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Title: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 24, 2020, 03:59:55 am
OLD CONTENT

Action after the online setback.

First is, Judaism has made a model of martyr-image exploitation. Second, Judeo-Christians (and many other religions) have sympathy towards Jews and Judaism. Third, Judaism is a pillar of Western Civilization.

The first two make overt attacks against Judaism immensley difficult without preparation. This leads to number three, Judaism IS a pillar of Western Civilization and the problem is that people still have faith and sympathy of that. Thus, WestCiv should be portrayed as having a rotten root.

Tanakh (Old Testament in Judeo-Christianity & also a part of traditional Islam)
**Numbers 33-52**
"Drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you. Destroy all their carved images and their cast idols, and demolish all their high places."

**Deuteronomy 7-5** --- IDF & ISIS explained from their own holybook
"This is what you are to do them: Break down their altar, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire."

**Deuteronomy 7-6** --- Tribalism in a nutshell
"For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession."

**Deuteronomy 9-14**
"Let me alone, so that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven."

**Deuteronomy 20-16** --- IDF & ISIS explained from their own holybook
"For in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes."

**Deuteronomy 23-19**
"Do not charge a fellow Israelite interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest."

**Deuteronomy 23-20**
"You may charge a foreigner interest, but not a fellow Israelite, so that the LORD your God may bless you in everything you put your hand to in the land you are entering to possess."

**Exodus 22-18**
"Do not allow a sorceress to live."

**Isaiah 19:2-3**
"And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother and every one against his neighbor; city against city and kingdom against kingdom. And the spirit of Egypt shall fall in the midst thereof; and I will
destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.

**Isaiah 34**
"The Lord is angry at all the Gentiles; he will deliver them to the slaughter; their land will became burning pitch; it will become a wasteland, soaked with their blood; there will be no nobles in the land; their princes will die out."

**Leviticus 1-3**
"If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, you are to offer a male without defect. You must present it at the entrance to the tent of meeting so that it will be acceptable to the Lord."

**Leviticus 4-27 to 28**
"If any member of the community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD's commands, when they realize their guilt and the sin they have committed becomes known, they must bring as their offering for the sin they committed a female goat without defect."

**Leviticus 12-1 to 5**
"The Lord said to Moses, 'Say to the Israelites: ‘A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period. On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised. Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over. If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.'"

**Leviticus 26-30**
"I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you."

**Esther 8-17** -- Celebrating Purim, a mass murder of those "not chosen"
"In every province and in every city to which the edict of the king came, there was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting and celebrating. And many people of other nationalities became Jews because fear of the Jews had seized them."

Don't martyr Judaism, they'll win that way. It's their model, however sado-masochistic. Instead, point out that the Old Testament IS, IN FACT, a key to WestCiv and this is what makes WestCiv so reprehensible and led it to colonialism and other things. It's a key of WestCiv, however not one to be lauded, rather despised and ideally excised. It's a dogmatic and savage religion that can be lumped with traditional Christianity (Evangelicals, Catholics, etc), thus don't target ONLY J-ism, rather with it's related religions. This way you can't get blamed for blaming just Js and J-ism.

Further info, quotes to consider, mostly American-history relevant:

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable." ~JFK, Revolution away from WestCiv

"Today we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." ~JFK (who should replace Reagan as the "best All-American President) Leftist Militarism

"The thing worse than rebellion is the thing that causes rebellion." ~ Frederick Douglass, 1st JFK quote follows this directly.

"I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those who do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who wanted freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who wanted to continue the system of exploitation. I believe that there will be that kind of clash, but I don't think it will be based on the color of the skin." ~Malcolm X, Looking past tribal (superficial) boundaries

"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly... it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated."
~Thoman Paine, probably the most anti-dogmatic religion US Founder Father. Again, Leftist militarism, though Rightists also use this quote.

The next could open a hornets nest, so stress is against "Biblical Tradition" as the OT is part of traditional Christianity and even branches of Islam. Note that Paine directly mentions traditional Christianity.
“Could we permit ourselves to suppose that the Almighty would distinguish any nation of people by the name of His chosen people, we must suppose that people to have been an example to all the rest of the world of the purest piety and humanity, and not such a nation of ruffians and cut-throats as the ancient Jews were; a people who, corrupted by and copying after such monsters and impostors as Moses and Aaron, Joshua, Samuel and David, had distinguished themselves above all others on the face of the known earth for barbarity and wickedness. If we will not stubbornly shut our eyes and steel our hearts, it is impossible not to see, in spite of all that long-established superstition imposes upon the mind, that the flattering appellation of His chosen people is no other than a lie which the priests and leaders of the Jews had invented to cover the baseness of their own characters, and which Christian priests, sometimes as corrupt and often as cruel, have professed to believe.” ~Thomas Paine, Age of Reason. Serious anti-dogma and this is the "draining of the swamp" that needs to be done, not what Trump said, rather the flushing of this old, rancid set of ideas deemed "holy"

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New Testament (social justice) vs Old Testament (homophobia):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyho6yTxDkg

This needs to happen more often.

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news.yahoo.com/mississippi-wedding-venue-cites-christian-175408467.html

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In a now-viral video posted on Facebook on Saturday by LaKambria Welch, an unidentified woman can be heard saying, in part, "we don't do gay weddings or mixed-raced (weddings) because of our Christian race, I mean our Christian belief."

Excuse me??

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I take it no FBI agent has ever actually read the Old Testament?

“Old stereotypes”…. You mean the stereotypes that one is forced to see whenever they read any of the texts associated with the racial doctrine known by non-Jews as Judaism?

Undercover in the Orthodox Underworld
gen.medium.com/undercover-in-the-orthodox-underworld-83c61ba3aa83

I must think this one thought atleast twice a day, everyday, if not more: How could any person read the Old Testament and believe the “god” contained with in to by Holy and good? Only an insane person could pull something like that off, and be serious about it, right?

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Rightists complain about this:

www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/09/nativity-scene-shows-holy-family-separated-caged-at-u-s-border/

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“In a time in our country when refugee families seek asylum at our borders and are unwillingly separated from one another, we consider the most well-known refugee family in the world,” Rev. Ristine wrote.
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“What if this family sought refuge in our country today?” she asked.

“Imagine Joseph and Mary separated at the border and Jesus no older than two taken from his mother and placed behind the fences of a Border Patrol detention center as more than 5,500 children have been the past three years,” she said.

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Rightist attitude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lDqTXbg_HU

(Again I disagree that there is nothing that can be done about the judges. Bullets work fine.)

Also rightist attitude:

vdare.com/posts/criminal-alien-gains-sanctuary-in-church-ice-should-haul-him-out-of-it

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/19/polish-priest-wishes-pope-early-death-call-catholics-take-muslim/

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Polish priest wishes Pope early death over call for Catholics to take in Muslim refugees
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Father Edward Staniek, a parish priest in the southern city of Krakow, had apparently been angered by the pope’s call for Catholics to take in Muslim refugees because it was their Christian duty.

We despise Francis too, but for the opposite reason. Whereas Staniek despises him for following the New Testament, we despise him for also following the Old Testament:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11392641/Pope-Francis-parents-can-smack-their-children-for-bad-behaviour.html

Old Testament only = Judaism (e.g. Staniek)
Old Testament + New Testament = Judeo-Christianity (e.g. Francis)
New Testament only = Gnosticism (e.g. Jesus)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 24, 2020, 04:09:54 am
OLD CONTENT contd.

“Go forth, be fruitful, multiply” -Tanakh
Embedded in the Western psyche is the primitive biological drive to perpetually reproduce

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www.yahoo.com/news/president-gave-us-much-hope-232747729.html

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When the president beckoned the executives to the lectern to say a few words about their efforts, up first was Lindell — a major Republican donor, the Trump campaign’s chairman for Minnesota and someone who has called Trump the “greatest president” in American history and someone who was “chosen by God.”
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“God gave us grace on November 8, 2016, to change the course we were on,” Lindell began, referencing the day Trump was elected president. “Taken out of our schools and lives, a nation had turned its back on God.”

Lindell then offered advice to families stuck at home because of various social-distancing guidelines: “I encourage you to use this time at home to get back in the Word, read our Bibles and spend time with our families.”

And this is why we need this reaction:

wbckfm.com/michigan-rep-rashida-tlaib-retweets-f-a-national-day-of-prayer/

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Think carefully about this statement:

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Europeans were in need of new frontiers to sustain their spirit, and so God ordained them to take lands in New World.

Duchesne explicitly admits that those like him can never be satisfied with what they possess (no matter how much), but will always be "in need of new frontiers". For them it is not about obtaining that which will bring lasting contentment (and thus end desire for more), but rather about endlessly reiterating the action of acquisition itself.

In other words, violently taking for themselves what belongs to others (and justifying it theologically) is what they will keep doing over and over again to everyone else for as long as they are allowed to continue existing. In light of this, how can anyone argue that they should not at the very least be prohibited from reproducing?

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"Duchesne explicitly admits that those like him can never be satisfied with what they possess (no matter how much), but will always be "in need of new frontiers". For them it is not about obtaining that which will bring lasting contentment (and thus end desire for more), but rather about endlessly reiterating the action of acquisition itself."

This is fundamental to Turanian psychology, which necessarily thrives on the subjugation and plunder of other people, since Turanians, being nomads, did not themselves have a permanent territory which they could call home.

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us.yahoo.com/huffpost/st-johns-fire-protest-donald-trump-004306778.html

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After a press conference in the Rose Garden Monday evening, Trump walked from the White House to pose in front of St. John’s Church’s sign while holding a Bible. Law enforcement fired tear gas at hundreds of peaceful protesters to clear the way for Trump, The Associated Press reported.
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Bishop Mariann Budde, leader of The Episcopal Diocese of Washington, told HuffPost that she was “outraged” about Trump’s appearance. “I am going to do everything in my power to disassociate our church from what the president did tonight,” she said.

Trump used the Bible and St. John’s Church as a backdrop for a message that is “antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our church stands for,” Budde said in a separate statement.

“He did not pray when he came to St. John’s,” Budde said. The president also failed to acknowledge the agony of people of color who are “rightfully demanding an end to 400 years of systemic racism and white supremacy.”

“In no way do we support the President’s incendiary response to a wounded, grieving nation,” she said.

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This is beyond self-parody......

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www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/church-isn-t-saying-black-050024877.html

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This past Sunday, I held my breath, waiting to see what fellow white Christians would tell me about their church services. Would their white pastors speak out directly against racism, proclaim Black Lives Matter, and urge their congregants to join the uprising as white allies? What I feared—and what many of my own social media followers told me—happened. Many pastors opted to either completely ignore George Floyd’s murder (instead adhering to business as usual) or preached vague messages of peace and love. Some even threw in a MLK quote for good measure. Now white Christians have a choice to make. They know where their pastoral leadership stands. Do they stay, or do they walk away?

Christians are supposed to love others as they love themselves. The Bible is clear as day on this. The Bible also says faith without works is dead. Is prayer important in a believer’s life? It’s supposed to be. However, it’s not the sole method of loving God and others. Christians are supposed to be in-action, or as the Bible says, the hands and feet of Jesus. Another verse commands Christians to be “salt and light.”

You may have left the church, or decided it wasn’t for you in the first place, because you believe Christians are hypocrites. They say one thing and do another. I empathize with this pain. Why aren’t congregations across the country on their knees praying for people of color and then taking action by reading books on anti-racism, joining the protests, and electing woke candidates into governmental positions? If you have been jaded by the church, you are certainly not alone.
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Some white Christians believe politics and social justice have no place in church. They prefer to sit comfortably in pews, sway to music, and hear sermons that coddle their fragility—messages that don’t rock the boat. They are quick to condemn what they believe to be wrong without every recognizing that they are, in fact, upholding white supremacy by doing nothing. They are dangerous, and they don’t even know it, oblivious that their silence is quite loud. They also believe that by sponsoring African children, using diversity stock photos on their websites, and being nice to people of color (including their “one black friend”), they are clearly not-racist. (Ahem, tokenism much?)

I truly believe that churches, just like each person, are either anti-racist or racist. Author Ibram X. Kendi explains that there’s no gray area or neutrality when it comes to racism.
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saying nothing is saying something: that black lives do not matter.
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A pastor who claims God loves everyone should also be willing to lay down his life for another. That’s what a true friend does, as the Bible says. We are supposed to be putting others before ourselves. We are also commanded to empathize, to weep with those who weep.

If white Christians continue to support their complacent and “neutral” churches with their efforts and dollars, they are choosing to continue to harm their black brothers and sisters. Subjecting children to whitewashed, white privileged teachings means raising future racists. Likewise, giving tithes (that Christian talk for financial donations to the church) to an entity that upholds whiteness is feeding white supremacy.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CA1Scu3Bu4g/?utm_source=ig_embed

I would put it even more strongly: you can either be "white", or you can be Christian, but you can't be both.

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Our enemies are conceding Christianity to us:

www.counter-currents.com/2020/06/speak-the-truth-or-kiss-it-all-goodbye/

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These are very dark days, but one fact shines out: this is not happening because the mobs have more power than we do. It is happening because we are allowing it to happen. We have given them the power they have. A healthy society, a healthy white majority that was sure of itself and morally unconfused, could have shut these mobs down in one day. But what of the Leftist elite? Don’t they have greater power than us? There too, they derive their power from our consent. We have consented to make them moral authorities. We have allowed them to define the limits of “acceptable” discourse. Cravenly, we have again and again conceded them the moral high ground. Why? Ultimately, the reason has to do with the fact that Leftist ideology is the distilled essence of a certain sermon on a certain mount, which we have all been virtue-signaling our approval of, but never fully believing in, for almost two thousand years.

As I have said before, we are not "cultural Marxists". If anything, we are cultural Christians. And now even our enemies are gradually understanding this.

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Is Hanukkah a Racist Holiday?*
www.westernspring.co.uk/is-hanukkah-a-racist-holiday/

*YES

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If it was a holiday for non-Jewish Whites seeking to jump out of the melting pot and have their own culture and not be assimilated it would be called that.

You be the judge. Substitute Whites for Jews and imagine what anti-White bigots might be saying about it.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes of Syria, a ruler who sought to end conflict among people, tried to make his empire a peaceful place by eradicating differences among the diverse groups in his empire (sound familiar?).

This well-intentioned, or evil, ruler, depending on your point of view, wanted all people to have one religion (his religion) so that there would be no religious disputes. He also wanted all people to have one culture (his) so there would be no cultural disputes, and he wanted all people to be of one race (his) so there would be no racial disputes. His solution was to create a great melting pot (familiar concept, isn’t it?) where various minority peoples–and especially the Jews–would be assimilated into his brave new world.

A few “extremist” Jews (i.e., those who didn’t agree) said “No thanks, we like ourselves just as we are.” These grassroots “extremists,” led by Judah Maccabee, a peasant, resisted blending in, and they were hated and reviled as what we would now call “racists,” “bigots,” “extremists,” “separatists,” supremacists,” etc., and, to coin a term, “judeocentric.”

Not all Jews helped Maccabee. In fact, the elites of Jewish society favored the blending away of the Jews (much as our modern elites favor the blending away of whites) and they helped the tyrant in his attempt at assimilating Jews into non-existence.

The “extremist” Maccabees, weren’t having it and they fought against both the Syrian tyrant and their own Jewish elites. In time, the Maccabees won, and Jews who didn’t assimilate, became the only Jews, and they celebrated their victory over the forces of assimilation with Hanukkah.

So, Hanukkah was about Jews being able to have their own identity and religion as they themselves decided was right for themselves, and it was a struggle against their extinction by assimilation.

There are lessons in Hanukkah for both modern Jews and non-Jews alike.

Isn’t it time, today, for more Maccabean type of thinking? But from non-Jewish awakened Whites, this time?

The evil forces that want to blend all nations, all religions and all races together are working overtime to accomplish this and their primary target is White people and White nations.

If they can flood formerly White nations with enough non-Whites, nature will take over and the White genotype will be absorbed into the non-White genotype and Whites will go extinct. Look around where you live. Isn’t it starting to look less White? It’s not your imagination. You’re seeing genocide in action on a daily basis.

Evil is creeping in on soft feet. It is White extinction that is happening right in front of our eyes with one act of bedroom genocide at a time, and we are being told that “diversity,” “multi-culturalism,” “the rainbow of humanity,” is a good thing and that if we want to remain White, it is a bad thing.

Whites should not buy the lies and they should trust their eyes and their reason and they should struggle to stay White in all ways possible.

One can almost imagine Antiochus singing John Lennon’s song, IMAGINE.

Funny, when you hear Lennon singing this, the blending away of distinct races, nations and religions doesn’t sound evil, does it?

But, it is evil to those of us who believe that distinct races, nations and religions have a right to exist as they choose to exist and to remain separate and have their own self-identification and self-determination without interference from other races, nations and religions.

Fight the genocide and the haters by having many more White children. The more of us, the better for all of us and the greater the chance that we will survive as Whites.
WNs are confirmed Judeophiles.

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For the record, the Orthodox Church is more Tanakh-heavy than the others:

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"the "Anagignoskomena" (ἀναγιγνωσκόμενα, "things that are read") comprises ten of the Old Testament books rejected in the Protestant canon,[109] but deemed by the Eastern Orthodox worthy to be read in worship services, even though they carry a lesser esteem than the 39 books of the Hebrew canon.[110] The lowest tier contains the remaining books not accepted by either Protestants or Roman Catholics, among them, Psalm 151."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodox_Church#Bible

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"The Eastern Orthodox canon includes the deuterocanonical books listed above, plus 3 Maccabees and 1 Esdras (also included in the Clementine Vulgate), while Baruch is divided from the Epistle of Jeremiah, making a total of 49 Old Testament books in contrast with the Protestant 39-book canon.[83]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterocanonical_books#Eastern_Orthodoxy

Look at this ****:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Maccabees#Synopsis
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 24, 2020, 04:13:06 am
Our enemies again concede Christianity to us:

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2020/07/18/the-way-forward-partition-partition-partition-and-the-remainder-of-the-operational-plan/

   
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we must separate the White Western tradition from Christianity. Northern and Eastern Europe weren’t fully Christianized until the twelfth century, and some parts of Europe were arguably never truly Christianized. The White West has arguably been non-Christian longer than it has been Christian. ... Moreover, the Renaissance and the explosion in human knowledge that has taken place from the Renaissance to the present day has occurred as Christianity has gradually withered. I doubt that is an accident.

I agree. As I have pointed out in the past, the Renaissance happened after the Cathars were exterminated. I doubt that is an accident.

   
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Christianity has become one hundred percent Christ and zero percent Charlemagne, and that is a serious problem.

I would like to take partial credit for this development. And seriously, who do you think Christianity is meant to be about? Check the name "Christianity" FFS.....

   
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If White Christians, on balance, continue to choose religion over the race, the religion may have to be discarded altogether for Whites to survive. How can Whites thrive, or even survive, if one third of our people are anti-White leftist lunatics, and two thirds of the remaining two thirds are Christian nutjobs who place fellow Christians above their own coethnics?! If Whites cannot shape Christianity to serve our people, what good is it for our people?

Please discard it ASAP so that we can begin re-Gnosticizing it.

   
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Whites, in truth, must learn to be more like the Jews. Jews put the tribe first and belief second, and they’re impervious to criticism. That is arguably the key to Jewish success.

By now, you already are. That is why, just as Jews rejected Jesus' teachings 2000 years ago, seeing in them an ideological danger to Jewish tribalism, you are now doing the same because you see in them the same ideological danger to "white" tribalism.

 
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Christian leaders today do not seem to care if White defectors are replaced with 70-IQ African believers. Like Western oligarchs, they seem more interested in quantity than quality.

You still don't get it, do you? What you call the "70-IQ African believers" are higher-quality than you by Christian standards!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 27, 2020, 03:14:08 pm
I repeat, leftists are not "cultural Marxists", but cultural Christians:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/07/27/vatican-calls-for-mass-regularisation-of-illegal-migrants-in-spain/

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“In Spain, mass regularisation can be a solution that benefits everyone,” said Father Fabio Baggio during an online forum last week with representatives from Spanish Catholic dioceses in charge of immigrants.

Representatives of the far-left Spanish political alliance Unidas Podemos (“United We Can”), comprising Podemos, United Left, and other left-wing parties, immediately embraced the Vatican solution, noting that it coincides exactly what the Spanish Left has been calling for.
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This universal regularisation of all immigrants is both “an imperative of justice” and “the right decision from the health and economic point of view,” the group insists.

After the announcement of the Vatican’s support for mass regularization, the spokesman for Unidas Podemos, Pablo Echenique, tweeted a message to the leaders of the centre-right Partido Popular (Pablo Casado Blanco) and the nationalist Vox party (Santiago Abascal), urging them as Catholics to follow the Vatican’s lead and welcome the call for universal amnesty and citizenship.

In his address last week, the Vatican’s Father Baggio said that there would be “massive migratory flows stemming from people’s desire to find a solution to their economic problems” following the coronavirus pandemic, and urged nations to welcome them and rejected a “new protectionism” against unchecked immigration in Europe.

“We think that many countries will have restricted entry, as they have done at this time, without promoting regular channels of immigration… to give priority to their nationals,” the priest warned. “This rise of ‘new protectionism’ could cause an increase in irregular channels of immigration.”

There is not a single rightist who has ever tried to deny that Jesus was pro-refugee.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on July 27, 2020, 06:11:50 pm
BTW, now that leftists are becoming Jew-aware, Jews such as cartoonist Eli Valley (Jew) are trying to deflect blame by putting the blame on so-called “White Christian” Gentiles, when the phrase itself is an oxymoron. Thankfully, Black Twitter seems to be woke to this, hence why they put “Christian” in quotes when referring to “White Christians”
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 25, 2020, 11:31:27 pm
BLM increasingly understand that Jesus is a leftist:

(https://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/20200824_znp_h154_070-465x600.jpg)

But do they understand that Moses would have unloaded a clip into the opposite guy than Jesus would have?

Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 03, 2020, 11:46:39 pm
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/tucker-carlson-guest-compares-priest-recognizing-white-privilege-catholic-worship-service

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TUCKER CARLSON (HOST): The video of the Catholic mass in which the Nicene Creed has been replaced by talking points from BLM really should make us think.

ERIC METAXAS (GUEST): Well, it's stroking violence, if I could coin a phrase. I'll be honest with you, it's -- if they had a swastika on the altar, it would be no different.

Bingo!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: Dazhbog on September 04, 2020, 05:38:11 pm
I repeat, leftists are not "cultural Marxists", but cultural Christians

Meanwhile in the Russian Orthodox Church, praised by rightists for its traditionalism:

https://imrussia.org/en/society/281-the-russian-orthodox-church-and-the-curse-of-the-mongol-yoke

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(https://imrussia.org/images/stories/Society/Ordynskiy_sindrom/stalin.jpg)

Left: Patriarch Alexy I of Moscow greets Joseph Stalin on the occasion of his 70th birthday (1949). Right: Icon portraying Joseph Stalin, where he (following a totally unsubstantiated legend) is asking St. Matryona of Moscow for her blessing. The icon appeared several years ago at the St. Princess Olga Church in the city of Strel'na of Leningrad Region. Representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church have frequently urged the canonization of "the great leader" as a saint. They justify this rationale by stating that Stalin was deeply religious. Meanwhile, leaders of the Communist Party in St. Petersburg and the Leningrad Region have also addressed the Patriarch with a proposal to canonize Stalin.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 09, 2020, 12:26:50 am
https://us.yahoo.com/news/catholic-priest-says-democrats-going-162059363.html

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Father James Altman, pastor of St. James the Less Catholic Church, lashed out at Father James Martin, who participated in the Democratic National Convention. In a 10-minute video posted to YouTube, Altman called the priest a “hyper, confusing spreading heretic” and had harsh words toward Democrats.

“Here is a memo to clueless baptized Catholics out there: You cannot be Catholic and be a Democrat. Period,” Altman said in the video posted Aug. 30. “The party platform absolutely is against everything the Catholic Church teaches, so just quit pretending that you’re Catholic and vote Democrat. Repent of your support of that party and its platform or face the fires of hell.”

Tyler, Texas, Bishop Joseph Strickland tweeted his endorsement of Altman’s statement.

Most telllingly:

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A Pew Research poll last month found white Catholics support President Donald Trump for reelection by a margin of 19 points, but Hispanic Catholics overwhelmingly support Biden, according to the Catholic News Agency.

Demographic Blueshift also applies to churches.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 16, 2020, 12:09:12 am
Another win for us:

https://vdare.com/posts/surrender-of-the-southern-baptists-american-christianity-has-fallen

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The Southern Baptist Convention has fallen, as has every other denomination before it. It no longer exists, in the process of renaming itself the “Great Commission Baptists,” in a move Convention President J.D. Greear [Tweet him] declares is “essential” to supporting Black Lives Matter.

And our enemies' reaction?

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The American Church is no more; organized, institutional Christianity is gone, except perhaps for Russian Orthodoxy.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 24, 2020, 11:23:57 pm
Why do they even bother claiming to be Christian?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nc-pastor-yells-white-power-from-truck-during-weekend-trump-parade-videos-show/ar-BB19obuv

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Unlike most of the speakers at the Trump rally at Ace Speedway on Saturday, Jesse Hursey wore a suit. His black leather shoes shone. His hair was carefully brushed back. The satiny red tie he wore over a light blue shirt flapped in the breeze.

Hursey faced the racetrack stands. A crowd gathered around. “First of all, I’m a Christian,” Hursey said, his voice rising and falling with a preacher’s practiced cadence. “Second of all, I’m a Republican. And in that order.”

Later the same day, Hursey drove a pickup truck through Elon, shouting “White power!”
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Bynum Baptist Church, where Hursey acknowledged he preaches, is an independent church and not affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention, said Milton A. Hollifield Jr., the executive director and treasurer of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on September 25, 2020, 12:39:44 am
Even from a purely aesthetic standpoint, rightists who claim religiosity should be laughed at. Thankfully, this is happening more and more as "religion" and "tradition" cease to be synonymous with one another. Just look at Hursey (Gentile) FFS!:
(https://cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/5615998031001/c744b4cb-982b-4e30-b6fd-3cb1868c6533/615eb0c4-2742-4fac-a34e-2627d14aee21/1280x720/match/image.jpg)
Note the sloping forehead and receding hairline
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on September 26, 2020, 12:37:40 pm
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/35/6a/8b356a113153c2dac35ab9b66d2b5c39.jpg)

(https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/62102-Thomas-Paine-Quote-The-New-Testament-they-tell-us-is-founded-upon.jpg)

Many "Christians" are in for a rude awakening on the day of their judgement if they stay on their current shallow and ridiculously ignorant path....

