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Title: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 22, 2020, 12:33:32 am
Our enemies report:

https://nationalvanguard.org/2020/07/psychology-liberals-care-more-about-rocks-than-their-own-families/

(https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/41467_2019_12227_Fig5_HTML.png)

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Study suggests that leftists have an almost precisely inverted scale of values compared to rightists. Instead of a hierarchy of concern with one’s own family, nation, and race highest on the scale, leftists place abstractions like “all objects in the universe” — including such things as rocks — or “all mankind” — in first place.

THE IMAGE ABOVE shows two “heatmaps” indicating highest moral allocation of value by ideology, in section 3a of this group of studies. Source data are provided as a Source Data file in the original article. The highest value on the heatmap scale is 20 units for liberals, and 12 units for conservatives. Moral circle rings, from inner to outer, are described as follows: (1) all of your immediate family, (2) all of your extended family, (3) all of your closest friends, (4) all of your friends (including distant ones), (5) all of your acquaintances, (6) all people you have ever met, (7) all people in your country, (8) all people on your continent, (9) all people on all continents, (10) all mammals, (11) all amphibians, reptiles, mammals, fish, and birds, (12) all animals on earth including paramecia and amoebae, (13) all animals in the universe, including alien lifeforms, (14) all living things in the universe including plants and trees, (15) all natural things in the universe including inert entities such as rocks, (16) all things in existence.

At least rocks do not initiate violence, unlike our families.

Living things do have the potential to be more heroic than rocks, as they can in theory do retaliatory violence while refraining from initiated violence, but in reality very few succeed in this, and even then retaliation was only required in the first place because someone else initiated violence. A truly ideal world is not one in which heroes triumph, but one in which heroes are unnecessary because there are no villains.

Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 09, 2020, 04:25:56 am
OLD CONTENT

www.counter-currents.com/2020/06/white-nationalism-for-dummies/

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Another myth that must be addressed is that of “hate.” In truth, white nationalism is about love. Love of history, love of culture, love of family and community. Love of those who share our values and sensibilities. To be sure, there is nothing inherently wrong with hate. Hate is an emotion, as valid as any other. Sometimes hate is a productive emotion, if the energy is channeled usefully. If I discovered a child being sexually abused by a ****, hate for the sick and perverted would be much more useful than empathy. Empathy often leads to permissiveness, whereas hate can lead to justice, when it is rationally wielded through ideological self-control.

Isn't this just circular logic?

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In the case of Jews and Asians, they’ve been elevated to elite positions in our society that often displace legacy white Americans. In most cases, their intelligence and work ethic warrants a modicum of success, but despite their economic prosperity and status, they are still allowed to claim that they’re oppressed by whites. Instead of pointing out this hypocrisy, our white elected officials grovel and prostrate themselves to appease them rather than stand up for the white people they should be representing.

And what legacy white Americans are they replacing? They never answer this, because most of them are dead oil tycoons, plantation owners, or statesmen. Regardless, the point is that this is not different from the rampant need of nepotism. They don't want to replace this horrible system in its entirety, they just want their "tribe" to have overall privilege. (which they already. still have?)

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"Isn't this just circular logic?"

Worse, it is just sloppy reasoning. For example:

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If I discovered a child being sexually abused by a ****, hate for the sick and perverted would be much more useful than empathy. Empathy often leads to permissiveness, whereas hate can lead to justice

This makes it sound like we must choose between empathy and hate. This is untrue. The psychologically accurate description is that we hate the oppressor because we empathize with the victim, and indeed the more we empathize with the victim, the more we will hate the oppressor. Therefore empathy does not lead to permissiveness, unless we bizarrely empathize with the oppressor instead of with the victim. But the oppressor, in order to be psychologically able to oppress, had to lack empathy for the victim in the first place. Therefore it was still lack of empathy that permitted the oppression to begin with.

Our ethical duty is to start with empathy for everyone, and then cease empathy towards those who first ceased their empathy towards their victims. This is just Ahimsa reworked: non-empathy is violence, and initiated violence demands retaliatory violence.

But of course rightists cannot say this, since that would justify non-empathy for (and retaliatory violence towards) colonialists (the indisputable initiators of violence during the colonial era), which contradicts their tribalist teaching of siding with "whites" against "non-whites" even when "whites" are in the ethical wrong, which is what they really mean by this part:

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white nationalism is about love. Love of history, love of culture, love of family and community.

Thus the rightist has to make it sound like empathy itself is the problem!

"they just want their "tribe" to have overall privilege. (which they already. still have?)"

Exactly.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 08, 2020, 12:52:57 am
https://us.yahoo.com/news/french-man-chased-fly-around-151608210.html

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A French man chased a fly around with an electric swatter and accidentally blew up his own house
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Friday's blast wasn't the first time that an attempt to exterminate a tiny pest had led to bigger problems than it's worth.

Last year a man in Brazil tried to kill some cockroaches his backyard throwing matches in a hole that he had poured gasoline into.

I use a plastic cup to let the flies etc. back outside unharmed. (My parents, on the other hand, used a vaccuum cleaner.....)
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on September 08, 2020, 12:54:46 am
I use a tissue to catch insects and let them outside into the grass. BTW looking at the article, it seems the man is still (unfortunately) alive.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on September 09, 2020, 09:48:31 pm
The only insects I will kill are mosquitoes, other parasites like ticks, and cockroaches. Roaches always find a way back in and they breed like crazy and invade your personal space. I save all bees from drowning, but I let Yellow-jackets drown because of their unwarranted aggressiveness.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 09, 2020, 11:56:38 pm
"The only insects I will kill are mosquitoes, other parasites like ticks, and cockroaches. Roaches always find a way back in and they breed like crazy and invade your personal space."

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/hungary-must-be-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-183064

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/



Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on September 10, 2020, 01:09:49 pm
Well, parasites don't just suck human blood and roaches don't just invade human living spaces. Is it not somewhat anthropocentric not to take that fact into account? Furthermore, is blood-sucking not an act of initiated violence? I never gave mosquitoes or a tick permission to land on me and start sucking my blood. Nor did the dog....

Hornets and yellow-jackets initiate violence all the time too....
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 10, 2020, 11:39:47 pm
You should be treating them as individuals. Just because 99 mosquitoes have sucked your blood in the past does not mean you should presume the 100th mosquito will also do so. To so presume is to fail to treat the individual before you as an individual. Remember, mosquitoes do not even know the word "mosquito" exists; "mosquito" is what humans unilaterally decided to call them (same as how "whites" unilaterally decided to call some people "blacks") - that is the anthropocentrism.

"Hornets and yellow-jackets initiate violence all the time too...."

Racist: "Blacks and browns initiate violence all the time too!"

"invade human living spaces"

That is what my insect-vaccuuming parents said decades ago.

Whoever built your house took the territory from the original non-human inhabitants to do so. I am not saying you should not continue living in your house (since the earlier inhabitants have no exclusive claim to the territory either), but either you should not mind non-humans continuing to visit the same territory, or if it does bother you then you it is up to you to move elsewhere.

For contrast:

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“I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.” – Winston Churchill (Jew)
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on September 11, 2020, 01:59:04 pm
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You should be treating them as individuals.

If you recall from a personnel story I have told you about a synchronistic event I experienced which actually involved a Yellow Jacket, I was able to treat that Yellow Jacket as an individual. Several months later I was bitten by a Yellow Jacket, which followed me a very long distance in-order to do so....

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Just because 99 mosquitoes have sucked your blood in the past does not mean you should presume the 100th mosquito will also do so.

If something lands on my neck my first reaction is to brush it off, this kills most small insects when doing so, regardless of whether or not it was a mosquito. Just like when I tread on soil I'm probably killing spider-mites and other small organisms. I do not go out of my way to find this creatures so as to kill them. I leave spiders in my house intentionally too....

This is the inherent violent nature of life on this planet and physical existence in a material realm.

And, for all practical intents and purposes, I will not turn someone away from my future solar community for swatting at mosquitoes that land on them. I do appreciate your ideological purity, however. Personally, I feel incredible guilt whenever I have killed something, no matter how small. It's terrible. Perhaps why the cosmos may still feel my soul is redeemable and why I was blessed with that synchronistic event involving the yellow-jacket in the first place?

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Racist: "Blacks and browns initiate violence all the time too!"

Okay, but the racist is clearly lying. Humans initiate violence all the time, regardless of skin color. Humans that dwell in western civilization usually commit the most initiated violence.

Fair enough, humans labelled mosquitoes the "mosquito" and a mosquito has no concept of the human label that has been applied to it, but, why do yellow-jackets come with yellow and black stripping and the mosquito doesn't?

I just think the whole thing is **** and beyond redemption. The only way there could be physical existence within a material realm without violence is if life were able to draw all the energy needed for living directly from the environment.

How much life have I destroyed just by walking on soil for example? I actually feel bad about that too and the only true remedy would be to remove my physical existence from this realm. 

I feel bad for the mouse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFDIIi-B4Q8


 
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on September 11, 2020, 02:12:12 pm
Also, if you show up to my front door wearing war-paint and you're holding a rifle, I may want to treat you as an individual and find out what you're all about and what you want, but everything inside me is probably going to be screaming: "This guy is definitely not here to borrow sugar!".

Mosquitoes show up with needles attached to their faces....
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 12, 2020, 12:56:44 am
"Mosquitoes show up with needles attached to their faces...."

Which they did not choose to be born with. In any case, their needles are much less dangerous to you than your brushing motion is to them. You are doing the humanist version of Katie Hopkins justifying using torpedoes on refugee dinghies because of how threatening the refugees supposedly look.

Also you:

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I just ate oatmeal again for the first time in a long time, and remembered how much I absolutely fucken love oatmeal! I did corrupt it though with a little piece of butter....

Was it the horns on the cows' heads that made you do it that time? (Even though the cows were locked up inside a dairy factory somewhere else.....)

"I feel incredible guilt"

But not enough guilt to motivate you to not repeat the behaviour that caused it.....

"I will not turn someone away from my future solar community for swatting at mosquitoes that land on them."

Willingness to confess unethical behaviour is a positive sign. Willingness to make excuses for unethical behaviour is the opposite. If accepted, it means the entire movement has accepted a lower standard. Swatting at mosquitoes is not the same thing as claiming it's OK to swat at mosquitoes.

MOSQUITO LIVES MATTER.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on September 13, 2020, 12:46:38 pm
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MOSQUITO LIVES MATTER.

Said the BOT Fly in conversation with his best-friend Malaria....  ;D

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The botfly will hijack a mosquito to inject the host with the eggs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botfly
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 13, 2020, 11:50:56 pm
"Said the BOT Fly in conversation with his best-friend Malaria...."

I am not a botfly. But you are a humanist.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on September 14, 2020, 11:30:21 am
"Said the BOT Fly in conversation with his best-friend Malaria...."

I am not a botfly. But you are a humanist.

How so? Because I am capable of observing that there are other creatures that behave just as ignobly as humans and you don't like it? I noticed you avoided the question in regards to how a mosquito landing on some ones arm and sucking their blood is not initiated violence?

Is what a BOT fly does noble in your eyes?

Perhaps if "humanism" is an extreme you've taken the extreme in the opposite direction and come full circle?

Do cows fly around and land on other creatures and suck their blood?

Does a cow drink it's own milk?

Furthermore, how is only seeing the flaws in humans not humanistic itself?

