web/20120523223519im_/http://www.folger.edu/images/collection/007835W5.jpg)

(https://web.archive.org/web/20110419205518im_/http://www.folger.edu/images/collection/007701W5.jpg)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpennavolans.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F02%2F1657-Cocker-pen-Transcendencies-42.jpg&hash=a97307f4e32d50cf42aad89eea98159683f3e03d)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/DaWDjyfWQjiDz9FPXjJ-boKHwq2mTwM5c0m5pZg7rJxHPBfNy4WRtn5y-nA5vlvpT9_HiBWJcTR87n0rZhGSNCnxMqZUMqeuHUTViFM)

(https://collation.folger.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2018/06/Image-1-500x375.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/EcritureRonde-Encyclopedie.jpg/729px-EcritureRonde-Encyclopedie.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLHG2d0WoAUeZr6.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/a3/b5/cea3b58b1a7f1299968716da15e2c1d2.jpg)

(https://www.newberry.org/sites/default/files/styles/lightbox-overlay/public/wing_zw_645_c638_plt_13%20copy.jpg?itok=KOuaKeJd)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0692/4767/files/IrishBlessing_for_web_b3e06573-49d1-4dc2-bc1e-5da48a28ac86_large.png?v=1541877749)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b5/8c/28/b58c2849c45eab84254b53e9cce91707.png)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/99/b1/cf99b1347c3eedb5de19e454bfb60cd9.jpg)

(https://i.etsystatic.com/6909586/r/il/57ce73/1032720252/il_1588xN.1032720252_5mr7.jpg)

(https://cdn.w600.comps.canstockphoto.com/modern-gothic-calligraphy-love-clipart-vector_csp68056457.jpg)

(https://previews.123rf.com/images/geekclick/geekclick1910/geekclick191000006/132152193-x-e-w-y-z-in-the-gothic-style-vector-letters-and-symbols-on-a-white-background-calligraphy-with-blac.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2A4NMKM/f-m-r-w-in-the-gothic-style-vector-letters-and-symbols-on-a-white-background-calligraphy-with-black-marker-medieval-latin-letters-elegant-font-2A4NMKM.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/fi9C6kfVY_0aA-lgO1WHPhgLf2WTUJDeC8gzj-7sMgAsl3xFLnS-RE5dPrbnABkj0_VWW5kTsNJnFqj78u_tHH5k8vV-qyoikjBtgQVkeROGKe4k4og-__vJHUJqzzeiJPO1VLdkEDoj)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/gfLNMvcEHvqrIQGUTac19qRi-iPHAe5ig5iLHqkxaHcYM1kpzHhgyeB8XjKGJPGe4IfY7X7U6HSI6TFRMKrnTSOhn1yby0w)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Beauchesne_Italique_Hande.jpg/800px-Beauchesne_Italique_Hande.jpg)

(https://www.princeton.edu/~graphicarts/assets_c/2012/03/penman%208-thumb-400x244-15814.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ee/26/cf/ee26cf50c9754cd56a0c467937c2432d.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/4b/51/5e4b51f4d1d9590d821c0125f6a56873.jpg)

(https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/Forum-Auctions/30/666030/H20198-L200063710.jpg)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-e_Z46qPYoOc%2FVfwZUw2sRMI%2FAAAAAAAADWA%2Fp1f09KcyBJw%2Fs1600%2Fshelley25.jpg&hash=49cb2b3b42d7cb6e3f0e2e31bc6eafd6dd22b539)

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(https://ia801906.us.archive.org/29/items/nby_107327/Van_Horicke_letter_R.jpg)

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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/e4/eb/61e4eb91f5542b3da6f6085f4ad9e813.jpg)

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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/a0/3a/b1a03a504420bde11db0b6adbdd8e91a.jpg)

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(https://c8.alamy.com/zooms/6/405cd960e8fe4a45bcdaa818febfca01/2c2jmpf.jpg)

Finally, can anyone even read the following?

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Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on June 06, 2021, 10:52:41 pm
I always hated writing in cursive when I was a child...
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: acc9 on June 07, 2021, 07:41:18 am
I find what's missing in the western civilization could actually be what's conveyed in the Chinese word , a character which is comprised of 'water' and 'verdant', signifying that which is free from embellishments.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: SirGalahad on June 07, 2021, 03:19:47 pm
@90sRetroFan What do you think about Arabic/Islamic calligraphy? Do the same criticisms apply? How do you think it could be improved?
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: guest5 on June 07, 2021, 04:17:30 pm
And then there's Russian cursive:

(https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/russian-cursive-5f200ac4e1a3c__700.jpg)

Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 07, 2021, 11:37:49 pm
@acc9

You are correct. In English, words that describe absence of embellishment ("plain", "bland", etc.) popularly carry negative connotations, instead of being associated with beauty (as they should be). Indeed, "plain" is a polite way of calling someone/something ugly in colonial era (and even present-day!) Western usage. This is how screwed up Western aesthetics are.

@SirGalahad

Diwani is by far the most complicated style (which I myself am not a fan of):

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Diwani_style

but even it does not embellish a single letter anywhere near as much as the Western examples I posted. (Also, Muslims do not go around claiming that Islamic civilization is the most beautiful, so there is no particular need for us to attack Islamic aesthetics. What this topic is about is showing the absurdity of such a claim being frequently made - and unhesitatingly believed by billions of Eurocentrists worldwide! - for Western civilization.)

Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: SirGalahad on June 08, 2021, 03:15:51 pm
"Also, Muslims do not go around claiming that Islamic civilization is the most beautiful, so there is no particular need for us to attack Islamic aesthetics. What this topic is about is showing the absurdity of such a claim being frequently made - and unhesitatingly believed by billions of Eurocentrists worldwide! - for Western civilization."

That's fair. I just thought it would be interesting to ponder what an Islamic civilization would look like in its original cultural sphere, if it were to appropriate more of our aesthetic standards
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 08, 2021, 10:44:24 pm
There was a topic in the old forum (which I haven't yet reposted) dedicated to displaying pre-colonial non-Western aesthetics, in which I included some examples of the much earlier Kufic style calligraphy which I prefer. If you do not want to wait, please feel free to start a new topic, and I will simply repost the old content there bit by bit later.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: guest5 on June 08, 2021, 10:47:26 pm
What's interesting to myself also on this topic is the fact that most graffiti writers do not even embellish a single letter as much as some of the Western characters mentioned above and a graffiti writers entire art is based on letter embellishment.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 08, 2021, 11:38:48 pm
Graffiti is Counterculture, duh!
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on July 18, 2021, 12:59:44 pm
Touring a 79,995,000 Oceanfront Florida MEGA MANSION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IId792kUp0
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On this week episode, we are in Delray Beach, FL touring an Italian Renaissance Revival style mega mansion with direct access to both the Atlantic Ocean and the Intracoastal waterway !

The best way to renovate a mansion like this would be to blow it to smithereens.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 19, 2021, 12:42:52 am
The first question we should ask is: what is Renaissance Revival architecture doing in FLORIDA?? How is it even "Revival" considering that Florida never had built in such a style prior to the colonial era?

As for the architecture itself, it is no coincidence that the parts that the presenter is most impressed by (e.g. the club room) are actually the worst parts.

More information about Renaissance Revival is available here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Revival_architecture

Can you guess who else is a fan of this style?

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The staircase at Mentmore Towers designed by Joseph Paxton, and the one at the Warsaw University of Technology designed by Bronisław Rogóyski and Stefan Szyller (late 19th century), both rise from pastiches of true Renaissance courtyards. Both staircases seem more akin to Balthasar Neumann's great Baroque staircase at the Würzburg Residenz than anything found in a true Renaissance Palazzo. The apparent Baroque style staircase at Mentmore is not without a Renaissance influence, its first flight is similar to "The staircase of the Giants" rises from the Doge's Palace Courtyard, designed when the Venetian Gothic was being uncomfortably merged with Renaissance style. Similarly to that at Mentmore, the Staircase of the Giant's terminates on to an arcaded loggia. Perhaps not ironically the Hall and Staircase at Mentmore were designed by Paxton to display furniture formerly housed in the Doge's Palace.