Most "Christians" cannot even follow the simplest instructions of their supposed prophet:
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He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in. — Jesus

It's pathetic!

I once heard someone say in an interview, "There aren't really that many Christians but you will know when you run into one...".

BONUS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeN5TmIMaGc

Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on October 04, 2020, 11:16:12 pm
Trump Supporters: The Bible Should Influence The Supreme Court
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Michael Shure asks Trump supporters about religion in politics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5fCCfbdsaE

Trump LAUGHS At His Christian Supporters
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Donald Trump secretly mocks religious supporters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clNn1zAOtkM
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 19, 2020, 11:54:13 pm
This is a useful blog for keeping track of our enemies' ongoing attempt to promote the Orthodox Church. I was just reading this post of theirs:

https://russian-faith.com/culture/having-pets-instead-kids-should-be-considered-psychiatric-disorder-n2777

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Christian musician Nicole Nordeman recently posted an account on Facebook of a couple she overheard at the airport holding a FaceTime call with their “baby” and his “grandparents.”

“They are cooing and gushing and exclaiming ‘well look at YOU, big boy! So big! So handsome! Are you being so good for Nana???’” These “parents” pester their own parents with questions about baby’s feeding, pooping, and playtime, and “nearly collapse with joy” when “baby” comes back on screen for a last goodbye. “Mommy and Daddy love you,” the couple squeal. “You are the best boy! We’re coming home so soon!”

Nordeman says she turned around to sneak a look at this sweet baby who’s so beloved by his parents, only to find…a yellow Labrador retriever.

How much embarrassment must it bring those “grandparents” to participate in such a call? How badly must they want real grandchildren, instead of pet-sitting an attention-smothered dog? How much grief must they feel watching their child waste her parental instincts on an animal while they’re forced to play along in the couple’s sick and disturbing charade?
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But there’s a more serious and long-lasting consequence of millennials’ choice to substitute babies with animals, even temporarily: They aren’t getting around to actually having babies.

In other words, do what the Tanakh teaches, not what Jesus teaches.

And then there's the Gentile blood memory thrown in:

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I suspect dogs hate owners who treat them this way. They don’t want to be pushed around in a carriage, sung to sleep, or sent to daycare. They don’t want to be your surrogate infant. They want to be your pack-mate—your hunting companion. They want to chase down something in the woods and rip its still-beating heart out, together. They are, after all, descended from wolves.

We have instincts to raise children. Well, guess what? Dogs have instincts, too. “…the bloodlust, the joy to kill,” writes Jack London in “Call of the Wild.” “—all this was Buck’s…He was raging at the head of the pack, running the wild thing down, the living meat, to kill with his own teeth and wash his muzzle to the eyes in warm blood.”

This is what they call "Christianity".....
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on October 20, 2020, 01:43:16 pm
Disgusting. These people actually believe they are followers of Jesus....
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 10, 2020, 10:50:21 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hungary-government-proposes-constitutional-amendment-201119894.html

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BUDAPEST (Reuters) - Hungary's government proposed a constitutional amendment on Tuesday requiring children to be raised with a Christian interpretation of gender roles, as Prime Minister Viktor Orban's ruling nationalists turn to anti-LGBT rhetoric to shore up support.

Judaism on gender:

"Male and female created He them." - Tanakh

Christianity on gender:

"When you make the male and the female one, so that the male will not be male nor the female female ... then will you enter the Kingdom.” - Jesus

Which do you think Orban means? Answer:

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Hungary "protects children's right to the gender identity they were born with," using language consistent with a government campaign to outlaw transgender identities.

Hungary should be castrated using WMDs.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 14, 2020, 10:31:17 pm
There is no question which god this guy worships:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oa2GSyQSIw
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 21, 2020, 10:51:36 pm
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/17/935910276/the-white-elephants-in-the-room

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In some of the recent polling data that you found before the election, eight in 10 white evangelicals said that they would vote for Trump. Given Trump's very particular biography and demeanor, his appeal among white evangelicals is confusing for a lot of us who are not part of that world. So why have they embraced him so enthusiastically?
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Trump's appeal among this group really was a cultural appeal. It was really the "Make America Great Again" mantra. I think most of the power of that slogan was in the last word: again. It was hearkening back to a kind of 1950s America, where white Christians and particularly white Anglo-Saxon Protestants were more dominant in the society demographically and culturally. That's also obviously before Brown v. Board of Education, desegregation and the civil rights movement. And it really had that power. I even started calling them nostalgia voters in the 2016 election cycle, because it was that backward pull that was really the real attraction.

In 2016, the question [about evangelicals] was: How could you vote for someone who's been divorced and remarried multiple times, who talked about sort of sexually assaulting women, who paid off a **** star? I think the more relevant question for 2020 is: How could white evangelicals continue to support a candidate who has openly refused to call out white supremacist groups, who has said derogatory things around immigrants? Now, we've had four years of this: the denial of systemic racism, criticizing protesters and what can only be called really racist rhetoric. And I think the answer to that is that it's actually part of the worldview that white evangelicals still hold. And so those kinds of appeals actually weren't repellant; they were actually part of the attraction of Trump to white evangelicals.

A worldview which, it goes without saying, has nothing to do with what Jesus taught.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on November 22, 2020, 12:28:50 am
Makes you wonder how many other "white" evangelicals sit at their dinner tables and have sexual fantasies about their family members doesn't it? I think for most of the rest of us we look at our family members and wonder why any one else would find them attractive, or at the least we are not attracted to them ourselves. I still remember when my sister used to eat her boogers, I was a little taken back when someone married her....

Donald Trump's unsettling record of comments about his daughter Ivanka
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'If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her'
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When Donald Trump was watching his 16-year-old daughter Ivanka host the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant, he turned to the then-Miss Universe and asked: “Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-creepiest-most-unsettling-comments-roundup-a7353876.html

Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 22, 2020, 02:38:30 am
To be fair, Jesus as far as I know never addressed the topic of incest.

As for the Tanakh:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_incest

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In the Hebrew Bible, sexual relationships between siblings are forbidden to Jews but permissible to Gentiles

Perhaps more relevant to the Ivanka angle:

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One of the most notable features of each list is that sexual relations between a man and his own daughter are not explicitly forbidden
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Some say it means sexual relations between father and his daughter are only allowed if the husband is a widower, if the mother has died (and cannot feel jealousy) the relationship is allowed.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 15, 2020, 12:12:59 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__bYcI-lQGs
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on January 04, 2021, 05:45:55 pm
How the 'Western mind' was shaped by the Medieval Church
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Most research on human psychology focuses on Western societies, but the way people in the West think can be traced to changes in family structures in the Middle Ages.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201231-how-the-way-you-think-was-shaped-centuries-ago

The western mind thinks Judaic and many westerners behave as you would expect Yahweh himself to behave....

For example, westerners may not sacrifice their children physically on an alter as Yahweh recommended Abraham do to Isaac, but they sacrifice their children's innocence symbolically instead by sending their children to western schools where they learn to become western adults, or as we like to call them: the adulterated.

(https://miro.medium.com/max/864/0*wnIGfz1-8N-8cx4E)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 13, 2021, 12:20:33 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk4-lYH8K2g
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 15, 2021, 01:49:39 am
https://us.yahoo.com/news/white-american-christianity-needs-honest-160336600.html

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In the past few days, I’ve seen all kinds of statements from Christian leaders trying to distance themselves from the violent mob at the Capitol. Christian writers known for their thoughtfulness lament that “somehow” white supremacy has crept into our churches, and the faculty of a major evangelical institution put out a manifesto saying that the events at the Capitol “bear absolutely no resemblance to” the Christianity they teach. That mob, they’re telling us, is a fringe element. They’ve radically misunderstood the real message of American Christianity.

This could not be further from the truth.

I believe the mob at the Capitol has radically misunderstood the teachings and life of Jesus. But it is an absolutely logical conclusion of white American Christianity.

In other words, the latter is based on the Old Testament.

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Hundreds of years ago, the Church laid the foundation for the theft of the Americas, enslavement of Africans and Native Americans, and centuries of brutal colonization worldwide, with the doctrine that it was O.K. to take land and liberty from people who were not Christian.

Within their first decade on this continent, the holiness movement of the Puritans, who told themselves they’d come to the “new world” to spread the gospel, had virtually exterminated the Pequot people, and enslaved many survivors. And Roger Williams, the Massachusetts minister who became the first advocate for religious freedom and the separation of church and state, was banished from his colony by his fellow Christians for objecting to government attempts to enforce the first four of the Ten Commandments, refusing to swear an oath of loyalty to the government of Massachusetts and saying grace over his meals at the wrong time. Alone and sick, he fled into the New England winter, which almost killed him. Though his fellow Puritans gave lip service to the idea that they had come to the continent to share the light of Christ, he was the only one who bothered to learn local customs or languages. Saved that winter by the Narragansett people, he was without a church home when he died years later.

Williams’ doctrine of the separation of church and state was eventually inscribed in the American Constitution. And Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence reflects the strong influence of Christianity in the American colonies, by rooting the rights it demands in our status as creatures of God. But the Declaration of Independence also describes Native Americans as “merciless Indian savages,” and the Constitution defined African-Americans as only three-fifths of a person. Despite America’s early public piety, this country is explicitly founded on the idea that the people who built its farms, roads, cities and wealth, without freedom or payment, are not quite human. And despite Jefferson’s rousing insistence on the equality of “men” in the eyes of God, his own wealth came mainly from a factory he staffed with enslaved children.

Sentimental depictions of Christian faith among enslaved people are popular with American Christians, and the rich tradition of gospel music, perhaps America’s greatest contribution to world culture or the church, was unquestionably created by people living in American slavery. But people in slavery in America did not start becoming Christian in large numbers until around 1800, because American slave-holders avoided sharing Christian teaching with the people they enslaved, so that they wouldn’t find themselves in the position of holding fellow Christians in slavery, which might force them to give up their “property.”

See what I mean?

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For early voices that spoke out against slavery within the American church, the price was high. Benjamin Lay, who shamed the Quakers into becoming abolitionists with stunts like standing outside meetinghouses on Sunday morning barefoot in the snow to remind the good Christians of the condition of the people they held in slavery at home, died unwelcome as a member in any Quaker church.

For the vast majority of American history, Christian ministers have spoken with passion and vigor in favor of slavery, segregation, and white supremacy. Not even all Christian abolitionists were convinced of the full humanity of the people they fought to free. The Ku Klux Klan is a movement deeply rooted in the church, in both the North and the South.

When Black Christian clergy organized the 1963 March on Washington, where Martin Luther King, Jr., a Baptist minister, delivered his “I Have A Dream” speech, Christianity Today, founded not even a decade earlier by Billy Graham, and edited at the time by one of evangelicalism’s most prominent theologians, Carl F.H. Henry, called it “a mob spectacle.”

Today, American neighborhoods are more segregated than they were in the years immediately following the Civil War. But churches are even more segregated than the rest of society. Sunday morning, when people stream into services, is one of the most segregated hours in America.

These are not minor aberrations, sidenotes to our history, either as a country or a church. White supremacy, racism and segregation are a cancer running through our major organs. And our apathy toward them, or our comfort with them, compromise and threaten to kill all the other good we hope to do.

We cannot get rid of them by pretending they’re not central to our history, and central to the way we live today. And in our hearts, we know they are. That’s why so many Christian institutions and leaders have failed to speak out directly against racism and white supremacy, instead taking refuge in recent days in vague calls for prayer and healing. We know if we confront these foundational American sins directly, their supporters will cause convulsions that may tear our institutions apart – and knock us from our coveted positions.

But there can be no healing without this direct confrontation. You cannot cure cancer by pretending it is not there.The white American church can’t pretend that the mob at the Capitol is not part of us.

It is us.

To have any hope of healing, we must acknowledge that fact. We must admit our own ignorance. Our own apathy. Our own discomfort with people who are different from us. Our own desire to believe that we’re better than everyone else. Our own willingness to take things that are not ours, and keep things we did not earn. Our profound bent to lie about ourselves. Our willingness to do violence to get what we want. Our willingness to turn away when violence is done to others, because it benefits us.

As Christians, we must forcefully, publicly name and repudiate these things. We must be honest about how long a history they have and how deep they go. And about how much work it will take to eradicate them.

And we must do that work.

So will you discard the Old Testament from your Bible?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on January 15, 2021, 01:03:23 pm
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/35/6a/8b356a113153c2dac35ab9b66d2b5c39.jpg)

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@PastorJohnHagee
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May 17, 2018
Supporting Israel is not a political issue, it's a Bible issue. It is not possible to say, "I believe the Bible" and not support Israel and the Jewish people.
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Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 19, 2021, 11:00:05 pm
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/mary-schmich/ct-met-schmich-father-bill-speaks-out-20210116-lcj44df3pzc4znahnslt3ot6em-story.html

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Column: A Catholic pastor speaks out about Trump. Some parishioners walk out.
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“As President Trump has lied about so many things,” he told the congregation, “I have never spoken out, and fear we are teaching the young that truth and facts do not matter.”

By Corcoran’s count, a dozen people walked out of Mass that morning. Nearly two dozen more at the 9:30 Mass. “Probably 30,” he estimates, at the 11:30.

Each time he was startled. Saddened. “Awful,” is how he described it later.

And each time he knew he was doing what he had to do.
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After he spoke out, Corcoran received calls and emails from several upset parishioners. Some said they come to church to find peace and instead they’d found confrontation.

I have long warned that even in moderate churches the congregations tend to be more rightist than the clergy.

Now imagine how bad it would be if churches were democratic.

If we can see that is a good thing that churches are not democratic, why is it harder to see that states should not be democratic either?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on January 24, 2021, 03:28:06 pm
How Might Joe Biden’s Catholic Faith Guide His Presidency? | Sunday TODAY
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When Joe Biden was inaugurated on Wednesday, he became the second Catholic president in American history. He has spoken openly about his faith, but how does it line up with his policy proposals?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmPdoQj40_E
Title: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
Post by: guest5 on January 28, 2021, 12:28:28 pm
It ain't too hard to tell who sits behind that throne aye!?  :D
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/50/60/4a/50604ae88fc3b9a645bef8bd87cdd113.jpg)
(https://brandonacox.com/wp-content/uploads/4787331810_e86ab6a8d2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 31, 2021, 09:41:23 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hg8VH9QU5s
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 02, 2021, 09:21:56 pm
No one should be surprised:

https://www.fox47news.com/neighborhoods/charlotte-eaton-rapids/charlotte-church-identified-as-white-nationalist-group-by-southern-poverty-law-center

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CHARLOTTE, Mich. — Christ the King Reformed Church in Charlotte was identified as a white nationalist group in an annual report released Monday by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Pastor Bret McAtee declined to comment on the report.

In a blog post from July, McAtee wrote that, when comparing races, the white race is "without dispute superior.” He went on to describe early indigenous groups as "cannibals" and African people brought over during the Atlantic slave trade as "savage."
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 03, 2021, 02:20:28 pm
Rightists pretending to be Christians are really coming out of the woodwork these days:

https://twitter.com/david_bumg/status/1356411936880123909

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtLxdhDXAAEZJn9?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on February 03, 2021, 08:27:55 pm
Check out this insane ignorant gibberish from Hagee:

John Hagee, the Scofield Bible, and the Israel Delusion
https://soulrefuge.org/archives/2902

Keep in mind, Christian Zionism would never have been possible with out Saul the Pharisee aka Paul the Apostle and the Judeo-Greco-"Christianity" of Rome.

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Among the sayings & discourses imputed to him by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence: and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth; charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. I separate therefore the gold from the dross; restore to him the former, & leave the latter to the stupidity of some, and roguery of others of his disciples. of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus. these palpable interpolations and falsifications of his doctrines led me to try to sift them apart." — Thomas Jefferson to William Short, April 13, 1820
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To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other.”
― Thomas Jefferson, The Jefferson Bible
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 10, 2021, 11:41:12 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/romanians-demand-end-immersing-babies-174846203.html

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According to reports, the priest completely immersed the six-week-old boy, who was also born prematurely, during the service, but halted when the baby stopped crying and started to turn blue around the lips. Despite being rushed to hospital, the child died the next day while in intensive care.

Police have launched a criminal investigation.
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Concerns have been raised about the practice of dunking babies in other countries with Orthodox populations such as Cyprus and Russia after videos surfaced of children being fully and violently immersed in water despite screaming with distress.

Traditionalists argue that despite the dangers of dunking, most children escape unharmed from the practice.

Archbishop Teodosie Petrescu, an influential cleric from the conservative wing of the Romanian Orthodox Church, has rejected calls for changes to the baptism tradition.

“There’s no way for the ritual to change,” said Archbishop Petrescu. “These canons of faith will be available for another thousand years. That is why we will not change. We’re not intimidated.”

The archbishop also told the television broadcaster Antena3 that he prefers to baptise babies in cold water because it apparently “sharpens” their spirituality and is good for their health.

This is Petrescu:

(https://alchetron.com/cdn/teodosie-petrescu-81081d97-daa5-4b54-a16f-9a8a89b98a1-resize-750.jpg)

Instead of hoping he will change his mind, how about we just destroy the entire Orthodox Church?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on February 11, 2021, 10:49:43 pm
Is This Video of a Baby Being Violently Dunked in Water Real?
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A video showing an apparent "violent baptism" may appear shocking to some viewers, but the enthusiastic religious practice isn't unheard of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqwGUkLEVus&feature=emb_title
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We have not been able to track down the specifics of this particular video. However, it isn’t uncommon for babies to be dunked underwater (although perhaps not this aggressively) during the baptismal process in certain regions of the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTIgIGtopY&feature=emb_title

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/baby-dunking-video/
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on March 06, 2021, 01:31:47 am
Judeo-Christian Evangelists:  >:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZPYBIKdbhw

Good riddance to both of them then!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 08, 2021, 02:05:31 am
You can't make this **** up:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/stewart-allen-clark-trophy-wife-melania-trump-072145728.html

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Twitter Critics Vent After Pastor Presents 'Trophy Wife' Melania Trump As Model Woman
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“Men want their wives to look good at home, and in public. Can I get an amen?” Pastor Stewart Allen-Clark of First General Baptist Church in Malden, Missouri, told the women in his church during a 20-minute sermon last month that was posted on Facebook.

Allen-Clark warned women to pay attention to their looks so their husbands won’t stray. Women should avoid wearing flip flops and sweatpants, take care with makeup and hairdos and watch their weight, Allen-Clark said.

“I’m not saying every woman can be the epic, the epic trophy wife of all time, like Melania Trump. I’m not saying that at all,” Allen-Clark said as he called up an image of the former first lady on the screen behind him. “Most women can’t be trophy wives, but you know like her, maybe you’re a participation trophy.”

The actual model woman according to Jesus:

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And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And He called unto Him His disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you,That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living. –Gospel of Mark, 12:42-44

Melania:

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/K0sS8ptYeo5Lt6Uj8uszghuKdxk=/0x0:2550x1700/1200x800/filters:focal(1071x646:1479x1054)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/60140131/My_Post__21_.1529608579.jpg)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 12, 2021, 11:08:32 pm
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gop-congressman-gender-equality-act-b1807741.html

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Anger as Florida lawmaker Greg Steube says transgender people ‘offend’ God
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The GOP member told the House he would begin his speech by giving them the “truth” as he read from Deuteronomy 22:5 in the Bible.

“A woman must not wear men’s clothing nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this,” he read.

Tanakh again! In other words, transgender people offend Yahweh.

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“When men or women claim to be able to choose their own sexual identity, they’re making a statement that God did not know what he was doing when he created them.”

Yahweh knew exactly what he was going (keeping us imprisoned in the material world). We simply disagree with it.

To repeat from earlier in this topic:

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Judaism on gender:

"Male and female created He them." - Tanakh

Christianity on gender:

"When you make the male and the female one, so that the male will not be male nor the female female ... then will you enter the Kingdom.” - Jesus

Considering transgenderism offensive really seems to be unique to the Judaic worldview. Everyone else at most considers it funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAtUYZp7zbg
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on March 12, 2021, 11:20:37 pm
If you had the option to pick one out of two soldiers to sit in a trench with you on a battlefield which one would you pick:
Soldier 1: A masculine man who cannot hit the side of a barn with his rifle to save his life.
Soldier 2: A transgender sharp-shooter who only misses 1 out of 10 times with their rifle.

Which would you pick? The choice is obvious for the sane and noble isn't it?

That is how dumb many Judeo-Westerners actually are when it comes to transgender identity, and identity in general....
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on March 13, 2021, 03:29:28 pm
The rise of self-proclaimed Christian prophets
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Self-proclaimed Christian prophets saw a surge in popularity during the Trump administration. Ruth Graham, a national correspondent for The New York Times covering religion, faith, and values, joins CBSN to discuss her reporting on the theological debate over these so-called prophets and the impact they are having on American society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM2IzzDKy7I
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 28, 2021, 12:44:49 am
Busted!

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7vxpd/atlanta-shooting-suspects-church-bashed-radical-feminism-in-deleted-sermons

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Atlanta Shooting Suspect’s Church Bashed ‘Radical Feminism’ in Deleted Sermons
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In recorded sermons that have since been deleted from the church’s web site, lead pastor Jerry Dockery decried “radical feminism” and criticized recent shifts in gender roles as the work of Satan.

“Radical feminism has engulfed our culture like a tsunami,” Dockery told his congregation on September 20, 2020. “We’re now striving for gender neutrality, for gender fluidity, you name it. It’s just gender whatever-you-want. And I would say to you that this is a blatant, a blatant—I will say it one more time—a blatant guidance, direction and strategy of Satan to oppose and usurp the authority of God.”

Dockery in effect claims that Jesus is "Satan" (see Jesus' teachings on gender neutrality posted earlier in the topic). Dockery is not wrong. Etymologically:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan#Historical_development

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The original Hebrew term śāṭān (Hebrew: שָּׂטָן‎) is a generic noun meaning "accuser" or "adversary",[7][8]

Given that Dockery's "God" is Yahweh (the actual Devil), Jesus is of course an avatar of Yahweh's recurring accuser/adversary Lucifer.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 29, 2021, 03:36:04 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93z7n7VqgP0

(See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/voter-suppression/ )

But note that, including by Hyde-Smith's own admission (1:24), the Sabbath comes from Exodus (ie. the Tanakh), not from Jesus. In contrast, Jesus was known for disregarding the Sabbath:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healing_the_paralytic_at_Bethesda

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John's Gospel account describes how Jesus, visiting Jerusalem for a Jewish feast (John 5:1), encounters one of the disabled people who used to lie here, a man who had been paralysed for thirty-eight years. Jesus asks the man if he wants to get well. The man explains that he is unable to enter the water, because he has no one to help him in and others go down ahead of him. Jesus tells him to pick up his bed or mat and walk; the man is instantly cured and is able to do so.

The Gospel then explains that this healing took place on the Sabbath, and the local Jews told the cured man that the Law forbade him to carry his mat on this day. He tells them that he had been told to do so by the man who had healed him. They ask him who this healer was but he is unable to tell them because Jesus had slipped away into the crowd.

Later, Jesus finds the man in the Temple, and tells him not to sin again, so that nothing worse happens to him. The man goes away and tells the Jewish people that it was Jesus who had made him well (John 5:15). The Gospel account explains that the Jews began to persecute Jesus because he was healing on the Sabbath.

So it is clear which side Hyde-Smith is on. And indeed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Hyde-Smith#Political_positions

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Foreign policy
In August 2018, Hyde-Smith co-sponsored the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (s. 720), which would make it a federal crime for Americans to encourage or participate in boycotts against Israel and Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank if protesting actions by the Israeli government.[67][68]
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Confederate States of America
In 2007, Hyde-Smith voted for a resolution that praised a Confederate States Army soldier for his efforts to "defend his homeland".[80] During her first term in the Mississippi Senate, she proposed renaming a state highway after Confederate President Jefferson Davis, but the legislation did not pass.[81] In 2014, Hyde-Smith posted a photo of herself at Davis's home, Beauvoir, wearing a Confederate cap and carrying a rifle, with the caption "Mississippi history at its best!"[80]

Accusations of anti-Black racism and white supremacy
During her 2018 campaign for Senate, Hyde-Smith was accused of holding white supremacist sentiments because of her support for the Confederate States of America and for saying, "If he invited me to a public hanging, I’d be on the front row" in a state known for lynchings. She refused to apologize.[82][83]

Hyde-Smith is both anti-Christian and anti-American. And of course:

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2021 United States Electoral College vote count and storming of the Capitol
On January 6, 2021, Hyde-Smith was participating in the 2021 United States Electoral College vote count debate about the Arizona election when Trump supporters stormed the United States Capitol. Led by Ted Cruz[citation needed], Hyde-Smith joined four other senators to vote to object to the certification of Arizona's electoral votes.[49] She and other senators were removed from the Senate floor to an undisclosed location shortly after the Capitol was breached. Her staff had to shelter in her office.[50] During the attack, Hyde-Smith tweeted, "Whatever frustrations any American may have, violence & destruction in the US Capitol, the seat of our democratic government, is unacceptable."[51] She later said she was scared and called the rioters "criminals who need to be prosecuted."[52]

After the Capitol was secure and Congress returned to session, Hyde-Smith objected to Pennsylvania's electoral votes, as led by Josh Hawley.[53] She said she based her decision on "the erosion of integrity of the electoral process." She also said her constituents "do not believe the presidential election was constitutional and cannot accept the Electoral College decision." Her decision was in contrast to fellow Mississippi senator Roger Wicker, who supported certifying the election.[54] The Jackson Free Press called on Hyde-Smith to "recant or resign" for objecting to the certification.[55]

In response to the attack on the Capitol, Hyde-Smith did not support invoking the Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution to remove Trump from office for his role in the attack. She also said she would not vote to convict Trump in an impeachment trial.[56]

(Incidentally, note Hyde-Smith's face shape.....)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on March 29, 2021, 08:59:00 pm
It continues to boggle my mind daily that so many anti-American types are allowed in the halls of the U.S. government or anywhere close to the apparatus of state. I look forward to the day Americans begin persecuting all the anti-American and un-American types dwelling among them.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on April 01, 2021, 05:30:50 am
The village in Syria that speaks Jesus's tongue:
https://youtu.be/e50qiS-IjJM

How can you be racist yet still claim to be "Christian"?
Title: Re: Medical decolonization
Post by: guest5 on April 04, 2021, 09:39:25 pm
The only g-d that rejects transgender people is Yahweh.