Not that I wholeheartedly agree with Fanon on many topics, but he does raise a good point:
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The same Europe where they were never done talking of Man, and where they never stopped proclaiming that they were only anxious for the welfare of Man: today we know what sufferings humanity has paid for every one of their triumphs of the mind.
https://kenanmalik.com/2012/11/06/humanism-antihumanism-and-the-radical-tradition/

I get that you're a romanticist and ideologist, but I think you're closer to humanism than myself. Still you try and place my concerns with the ignobility of mosquitoes as that of a human concern. You cannot treat me as an individual, or an animal among other animals. I clearly stated mosquitoes do not just suck human blood, yet you keep attacking my issue as if it is just a human issue with mosquitoes. This is why I think you are closer to anthropocentricism and humanism than I am.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on September 14, 2020, 03:51:12 pm
....and, if I feel bad for the mouse that got "murdered" by the "Murder hornet", why would I not feel bad for the mouse that got bitten by a mosquito whom itself had been hacked by a BOT Fly? To call me a "humanist" makes no sense, unless you are attempting to insult me for some reason? Being that I'm one of the only people actually willing to try and help you build your forum up I don't see why that would be? Either way, this is one of the reasons I remain skeptical of you and Aryanism.net and will never link directly to it from my own work. I appreciate what you have to teach and the thought you invoke, especially in regards to true National Socialism, but I can sympathize with the person born into western civilization, taught the ways of the west, probably feels bad about a lot of it, and struggles daily to try and stay sensitive to issues they have been trained to be desensitized too. And, all this in an environment hyper focused on money and material wealth accumulation and a constant barrage of ideological rubbish, bad entertainment, false education, commercialized "religion", and mass marketing. I do feel a bad for people born into the west; and no, this does not excuse what western civilization has done to the world either.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 15, 2020, 01:39:50 am
"How so?"

Because you do not treat non-humans as you yourself preach treating 'everyone':

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/hungary-must-be-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-183064

"I noticed you avoided the question in regards to how a mosquito landing on some ones arm and sucking their blood is not initiated violence?"

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Just because 99 mosquitoes have sucked your blood in the past does not mean you should presume the 100th mosquito will also do so. To so presume is to fail to treat the individual before you as an individual. Remember, mosquitoes do not even know the word "mosquito" exists; "mosquito" is what humans unilaterally decided to call them

You are behaving like the racist accusing me of not talking about initiated violence by "blacks". I do not talk about it because I reject using a category not originally chosen by the people described by the category, but imposed upon them by others.

"Furthermore, how is only seeing the flaws in humans not humanistic itself?"

I see flaws in non-humans, which is why I want non-humans also to stop reproducing. But that does not justify presuming that one individual possesses a flaw merely on account of that individual belonging to the same species (a human concept) as another individual whom we have seen display the flaw.
 
"Is what a BOT fly does noble in your eyes?"

What do you mean "a" botfly? WHICH botfly? Point out to me the particular botfly, and I will tell you what I think of that individual person's nobility. But talk about botflies in general, and you reveal only your lack of honour. You have presumed that every botfly behaves identically. You have failed to treat botflies as individuals.

"Do cows fly around and land on other creatures and suck their blood? Does a cow drink it's own milk?""

If not, then I am still waiting for you to explain your dairy consumption, since you apparently claim you are only violent towards non-humans in retaliation.

"mosquitoes do not just suck human blood"

WHICH mosquitoes? Every mosquito is an individual! Stop presuming that the behaviour of individuals whom you unilaterally classify as mosquitoes that you have encountered in the past is the behaviour of all people whom you unilaterally classify as mosquitoes!

"unless you are attempting to insult me"

No, but we did have a Don't Ask, Don't Tell principle with regard to non-vegan habits, remember?

http://aryanism.net/culture/veganism/

If you had just stayed quiet about how you treat mosquitoes, we could have avoided this. But since you chose otherwise, I would be undutiful if I let you get away with it uncriticized.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on November 01, 2020, 12:24:11 pm
Poll Reveals How Racist Republicans Really Are
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How racist are Republicans? This poll gives us numbers and statistics.

"Among the most respected and revelatory of polls is the annual survey of Americans’ opinions from the Public Religion Research Institute, which released this year’s survey earlier this week. It contains few surprises, but its detailed questioning of different subgroups confirms just how starkly we’re divided—above all, on issues of race.

First, to the one question uppermost in everyone’s mind, the poll found that Americans favored Joe Biden over Donald Trump by a 56 percent to 42 percent margin, when those “leaning” to one or the other candidate were factored in.

The one attitudinal (that is, not directly candidate related)question on the poll that produced the answer most at variance with the same question’s answer on a previous (2016) poll asked respondents whether they believed that “God granted the United States a special role in human history.” Every time that question had been previously posed, most Americans answered Yes—in 2016, by a 57 percent to 40 percent margin. This year, those figures were just about reversed: 58 percent said No, while just 40 percent said Yes (64 percent of Republicans still said Yes, but only 32 percent of Democrats did). We can only surmise that the cumulative effects of the pandemic, the natural disasters, the realization of police anti-Black violence, and the Trump presidency have made it harder for most Americans to believe we retain the favor of the Almighty."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgnLGRKd3nU
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 28, 2020, 10:52:58 pm
This video totally nails it on the rightist double-standard on "law and order":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzgJoUO-jWY

This is basically how it was during the colonial era, when "law and order" literally meant "white" colonialists doing whatever they wanted to "non-whites" while "non-whites" who put up any resistance were arrested if not killed on the spot, when "non-white" testimony that contradicted "white" testimony was automatically rejected, and so on. So that rightists today still think like this shows (as I have long claimed) they have never moved on from the colonialist mentality, and hence should be treated no differently than we would treat the colonialists themselves.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on December 01, 2020, 11:53:47 pm
"You are behaving like the racist accusing me of not talking about initiated violence by "blacks". I do not talk about it because I reject using a category not originally chosen by the people described by the category, but imposed upon them by others."

A few months ago, there was a garden snake in my backyard. I mistakenly (because of Homo Hubris TV propaganda), like NS, thought that "all snakes are poisonous predators, therefore this snake must be put out". But then my father decided to go near the snake himself, at which point the snake simply slithered away after seeing him! My father then commented on how our family's irrational fear of snakes is similar to those who fear "blacks".
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on December 02, 2020, 10:59:54 am
"You are behaving like the racist accusing me of not talking about initiated violence by "blacks". I do not talk about it because I reject using a category not originally chosen by the people described by the category, but imposed upon them by others."

A few months ago, there was a garden snake in my backyard. I mistakenly (because of Homo Hubris TV propaganda), like NS, thought that "all snakes are poisonous predators, therefore this snake must be put out". But then my father decided to go near the snake himself, at which point the snake simply slithered away after seeing him! My father then commented on how our family's irrational fear of snakes is similar to those who fear "blacks".

Interestingly, I've been paying closer attention to mosquitoes as of late and how they behave since that conversation I had with AS. I've found that mosquitoes aren't as blood thirsty as I thought they were. Several, which I believed while watching them were going to land on me to try and suck blood, actually flew right past me and preferred to hover around the lamp in the corner were one of my spider friends lives.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 11, 2021, 11:31:47 pm
(https://i1.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/con-culture-1.png?w=903)

(https://i0.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/culture-degeneration-2.png?w=915)

Discuss.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on June 12, 2021, 01:27:13 am
For starters, never take a conservative or a liberal serious if you ever hear one of them say "All Lives Matter". What they obviously mean is "All Human Lives Matter". Conservatives and liberals alike are humanists and tribalists considering their approval of the fur trade and animal testing.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on June 12, 2021, 10:50:17 am
"Because you do not treat non-humans as you yourself preach treating 'everyone':

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/hungary-must-be-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-183064"

Wait, so NuminousSun and Mza9 are the same person?
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on June 12, 2021, 11:55:17 am
"Because you do not treat non-humans as you yourself preach treating 'everyone':

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/hungary-must-be-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-183064"

Wait, so NuminousSun and Mza9 are the same person?

Yes. Several other names as well....  ;)

I didn't feel like debating the point with 90sRF in that thread any further, but he failed to understand that I see a mosquito sucking any organisms blood as a violation. I keep to myself and I do not go out of my way to disturb any life and I have saved quite a many lives. My impact on this world and environment is also very minimal. Other than work I keep to myself. I keep my personnel space and I do not get in other's personnel space unwanted as much as I can possibly avoid it. I've always kept my social distance from others as much as I possibly can. A mosquito landing on another is not keeping social distance.

I haven't saved any human lives but I've saved plenty of non-human lives. I have no human friends (well, except for maybe one, we'll see...) and I've never dated or been in a relationship. To call me a "humanist" because I do not want any people in my personnel space is just silly at best. I show respect to others, until they prove they do not deserve it, as much as possible and I deserve the same in return.

My retirement is also rapidly approaching, so there's that as well. Wouldn't waste your time worrying about me.

One of my favorite rap songs from my youth:
Misanthropy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuF7o6pd7iU
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on June 12, 2021, 08:13:56 pm
"I didn't feel like debating the point with 90sRF in that thread any further, but he failed to understand that I see a mosquito sucking any organisms blood as a violation."
Perhaps this could be the reason why your Swastika was removed:
http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/correct-stereotyping/comment-page-1/#comment-183314

I think the main point 90sRF was trying to make is that we should not speak of "a mosquito" as it generalizes many organisms based on "shared characteristics", in the same way "Whites" generalize "non-Whites".

Also, the graphic posted by 90sRF shows that liberals and conservatives are both adult supremacist humanists and thus degenerates.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on June 12, 2021, 10:32:27 pm
My swastika was not removed I removed it myself moron! You know what I hate most about human-beings like you, they never ask any questions before they go rambling on with their assumptions. You don't know **** GTFOH!

You still fail to see the point. I don't give a **** what you are don't touch me. I don't go around touching others and I don't care what group or species you belong to.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on June 12, 2021, 10:36:35 pm
My bad for assuming, but I still think lumping non-humans into a single category just because they reproduce with each other, and then refusing to correct oneself when made aware of this, warrants a swastika removal regardless...
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on June 12, 2021, 10:40:52 pm
My family bled for the Third Reich who the **** are you to tell me anything about a swastika!?
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on June 12, 2021, 10:44:09 pm
Did your family fight in the SS or Wehrmacht? I would commend them for their service regardless, but plenty of non-Aryans fought in the Wehrmacht.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest5 on June 12, 2021, 10:45:48 pm
STFU!!! FFS!!! CLOWN!!!
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on June 14, 2021, 10:08:02 pm
Wow, it appears NS deleted his account after this exchange. Also, it's impossible to change your avi on Aryanism.net without the admin's consent, so either you are lying, or you used a different email address when you posted your recent comments under the NS username:
http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/elon-musk-etc/comment-page-1/#comment-183342
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on July 03, 2021, 08:35:40 pm
Maybe I was too harsh on NS? I didn't mean to hurt his feelings  and drive him off the forum! What do you guys think? Was I too harsh?
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: SirGalahad on July 04, 2021, 08:10:24 pm
It looks like the entire exchange that you're referring to is gone. I don't see any argument going on in the link you posted. Also, are you referring to guest5 and whatever username he has over on the blog, or NuminousSun?
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on July 04, 2021, 08:15:29 pm
The exchange was a few posts ago on this thread. Guest5 was previously NuminousSun, before he deleted his account. I linked to the comment because it shows NS does not have a swastika next to his username on the blog.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: SirGalahad on July 04, 2021, 08:20:52 pm
I didn't even notice that NuminousSun wasn't posting here anymore, since they were already such a prominent poster on here and the blog. Kind of sad that they're gone, but I will say that they were acting pretty weird and aggressive in those last few comments
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 09, 2021, 10:15:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p5gpBMX090
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 02, 2021, 12:02:18 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPUCXyUAV8s
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 11, 2021, 01:25:25 am
Our enemies provide a direct comparison:

https://vdare.com/articles/on-columbus-day-biden-wants-to-replace-the-historic-american-nation-but-it-made-the-world

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Biden also took the occasion of proclaiming the legal holiday of Columbus Day to attack Christopher Columbus.
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    Today, we also acknowledge the painful history of wrongs and atrocities that many European explorers inflicted on Tribal Nations and Indigenous communities. It is a measure of our greatness as a Nation that we do not seek to bury these shameful episodes of our past—that we face them honestly, we bring them to the light, and we do all we can to address them. For Native Americans, western exploration ushered in a wave of devastation: violence perpetrated against Native communities, displacement and theft of Tribal homelands, the introduction and spread of disease, and more. On this day, we recognize this painful past and recommit ourselves to investing in Native communities, upholding our solemn and sacred commitments to Tribal sovereignty, and pursuing a brighter future centered on dignity, respect, justice, and opportunity for all people.