Answer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentmore_Towers

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Mentmore Towers, historically known simply as "Mentmore", is a 19th-century English country house built between 1852 and 1854 for the Rothschild family in the village of Mentmore in Buckinghamshire. Sir Joseph Paxton and his son-in-law, George Henry Stokes,[1][2] designed the building in the 19th-century revival of late 16th and early 17th-century Elizabethan and Jacobean styles called Jacobethan.[3][4] The house was designed for the banker and collector of fine art Baron Mayer de Rothschild as a country home, and as a display case for his collection of fine art. The mansion has been described as one of the greatest houses of the Victorian era.[5][6]

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Mentmore_Towers_%28Rothschild_Mansion%29%2C_Great_Hall_%283611575394%29.jpg/760px-Mentmore_Towers_%28Rothschild_Mansion%29%2C_Great_Hall_%283611575394%29.jpg)

The Rothschilds are such renowned patrons of the style that they got it named after themselves:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go%C3%BBt_Rothschild

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Le Goût Rothschild, (pronounced [lə ɡu ʁɔtˈʃild]; English: the Rothschild taste), describes a detailed, elaborate style of interior decoration and living which had its origin in France, Britain, Austria, and Germany during the nineteenth century, when the rich, famous, and powerful Rothschild family was at its height. The Rothschild aesthetic and life-style later influenced other rich and powerful families, including the Vanderbilts, Astors, and Rockefellers, and became hallmarks of the American Gilded Age. Aspects of le goût Rothschild continued into the twentieth century, affecting such designers as Yves Saint Laurent and Robert Denning.

Characteristics

The decorative interior elements of the "Goût Rothschild" include lavish use of extravagant heavy textile fabrics (like damask, brocade, and velvet) and much gilding, elaborate stucco ceilings, and precious (and often antique) wooden panelling and parquet flooring. This heavy abundance is combined with eighteenth-century, mostly French, furniture. For the Rothschilds, furniture and works of art often were of royal provenance. The family bought only the best which was on the market at that time, with preference for the reigns of Louis XIV, Louis XV, and Louis XVI. And not so long ago after the French Revolution in 1789, there were some excellent pieces to buy, including many from the Château de Versailles. In architecture, the Rothschilds preferred styles of the Renaissance. The fusion of these uses of materials and styles, "the Rothschild style", combines a sense of Victorian horror vacui beside masterworks of art, sculpture, and armour.

With the construction of Waddesdon Manor, the newly established English branch of the Rothschild family revived imitation of French Renaissance styles in the United Kingdom. The expansive manor house was built in the tradition of the châteaux in the Loire Valley. The Rothschilds often bought original architectural elements from neglected castles and palaces and re-used these floors, fireplaces, ceilings, doors, and panellings in their own newly built castles and palaces, as, for example, in Mentmore Towers, Waddesdon Manor, the Château de Ferrières, and the Villa Ephrussi de Rothschild at Saint-Jean-Cap-Ferrat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waddesdon_Manor

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Entryway_-_Waddesdon_Manor_-_Buckinghamshire%2C_England_-_DSC07600.jpg/800px-Entryway_-_Waddesdon_Manor_-_Buckinghamshire%2C_England_-_DSC07600.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/Waddesden_Manor03.JPG/800px-Waddesden_Manor03.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Morning_Room_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg/760px-Morning_Room_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Red_Drawing_Room_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg/474px-Red_Drawing_Room_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/East_Gallery_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg/738px-East_Gallery_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Pedestal_clock_by_Andr%C3%A9-Charles_Boulle%2C_movement_by_George_Graham%2C_1720-1725_-_Waddesdon_Manor_-_Buckinghamshire%2C_England_-_DSC07655.jpg/400px-Pedestal_clock_by_Andr%C3%A9-Charles_Boulle%2C_movement_by_George_Graham%2C_1720-1725_-_Waddesdon_Manor_-_Buckinghamshire%2C_England_-_DSC07655.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Grey_Drawing_Room_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg/761px-Grey_Drawing_Room_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Waddesdon_Manor-27501737142.jpg/800px-Waddesdon_Manor-27501737142.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Candlabras_-_Dining_Room_-_Waddesdon_Manor%2C_Waddesdon%2C_Buckinghamshire-21013596225.jpg/450px-Candlabras_-_Dining_Room_-_Waddesdon_Manor%2C_Waddesdon%2C_Buckinghamshire-21013596225.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/The_Parterre_at_sunrise%2C_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg/800px-The_Parterre_at_sunrise%2C_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Waddesdon_Manor_Office-27324185360.jpg/800px-Waddesdon_Manor_Office-27324185360.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Blue_Dining_Room_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg/800px-Blue_Dining_Room_at_Waddesdon_Manor.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Musical_automaton_by_Hubert_Martinet%2C_London%2C_1768-1772%2C_bronze_with_gilt_and_patinated_bronze%2C_oil_paint%2C_paste%2C_mother_of_pearl%2C_glass_-_Waddesdon_Manor_-_Buckinghamshire%2C_England_-_DSC07639.jpg/400px-thumbnail.jpg)

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palais_Rothschild

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rothschild_family_residences
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on July 19, 2021, 12:55:52 am
"The first question we should ask is: what is Renaissance Revival architecture doing in FLORIDA??"

Many of those in the Italian diaspora feel closer to "Italy" (i.e. the Italian Renaissance) and hence Western Civilization than they do to America.

I am not stereotyping all Italians, but those who feel any sort of affinity to the Renaissance should be prohibited from reproducing.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Zea_mays on July 20, 2021, 09:15:38 am
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Many of those in the Italian diaspora feel closer to "Italy" (i.e. the Italian Renaissance) and hence Western Civilization than they do to America.

Which is why Columbus Day is a holiday in the US, despite Columbus never setting foot in the US--so Italian-descendants in New York could have a holiday dedicated to an "Italian"!

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On a different topic, I recently learned the exteriors of gothic cathedrals used to be covered in gaudy paint:

https://www.churchpop.com/2015/02/23/medieval-cathedrals-color/

https://useum.org/artwork/Wells-Cathedral-s-Magnum-Opus-Main-Panel-15th-century-2005-C-Matthew-Grayson-matthew-grayson-2005


(https://www.churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/amiens-cathedral-west-facade-colored-lighting-2-of-2.jpg)

(https://www.churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/amiens-cathedral-west-facade-portal-of-the-virgin-1-of-1.jpg)

(https://www.churchpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/amiens-cathedral-the-central-portal-colored-lighting-1.jpg)

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(Similarly, this is why cultural appropriation is annoying.)


I wish more discussions about cultural appropriation mentioned Western Civilization's long history of it. Most activists who speak out against cultural appropriation seem to focus exclusively on present-day examples, yet are always extremely vague and rarely list anything specific.

Meanwhile, for hundreds of years non-Western cultures were imitated, commercialized, and fetishized for their 'exoticness' while Western nations colonized and subjgated them... It's not "cultural exchange" when only one side is doing all the taking and is producing a shallow imitation, nor is it "cultural appreciation" when one side is literally colonizing and subjugating the other...

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Europeans developed an appetite for exoticism as greater emphasis was put on empire building and colonization in other nations. There was a growing fashion for Turkish styles in Europe in the 15th and 16th centuries. Europeans did not regard Ottomans as rivals that they had to contend with and imitate militarily, politically, or diplomatically, but rather as an exotic foreign people possessing quaint and strange fashions that could be consumed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turquerie#European_perspective
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinoiserie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonisme
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism#In_European_architecture_and_design

They even tried to appropriate Chinese garden designs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharawadgi

Although it helped them move a bit away from the "French formal garden" style:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_landscape_garden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_landscape_garden
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 22, 2021, 02:23:12 am
"shallow imitation"

It's even worse than this. The shallow imitation then gets elevated above the original in the minds of many of the colonized people purely due to Eurocentrism, and they themselves start producing works in the imitation style deliberately catering to the inferior Western tastes (which they yet presume to be superior):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_export_porcelain

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Chinese export porcelain includes a wide range of Chinese porcelain that was made (almost) exclusively for export to Europe and later to North America between the 16th and the 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_export_porcelain

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Often the shapes were dictated by the export markets, but the decoration was predominantly East Asian in style, although quite often developed from Dutch imitations of Chinese pieces.