Arkansas Passes HATEFUL Anti-LGBT Medical Bill
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Arkansas has passed a bill that would allow medical professionals the ability to deny transgender people treatment based on religious objections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaV62Pw1nBo
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 06, 2021, 12:47:17 am
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sen-raphael-warnock-deletes-easter-150618893.html

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Reverend Raphael Warnock, the newly elected Democrat senator from Georgia, deleted an Easter tweet from his account after receiving significant backlash online.

“The meaning of Easter is more transcendent than the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Whether you are Christian or not, through a commitment to helping others we are able to save ourselves,” said the original tweet, posted to his non-government account Sunday and removed later in the evening.
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Conservatives, particularly those on the religious right, quickly descended on the tweet. Jenna Ellis, who served as a lawyer for former president Donald Trump, fumed at the “heresy” of the statement.

“This is a false gospel and heresy. We cannot save ourselves. The absolute truth and only meaning of Easter that matters is the literal, physical resurrection of Jesus Christ, and we must accept Him as Lord and Savior. Read Romans, ‘Reverend’ Warnock. You are a false teacher,” she wrote.

Benjamin Watson, a Christian author, also called the sentiment “heresy.”

“Easter is not a story for moral motivation toward good works. The resurrection reveals our INABILITY to save ourselves in this life or the next, proving Jesus alone holds that power. Urging people to help others need not come at the expense of doctrine. To do so is heresy,” he tweeted.

So, who is correct?

“If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.” - Jesus

Warnock is correct. But Warnock himself, by deleting his tweet, failed to bring forth what is within him.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on April 08, 2021, 10:06:46 pm
In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace
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The religious landscape of the United States continues to change at a rapid clip. In Pew Research Center telephone surveys conducted in 2018 and 2019, 65% of American adults describe themselves as Christians when asked about their religion, down 12 percentage points over the past decade. Meanwhile, the religiously unaffiliated share of the population, consisting of people who describe their religious identity as atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular,” now stands at 26%, up from 17% in 2009.

Both Protestantism and Catholicism are experiencing losses of population share. Currently, 43% of U.S. adults identify with Protestantism, down from 51% in 2009. And one-in-five adults (20%) are Catholic, down from 23% in 2009. Meanwhile, all subsets of the religiously unaffiliated population – a group also known as religious “nones” – have seen their numbers swell. Self-described atheists now account for 4% of U.S. adults, up modestly but significantly from 2% in 2009; agnostics make up 5% of U.S. adults, up from 3% a decade ago; and 17% of Americans now describe their religion as “nothing in particular,” up from 12% in 2009. Members of non-Christian religions also have grown modestly as a share of the adult population.
https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/
(https://www.pewforum.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2019/10/PF_10.17.19_rdd_update-00-020.png?resize=310,643)

That is good news! At the least Christian-Zionism will die right along with Judeo-Christianity in the near future if these trends continue in America....

(https://www.pewforum.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2019/10/PF_10.17.19_rdd.update.new3_.png?resize=640,789)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on April 22, 2021, 07:30:13 pm
The Cult I Grew Up In | British Israelism Debunked
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I grew up in the Worldwide Church of God cult, founded by Herbert W. Armstrong. In this video, I discuss one of the cult's main beliefs - British Israelism - and why it is wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaKpI7tpryc

So, what does he convert to after he leaves the cult of British Israelism? Why, none other than "progressive Judaism".

Brilliant.  :D

He left a cult to join a tribe. In truth he has never left Judaism....
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 03, 2021, 12:56:35 am
https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggars-judaism-156530/

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The Duggars are super religious and aggressively Christian, but fans have noticed several ways that they use Judaism in their lives, from naming their kids to picking jewelry. We’ve done some digging and discovered why the fundamentalist family is so obsessed with Jewish stuff.

There are lots of connections to the Jewish faith to be found in the Duggar fam, the first of all is how much time they’ve spent in Israel. Joy-Anna and Austin went on their honeymoon there, while Derick studied there while courting Jill. As a matter of fact, the entire family went to Jerusalem for their grandmother’s 70th birthday in 2011.
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When it comes to baby names, the Duggars have also been heavily influenced by Judaism, with Jill and Derick even naming one of their sons Israel. During the birth announcement video, Derick wore an “Israel Defense Force” t-shirt. Plus, Jim Bob and Michelle originally planned to name their son Jackson “Judah Benjamin,” which is also the name of the first Jewish-American man to reach a high position in the American government. It is also a combination of the names of two tribes of Israel. Plus, Jordyn-Grace’s middle name is Makiya, which is the last name of a man who wrote a book about Jerusalem.

Then there’s the fact that many of the girls wear Star of David jewelry. Both Jessa and Jill have been spotted with the six-pointed star, which had fans wondering how that relates to their own religion. Some have even gone so far as to speculate that the Duggars used to be Jewish. However, the real answer is much simpler.

“They believe Jews are special to God because they were the ‘original messengers,’ and that it’s God’s will that Israel should belong to the Jews,” explained a fan on reddit.

Well, it was always kind of obvious that they followed the Old Testament rather than Jesus' teachings. Guess how I can tell:

(https://tv-fanatic-res.cloudinary.com/iu/s--4I-7z-9---/t_full/cs_srgb,f_auto,fl_strip_profile.lossy,q_auto:420/v1416224478/19-kids-and-counting-cast-picture.jpg)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on May 04, 2021, 12:40:02 am
Poster tribe\family for advancing the idea of state control over reproduction. I cannot believe they are actually proud of this, but then again they are Western Judeo-Christians so I suppose we should not be that surprised.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 19, 2021, 03:23:57 am
https://www.yahoo.com/news/purity-culture-anti-asian-racism-083021561.html

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K. Christine Pae, chair of the department of religion at Denison University in Ohio, said some structures of racialized misogyny date to the longstanding hierarchical dualism between body and spirit in the European church. Anything associated with the body was seen as sinful, and women and people of color were viewed as being closer to the body. Because “sexuality is still also associated with Christian imagination of sin, especially original sin,” Pae said, women of color were seen as exceptionally sexual.

She said the Western church has long held up two images of women — the Virgin/**** dichotomy. The first is the sexually pure Virgin Mary, usually associated with white women, which became the “number one reality that every woman thought they should pursue,” Pae said, in contrast to the “**** woman, the promiscuous woman,” often depicted also as a foreign woman throughout the Bible, from the Book of Hosea to Revelation.

Meanwhile, back in reality:

(https://contexts.org/files/2019/11/Screen-Shot-2019-11-11-at-7.39.19-PM.png)

The body vs spirit dualism is fine (and in fact of Gnostic origin). The problem is "white" projection of their own sex mania onto everyone else.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-infidelity/
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on May 19, 2021, 11:18:25 pm
Beautiful sentence by the way:
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The problem is "white" projection of their own sex mania onto everyone else.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 24, 2021, 11:39:03 pm
Our enemies continue to fail to understand the difference between Judaism and Christianity:

https://vdare.com/posts/replacement-migration-in-the-bible

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Debating what the Bible "really" means about this or that political issue is a hopeless task, as there are countless interpretations. Nonetheless, in the Old Testament, there's a fairly direct reference to Replacement Migration as divine punishment for breaking the divine law. The power and prosperity of the nation are directly linked to following the commandments.

So for example, in Deuteronomy 28:1 (New International Version), we read: "If you fully obey the Lord your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations on earth."

However, in Deuteronomy 28: 43-44, we read that if a people does not obey the divine law: "The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. They will lend to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, but you will be the tail."

All this is in the midst of other curses and punishments that God will impose on the nation that won't obey His laws. The point is that the nation's temporal power in this world, in this life, is to serve as an example to others. In fact, national destruction of this kind is intended to be "a sign and a wonder to you and your descendants forever."

This not only is implicit recognition that the Bible recognizes that different nations and peoples exist and that their existence is divinely ordained, but that dispossession is regarded as one of the worst punishments that can befall a people.

This is Judaism.

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It's thus strange to hear apparently Christian leaders preach a creed which implies Americans (and Westerners generally) have a kind of moral duty to replace and destroy themselves. What exactly are they basing this on?

Jesus' teachings, perhaps?

“Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me. … Whatever you did not do for one of the least of these [my brothers], you did not do for me.” - Jesus
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 30, 2021, 02:04:19 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIo6cozswFQ

7:27-7:42
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on June 06, 2021, 08:48:34 pm
German Cardinal’s resignation offer sends shockwaves through the Catholic Church
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Germany's most senior cleric has offered his resignation to Pope Francis. Munich's Cardinal Reinhard Marx said that he wanted to share responsibility for what he called the "catastrophe of sexual abuse" by members of the Catholic church. Marx has long been a leading voice in the call for church reforms. Those calls have been growing louder as sex abuse investigations revealed a decades-long cover-up by the clergy.

Marx said investigations and reports of the past 10 years showed him there had not only been "a lot of personal failure and administrative errors," but "also institutional and systemic failure" within the Catholic Church.

Recent discussions had shown "that some in the church do not want to acknowledge this element of co-responsibility and thus also complicity of the institution and are therefore opposed to any reform and renewal dialogue in connection with the abuse crisis," he wrote in a letter to the pope dated May 21 and published on Friday by his archdiocese in Munich.

The archdiocese said in its press release on the issue that Pope Francis had since responded to Cardinal Marx, telling him that he could make the letter public, and  to remain in his role until he received an answer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REsw6mmm3II

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The Catholic Church is facing a dead end....
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 06, 2021, 10:16:14 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/news/pope-calls-reconciliation-healing-over-104737972.html

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Pope says Canada school discovery painful, but stops short of apology
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Indigenous leaders and school survivors said the Church needed to do much more.

"We're all pained and saddened. Who isn't?" said Bobby Cameron, chief of the Federation of Sovereign Indigenous Nations in Saskatchewan.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest5 on June 08, 2021, 10:40:07 pm
Canadian PM Trudeau blasts Catholic Church after discovery of mass grave
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Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has criticised the Catholic Church after the discovery of the remains of 215 children under a former residential school but has yet to address the government’s role in creating the notorious school system.
#Canada #CatholicChurch #Kamloop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOajIjOvwGU
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 12, 2021, 11:49:40 pm
Someone who understands what I have been saying about false "apologies" by bullies:

https://twitter.com/BethMooreLPM/status/1403697131421061129

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I hear it said, “How many times are we going to have to repent (of racism, injustice, of abuses, misuses of power, etc) We’ve already done that!” This is where we don’t get it. Repentance is not just words. Not even sincere, tearful words. It’s a change of mind that results in a transformed attitude that reflects the mind of Christ Jesus (Phil 2) resulting in the fruit of the Spirit. We are confusing repentance with saying I’m sorry then still evidencing the same attitudes whether blatantly or subtly. People don’t believe we repented because they don’t see we’ve changed. They don’t believe we’ve changed because they see the same old fruit & it’s plastic. It’s the fruit of the flesh & not of the Spirit (see both in Gal 5). This isn’t rocket science. People don’t accept that repentance was sincere when they still see evidences of the same old sins, patterns, pride and self protections rather than the sacrificial love of Christ in us. They don’t believe us because we have lied repeatedly. We are betting our futures on people being gullible. And it turns out that fewer and fewer are falling for it. All this could change. It WOULD change with true repentance. It will change with “Come what may, no matter what happens to me, my position, job, network or reputation, I’m going with Christ on this because that was wrong & this is what is right & TRUE. I entrust my future to Jesus alone.”

I remember like yesterday the day my abuser came to me and begrudgingly, as if he were the victim, told me in very general terms that he was sorry. And at the end of his short speech, he paused a moment & with pinched face said, “And that’s the last I ever want to talk about it.” And that moment I knew he was only sorry he got caught. I escorted him to the door.

Words mean nothing. Humility speaks. Facing the damage speaks. Taking responsibility speaks. Being willing to do whatever it takes to make it right, these are things that speak.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 17, 2021, 11:49:44 pm
"Christian" again misused by rightists as a synonym for "white":

https://www.yahoo.com/news/school-lessons-black-lives-matter-172417999.html

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School lessons on Black Lives Matter are anti-Christian, parents say in PA lawsuit

The smackdown:

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Rev. Gregory Edwards, senior pastor of Resurrected Life Community Church in Allentown, told The Morning Call that true Christians should not take offense to the school’s teachings.

“The only ‘Christians’ offended by teaching subjects or topics that will dismantle the sin of racism and the scourge of white supremacy from public schools or any other institutions or systems are those who have weaponized their faith in order to protect an idolatrous worldview of whiteness, privilege and white supremacy,” Edwards told the publication.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest55 on August 27, 2021, 01:58:53 pm
The SICKENING Effect Of The PROSPERITY GOSPEL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QxtS7V6BrE

Comments:
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I’m an atheist but the modern evangelical church in America looks a look like the work of the devil.
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The only people made prosperous by the “prosperity gospel” are the hucksters who peddle it!
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The Protestant Work Ethic is seen in the Amish who saw the evils of industrial capitalism, not in a hedge fund manager who believes his gambling is a miracle of Supply Side Jesus.
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American Christianity is the strangest thing I ever seen

Judeo-Greco-Christian culture is schizophrenic to it's core.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: Zea_mays on September 02, 2021, 11:41:51 am
Some information about left-leaning trends in mainstream Christianity.

In particular, I've heard many Methodists and Seventh-day Adventists to this day are vegetarian/vegan.

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Various Church leaders have recommended vegetarianism, including John Wesley (founder of the Methodist Church), William and Catherine Booth (founders of The Salvation Army), William Cowherd from the Bible Christian Church and Ellen G. White from the Seventh-day Adventists.[7][8][9][10] Cowherd, who founded the Bible Christian Church in 1809, helped to establish the world's first Vegetarian Society in 1847.[11]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism

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An estimated 35% of Adventists practice vegetarianism or veganism, according to a 2002 worldwide survey of local church leaders.[56][57]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_Church#Health_and_diet


Why aren't all Christians vegans? Oh yeah, the usual suspect:

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Vegetarianism appears to have been a point of contention within some early Christian circles, notably in Rome. Within the Bible's New Testament, the Apostle Paul states that people of "weak faith" "eat only vegetables",[Romans 14:1–4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism#New_Testament_2

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In the 4th Century some Jewish Christian groups maintained that Jesus was himself a vegetarian. Epiphanius quotes the Gospel of the Ebionites where Jesus has a confrontation with the high priest. Jesus chastises the leadership saying, "I am come to end the sacrifices and feasts of blood; and if ye cease not offering and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath of God shall not cease from you; even as it came to your fathers in the wilderness, who lusted for flesh, and did sate to their content, and were filled with rottenness, and the plague consumed them."[53]

According to Lightfoot, "the Christianized Essennes […] condemned the slaughter of victims on grounds very different from those alleged in the Epistle of Hebrews, not because they have been superseded by the Atonement, but because they are in their very nature repulsive to God; not because they have ceased to be right, but because they never were right from the beginning".[32]

Other early Christian historical documents observe that many influential Christians during the formative centuries of Christianity were vegetarian, though certainly not all. The Clementine homilies, a second-century work purportedly based on the teachings of the Apostle Peter, states, "The unnatural eating of flesh meats is as polluting as the heathen worship of devils, with its sacrifices and its impure feasts, through participation in it a man becomes a fellow eater with devils."[54][citation needed] While the Didascalia does not itself endorse vegetarianism, it records a group of individuals who believe they "should not eat flesh, and said that a man must not eat anything that has a soul in it."[55]

Although early Christian vegetarianism appears to have been downplayed in favor of more "modern" Christian culture, the practice of vegetarianism appears to have been very widespread in early Christianity, both in the leadership and among the laity.[3] Origen's work Contra Celsum quotes Celsus commenting vegetarian practices among Christians he had contact with.[56]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism#Early_Christianity


Here's 90sRetroFan in a previous life:

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According to Harper's New Monthly Magazine, toward the end of his career he was present when an itinerant missionary was exhorting an open-air congregation in Mansfield, Ohio. The sermon was long and severe on the topic of extravagance, because the pioneers were buying such indulgences as calico and imported tea. "Where now is there a man who, like the primitive Christians, is traveling to heaven barefooted and clad in coarse raiment?" the preacher repeatedly asked until Johnny Appleseed, his endurance worn out, walked up to the preacher, put his bare foot on the stump that had served as a podium, and said, "Here's your primitive Christian!" The flummoxed sermonizer dismissed the congregation.[11]
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He preached the gospel as he traveled, and during his travels he converted many Native Americans, whom he admired. The Native Americans regarded him as someone who had been touched by the Great Spirit, and even hostile tribes left him strictly alone.[13]

He cared very deeply about animals, including insects. Henry Howe visited all the counties in Ohio in the early nineteenth century and collected several stories from the 1830s, when Johnny Appleseed was still alive:[14]

    One cool autumnal night, while lying by his camp-fire in the woods, he observed that the mosquitoes flew in the blaze and were burned. Johnny, who wore on his head a tin utensil which answered both as a cap and a mush pot, filled it with water and quenched the fire, and afterwards remarked, "God forbid that I should build a fire for my comfort, that should be the means of destroying any of His creatures." Another time, he allegedly made a camp-fire in a snowstorm at the end of a hollow log in which he intended to pass the night but found it occupied by a bear and cubs, so he removed his fire to the other end and slept on the snow in the open air, rather than disturb the bear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Appleseed#Life

Johnny Appleseed was a Swedenborgian, and so was socialist Helen Keller. Religion was an important part of her writing. This is notable since she was most politically active during the first decades of the 1900s, therefore opposing the False Left socialists who supported the anti-religious policies of the Bolsheviks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Keller#Political_activities

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Early missionaries also traveled to parts of Africa. Swedenborg believed that the "African race" was "in greater enlightenment than others on this earth, since they are such that they think more 'interiorly', and so receive truths and acknowledge them."[8] African enlightenment was considered a liberal concept at the time, and Swedenborgians accepted freed African converts in their homes as early as 1790. Several Swedenborgians were also abolitionists.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Church_(Swedenborgian)

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The Pew Research Center’s latest polls released Tuesday reveal a reality that is sure to shock many: a majority of Christians in the United States support LGBTQ acceptance in our society.

That’s right, 54 percent of all American Christians as of 2014 believe that sexual and gender minorities should be accepted and normalized in American society.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christians-lgbt_b_8479686

Although:

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None of America's 100 largest churches are LGBT-affirming and almost all of them are led by white men, according to ChurchClarity.org, an organization that reports churches' LGBT policies and rates congregations based on their level of clarity.

Just one of the U.S.'s largest churches has a female pastor and 93 percent of the churches are led by a white pastor, according to the site, which collected data from churches and represents over 1.1 million Evangelicals in America.
https://www.newsweek.com/americas-100-largest-churches-are-anti-lgbt-and-led-white-men-773017

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_affirming_LGBT_people

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Other articles of interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Christianity
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 14, 2021, 10:37:38 pm
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/09/13/woke-church-of-england-bishops-urge-govt-not-turn-back-illegal-migrant-boats/

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Twelve bishops at the increasingly woke Church of England have penned an open letter to the government urging them not to turn back illegal migrant boats coming from safe, EU member-state France, published by the leftist Guardian.

The 12 senior clergymen, who described themselves as “bishops within the Church of England with a particular oversight of asylum and refugee issues” — a focus that comes amid the institution currently experiencing a collapse in church attendance and belief — said they were “deeply concerned about the government’s approach to migrant crossings of the Channel.”

The Bishop of Bristol, Bishop of Chelmsford, Bishop of Croydon, Bishop of Bradwell, Bishop of Dover, Bishop of Durham, Bishop of Gloucester, Bishop of London, Bishop of Manchester, Bishop of Southwark, Bishop of Wakefield, and the Right Reverend David Hamid, Suffragan Bishop in Europe, claimed that the “new ‘turn back’ policy, which will see boats forcibly returned to France… raises significant moral concerns,” arguing it “starkly increases the risks at sea and endangers the lives of those attempting the crossing.”
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The woke bishops also alleged in their letter that the Nationality and Borders Bill the government is putting before Parliament “would criminalise not only attempts to cross the border irregularly” — i.e. illegally — “nor even simply people-smuggling, but even those who take part in the rescue of boats in distress at sea.”

They claimed that “This would require those who see asylum seekers at risk to choose between ignoring a moral imperative (also established in maritime law) to assist them, or to risk prosecution and imprisonment,” arguing that this was the equivalent to “criminalisation of the Good Samaritan who did not pass by on the other side, and an affront to justice to put the saving of lives under any sort of legal penalty.”

In short, rightists want to preserve Western civilization by killing Christianity. This reveals the fundamental incompatibility of the two. On this I am in academic agreement with our New Right enemies:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/social-decolonization/msg8242/#msg8242
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest55 on September 16, 2021, 11:33:08 am
Escaping Jehovah's Witnesses: Inside the dangerous world of a brutal religion
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Former Jehovah's Witnesses are fighting back against a religion that failed them. They know they'll lose their loved ones for doing so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDwHdj7plWo

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/gnosticism/?message=8693
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest55 on September 25, 2021, 06:20:15 pm
How Conservatives Co-Opted Christianity
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If you live in the United States, odds are you've encountered the distinctly American "conservative christian." It seems that these people, despite their fierce devotion to their faith, have no idea what the Bible actually calls them to do. In this episode, we're taking a look at how christianity was adopted and perverted by the American political Right, and how it differs from the christianity of the early church.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmPMcWAuuVo

Conservative Pharisees co-opted Christianity over 2000 years ago creating Judeo-Christianity. 
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: Zea_mays on October 06, 2021, 01:58:32 pm
Judeo-Christian anti-vegetarianism 2000 years later:

(https://i.redd.it/xiqc3cfqdzo71.jpg)

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“When you go to your favorite fast food restaurant, you are going to be eating a fake hamburger,” Wiles said. “You’re going to go to the grocery store and buy a pound of fake hamburger or a fake steak, and you won’t know that it was grown in some big corporation’s laboratory. This is the nightmare world that they are taking us into. They’re changing God’s creation. Why? Because they want to be God.”

“God is an environmentalist,” Wiles continued. “He takes this very seriously. He created this planet, he created the universe and he’s watching these Luciferians destroy this planet, destroy the animal kingdom, destroy the plant kingdom, change human DNA. Why? They want to change human DNA so that you can’t be born again. That’s where they’re going with this, to change the DNA of humans so it will be impossible for a human to be born again. They want to create a race of soulless creatures on this planet.”
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-wiles-plant-based-meat-alternatives-are-a-satanic-plot-to-create-a-race-of-soulless-creatures/
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: christianbethel on October 06, 2021, 02:44:50 pm
 XD
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: SirGalahad on October 06, 2021, 06:58:21 pm
Little did he know, that veggie burgers actually ARE a Luciferian plot. The catch is that his hamburgers are satanic  ;)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest55 on October 07, 2021, 07:41:39 pm
Lost Christianities
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All modern Christian sects are descended from the early "proto-Orthodox" Christians who successfully defined their doctrines and practices as correct.  John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place reviews the many early Christianities that lost out, including Jewish Christians who argued for the continued relevance of Mosaic Law and Gnostic Christians who rejected the Hebrew Bible altogether.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwR0_vt28uU

(Have not listened to this myself yet...).

How can one be considered a "Christian" if they are following Jewish laws? Even the New Testament tells you this is wrong in Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other, Ye cannot serve God and mammon.".

Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 07, 2021, 09:28:29 pm
Cawthorn surely did not get the memo:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/5/2056056/-Rep-Madison-Cawthorn-posts-clip-calling-for-holy-war-Twitter-mocks-him

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he referenced his botched knowledge of religion to call on Christians to declare a holy war.

“Look back at the Old Testament. Look at David, look at Daniel, look at Esther, look at all of these people who influenced the governments of their day to uphold Christian principles.
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The most noteworthy aspect of his clip is his references to religious scriptures. I mean, even one who isn’t Christian knows that no one in the Old Testament was fighting to uphold Christian principles. Christ wasn’t even born at the time of the Old Testament—which is based on the Hebrew Bible, or the Torah.

Whenever rightists say "Christian principles", they mean Judaic principles.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 10, 2021, 09:41:27 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt66XrmAbDo
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 28, 2021, 09:42:30 pm
New Testament Christianity in action:

https://dailywyomingcowboy.com/wyoming-churches-take-in-afghan-refugees-after-the-state-governor-refuses/

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CHURCHES in Wyoming hope to support Afghan refugees to live among them. The churches step in because their state is the only one in the United States that does not have a refugee resettlement program.

Wyoming Episcopal Bishop Rt Revd Paul-Gordon Chandler said he was greatly encouraged by the churches’ desire to “welcome the stranger.”

Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 07, 2021, 01:17:20 pm
The Old Testament vs New Testament conflict is now open:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/were-not-gonna-knocked-down-152049114.html

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'We're not gonna be knocked down': Middletown church under attack by Christian groups
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A Middletown church that proudly flies Black Lives Matter and Pride flags has come under fire from a nationally known evangelical pastor and others on social media.

LifeHouse Church hosted Virgil Walker, executive director of G3 Ministries and co-host of the "Just Thinking" podcast, for a men’s conference in late October. After his visit, he noticed the nearby Church on Main and tweeted a picture of the church’s exterior with the caption “if you're headed to visit a church this morning, and you see this, keep driving. It's not a church.” ::)
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Since then, Church on Main has received messages from other churches and individuals who are upset about them displaying the Pride flag and BLM flag.
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The Rev. Brooke Scott, the church's newly ordained pastor, fears the type of divide that could come as a result of Walker’s tweet.

“I think it just reinforces people’s suspicion of religion,” said Scott. “It’s not a good look for people outside of our communities to see communal conflict. I think it just makes us look divided,” said Scott.

I disagree with Scott. This is what we have been setting up all along:

(https://s2.studylib.net/store/data/010253142_1-e403be618958bcec5e4dd0a47b0fa112.png)

Walker is a rightist. Scott is a False Leftist. Jesus is a True Leftist.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest55 on November 08, 2021, 11:28:34 am
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And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. — Matthew 6:1-34
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If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. — John 15:19

Yahweh's world has always hated the Aryan because only the Aryan can build civilization and only unity among all the living could ever truly threaten Yahweh's\natural selection's power!
See also:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/some-very-compelling-evidence-the-tower-of-babel-was-real/
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: Zea_mays on November 08, 2021, 03:40:39 pm
Epic fail. This Judeo-Christian is so thoroughly Judaized that he doesn't even realize that what rightists call "Christianity" literally is Judeo-Christianity.