    A Proclamation on Columbus Day, 2021, October 8, 2021

In contrast, see President Trump’s 2020 Columbus Day Proclamation, which says in part:

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    More than 500 years ago, Christopher Columbus's intrepid voyage to the New World ushered in a new era of exploration and discovery. His travels led to European contact with the Americas and, a century later, the first settlements on the shores of the modern day United States. Today, we celebrate Columbus Day to commemorate the great Italian who opened a new chapter in world history and to appreciate his enduring significance to the Western Hemisphere. …

    Sadly, in recent years, radical activists have sought to undermine Christopher Columbus's legacy. These extremists seek to replace discussion of his vast contributions with talk of failings, his discoveries with atrocities, and his achievements with transgressions. Rather than learn from our history, this radical ideology and its adherents seek to revise it, deprive it of any splendor, and mark it as inherently sinister. They seek to squash any dissent from their orthodoxy. We must not give in to these tactics or consent to such a bleak view of our history. We must teach future generations about our storied heritage, starting with the protection of monuments to our intrepid heroes like Columbus. This June, I signed an Executive Order to ensure that any person or group destroying or vandalizing a Federal monument, memorial, or statue is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. …

    On this Columbus Day, we embrace the same optimism that led Christopher Columbus to discover the New World. We inherit that optimism, along with the legacy of American heroes who blazed the trails, settled a continent, tamed the wilderness, and built the single-greatest nation the world has ever seen.

    Proclamation 10100—Columbus Day, 2020, by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States, October 9, 2020

My problem with Biden's speech is:

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dignity, respect, justice, and opportunity for all people.

"All people"? So we should also respect Columbus?! If not, then don't say "all people"! The correct formulation is: "Dignity, respect and opportunity for all people except those who initiate violence. Justice for all people."
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 12, 2021, 09:21:05 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/j-d-vance-empathy-kyle-100512781.html

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If you haven’t been paying attention, you might be forgiven for mistaking the latest Twitter thread from newly converted Trump worshipper and flailing Senate candidate J.D. Vance for a compassionate, if woefully misguided, defense of the country’s most vulnerable.

“We leave our boys without fathers,” the Hillbilly Elegy writer and Peter Thiel protege said in a tweet. “We let the wolves set fire to their communities. And when human nature tells them to go and defend what no one else is defending, we bring the full weight of the state and the global monopolists against them.”

Vance could have been empathizing with Black and brown kids in underserved neighborhoods who, multiple studies show, respond to the psychological strain of over-policing by acting out. He could have been emphasizing the humanity of Black parents disproportionately criminalized by a racist justice system that takes them away from their children and communities. He could have been noting that those involved in community uprisings against police abuse and political repression often face harm from state-backed agents willing to use any violent means necessary to disempower them.

But Vance wasn’t talking about any of those people or things. He was empathizing with Kyle Rittenhouse
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Vance has no empathy to spare for the Kenosha, Wisconsin, residents who live with the consistent low-grade terror of racialized police violence—as manifest in the seven point-blank shots fired by Officer Rusten Sheskey into Jacob Blake, leaving him paralyzed, and which catalyzed anti-racist protests in the city. Those residents, sneers Vance, were “lawless thugs” trying to destroy Rittenhouse’s “community.” It is a blatant statement of support for racist foot soldiers and a justification of whatever violence they inflict.

Rittenhouse crossed state lines with his mother, menacingly entered a protest crowd wielding an illegal semiautomatic weapon he thought “looked cool,” shot three men including two from the community he invaded, and later claimed self-defense despite being the “only person who killed anyone” among hundreds of others who were out that night in Kenosha. Hours after entering entering his not guilty plea, Rittenhouse, who is not old enough to legally drink without his complicit mom by his side, went to a bar and took pictures with fascist Proud Boys while flashing white power symbols and wearing a shirt that read “FREE AS ****.”
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Hearing right-wing boosters attribute innocence and purity of motive to Rittenhouse, it’s hard not to recognize how those things are consistently denied to Black kids. In states where rightwing perversions of critical race theory have been turned into bans on the teaching of slavery, anti-Black racism, and the legacies of white American supremacy, the argument that history will make victims of white children prevails. The eight states that now legally prohibit a warped version of CRT in classrooms are attempting to ban any lesson that might make white kids feel “discomfort, guilt, anguish and any other form of psychological distress”—painting white children as the potential victims of truthful corrections to America’s whitewashed historical memory. School board members in Virginia are suggesting book-burning and bookshelves are being purged in Kansas to protect white kids’ inherent innocence.

When CBS asks “How young is too young to learn about racism?” they must know that Black kids learn firsthand about racism without being asked if the timing is convenient, a privilege extended to choosy white parents.

That courtesy is not provided to Black kids who, studies show, have a “25 percent jump in their likelihood of being diagnosed with a mental illness” because of racial discrimination. Black boys, and especially girls, whose suicide rates are currently increasing—and who now “are about twice as likely to die by suicide as white children of the same age”—do not get the benefits of victimhood conferred on their white peers.

The adults like Vance who somehow find a “baby boy” with a “moral core” in a young white man who needlessly shot three people, killing two of them, have no capacity for empathy when it comes to Black kids and young adults.

It’s a lethal blind spot. Isabella Tichenor, a 10-year-old autistic Black girl so cruelly bullied by her Utah classmates that she committed suicide, was insufficiently capable of being seen as a victim by white school officials who reportedly refused to intervene in response to her pleas.

Black children are far more likely to be punished with expulsion and suspension by school administrators who too often can only view them as perpetrators. America’s criminal justice system disproportionately tries Black kids as adults and sentences them to time behind bars, while letting kids like Rittenhouse go free. And study after study finds that Black kids are seen as angrier by teachers, as less innocent by cops (like the one who told Rittenhouse he was “appreciated,” later bypassing him after he’d killed two people), and as incapable of experiencing the same physical pain as white kids by doctors. The adultification of Black kids steals any notion of their victimhood away.

The word “victim” is also what three white killers asked a Georgia court not to use in reference to Ahmaud Arbery, the young Black jogger they boasted of having “trapped like a rat” before shooting him dead in the street. But while the judge in the case rightly rejected that appeal, a seemingly sympathetic court has agreed to Rittenhouse’s demand that the word “victim” not be used to describe the people Rittenhouse fatally shot. The term “looter” was sanctioned instead.

“I think our people hate the right people,” Vance said in a recent interview. Whether said out of political expediency or not, the impact of Vance’s words is the same. He is being transparent about who deserves to be regarded as a full person, whose basic humanity cannot be questioned, whose decency remains intact despite their struggles and foibles—and whose does not.

That idea is repeated in the words of Josh Hawley, who while literally claiming he was not saying men are victims, declared men victims of modern society; or Paul Gosar, who retweeted a video of himself killing of a congresswoman of color months after he called for the head of the officer who shot white Capitol insurrectionist Ashli Babbitt; or Tucker Carlson, who once suggested George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Jacob Black deserved what they got, but remains adamant in his defense of a white kid who killed two people.

These people are just saying the quiet part out loud—louder and louder, and again and again.

We previously covered Vance here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/old-content/msg7380/#msg7380
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 07, 2021, 08:25:54 pm
A quick reminder of the extent of our enemies' double-standards:

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1352402/

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If Kyle Rittenhouse is an example of white privilege, then Ahmaud Arbery is an example of black privilege since those white people weren't acquitted.

Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 17, 2021, 08:32:05 pm
When we discuss tribalism, we usually concentrate on tribalists refusing to help those in their outgroup despite good reason to do so. But the overlooked complement to this is the tribalist tendency to proactively help those in their ingroup even when there is no reason to do so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VoSgifL8yY
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 29, 2022, 08:07:29 pm
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10451921/Kate-Garraway-shuts-GMB-cancel-culture-debate-comic-defends-burkas-letterbox-remark.html

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Good Morning Britain shut down its own debate on cancel culture today after a guest defended Boris Johnson for saying women in burkas looked like letterboxes – before branding its male meteorologist 'the weathergirl'.

Comedian Leo Kearse said the PM's comment in 2018 was deployed as a 'visual gag' and was 'not a hateful thing' to say as he appeared on the show.

Why should something automatically become acceptable just because it is labelled as a joke (usually by the person who said it who wants to avoid consequences)? What does it really mean when our enemies claim that bad behaviour becomes acceptable if it is a joke? It means that so long as the ingroup finds it funny, it does not matter that it hurts the outgroup. This is the same tribalist logic that accounts for every behaviour from colonialism to animal experimentation: the ingroup benefits, so who cares about the outgroup?

Kearse is correct. Rightist jokes are not hateful. False Leftists who only know how to call rightist jokes "hateful" will never get anywhere. Call rightist jokes what they are: tribalist bullying. Bullies never hate their victims. Bullies consider their victims to be their source of entertainment.

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But his claims were leapt on by Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu who blasted him for 'utterly reprehensible' opinions and said he was 'part of the problem'.

Self-confessed 'uncloseted right-wing' comic Kearse hit back pointing out that white men with rosy cheeks get called gammon and asked her why that was not considered racist.

Because those rosy-cheeked men have been inaccurately calling themselves "white" for over 500 years and getting away with it. Calling them gammon is merely a way to expose their gaslighting (gaslighting itself being a form of bullying, thus anti-gaslighting is anti-bullying):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg520/#msg520

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg523/#msg523

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg524/#msg524

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/karenism-(a-k-a-ethnic-profiling-by-civilians)/msg9676/#msg9676

In contrast, burqa-wearers have not described themselves inaccurately in any official capacity, therefore calling them letterboxes is unprovoked and thus bullying. The difference between gammon and letterbox is same as the difference between retaliatory violence and initiated violence.

Anyway, this is Kearse:

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Anyone want to give his head the Samuel Paty treatment?
Title: The Right’s Obsession With George Soros
Post by: guest55 on February 14, 2022, 08:24:40 pm
The Right’s Obsession With George Soros | The Mehdi Hasan Show
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How did George Soros become the right wing’s go-to bogeyman? Author Emily Tamkin joins Mehdi to discuss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRxjYqspkNg

Reminder:
George Soros is a leading target of anti-Semitism. These Jews openly criticize him anyway.
https://www.jta.org/2020/09/08/united-states/george-soros-is-a-leading-target-of-anti-semitism-these-jews-openly-criticize-him-anyway
(https://www.jta.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/george-soros-attack-tweets.jpg)

Many Jews call Soros a "self-hating Jew", which really only ever means that a person with Jewish ancestry is more honest about Jewishness than the average Jew is....

(https://i0.wp.com/gmmuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Jack-Bernstein.jpg?w=571&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 19, 2022, 07:59:08 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-why-conservatives-love-canadian-164147849.html

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When Black Lives Matter or other liberal protest groups block a road for an evening, there is no shortage of calls for violence. Right-wing legislators hastily pass laws that would make it legal to run over protesters, and conservative pundits flood the airwaves and social media to decry the unspeakable horror of holding up traffic for a few hours.

But now that a very loud but ultimately small group of white people in Canada have disrupted the flow of goods and people for weeks, their tone is, predictably, different. Black people and their allies protesting police brutality is an affront to the American project. But fighting for the liberty to contract an infectious disease and give it to your neighbor? That’s called freedom, baby.
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As more proof that conservatives will latch on to anything that advances their cause, let’s check in on their crusade for “law and order.”