This is the same as what has much more recently happened in our own lifetimes with video games (Western preference for 3D causing even non-Western companies to almost completely discontinue development of 2D games in which they had previously excelled):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/is-counterculture-still-alive/msg7200/#msg7200

Similarly with movies/TV shows/etc.. Producers/directors/etc. talk about catering to the "international market" when they what really mean (whether they are conscious of it or not) is catering to the Western market. Not long ago I was talking to acc9 in private about Zhang Yimou who does embarrassingly shameless Orientalism to titillate exoticism-seeking Westerners:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDagtOmhkGo

yet whose Chinese fans think (due to his receiving Western awards) this is what good wuxia is like, thereby obscuring awareness of what the real thing is meant to be like.

"They even tried to appropriate Chinese garden designs:"
"Although it helped them move a bit away from the "French formal garden" style:"

I actually did a post on this in the old forum which I haven't reposted yet (due to the large number of pictures). It is important to raise awareness that landscape gardens are anti-Western.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Zea_mays on July 31, 2021, 10:04:14 pm
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Similarly with movies/TV shows/etc.. Producers/directors/etc. talk about catering to the "international market" when they what really mean (whether they are conscious of it or not) is catering to the Western market. Not long ago I was talking to acc9 in private about Zhang Yimou who does embarrassingly shameless Orientalism to titillate exoticism-seeking Westerners:

Wow, is that from a serious film? It looks like some ridiculous satire.

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On the topic of Western aesthetics being the opposite of child-like, here are some paintings that make this contrast obvious:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/ca/10/0aca103ac4a4deabbff1697cf3a92994.jpg)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzlibzw70O1qe866ho1_1280.jpg)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzlihms1yA1qe866ho1_1280.jpg)
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzlifp0TbS1qe866ho1_1280.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles-Andr%C3%A9_van_Loo

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On another topic, self-aggrandizement is an important part of Western art.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Giovanni_Paolo_Panini_%E2%80%93_Modern_Rome.jpg/1280px-Giovanni_Paolo_Panini_%E2%80%93_Modern_Rome.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Rome

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/El_archiduque_Leopoldo_Guillermo_en_su_galer%C3%ADa_de_pinturas_en_Bruselas_%28David_Teniers_II%29.jpg/959px-El_archiduque_Leopoldo_Guillermo_en_su_galer%C3%ADa_de_pinturas_en_Bruselas_%28David_Teniers_II%29.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Archduke_Leopold_Wilhelm_in_his_Painting_Gallery_in_Brussels

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Johan_Zoffany_-_Tribuna_of_the_Uffizi_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg/756px-Johan_Zoffany_-_Tribuna_of_the_Uffizi_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribuna_of_the_Uffizi_(painting)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/45/28/f945289d526241aaefe903b6d65fac0d.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/da/e5/bfdae56148f31c9270797882fadda9e1.jpg)
(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn2.all-art.org%2FDICTIONARY_of_Art%2Ff%2Ffrancken%2F3.jpg&hash=2f2d662575b7e00e7bb20f4a617e0c740c65f694)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Kensington_Palace%2C_Presence_Chamber%2C_by_James_Stephanoff%2C_1816_-_royal_coll_922150_313711_ORI_2.jpg)

...And plenty of others:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/318418636136734169/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/743023638494710112/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/743023638494710105/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/743023638494710183/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/19844054585075996/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/772508142337279825/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/657595983075803176/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Paintings_of_art_galleries
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 01, 2021, 01:14:20 am
"Wow, is that from a serious film? It looks like some ridiculous satire."

To you and to me it looks like satire. To Westerners, however:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_(2002_film)#Critical_response

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On Rotten Tomatoes, the film has an approval rating of 94% based on 211 reviews, with an average rating of 8.20/10. The website's critics consensus reads, "With death-defying action sequences and epic historic sweep, Hero offers everything a martial arts fan could ask for."[17] On Metacritic, the film has a weighted average score of 85 out of 100 based on 42 critics, indicating "universal acclaim".[18] Audiences surveyed by CinemaScore gave the film a grade "A-" on scale of A to F.[19]

And then the West-worshipping Chinese trust the Western reviews and start making more of the same.....

"On the topic of Western aesthetics being the opposite of child-like, here are some paintings that make this contrast obvious:"

These are adults in children's bodies! Then again, what else can we expect from Westerners who often use the term "precocious" with a positive connotation.....

"On another topic, self-aggrandizement is an important part of Western art."

Excellent examples! This is yet another form of space-filling, this time with paintings inside paintings. One way or another, Westerners will try to fill every space they get their hands on.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 07, 2021, 10:02:09 pm
For the Olympic edition, I have to mention synchronized swimming, which is of course of Western origin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_swimming#History

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At the turn of the 20th century, synchronised swimming was known as water ballet. The first recorded competition was in 1891 in Berlin, Germany. Many swim clubs were formed around that time, and the sport simultaneously developed in Canada. As well as existing as a sport, it often constituted a popular addition to Music Hall evenings, in the larger variety theatres of London or Glasgow which were equipped with on-stage water tanks for the purpose.

In 1907, Australian Annette Kellermann popularised the sport when she performed in a glass tank as an underwater ballerina (the first water ballet in a glass tank) in the New York Hippodrome.[2]

In the past, I had never really watched more than a few seconds of it at a time (I always changed channels) as it never interested me, but this time, mostly for the sake of this topic, I forced myself to watch entire routines. By the end I literally felt nauseous. Visually, it's almost as bad as Western landscaping (only better in that at least it does not involve violence)! All the Western aesthetical kinks are present: symmetry, geometric complexity, sexual dimorphism, ornate clothing, etc.. By the way, Russia wins gold every time in this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHbsTIu-XgM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttSUhspgwUA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktgrw4jVqYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDi8J4g-pUk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50VqWQUgSto

etc.

How can anyone possibly find this enjoyable to watch? Then I remembered: Westerners exist......

I find even regular swimming infinitely more pleasant to watch than this ****.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Zea_mays on August 10, 2021, 06:07:40 pm
Video of how impractical Western women's clothing from the 1890s was:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHR_l9ShK8C/
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 10, 2021, 11:55:53 pm
In response to Carlson's recent praise of vampire architecture:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/msg8012/#msg8012

This is probably what Carlson finds "uplifting"?