(https://i.imgur.com/HgeZ5iv.jpg)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 13, 2021, 08:23:48 pm
Authentic Christian sentiment still exists:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/im-evangelical-pastor-biked-1-132800672.html

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I'm an evangelical pastor, and I biked 1,600 miles along the US-Mexico border. The only border crisis is America's disgusting treatment of migrants.
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There is a crisis at the border, but it is one that puts immigrants - not US citizens - in danger.
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The border is safe unless you are an immigrant. For immigrants and asylum seekers, it is dangerous and even deadly. The only option for entering along the southern border is to cross the Rio Grande River, climb a wall, or trek through a desert. We spoke with immigrants who told us about their experiences nearly dying in the desert of thirst as they tried to make it to the United States. We heard from others who nearly drowned with their children attempting to cross the river. Immigrants have drowned crossing the river in the very same place the 10 governors spewed their lies. We met a woman who fell from the wall and broke her pelvis, and we were just feet away when a man broke his legs from a fall off the wall in El Paso.

Why do these immigrants take such risks? Because they are left with no better options.
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Since 2018, the United States has shut off nearly all asylum claims for people from Central America and more recent COVID-19 restrictions have frozen the asylum process for everyone else. What's more, the roughly 200,000 farm worker visas that are offered each year are nowhere near sufficient to meet the needs of employers in the US or migrants seeking to work.
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due to the "Remain in Mexico" policy - a Trump-era policy that is continuing under President Biden that requires nearly all asylum seekers to await their adjudication in Mexico - tens of thousands of asylum-seekers are living in makeshift camps in Mexico.
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Much of this could be solved with changes to US policy. The US must drastically increase the number of farm worker visas available from 200,000 per year to at least 1 million per year. The shortage of workers in the US demands it. The Biden administration must also immediately put an end to the Trump-era ban on asylum seekers. Once this is done, the asylum adjudication process will need to be overhauled; the US should engage thousands of former judges and magistrates to serve as asylum judges and create a system capable of processing more cases per week. The Biden administration's plan to raise the refugee cap to 125,000 is better than the disastrous 15,000 under the Trump administration, but it does not go far enough. We need to further increase the number of refugees allowed to enter the country.

There is a crisis at the border. It's not a threat to Americans or borderland communities, but it is a desperate gauntlet of life or death for thousands looking to escape violence and build a better life. Immigrants are not the ones to be feared - they need our help.

But will it be listened to?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 21, 2021, 11:21:12 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lynching-preachers-black-pastors-resisted-135720345.html

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Lynching preachers: How black pastors resisted Jim Crow and white pastors incited racial violence

White lynch mobs in America murdered at least 4,467 people between 1883 and 1941, hanging, burning, dismembering, garroting and blowtorching their victims.

Religion was no barrier for these white murderers, as I’ve discovered in my research on Christianity and lynch mobs in the Reconstruction-era South. White preachers incited racial violence, joined the Ku Klux Klan and lynched black people.

Sometimes, the victim was a pastor.

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I.T. Burgess, a preacher in Putnam County, Florida, was hanged in 1894 after being accused of planning to instigate a revolt, according to a May 30, 1894, story in the Atlanta Constitution newspaper. Later that year, in December, the Constitution also reported, Lucius Turner, a preacher near West Point, Georgia, was shot by two brothers for apparently writing an insulting note to their sister.

Ida B. Wells wrote in her 1895 editorial “A Red Record” about Reverend King, a minister in Paris, Texas, who was beaten with a Winchester Rifle and placed on a train out of town. His offense, he said, was being the only person in Lamar County to speak against the horrific 1893 lynching of the handyman Henry Smith.

Jews also lynched Jesus.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 27, 2021, 08:39:40 pm
Contrast:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10343675/Archbishop-Canterbury-use-Christmas-sermon-urge-worshippers-support-refugees.html

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The Archbishop of Canterbury has used his Christmas sermon to preach a message of support to volunteers helping refugees.

The Most Rev Justin Welby preached the sermon at the Christmas Day Eucharist at Canterbury Cathedral at 11am.

He said that the Christmas story of Joseph and Mary searching for shelter demonstrates the need to treat those 'who risk everything to arrive on the beaches' with compassion.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-on-francis-i-pray-for-his-swift-departure-to-heaven-if-he-rejects-go/

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A leading priest in Poland is making headlines after saying from the pulpit that he prays Pope Francis will die if he doesn’t do the will of the Holy Spirit.

Father Edward Staniek, 77, is a patristics scholar and rector of the Major Seminary of the Archdiocese of Kraków from 1993 until 2001. He was ordained to the priesthood in 1965 by Karol Wojtyła, now known as Pope Saint John Paul II, and has authored over 40 theological or catechetical books.
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“In the name of mercy [Francis] calls for parishes and dioceses to open the doors to Islam,” he said. “[This is] a religion that is hostile towards the Gospel and the Church. In religious wars they have killed millions.”

Alluding to the victory of the Polish king Jan Sobieski III over the Ottoman Empire, Staniek said that the Poles understood Islam better than others.

Is Christianity supposed to be about Jesus or about Sobieski?

Welby's face:

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/25/09/52202009-10343675-The_Most_Rev_Justin_Welby_above_will_preach_the_sermon_at_the_Ch-a-19_1640424925889.jpg)

Staniek's face:

(https://www.lifesitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Fr-Edward-Staniek-810x500.jpg)

Jesus' face:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Christ_Icon_Sinai_6th_century.jpg/314px-Christ_Icon_Sinai_6th_century.jpg)

Sobieski's face:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Jan_Sobieski.jpg)

Not a coincidence?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: Zea_mays on December 29, 2021, 07:36:48 pm
Ironically, Francis is a Jesuit:

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Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus (Jesuits), said that "he would take it as a special grace from our Lord to come from Jewish lineage".[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpieza_de_sangre#Society_of_Jesus

Who were extremely Islamophobic throughout their existence:
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In the first 30 years of the Society of Jesus, many Jesuits were conversos. However, an anti-converso faction led to the Decree de genere (1593), which proclaimed that either Jewish or Muslim ancestry, no matter how distant, was an insurmountable impediment for admission to the Society of Jesus - effectively applying the Spanish principle of Limpieza de sangre to Jesuits Europe-wide and world-wide.[19]
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 05, 2022, 08:53:18 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDcmGK0i_G4

The Battle of Jericho is from the Old Testament, so of course the Trumpists like it. It is Judaism, not Christianity.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest55 on January 07, 2022, 10:18:14 pm
I would love for any Westerner, or anyone for that matter, to come and show me where exactly they found Jesus and Mohammed walking around preaching the Hebrew Bible at people? Where is it, can you people please show me!?

So, if Jesus and Mohammed did not walk around preaching the Hebrew Bible at people, and you're supposedly a follower of either Jesus or Mohammed, then why do you people walk around preaching the Hebrew Bible at others whilst believing you are either a Christian or a Muslim? It is all literally this simple and obvious and most people still don't fucken get it!

Jesus wasn't walking around preaching the Hebrew Bible at people because he was too busy flipping tables over in the temple of the Jews! DUH!!!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 09, 2022, 09:58:40 pm
Mainstream journalism slowly catching up:

https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/a-nation-of-christians-is-not-necessarily

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does the mere fact that a majority of a nation’s citizens identify as Christian render a nation a “Christian nation”?

No, it does not. Jesus himself warned that many would claim to be his followers but whose behaviour would be the opposite of what he taught.

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when determining the identity of a people and nation, by their fruits you shall know them.

Exactly.

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then it’s far less clear that America has been a “Christian nation” or that our future looks to be more “post-Christian” than our past. In fact, a more fair reading of our history is one of conflict between Christians, where all too many times one set of believers sought to oppress others and used the power of government in the most profoundly un-Christian of ways.

I would call it one of conflict between followers of Jesus and followers of the Old Testament.

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In Lincoln’s second inaugural address, he famously said of the Union and the Confederacy, “Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other.” That was true most dramatically in the Civil War, but it’s been true in countless conflicts before and since.

But they do not read the same Bible! Followers of Jesus read the Gospels, whereas followers of the Old Testament read the Old Testament. Nor do they pray to the same god: followers of Jesus pray to the true God described by Jesus, whereas followers of the Old Testament pray to Yahweh, the creator of the material world.

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In fact, in the present day, it’s still true. As Republicans and Democrats hate each other with increasing ferocity, both parties utterly depend on the two most churchgoing demographics in America to attain and hold power. While Democrats are more secular than Republicans, it’s a rump party without the black vote, and black voters are among the most devout and churchgoing citizens in the United States of America. Republicans of course depend on the white Evangelical vote, and white Evangelicals attend church and believe in the God of the Bible at rates similar to black Protestants.

So, how do we figure out who are the Old-Testament-following false "Christians"?

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Well, the entire southern United States (the Bible Belt, by the way) was essentially an apartheid sub-state within the larger United States. It brutally oppressed America’s black citizens, including its black Christian citizens. The Tulsa Race Massacre happened in 1921, at the peak of white Protestant power.

That wasn't too difficult, was it?

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So do we want to claim America as a “Christian nation” in that period? Even though there were millions of American Christians who possessed and wielded power to an extent not seen before or since? Where was the justice? Instead a nation of Christian was proving that it could act in affirmatively un-Christian—even anti-Christian—ways.

We should not even call that period of the US "American"! It was still part of Western civilization back then! Western civilization itself rose to power in the Renaissance which happened only after the Crusaders defeated the true Christians (Cathars/Bogomils/etc.). It is not at all a stretch to visualize Yahweh rewarding Westerners with worldly dominance in return for defeating those who threatened him.

The US only becomes American and Christian to the extent that it becomes anti-Western and ultimately anti-Yahweh.

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Here’s a challenging reality: America has become more just—and thus closer to the ideals one would expect of a Christian nation—as white Protestant power has waned. The United States of 2022 is far more just than it was in 1822 or 1922 or 1952 or even 1982.

Yes, and here is why:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/demographic-blueshift/
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: Zea_mays on January 11, 2022, 11:37:30 am
It seems that Alt-Right leaders believe evangelical Protestantism is so thoroughly in their pocket that they are turning to corrupt Catholicism away from its "liberal" trends. No doubt they are also recognizing the importance of Catholicism's foundational connection to Western Civilization, and the powerful upgrade it would make to their pro-Western propaganda. (Why not Eastern Orthodoxy? Well, it's simply not common in the US to begin with.)

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Right-wing Catholic boomlet grows: "Gun Girl" signs up with Mother Church

Ludicrous former Kent State student joins Milo Yiannopoulos, Ali Alexander in embrace of "trad-Cath" religion

In early December, Kaitlin Bennett, the 20-something far-right provocateur known as "Kent State Gun Girl," who has made a career out of recording herself antagonizing liberal college students, issued a new set of self-mythologizing images. In a wordless four-minute video that begins with the sound of a fetal heartbeat, a series of slow-motion shots juxtapose Catholic iconography with a pregnant Bennett caressing her belly in front of altars, sitting in pews, holding rosary beads, and smiling gently at the camera. The final shot pans slowly up Bennett's body — from feet to form-fitting dress to waist-length blond hair — before ascending into an identical pan over a statue of the Virgin Mary.
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In this, Liberty Hangout and its combative star were retracing a path taken by a number of other far-right activists associated with remnants of the alt-right and the movements jockeying to take its place. After Canadian white supremacist personality Faith Goldy was fired from her position at the right-wing outlet Rebel News for appearing on a podcast of the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer, she made a very visible return to Catholicism, and has found a warm welcome in some corners of the Catholic right. A year ago, Stop the Steal founder Ali Alexander made a splashy announcement of his own conversion to the Catholic Church only days before he helped direct a mob of protesters to the U.S. Capitol. Several months later, in mid-March, disgraced former Breitbart writer and alt-right star Milo Yiannopoulos told LifeSiteNews that returning to the Catholic Church had helped him become "ex-gay."

They were joining a number of other far-right figures who have conspicuously intertwined their political advocacy with right-wing Catholicism, including Jack Posobiec, the Pizzagate promoter turned right-wing commentator, and Nicholas Fuentes, the youthful founder of the America First or "groyper" movement, who has built a massive online following. When the various factions of the alt-right decided to gather in Charlottesville in the summer of 2017, they did most of their pre-rally organizing in chat rooms online. One of the most popular, named the "Nick Fuentes Server," was dedicated to Catholics seeking "to explore the connections between their church" and Unite the Right. Hundreds of posters in that room talked about traditionalist Catholicism and posted memes with Crusades-era imagery and rhetoric alongside overtly antisemitic and pro-Nazi posts.

"Once the alt-right disintegrated in 2018 and 2019, a number of them turned inward, toward religion, now that they've been de-platformed and their first attempts to change society have been rebuffed," said Ben Lorber, a research analyst at Political Research Associates who has studied Fuentes' movement. "It seems like a way to get a foot back into the mainstream for people like [Yiannapoulos] who were excluded during the years of the alt-right."
https://www.salon.com/2022/01/08/right-wing-catholic-boomlet-gun-girl-signs-up-with-mother-church/

Not mentioned in this article is the Alt-Right's most successful plotter, Steve Bannon:

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Steve Bannon wins battle to set up right-wing political academy in Italy

Steve Bannon, the former adviser to U.S. President Donald Trump, has won a battle with Italy's culture ministry to set up a right-wing Catholic political academy in Italy.

A regional court ruled for the Dignitatis Humanae Institute think-tank, which Bannon backs, against a previous decision that blocked the school starting up in an 800-year-old monastery south of Rome.

"We stood by the monastery, the community and Italy during this pandemic when it would have been easy to walk way," Bannon said on Wednesday in a statement issued through the institute’s founder, Benjamin Harnwell, in response to the court's ruling on Tuesday.

Bannon, a Catholic, was helping to craft the curriculum for a leadership course aimed at right-wing Catholic activists at the Academy for the Judeo-Christian West
in the town of Trisulti.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/steve-bannon-wins-battle-set-right-wing-political-academy-italy-n1215341
Title: Re: State subverters
Post by: guest55 on January 19, 2022, 01:10:15 am
OAN Equates Trump To JESUS, Calls MAGA ‘Deplorables'
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Right-wing propaganda network OAN aired a strange segment recently comparing Donald Trump to the one-and-only Jesus Christ. Host Dan Ball claims that Trump hangs out with and supports society’s marginalized and deplorable characters, just like Jesus did. So the MAGA movement is full of deplorables?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJsCmHEE9i8

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His disciples said to him: Who are you, that you say these things to us? <Jesus said to them:> From what I say to you, do you not know who I am? But you have become like the Jews; for they love the tree (and) hate its fruit, and they love the fruit (and) hate the tree. — Jesus, Gospel of Thomas, Saying 43
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Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. — Jesus to the Jews, John 8:44

(https://static.dw.com/image/41823510_101.jpg)

Rightists could careless about looking like absolute clowns to sane people who are paying attention apparently. Nor do they care anything about truth, God, or Jesus, in reality. This should be obvious!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 12, 2022, 08:51:47 pm
From our enemies:

https://www.amren.com/blog/2022/02/the-bible-taught-me-to-see-race/

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The Bible makes it very clear that the Israelites are, at the bare minimum, a different group of people. It makes a clear distinction. God preserved Noah because he was “perfect in his generations.” At a minimum, the Bible takes note of the differences among different peoples. And if my religious text noted the differences, should I deny them? Should we ignore reality?

That is because you are reading the Old Testament. If the Old Testament is your religious text, the reality is that you are practicing Judaism. So no, you should not ignore reality. You should accept reality and stop calling yourself "Christian".

(By the way, Noah is whom Western civilization is emulating when it does not allow species to go extinct:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/ )

Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 15, 2022, 12:38:37 am
It needed to be said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/christians-oppose-masking-spirit-antichrist-223842670.html

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Obery M. Hendricks Jr., a religion professor at Columbia University, said last week that Christians who refuse to wear masks are possessed by "the spirit of antichrist."

"These folk are not fulfilling their gospel responsibility. They're violating it. They're spitting in the face of it," Hendricks said. "It's anti-biblical. It's anti-Christian. And I'll go farther … what we see reflected in their attitudes and their actions and their pronouncements is what 1 John calls the spirit of antichrist."

The Gospels are about what Jesus taught. See the difference compared to the previous post?

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"[W]hen we look again at these conservatives, these right-wingers that talk about 'You're infringing on my freedom by having me wear a mask' … they don't understand that they are violating the biblical principle of responsibility for our brothers and sisters," Hendricks told Wesley.

He went on to claim that Franklin Graham, Paula White, and Robert Jeffress — all prominent evangelical supporters of former President Donald Trump — also have the spirit of antichrist.

This is not the first time Hendricks has attributed this spirit to right-wing Christians. A 2020 profile quoted him as saying "the spirit of antichrist is being unleashed by right wing evangelicals' embrace of the discourse of evil personified in and articulated by Trump."

I agree. So, what does eschatology call us to do to the Antichrist?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on February 25, 2022, 09:58:36 pm
Rightist meme (correctly) pointing out that their fellow rightists are not true Christians:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJbn1XhWQAAJbo-?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

Although it goes without saying that Jesus was not a Jew, the "based Rabbi" line still applies because rightists' interpretation of Christianity would identify Jesus as a Jew, even if rightists claim otherwise.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: SirGalahad on February 26, 2022, 02:50:12 am
Let’s also not forget that if that exact verse were in the Quran, rightists would be flipping their **** and using it as another token verse to take out of context and label Islam as barbaric. It’s “based” when white westerners preach it, but barbaric when it’s non-white non-westerners preaching it
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 28, 2022, 08:55:17 pm
Our enemies praise Mennonites:

https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2022/02/taking-control-based-northern-alberta-mennonite-community-says-no-to-covid-mandates.html

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I want to discuss the Alpha chadness of the bad-ass Mennonites from La Crete, Alberta. While the vast majority of Canadians have had hysterical Covid mandates forced upon them, the Mennonites of La Crete said, “No Way”. No mask mandates, churches remained open, schools were maskless and in-person learning continued

Jesus was not an "alpha chad", therefore if Mennonites are "alpha chads", then Mennonites are not Christians.

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A town of around 3200 Mennonites, it shines like a gleaming spire of Christian Canadian goodness, in stark contrast to the bleak Indian reserves that surround it. In a still wild region where it is not unlikely to have to stop your car due to a buffalo or a passed-out victim of colonialism being on the road, La Crete boasts a full golf course and a ski hill. I have been there myself. I remember being astounded when we came into town. Hours of dingy black spruce marsh forest gave way to a town that was cleaner and more orderly than most others I have been in. Most of La Crete’s businesses close over the lunch hour so everyone can have lunch together. There are no liquor stores in La Crete. Lots of hunting, fishing, and hockey.

See?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 08, 2022, 01:56:02 am
How Orthodox Church followers think:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/war-ukraine-metaphysical-battle-against-221058908.html

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War in Ukraine is a 'metaphysical' battle against a civilization built on 'gay parades,' Russian Orthodox leader says

Patriarch Kirill, the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, delivered a sermon Sunday in which he referred to the war in Ukraine as a "metaphysical" struggle against a godless international order.

He argued that war broke out after eight years of "attempts to destroy what exists in the Donbas," because the pro-Russian separatist republics embodied "a fundamental rejection of the so-called values ​​that are offered today by those who claim world power."
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Putin frequently accuses the West of "denying moral principles and all traditional identities" while portraying Russia as the guardian of "the Christian values that constitute the basis of Western civilization."

Russia is indeed the guardian of the values that constitute the basis of Western civilization. However, those values are Judaic, not Christian. The Orthodox Church is Judaic, not Christian. Homophobia is a Judaic value, not a Christian value.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg2115/#msg2115
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest55 on March 08, 2022, 12:12:26 pm
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War in Ukraine is a 'metaphysical' battle against a civilization built on 'gay parades,

This is terrible propaganda that will certainly backfire if Russia loses in Ukraine, which it looks like it already did. 2022 and these people are still bumbling barbaric idiots. If your dumb enough to believe this I guess you're also dumb enough to invade a country of resistance fighters and expect flowers?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 08, 2022, 09:39:30 pm
There is worse from our enemies:

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/03/07/this-isnt-world-war-three-it-is-far-far-worse-this-is-world-war-sodomy/

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THIS WAR, WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT, IS FOUNDATIONALLY ABOUT THE GLOBAL RATIFICATION AND INSTALLATION OF SODOMY AS THE DOMINANT AND “NORMATIVE” MORAL HEGEMONY.
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Simply look at how the Ukraine-Russia war is being framed.  It is the “freedom-loving, liberty-loving, righteous LGBTQ friendly” Ukraine against the “Christian theocrat anti-LGBTQ dictator” Putin (I still marvel at the insanity of this description).

“Freedom” and “liberty” are now explicit dogwhistles for SODOMY.
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And, to the point of this essay, the Sodogarchy (aka Globohomo) are literally, right now, as I type this, agitating for NUCLEAR WAR, first and foremost in EUROPE, which is, of course, the center of Christian Civilization

I learned a new word today!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 18, 2022, 10:54:22 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/author-robert-p-jones-american-110118318.html

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Asking poll questions about people's views on Confederate flags and monuments, police killings of African Americans, and other racial issues, author Robert P. Jones created a "racism index."

For example, most with the highest scores viewed police killings of African Americans as isolated incidents.

The index is scored from zero to 10, from least to most racist views, he said. The scores were controlled for political partisanship, region of the country and other issues.

The findings were surprising, he said.

Not as surprising, white evangelicals scored an average 8 out of 10 on the scale, he said. But white Catholics, who historically have been discriminated against, and white non-evangelical protestants scored nearly as high, with an average score of 7, he said.

Whites with no religious affiliation had an average score of 4.

"When you hear the statistics cold, many white Christians are astonished," Jones said. "It's very clear that white Christianity has been on the wrong side of history."
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Even before the Civil War, many religious abolitionists fighting to free the slaves didn't believe in equality for Blacks, he said. Most of them saw whites as the superior race.

The violent, but very religious, abolitionist John Brown is an exception

Brown alone understood Christianity:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/

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White ministers, priests and rabbis were more cautious than courageous "and have remained silent behind the anesthetizing security of stained-glass windows," Jones quoted from King.

"I think that's really at the heart of the matter," Jones said. "Who is their God? Who are they worshiping?"

If the ministers and priests worship the same god as the rabbis, then logically they worship Yahweh. And that is presumably why they do not think racism is a problem!

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"We're for equal opportunity, but we're going to ignore our racist past," Jones said is the attitude of too many white Christians. "It's a kind of historical amnesia that benefits whites. They just pretend and wipe the slate clean."

In other words, they are not Christians. Where does wiping the slate clean come from?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-yom-kippur-reminder-the-idea-of-debt-forgiveness-dates-at-least-as-far-back-as-the-bible-11631729059

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In fact, it dates back (at least) all the way to the Old Testament of the Bible.

“Every seventh year you shall practice the remission of debts,” the 15th chapter of Deuteronomy reads. “This shall be the nature of the remission: every creditor shall remit the due that he claims from his fellow.”
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“Shmita is part of a complex of ideas in the Bible that essentially promote a socioeconomic vision in which people are given second chances to start over again in which they might change their economic and social position,” said Suzanne Last Stone, a professor of Jewish law at Cardozo Law School, Yeshiva University. “It kind of is like a reboot economically.”

Not from Jesus, that's for sure:

(https://slideplayer.com/slide/13989358/86/images/11/Jesus+Taught+That+Hell+Is+An+Eternal%2C+Everlasting%2C+Forever+Place.jpg)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 22, 2022, 09:24:03 pm
Our enemies make our case for us while trying to do the opposite:

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2022/03/22/is-christianity-compatible-with-white-racialism/

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The Christian Faith, it is argued, stands opposed to “racism” and ethnic tribalism. Believers in Jesus throughout Europe and America are urged to be “non-racist.” They are to stand against any stripe of nationalism that favors one ethnic group or nationality above another. Along with everyone else in a deracinated society as ours, White Christians too believe that “race doesn’t matter.”

Yet, are such notions supported by the New Testament itself (hereafter, NT)? Has today’s “anti-racism” been the prevailing viewpoint throughout the history of the Christian Church?

I intend to demonstrate in this article that the NT does not deny racial differences among human groups, nor does it foster a multiracial and multicultural framework for the nations.

Yes, followers of Jesus must be anti-racist. Therefore the only way our enemies will succeed in finding New Testament support for racism is by talking about:

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Paul did not urge Jewish believers to abandon their Jewish culture or certain ethnic traditions that were unique to them as a people. In fact, Paul himself was quite proud of his ethnic pedigree as seen in Philippians 3:4-6 even though he thought that paled in comparison with “the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord” (v.8).

When Paul was maligned by false teachers who accused him of teaching other Jews who are among the Gentiles to “forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs” in Acts 21:17, he was urged by James and the elders to ritually “purify” himself and the others with him so that “all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law” (v.24).

It is important to recognize that there is a historical transition occurring during this period from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant, and so naturally there is going to be some overlap between the two covenants. The Christian elders in Acts 21 did not want Paul’s message to be misunderstood, and they did not want people to reject it based on lies. As a form of concession, Paul subjects himself to a Jewish ritual cleansing to show he has not abandoned his people and culture.

This demonstrates that Paul was not against maintaining certain ethnic customs and traditions unique to Jews. He clearly maintained his Jewish identity. Likewise, he did not require that Gentile believers lose their unique ethnic and cultural identity either, except in those realms that conflicted with the Gospel message. Gentile believers were forbidden from idolatry, fornication, including eating meats that have been ceremoniously offered to idols (Acts 15:19–20).

These types of prohibitions are religious in nature, and not intended as a prohibition of all things ethnic or cultural. The natural deduction from it was that everything distinctive to them as a people was permissible. Greeks did not have to stop being Greeks, and Jews did not have to stop being Jewish. Paul had no interest in erasing ‘Whiteness,’ or ‘Jewishness,’ or ‘Greekness.’
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When Paul gave his speech to the Athenians in Acts 17:26 (“He made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times, and the boundaries of their habitation”), he clearly assumes that while we have all descended from Adam, there are legitimate boundaries of habitation (national borders) that separates us from each other. At no point does Paul argue that such boundaries should be torn down, nor that each nation should pursue a racial “melting pot” model for its citizens.

One could argue that it wasn’t Paul’s purpose in his speech to address immigration issues and racial diversity as it pertains to nations. True, but it’s interesting to observe that in the many public addresses Paul gives, including the various people he encountered during his missionary travels, there is not even one recorded occasion where he spoke of the need for miscegenation, racial and cultural diversity, or the blending of all people into some grand Utopian society. I think if it were so important for the nations of the world and vital to the Christian message, he would have said so. The fact that he never once did this sort of thing tells me that it’s not an essential of Christian belief.
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Besides, had Paul really believed that all racial and gender differences were mere “social constructs” and done away with in Christ, it seems strange that he would command the women to be “silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves just as the Law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church” (1 Corinthians 14:34-35). In his letter to Timothy, Paul also declares “Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). Evidently, not all ethnic and gender distinctions were erased in the way race-denying Christians imagine.