If we were to take their proclamations at face value, a dozen truckers blocking border crossings to and from one of our biggest trade partners seems like it would be cause for concern. But anyone who has been watching the conservative movement for the last 50 years knows that law and order is only for Black people.

And remember when everyone was blaming Joe Biden for the supply chain issues that have plagued the globe since the onset of the pandemic? For a week, the truckers blocked important border crossings, impeding the movement of goods and people. Auto plants on both sides of the border had to operate at a reduced capacity because they couldn’t receive the proper parts required for making cars.

Looks like supply chain issues weren’t that big of a concern after all, just a way to score cheap political points.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 26, 2022, 08:32:11 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLWIP73oWLA
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 01, 2022, 08:16:37 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dad-throws-body-over-sons-203752984.html

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Dad Throws His Body Over Son's to Save Him After Fall from Bull During Texas Rodeo

Rightist commenters:

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"A father willing to lay down his life for his son! ❤️," read one comment on the video.

"That's a hell of a Dad you got!" said another user.

Leftist commenters:

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Gee, I guess people who engage in ritual torturing of an enraged bull sometimes get what the bull thinks they deserve.

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You should expect these sort of things when you torture animals.

Rightist commenters anticipating leftist commenters:

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Let's see if today's feminists label this father's brave action as "toxic masculinity" and proof that the "patriarchy must be smashed."  Fathers are the pillars in nuclear families that respect traditional roles.

To the extent that bullfighters are overwhelmingly male, yes, bullfighting is toxic masculinity. Bullfighters should never be allowed to be fathers; that is how patriarchy should be smashed.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg11033/#msg11033
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest55 on April 17, 2022, 01:21:42 pm
OOPS! Nikki Haley Says Party Over Morals
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Nikki Haley accidentally exposes that she will always put her party before morals.Jayar Jackson and Francesca Fiorentini break it down on The Watchlist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Sgf24j-lg
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 12, 2022, 08:17:58 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans-criticize-biden-not-starving-193005865.html

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Republicans Criticize Biden For Not Starving Undocumented Immigrant Babies

Republicans criticized the Biden administration on Thursday for providing food to infants detained in its custody — effectively suggesting the babies should be starved because of their immigration status.
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Greene referenced photos of baby formula at a border facility, likely referring to a Washington Examiner article about immigrants detained at the border receiving baby formula amid a nationwide shortage. Nehls also tweeted a link to the article. The Examiner refers to the immigrants as a “lucky group” and cites posts by Rep. Kat Cammack (R-Fla.) about “thousands and thousands of containers of baby formula” being sent to the border. Cammack said she received a photo of the deliveries from a border agent.
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The right has demonized undocumented immigrants for years, and the U.S. has a disturbing record of neglecting or mistreating children in its care. In one of the most infamous examples, former President Donald Trump intentionally split children from their parents in an attempt to dissuade immigrants from coming to the United States. For years, Republican lawmakers have blocked efforts to grant legal status to undocumented immigrants who came to the U.S. as kids. Republican politicians have suggested immigrant detention centers, including ones that lock up children, are too nice.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 23, 2022, 09:15:28 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MY3G66WMIg
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 03, 2022, 12:35:37 am
Here is a succinct example of our enemies' obliviousness:

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2022/06/shes-gonna-blow/

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In summer children really could play great sprawling multi-block games of hide-and-seek after dark and no one worried. In high school in rural Virginia (I was there too) the boys had guns for hunting deer and shooting varmints in the bean fields and you could leave your .410 in the back seat of your jalopy in the school’s parking lot. Nobody thought of shooting anyone.

The deer and the "varmints" don't count?

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When two cultures have utterly different views of acceptable language, dress, behavior, study, and curricula, mixing them does not work. In the schools, academic standards fell. Discipline became a problem. Across America, cities burned because of conflict between black populations and white police. Euro-white culture, it turned out, was incompatible with Negro culture.

Which culture would the deer and the "varmints" prefer?
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 27, 2022, 08:48:26 pm
Read this from our enemies:

https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/06/saving-the-planet-not/

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Warming is positive!

Bengtsson even sees very clear advantages in warming: For example, an ice-free Arctic Ocean would enable more fishing, facilitate sea transport and improve living conditions in Canada, Scandinavia and Russia

In short, "non-whites" must die from overheating as collateral damage in order that "whites" can initiate sustainable violence against fish on an even larger scale than they already do. A.k.a. it's OK for fishing to be "white".

Anyway, this is the real reason why rightists do not care about global warming. Not so much because they don't believe it is happening, but because they expect to benefit from it if it does happen.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 16, 2022, 01:25:54 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1YhVy44pP0
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 21, 2022, 01:35:01 am
While we wonder if shooting Western scientists and machinists may be the only remaining way to realistically stop:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

this is what rightists are discussing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVZgwgZqHRA
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 05, 2022, 08:18:54 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/news/letters-editor-republicans-whine-anti-100009738.html

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Funny that some Republicans mock people aware of actual injustices suffered by racial minorities, but holler over the tiniest perceived slights against whites.
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Jean Guerrero’s column on how the GOP has changed from claiming itself "color blind" to whining about "anti-white" racism makes these Republicans sound a lot like the "snowflakes" they like to mock — as long as these snowflakes are people of color or others who’ve had actual injustices perpetrated against them.

As my 35-year-old daughter, now living in and loving Montana, asks anyone there who complains about the government and their white rights being trampled:

“What has the government actually done to you that’s so terrible? My Japanese American family was imprisoned in internment camps for three years, besides losing virtually everything they owned."

And our family got off easy compared to what other Americans have suffered for centuries.

It is both amusing and sad that the GOP has no empathy for those who were terribly wronged in the past and are still feeling its effects to this day, but it can’t handle Americans being expected to simply better understand and acknowledge racism in this country in order to right these ongoing wrongs.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest30 on August 18, 2022, 08:31:58 pm
Debate with the rigthist White Nationalist on Discord group named "SocialismStation", the leftist Discord online group

Date : Thursday, 18th August 2022, 00 : 26 until 01 : 02 Jakarta Time

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Explanation 1 :

I'm explained to a Discord account named "Willem#0538" that the Islamic people were justified to attack Europe during medieval and "renaissance" era, because they were "whites" and Jews whose behaviour was resulting colonialism. But he not answer my argument back, but only said anything which not related to the topic, that was showing that the European culture was "most educated"

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Explanation 2 :

I'm explained to him that the "White Europeans" were wrong if they are "educated". I show to him that even they not aware the danger of capitalism and don't know how to integrate the multi-racial society. And I said that the muslims were fair on enslave people, all of people from any racial-background can be muslims's slaves. Different to how the "White Europeans" see who can be slaves and how they treated slaves. And I explained to him that the "White Europeans" only ended slavery because not moral reason, but economic and political reasons from the rise of slave's large rebellion during that time.

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Explanation 3 :

I'm explained to him that indeed all groups of people commited slavery. But the racist slavery was uniquely only did by "White Europeans" during colonial era. And he kept saying that slavery were commited by all groups of people, which not relevant to my recent answer. And he uniquely justified the British's enslavement of the "colored" people in "Africa" during colonial era, because they are more weak. Even though I'm explained to him that the British can more simply invade and enslave the Dutch or Netherlanders. Which more weak from them if they want to have colonial territory and slaves. But he kept said that the British ever lose wars from Netherlanders which justified his support of British colonialism and enslavement to the people of "Africa". What a hypocrite man...

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Explanation 4 :

I'm already explained the hypocrisy of "White Europeans" when they did war and enslaved their opponents. They only enslaved and tortured ruthlessly the "colored", but kept freeing "whites" and arrested them with ordinary ways. And I said to him that the British can searched the another European nations which more easy than them if they want to did colonialism and enslavement, but they don't, because the European nations which close to them are inhabitated by "White Europeans". And he kept saying the same argument, that they rather colonized the easy target that is the "colored" people, because they are more weak according to him. And I said that from knowledge which I'm knew, only Hitler who didn't hypocrite and instead he dare to order his soldiers to enslaved the people whose be his ancestors. And he began to rant on this current conversation, not answering with logical arguments anymore

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Explanation 5 :

I explained to him that if the "White Europeans" were just during that time, they rather colonize and enslave their fellow "whites" rather than the other "colored" people. And he begin said anything rant to me without answer with knowledge arguments.

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Explanation 6 :

He kept said to me that I need to learn history meanwhile he not acknowledge his own hypocrisy. And he said that the "White Europeans" ever enslaved their fellow "whites" through the event of "Ostkolonisation". And I'm answered it with argument that the "White Europeans"'s conquest of the Eastern Europe were not ruthless until doing slavery rather than their conquest colonialism to the whole "colored" people, and if the "White Europeans" colonized the Eastern Europeans like how they colonize the "colored" people. Then their plantations will be full of "whites" too, but the fact was not like that.

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Explanation 7 :

And he kept rant to me. And I'm said again with argument that if the "White Europeans" were did according to "fairness" rather than the economic cause. They will attacked and enslaved their fellow "whites" first rather than spend much money to doing discovery to other far territories and colonized and enslaved the "colored" people. But the fact was the otherwise... And he kept said that colonize and enslave the "colored" people were the more easy target, and he said that there's nothing fair on slavery. Even though I'm already shown that there's more fair slavery than how "White Europeans" did slavery.

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Explanation 8 :

I'm explaining again to him that the slavery which did by the "non-white Europeans" were not unfair as how the "White Europeans" commit slavery. And there's no segregration on Mongolian Empire too. And I kept said to him that I reject to support the Ummayad Caliphate, seeing that they are govern with Arab racialist ideology, not really based on Islamic teachings.

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Explanation 9 :

He kept said that slavery was only European concept. Actually I'm from the beginning said to criticize the colonialist concept from the "White European"'s slavery. And he suddenly begin to pretend that he not supported the colonialist's slavery. But he already defended the "White European"'s slavery from the beginning of conversation with me.

This is the Discord account which I have conversation with

Account Discord named Willem#0538

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Nice to talk with the "White Slavic" people








Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest30 on August 21, 2022, 12:23:55 am
Debate with the Rightist on Discord Online Political Forum named "ShabbosGoyim"

Date : Sunday, 21th August 2022, 07 : 49 until 08 : 41 Jakarta Time

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Explanation 1 :

I'm explained to him that the Jews were always worked together with the "White Europeans" during the conquest of colonization and economic oppression to the world. And I tell to him that if the "White European" nations indebted, then they are not prosperous today if compared to the rest of the world. And he answered my arguments with ranting only...

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Explanation 2 :

I explained to him even though he said that the Jews were bring 14 millions "colored" people into slavery, the "whites" also helped them to did that. See how the "whites" and Jews worked together during their colonialism in the past... And I also said to remind him, that Israel was result of "whites"'s creation and assitance to Jews. And he only judging and rant to me again...

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Explanation 3 :

Suddenly he wanted to be an Israeli soldier to assist the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) military organization to kill Palestinians. But previously he always show the Jews's colonial crime.

Discord Group "ShabbosGoyim"

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Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest30 on August 25, 2022, 12:25:39 am
Debate with the Rightist on Discord Online Server named "Political Zone"

Date : Wednesday, 24th August 2022 17 : 34 Jakarta Time until Thursday, 25th August 2022, 17 : 26 Jakarta Time

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Explanation 1 :

He considered that the Spain and Portugal "shaped the world" during colonial era from 1492 until 1800s. I answered him by statement that they commited racial and colonial terror, and also capitalism. And it was result of Western Civilization which invented by "whites" and Jews which also resulting colonial nation of Israel

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Explanation 2 :

I explained to him that even though the Spain and Portugal did not helped creating Israel directly through their colonialism. They gradually helped the Jews gain power from allowing them (the Jews) work together with them during colonial era. So they paved the way to create Israel.