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/PestiVigadoFotoThalerTamas3.JPG/800px-PestiVigadoFotoThalerTamas3.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/PestiVigadoFotoThalerTamas5.JPG/800px-PestiVigadoFotoThalerTamas5.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/PestiVigadoFotoThalerTamas6.JPG/800px-PestiVigadoFotoThalerTamas6.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/PestiVigadoFotoThalerTamas7.JPG/800px-PestiVigadoFotoThalerTamas7.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/PestiVigadoFotoThalerTamas8.JPG/800px-PestiVigadoFotoThalerTamas8.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/VigadoFotoThalerTamas22.jpg/800px-VigadoFotoThalerTamas22.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Vigad%C3%B3._Ground_floor._Foyer._Listed_ID_664._-_Vigad%C3%B3_Sq.%2C_Budapest.JPG/450px-Vigad%C3%B3._Ground_floor._Foyer._Listed_ID_664._-_Vigad%C3%B3_Sq.%2C_Budapest.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Vigad%C3%B3._Ground_floor._Foyer._Listed_ID_664._Ceiling._-_Budapest.JPG/800px-Vigad%C3%B3._Ground_floor._Foyer._Listed_ID_664._Ceiling._-_Budapest.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Vigad%C3%B3._Listed_building_ID_664._Ornamented_stairs._2nd_fl._-_Budapest.JPG/800px-Vigad%C3%B3._Listed_building_ID_664._Ornamented_stairs._2nd_fl._-_Budapest.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Vigad%C3%B3._Listed_ID_664._2nd_floor._Panoramic_corridor._-_Budapest.JPG/800px-Vigad%C3%B3._Listed_ID_664._2nd_floor._Panoramic_corridor._-_Budapest.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Vigad%C3%B3._Listed_ID_664._Ground_floor._Foyer._Lamp._-_Vigad%C3%B3_Sq.%2C_Budapest.JPG/800px-Vigad%C3%B3._Listed_ID_664._Ground_floor._Foyer._Lamp._-_Vigad%C3%B3_Sq.%2C_Budapest.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Budapest_%28agost_2012%29_-_panoramio_%285%29.jpg/800px-Budapest_%28agost_2012%29_-_panoramio_%285%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Baths_R02.jpg/800px-Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Baths_R02.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Bath._Lantern_part._Heads.jpg/450px-Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Bath._Lantern_part._Heads.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/03_2019_photo_Paolo_Villa_-_F0197831_bis_-_Budapest_-_Terme.jpg/800px-03_2019_photo_Paolo_Villa_-_F0197831_bis_-_Budapest_-_Terme.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Gy%C3%B3gyf%C3%BCrd%C5%91_%C3%A9p%C3%BClete_%281220._sz%C3%A1m%C3%BA_m%C5%B1eml%C3%A9k%29_4.jpg/800px-Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Gy%C3%B3gyf%C3%BCrd%C5%91_%C3%A9p%C3%BClete_%281220._sz%C3%A1m%C3%BA_m%C5%B1eml%C3%A9k%29_4.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Gy%C3%B3gyf%C3%BCrd%C5%91_thermal_spa_in_Budapest_012.JPG/800px-Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Gy%C3%B3gyf%C3%BCrd%C5%91_thermal_spa_in_Budapest_012.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi_gy%C3%B3gyf%C3%BCrd%C5%91_%2831224389942%29.jpg/800px-Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi_gy%C3%B3gyf%C3%BCrd%C5%91_%2831224389942%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Hungary_2008-08-17_%283083171010%29.jpg/782px-Hungary_2008-08-17_%283083171010%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/HU-budap-szechenyi-bad-erlebn_2.jpg/800px-HU-budap-szechenyi-bad-erlebn_2.jpg)

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Thermal_Bath_dome_%2817112540964%29.jpg/600px-Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Thermal_Bath_dome_%2817112540964%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Sz%C3%A9chenyi_baths_2014_2.jpg/800px-Sz%C3%A9chenyi_baths_2014_2.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Sz%C3%A9chenyiho_l%C3%A1zn%C4%9B_6.JPG/800px-Sz%C3%A9chenyiho_l%C3%A1zn%C4%9B_6.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi-Bad_Eingangshalle_1.JPG/799px-Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi-Bad_Eingangshalle_1.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi-Bad_Eingangshalle_4.JPG/799px-Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi-Bad_Eingangshalle_4.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi-Bad_Eingangshalle_Statue_1.JPG/799px-Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi-Bad_Eingangshalle_Statue_1.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Sz%C3%A9chenyiho_l%C3%A1zn%C4%9B_5.JPG/800px-Sz%C3%A9chenyiho_l%C3%A1zn%C4%9B_5.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/HU-budap-szechenyi-bad-eing-flur.jpg/800px-HU-budap-szechenyi-bad-eing-flur.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Gy%C3%B3gyf%C3%BCrd%C5%91_2014_5.jpg/800px-Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Gy%C3%B3gyf%C3%BCrd%C5%91_2014_5.jpg)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Polinc_Socjus on August 11, 2021, 12:07:47 am
Nice contrast in the last image with the simple tables and chairs. Like a clean spot.
Also further up the thread on the Buckingham Palace tour with the marimba music.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 20, 2021, 05:22:12 am
This next set of pictures is literally horror movie material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisque_doll

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French and German bisque dolls began taking over the market after 1860, and their production continued after World War I.[2] These dolls wore wigs, typically made from mohair or human hair.[6] Between approximately 1860 and 1890 most bisque dolls were fashion dolls, made to represent grown up women. They were intended for children of affluent families to play with and dress in contemporary fashions.[2] These dolls came from French companies like Jumeau, Bru, Gaultier, Rohmer, Simone and Huret, though their heads were often manufactured in Germany.[2] In the Passage Choiseul area of Paris an industry grew around making clothing and accessories for the dolls.[2]

Up until the mid-19th century, most dolls were made to represent grown-ups, and when childlike dolls first appeared it was a big shift. By the late 19th century childlike dolls overtook the market.[2]

You have been warned:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Poup%C3%A9es_de_collection_2.jpg/800px-Poup%C3%A9es_de_collection_2.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/137_Nina%2C_sala_de_les_diversions%2C_gabinet_del_col%C2%B7leccionista_%28Museu_Mar%C3%A8s%2C_Barcelona%29.jpg/450px-137_Nina%2C_sala_de_les_diversions%2C_gabinet_del_col%C2%B7leccionista_%28Museu_Mar%C3%A8s%2C_Barcelona%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Antique_doll_%285626864579%29.jpg/450px-Antique_doll_%285626864579%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Arrangement_of_Dolls_at_Museum_of_Childhood%2C_Edinburgh.JPG/800px-Arrangement_of_Dolls_at_Museum_of_Childhood%2C_Edinburgh.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Guildhall_Museum_Collection_1-8_Simon_%26_Halbig_bisque_%2C_with_composition_body_3159cd.JPG/600px-Guildhall_Museum_Collection_1-8_Simon_%26_Halbig_bisque_%2C_with_composition_body_3159cd.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/St._Petersburg_IMG_2689-1_%2810624045454%29.jpg/407px-St._Petersburg_IMG_2689-1_%2810624045454%29.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/8c/8c/bf8c8c3c169482975fe7675614b2856a.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/uvS4g8b2QK3dw6cZ4GXtnAClrkIzdQ-doxhz9U2btWENYviJ4Nl2DMYNMqMKtXU9g6f8SBchMj1okPWOoOZedLoacUSgwR8vg_6BvrYIbcqfh6Ar96rg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/2b/2e/a4/2b2ea4315c12785883357085ed4fcb14.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/54/5e/67545ee22c8108f7456008746e3abc9c.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/17/78/a2177808672c2986924145d157285ec6.jpg)

(https://porcelaindollsandlace.com/uploads/3/4/2/5/34254463/february-11-2020-145.jpg?250)

(https://d3h6k4kfl8m9p0.cloudfront.net/stories/QZnJ5OG6s0eGaeJ0B6-mOQ.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/d1/cc/8fd1ccaacbdc796336e2e314fb3d8a16.jpg)

(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/026/496/372/large/masahiro-kato-mk-doll-01.jpg?1588931624)

(https://media.karousell.com/media/photos/products/2020/6/17/seymour_porcelain_doll_collect_1592359346_fde2c374_progressive.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/a1/18/a1a11849e0cf1fd5428146a40c26fc37.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/IXUAAOSwa3FcDuAt/s-l640.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9a/60/bf/9a60bfa4973561ff54d5b690c1ea6ef1.jpg)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/two-victorian-dolls-for-sale-in-a-brocant-street-market-29th-july-picture-id632656986?s=612x612)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ssg1st5iP4Y/hqdefault.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/B96GAB/german-dolls-made-by-armach-marseli-late-19th-century-unique-dolls-B96GAB.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rriqdrJbzNs/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://aarauctions.com/live/images/auction-1520/large-65493.0_1.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2CJCC69/a-worker-adjusts-the-hair-on-a-french-bisque-doll-at-the-vectis-auction-house-in-stockton-on-tees-britain-november-23-2015-the-doll-from-approximately-1880-is-estimated-to-sell-for-6000-8000-gb-pounds-when-auctioned-in-a-doll-and-teddy-bear-auction-on-tuesday-reutersphil-noble-2CJCC69.jpg)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 04, 2021, 12:04:15 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCPgOvQAefY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tegnMXwx99k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAbzaEpmn2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEf8b-q3LFc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrvlPxdmva0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-XTUpkV7X4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnTPre24MJg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhX97ILWflc