Why don't our enemies simply call their religion Paulianity, then?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest55 on March 22, 2022, 09:35:39 pm
It never ceases to amaze me how many human-beings will worship something they have not even read!?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 01, 2022, 08:33:34 pm
Some people understand Christianity is leftist, but do they understand that the Old Testament is rightist and hence that the failure to throw out the Old Testament from Christianity is what is ultimately holding it back?

https://thedialog.org/national-news/some-catholics-believe-the-church-should-look-to-collaborate-with-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

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For Segura, the Black Lives Matter movement is “very much a secular version of our Catholic social teaching” particularly with its focus on “affirming the most marginalized people,”
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 04, 2022, 12:14:06 am
Meanwhile back in the Orthodox Church:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/patriarch-urges-soldiers-defend-peace-140325408.html

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Patriarch urges soldiers to defend 'peace-loving' Russia amid Ukraine campaign
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At the lavishly decorated Main Cathedral of the Armed Forces opened two years ago in Kubinka outside Moscow, Patriarch Kirill told a group of servicemen and servicewomen that Russia was a "peace-loving" country that had suffered greatly from war.
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Kirill, 75, has previously made statements defending Moscow's actions in Ukraine and sees the war as a bulwark against a Western liberal culture that he considers decadent, particularly over the acceptance of homosexuality.

In other words, by "peace" he means peace for heteronormativity a.k.a. homophobia.

At least he has the hat to go with his attitudes:

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/m0eWVmbIe7KFPXUrJuP_Fw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTY0MTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/LD8Uy6lPjRzQ.PWrj8kX3A--~B/aD01MzQ7dz04MDA7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/reuters.com/f1f8c0d172186e292f46e8d67f45d811)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 10, 2022, 09:22:28 pm
Our enemies explain why they love the Old Testament:

https://counter-currents.com/2022/04/a-bit-more-of-the-good-book-the-ethnonationalist-revenge/

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Morris van de Camp’s excellent essay “A Bit of the Good Book — From an Ethnonationalist Perspective” reminded me of something that I have always known about the Old Testament: It is a tribalist manifesto. Of course, it is more than just that. It’s part history, myth, fable, literature, prayer, law, and other things as well.

Thematically it is equally diverse. It’s truculent and cruel, as when Moses orders the sons of Levi to kill 3,000 of their own people after they worshipped the golden calf in his absence (Exodus 32:19-28), or when God instructs the sons of Israel to commit genocide against the Hittites and other groups (Deuteronomy 7:1-16). It’s edge-of-your-seat entertaining, as when the conflicted and ill-fated King Saul contends with the upstart David along with external threats from the Philistines and the Amalekites (1 Samuel 15-31).

It’s brimming with unforgettable detail, my favorite being the “shibboleth” story from Judges 12 in which Jephthah is warring with Ephraim. The former’s followers detect an Ephraimite through his inability to pronounce the word “shibboleth.” A close second also appears in the exquisitely violent Book of Judges, when a fleeing Canaanite commander named Sisera seeks shelter in the camp of the Kenites, an allied tribe. Jael, the wife of Heber, invites him into her tent, waits for him to fall asleep, and then drives a nail through his temple with a mallet (Judges 4: 17-22).

For prose literature, one would have to travel to Ancient Greece to find to find anything as imaginative, profound, and mesmerizing as the Book of Job. And as for poetry in the form of prayer, what can equal Psalm 23 (“The Lord is my Shepherd”) to help a person endure difficult times? Psalm 56 (“A Prayer of Trust”) comes close. And if one is lonely and far from home, one can do no better than the first six lines of Psalm 137 (“By the Rivers of Babylon”) to find comfort.

There is therefore a reason why the Old Testament resonates so powerfully across the miles and centuries. Of course, this might be due to the sublime English verse found in the King James Bible almost as much as it is to the inherent value of the source material. Can anyone in the West imagine what could encompass the meaning of the word “scripture” better than the Old Testament? For these reasons, it is a crucial document of world history and literature.

Yet, above all else, the Old Testament is — I repeat — a tribalist manifesto. At all times, the reader is aware of the distinct and strictly — often violently — enforced demarcations between Jews and non-Jews. Thus, the term “seed” appears often in the Pentateuch. Genetics and racial purity are of paramount important to the ancient Israelites. This is why the Book of Ruth is so noteworthy: It actually violates this racial purity by accepting the heathen Ruth into the Jewish bloodline which leads to King David. Note also Psalm 137, mentioned above. I included only lines 1-6 because lines 7-9 are quite a bit less, shall we say, psalm-like. They seek revenge against Israel’s enemies by calling for the mass murder of children (“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”)

Not so sublime, now, is it?

In Genesis 15:4-5 and 22:17, God informs Abraham that the number of his seed will amount to the stars in the sky. In Genesis 21:13, God promises Abraham that he will make a nation from his seed. In Genesis 25:23 God tells Isaac’s wife Rebekah that there are two separate and distinct nations in her womb. Genesis 35:11 has God instructing Jacob that he will offer the land of Israel to his seed. So, if you were not of Jacob’s seed, then you were not going to receive the bounty of the Lord, and no amount of good deeds and righteous acts was going to change that. This is not civic nationalism. This is blood and soil tribalism, which was extremely common if not ubiquitous in the ancient world.

Above, we mention how God instructs His children to commit genocide. Here’s the Lord in his own words (Deuteronomy 7:14-16):

Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.

And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.

And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee.

Now, to be fair to the ancient Israelites, I am sure that the holy doctrines of all the surrounding tribes in the Middle East back then had similar passages demonizing the outgroup. In its historical context, there may not be much that is unusual about the Old Testament in this regard. But still, it’s impossible not to read a distinct ethnocentrism in and between the lines of the Old Testament — one that will force many modern-day Christians of the “woke” and inclusive variety into the uncomfortable position of backpedaling. Deuteronomy 14:2 would be a typical triggering point:

For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are now upon the earth.

Genealogy is also central to the Old Testament. Genesis’ fourth and fifth chapters provide exact lists of Adam and Eve’s descendants, which provides the stereotypical “who begat whom” business the Bible is famous for. Chapter 10 of Genesis provides 32 lines of Noah’s descendants, known as the “Table of Nations.” At the end of the Book of Ruth, Ruth’s child Obed’s lineage is provided, which stretches back to Pharez, the son of Judah — who in turn was the son of Isaac and the grandson of Abraham. A similar genealogy is provided for King Saul in 1 Samuel 9:1.

So, the idea of ethnocentric purity reverberates throughout the Old Testament, with the rare exceptions being explicitly stated (such as with Ruth as well as with Judah’s coupling with his daughter in-law, the Canaanite Tamar). Most of the time, however, God punishes Jews who venture among the gentiles, swiftly and mercilessly.
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Christians can resort to all sorts of syllogisms to dispel the throbbing ethnocentrism found in the cruel and authoritative Old Testament. And dispel they must if they wish their religions to be as ecumenical in deed as in word, because if there is anything the Old Testament isn’t, it’s ecumenical.

Unfortunately, this resolution opens a loophole which the globalist enemies of Christians — and of white people — are quick to exploit. It is the very ecumenical nature of the New Testament which provides the justification, or holy decree, behind the racial integration and mass immigration which is currently threatening the West’s white populations.

The Old Testament is Judaic. It is the New Testament which is Christian and hence the enemy of "whiteness" (and Jewishness). You can be "white" (including Jewish) or you can be Christian. You cannot be both.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest55 on April 10, 2022, 09:38:56 pm
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Morris van de Camp’s excellent essay “A Bit of the Good Book — From an Ethnonationalist Perspective” reminded me of something that I have always known about the Old Testament: It is a tribalist manifesto.

I never thought I'd see the day an ethno-tribalist stated it so openly and plainly....
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on April 11, 2022, 12:17:42 am
Orthodox cleric Patriarch Kirill is likely a KGB agent:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/feb/12/1
Russian Patriarch 'was KGB spy'

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A secret Soviet-era document uncovered in Estonia suggests that Patriarch Alexy II, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church and spiritual leader of tens of millions of Christians, was a fully fledged KGB agent.

Accusations that Alexy, elected Patriarch in 1990, co-operated closely with the KGB under the code name 'Drozdov' (Thrush), have circulated since a parliamentary commission was allowed a brief peek at secret police files in Moscow in 1991.

But the Estonian text is the first publicly available document to support the theory that Alexy was more than a mere collaborator and that from 1958 he was an active agent, using the KGB as a career ladder at a time when the secret police persecuted organised religion.

New Russian war chief will bring more brutality in Ukraine, US warns
The Russian Orthodox Church claims the document is a forgery but has made no attempt to disprove its authenticity. The Patriarch has made no comment.

'As far as I understand, what's being said is that someone, somewhere, brought out into the open some kind of paper carrying neither the Patriarch's signature nor reliable information that he had any kind of involvement in this sort of activity,' said a Church spokesman, Father Vsevolod Chaplin.

Yet the evidence, in the 1958 annual report of the Estonian branch of the KGB, which was left behind in Tallinn when the Soviet authorities pulled out of the newly independent country in 1991, is compelling.

The report, seen by the Guardian, consists of a stack of yellowing typewritten pages bound together as a book, which carries the legend 'Top Secret Ekz. No. 2 Series K' and the title `Summary of operational intelligence work by the 4th department of the KGB in the Council of Ministers of the Estonian SSR in 1958'.

On page 125 is a short account of the recruitment, in that year, of a young Orthodox priest given the codename 'Drozdov'. The agent is not named, but key characteristics coincide with Alexy's life.

Like the Patriarch, Drozdov was born in Tallinn in 1929, spoke fluent Russian and Estonian, was a doctor of theology and was serving as an Orthodox priest in Estonia in 1958.

Drozdov, who impressed the KGB with his eagerness, discretion and lively, forthcoming manner, began his career as an agent by providing information on a corrupt priest at a church in the small town of Jyhvi.

The Patriarch was the rector of the Church of the Epiphany in Jyhvi from 1950 until 1957. By 1961 he had become the bishop of Tallinn and Estonia aged only 32. The 1958 KGB report on Drozdov said his promotion to this post was 'considered' during his recruitment.

In the same year that he became a bishop, Alexy's rapid rise within the World Council of Churches began - the very course the KGB planned for Drozdov.

Indrek Jurjo, the Estonian historian who investigated the KGB report, said: `It must be him. It's very close. There were very few priests of the Orthodox Church here at that time. The description, the age, the plan for him to become a bishop - it fits.'

The report describes Drozdov as agreeing to work for the KGB on patriotic grounds. 'He's described here as an agent,' said Mr Jurjo. 'That means he had a KGB officer who he met with regularly in clandestine locations and who interrogated him. He would also have written reports.' Drozdov's reports, along with the KGB annual summaries after 1958, were taken to Moscow in 1991. After the 1991 putsch, President Boris Yeltsin gave a Russian parliamentary commission carte blanche to probe into some of the darkest secrets of the KGB, only to withdraw it a few months later under pressure from the secret police and other powerful figures.

Father Gleb Yakunin, an Orthodox priest and former MP who searched through KGB files, said he found several references to Drozdov. To his regret, he made no copies, and never found the card-index in which the codenames of agents were matched with their true identities.

One reference in the report from October 1969 reads: 'Agents Drozdov and Peresvyet travelled to England as part of the delegation to the Conference of European Churches.' Father Gleb, who was imprisoned in Soviet times for his opposition to state interference in the Church, said the Patriarch must lead the clergy in mass repentance.

'To co-operate with a state which sets as its aim the destruction of religion is a great sin, and a betrayal of Christianity,' he said.

The Patriarch is highly influential: the Kremlin values his support, and Alexy is close to at least one of Boris Yeltsin's likely successors, Moscow's mayor, Yuri Luzhkov.

In Russia only one small newspaper, the weekly Novaya Gazeta, has reported the Estonian find. A freelance television journalist, Boris Sobolyev, who travelled to Tallinn to film the story, has been unable to find a Russian news programme willing to air it.

Father Chaplin said: 'In recent times many anonymous photocopies of all sorts of pieces of paper have been circulated. In none of them is there the slightest evidence that the individuals we are talking about knew that these documents were being drawn up, or gave their consent. So I don't think any reasonably authoritative clerical or secular commission could see these papers as proof of anything.
'

What does it say about Russian "religion" that you literally have a former member of one of the most murderous organizations in the world as your figurehead? More importantly, what does it say about the authenticity of Russian religion itself?

Of course, it goes without saying we would oppose the Orthodox Church even if it were following the authentic (i.e. non intelligence agency infilitrated) version of Orthodoxy.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on April 11, 2022, 09:29:13 pm
Orthodox Church demonstrates traditionalist violence:
https://youtu.be/uxE--jAIiQ8
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 18, 2022, 08:37:47 pm
I repeat, the Orthodox Church is the problem:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/image-besieged-victimized-russia-came-124816887.html

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For centuries, Russia has often been derided as overly, if not pathologically, paranoid: always suspicious of outsiders while harboring plans of conquest.
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Russia’s rendering of itself as a geopolitical fortress coincided with the development of its identity as a bastion of Christianity.

In the 16th century under Ivan “the Terrible,” the ruling elite of Muscovy, as the land of Russia was known then, propagated the idea of it being the Third Rome: the God-ordained, sole home of true Christianity.

The two previous capitals of Christianity – the Rome of the Vatican and the Rome of Constantinople as the capital of the Byzantine Empire – could no longer aspire to such status. After all, the first was under control of schismatics – as Orthodox Christians would view Catholics – while the second had been occupied by the Ottoman Turks since the city’s fall in 1453. That left Russia as the only place where a pure form of Christianity could reside.

In reality, of course, the Orthodox Church was a destroyer of true Christianity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatise_Against_the_Bogomils

and guess how they did it:

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Cosmas purposefully employed around 70 quotations from Apostle Paul to debunk the beliefs of Bogomils

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg12216/#msg12216
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 20, 2022, 03:37:09 am
Welby is talking about the real God, not Yahweh:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61130841

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UK's Rwanda asylum plan the 'opposite of nature of God' - Welby
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Speaking at Canterbury Cathedral on Easter Sunday, Mr Welby said there were "serious ethical questions about sending asylum seekers overseas".

He added: "The details are for politics and politicians. The principle must stand the judgment of God, and it cannot.

"...And it cannot carry the weight of our national responsibility as a country formed by Christian values; because sub-contracting out our responsibilities, even to a country that seeks to do well like Rwanda, is the opposite of the nature of God, who himself took responsibility for our failures."
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on April 30, 2022, 08:32:41 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/christians-loathe-neighbor-while-love-160000496.html

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Greene’s ire was stirred by the idea of Catholic bishops rendering aid to undocumented immigrants on the Southern border. “Oh, we have to love these people and take care of these migrants,” she says in a mocking singsong. “Yes, we’re supposed to love one another, but their definition of what ‘love one another’ means means destroying our laws. . . . The true meaning of loving one another . . . means that you also have to uphold the law.”

It’s a bizarre exegesis supported by no Bible. To the contrary, Greene’s take invalidates generations of Christian activism, thousands of believers — Martin Luther King is only the most prominent — arrested in every cause from racial equality to climate change to nuclear arms to the death penalty. Further, it ignores that the very founder of the faith was a refugee who was later executed — spoiler alert: it didn’t stick — for supposedly breaking the law.

Racists will always be racists, but what we can do is get them to admit that racism is incompatible with Christianity:

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Author Eddy Harris once described a conversation with a white woman in Mississippi whose mother belonged to a whites-only church in the 1960s. The older woman was asked whether Jesus would have allowed African Americans to worship in his church. “Of course he would have,” she said, “but Jesus would have been wrong.”

This 1960s racist is at least better than Greene who tries to claim that Jesus would endorse her.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest55 on May 19, 2022, 10:47:34 pm
The Hebrew Bible also tells Judeo-Christian Palestinians in Jewish occupied Palestine to also forgive, this has worked out for Palestinians about as well as "forgiveness" and "tolerance" has worked out for "blacks" in the Western colonized world. "Forgiveness" is what cowards do for themselves so they don't have to be bothered by uncomfortable emotions...

'The Bible tells us to forgive': Church deacon says Buffalo shooting victim would forgive gunman
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CNN’s Brian Todd is in Buffalo, New York, where the investigation continues into the mass shooting at Tops grocery store. Todd speaks to a man who attended church with shooting victim Hayward Patterson, and hears from the son of slain security guard Aaron Salter, Jr. Then, legal analyst Carrie Cordero joins CNN’s Jake Tapper to discuss New York’s red flag laws and why they didn’t help keep the guns away from the 18-year-old accused domestic terrorist. #CNN #News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyJaYmKoJ3s

Why is it when occupiers\colonialists and tyrants preach "forgiveness" many of the oppressed embrace it fully with their hearts and minds?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 20, 2022, 10:03:35 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-endorsed-her-now-she-195809007.html

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Trump Endorsed Her. Now She Wants to Use State Power to ‘Crush’ the Left and Impose ‘God’s Moral Order’

God is a leftist. She wants to impose Yahweh's order.

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Jacky Eubanks is running for the Michigan legislature with a “wholehearted” endorsement from Donald Trump who calls her “an America First Patriot.”
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Her agenda?

Banning contraception, gay marriage and imposing the “Christian moral order” on the nation.

Not only does homophobia come exclusively from the Old Testament (hence Judaism, not Christianity) as we have pointed out over and over again, but so does anti-contraception:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_contraception

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Among traditional interpretations of the Torah, active prevention of pregnancy is in violation of the commandment "be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28). Some Rabbinic authorities[who?] further consider the possibility (generally not accepted) that a union that by definition cannot lead to pregnancy would amount to "spilling seed", the sin of Onan ( Genesis 38:9–10).
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Contraceptive measures that lead to male sterility, are not ever permitted for their interfering with a man's obligation, only ever being permitted in life-threatening circumstances for the man such as some forms of cancer. For example, a crushed or mangled man may not be permitted to marry anyone but a convert under Jewish law, and halachic authorities see vasectomy as a form of maiming, even if already married to a non-convert becoming maimed intentionally or accidentally including a vasectomy does obligate divorce unless a successful repair surgery is performed and sperm flow is returned (based on Deuteronomy 23:2).[1]
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In the Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Issurei (21:18)–which is part of the Maimonides' Law Code from the medieval period–it is stated that expending semen for no purpose is forbidden as a man holds the sole responsibility in the act of procreation. Because the commandant for this duty rests on the man, any form of male contraception or sterilization is prohibited by Traditional Jewish Law.[5]

Back to first link:

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Voris then drilled down on contraception, specifically, asking Eubanks if she would use her vote in the Michigan statehouse to make it illegal. “We have a declining population. We have an underpopulation problem. All of this could be avoided if we were a truly pro-life nation,” Eubanks said.

No further comment necessary. But she also looks like what we would expect:

(https://bluewaterhealthyliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Jacky-Eubanks-still.jpg)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 03, 2022, 10:29:14 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/felt-crying-anti-gay-commencement-150240193.html

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MARION, Ohio — Public outrage ensued following a Friday graduation ceremony in Ohio where an alumni speaker condemned homosexual relationships in his commencement speech.

Jim McGuire encouraged the graduates of River Valley High School to pursue the "Biblical principles" of only romantic relationships between a man and a woman.

After opening his speech by encouraging the graduates of the public school in Ohio's Marion County to spend time "learning God's word," McGuire made the following comment about relationships:

"Choose a spouse, I suggest. I also strongly suggest to make sure to choose Biblical principles, you know, a male with a female and female with a male," he said.

He also looks like what we would expect an Old Testament fan to look like (ie. more like Orban than like Jesus):

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/BukwOPnL_DJmDnQlxzcj0Q--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQ3MDtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/SX_ttmgpsAqtHtJ6lC5XYg--~B/aD0xMDUzO3c9MTU3OTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/usa_today_news_641/4aa17b3ca7740bd5213750cb5be2456e)

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg2115/?topicseen#msg2115
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 04, 2022, 08:14:00 pm
More of the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX5yv6EE-2s
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 06, 2022, 08:38:15 pm
In contrast, New Testament followers behave like this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/osu-catholic-church-help-fill-110056996.html

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Kluver said the Afghans began arriving in Stillwater in December 2021, and the last arrived this past April. He said the refugees largely have been embraced by the Stillwater community, particularly in recent weeks as OSU's partnership — and subsequent funding — has ended with Catholic Charities of Eastern Oklahoma's resettlement program.

"They are our neighbors," he said of the refugees.

That neighborly connection became a critical factor as the university's contract with Catholic Charities came to an end in early May. Kluver said fortunately by then, St. Francis Xavier Catholic Church had set up a fund to meet the refugees' ongoing needs.

"Our goal is that nobody falls through the cracks," Kluver said.

Deacon Kevin Sartorius is chief executive officer of Catholic Charities-Eastern Oklahoma. He said his agency is asked to complete a core resettlement checklist with each refugee in their resettlement program in a 90-day window. Core resettlement includes things like helping refugees obtain jobs, housing and driver's licenses.

Sartorius said sometimes those matters are not completed within the 90-day window of a standard resettlement contract. However, another community agency typically helps move the refugees forward in the resettlement process after the initial 90 days. Sartorius said that agency in Tulsa is the YWCA, which stepped in to help refugees in Tulsa became established. This aid could last up to five years, if necessary.
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Sartorius said there was never any real danger that the refugees in Stillwater would be left with no aid. He said Kluver and OSU have been great from the start. Plus, he said they have hired a Catholic Charities case manager who had been working with the refugees and the fund from St. Francis Xavier will help pay her salary. This helps ensure that the families will continue working with one of the resettlement program staff members they are familiar with.

"It's a little bit outside the normal operations, but we're trying to be creative in making it all work, as opposed to walking away," Sartorius said.

He said his agency is still involved with the Afghan refugees, with a focus on helping them get through the process of obtaining asylum status from the U.S. government.

The Rev. Brian O'Brien, pastor of St. Francis Xavier, said his church didn't hesitate to answer the call for help when the congregation learned Afghan refugees would be resettling in Stillwater. Church members who wished to help were matched with refugee families, and the volunteers have cultivated friendships with Afghans.
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To donate to the St. Francis Xavier Catholic Church fund benefiting the Oklahoma State University CARES (Compassionate Afghan Resettlement and English Services program, call 405-372-6886 or go to  https://www.sfxstillwater.org/. For more information about OSU CARES, go to https://global.okstate.edu/afghan-project/.

Thank you for your good work!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 07, 2022, 07:54:48 pm
And straight back to Old Testament followers (ignore Uyghur):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w_kvNUIiqM
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 10, 2022, 12:02:30 am
Lieu has finally spotted what this topic has been emphasizing:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-ted-lieu-recites-jesus-230512656.html

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Rep. Ted Lieu (D, CA-33) made headlines on Wednesday for standing in silence after announcing he would share what Jesus had to say about homosexuality.
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The congressman proceeded to stand in silence for over 20 seconds, appearing to send a strong message that Jesus had nothing to say on the matter.

After a stretch of time, he concluded, “I yield back,” before leaving the stage.

The speech has garnered much attention, making headlines for several news outlets and prompting hundreds of responses from Twitter users.

Some of the comments show the beginnings of replicating this topic:

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How does Lieu perceive the passage about "go forth and multiply"?  Something it takes a man and a woman to achieve.  Also in Leviticus it admonishes against homosexuality.  I wonder if he has ever actually read the Bible.
Correct me if Im wrong but in Leviticus it isnt Jesus who is admonishing homosexuality. If so, then Lieu's point still stands.

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Mr. Lieu seems to be an intelligent person but he seems to Not to understand or know what the Bible says about this topic.
The Bible is the written Word of God. It is the Voice of God. The Word says "In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was God. And the Word was Made Flesh. When Mary Received the Word of God brought to her by the Angel Gabriel, with the help of the Holy Spirit, Mary became pregnant with who would be Jesus.
Jesus Is the Word Made Flesh. If Mr. Lieu wants to know what Jesus has to say, Look into the Word of God (the Bible).
On homosexuality, see Romans 1:20-30. Also Genesis 19:1-30 and 1 Corinthians 6:9-12. These are the Words of God, The Word Made Flesh. These are the Words of Jesus that Mr. Lieu could Not find.
No, those are the words of Paul and some ancient Hebrews.

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What about the Old Testament?
Pretty sure Jesus wasn't in the Old Testament.

This topic has succeeded! Judeo-Christianity will henceforth surely separate into its fundamentally incompatible constituent components Judaism and (Gnostic) Christianity. This will set up the battle between the Antichrist (a.k.a. Jewish Messiah) and the Second Coming of Jesus.

The Orthodox Church will definitely be supporting the Antichrist. I do not mean only the Russian Orthodox Church, I mean the Orthodox Church in general:

https://russia-insider.com/en/ukrainian-priest-cleanses-street-holy-water-after-lgbt-parade-odessa/ri24876

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A priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church went through the city center of Odessa, blessing the street with Holy Water following a LGBT pride parade, reports Odessa Media.

Fr. Oleg Mokryak, the head of the Odessa Diocese Missionary Department, went along Seaside Boulevard with parishioners dousing the road, people, and monuments with Holy Water.

He explained as he went that he was cleansing the boulevard, after the sexual deviancy parade had defiled the street.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest78 on June 10, 2022, 12:16:08 am
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The congressman proceeded to stand in silence for over 20 seconds, appearing to send a strong message that Jesus had nothing to say on the matter.

Nicely done! Rightist gibberish has been derailing threads on the true and living God forum since human-beings began recording their miserable existence on this God forsaken planet!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 18, 2022, 08:40:51 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/diocese-says-mass-school-cant-174014126.html

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A Bishop in Massachusetts says a boys' middle school can no longer refer to itself as Catholic after flying Pride and Black Lives Matter flags on campus.

Bishop Robert J. McManus, of the Diocese of Worcester, has barred the Nativity School of Worcester from using the title "Catholic" to describe itself after the school refused to take down the flags earlier this year, according to a decree issued Thursday by McManus.

The decision comes "after discussions over the past few months in an attempt to find alternatives to flying the Black Lives Matter and gay pride flags outside the school," the diocese said, adding that the flags "are inconsistent with Catholic teaching."