He also said that our people not forced to trade. And I answered to him that our homeland Nusantara forced to trade with the Spain and Portugal because their colonial soldiers forced us to trade the spices with sufficient amount for them without our consent. They terrorized us with their invasion and battles. It's also happened similarly to how the Dutch colonial people treated us with the same behaviour like how the Spain and Portugal colonialist behave. The result was colonialism for 350 years.


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Explanation 3 :

He began to said that all people regardless of their "race" were commited extermination. And he gave the example with showing the historical killings by the "native aboriginal Australians", "Africans" and "Arabs".

And I answered him that only the "White Europeans" who commited segregated conquest or colonialism, enslaved people with specific racial category, and made machines which kill mass animals and peoples. And it's them who made Israel and NATO multi-national organizations which oppressed the world until today. Different to the "native aboriginal Australians" who didn't do anything like the "White Europeans" whom he liked and support. And I also explained to him that the "Africans" and "Arabs" did not enslaved the another people with specific "racial" category too like how the "White Europeans" behave.


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Explanation 4 :

He said that something great/glorious doesn't have to be moral for all people. I answered him that the Jews of Israel will say the same thing if their accomplishment got questioned. And they will say that their achievement of making Israel don't have to be moral for muslims of Arabs.

He said that it was not fair to downlook the accomplishment of other nation only because your people didn't do it or it isn't moral. I said to him that was not fair if we justify European colonialism which conquer another peoples with segregration, and their action of spreading capitalist economic system and liberal ideology, and it's not fair if we justify Israel.


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Explanation 5 :

He said that gentrification was out from the topic discussion. But I answered him that gentrification resulting many expensive places while the most workers naturally were low-paid workers. So it promoting social Darwinism which resulting competition and social distrust not social fairness...

And I explained to him that Islamic teachings, like other socialist teachings, must order the fortunate ones to gave some part of their wealth to the less-fortunates, or the lower-class people. If they not did that, the ruthless punishment will came to them. Because they keep perpetuate social unfairness and distrust.

And he considered the torture cannot be compared to the social unfairness. And I said to him that the social unfairness can feel torturous if he opened his feelings to the what less-fortunate ones's feel. And if the social unfairness was not worse than ordinary "torture", there will be no Haitian Revolution, Beer Hall Putsch, and Bolshevik Revolution


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Explanation 6 :

He said that the Turks were on worst condition on 1683 while the Turks were almost conquered the power of Europe. And he said that the Turks were enslaved the Arabs, and made them revolt. And I answered him, that if Turks were oppressed and enslaved the Arabs, then there will be mass rebellions from them from early time during 1600s, not during 1919 when the Turks's caliphate got defeated. And I said to him that the Turks were enslaved people from all "racial" backgrounds, so they more fair than how the "White Europeans" enslaved the conquered people. And also I said to him that even the Nusantara people agreed to be part of Turks's Islamic caliphate during 1600s

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Explanation 7 :

He said that me who was yelling, not actually him. He told to me to compete with him and his fellow "White Europeans". And I said to him that we don't want to compete, but want to destroy your power through mass-immigration from the "colored Afro and muslim people" to replaced the "white" people like him.

And he said that the "Arabs" who easily defeated by tiny Israel did not following Japanese and South Korea example who are allied with the West which advantageous to them. And I answered to him that we are not slave like them, we only want to destroy Israel and we also hate the South Korea and Japan today because they are Western's allies (Which slowing our victory against Israel and Western Civilization)

He said to me that I must rejected Islamism and autocracy which according to him "killed more faithful muslims". And I said to him that I'm not rejected Islamism and autocracy, instead I must order the Islamic people to not war each other with their fellows and instead work together to against the "White Europeans" and Western Civilization more ruthlessly more than what the fellow muslims did on 1683 in the past.


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Explanation 8 :

He said that he liked and miss his glorious civilization, that was Western Civilization when it being strong and oppressive on it's peak. And I said to him that his sayings was the reason we must try to destroy the people like him, who embrace Western traditional Aristotelian civilization, which resulting terror, democracy, Judaism, and Israel, and liberalism.

And someone who helped him to debate me said to advice me to order to people to invest more on energy and nuclear rather than the petroleum to avoid easy possibility of economic crash. I answered him that we will do that, but the first way to do before achieve that is end the free-trade liberalism and more to implement guided-economic system which tend to socialist, or implement Islamic sharia economic system which forbade usury. And the important to do before do that thing is free ourselves from the nations who always disturbed and make us fail to achieve that goals, that's the nations of the West.

And he also said to me that the Egypt's new cities were only resulting extreme worthy minorities. And I answered to him that removing capitalism way of life from Egypt is the solution. And he said to me that I only blame anything bad because of Israel. And I answered to him that I'm gave thanks to him for remembering me to order the people to defeat the Israel and Jewish terror also.


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Explanation 9 :

He said that he had grandmother who ever lived in Nusantara with her fellow "Dutch White Europeans" were treated the Nusantarans fairly and not segregrated according to him. He said that his grandma's father has 2 Nusantarans who assisted him on mechanical work. And he said that the Nusantarans were second class citizens on doing political voting and doing law working on the court, even though he said earlier that the Nusantarans "were not segregrated" by the "White European Netherlanders". And that happened before his grandma and her father got thrown to concentration camp by the Japanese soldiers during World War 2. And after the war they got expelled when the communist take over according to him. Actually it was the Nusantara nationalist's takeover if we saw the Nusantara history correctly.

And he said that the Nusantarans who worked with his grandma's father were keep gave them supplies when they imprisoned on concentration camp by the Japanese soldiers.


And, he said openly that he was not oppose Israel, but support Israel

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Explanation 10 :

He explained that it was the Christian Europeans who destroyed the Israel. And I answered to him that he forgot that it was Europeans also who helped Israel created.

He explained that the Jews were allowed by Arabs during fall of Roman Empire, and worked together with muslims during the Crusade long war, they were allowed during Islamic rule, and they the Jews are keep muslims alive on Israel today... I answered to him that even though the Jews were allowed on muslim land during that time, they were discriminated because they are Jewish and prohibited to have power on Islamic land. But "White Europeans" let the Jews worked together with them and resulting enhancement of Western Civilization which terrorized the world with their own civilization.


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Explanation 11 :

And I said to him that he glorified the Dutch Empire like how the Jews glorified Israel during 1948

He said that the Dutch colonial build our nations, not like the other nation's colonies in "Africa". I answered to him that his ancestors, the "White European Netherlanders" were discriminated the Nusantarans. They spread division among Nusantarans with their devide at impera tactics. Like how Jews on Israel spread false news to the entire muslim world to defend their reputation. And our "African" brothers, the Khoisan and "black" people in "South Africa" also hated his Netherland ancestors too.

He said also that their colonial ancestors were built running water and waste disposal. And I answered to him that we still hated your ancestors and expelled them out. And we can live without forced to use their material building for thousands years. (The correct word not "expulse" but expelled, apologize for a bit wrong word)

And I try to forced him to remember how the Hitler's troops invade Netherlands during 1940 with the map picture of Invasion of Netherlands


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Explanation 12 :

And I said that I wish that what grandmother and her father experienced happened also to him, that is ever got imprisoned on concentration camp.

And he keep explaining what material bulding were build by the Netherland colonizers during their colonialism on Nusantara, I answered him back with showing that many battles were happened against the Netherland colonist people from 1596 until 1950. Like :

1. Battle of Bali
2. Diponegoro Battles
3. Acehnese people's battles against the Dutch colonist
4. Battle of Mataram (During the rign of Amangkurat I)
5. Battle of Batavia
6. Nusantara's Independence War
7. Bersiap Period
8. Netherlands's Military Agression 1
9. Netherlands's Military Agression 2
10. Liberation of Papua


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Explanation 13 :

I also explained that during the Hitler's troops invade and conquered Netherlands. The people of Nusantara were happy to see that thing and worked together with the fascist movements which recently exhibited on Nusantara. And even thousands of Nusantarans join the Nusantara's fascist movements to liberate Nusantara from Netherlands colonialism during 1930s until 1940s before absorbed together to work with the Japanese imperial integrationist rule. And during Nusantara's War of Independence, the remaining Hitler's troops who are stationed on Nusantara helped the freedom-fighters to fought the Dutch and British colonial soldiers during Battle of Surabaya on 10th November 1945. And during the Japanese imperial rule, the Hitler's troops assisted the Nusantara with gave them helmets, water bags, and cooking utensils

Source of historical knowledge from the Book "Jejak Hitler di Indonesia" by Hoorst Henry Geerken


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Explanation 14 :

He said anything which consider me of doing "victim-mentality" which showing that the colonized people were victim. And I'm not feel ashamed of that and must do that in order to make the oppressors and colonizers keep to be held accountable. He not answered anything of my political, ideological, and historical knowledge with logical arguments anymore.

The Discord account who debate me, solitairstategy#3742 and Sloosh#9800

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Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest78 on November 25, 2022, 04:39:03 pm
Is Freedom In America Just Freedom To Exploit?
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The GOP is promoting itself as the party of Freedom. But Freedom for who?

Will we continue to hold the notion that being free means getting lousy pay, no union, being broken by healthcare expenses and putting our kids to bed hungry? That “enforcing freedom” means LGBTQ people, racial and religious minorities, and pregnant women live in fear?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9VQdC90mMY
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 13, 2022, 05:23:19 pm
https://twitter.com/kaylyn_walker/status/1600698134379708420

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Large picture: how to get days off.
Small pictures: how to spend days off.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest78 on December 14, 2022, 02:31:56 am
Nothing quite says "pro-life" like hunting innocent non-humans with a rifle, or any other human-being invented weapon for that matter. These western "pro-life" types deserve to be hunted and tortured to death in the most painful ways imaginable! I wish upon a star that day comes before I myself die... 

They deserve to be lined up and shot for their hypocrisy alone, second only to their utter stupidity of course!

Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 14, 2022, 07:43:16 pm
Further details:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mizzou-students-want-wing-group-185200298.html

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One of Miller’s previous posts, shared widely on social media, shows her posing with Kyle Rittenhouse, the teenager acquitted of criminal charges in the fatal shooting of two men and the wounding of another during a Wisconsin protest in 2020 over the police shooting of Jacob Blake, a Black man.

The photo included the hashtags “#fangirlmoment” and “#gunrightsarewomensrights.” In another post, Miller is shown hunting, posed next to a deer, with the caption, “pulled a rittenhouse.”
Title: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
Post by: antihellenistic on January 29, 2023, 02:10:02 am
Debate with Zionist-Conservatives

I'm as Diktatur Abdul, the opponent account is Heinrich8916#2551

Part 1

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Part 2

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Part 3

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Part 4

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Part 5

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Heinrich's Discord Account Profile

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Conclusion is, he consider that westerner's colonialism and the founding of Israel were rational action. Oppressive thinking exposed...

Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest98 on January 29, 2023, 11:04:33 am
Hes not even trying to debate you he's just trying to insult you. You can tell hes a democracy lover too because he bring up the point many times that 'majority of people don't agree with you'.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: antihellenistic on February 03, 2023, 09:09:34 pm
Debate with the Westerners

They cannot answer with arguments and only judging and humiliation, with not allowing me to write a post anymore

Me as Diktatur Abdul, the opponents were "hypergraphiac", "RedOgtober1918", and "provolone"

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Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 21, 2023, 02:20:33 am
Jones, Harris, Uygur and Kasparian all have no clue what they are talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqjo4xqrKU0

The truth is that babies are served up every day to customers in Western restaurants:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veal

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Bob veal
Calves slaughtered as early as 2 hours or 2–3 days old (at most 1 month old), yielding carcasses weighing from to 9–27 kilograms (20–60 pounds).[4]

https://www.hsvma.org/facts_veal_calves#.Y_R_UR9BxPY

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"Bob" veal calves are newborns, some with umbilical cords still hanging from their abdomens, up to three weeks of age. About 15% of veal calves are marketed as Bob Veal.1 Meat from these calves goes into hot dogs and prepared sandwich meats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lechazo

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The meat used is from unweaned lambs, and is similar to veal, or the meat of "cochinillo" (Spanish suckling pigs like tostón asado). The autonomous region of Castile and León has a distinctive version of lechazo referred to as "Lechazo de Castilla y Leon". It is one of the most important dishes of the cuisine of the province of Burgos. Aranda de Duero is known as the heart of the dish, with numerous restaurants that specialize in lechazo and feature "hornos de leña", or wooden stoves, in which the lamb is roasted.[1]

The lamb used in lechal must derive all its nutrition from its mother's milk, and must be no more than 35 days old and weigh between 9 and 12 kilograms at the time of slaughter.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochinillo_asado

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Tostón asado or cochinillo asado is a dish consisting of roast suckling pig. It is commonly used in the Spanish cuisine of Castile, with the variants of Arévalo and Segovia being the most popular ones, although also popular in Madrid and in some places in the regions of La Mancha and Aragón.

https://www.spain-recipes.com/cochinillo-asado.html

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a pig the size of a typical cochinillo, which is only six to seven pounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squab

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In culinary terminology, squab is an immature domestic pigeon, typically under four weeks old,[1] or its meat. The meat is widely described as tasting like dark chicken. The term is probably of Scandinavian origin; the Swedish word skvabb means "loose, fat flesh".[2]
...
In 18th century France, pigeons à la crapaudine ("toad-like squab") was a popular "dish of skill" for both rich and poor, in which the squab was arranged so that it looked like a frog, with the breast forming the frog's "face". Religious dietary laws once prohibited meat on fast days, but allowed frog's meat, as it was a water dweller. Pigeons à la crapaudine played with that convention

etc. etc.
Title: Re: Trump disapproval
Post by: MAGA on February 26, 2023, 03:16:52 pm
Bryan Cranston says 'MAGA' could be viewed as a racist remark
https://youtube.com/shorts/onAToE6LvDs?feature=share
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 28, 2023, 07:31:57 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7rXGtwz3CA

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The GOP won’t try to stop climate change but they will make sure that they are not the ones suffering the most.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: antihellenistic on May 25, 2023, 08:13:36 am
Westerners don't care to treat others with a good attitude, they can place their waste in the place they want

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Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: antihellenistic on June 01, 2023, 07:37:23 am
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Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: christianbethel on June 01, 2023, 06:16:43 pm
Seriously, dude. No one can understand your word salad dialogue. What translator are you using?
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: antihellenistic on June 01, 2023, 06:52:15 pm
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Seriously, dude. No one can understand your word salad dialogue. What translator are you using?

Google Translate and my thought
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: christianbethel on June 02, 2023, 02:01:33 pm
What's your native language?
Title: Strange Moral Behaviour
Post by: antihellenistic on June 26, 2023, 04:53:06 am
Most of people only have empathy to their fellows or the peope who benefit to them. But I even sad and almost want to angry when see the "blacks" or other "colored" people persecuted by "whites" or the capitalist far away from my home. I don't know the logical  reason on what happen to me. What make me still agree with this forum is because I have such feeling like that. Even though I accept anything usually because it's logical
Title: Re: Strange Moral Behaviour
Post by: guest98 on June 26, 2023, 02:35:28 pm
"But I even sad and almost want to angry when see the "blacks" or other "colored" people persecuted by "whites" or the capitalist far away from my home. I don't know the logical  reason on what happen to me."

Good propaganda working as intended.
Title: Re: Red coup
Post by: guest98 on July 11, 2023, 04:33:49 pm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/07/11/sen-tuberville-says-a-white-nationalist--is-an-american-and-denies-terms-links-to-racism/?sh=91065c53a07c

Sen. Tuberville Claims A ‘White Nationalist’ Is Not Necessarily Racist

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Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) said “white nationalist” is “just a cover word for the Democrats” in an interview with CNN’s Kaitlan Collins Monday—doubling down on his previous controversial defense of the extremist group while wrongly insisting they are not inherently racist.


Tuberville made the remarks when Collins asked him to elaborate on his answer to an Alabama radio host’s question in May about whether white nationalists should be allowed to serve in the military: “They call them that. I call them Americans,” he told WBHM radio at the time.

Tuberville downplayed the definition of “white nationalist” in the CNN interview and said Democrats are using the term as “another word they want to use other than racism . . . to try to make people mad across the country.”

“My opinion of a white nationalist, if somebody wants to call them a white nationalist, to me is an American,” Tuberville told Collins

When asked whether he believes white nationalists should be serving in the military, Tuberville wrongly suggested that white nationalism does not equate with racism: “That’s just the name that it’s been given . . . if you’re going to do away with most white people in this country out of the military, we’ve got huge problems.”

In the May interview, Tuberville accused Democrats of using the terms “white nationalists” and “extremists” to overgeneralize all of the January 6 protesters and criticized Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin for ordering a 60-day stand-down to combat extremism in the military in the wake of the Capitol riots.

“You think a white nationalist is a Nazi? I don’t look at it like that,” Tuberville told reporters in May when asked to respond to his radio comments. “I look at a white nationalist as a Trump Republican. That’s what we’re called all the time. A MAGA person.”

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) issued a firm rebuke of Tuberville’s comments in May on the Senate floor, stating, “I cannot believe this needs to be said, but white nationalism has no place in our armed forces and no place in any corner of American society, period. Full stop.”


Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 11, 2023, 05:26:46 pm
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A ‘White Nationalist’ Is Not Necessarily Racist

This claim was actually common back in the late 00s. The narrative was that "whites" having "white"-only countries would be good for "non-whites". Many people were fooled. I was the first to ask why the colonial era happened if the above claim were true (since prior to the colonial era "whites" already had "white"-only countries). I also asked whether Israel was good for non-Jews. This forced them to either switch from denying ethnotribalism to openly defending ethnotribalism instead, or to stick with denying ethnotribalism by claiming that colonialism was "whites" helping "non-whites". Of course we are more than capable of easily refuting both these approaches.

Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: guest98 on July 13, 2023, 03:20:56 pm
A "white" nationalist is definitely a racist a "white" nationalist is not necessarily a racist. The foundational and guiding idea of a nation shouldn't be identitarian in nature but idealistic. A transcendental ideal which is able to emotionally unite all the different ethnic groups in the country into a united people, who will feel a nationalistic pride due to the high ideal that the nation represents and aims to strive towards. The ones who should hold the highest positions of authority in the nation should be those who, due to superior racial quality, are able to best express and radiate these idealistic energies on to the masses of people.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 13, 2023, 05:18:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjys1EDh--w
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: antihellenistic on August 02, 2023, 08:56:33 pm
The westerners cannot understand empathy, even if they are still smiling when they commit racial oppression. Only severe punishment can make them educated

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National Socialist's answer :

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Prof. Giliomee shows that, tendentious arguments of leftist historians notwithstanding, Nazi ideology had virtually no influence on apartheid. Nationalists were, in his words, “unequivocally rejecting National Socialism as an alien import into South Africa, and endorsing parliamentary democracy.” - American Renaissance 20.7 (2009 July)

Source :

American Renaissance 20.7 (2009 July)

https://archive.org/details/american_renaissance_2009.07/page/n9/mode/2up?q=Nazi+ideology
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 02, 2023, 09:04:00 pm
See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/social-media-dependency-is-linked-to-a-reduced-preference-for-freedom-study-find/msg19792/#msg19792
Title: Re: Western Democracy
Post by: antihellenistic on August 09, 2023, 07:16:18 am
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Title: Re: Communism
Post by: antihellenistic on August 26, 2023, 12:15:10 am
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Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: SirGalahad on August 26, 2023, 12:55:18 am
Literally none of the countries he listed are socialist countries. I hate when people bring up Scandinavia in this context, because it’s so common for people to do, and it’s so intellectually dishonest. Social democracies like the ones he’s bringing up are still capitalist. He didn’t even have to stoop to making this bad comparison for him to make his point, even if I obviously oppose what his point is insinuating. So that makes it even more annoying
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 31, 2023, 11:28:58 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/news/ice-sends-deportation-flight-haiti-150923829.html

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ICE sends deportation flight to Haiti after warning US citizens to evacuate
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“Those two cannot happen at the same time. You cannot be evacuating people and deporting people at the same time. That is beyond inhumane. It is definitely a violation against human rights,” said Guerline Jozef, executive director of the Haitian Bridge Alliance.
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On July 27, the State Department issued a “do not travel” notice for Haiti
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On Aug. 2, ICE repatriated 55 people to Haiti.

On Wednesday, the State Department escalated its warning on conditions in Haiti, calling on all U.S. nationals to leave the country “as soon as possible via commercial or private transport,” just hours before Thursday’s removal flight.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/ice/
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 20, 2023, 11:15:10 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFqeDswqG4c
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 21, 2023, 02:12:34 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/giorgia-meloni-european-left-leaving-140526520.html

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Europe at mercy of migrant waves thanks to the Left, says Giorgia Meloni

Even just the headline gives away her ingroup.

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The whole of Europe, the whole EU, may become Lampedusa if we continue to commit the same old mistakes, the scheme and mechanisms that the Commission proposed,” said Mateusz Morawiecki, the Polish prime minister.

Same again. Contrast with:

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Imogen Sudbery, of the International Rescue Committee, said it was time to recognise that “migration is a fact of life”.

“Building walls or other barriers will not stop people from risking their lives in search of protection. While cooperating with non-EU countries on migration is important, turning Europe’s neighbours into gatekeepers will not work - it will only push people into the hands of traffickers and divert them onto more dangerous routes,” she said.

“The solution lies in a comprehensive system founded on greater solidarity and responsibility-sharing, with a particular focus on relocating people away from states on Europe’s borders, and the opening up of safe pathways to access asylum.”

Sudbery also makes the mistake of calling smugglers "traffickers" (does anyone still remember what actual traffickers do?), but at least she bothers to describe the scenario from the perspective of the refugees themselves, something which is wholly absent from rightist approaches to the issue.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 08, 2023, 07:31:02 pm
It's OK for immigrant mass murderers to be "white":

https://vdare.com/letters/a-reader-asks-why-we-re-pointing-out-an-immmigrant-mass-murder-committed-by-a-white-immigrant

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I hope you are keeping well. I just read an article on VDARE, above. May I ask why you decided to publish this article which seemingly implies a connection between crime and immigration from a white European country like Italy? While I fully agree with VDARE’s many articles which link crime, especially violent crime, with non-whites, particularly foreign-born non-whites, I am perplexed as to how this overarching theme on VDARE applies to the case of Francesco Villi, a white man, who immigrated to Canada from a majority white European country.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 10, 2023, 09:52:23 pm
Our enemies think a story about racist parental tyranny is a story about:

https://www.amren.com/features/2023/11/interracial-adoption-destroys-a-family/

Firstly, let's note the author:

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Anastasia Katz, American Renaissance, November 10, 2023

With that out of the way, the parent looks like what we would expect:

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(https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/FerriterAtTrial.jpg)

Here is how Katz begins the article:

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On October 3, a trial began in Florida. Tim Ferriter, a white man, was charged with aggravated child abuse, false imprisonment, and neglect of a child.

as if the fact that a "white" man is facing charges is the problem. Because it should be OK for parents to be "white".

So, what kind of a parent is Ferriter?

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The Ferriters have four children, two adopted and two of their own. The oldest is a girl, adopted from China. The next oldest is a boy, adopted from Vietnam. He is the only child Mr. Ferriter was accused of abusing. Since he is a minor, I refer to him only by initials, “RF.” His face was hidden when this trial was televised. The Ferriters’ two youngest children, a girl and a boy, are biological.