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/statue-decolonization/msg9182/#msg9182
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: guest55 on October 10, 2021, 02:56:01 pm
Lord Rothschild: The Billionaire Collector | The Wonderful World of Gordon Watson | BBC Documentary
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In the first of six episodes, art dealer Gordon Watson meets Lord Rothschild from the famous banking dynasty. Lord Rothschild has been collecting art since he was ten and has added to a remarkable family collection of traditional and contemporary art, furniture and design, spread between Waddesdon Manor and the Flint House on his estate in Buckinghamshire. Gordon and Lord Rothschild have known one another for some years but it has been a while since Gordon has visited Waddesdon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZf5fbgoaWQ
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Solar Guy on October 14, 2021, 08:33:59 am
Western wedding gowns are a prime example of this ugliness. They combine complexity of design with provocativeness, aiming at emphasizing the sexual dymorphism.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Solar Guy on October 16, 2021, 02:08:49 am
"Westerners will try to fill every space they get their hands on"

Another modern example: tattoos. They know this crap is painful and a health hazard, but they do it anyway because they cannot resist the urge to fill the empty space of their skin.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 16, 2021, 04:12:40 am
To be fair, tattooing is not exclusively of Western origin. Unless you mean that Western tattoo designs more strongly emphasize space-filling than non-Western tattoo designs? If so, please provide pictorial examples. You may well be correct(?), as many Western tattoo designs certainly adapt elements developed by Western calligraphy, and we have already looked at how overcomplicated that is:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg6962/#msg6962
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 09, 2021, 10:57:46 pm
Considering the recent display of Polish cruelty towards refugees, I figured we should look at some Polish examples of Homo Hubris aesthetics. Let's go straight to Wawel:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Royal_Garden_in_castle_of_Wawel_in_Krak%C3%B3w_2015_%281%29.JPG/800px-Royal_Garden_in_castle_of_Wawel_in_Krak%C3%B3w_2015_%281%29.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Gabinet_Zygmunta_III_Wazy.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Poland-01779_-_Anna%27s_tomb_%2831970703362%29.jpg/800px-Poland-01779_-_Anna%27s_tomb_%2831970703362%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Nagrobek_Zygmunta_Starego_i_Zygmunta_Augusta.jpg/450px-Nagrobek_Zygmunta_Starego_i_Zygmunta_Augusta.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Plixen_Tazza_from_Sigismund_III%27s_service.jpg/603px-Plixen_Tazza_from_Sigismund_III%27s_service.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Medal_of_W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_IV_Vasa.jpg/424px-Medal_of_W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_IV_Vasa.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/7532vik_Wawel._Foto_Barbara_Maliszewska.jpg/800px-7532vik_Wawel._Foto_Barbara_Maliszewska.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/7530vik_Wawel._Foto_Barbara_Maliszewska.jpg/1280px-7530vik_Wawel._Foto_Barbara_Maliszewska.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Residence_Ceiling_Heads%2C_Wawel_Castle%2C_Krakow.jpg/1280px-Residence_Ceiling_Heads%2C_Wawel_Castle%2C_Krakow.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Detal_na_dziedziniecu_zamku_na_Wawelu.jpg/393px-Detal_na_dziedziniecu_zamku_na_Wawelu.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/Vasa_Bedroom_at_Wawel_Castle.jpg/800px-Vasa_Bedroom_at_Wawel_Castle.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Bird_Room_at_Wawel_Castle.jpg/460px-Bird_Room_at_Wawel_Castle.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Bird_Room%2C_Wawel_Castle%2C_Krakow.jpg/800px-Bird_Room%2C_Wawel_Castle%2C_Krakow.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Fireplace_in_the_Bird_Room.JPG/479px-Fireplace_in_the_Bird_Room.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Wawel12.jpg/800px-Wawel12.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Arras_005.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Arras_007.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Arras_010.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Tapestry_with_the_coats_of_arms_of_Poland_%28White_Eagle%29_and_Lithuania_%28Pahonia%29_and_a_figure_of_Victory.jpg/800px-Tapestry_with_the_coats_of_arms_of_Poland_%28White_Eagle%29_and_Lithuania_%28Pahonia%29_and_a_figure_of_Victory.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Tapestry_with_the_coats_of_arms_of_Poland_%28White_Eagle%29_and_Lithuania_%28Vytis%2C_Pahonia%29_and_a_figure_of_Victory.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Wawel_Arras_-_Above-door_Hanging_-_Arms_of_Poland_with_Beaver_and_Porcupine.jpg/800px-Wawel_Arras_-_Above-door_Hanging_-_Arms_of_Poland_with_Beaver_and_Porcupine.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Arras_6.jpg/549px-Arras_6.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Arras_Dragon_Fighting_with_a_Panther.JPG)

And Western classical music accompaniment to the images:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp4v42suFQg

This is what they say the refugees are "culturally incompatible with". I agree. That's one more reason why I want the refugees in!
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 02, 2021, 10:58:10 pm
Our enemies supply content for us again:

https://vdare.com/articles/our-elites-claim-christmas-is-white-supremacy-culture-at-work-their-problem-the-music-is-so-beautiful

Basically they bash Counterculture-era Christmas songs:

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Many friends and acquaintances have complained to me that, in tuning into Christmas music on the radio, they no longer get even a tiny sampling of traditional Christmas music. Instead, what they hear are playlists largely limited to a handful of songs that are ridiculously overplayed because they are performed by famous rockers or mention rock in the title (John Lennon and Yoko Ono’s “So This Is Christmas,” Bruce Springsteen’s “Santa Claus is Coming to Town,” “Do They Know It’s Christmas” and its myriad performers, “Rockin’ Around the Christmas Tree,” “Jingle Bell Rock”), absurdly revived obscurities (“It’s a Marshmallow World,” “I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas”), and a bevy of pop tunes of varying quality that make some reference to winter, snow, Santa, shopping, and, in the best of them, the joy and good feelings that accompany Christmas.

and promote instead their traditional Western counterparts:

Quote
I was particularly fond of Robert Goulet’s Christmas album, which ended with four powerful performances of religious music. I am quite certain that the first time I ever heard Cesar Franck’s “Panis Angelicus” was on that album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPd5WKdxiKs

(https://en.pimg.jp/053/737/516/1/53737516.jpg)

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Even more impressive to me was Robert Shaw’s “The Many Moods of Christmas,” which featured four carol medleys arranged by Robert Russell Bennett. As with the Harry Simeone record, these carols came from all over Christendom, including the French “Pat a Pan” and “The March of the Three Kings” (the music for which was used by Georges Bizet in his L’Arlésienne Suite No. 2), the Spanish “Fum, Fum, Fum,” and “Break Forth O Beauteous Heavenly Light,” a Bach chorale used in his “Christmas Oratorio.” (The record also impressed my junior high choir director, since we song both “Pat a Pan” and “Break Forth O Beauteous Heavenly Light” in our Christmas concert, back when public schools still had Christmas concerts denominated as such and featuring religious Christmas music).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs6pXcEfPZI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxe9O4yk9kE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMjYJMOjTP0

(https://en.pimg.jp/061/017/879/1/61017879.jpg)

Our enemies also included this picture to represent the visuals that they want to be associated with Christmas:

Quote
Eight years later saw an introduction to another facet of the beauty that has developed over centuries to accompany Christmas. That was the year PBS broadcast Luciano Pavarotti’s amazing Christmas concert in Montreal from four years before. That concert was held in a perfect venue, Montreal’s stunning Notre Dame basilica, below:

(https://i.imgur.com/9GjwtkC.jpeg)

Our enemies do not celebrate Christmas. They celebrate Homohubrismas.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 03, 2021, 09:20:32 pm
While on the subject of Christmas aesthetics, there is suposedly a surviving fragment of wood from the actual manger in which Jesus was born:

https://english.aawsat.com//home/article/2014821/wooden-relic-jesus-manger-arrives-bethlehem

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A fragment of wood reputed to be from the manger where Jesus was laid after his humble birth was on Saturday transferred to Bethlehem for the official launch of the Christmas season after going on display in Jerusalem.