McManus also looks like what we would expect:

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/yaU9y9xvJUBEirreqsgmyw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTE0NDA7Y2Y9d2VicA--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/xsStvt0bnLSjuKjX9hsveA--~B/aD0xNTAwO3c9MTAwMDthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/people_218/81ee3094660d96eb98282f274b46caf7)

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/old-content/
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 29, 2022, 08:43:18 pm
https://www.theroot.com/woman-says-church-turned-her-away-because-she-was-black-1849118382

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A woman went to social media alleging a member of First Baptist Church Forrest City in Arkansas had turned her and her family away because they were Black. According to the woman, a church member referred to her family as “coloreds.”

If this is true, then there are more places in the country than we realize that are still stuck in the 1950s.

Donna Mac went to Facebook to detail the alleged encounter. Per her account, one member stopped her and her family at the steps to ask, “Well what you want to come in for?” Mac answered that she was there for church and the member told her to come back when service starts at 11 a.m.

Meanwhile, Mac said there were people already allowed inside.

More from Donna Mac’s post:

After speaking with the 2nd member (older white lady) I stated, “Is everyone not welcome here?” She stated, “We’ve had COLOREDS here before.” I asked, “What do you mean Coloreds? Do you mean Black people?” Her response, “No COLOREDS! When I was growing up we always called them COLOREDS!” We just looked at her and left!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest78 on July 03, 2022, 07:07:50 pm
Taking the Crusades; Western colonialism, Zionism, British Israelism, Christian Identity, and Judeo-Christianity in general into account, I'd say most follower's of Yahweh are murderous. This is what you become when you worship the devil!

The Murderous Cult Of Nation Of Yahweh | The FBI Files | Real Crime
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The 'R.I.C.O.' investigation of the Nation of Yahweh and its former leader, Yahweh ben Yahweh.

The decapitation of a young African-American male led the Miami-Dade police and the FBI along a trail of death. Authorities discovered that the man was a dissident member of a religious cult headed by a man who called himself Yahweh ben Yahweh, or 'God, Son of God'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVg2lGBibZc

BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES VS WHITE JEWISH MAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc9c3kqQ034

Being misguided enough to believe that the appropriate way to counter Western racism is with more Western racism of your own is a fools errand, and certainly pleases Yahweh I'm sure! Westerners will be westerners though!

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/some-very-compelling-evidence-the-tower-of-babel-was-real/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/the-10-commandments-how-to-read-them-from-a-tribalist-perspective/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/

Regardless, some Western "blacks" enjoy mainstreaming racial Jewishness it would appear:

How The Hebrew Israelites Influence Kendrick Lamar and Kodak Black | Genius News
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Kendrick Lamar dropped his fourth studio album DAMN. back in April, and attentive fans may have caught a new reference in the rapper’s dense and allusive rhymes.

Kendrick is referencing the book of Deuteronomy in the Bible, where Moses addresses the Twelve Tribes of Israel who have made their exodus from slavery in Egypt and wandered for 40 years in the desert. The Israelites are about to enter the land promised to them by God, and Moses gives them God’s holy law and warns of dire consequences should they break it.

Kendrick’s lyrics often delve into spiritual territory, but the Old Testament fire and brimstone is a new theme for him. Perhaps disillusioned by what many see as a dark turn in the country’s history, he is searching for roots by referencing the teachings of the Hebrew Israelites, a black religious movement that has thrived on the margins of the country’s spiritual landscape for over a century.

Lamar is not alone. Two months after the release of DAMN., Kodak Black echoed Kendrick’s lines on “First Day Out,” the first single he dropped after being released from prison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBnHJCB3VZE

Yahweh LOVES gold himself, how unironic it all is!?

I fail to see why "blacks" from "Africa" chose a racist religion such as Judaism over let's say, Kemet? Or, Akhenaten's Religion of Light, for example?

(https://i.imgflip.com/51eict.jpg)
Way more than that if you count false-leftist types and all rightists in that equation!

The only proper way to counter racism is with pure unadulterated anti-racism!

'Nope. Jesus is Not Yahweh' ~ Dr Bart Ehrman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfQ6bU6GYDw

Related: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/western-revisionism-of-wwi-and-wwii/?message=14460
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 04, 2022, 10:36:46 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffJZZ3GE_uE

Old Testament follower, of course:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment#History

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In the Western world, the corporal punishment of children has traditionally been used by adults in authority roles.[8] Beating one's child as a form of punishment is even recommended in the book of Proverbs:
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Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying. (Proverbs 19:18)

Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it from him. (Proverbs 22:15)

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Robert McCole Wilson argues that, "Probably this attitude comes, at least in part, from the desire in the patriarchal society for the elder to maintain his authority, where that authority was the main agent for social stability. But these are the words that not only justified the use of physical punishment on children for over a thousand years in Christian communities, but ordered it to be used. The words were accepted with but few exceptions; it is only in the last two hundred years that there has been a growing body of opinion that differed. Curiously, the gentleness of Christ towards children (Mark, X) was usually ignored".[10]

Replace "God" with "Yahweh" and what the JH guy says is accurate. Babies are enemies of Yahweh. That is why Jesus had such a high opinion of them:

(https://trueleft.createaforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gospelofthomas.info%2Fmetanoia%2Fimages%2F4.gif&hash=979f5066ed724ce62d525e3dbb86da59d2eef675)

(https://ministry-to-children.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/let-the-children-come-luke-18-16.jpg)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest78 on July 05, 2022, 12:49:16 pm
Judeo-Christians obviously wish everyone was born an adult, or already adulterated. Yet, their hatred is not toward Yahweh for not making it so, but for the children themselves for being born children.

These are clearly quite brilliant people that deserve respect and not a bullet to the head...
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 15, 2022, 08:17:05 pm
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/14/gops-army-christian-nationalists-and-white-supremacists-poses-danger-greater-you

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At first sight, Christian fundamentalists and white nationalists seem to have little in common: what do self-described sober, church-going Christians have to do with a violent rabble of criminal misfits?

First, there is a substantial overlap in membership, as strange as this might sound. In recent decades, many Christian nationalist leaders have begun obsessing over "taking back America" by any means necessary, including violence. This is unsurprising, because fundamentalist Christianity broods over violence and mayhem as a theological tenet, emphasizing the gorier parts of the Old Testament such as the Israelites' mass slaughter of the Canaanites.
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Other strange fellow travelers of the Christian fundamentalists are the extreme libertarians. It has been said that libertarianism is the peculiarly American form of authoritarianism; it is often a label used by people to disguise, for tactical reasons, the fact that they are de facto Republicans. These libertarians are frequently the paymasters of Republican politicians (as evidenced by Peter Thiel, the Koch fortune, the Mercer family, et al.), and as such, wield outsized influence over the GOP.

Peter Thiel's philosophy boils down to saying that your moral worth equates to how much money you have. His notions dovetail nicely with Christian fundamentalists who espouse the Prosperity Gospel, the claim that one's wealth is a sign of God's favor.
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misogyny and the cult of masculine toughness. This is obvious among fundamentalists and white nationalists alike: Southern Baptists and other evangelical sects preach "submission" of women, and every nationalist movement of the past century has diminished women's rights.

Many libertarians are also dismissive of women, taking the social-Darwinian view that feminine weakness and sentimentality are a drag on a tough, realistic society that looks out for Number One and regards the poor as social parasites. Thiel has expressed his despondency over the fact that women have the vote.

Why are we still calling them "Christian" fundamentalists? These are Judaic fundamentalists! Recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4254/?topicseen#msg4254

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_poverty_and_wealth

   
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Perrotta points out that material wealth is highly valued in the Old Testament; the Hebrews seek it and God promises to bless them with it if they will follow his commandments.[12] Joseph Francis Kelly writes that biblical writers leave no doubt that God enabled men such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Solomon to achieve wealth and that this wealth was a sign of divine favor.
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    Jesus explicitly condemns excessive love of wealth as an intrinsic evil in various passages in the Gospels, especially in Luke (Luke 16:10–15 being an especially clear example). He also consistently warns of the danger of riches as a hindrance to favor with God

Related:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/judeo-christian-theocracy-supporters-in-the-us-(dominionists)/
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on July 19, 2022, 08:26:09 pm
Our enemies agree with us on the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament. No prizes for guessing which they prefer:

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2022/07/19/the-cuckoo-cult-mainstream-christianity-is-now-an-implacable-enemy-of-the-white-west/

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(https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/stonetoss.jpg)
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the oxymoronic concept of Judeo-Christianity, which has all the coherence and honesty of “carnivorous vegetarianism”
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Traditionalist Christians deny, of course, that those verses encourage race-blindness and transgenderism. But they can’t deny that those verses from the Christian New Testament are much friendlier to such pernicious ideologies than these verses from the Jewish Old Testament:

    20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. (Book of Deuteronomy) 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Book of Numbers)

In the Old Testament, the difference between Jews and non-Jews, between male and female, is literally a matter of life and death. In the New Testament, “Christ is all, and in all.” When you compare the Old and New Testaments, you shouldn’t be surprised that Jewish Israel is highly ethnocentric and has big fences on its borders to keep out non-Jewish “infiltrators.” Nor should you be surprised that historically Christian Britain is now heavily enriched with non-Whites and non-Christians.
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Justin Welby, the invertebrate Archbishop of Canterbury, contrasted “the weekend of Easter celebrations with his antipathy towards the government’s Rwandan asylum plans.” According to Welby: “Easter is a season of life and hope, of repentance and renewal. And this season is also why there are such serious ethical questions about sending asylum seekers overseas. The details are for politics. The principle must stand the judgment of God, and it cannot.”
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However, I don’t think that Welby is an aberration. No, he’s the logical culmination of Christian universalism.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 09, 2022, 07:36:38 pm
Headlines like these are what we need:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rejecting-christian-nationalism-jesus-083840366.html

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Rejecting Christian Nationalism Is What Jesus Would Do

Just put "" around "Christian" and it would be perfect.

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The clear goal of Christian nationalism is to seize power only for its mostly white evangelical and conservative Catholic followers, no matter who else gets hurt
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They are America’s false prophets. And Jesus warned us about them.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/judeo-christian-theocracy-supporters-in-the-us-(dominionists)/
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 27, 2022, 12:57:15 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQFmrnMDsmI

I academically agree with the rightists that Trump can be accurately compared to David:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David

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David conquers the city of Jerusalem and establishes it as Israel's capital

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Israel

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Under Trump, the U.S. recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel[377]

Rightists should stop claiming to follow Jesus and just present themselves as followers of David.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on September 08, 2022, 02:35:58 am
Old Testament fundamentalists cannot be reasoned with:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/d-rather-stay-prison-century-174937427.html

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Enoch Burke, an evangelical Christian, was jailed for contempt of court on Monday after breaching the injunction not to go to or try to teach at Wilson’s Hospital School in Co Westmeath.

Burke was arrested after turning up to the school “to work”  after a disciplinary process begun after he refused to refer to a transgender student as “they”.
...
He said transgenderism was contrary to scripture, and that in this instance he would “only obey God,” and would “not obey man”.
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Despite his paid suspension, he would turn up at the school for “meetings” or simply to sit in an empty classroom declaring he was ready to teach before his arrest earlier this week.

Why not simply shoot him for trespassing the first time he showed up after being banned from campus premises?
Title: Re: Homophobia is not American
Post by: christianbethel on September 11, 2022, 10:12:45 pm
https://youtu.be/uZAJYHFx4Bk
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on October 14, 2022, 10:21:00 pm
Our enemy Duchesne has officially lost his mind:

https://twitter.com/dr_duchesne/status/1581071718700830721

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In the major paintings I have examined Adam and Eve are portrayed as European. This means they are European.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfEYGa0WIAAku5t?format=jpg&name=medium)

https://twitter.com/dr_duchesne/status/1581088852499779586

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How come in every painting I have examined, Adam and Eve are European? It follows that they are European. This is by the great Rubens (1577-1640) "Adam and Eve".

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfEn6KfWAAAJTDR?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 06, 2022, 12:20:44 am
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/03/uproar-after-irish-priest-says-varadkar-and-other-gay-politicians-will-go-to-hell

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A Catholic priest has caused uproar in Ireland after declaring that the deputy prime minister, Leo Varadkar, and other gay politicians will go to hell.

Fr Seán Sheehy, 65, condemned homosexuality, trans rights and abortion rights from the pulpit and in media interviews this week, drawing widespread censure, including from his own bishop.
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The bishop of Kerry, Raymond Browne, apologised and said Sheehy’s views did not “represent the Christian position”.

Of coure Browne is correct. See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg13971/#msg13971
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 07, 2022, 09:11:26 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ahrens-christian-nationalism-isnt-christianity-103142157.html

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A growing number of people have lost track of Christian faith and values and replaced them with a devastatingly corrupt and disturbed idea: Christian nationalism.
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Let’s be clear, Christian nationalism is not Christianity.

Recently, Episcopal Church Presiding Bishop Michael Curry said, "If you look at the complex of white Christian nationalism as an ideology and you lay it alongside Jesus of Nazareth, we are not even talking about the same thing."
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With hundreds of far-right political candidates using Christ's name to deny election results, demonize their opponents, and spread dangerous conspiracy theories, all with the blessing of pastors and televangelists, the name of Jesus is disparaged and mockery is made of true Christians.
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Like wolves in sheep skins, they hide behind their true purpose, which is bigotry, racism, separation of people and our nation — all in the name of Jesus. 

Jesus would never approve of this. He would call them what they are — false prophets and blasphemers of our faith. More clearly, as in Matthew 23:17, Jesus would call them “Blind fools!”
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on November 15, 2022, 09:08:51 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhpnouDVQAA41XY?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on December 08, 2022, 06:39:00 pm
"Apollonian" Identitarian Mark Brahmin admits Christianity is anti-racist:
https://twitter.com/MarkBrahmin/status/1600886642222546944?cxt=HHwWgIC-ter6vrcsAAAA
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MarkBrahmin☀️🇷🇺🤝🇺🇦☮︎
@MarkBrahmin
6/Christianity of course is not "racist." Quite the contrary: it is antiracist. More Christianity is no longer viable or at least among Whites. The West has grown strong in spite of Christianity and often against it. This is not to deny the importance of a religio-culture, it is
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 31, 2022, 07:39:02 pm
Good riddance:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/31/former-pope-benedict-xvi-dies-aged-95

(https://media.guim.co.uk/3a21fc5e8347a67ad4b727680746ba2479a70a93/0_196_2048_1152/1000.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI

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When Benedict ascended to the Papacy his election was welcomed by the Anti-Defamation League who noted "his great sensitivity to Jewish history and the Holocaust".[147]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI_and_Judaism

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Shortly after his election the Pontiff visited the Cologne synagogue where, speaking to Jewish leaders, he condemned Nazi ideology as "insane" and committed to strengthening ties of "friendship" between the Catholic Church and Jews.[3]
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In his 2011 book Jesus of Nazareth: Holy Week, Pope Benedict exonerated Jews of allegations they were responsible for Jesus Christ’s death

In contrast:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI_Islam_controversy

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"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."[160]
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His larger point here was that, generally speaking, in Christianity, God is understood to act in accordance with reason, while in Islam, God's absolute transcendence means that "God is not bound even by his own word", and can act in ways contrary to reason, including self-contradiction. At the end of his lecture, the Pope said, "It is to the great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures."
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Pope Benedict's lecture was a "calculated risk", a move designed to win the hearts of the Christians of the Eastern Orthodox Church who are surrounded by Muslims and whom Pope Benedict would be visiting in November 2006.

Further evidence of Benedict's absolute evil (back to previous link):

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The Dalai Lama congratulated Benedict XVI upon his election,[166] and visited him in October 2006 in the Vatican City.
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While visiting Brazil in May 2007, "the pope sparked controversy by saying that native populations had been 'silently longing' for the Christian faith brought to South America by colonizers."[168] The Pope continued, stating that "the proclamation of Jesus and of his Gospel did not at any point involve an alienation of the pre-Columbus cultures, nor was it the imposition of a foreign culture."[168] The then president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, demanded an apology, and an indigenous organisation in Ecuador issued a response which stated that "representatives of the Catholic Church of those times, with honourable exceptions, were accomplices, deceivers and beneficiaries of one of the most horrific genocides of all humanity."[168]
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: SirGalahad on December 31, 2022, 08:29:18 pm
People online are trying to paint him as a Nazi sympathizer because of him being a former Hitler Youth member, completely ignoring the fact that:

1. Even the Wikipedia article mentions that he was an unenthusiastic member, and that both he and his family hated the Nazis even back then

2. Membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory for all German boys past a certain age, so OF COURSE he's gonna be a "former Hitler Youth member"

What I hate the most about people who knowingly or unknowingly peddle misinformation, is that by the time people start to actually CORRECT the misinformation, tens of thousands and even hundreds of thousands of people have already seen it, and left believing that it was true
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest78 on December 31, 2022, 11:47:15 pm
People online are trying to paint him as a Nazi sympathizer because of him being a former Hitler Youth member, completely ignoring the fact that:

1. Even the Wikipedia article mentions that he was an unenthusiastic member, and that both he and his family hated the Nazis even back then

2. Membership in the Hitler Youth was mandatory for all German boys past a certain age, so OF COURSE he's gonna be a "former Hitler Youth member"

What I hate the most about people who knowingly or unknowingly peddle misinformation, is that by the time people start to actually CORRECT the misinformation, tens of thousands and even hundreds of thousands of people have already seen it, and left believing that it was true

But, do you not also understand that "nazism" is a right-wing ideology because a mysterious majority of people somewhere on the internet said it was so?:  ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nazism

Westerners\Jews are not mentally or spiritually well people, it's obvious to sane and spiritually well people!

The original DAP was started by 4 devoted people...

(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-never-doubt-that-a-small-group-of-thoughtful-committed-citizens-can-change-the-world-margaret-mead-19-60-05.jpg)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on January 01, 2023, 12:18:43 pm
The Catholic "church" is a branch out of the tree of the jewish synagogue of satan. It need's to be burned down to destruction, along with its degenerate architecture and it's **** priests.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 09, 2023, 06:46:56 pm
Mainstream journalism belatedly begins to understand the difference between Judaism and Christianity:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/does-bible-homosexuality-starters-jesus-141828433.html

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What does the Bible say about homosexuality? For starters, Jesus wasn't a homophobe
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Those who would exclude homosexuals from God’s kingdom choose to ignore Jesus, turning instead to the Old Testament

Was that difficult? No. So why did we have to wait so long?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on February 26, 2023, 10:12:26 pm
On the topic of (corrupted) New Testament Humanism vs Old Testament ethnotribalism, I think those Westerners with Gentile blood memory will tend to follow the former (i.e. Trad Caths), while those with Turanian blood memory will tend to follow the latter (i.e. Christian Identity). Of course, this is not to say that those with Gentile blood memory cannot exhibit ethnotribalist attitudes, but they will not ditch the New Testament entirely and claim to be "True Israelites", unlike the Turanists.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 06, 2023, 07:36:31 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/evangelical-christians-flock-republicans-over-080021625.html

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Evangelical Christians flock to Republicans over support for Israel
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Hagee founded Christians United for Israel (CUFI), a group that claims 11 million members, who have had a significant influence on Republican party politics and in hardening Washington’s already strong support for Israel.

President Donald Trump made no secret of his desire to keep Hagee and Christian Zionist voters happy as a key part of his base by abandoning even the pretense that the US was a neutral player in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Former South Carolina governor and current White House hopeful Nikki Haley recognised Hagee’s power within the most important religious bloc of Republican voters and their influence over political priorities, from anti-abortion laws to Israel policy, when she invited him to give the invocation at her presidential campaign launch last month.
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Daniel Hummel, the author of Covenant Brothers: Evangelicals, Jews, and US-Israeli relations, said evangelical support for Israel is principally grounded in two differing theological arguments.

The better-known is rooted in apocalyptic interpretations of the Bible and the role of Israel in the second coming of Jesus and the “end times”. Hummel said a key part of that is a uniquely American theological tradition known as dispensationalism.
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But Hummel said that a second strand of Christian Zionism has moved to the fore in recent years, in which evangelicals draw on a verse from the Old Testament’s Book of Genesis.

“They take very literally where God says to Abraham, ‘I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse.’ They see Abraham as a stand-in for the Jewish people, and so their reading of that passage is that the way to accrue blessings from God is to bless the Jewish people. They interpret that to mean support for the state of Israel,” he said.

“You see pastors talking about individual people being blessed if they support Israel, whether that’s voting for politicians that say they support Israel, or actually giving money to Israel or touring Israel, which is contributing to the economy. I also see this on a national level. You see a lot of rhetoric around the decline of American society or declining American power abroad being tied to insufficient support for Israel or consideration of Israel’s interests.”
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“Hagee is a Pentecostal preacher who has made the ‘apocalyptic’ argument for supporting Israel, but more commonly relies on the ‘blessing’ interpretation in framing problems in American society around the need for a foreign policy that opposes Israel’s enemies, such as Iran.”
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on March 07, 2023, 02:41:44 pm
These rightist "whites" are really eager and happy to be shabbos goys. There can be no doubt, these are the damned ones.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 12, 2023, 01:23:14 am
Francis is definitively an Old Testament follower:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-francis-gender-ideology-one-152612764.html

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"Gender ideology, today, is one of the most dangerous ideological colonizations," Francis said in the conversation

The pope made the comments in a March 10 interview with Argentinian newspaper La Nación — the conversation was translated into English by the Catholic News Agency.

"Why is it dangerous?" he continued. "Because it blurs differences and the value of men and women."

All humanity is the tension of differences. It is to grow through the tension of differences," the pope said. "The question of gender is diluting the differences and making the world the same, all dull, all alike, and that is contrary to the human vocation."

It is contrary to the Yahwist vocation:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-degendering/msg5246/#msg5246

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Right (and False Left):

"In His own image created He them; male and female created He them." - Tanakh

but part of the Christian vocation:

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True Left:

"When you make the male and the female one, so that the male will not be male nor the female female ... then will you enter the Kingdom.” - Jesus
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on March 30, 2023, 09:45:32 pm
Extremely rare nowadays, a Red(!) politician standing up for actual Christianity:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3924174-texas-republican-threatens-to-vote-no-on-debt-ceiling-if-gop-brings-up-unchristian-anti-immigrant-bills/

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Texas Republican threatens to vote ‘no’ on debt ceiling if GOP brings up ‘unchristian anti-immigrant bills’

Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-Texas) on Wednesday threatened to vote “no” on any effort to raise the debt ceiling if the GOP brings “unchristian, anti-immigrant bills” to the floor.

“Bring unchristian, anti-immigrant bills to the floor and I am a NO on the debt ceiling,” Gonzales, who represents more than 40 percent of the U.S.-Mexico border, tweeted.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on April 26, 2023, 04:58:19 pm
https://www.gospels.net/judas

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Jesus said, "Truly I say [to you], this baptism  [which they've received in] my name […] will destroy the whole generation of the earthly Adam.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on May 04, 2023, 06:02:13 pm
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/jam-meyer.html

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Be filled with spirit but lack in reason, for reason is of the soul. It is soul. -Jesus

The western politician and western scientist is what being filled with the soul looks like.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on May 08, 2023, 06:26:14 pm
The more light that is added to the statue, the more the fire of the world will burn hotter and move swifter.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on May 11, 2023, 05:52:47 pm
The demon of death stalks me in it's lustful hatred, very soon this world demon will be locked up in its cage and I'll be able to get to work.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 12, 2023, 05:06:28 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/news/pope-cross-woman-wanted-blessing-155010105.html

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Pope Francis has recounted how he lost his patience when he was asked to bless a pet dog, complaining to a conference on Italy’s sharply falling birth rates that pets are replacing children.
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He told a story of a woman whom he met at a Vatican audience two weeks ago who asked for a blessing for “her baby” which turned out to be a small dog.

“I greeted the lady, she opened her bag and said ‘bless my baby’. It was a little dog.

“I lost my patience and upbraided her, saying madam, so many children are hungry and you bring me a little dog,” he told the conference.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/

Continuing:

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Couples who do not procreate deny themselves the joys of parenthood, a decision which “diminishes us, takes away our humanity”, he said.

You yourself just said so many children are hungry. So why are you calling for more children to be added?

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The conference in Rome brought together Giorgia Meloni, the prime minister, along with government ministers and the Pope, who has referred to the crisis as Italy’s “demographic winter”.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/JxsLGRwjGv16aLqRXD9gLw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTYwMDtjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/the_telegraph_258/295cf43b4d2977519780c8d35743f023)

So that's why.....

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/fdi/
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on May 15, 2023, 06:10:18 pm
Too obvious not to be seen:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/christian-leaders-abomination-bible-cause-152255598.html

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Many on the religious right call members of the LGBTQ community an "abomination," using Biblical scriptures to justify their stance against queer and transgender rights and inclusion.

But some within the Christian community have flipped the script, saying the real "abomination" is threatening people's lives with anti-LGBTQ laws and policies.

"As a Christian leader, it's horrifying to me that Christianity and the Bible are being used by the religious right to bludgeon people through these many bills," Rev. Dr. Serene Jones, the president of Union Theological Seminary in New York City, told The Associated Press.

Except it is  not Christianity being used by the right. It is Judaism.

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many church leaders from the Southern Baptist Convention and the Catholic Church have been instrumental in the crusade against LGBTQ acceptance and inclusion for decades. Pope Francis, who has said the Church cannot recognize same-sex marriage, has denounced anti-gay laws.  That stance has drawn criticism from conservative Catholics for his positions.

And in 2021, the Southern Baptist Convention campaigned against the Equality Act – a bill that included protections against discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation – saying it went against "God's good design of males and females and heterosexuality as clearly expressed in Scripture."

That was the Old Testament.

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"The larger message there is a message of love and inclusion," Jones said.

You are talking about the New Testament.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 2ThaSun on May 15, 2023, 06:43:48 pm
"You yourself just said so many children are hungry. So why are you calling for more children to be added?"

What a disturbing photo of Francis in that post! Common sense clearly isn't Francis's strong suit either, but common sense resides in the mind not in a man's testicles I think? Wtf, seriously!!!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 2ThaSun on May 27, 2023, 04:59:02 pm
I doubt this Pastor "hates" the LGBTQ community, but rather feels that they threaten the SURVIVAL of humanity itself. He is most likely a tribalist, and supports Judaism rather than Christianity.

Bigoted Pastor Threatens VILE Hate Crimes To Followers On Stage
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An extremist preacher makes horrific calls for violence against the LGBTQ community and parents of trans kids after recently playing the victim for his hate being exposed on Twitter. John Iadarola and Maz Jobrani break it down on The Damage Report.

Read more here:

Hate pastor says trans-supportive parents should be “shot in back of the head” - https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/05/h...