What we are looking at is instinctive ethnotribalism: Ferriter perceives the "non-white" male child as a potential genetic competitor to his own patrilineal bloodline. The same psychology underlies why rightist anti-refugee propaganda always focuses on the young male refugees:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4PBDgx1cSo

Continuing:

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The police went to the Ferriter home and saw that RF had an unusual bedroom. It was an 8-foot by 8-foot windowless “box” in the garage, with a door that locked from the outside. Inside, there was a mattress and box spring, a desk, and a bucket. The room had an air conditioning unit. A Ring security camera was in a corner of the room, near the ceiling.
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I will call the oldest Ferriter child, adopted from China, “FF” because she is under 18. She is two years older than RF. She told the jury about the years the family lived in Tucson. At first, before the youngest child was born, each of the three children had his own room. RF was not confined at first, but later, his parents put a latch on the outside of his door, so they could shut him in. After their youngest child was born, Mr. and Mrs. Ferriter built a room for RF in the garage. This room had no windows and it locked from the outside. FF said the room smelled bad because her brother “peed in there.” RF’s bedroom was in the garage for two years before the family moved back to Florida, where they built another garage room.

RF is perceived as a bigger patrilineal genetic competitor the closer he gets to puberty.

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She saw her father grab him and drag him into the garage room. She heard her father yell at him, and she heard hitting noises. She said she feared her father would accidentally kill her brother. “At the time, I didn’t have a name for what was happening to him,” FF said, “But I do now: abuse.”

Mr. Ferriter’s defense lawyer claimed in opening statements that RF was locked in his room to protect the other children, but FF testified that she never felt afraid of RF

True to "white" form, Ferriter is projecting his own fear onto the other children.

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FF said RF was treated very differently from the other children. Her parents wouldn’t let him have the sugary snacks the other kids ate. When they moved to Florida, RF had to do yard work that she did not have to do, and RF was locked out of the house until his work was finished. RF received more severe punishments than she did, and she was never locked in her room. The older sister said she rarely ate meals with RF because he ate in his room. Sometimes everyone in the family went somewhere together, for example, to hear her band perform. RF stayed home, locked in his room. She noticed that RF was becoming more withdrawn and smiled less.

FF told the jury that her brother ran away once, and when he came home, their parents locked him out for a while. They did not let her open the door to let him back in.
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RF said he was in 8th grade when the family moved to Florida. Each of the other children had his own room in the new house, but RF’s bedroom was an 8-foot by 8-foot room in the garage. He knew that his father hired a contractor to build the room, explaining, “I was kept in the closet and I overheard their conversation of having to build it.”

The teenager testified that the floor was concrete, with some mats on it, “so it wasn’t so hard.” His bed was a mattress on the floor. The room had no windows. There was an air conditioner that his parents controlled; he was not allowed to turn it on or off by himself. The room had a light, but the switch was outside the room, so he could not turn it on or off. He said he was sometimes locked in the room during the day “for a couple of hours” with the light off. RF said when the light was off, the room was “pitch black” and he had to feel his way around.

The door had a lock and a deadbolt on the outside. RF said that most of the time he was inside the room, he was locked in. His parents installed a Ring camera so they could watch him and talk to him from other parts of the house.

If he needed to use the bathroom when he was locked in the room, he used a bucket. In Florida, he used the bucket only to urinate, but when he lived in a similar room in Arizona, he used a bucket to defecate also. RF said the room smelled “putrid” after he used the bucket.

Sometimes he was locked in with nothing to drink. “I received water occasionally, but not on a regular basis.” He ate most of his meals in the room. If he got hungry while locked in, he had no way to get food. He explained that “to me, being locked in a room, it’s dehumanizing. It’s almost as bad as genocide.” He said that if he refused to go in, “I was put in the room by physical force.”
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RF testified that on school days, Mr. or Mrs. Ferriter woke him at 6:30 or 7 am. He went outside and emptied the bucket in a way so that the neighbors would not see. He got dressed for school, but his clothes were kept outside his room. He said he got breakfast only about half the time. Breakfast was always peanut butter on bread and a banana. Sometimes he ate outside the house and sometimes he ate in his room. He left for middle school at 9 am.

RF brought lunch to school; he wasn’t allowed to buy lunch or any of the snacks for sale at school. His parents gave him a peanut butter sandwich, chips, and fruit for lunch.

He got home from school at 3:30 and his parents locked him back in the room, where he stayed until dinnertime. Sometimes he ate with the family, but most of the time, he ate in his room. His parents let him out at 9 pm or 10 pm to go to the bathroom, and then RF was locked in for the night.

Miss Coakley asked him what he had in the room. “I had my small selection of toys and just books,” RF answered, saying that his parents took his toys away and then took his books away until he was down to only a few textbooks. He was not allowed any electronics in the room, except for the school laptop he used for homework, but he did not have this all the time. RF heard others at school talking about playing games on the school laptop, but he was never allowed to.

RF testified that there were times when he was let inside the house to do chores. He sometimes played outside with his siblings, but most of his outdoor time was spent doing chores, such as raking leaves. He said there was a Ring camera facing the backyard, so his parents could watch him. He was not allowed back inside until his work was finished; he could not go inside to get a drink or cool off.

Because the charges against Mr. Ferriter were brought by the state of Florida, Miss Coakley told the jury they should make their decision based on the events that occurred in Florida, but she asked RF about his life in Arizona, too. RF’s first room in Arizona was inside the house. It had a window, a desk, a dresser, and a normal bed. He also had a coffee table that he played chess on. At some point, his parents put a lock on the outside of the door, and began to lock him in. There was no adjoining bathroom.

RF said he was put in the garage room at age 11, when he was in fifth grade. The garage room in Arizona had a bed with a box spring and frame, a desk, and a wall-mounted air conditioner, which he was not allowed to touch. He also had a bucket. He estimated that the longest he was locked in the room in Arizona was about 18 hours. He never knew how often he would be fed. “Sometimes I got all three meals, sometimes I got one, sometimes I got two.”

RF said that after they moved back to Florida, his father pushed and grabbed him, but things were worse when they lived in Arizona: “I was smacked in the face. He would grab me by the neck. He would grab my arm.” His father spanked him with a jump rope or a belt, and “there would be a lot of yelling.” If his sisters did something wrong, “they would get their phones taken away for a day or two.”
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The state called an expert witness, Dr. Wade Myers, a professor of psychiatry at Brown University. Dr. Myers said Mr. Ferriter’s treatment of his adopted son was “malicious,” “cruel” and “sadistic,” that they kept the boy in “solitary confinement,” which has “detrimental psychological impacts” on children and is not recommended even for children in juvenile detention. He added that children in detention have regular meals, access to bathrooms, a sink with water, and people they can call to for help. He said locking RF up was “torture.”
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The state showed the jury videos from the Ring cameras, which corroborated RF’s testimony. To protect his identity, the videos were not shown on television, and the audio was sometimes unintelligible. There was footage of:

    RF screaming, talking to himself, and crying.
    RF laying mulch in the yard while his parents sat and watched.
    Ferriter lecturing his son in a calm voice.
    Ferriter scolding RF for stealing candy, lying, and “having a bad attitude.”
    Ferriter throwing RF onto a bed and putting his hands on the boy’s neck, before turning off the light and leaving RF alone in the dark.
    Ferriter coming in to wake his son after 10 hours overnight and saying to RF, “Take out your bucket. Your neighbors don’t need to see your **** bucket.”
    A 12-minute exchange you can listen to here. It’s a long rant, in which Mr. Ferriter loses his temper, breaks something in the room to prove his point, and uses foul language. Mr. Ferriter notices a pretzel on his son’s bed; he tells him to eat it right away. “You want rats in here, too?!” He suggests that sometimes RF chooses not to eat.

The video ends with Mr. Ferriter talking to RF about running away: “You have no **** idea what’s out there. You think you do. All 14-year-olds, 15-year-olds, these kids you’re around, you might think you know what’s going on in the world. . . .  I’m not quitting. You’ve got me forever, so deal with that."

The last paragraph sounds like what rightists say to us about trying to decolonize.

Patrilineal genetic competition must be weakened. That is the subconscious ethnotribalist instinctual imperative. That is behind everything described in the entire quote above.

Next, cue the ethnonepotism from the judge:

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Judge Howard Coates explained, “It is not a crime for the parent to impose reasonable physical discipline on a child for misbehavior . . . even if physical injury resulted from the discipline.”
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The judge told the jury it could convict Mr. Ferriter of a lesser charge, “culpable negligence,” which was defined as “unintentionally but recklessly causing harm to another.”

Fortunately:

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After deliberating for four hours, the six-person jury (races unknown) found Tim Ferriter guilty of all charges: aggravated child abuse, false imprisonment, and neglect of a child.

Ferriter's guilty verdict (and the possibility that he was convicted by (*gasp*) "non-white" jurors), rather than what Ferriter did to RF in the first place, is what our enemies consider to be the travesty in this story:

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Mr. Deborzatti, the couple’s Australian friend, shook his head and mouthed “I can’t believe it.”

This is how utterly oppositionally we and our enemies perceive the world.

Katz concludes:

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Mr. Ferriter was determined to “not give up” on his son. Now, he won’t be able to rear his biological children, and they are living apart from each other and from their mother. White Americans must understand that their foremost duty is to have white children and put their own families first.

This is the literal closing paragraph of the enemy article! You cannot make this **** up!

And the depravity continues in the enemy comments:

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The opposite is true for White kids who receive moderate discipline at an early age which gradually turns mild as they get older & are granted more social freedom because they can be trusted to be good honest people without the moral supervision of their parents since they have internal morals which allows them to determine what's right & wrong

Was Ferriter not once a "white" kid? How did he turn out? I thought this was already the most ironic comment possible, and then I read:

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The person I am most disgusted with is the adopted Chinese girl. After getting a great start in life she backstabs her White parents.

I give up.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: NarrativeInCrisis on November 10, 2023, 10:18:37 pm
Ferriter probably won't do well in prison once the other inmates figure out his charges. He deserves the worst. I hope is death is slow and painful.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on November 17, 2023, 12:32:55 am

What we are looking at is instinctive ethnotribalism: Ferriter perceives the "non-white" male child as a potential genetic competitor to his own patrilineal bloodline. The same psychology underlies why rightist anti-refugee propaganda always focuses on the young male refugees:

https://www.quora.com/What-exactly-is-a-military-age-male-and-why-is-this-term-so-common-when-people-refer-to-refugees/answer/Jan-Meyer-21?ch=10&oid=392458155&share=7fefb3fa&srid=QgAZE&target_type=answer
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A “military age male”, depending on how much of a bigot the person in question is, is any boy from the age of 12 (that is the extreme bigot), 14 (less bigot), 16 or 18 all the way to, again depending on level of fearmongering and bigotry, 40 or 60.

It refers to the men who would or could be called into service in case of a war.

It is basically commentators from countries without conscription trying to shame and demonize people for not having any plans of dying in a (civil) war.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 17, 2023, 01:23:29 am
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trying to shame and demonize people for not having any plans of dying in a (civil) war.

From what I have gathered reading countless enemy discussions, it isn't so much that rightists are implying that "non-white" male refugees should be fighting in the countries they have fled from, but that rightists are accusing them of literally being a de facto army "invading" the countries they are seeking asylum in.