The wood piece, just a few centimeters long, was once kept in the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome. It was handed over earlier this week to the custodian of the Bethlehem church, who said it brought "great honor to believers and pilgrims in the area".

The whole point about Jesus being born in a manger is that his teachings are antithetical to luxury and opulence. But guess what Westerners (who, to make matters worse, call themselves "Christians") did to the wood fragment after finding it?

Quote
It was unveiled to the public at the Notre Dame of Jerusalem Center, encased in a silver-colored ornamental table-top stand.

(https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2019/11/AP19333364197203.jpg)

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/superiority-cannot-be-taught/

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/ea/5e/15ea5e5cd85a705a199ea9aa6e701214.png)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: guest55 on December 10, 2021, 07:25:50 pm
"I Never Knew You, Depart From Me!!!" Precisely!!!
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Zea_mays on December 16, 2021, 07:33:44 pm
Image gallery of ~80 colonial postcards from China:
https://imgur.com/a/U2wniV8

This forum post has links to some other old colonial architecture from other nations:
https://old.reddit.com/r/CulturalLayer/comments/8s43vv/antique_world_alternative_title_grand_unified/


(Strangely enough, the forum above is some weird scatter-brained Turanian-worshipping pseudo-archaeology thing):

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The pseudohistorical conspiracy theory about Great Tartaria first appeared in Russia, popularized by Nikolai Levashov, and in Anatoly Fomenko’s New chronology. In Russian pseudoscience, known for its nationalism, Tartaria is presented as the "real" name for Russia, which was maliciously "ignored" in the West (for example, the 2011 film "Great Tartary - Empire of the Rus", posted on YouTube).[9][10] Since about 2016, conspiracy theories about the supposed lost empire of "Tartaria" have gained some steam on the English-speaking part of the Internet.

The conspiracy is based mostly in a misunderstanding of architectural history. Adherents suppose that demolished buildings such as the Singer Building, or the temporary grounds of the 1915's World's Fair were actually the buildings of a vast empire based in Tartary that has been suppressed from history. Sumptuously styled Gilded Age buildings are often held out as really having been built by the supposed Tartarian.
[...]
However, such designs exist globally due to colonialism by empires such as Britain, Spain, and Portugal, not some lost empire such as Tartaria. The theory reflects a cultural discontent with modernism, and a supposition that traditional styles are inherently good and modern styles are bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary#Tartaria_conspiracy_theory

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"With these preserved buildings around us, we would have viewed the whole world differently. And we would not have thought about Greece, and Rome, and Turkey as these separate places from us (here in North America). No, the whole world would have a unified feel once people realized that there was a one world people, building the same style - everywhere." JonLevi
https://old.reddit.com/r/tartarianarchitecture/

If that's the general name they want to give to global Turanian architecture, go ahead I guess.

---

This forum has lots of old colonial postcards as well:
https://old.reddit.com/r/HistoricalStreetView

Nairobi:
https://imgur.com/a/t8nykUt

Algeria:
https://imgur.com/a/S2iv03b
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 22, 2021, 09:03:44 pm
Harrods:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Harrods%2C_London_-_June_2009_%28cropped%29.jpg)

(https://www.harrods.com/BWStaticContent/50000/50000/3667f922-78b6-467d-a28b-66203d375fe1_t-homepage-store-closure-retouched.jpg)

(https://i.insider.com/55e6085cbd86ef21008b7627?width=700)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/London_-_Harrods_%282%29.jpg/800px-London_-_Harrods_%282%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/London_-_Harrods_%281%29.jpg/800px-London_-_Harrods_%281%29.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/2017_Harrods_exterior_03.jpg/800px-2017_Harrods_exterior_03.jpg)

(https://www.streetsensation.co.uk/sights/harrods-department-store.jpg)

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/EA9F/production/_107136006_harrods.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2AGM39P/england-london-knightsbridge-harrods-department-store-the-food-hall-restaurants-2AGM39P.jpg)

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/C93486/the-food-hall-in-the-harrods-department-store-in-london-knightsbridge-C93486.jpg)

(https://www.umdasch.com/upload/referenzencache/KRL255-Harrods-Interiors-44-1463_431779dced6ebce1acd0d0d7009d2083.jpg)

(https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2021/09/Harrods-Dining-Hall.jpeg)

(https://www.givefundraising.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/The_Harrods_Tea_Rooms-Restaurant-4-Aug18.jpg)

(https://images.squaremeal.co.uk/cloud/restaurants/7341/thegeorgianatharrods20146web.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/29/81/392981a36738bc31cb99fd5694f9c19d.jpg)

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/harrods-department-store-interior-candies-area-london-sweets-august-uk-biggest-europe-70647272.jpg)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/england-london-knightsbridge-harrods-food-hall-chocolate-counter-picture-id1081353214?s=2048x2048)

(https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/luxurylondon.co.uk-storage-bucket-001/images/070521104705/billboard/harrods-chocolate-hall.jpg)

(https://a.cdn-hotels.com/gdcs/production133/d1769/e2ed4417-1c21-4c9f-bfbd-0f7a2bca88ff.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/2017_Harrods%2C_Brompton_Road_009.jpg/800px-2017_Harrods%2C_Brompton_Road_009.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/2017_Harrods%2C_Brompton_Road_012.jpg/800px-2017_Harrods%2C_Brompton_Road_012.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/London_-_Brompton_Road_-_Harrods_-_Confectionery_%26_Patisserie_Department.jpg/800px-London_-_Brompton_Road_-_Harrods_-_Confectionery_%26_Patisserie_Department.jpg)

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thejewelleryeditor.com%2Fmedia%2Fimages_thumbnails%2Ffiler_public_thumbnails%2Fold%2F40262%2Fgraff6.jpg__1536x0_q75_crop-scale_subsampling-2_upscale-false.jpg&hash=d1d8019b04c120ec978272203759e22ad56f93e6)

(https://www.umdasch.com/upload/referenzencache/ANDERS_190523_078_HA_R1_609efe9caff851ffe02663869c7f977f.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/2017_Harrods%2C_Brompton_Road_013.jpg/800px-2017_Harrods%2C_Brompton_Road_013.jpg)

Related:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/counterculture-and-western-civilisation/msg10231/#msg10231
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Zhang Caizhi on December 23, 2021, 08:53:32 am
What's interesting is Harrods is currently owned by Qatar Investment Authority, the Qatar's sovereign wealth fund.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrods

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_Investment_Authority
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 11, 2022, 04:29:15 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhcPaCri0tg
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 28, 2022, 12:13:27 am
Today let's look at some Ukrainian-style Homo Hubris aesthetics:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Operniy-11.jpg/1024px-Operniy-11.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Front_view_of_Odessa_opera_theater.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Front_stairs.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Odessa-Opera-Interior-24.jpg/1024px-Odessa-Opera-Interior-24.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Hall_and_scene.jpg/800px-Hall_and_scene.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Odessa-Opera-Interior-10.jpg/1024px-Odessa-Opera-Interior-10.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%80_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%B8_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0._%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BB.jpg/1000px-%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%80_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8B_%D0%B8_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0._%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BB.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%96%D0%B7_%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8-3.JPG/1024px-%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%96%D0%B7_%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8-3.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Architectural_details_on_House_with_Chimaeras_2007-2.JPG/1024px-Architectural_details_on_House_with_Chimaeras_2007-2.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4.%D0%B7.%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B81.jpg/1024px-%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4.%D0%B7.%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B81.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4.%D0%B7.%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B83.jpg/1024px-%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4.%D0%B7.%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B83.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4.%D0%B7.%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B85.jpg/1024px-%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4.%D0%B7.%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B85.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%96%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D1%83.jpg/626px-%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%96%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D1%83.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%97%D0%B2_-_%D0%86%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%83%D1%82%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B2%D1%83%D0%BB.%2C_9-%D0%B0_DSC_5526.JPG/1024px-%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%97%D0%B2_-_%D0%86%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%83%D1%82%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B2%D1%83%D0%BB.%2C_9-%D0%B0_DSC_5526.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%96%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2.jpg/1024px-%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D1%96%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Cernauti_Residentia_04.jpg/1024px-Cernauti_Residentia_04.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BC%D1%83%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0_%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%96%D1%97_%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%96%D0%B2.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%81_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%2C_%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%96%D0%B2%D1%86%D1%96_11.JPG/680px-%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%81_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%2C_%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%96%D0%B2%D1%86%D1%96_11.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D1%86%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0140518_3101.jpg/1024px-%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D1%86%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0140518_3101.jpg)