"A hate preacher told his church’s congregation that parents who allow their children to have “a transgender surgery” should be shot in the back of the head and hung from a bridge as an example to the public. However, gender-affirming genital surgeries aren’t conducted on children.

These comments came from Jason Graber — a New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) preacher at Sure Foundation Baptist Church in Spokane, Washington.

“Any parent that would have their child, would have a transgender surgery done on them, any parent that would do that, they just need to be shot in the back of the head,” Graber said. “They need to be convicted in trial and immediately shot in the back of the head. Okay, and then we can string them up above a bridge so that the public can see the consequences of that kind of wickedness.”"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUM-Qqe3Cps

Compared to Catharism:
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Cathars believed human spirits were the sexless spirits of angels trapped in the material realm of the evil god, destined to be reincarnated until they achieved salvation through the consolamentum, a form of baptism performed when death is imminent, when they would return to the good God...
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/catharism-the-'good-christians'/

Jesus didn't have much to say about sex...

What about the Prophet Muhammad:

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...The Islamic sexual morality is also fundamentally different from the new sexual morality in a sense that it does not accept the concept of free sex. Islam aims at teaching its followers not to suppress their sexual urges, rather to fulfil them but in a responsible way.

Islam recognizes the sexual needs of human beings and believes that the natural instincts should be nurtured, not suppressed. Islam says that the biological parts of our body have a purpose; they have not been created uselessly. No text in Islam can be found to equate sex with inherent evil or sin; whatever has been taught by the Qur'an, Prophet Muhammad and his Ahlu'l-bayt points in the opposite direction.

What the Qur'an and the authentic sunnah and I emphasize on authentic have said about sex and marriage will now be discussed under the following headings: Islam has very highly recommended marriage as a good deed and not as a lesser of two evils; Islam has very strongly opposed celibacy and monasticism, and Islam believes that marriage is not a hindrance in spiritual wayfaring, on the contrary it helps the wayfarer.
https://www.al-islam.org/marriage-and-morals-islam-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/chapter-two-islamic-sexual-morality-1-its-foundation

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/jesus-said-'allah'-not-'deus-'/

Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: Zea_mays on June 10, 2023, 12:20:44 pm
Bloodthirsty Yahwehist (Jason Graber):
(https://i.redd.it/2luwu4r0111b1.png)

vs Jesus:

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And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. -Matthew 18:3-4

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Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” -Matthew 19:14

(https://i.redd.it/9y6ao3fot21b1.jpeg)

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Judeo-"Christians" are now admitting they don't even like Jesus's teachings?

(https://i.redd.it/7dzbwhq6um2b1.jpg)

(https://i.redd.it/g1jrwy1zgq2b1.png)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 15, 2023, 11:29:46 pm
Quote of the day (in bold):

https://www.outkick.com/bishop-declares-white-people-demonic-force-of-evil/

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Bishop Talbert Swan
Whiteness is an unrelenting, demonic force of evil.
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Actually, his best work came when he said white people “can’t find the time to be Christian” because they “are so busy being white.“
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on June 19, 2023, 04:08:49 pm
https://catholicreview.org/ending-racism-demands-hard-spiritual-work-eucharistic-commitment-says-archbishop-perez-in-pastoral-letter/

Ending racism demands ‘hard spiritual work,’ Eucharistic commitment, says Archbishop Pérez in pastoral letter

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Philadelphia Archbishop Nelson J. Pérez has issued a pastoral letter on racial healing, addressing “the grave sin of racism” and urging faithful to “embark on a journey of conversion” as believers in Jesus Christ and his real presence in the Eucharist.

“We cannot deny that racism persists within the body of Christ … (inflicting) immense pain, division, and injustice in our Church, our communities and our world,” said the archbishop

“Philadelphia has a long history of hometown saints who dedicated their lives to fighting racism and discrimination like St. John Neumann, St. Katharine Drexel and St. Frances Cabrini,” wrote Archbishop Pérez.

Yet “despite their monumental efforts and the work of so many others, this evil continues to poison our souls, our church, our relationships with one another and with God,” he said. “Racism shreds the fabric of our communities, hinders our unity and impedes the building of God’s kingdom on earth.”

In February, three students left the archdiocese’s St. Hubert Catholic High School for Girls, located in Philadelphia, after being investigated for creating a social media video featuring blackface and racial slurs.

The incident drew both national attention and a swift response from Archbishop Pérez and his Commission on Racial Healing, established in 2021.

In May, Archbishop Pérez and the 18-member commission — comprised mostly of lay archdiocesan parishioners — unveiled a short film in both English and Spanish stressing the destructive nature of racism and the shared responsibility to counter it.

Citing the Catechism of the Catholic Church (No. 1869), Archbishop Pérez noted that “racism is not limited to individual sin,” but “(makes) men accomplices of one another,” thereby creating “structures of sin that in turn give rise to social situations and institutions contrary to the divine goodness.”

As Catholics, we are compelled to recognize that racism is a stain upon the body of Christ – and if one part of the body suffers, ‘all the parts suffer with it,’ (as) St. Paul tells us,” said Archbishop Pérez, citing 1 Cor 12:26. “That means that whatever wounds one, even if unintentional, is everyone’s responsibility to heal.”

Combatting racism “will take hard spiritual work,” including “prayerful reflection, unflinching examination of conscience and a commitment to unlearning conscious and unconscious biases that may have taken root in each of us,” Archbishop Pérez said.

“We cannot call ourselves a eucharistic people and harbor racism,” he said, adding that Archbishop Pérez’s letter “fits perfectly” with Corpus Christi.



Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 2ThaSun on June 20, 2023, 02:28:27 pm
Peter Wehner: Evangelical support for Trump raises questions about the movement
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The Atlantic's Peter Wehner joins Morning Joe to discuss his latest piece on how Donald Trump's behavior has been a test of character of GOP politicians and voters and the evangelical movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HtFWOaNUlo

Comments:

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It's frankly EMBARRASSING that none of you saw this coming. The GOP has been courting this longer than I've been alive. They started this with the Southern Strategy in the 70s. Thats where this began, and this is ALWAYS where it was leading.
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These people haven't been conned. They know exactly what trump is and they love it. I've no sympathy any longer for any trump supporter. Some may be ignorant but most are just evil.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 20, 2023, 04:28:55 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/news/video-man-causes-scene-demands-142835369.html

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Video: Man causes scene, demands refund from Chinese restaurant after seeing Buddha statue
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Video details: The clip starts with a man in a blue long sleeve shirt demanding a refund from the Chinese restaurant in Albuquerque after seeing the Buddha statue, explaining that he is a Christian. Another man in a grey shirt can also be seen shaking his head in disbelief as he tries to speak with the other man.

After the video zooms out, a manager can be seen speaking with the upset man from the doorway, denying him his request for a refund and telling him, “There is nothing I can do for you. … Yeah, I am the manager. That’s racist, and I’m not giving you a refund.”

The video shows their argument continuing for a few more minutes until one of the customers inside finally puts an end to it by yelling at the Christian man, “Shut up, sir! Shut up.”

Of course he is not a Christian. An authentic Christian would have a positive view of Buddhism:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/gnosticism/msg17903/#msg17903

Woke comments:

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Christian?! Christ never would have acted this way.

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He isn't a Christian. He's a "Christian".

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He follows the teachings of neither Buddha nor Jesus.

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If you honestly believe jesus would not eat with buddah then you clearly failed his teachings.

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Typical right-wing pseudo-Christian.

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evangelical filth. These pigs are not Christian.

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Not a Christian man.   A Christian man would not have behaved this way.

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JC would flip him like the table of the money changers.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on June 24, 2023, 08:11:18 pm
As I have said from the beginning, the Amish are Old Testament followers just like the rest:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/experts-explain-complicated-relationship-between-144500758.html

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Experts explain complicated relationship between Amish communities and the environment: ‘It really isn’t [idyllic] at all’
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The post linked an article from Religion News that explored this relationship, citing certain harmful farming practices and dirty energy usage that seem to fly in the face of the perception of the environmental stewardship of these communities.
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“They believe that God gave the Earth to people for them to use,” McConnell told Religion News
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diesel and gasoline generators often serve as prime energy sources for Amish appliances and farm equipment. Burning either fuel significantly contributes to air pollution that worsens air quality and drives the overheating of our planet.

Religion News reports that the few remaining Amish households headed by farmers often use harmful pesticides and chemical fertilizers that wreak havoc on local ecosystems and pollute waterways. The Amish have been under fire in several states for farming practices that degrade vital watersheds.
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“A lot of people from the cities where I’m from look at the Amish and think, ‘What an idyllic sustainable lifestyle, so different from our modern one,” the original poster wrote. “Except it really isn’t [idyllic] at all, it’s a largely separate insular economy from ours, but uses and benefits from a lot of the short term extractivist and careless land practices that has got modern America into the mess its in today.”

See also:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/to-the-people-of-atlantis/comment-page-1/#comment-65057

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The Amish stress strict obedience in their children, and this is taught and enforced by parents and preachers. Several passages in the Bible are used to support this view. Their children, as with all children, may resist a parent’s request. However, things such as tantrums, making faces, calling another bad names, and general disobedience are rare because the child knows that those actions will result in corporal punishment. Any youthful dissatisfactions are usually verbally expressed, but profanity is never allowed because the guilty child can expect swift punishment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_way_of_life#Child_discipline

Indeed, one look at the high sexual dimorphism of their clothes suffices to reveal their inferiority:

(https://blog.geveo.com/img/hf_1_2021_06_16.jpg)

Woke comments:

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They are immoral weirdos that abuse the environment and kids.

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They make excuses and exceptions to technology so they can benefit from it, they use horrible chemicals on their farms. All they are doing is making the average person believe they are somehow different in order to drive up sales of overpriced goods.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on July 15, 2023, 05:14:02 am
(https://i.redd.it/mqxaisyov4961.jpg)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 10, 2023, 09:45:27 pm
https://us.yahoo.com/news/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-163440579.html

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Christianity Today Editor: Evangelicals Call Jesus “Liberal” and “Weak”
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“When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”

Moore said he thinks a large part of the issue is how divisive U.S. politics are, which is now spilling over into the church. He pointed to how a lot of issues are “packaged in terms of existential threat,” leading to the belief among everyone, not just evangelical Christians, that “desperate times call for desperate measures.”

It makes sense, then, that evangelical Christians would embrace Trump, who portrayed himself as the answer to many of those supposed existential threats. Trump both campaigned and governed on a largely evangelical Christian platform. He moved the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem; he **** down on immigration from majority-Muslim countries; and he appointed multiple conservative judges, including to the Supreme Court, which has swung sharply right.

From the comments:

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So the right is really not "Christian."  So what does that really make them?

Old Testament followers.

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It's ironic.  If Jesus was actually around today, he'd be called socialist, woke, liberal, extreme, etc... The very figure that Christianity is supposed to be built on would be vilified by Christians.

Because they are not Christians. They are Old Testament followers.

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They've never believed in the teachings of Jesus. They've just parlayed religion into big business, power and wealth.

Which is what the Old Testament teaches.

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Conservative "Christians" will crucify Jesus again when he returns to Earth

Just like the Old Testament followers crucifed him the first time.

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It's no news that the evangelicals would be the first to nail Jesus to a cross. They hate everything that he actually taught.

Just like those Old Testament followers who crucified him the first time.

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"Christian"/// Nah - they're following the AntiChrist...

The Antichrist is the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament.

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These people would make Jesus throw up in disgust. They are the opposite of everything Jesus stood for.

So were Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, Solomon, etc..

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I left the evangelical religion of my youth 50 years ago, when I left home for college.  Even then, many of the parishioners were bigoted and mean-spirited.  Even then, most of the sermons dealt with (in this order):

1)    Battles and violence from the Old Testament.

2)    The writings of Paul

This.
Title: Western Degenerate Sport
Post by: antihellenistic on August 18, 2023, 12:15:36 am
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/955e31216bc9d03c411d53e1fcd9b4fa/12c4a1ee62376e35-40/s1280x1920/a1236f194132e3e65247c7f60b9053deac33edfb.jpg)

About muscular sport :

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The word gymnastics is derived from the Greek word gymnazein which literally means "to exercise naked".[3] In ancient Greece and Rome, a public place devoted to athletes training, called gymnasion (plural: gymnasia) for Greeks and palaestra (plural: palaestrae) for Romans existed in cities. Fitness was regarded as a concept shaped by two cultural codes: rationalization and asceticism; authenticity and hedonism, respectively. In Greece, gymnastic excellence was regarded as a noble and godly pursuit, and was included in a complete education.

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From around 1800, gymnastics developed in Western countries was meant to enhance body in order to sustain public morals and to mold better citizens.[5] Pehr Henrik Ling was a pioneer in the teaching of physical education in Sweden, and he sought to reform and improve the gymnastics of the ancient Greeks. In 1850, the Supreme Medical Board of Russia reported to their emperor on Ling's system, that by improving one's overall fitness, an athlete became superior to those who merely focused on a subset of muscles or actions.[4] In the mid 19th century the world saw the rise of physical culture, a movement that emphasized the importance of physical exercise for men, women, and children alike. Diocletian Lewis, a physician, even advocated for males and females exercising together in the gym.[6] In 1896 Men's gymnastics was on the schedule of the first modern Olympics. The Olympic gymnastic competition for women began in 1928.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitness_culture
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 18, 2023, 07:11:55 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity

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The movement came into vogue during the Victorian era as a method of building character in pupils at English public schools. It is most often associated with English author Thomas Hughes and his 1857 novel Tom Brown's School Days, as well as writers Charles Kingsley and Ralph Connor.[1] American President Theodore Roosevelt was raised in a household that practised Muscular Christianity and was a prominent adherent to the movement.[2]
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Muscular Christianity can be traced back to Paul the Apostle, who used athletic metaphors to describe the challenges of a Christian life.[9]

To be fair, however, gymnastics is not specifically mentioned anywhere in this link (whereas your 'Fitness culture' link does not mention Muscular Christianity at all). If anything, football is considered to be most associated with Muscular Christianity:

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An early pioneers of Muscular Christianity in the US was Amos Alonzo Stagg, a Yale-educated football coach

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Sports were incorporated directly into many mission schools to promote muscular Christianity, as administrators and missionaries believed sports such as football shared many of the same values.[38] The effect mission schools like Adams College in South Africa had was seen through the demographics of football players

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It was the establishment of Western-style schools across the continent that brought about Muscular Christianity along with the introduction of European football teams.

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Missionary schools were among the first to incorporate football into their programs, to make sure every student was playing.

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Christianity and association football – followers of Muscular Christianity established several of England's leading football teams

So why are you ignoring football and bringing up gymnastics instead??

(At least gymnastics isn't played on grass:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/olympics/msg7795/#msg7795 )
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on August 18, 2023, 09:10:25 pm
Are your talking about "American" Football or European Football (soccer) or both?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 18, 2023, 09:23:25 pm
Both, plus rugby.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: antihellenistic on August 18, 2023, 09:51:30 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity

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The movement came into vogue during the Victorian era as a method of building character in pupils at English public schools. It is most often associated with English author Thomas Hughes and his 1857 novel Tom Brown's School Days, as well as writers Charles Kingsley and Ralph Connor.[1] American President Theodore Roosevelt was raised in a household that practised Muscular Christianity and was a prominent adherent to the movement.[2]
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Muscular Christianity can be traced back to Paul the Apostle, who used athletic metaphors to describe the challenges of a Christian life.[9]

To be fair, however, gymnastics is not specifically mentioned anywhere in this link (whereas your 'Fitness culture' link does not mention Muscular Christianity at all). If anything, football is considered to be most associated with Muscular Christianity:

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An early pioneers of Muscular Christianity in the US was Amos Alonzo Stagg, a Yale-educated football coach

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Sports were incorporated directly into many mission schools to promote muscular Christianity, as administrators and missionaries believed sports such as football shared many of the same values.[38] The effect mission schools like Adams College in South Africa had was seen through the demographics of football players

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It was the establishment of Western-style schools across the continent that brought about Muscular Christianity along with the introduction of European football teams.

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Missionary schools were among the first to incorporate football into their programs, to make sure every student was playing.

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Christianity and association football – followers of Muscular Christianity established several of England's leading football teams

So why are you ignoring football and bringing up gymnastics instead??

(At least gymnastics isn't played on grass:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/olympics/msg7795/#msg7795 )

Because football can be played without using grass field. And different from muscular sports, football can be played with cheap price and not resulting moral degeneration into aggressiveness. Turanized sports like gymnazein and muscle bodybuilding are inferior than football which can be de-westernized on playing it. Remember Eugene Sandow...
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 18, 2023, 10:12:57 pm
The grass is just a side point. The main point is that you started out criticizing Muscular Christianity, which is associated with football, not with gymnastics, yet you brought up gymnastics for no apparent reason. You can criticize gymnastics separately, but it makes no sense to blame Muscular Christianity for it, given gymnastics predates Muscular Christianity.

"Turanized sports like gymnazein"

Are you referring to the pommel horse event? Let's eliminate all sports involving real horses before we worry about that!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: antihellenistic on August 19, 2023, 12:04:40 am
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"Turanized sports like gymnazein"

Are you referring to the pommel horse event? Let's eliminate all sports involving real horses before we worry about that!

Of course, including body-building too which you consider reduces people's empathy and increases people's aggressiveness. Remember the Jew, Eugene Sandow. All kinds of sports that resulting useless competition activities which divide society must be eliminated. I prefer Hitler's ordinary walking sport which involves no competition at all. Even Hitler was not having muscle and not did do body-building activity
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 19, 2023, 01:33:38 am
Bodybuilding =/= gymnastics.....

Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on August 19, 2023, 07:19:43 pm
Soccer was invented by a western country, but i still like the sport.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 19, 2023, 07:30:51 pm
"Soccer was invented by a western country"

Untrue:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-and-sexism/msg15360/#msg15360

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it seems the first games in which the main technique involved kicking a ball originated in China. The game of Cuju was also played in Korea, Japan and Vietnam and dated back to the fourth century BC.


Westerners introduced playing it on grass (which is our main objection).
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on August 23, 2023, 05:46:41 pm
Russian Orthodox "Christianity":
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1692445936587288764?t=J4UVn9mWmVRaAyYYChphgg&s=19
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This is surely the hotchpotch ideology of Putin’s Russia at its worst

An Orthodox priest blessed a new statue of Stalin before telling the assembled crowd: "Yes, the Church suffered under Stalin. But, thanks to this, we now have lots of new Russian martyrs to whom we can pray"
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on August 26, 2023, 05:23:51 pm
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ari-blaff-toronto-schools-anti-racism-trainer-demands-religious-blind-faith

Ari Blaff: Toronto schools' anti-racism trainer demands religious blind faith

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The disturbing rhetoric of Kike Ojo-Thompson during her infamous session with Toronto District School Board (TDSB) has raised concerns about what diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) facilitators are allowed to say and how they are permitted to treat people.

Now, footage of a seminar led by Ojo-Thompson for Halton Catholic District School Board in June 2020, which had been posted to YouTube by the board, includes an explicit appeal to “God and all people of colour to forgive us.”

The recording of the seminar shows board chairman Marvin Duarte leading a gathering of senior administrators in prayer before introducing Ojo-Thompson

While such invocations are common in religious school boards when it comes to collectively singing “Our Father,” for instance, the explicit appeal to heavenly bodies to rid society of the scourge of systemic racism is striking.

“With this prayer God, we acknowledged the depths of evils that have been perpetrated against Black people in North America. From slavery, to lynchings, to white supremacist laws,” Duarte reads from a black presentation slide with words emblazoned in white. “We apologize, and ask God and all people of colour to forgive us.”

It isn’t the only religiously tinged thing that happens before Ojo-Thompson speaks. Prior to Duarte’s plea, a senior administrator forces participants to sit through a “seven-and-a-half minute” recording of an Indigenous land acknowledgement with a similar bend of spiritual self-flagellation. “Let me bow down to you, my friend and sister, for the pain that you have endured for the lives lost for the injustices, for my part in the inequality and discrimination and disparity,”

When the equity consultant finally begins her session, Ojo-Thompson is somewhat muted — seemingly less self-assured in those days before anti-racist thinking became mainstreamed.

Remarkably, educators are willing and eager to challenge Ojo-Thompson, blissfully unaware that soon such questioning will be deemed white supremacist and bigoted

“The role of slavery in relation to race and racism and anti-Blackness often gets muddled into this conversation of the larger human practice of enslavement,” Ojo-Thompson responds. “The basis, so what the slavery that I’m talking about here is, uh, the transatlantic slave trade,” she continues. “Because it was the only slavery that was based on this junk science called ‘race’ in the first place.”

“When we talk about Slavic or intercultural slavery, that would’ve been what was going on on the continent in Europe. You have people who today, for example, would be called white. Because remember: this notion of white and Black didn’t exist then, right? So, people weren’t enslaving Slavic people because they were white, for example. You could enslave people who were considered, what’s the word? Barbaric.”

However, Slavic slaves, known as Saqaliba in Arabic, were a prominent feature in the Islamic world, not only in Europe, particularly in North Africa during the Fatimid Dynasty.

Ojo-Thompson argues that Slavic enslavement “back then … was often based in who is considered civilized and who is not and that was often tied to religious affiliation.

Ojo-Thompson faces further pushback from a teacher upset by her comment equating, according to the teacher, “Catholicism and Christianity” to “power oppression,” under what Ojo-Thompson terms the racist legacy of “religious universalism.”

“I only spoke to Catholicism because they have a specific role. When we talk about Christopher Columbus, et cetera, I said that it was dominant. I didn’t say that they were bad,” Ojo-Thompson, says, apparently backpedalling. “There’s a difference between being dominant and bad, right?”

The teacher appears unconvinced. “So, you could be dominant and good?” he asks rhetorically. “Absolutely!” Ojo-Thompson replies. “Because you can’t change the fact that you’re dominant, but you can change your role!”

“Christianity is dominant. I didn’t speak to whether it was bad or good. I said it was dominant,” Ojo-Thompson explains. “I have to speak about Christianity if I’m gonna talk about power. It has power. It is dominant. That’s a fact. That’s factual.

In fact, what Ojo-Thompson said, prior to engaging with this particularly teacher, is that Christians used the idea of race to justify slavery. “They had to legitimize enslaving people. These were Christians and Catholics who were enslaving people for 400-plus years and had to legitimize it,” she said.

Ojo-Thompson interjects. “One of the ways that racism plays out is that when racism is being discussed, that people are resistant to the learnings from experts.

She then argues that the enslavement of Africans by Europeans was uniquely different. In other instances, “they did not take away name, language, religion or culture.”

“So while we had slavery in human history, it wasn’t rooted in the delegitimizing of the people’s humanity, like actually calling them subhuman. They were seen as less civil, less civilized, but they weren’t seen as subhuman.”

But what this moment is about, this moment that we’re in right now, is about people struggling with the core of what race and racism are about

Ojo-Thompson says that her work, and that of her allies, is career-endangering. “It is more dangerous to be anti-racist, meaning it costs you more in your career in education to be anti-racist than it does to be racist,” Ojo-Thompson argues.

“You know, when I say racist, I mean people who are doing active racist things, but I also mean people who are not doing anything, right?” Ojo-Thompson notes, minutes after her confrontation with the trustee. “If we’re not being anti-racist … then we are implicated in racism because it is around us.”

He then closes the class with another prayer imploring God “to enable us to see the reality of racism and free us to challenge and uproot it from our society.”


I'm not an enslaver, i have no intention or desire to enslave anyone. However there are people in the world who radiate impure and evil energies into the world, and this cannot be allowed to continue, so they must be stopped/blocked from being able to send out these energies into the world, this isn't enslaving this is purifying the air. In these times i have been tasked with opening up space and purifying the air so that Jesus is able to descend down to earth. Thanks to Judeo-christianity the subtle air of the earth has become very impure, all the angles have left and it has become a dwelling of the satans.

Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on August 31, 2023, 05:27:00 pm
Authentic Christianity:

https://thegoodnewsroom.org/cardinal-dolan-chastens-anti-migrant-protestors-at-closed-catholic-school-site/

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Cardinal Timothy Dolan pushed back against anti-migrant protestors who opposed the use of a former Catholic school site as a shelter, WINS 1010 reported Saturday.
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Cardinal Dolan hoped that residents would take a more compassionate view of the situation and remember the school’s history. “Most people say ‘These people deserve a place to live, just not here.’ Well no, we all have to take a deep breath and do our duty. You take St. John Villa, thank you, that used to be a Catholic school. Sadly, it’s closed, but the students that went there a century ago, they were asylum seekers,” Cardinal Dolan said in a telephone interview with WINS 1010 radio.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on September 04, 2023, 08:49:16 pm
https://twitter.com/BelovedAntioch/status/1683531139762511873?t=s-QbF5fH1Dg-YicoRE5pnA&s=19
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Vivek bases his views on his Hindu faith, we know that everything written after the Bible,
Along with the apostolic era are false doctrines.

Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things

How has finding "common ground" with those Judeo Christian values been working out for you so far Vivek?
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on September 07, 2023, 07:29:02 pm
The dragon of the outer darkness is being raised up, now it will face the final judgment and dissolve
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: guest98 on September 08, 2023, 04:33:11 pm
https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/2023-08-17-maga-mrga-worship-same-bloody-gods/

MAGA and MR(Russia)GA Worship the Same Bloody Gods

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Sergei Naryshkin, the head of Russia’s foreign intelligence agency, said, “Man is created in the image and likeness of God, but Westerners seek to replace him with all sorts of transgender people … Indeed, for a physically and spiritually healthy person, it’s unpleasant and sometimes even scary to arrive in Europe, given how many different kinds of perversions have bred there.”

both MAGA and MRGA effectively belong to the same International, though it’s not clear if we should call it the Nationalist International or the Orthodox International or the Homophobic International or the Misogynistic International or the Autocratic International or the Blood-and-Soil International or the Anti-Liberal or Anti-Democratic International. Maybe we should just call it the Buchanan International



Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: Scythe on September 17, 2023, 08:08:44 pm
Divine Alternatives: 10 Deities I'd Prefer Over The God Of The Bible
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Today's episode is a response to the comments I get about how there must be a god. These usually come from Christians, and they assume that god is Yahweh. Instead of talking about how we know Yahweh is not real, I thought it would be fun to switch it up and compare  10 other gods or deities worldwide. I believe these 10 gods all beat Yahweh in a moral competition any day. So, if we had to have a god, I'd choose one of these over the god of the bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsP8TfwWZnw

Yahweh is the god of Judaism and Judeo-Christianity, not Christianity.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: england on October 25, 2023, 05:08:12 am
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2023/10/22/church-england-joins-catholic-orthodox-churches-calls-ceasefire-israel-palestine/4051697987865/

Church of England joins Catholic, Orthodox churches in calls for ceasefire


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Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby, the primate of the Church of England, has joined Catholic and Orthodox leaders worldwide in calls for a ceasefire after Israel destroyed a Greek Orthodox Church in Gaza.