We debunked this all the way back here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg9870/#msg9870

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If State A invades State B, former taxpayers to State B will now be paying taxes to State A instead (ie. State B loses taxpayers; State A gains taxpayers). In contrast, if inhabitants of State A migrate to State B, these former taxpayers to State A who have migrated will now be paying taxes to State B instead (ie. State B gains taxpayers; State A loses taxpayers). Thus in fact immigration is the opposite of invasion.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg11535/#msg11535

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg17806/#msg17806

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg20576/#msg20576
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: rp on November 17, 2023, 01:28:23 am
"From what I have gathered reading countless enemy discussions, it isn't so much that rightists are implying that "non-white" male refugees should be fighting in the countries they have fled from, but that rightists are accusing them of literally being a de facto army "invading" the countries they are seeking asylum in."
Depends on what degree of racist the rightist is. In the early days of the refugee crisis (2015-2016), I mainly noticed the former argument. Perhaps it has changed.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 28, 2023, 05:14:00 pm
https://twitter.com/MyHandsRatedE/status/1723373025813303520

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“My children are prior to the child the of the enemy” is a very important white supremacist ideology
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-qOSFkXYAAvPSG?format=jpg&name=large)

A more accurate description would be: "My children are prior to the child of the outgroup." "Enemy" gives the inaccurate impression that what matters to tribalists is whether outgroup children will endanger the ingroup children. Actually, what matters to tribalists is whether the ingroup children can benefit from the outgroup children being oppressed. The most obvious example is non-human children (who are in no way endangering human children) being used for food/experiments/etc. intended to benefit human children.
Title: Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 01, 2023, 04:16:09 pm
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bJusAgcOX2s/maxresdefault.jpg)

Yes. What does rightist appropriation of BLM really tell us? It tells us that rightists think that:

1) "non-white" murdered by "white"
2) "white" murderer not charged
3) protests happen calling for "white" murderer to be charged

is equivalent to:

1) "white" murdered by "non-white"
2) "non-white" murderer charged
3) protests happen calling for "non-whites" to be collectively punished.
Title: Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 16, 2023, 03:06:21 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/news/anger-israeli-government-mounts-military-185909879.html

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Anger at Israeli government mounts after military admits to mistakenly killing hostages
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Emotions were raw a day after news broke that Yotam Haim, Samer Talalka and Alon Shamriz had been killed by soldiers from their own side.
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A preliminary investigation has been launched “at the highest level,” the official said, adding that the conduct went “against our rules of engagement.”

But this conduct:

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Inside Gaza, more than 18,700 people have been killed, while around 90% of the population has been displaced, with many living in spiraling humanitarian conditions

does not.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYO27r1WsAA6e5j?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 28, 2023, 03:14:13 pm
Our enemies again demonstrate their utter incapability of understanding non-tribalist thinking:

https://vdare.com/posts/big-city-dem-mayors-two-black-demand-biden-pay-for-border-invasion-but-not-stop-it

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Big City Dem Mayors, Two Black, Demand Biden Pay For Border Invasion (But Not Stop It)

Yes, because paying for the refugees helps the refugees, whereas stopping the refugees from entering does not help the refugees. Duh!

The mayors are complaining that they are insufficiently funded to care for the refugees. They are not complaining about their duty to care for the refugees. They want to care for as many refugees as they have the resources to care for; they are asking for more resources (of which the US has plenty - think about how much money Biden is giving Israel to destroy Gaza with) so that they can do their duty more effectively!
Title: Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 25, 2024, 10:39:25 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJfjCk0Q2WI
Title: Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 05, 2024, 06:14:33 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXAFfgrhBuQ

It's not even as complicated as False Leftist Iadarola makes it. "Speaking languages that nobody has heard of" is illogical as the speaker of the language and whomever they speak it to must have heard the language by definition. Unless, of course, they do not count as "anybody". Which, of course, is how Trump sees them. So, which foreign language speakers  count as "anybody" (ie. the in-group) to Trump?

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2018/07/13/trump-opposes-foreign-worker-visas-except-for-mar-a-lago-fred-grimm/

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President Trump has found himself forced to staff his beloved Mar-a-Lago Club with the very sort of workers he once vowed to banish — those damn job-stealing foreigners.
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The Prez and his cronies require something special from their servers. Perhaps an exotic East European accent.
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a disproportionate number of servers with accents out of the old Soviet bloc.

https://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/news/donald-trump-foreign-workers/

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Another former staffer told CNN Trump took a particular liking to her when he found out she was European.
Title: Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: antihellenistic on March 19, 2024, 06:21:20 pm
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For instance, research on the personality and motivations of political conservatives and liberals in the United States has shown that conservatives tend to self-report a greater need for closure, structure, order, certainty, and absence of ambiguity (meta-analysis by Jost et al., 2018; see also Carney et al., 2008; Gerber et al., 2010; Jost, 2017; Jost et al., 2009). Political liberals, on the other hand, report a more favorable attitude toward science (J. M. Blank & Shaw, 2015; Lewandowsky & Oberauer, 2016; Tullett et al., 2016; but see also Washburn & Skitka, 2018) and tend to perform better on tests of cognitive ability (Choma & Hanoch, 2017; Deary et al., 2008; Eidelman et al., 2012; Heaven et al., 2011; Hodson & Busseri, 2012; Onraet et al., 2015; Yilmaz & Saribay, 2017). Political liberals are also more resistant to conspiracies or misinformation (Jost et al., 2018; Miller et al., 2016; Pennycook & Rand, 2020; Pfattheicher & Schindler, 2016; Sterling et al., 2016). Further research into values and moral foundations has suggested that political conservatives adopt more “binding” values such as sanctity, authority, and loyalty, whereas political liberals value more “individualizing” forms of morality that emphasize fairness and care (Graham et al., 2009, 2011; Kim et al., 2012; Nilsson & Erlandsson, 2015; Van Leeuwen & Park, 2009;


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Recent research centered on dogmatism—measured through individuals’ general receptivity to evidence and respect for credible alternative viewpoints—has shown that dogmatic individuals have highly impulsive personalities (Zmigrod et al., 2021). Impulsivity was also implicated in individuals endorsing ideological violence to protect their in-group (Zmigrod & Goldenberg, 2021), suggesting impulsivity contributes to ideological tendencies (Zmigrod et al., 2021).


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Mental inflexibility has been implicated in extreme ideological identities (for review, see Zmigrod, 2020) in the context of politics (Zmigrod, Rentfrow, & Robbins, 2020), nationalism (Zmigrod et al., 2018), religion (Zmigrod, Rentfrow, Zmigrod, & Robbins, 2019), dogmatism (Zmigrod, Zmigrod, et al., 2019), and a willingness to endorse violence and self-sacrifice (Zmigrod, Rentfrow, & Robbins, 2019). Importantly, cognitive rigidity was manifest on both the extreme right and the extreme left (Zmigrod, Rentfrow, & Robbins, 2020), suggesting that ideological extremity may be as psychologically important as the mission of the ideology.


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Furthermore, recent research examining the cognitive profiles of a range of ideological attitudes found that impairments in strategic information processing were linked to more conservative, authoritarian, nationalistic, and religious tendencies (Zmigrod et al., 2021). 7 This impairment was also evidenced in individuals who were more willing to support extreme progroup actions to protect their in-group. These impairments were manifest in performance on executive-functioning tasks associated with working memory and planning, illustrating that there are common cognitive roots to ideological thinking across a range of ideological contexts. A difficulty in planning and executing complex action sequences in basic perception may thus increase people’s reliance on coherent collective dogmas that simplify the world into absolute explanations and clear behavioral prescriptions.

Source :

Zmigrod L. (2022). A Psychology of Ideology: Unpacking the Psychological Structure of Ideological Thinking. Perspectives on psychological science : a journal of the Association for Psychological Science, 17(4), 1072–1092. https://doi.org/10.1177/17456916211044140
Title: Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 09, 2024, 01:06:24 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkwvwN8EeZ4

By the way:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/denmark/

Trump liking Denmark at least makes sense given both are similarly evil. On the other hand, TYT also liking Denmark just reveals TYT's False Leftism.
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 18, 2024, 07:07:27 pm
Example supplied by our enemies:

https://www.amren.com/videos/2024/04/the-french-discover-hyperviolence/

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Besanson is near the Swiss border, and it held its annual carnival on April 9th. Two identitarian feminists from the Nemesis Collective decided to make a statement.

They hung a banner in town that said, “Forty-six women would have been saved from **** if all expulsion orders from French territory had been carried out in 2023.”

Would not the expelled rapists have instead merely **** women outside French territory? Thus actually zero women would have been saved. But rightist minds cannot process this.

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They also joined a parade and carried signs. One said “Foreign rapists out” and the other said “Save us from immigration.”

The identitarians also look like what we would expect:

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(https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/27.jpeg)

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The Green Party mayor of Besancon charged them with inciting hatred against immigrants, and the girl who carried the “foreign rapists out” sign was arrested, spent a night in jail, had her computer confiscated, and her apartment searched.

Thank you, Green Party! Are Greens the only sane ones remaining in France?

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/green-wave/

Continuing:

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Soon, other people started posting pictures of themselves with the message “foreign rapists out.”

(https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/30.jpeg)

They also look like what we would expect.

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In the local regional assembly, members of Marine Le Pen’s National Rally party held up signs with the same message, leading the flustered presiding socialist to end the session.

(https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/31-2.jpg)

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/rn/

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Virginia Joron, a member of the Euro-Parliament for the National Rally, said, “We are being submerged by migrants.

(https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/34-2.jpg)

The question is not how to spread them around better. It’s how to make them leave.”

She also looks like what we would expect.

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Pascale Bordes, who represents the National Rally in the French legislature, says Muslims “refuse to integrate and impose their alien way of living on us.

(https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/35-zuma-1536x1024.jpg)

She also looks like what we would expect.

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The next elections for the European parliament are just a few weeks away: June 6. Of all the candidates, the one with the highest rating in all of France is Jourdain Bardella, the 28-year-old new head of the National Rally

He also looks like what we would expect:

(https://images.bfmtv.com/UMUCXbal5Mhh89GVetPImSksBR0=/0x0:1280x720/800x0/images/Marche-contre-l-antisemitisme-pour-Jordan-Bardella-Emmanuel-Macron-a-rate-un-rendez-vous-avec-l-Histoire-1750020.jpg)

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/old-content/

Enemy comments from the first link:

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Hyperviolence has long been described by Eric Zemmour who is a very based man.

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The ‘Reconquest Party’. I actually know what that is. It’s the party to the right of The National Rally founded relatively recently by Eric Zemmour. Former journalist Zemmour declared war on Muslims and immigrants.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/eric-zemmour-948/

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: antihellenistic on April 18, 2024, 10:49:27 pm
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Nearly all the world history books produced during the 1980s and early 1990s that Bentley examines focus on how Europeans came to establish economic, cultural, and ecological hegemony over the world and how non-European cultures sometimes “succumbed” to European “numbers, weapons, and disease” but occasionally fought heroically against European “deculturation.” Among his favourites is Daniel Headrick’s three-volume Tools of Empire: Technology and European Imperialism in the Nineteenth Century; The Tentacles of Progress: Technology Transfer in the Age of Imperialism, 1850–1940; and The Invisible Weapon: Telecommunications and International Politics, 1851– 1945. He says of these volumes that they “explore the technological dimension of European imperialism….how Europeans rapidly extended their influence throughout the world during the age of the new imperialism” (19). Even books on the history of tiny islands, informed by ethnographic insights such as Greg Dening’s Islands and Beaches: Discourses on a Silent Land: Marquesas, 1774–1880 (1988) and David Hanlon’s Upon a Stone Altar: A History of the Island of Pohnpei to 1890 (1988), are celebrated as “world histories” insomuch as they discuss how “Europeans approached the islands in large numbers equipped with firearms, alcohol, and exotic diseases,” and how the cultures of these islands were destroyed by white settlements, weapons, and diseases (25). Works on the indigenous peoples of North America are also listed as insightful studies of a hemispheric encounter that “brought demographic collapse, ecological imbalance, dependence on trade goods from abroad, heightened intertribal tensions, psychological despair, alcoholism, and deculturation” (26).

Source :

The Uniqueness of Western Civilization by Ricardo Duchesne page 55

Recall :

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