It would be nice to see it all bombed to rubble. But I doubt that will happen because Putin probably likes this ****.....
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Zea_mays on March 01, 2022, 04:22:12 pm
Quote
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Gy%C3%B3gyf%C3%BCrd%C5%91_2014_5.jpg/800px-Budapest_Sz%C3%A9chenyi_Gy%C3%B3gyf%C3%BCrd%C5%91_2014_5.jpg)

Another image with a design conflict of the simple desk and clothing vs the opulent building
(https://i.redd.it/ue0hg021jlk81.jpg)

The simple clothing doesn't prevent the guy on the left from looking like a complete slob though; which is probably why ostentatious suits and Western clothing was invented in the first place.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/wEscKpNjnHjAvoB8itqAFw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyNDI7aD02OTk-/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/g3G9CgeaA..c.94rQX3Dng--~B/aD03NTY7dz0xMzQ0O2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/aol_yahoo_news_184/3ec860e4aadbf099cd3d7c26a989a7ac)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 16, 2022, 01:14:49 am
Our enemies say:

https://counter-currents.com/2022/03/the-demonization-of-russia-must-end/

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Of course, our GloboHomo rulers never pass up an opportunity to erase the white race’s unmatched artistic heritage. The great conductor Valerii Gergiev and the magnificent soprano Anna Netrebko have been banished from the Metropolitan Opera House for the crime of wrongthink

Here is a sample of Netrebko singing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO9TMbW6TN8

(https://media.istockphoto.com/vectors/boy-suffering-from-tinnitus-vector-id683815394?k=20&m=683815394&s=612x612&w=0&h=t7nsgo_blZREuVAyqw1xG3wCDBUfqmqfdeFhy7XFK7w=)

Western vibrato is the audial version of Western calligraphy:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg6962/?topicseen#msg6962
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: rp on March 18, 2022, 11:23:17 am
(https://slideplayer.com/slide/10658905/36/images/3/Medieval+Art+%28things+to+notice%29.jpg)

(https://slideplayer.com/slide/10658905/36/images/11/Renaissance+Art+%28things+to+notice%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Dazhbog on March 31, 2022, 07:59:52 pm
Today let's look at some Ukrainian-style Homo Hubris aesthetics

Alright, let's see how this checks out  ::)

Odesa opera theater

Built and rebuilt under Russian colonial rule by French, respectively Austrian architects.

House with Chimaeras

Built under Russian colonial rule by a Polish architect.

National Bank of Ukraine

Built under Russian colonial rule by an Italian architect.

Residence of Bukovinian and Dalmatians Metropolitans

Built under Austro-Hungarian colonial rule by a Czech architect, originally residence of Romanian Orthodox clergy.

Putin probably likes this ****.....

You bet he does. After all, these are genuine Russian aesthetics, respectively those of Turandom countries many Duginists would like to partition Ukraine with.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 31, 2022, 09:46:51 pm
"You bet he does."

As does Zelensky, apparently:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/12-photos-show-devastation-ukraines-171124610.html

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Kharkiv's Dormition Cathedral, also known as the Assumption Cathedral, is Ukraine's oldest Orthodox church.

The cathedral dates back to the 1680s.

Russian shelling damaged the church's stained-glass windows as civilians hid inside.

No civilians were injured in the shelling on March 2, according to NBC News.

Zelenskyy condemned the attack and vowed to "restore the cathedral so that no trace of war remains there."

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Dormition_Cathedral%2C_Kharkiv_-_09.jpg/1024px-Dormition_Cathedral%2C_Kharkiv_-_09.jpg)

(https://previews.123rf.com/images/svetlanka/svetlanka1406/svetlanka140600011/29853283-interior-of-assumption-cathedral-in-kharkov-ukraine.jpg)

(https://find-way.com.ua/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/_DSC01612.jpg)

(https://find-way.com.ua/components/com_jshopping/files/img_products/_DSC01592.jpg)

(https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/inside-the-the-annunciation-cathedral-kharkiv-picture-id1160413143)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/Vertical_Panorama_of_Interior_of_Annunciation_Cathedral_-_Kharkiv_%28Kharkov%29_-_Ukraine_-_03_%2842170418920%29.jpg/626px-Vertical_Panorama_of_Interior_of_Annunciation_Cathedral_-_Kharkiv_%28Kharkov%29_-_Ukraine_-_03_%2842170418920%29.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/4d/e6/b64de632d82fa4fae9e5275061593bee.jpg)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Dazhbog on April 05, 2022, 04:02:20 pm
As does Zelensky

No surprise here. Last summer, he caused major outrage by submitting a bill on changing Ukraine's iconic "Tryzub" (trident) coat of arms into an overly complex abomination (images below the quoted text):

https://www.istpravda.com.ua/columns/2021/07/13/159831/

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[English translation of the most important passages from the Ukrainian original - Dazhbog]

Despite its ancient origins, the Tryzub easily fits in with the minimalist aesthetic of the 21st century, can easily be copied and is highly recognizable.

...

Any attempt to "improve" the Tryzub by adding depictions of people, animals, plants and other subjects and declare it the "Great Coat of Arms of Ukraine" is frankly tasteless and absurd.

In addition, Ukraine is neither an empire nor a federation [i.e. not Russia - Dazhbog] and doesn't need to replace the historical and true CoA with a made-up "big" one.

The idea of a "Great CoA" was included in the constitution on the insistence of the communists, who deliberately sought to diminish the importance of the true CoA of Ukraine, the Tryzub.

...

This is about the direct threat of eliminating the Tryzub, humiliating our national symbols and self-degrading the Ukrainian state.

...

The Tryzub is the living symbol of our state tradition and national unity: the sign of the princes of the Kyivan Rus [the medieval polity from which Ukraine derives their state tradition - Dazhbog], the CoA of the Ukrainian People's Republic, a symbol of the Ukrainian independence struggle and the CoA of modern Ukraine.

Judge for yourself!

Tryzub:

Spoiler (hover to show)

"Great CoA":

Spoiler (hover to show)

Against this backdrop, it is hardly surprising that he would aesthetically side with Russia again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dormition_Cathedral,_Kharkiv

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The cathedral is the only building in Kharkov visited by almost all Russian Emperors starting with Catherine the Great.

...

On May 14, 1771, a cornerstone for the new cathedral was laid. The design of the future building was inspired by the St Clement's Church in Moscow. In Spring 1778 the altar was consecrated in honor of Our Lady of Kazan, though the construction wasn’t completed yet. On September 27, 1780, it was reconsecrated in honor of Dormition. The ceremony was attended by the general Pyotr Rumyantsev.

...

According to Filaret Gumilevsky, the free-standing Alexander Bell Tower was built in the aftermath of Napoleon's expulsion from Russia "to express the people's gratitude to Alexander I".

...

The cathedral was restored in the late 1970s and reverted to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church [...of the Moscow Patriarchate, i.e. the local branch of the Russian Orthodox Church - Dazhbog] in 2006.