In these critical times, i suggest you turn to the straight path before its too late.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on November 04, 2023, 04:26:30 pm
https://twitter.com/MalcangiSarah/status/1720146933287678138?t=dnH6OwJ6VjSx0GxfeZeSDA&s=19
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Sarah Malcangi
@MalcangiSarah
The progressive left is clearly siding with radical Islam. It makes sense, they both reject Yahweh, the ONLY true God.

Going forward, don’t forget we are in a spiritual war. The enemy wants to shut us up. We know who will win but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F98wg6rWMAAPAEU?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: yahweh is falling on November 09, 2023, 07:00:22 pm
Yahweh is falling and now I'm becoming the demiurge now, you stupid jews must realize that it is unwise to shed the blood of your new god. My blood  that the blasphemers continually shed will now fall down from the heavens!
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: Unprecedented on November 10, 2023, 02:56:34 pm
How Evangelicals Betray Christians In The Holy Land [Pt. 2]
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For millions of American evangelical Christians, supporting Israel is a core part of their faith. They believe Israel needs to exist so that the “end times” prophecies and return of Jesus Christ are guaranteed.

But what does that support mean for people who share their religion but live under Israeli occupation? Dena talks to Palestinian Christians about the evangelical Christian Zionist movement.

0:50 What is Christian Zionism?
1:49 Why this American Christian has devoted her life to helping Israel
2:40 Christian Palestinians react to Christian Zionists
4:06 What some evangelicals believe the Bible says about the “end times”
7:01 Who’s behind the most powerful Christian Zionist organization?
9:04 Why do Christian Zionists support Israel’s oppression?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHT-SjIM0tA

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As a Catholic Christian, this is very eye opening and can't believe how some Christians have strayed far away from God'ss love because of racism and bigotry.

Actually, the God of the Old Testament\Judaism, Yahweh, supports racism, sexism, and bigotry.

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Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: rp on November 10, 2023, 08:53:10 pm
https://twitter.com/IsraelCriminal/status/1723156182658166802
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CrimesOfIsrael 🇵🇸 ✝︎
@IsraelCriminal
From another Christian Palestinian: Those who support the zionist genocide are NOT christian. They are judaizing heretics, re-imposing the old covenant, blaspheming against Christ's sacrifice on the Cross & His New Covenant. AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem ended the old covenant. (video)
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: EveryLivingThing on November 13, 2023, 10:15:33 pm
Dr. Ali Ataie on the Bible's Genocide Doctrine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J212L4w7O-g

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20 When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city. 21 They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

22 Joshua said to the two men who had spied out the land, “Go into the prostitute’s house and bring her out and all who belong to her, in accordance with your oath to her.” 23 So the young men who had done the spying went in and brought out Rahab, her father and mother, her brothers and sisters and all who belonged to her. They brought out her entire family and put them in a place outside the camp of Israel.

24 Then they burned the whole city and everything in it, but they put the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron into the treasury of the Lord’s house. 25 But Joshua spared Rahab the prostitute, with her family and all who belonged to her, because she hid the men Joshua had sent as spies to Jericho—and she lives among the Israelites to this day.

26 At that time Joshua pronounced this solemn oath: “Cursed before the Lord is the one who undertakes to rebuild this city, Jericho:

“At the cost of his firstborn son
    he will lay its foundations;
at the cost of his youngest
    he will set up its gates.”

27 So the Lord was with Joshua, and his fame spread throughout the land.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua%206&version=NIV
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: PalestineSolidarity on November 23, 2023, 03:43:40 am
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Jesus was Palestinian | Pastor Andy Oliver #palestine
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Pastor Andy Oliver on Jesus and Palestine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1aX9YJeR9M

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If you are a human with a heart and a brain, you should be standing with the oppressed and not the oppressors!
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AMEN. It’s been so long since I last listened to and agreed with someone I am not ashamed to call a Christian.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: pope on November 23, 2023, 08:32:50 pm
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/jewish-groups-criticize-pope-terrorism-remark-seek-clarification-2023-11-23/

Jewish groups criticize Pope on 'terrorism' remark, seek clarification

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Jewish groups have criticised Pope Francis and demanded clarifications over his comments that they saw as accusing both Hamas and Israel of "terrorism".

Francis made the comments on Wednesday after meeting separately with Jewish relatives of hostages held by Hamas and with Palestinians with family in Gaza.

Later that day at his general audience in St. Peter's Square, he spoke of the meetings, saying he felt the pain of both sides.

"This is what wars do. But here we have gone beyond wars. This is not war. This is terrorism," he said.

He asked for prayers so that both sides would "not go ahead with passions, which, in the end, kill everyone".

In a toughly worded statement on Thursday, the Council of the Assembly of Italian Rabbis (ARI) accused the pope of "publicly accusing both sides of terrorism".

It went on to accuse unnamed "Church leaders" of not condemning the Hamas attack and of "putting the aggressor and the attacked on the same plane in the name of a supposed impartiality".

At the Palestinian news conference on Wednesday, those who met with the pope said he condemned Hamas' action as terror but also quoted him as saying that "terror should not justify terror". They also quoted him as using the word "genocide" to describe the situation in Gaza.

But the AJC added: "Later in the day, he described the Israel-Hamas war as 'beyond war' as 'terrorism.' Hamas' butchering and kidnapping of civilians is terrorism. Israel's self-defense is not. Vatican, please clarify".

The Italian rabbis questioned the worth of "decades of Jewish-Christian dialogue" if when Jews are attacked the Vatican responds with "diplomatic acrobatics".

Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, who has gone on several peace missions in Ukraine for the pope, defended him on Thursday,




Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 25, 2023, 04:18:52 pm
Carter gets it:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-jimmy-carter-said-190000657.html

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Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: the son of man speaks on November 25, 2023, 10:25:24 pm
It's unfortunate that many people would consider the son of man to be a terrorist. I don't want to fight, but I will if I feel it is necessary. I've come to help all mankind and I don't hold any tribal hate towards any group of people. However, the hard reality is that many people will not be redeemed, and they will be condemned to live apart in the prison of fire as decreed by God. God is immovable in his judgment and his will will come to pass.

The higher ups should know that my being here signifies that great changes will be happening on earth in short spans of time. My words are not meant to be heard by everyone, only those who God has chosen to help me with my task, which is why I write on this website.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on November 25, 2023, 10:42:10 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-texas-democrat-leave-republicans-161826585.html (video at link)

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Watch This Texas Democrat Leave Republicans Speechless When He Uses The Bible Against Them
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This past summer, Texas Republicans tried to pass Senate Bill 1515, which would have required the Ten Commandments to be displayed prominently in every public school classroom in the state. The bill was an attempt by conservative Christian Republicans to inject religion into schools, but Talarico wasn’t going to take this lying down. Instead, he used their religious text against them.

More precisely, he uses the New Testament against the Old Testament. It is unfortunate that the mainstream article does not spell this out.

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Talarico then brings up that this bill seems to go against Republicans’ desire to get parental consent for everything. “Every time on this committee that we try to teach students values like empathy or kindness, we’re told we can’t because that’s the parent’s role,” he said. “Every time on this committee that we try to teach basic sex education to keep our kids safe, we’re told that’s the parent’s role, but now you’re putting religious commandments — literal commandments — in our classroom, and you’re saying that’s the state’s role. Why is that not the parent’s role?”

This question left Nobel silent and searching for words before finally saying, “That’s really an interesting rabbit trail that you’ve gone on with that.”

Later, Talarico asks Nobel, “Do you believe schools are for education and not indoctrination?” to which Nobel answers, “Absolutely.” Then Talarico brings his arguments home, saying, “I guess what I’m trying to figure out is why is having a rainbow in a classroom is indoctrination and not having the Ten Commandments in a classroom.”
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 25, 2023, 12:48:05 pm
https://www.yahoo.com/news/houston-chronicle-compares-people-crossing-162253723.html

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A stinging Christmas opinion issued by the editorial board of the Houston Chronicle newspaper asks Texas’s hard-right Republican leader: “How would governor Greg Abbott treat Mary and Joseph at the border?”

The leading media outlet in the Democratic-voting city published an editorial article on Christmas Eve and posted on X, formerly known as Twitter, on Christmas Day protesting at the red state’s latest crackdown on people seeking refuge by crossing the US-Mexico border without authorization.
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The headline of the Houston Chronicle’s piece alludes to the nativity and says: “Two thousand years ago, a young family became refugees.” Monday’s tweet mentions the recent law passed in the state that gives all Texas police sweeping powers to arrest people alleged to have entered the US illegally, as well as empowering local judges to order their expulsion back across the US-Mexico border.

The editorial article says: “Like Joseph and Mary and their child, more than 100 million people around the world are estimated to have been displaced this year, many of them on the move this very night. Refugees and migrants, they are fleeing persecution, grinding poverty, war and unspeakable violence.”

The newspaper talks about migration issues in Europe, Africa and the Middle East, as well as the United States, Central and South America.

“It is not America’s alone to face but we would like to believe, still, even in this polarized state, that America is one of the nations most equipped, most obligated and most resolved to meet the challenge,” the article said.
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The pointed editorial finishes with: “The Christmas story we tell, the story the infant Jesus grew up to tell, counsels sympathy toward the less fortunate, compassion for those in need, kindness toward strangers.”
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on December 30, 2023, 08:22:38 pm
Interviewee accidentally figures out Yahweh (whom the interviewer calls "God") is not the same as the God taught by the person on her cross:

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1740217068455346392 (video at link)

For reference:

https://jameslhutton.com/2019/08/05/jesus-ate-with-tax-collectors-prostitutes-other-sinners-we-can-too/

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A woman who is a sinner comes to Jesus. He does not forbid her to do so.
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Simon is alarmed, and comes to the conclusion that Jesus isn’t a prophet. He couldn’t be one. He “…would have perceived who and what kind of woman this is who touches him, that she is a sinner” (Luke 7:39).

The implication of such a thought is that being touched by a sinner is a problem for the righteous. A real prophet would have kept himself from interacting with such a woman in that way. Maybe the Pharisees thought that when a sinner touches a righteous person it causes him or her to be unclean. There is no indication that Jesus held to such a teaching.

So no, Jesus definitely would not mind the interviewee wearing a cross.

The interviewer, like Simon, is thinking Judaically:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_sexuality#Pornography

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pornography is prohibited by halakhic laws surrounding ****, with which it over goes hand-in-hand. Not only is the viewing of pornographic content forbidden by these laws, but so is the production of pornographic content. The Kitzur Shulchan Arukh prohibits the spilling of seed, thus forbidding that a man engage in sexual intercourse without the intention to conceive.

From a Gnostic (and hence authentically Christian) perspective, preventing conception is the key to defeating Yahweh. So to the extent that the content produced by the interviewee stochastically reduces interest in reproductive sex among her viewers, it is indeed Yahweh, not God, who more dislikes it.

Additional information:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_pornography#Judaism

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This is further codified in the Code of Jewish Law,[59] which includes further prohibitions (based on the Talmud) such as "watching women as they do the laundry."

So, for the record, Judaism is anti-gravure as well.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: antihellenistic on January 02, 2024, 01:56:26 am
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Title: Re: Identitarian movement
Post by: antihellenistic on January 18, 2024, 12:39:16 am
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Contrary to what one has heard from the pulpit or on Christian radio, the Bible supports racial preservation and even separation. The Bible teaches that mankind is composed not of an amorphous mass of individuals but of nations. It also teaches that the basis of all genuine nations is a common ethnic stock, which is more important even than a common language, culture, political allegiance, or locale. The Bible praises homogeneity as a blessing, and posits it as the basis of love, friendship, social peace, and national harmony. The Bible also sanctions love of nation and fatherland, a virtue antagonistic to indiscriminate and large-scale immigration.

According to the famous “Table of Nations” in Genesis 10, God organized mankind into discrete nations in the aftermath of the Great Flood. He created three sets of nations, each set descending from one of the three sons of Noah: Fourteen nations from Japheth; 30 from Ham; and 26 from Shem. After listing the progenitors of each of the nations that sprang from Shem, Genesis uses a formula closely repeated for Ham and Japheth, “These are the sons of Shem, according to their families, according to their languages, by their lands, according to their nations” (Gen. 10:31). The Genesis account of the dispersal of the nations concludes, “These are the families of the sons of Noah, according to their genealogies, by their nations; and out of these the nations were separated on the earth after the flood” (Gen. 10:32). These passages make clear that the essential constituent element of each nation is common ancestry, together with a “land” and a distinctive language. This is God’s creation, with no indication that it is anything other than entirely in accord with His will.

Genesis describes the areas in which these different nations settled in terms of migration patterns that conform to a broad division of races. For centuries there was universal agreement in Christendom that the Europeans were descended from Japheth, the Semites (Jews, Persians, Syrians, Arabs, and Asians) from Shem, and the Africans (including Egyptians and Canaanites) from Ham. However literally or figuratively one chooses to interpret this account, Genesis clearly divides the peoples of the earth into groups of related but racially distinct peoples.

Modern Biblical commentators and Christian leaders have tried to deny the obvious by insisting that the division of nations is not providential but accidental. They believe God intended the nations to be all as one (i.e. to cease being distinct nations). Therefore, they urge Christians to do all they can to restore mankind’s lost unity by tearing down national boundaries, promoting mass immigration, teaching English as a universal language, and intermarrying freely with members of other racial families.

This interpretation suffers from several flaws. First, if God intended mankind to be as one, why did He create many nations in the first place? Second, it is contradicted by the order of the Genesis narrative. The Table of Nations comes before the story of the Tower of Babel, indicating that God’s ordering and separating of the nations was part of His plan from the beginning. The sons of Noah refused to follow God’s clear mandate to separate and fill the earth. Instead, they gathered together, founded a city, and built a huge tower as a symbol of their power and independence. However, God’s sovereign purpose cannot be frustrated by the designs of men: “The Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth” (Gen. 11:9).

The scattering was neither arbitrary nor chaotic. According to the Biblical account, people moved with their nations in an orderly exodus that fulfilled God’s purpose. As we learn in Deuteronomy, God gave each nation or people its own lands and separated these lands by territorial boundaries: “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the people” (Deuteronomy 32:8).

The third flaw of the modernist interpretation of Genesis 10 and 11 — and from a Christian perspective the most dangerous — is that it repeats the sin of the people who built the Tower of Babel. The modern desire for global unity, amalgamation of peoples, destruction of territorial boundaries, English as a universal language, and construction of a world government is difficult to see as anything other than a sinful desire to rebuild the Tower of Babel and create an autonomous humanistic order independent of God. It is a rebellious project that defies God’s plan for world order based on discrete nations each residing within its own lands.

Fourth, the project for global unity sullies the beauty and diversity of God’s human creation, in that it suggests that the existence of different races, which vary markedly in physical appearance, is a mistake that man is to remedy by racial intermarriage. In this warped version of creation, God is the bungler and man the redeemer.

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The New Testament

The New Testament reaffirms the national and ethnic distinctions of the Old Testament, if anything, in stronger and clearer terms. Unlike Hebrew, the Greek in which the New Testament was written does have a word for mankind, anthropon; however, it is used infrequently and never suggests the elimination of the national or racial divisions of mankind. Luke wrote that God “made from one [Adam] every nation [ethnos] of mankind [anthropon] to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times, and the boundaries of their habitation” (Acts 17:26). Christ himself commanded his disciples to go and “make disciples of all the nations [ethna]” (Matthew 28:19).

Paul — though often cited in Christian attacks on race and nationality — both in his writings and personal loyalties clearly supports the view that nationality is based on a common ethnic origin. To begin with, one can well ask to what nation did Paul belong, and on what basis? He was born a Roman citizen in the province of Cilicia in Asia Minor. He spoke both Hebrew and Greek fluently. Religiously, he was not only Jewish but a Pharisee. He converted to Christianity. In answer to our questions about his nationality, the modern Christian could offer four possible answers: Paul was a Cilician (place of birth); he was a Roman (citizenship); he was a Greek (language); he was a Jew but became a Christian (religion).

According to Paul himself, all four answers would be wrong, for Paul on numerous occasions, after he became a Christian, identified himself as belonging to the Jewish nation on the basis of birth and heritage — not merely a Jew but of a particular tribe. He was, he claimed, “of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews” (Philippians 3:5). When he wrote to the Romans in the city of Rome, he did not claim to be Roman (except by citizenship) but Jewish: “I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin” (Romans 11:1). He referred to the Israelites as his “brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites” (Romans 9:3, 4). He also referred to the Roman Christians as his “brethren” (Romans 11:25), but he is clearly speaking in a spiritual sense.

Thus, Paul made a distinction between his ethnic nation (Israel) and his spiritual nation (the Christians). Far from the latter superseding or abolishing the former, as most modern Christian leaders would claim, Paul affirms and honors both as an integral part of his identity. He hoped that more of his ethnic kinsmen would come to accept Christ as the Son of God: “Brethren [Roman Christians], my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them [Israel] is for their salvation” (Romans 10:1 NKJV). He also expressed confidence that God will not “reject His people,” meaning the Jews (Romans 11:1).

Paul uses the Greek word laos (a people) to refer to both an ethnic people, as in the people of Israel, and a spiritual people, as in the people of God. Paul’s use of that word in both contexts proves that ethnicity is not rendered obsolete or illegitimate by coming to Christ.

Paul’s ethnic identification is consistent with everything we know about the ancients, whether Greek, Roman, German, Celt, or Semite. They understood a nation to be a people of a common ancestry or race. The Roman Empire was not a nation, nor did any ancient author consider it to be a nation. They understood it to be an empire made up of many nations.

Intermarriage

The Bible endorses ethnic homogeneity as a positive good that contributes to peace, harmony, and happiness, whether it be in marriage, friendship, or society. The Hebrews were forbidden, first by their patriarchs and later by God Himself, to marry the sons and daughters of the peoples of the land God had promised them. Abraham made his chief servant swear not to search for a wife for his son Isaac “from the daughters of the Canaanites [Hamites], among whom I live; but you will go to my country and to my relatives [descendants of Shem], and take a wife for my son Isaac” (Gen. 24:3,4).

When Jacob and his family (sons, daughters, and grandchildren), 70 persons in all, went to Egypt to dwell in the land of Goshen under the protection of Pharaoh, only one son, Simeon, had a Canaanite wife in addition to a Hebrew wife (Genesis 46:8-26). Thus, out of all the grandchildren of Jacob, only one was part Hamitic. Upon their return to the Promised Land some 400 years later, Moses forbade the children of Israel to intermarry with the Canaanites, whose land they were preparing to invade and occupy (Exodus 34:12-16; Deuteronomy 7:3).

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The Book of Revelations provides clear evidence for the eternal destiny and indestructibility of the nations. In the New Jerusalem (Heaven), “the nations [ethne] shall walk by its light . . . and they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations [ethnon] into it” (Rev. 21:24, 26). Furthermore, John revealed that the leaves of the Tree of Life in the midst of Paradise “were for the healing of the nations [ethnon]” (Rev. 22:2). These passages are impossible to understand without recourse to a doctrine of Christian ethnic nationalism.

Moreover, it is only recently that the churches of the West have claimed that ethnic and racial nationalism are in conflict with Christianity. The great Protestant reformer John Calvin affirmed the necessity and goodness of the national division of mankind: “Just as there are in a military camp separate lines for each platoon and section, men are placed on the earth so that each nation may be content with its own boundaries.” In this manner, “God, by his providence reduces to order that which is confused” (Quoted in William J. Bouwsma, John Calvin: A Sixteenth Century Portrait; New York: Oxford University Press, 1988, p. 35).

Of the major Christian churches, only the Eastern Orthodox Church seems to have retained an understanding of the legitimate and necessary place of the nation in the life of the individual Christian. In a recent document, the bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church affirm both the universality and particularity of every Christian: “The universal nature of the Church, however, does not mean that Christians should have no right to national identity and national self-expressions.” Rather, they urge Christians to develop “national Christian cultures.”

Source :

Posted on April 1, 2018 The Christian Doctrine of Nations H.A. Scott Trask, American Renaissance, July 2001

https://www.amren.com/news/2018/04/christian-doctrine-racism-identity-bible/

Dr. H. A. Scott Trask is an American historian, a writer, a Protestant, and an Anglo-Celt.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on January 18, 2024, 01:15:26 am
See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg12216/#msg12216
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: races on January 19, 2024, 12:58:32 am
It's not possible to create a racial homogenous country in countries were multiple different races live. Therefore it's a duty for the leaders of said countries to unite the people under a nationalist ideal that is able to transcend racial divisions. It takes strength to carry this out though, one must be immune to the criticisms of the masses to do this. That's why democracy doesn't work in countries where many different races live, politicians in democracy's only focus on pleasing the masses.   
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: races on January 19, 2024, 01:09:15 am
Maybe it was the case in the old universe that all races must live separate in their own places, but in the new universe that is being created all will be one in the light of God.
Title: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
Post by: 90sRetroFan on February 21, 2024, 03:38:04 pm
Hope:

https://rmx.news/article/germanys-catholic-church-facing-major-crises-and-conflict-with-vatican-says-afd-party-members-arent-welcome/

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The chairman of the German Bishops’ Conference (DBK), Georg Bätzing, who also serves as bishop of Limburg, said that membership in the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party is not compatible with volunteer work or holding office in the Catholic Church.

This is correct!

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"Unfortunately, the danger of ethnic-nationalist and right-wing extremist thinking also exists among Catholics,” he said.

Germany’s Catholic Church is increasingly getting political, with bishops from Berlin, Erfurt, Hamburg, Magdeburg, Dresden, and Görlitz penning a letter warning against the AfD coming to power
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The Catholic Church in Germany is not the only Christian branch that has gone “woke.” Nearly all Christian organizations now feature a variety of pro-migration and anti-conservative stances, and nearly all are hemorrhaging members.
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It is also important to note that there is an entire area of the country where Christianity holds little sway already. The east of Germany, which was once ruled by communists, is remarkably less Christian than the former West Germany. This may in part account for the east’s willingness to back the AfD party
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As this map from 2011 shows, the east has by and large abandoned religion, with the vast majority listing their religion as “none” or “other,” which includes the non-religious.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCNLniBWQAI2pfo?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

As Pew notes in a study comparing both East and West Germans, there are extreme differences between the two parts of the country: “Six-in-ten adults in former West Germany say religion is very or somewhat important in their lives, whereas an identical share of those in former East Germany say religion is not too or not at all important. This includes 45 percent of those in the former East who say religion is not at all important in their lives.”

East Germans also have stronger anti-immigration stances, and with Christian organizers pushing for radical open borders and an easier path to citizenship, many easterners see this messaging as failing to resonate or openly against their interests.

For once things are at least the correct way round!

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/afd/
Title: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
Post by: antihellenistic on March 07, 2024, 10:22:35 pm
Origin of Capitalism Rightist Economic Worldview

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Abraham writes that Weber came to these views in conscious opposition to Werner Sombart’s contemporaneous book, The Jews and Modern Capitalism (1913), where he had argued that Jews were the major promoters of a modern nation-less capitalism. Kalberg appears to be in agreement with Abraham in writing that Weber “saw the capitalism of the Jews as a form of the speculative capitalism that had existed universally” (2002: xxiii). Nevertheless, it seems to me that Weber did detect in Judaism a rationalistic disposition as well as a “this-worldly” attitude to the world that had strong affinities with Protestantism. As Love reminds us, Weber wrote in the Protestant Ethic that Puritanism inherited the “perfectly unemotional wisdom of the Hebrews” which had seen “the rational suppression of the mystical…side of religion.” Weber also observed that Old Testament morality, despite its traditional basis in ethics, “was able to give a powerful impetus to that spirit of self-righteous and sober legality which was so characteristic of the worldly asceticism of….Protestantism” (in Love 2000b: 200).13 He included Judaism – together with the theoretical rationality of Catholic theology and the Protestant rediscovery of the original Judaic ethic – in his grand theory of Western rationalization. It was ultimately Protestantism that promoted the modern spirit of capitalism, but this should not lead us to conclude that Weber did not also attribute a very important (early) role to Judaism.

Source :

The Uniqueness of Western Civilization Ricardo Duchesne page 259 - 260
Title: Christian Identity
Post by: antihellenistic on March 11, 2024, 07:33:04 am
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Christian Identity, also sometimes called Israel Identity, is the only true conservative Christianity. It is true because it seeks to maintain the understanding – in accordance with Scripture - that the New Covenant was made only with those same people with whom the Old Covenant was made: the House (family) of Israel and the House (family) of Judah. These Israelite people are traceable through time to the Keltic and Germanic tribes of today. None of these people are Jews. The Jews are descended from a mere remnant of the old Kingdom of Judah along with assorted Edomite and other Arabs who were mixed into the Roman province of Judaea during the Hellenic period. There are – at last count – at least sixteen detailed essays on this website which demonstrate this, and which are replete with Biblical, archaeological and historical citations.

Christian Identity is the belief that the Covenants of God are real and consistent. It professes that the people of the Old Testament were every bit as much Christian as the people of the New Testament. They were simply looking forward to the first advent of the Christ, while we today await His Second Advent. As the famous Christian bishop Ignatius said nineteen hundred years ago, Christianity did not come from Judaism: rather, Judaism is a perversion of Christianity. Christian Identity is therefore the original Christian Orthodoxy, and Christian Identity is the original catholic faith, in the true and original use of the word "catholic" by Christian writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD.

Christian Identity is the belief that there is no disparity between the Word of God, His Creation, His prophecy, and world history. It is also the understanding that while Scripture was inspired by God when it was transmitted, men have certainly mistreated it since that time, and so every passage and every doctrine must be fully investigated from all of the most ancient sources possible. As it reads in the King James Version: Study to show thyself approved.

The audio file attached to this page is perhaps one of the best we have to offer for introducing Christian Identity to the uninitiated. [It can be downloaded on the page which you are directed to by clicking here.] Please listen to it objectively, rather than regarding the slanders of the ADL and similar Jewish organizations – forever the enemies of Christ.

This paper is under development, and so is this website – always. We pray that you consider the things written here, and also in all of our other papers. And if you are one of His called, May God favor your journey.

William Finck, Christogenea.org

Source :

https://plus.google.com/+WilliamFinck. (2010, December 3). What is Christian Identity? | Christogenea.org. Christogenea.org. https://christogenea.org/articles/what-christian-identity