If Zelensky (Jew) is already unreliable in terms of his politics, in an aesthetic sense he is a straight up Russian agent!
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Zea_mays on April 06, 2022, 09:36:06 pm
Coup organizer and professional Westerner Roger Stone. With someone like him, he is not dressing this way just because he thinks it's "cool" or whatever--he's doing it to be as ideologically pro-Western as possible.
(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/0ef/43f/f63b6613eb818d88ee944323fb3ded0b99-16-burn-trump-thread.rsquare.w700.jpg)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 21, 2022, 03:57:39 am
This appeared on my YouTube recommendations although I wasn't even looking for material for this topic, but I guess I'll post it anyway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viyw7hnrWa0

How can anyone claim that Russia is not part of Western civilization after listening to something like this? Music doesn't get more Western than this!
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: Blue Kumul on April 23, 2022, 02:44:52 am
I agree that Russia and Ukraine are both parts of Western civilization, but just for fun: Westerners arguing whether Russia belongs in their camp or not.

http://generational-theory.com/forum/thread-6252.html
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 01, 2022, 10:13:39 pm
Finally mainstream journalism is beginning to learn to talk about Western architecture as we do!

https://www.insider.com/million-dollar-gilded-era-mansion-new-york-for-sale-photos-2022-4

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A decadent $33 million Gilded Age mansion is on sale for the first time in nearly half a century. Take a look inside.

It's a start.

Quote
Known as The James F. D. Lanier House, the agent listing it calls it a "work of art."

Credit to them for also mentioning how Westerners see it, thus highlighting the existence of opposing views. This is the first step, because far too many people (who have not read this topic and others around here) are currently not even aware that some people (we!) consider Western architecture the most inferior of all. In contrast, these are the people who appreciate Western architecture:

Quote
In a press release provided to Insider, Christie's details that the mansion was built in 1903 as a home for James Franklin Doughty Lanier II – a banker and "pioneering automobilist" – and his wife, Harriet.

The couple were prominent members of New York's high society at the time, making the cut of the 400 "fashionable" members of society listed by New York socialite Caroline Schermerhorn Astor, The New York Times reported in 1892.

(https://i.insider.com/6267b4ec0bd64800192c326d?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://i.insider.com/626a5517eaaa070018ad4717?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://i.insider.com/626a52f07f0c1c0018904e3c?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://i.insider.com/6267bca1784b4d00194638b4?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://i.insider.com/6267bc540bd64800192c3311?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://i.insider.com/6267bbed784b4d001946387e?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://i.insider.com/6267c4490bd64800192c3431?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://i.insider.com/6267c1610bd64800192c33ee?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://i.insider.com/6267bd2f784b4d00194638c1?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://i.insider.com/6267d66e0bd64800192c360e?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

(https://i.insider.com/6267bdbe0bd64800192c3347?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

Besides being ugly, it is also un-American. How long will it take mainstream journalism to start describing it as such?
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 27, 2022, 06:25:50 pm
https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/25/remains-of-elaborate-garden-hidden-for-300-years-revealed-in-heatwave-17063075/

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A lost garden that has been hidden from view for 300 years has been revealed by the heatwave.

The ornate European-style garden at the Chatsworth estate in Derbyshire was designed in 1699 for the 1st Duke of Devonshire.

Featuring an intricate display of flower beds and paths the garden was created to provide a grand view from the then newly completed south side of the stately home.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/2jWShp.5Fn8GyBD1l05Wsg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyMDA7aD02NDY-/https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2022-07/b9ebfc80-0cc3-11ed-b9d5-a9351636df14)

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B614/production/_102521664_ghostgarden2018.jpg)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 08, 2022, 11:14:07 pm
Our enemy Duchesne is back to entertain us with his inferiority:

https://twitter.com/dr_duchesne/status/1556305973907685376

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White women make the best cakes!
Some of European best cakes:

Vienna – Sachertorte.
Paris – Tarte au citron meringue.
Zurich – Bündner Nusstorte.
London – Victoria Sponge.
Rome – Torta caprese.
Stockholm – Prinsesstårta.
Madrid – Tarta de Santiago.
Berlin – Käsekuchen.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZkbHBPXkAM9fkp?format=jpg&name=medium)

As if the photo he chose is not tasteless enough, I looked up pictures of the cakes he listed. In sequence:

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Austria/Vienna/i-cWx5wJJ/0/b85eee3f/L/Things-to-do-Vienna-Austria-16-L.jpg)

(https://img.cuisineaz.com/660x660/2018/03/19/i138661-tarte-au-citron-meringuee-simple-et-rapide.jpeg)

(https://images.lecker.de/,id=fd216043,b=lecker,w=610,cg=c.jpg)

(https://thegreatbritishbakeoff.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/BIB_Vic-Cake_1024x450-1024x450.png)

(https://www.mrsjoneskitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/torta-caprese7.jpg)

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/food/ic/food_16x9_832/recipes/prinsesstrta_17336_16x9.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EEvyg05VQOA/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://img.chefkoch-cdn.de/rezepte/1218391227356456/bilder/824831/crop-960x720/der-beste-kaesekuchen-der-welt.jpg)

Suffice to say that cakes like these are exactly what we'd expect to find inside any of the Western buildings extensively posted in this topic.
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 04, 2022, 08:48:30 pm
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/msg15480/#msg15480

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Teatro Colon

let's post some pictures!

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Buenos_Aires_Teatro_Colon_3.jpg/800px-Buenos_Aires_Teatro_Colon_3.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Buenos_Aires-ColonTeatre-P3050009.jpg/800px-Buenos_Aires-ColonTeatre-P3050009.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Teatro_Col%C3%B3n_de_Buenos_Aires%2C_vista_exterior_03.JPG/800px-Teatro_Col%C3%B3n_de_Buenos_Aires%2C_vista_exterior_03.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Escultura_del_Teatro_Col%C3%B3n.jpg/800px-Escultura_del_Teatro_Col%C3%B3n.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Mascar%C3%B3n_-_Teatro_Col%C3%B3n.jpg/450px-Mascar%C3%B3n_-_Teatro_Col%C3%B3n.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Busto_Gounod_%281%29.JPG/800px-%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Busto_Gounod_%281%29.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Sala_Principal_%282%29.JPG/682px-%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Sala_Principal_%282%29.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f2/TEATRO_COLON_E.JPG/800px-TEATRO_COLON_E.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Sala_Principal_%283%29.JPG/800px-%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Sala_Principal_%283%29.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Foyer_%285%29.JPG/800px-%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Foyer_%285%29.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Foyer_%286%29.JPG/800px-%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Foyer_%286%29.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Sal%C3%B3n_Dorado_%282%29.JPG/682px-%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Sal%C3%B3n_Dorado_%282%29.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/Sal%C3%B3n_Dorado_-_Ara%C3%B1as.jpg/800px-Sal%C3%B3n_Dorado_-_Ara%C3%B1as.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Ara%C3%B1as.jpg/800px-Ara%C3%B1as.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Arquitectura_del_Teatro.jpg/800px-Arquitectura_del_Teatro.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Teatro_Colon_Bs_as.JPG/800px-Teatro_Colon_Bs_as.JPG)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Foyet_Col%C3%B3n.jpg/800px-Foyet_Col%C3%B3n.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/C%C3%BApula-Col%C3%B3n.jpg/800px-C%C3%BApula-Col%C3%B3n.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Detalles_de_la_pared.jpg/800px-Detalles_de_la_pared.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Sal%C3%B3n_Dorado_%285%29.JPG/800px-%28Teatro_Col%C3%B3n%29_Sal%C3%B3n_Dorado_%285%29.JPG)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 02, 2022, 05:18:36 pm
From Duchesne's Twitter:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiwAPdUX0AMw30l?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 04, 2022, 01:58:02 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMSvyqHHwA
Title: Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
Post by: zizou9410 on December 04, 2022, 12:44:32 pm
Very stiff, overly civilized, and a delusional level of arrogance. This is what being steeped in "white" politeness looks like.