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Questions & Debates / Re: Medical Decolonization
« on: April 06, 2024, 12:18:44 am »
Quote from: Questioning on April 05, 2024, 11:59:23 pm
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on April 05, 2024, 11:30:33 pm
"So what should one do otherwise?"

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/re-psychological-decolonization/msg2284/#msg2284 (section on zoopharmacognosy)

"are we to discard all of these medicines that have had the misfortune of being used in such a way too?"

Yes.

Thanks, but is this not sort of what i proposed too? Discarding what "we" have learnt about these things by way of crueldom in favor of our intuition when it comes to self-medicating disagreeable states? This too would include some modern pharmaceuticals, of which germany was a pioneer during the second world war.
Would we too ditch the rocks that were used by cavemen to barbarically crush open the skulls of animals for hunting purposes?
Add to that, how would you propose to distinguish between explicitly western medicine/western-inspired one and non-western one? To leave one without any blame feels superficial when it is traditional (relative to what exactly?) medical systems in many non-western countries that gave rise to large amounts of animal exploitation due to belief that their essences among others could cure various illnesses, and then i too must ask, how would you judge the NS german medical industry- Do you view it as non-western?
Sorry for all these questions, perhaps i am ignorant

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Questions & Debates / Re: Medical Decolonization
« on: April 05, 2024, 11:59:23 pm »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on April 05, 2024, 11:30:33 pm
"So what should one do otherwise?"

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/re-psychological-decolonization/msg2284/#msg2284 (section on zoopharmacognosy)

"are we to discard all of these medicines that have had the misfortune of being used in such a way too?"

Yes.

Thanks, but is this not sort of what i proposed too? Discarding what "we" have learnt about these things by way of crueldom in favor of our intuition when it comes to self-medicating disagreeable states? This too would include some modern pharmaceuticals, of which germany was a pioneer during the second world war.
Would we too ditch the rocks that were used by cavemen to barbarically crush open the skulls of animals for hunting purposes?

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Questions & Debates / Re: Medical Decolonization
« on: April 05, 2024, 11:03:37 pm »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on April 02, 2024, 09:20:19 pm
An individual should be allowed to take whatever medication they choose, so long as its development involved no initiated violence.

Has the development of SSRIs involved initiated violence? Of course it has!

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9084057/

https://www.peta.org/blog/antidepressant-drug-company-sage-therapeutics-ends-forced-swim-test/

If someone knows about the forced swim test but nevertheless remains willing to take SSRIs, they are by definition not an Aryanist.

So what should one do otherwise? Ancient societies have practiced medicine for as long as they were around, it was only much later that westerners began building empiric data on those same medicines and their effects through standardized animal experiements, are we to discard all of these medicines that have had the misfortune of being used in such a way too? A medication by itself doesn't hurt animals, "humans" do, the same way "humans" use weaponry to hunt

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Questions & Debates / Re: Medical Decolonization
« on: April 05, 2024, 10:52:04 pm »
Quote from: Questioning on April 05, 2024, 09:44:04 pm
As far as i remember the concept of "endogenous depression" was coined in NS germany, either by Emil Kraepelin or Julius Hallervorden, i haven't yet found the paper that it was stated in but if i do i shall add it do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_eponyms_with_Nazi_associations

It is basically described as a form of depression not influenced by external factors, trauma, or environment but a persistent one that has to do with an inborn "error" of brain metabolism or something of that sort, in line with thinking of this movement i would concede that any knowledge "we" obtained through immoral means (animal experiments etc) are to be trashed, instead, if you want to build up a library of responses you have to certain medicines the only way to do this is by testing it on yourself, i know that the irreversible MAOIs are the treatment of choice for this.
Correction: it was this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Schneider who went about coining it as its seperate entity, building on Kraepelin work.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Medical Decolonization
« on: April 05, 2024, 09:44:04 pm »
As far as i remember the concept of "endogenous depression" was coined in NS germany, either by Emil Kraepelin or Julius Hallervorden, i haven't yet found the paper that it was stated in but if i do i shall add it do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_eponyms_with_Nazi_associations

It is basically described as a form of depression not influenced by external factors, trauma, or environment but a persistent one that has to do with an inborn "error" of brain metabolism or something of that sort, in line with thinking of this movement i would concede that any knowledge "we" obtained through immoral means (animal experiments etc) are to be trashed, instead, if you want to build up a library of responses you have to certain medicines the only way to do this is by testing it on yourself, i know that the irreversible MAOIs are the treatment of choice for this.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Hunting in NS germany
« on: March 18, 2024, 02:25:22 pm »
Quote from: 90sRetroFan on March 18, 2024, 12:51:40 pm
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1407954/Thanks-to-Hitler-hunting-with-hounds-is-still-verboten.html

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The Fuhrer, a vegetarian, was the pioneer of hunting bans. His draconian laws were announced in Germany on July 3, 1934, on the grounds that hunting with hounds was 'unsporting'.
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The same love of animals which he demonstrates in all he has to do with the animal world also imbues the Reich hunting law of 1934. Indeed it gives this law its deep ethical meaning. In Germany hunting on horseback, chasing animals with a pack of hounds, is banned."

The ban provoked howls of anger from the aristocracy which for centuries had hunted foxes, wild boar, hares and deer on horseback. Kaiser Wilhelm II (1859-1941), the grandson of Queen Victoria, was a keen huntsman who enjoyed hunting boar with a pack of hounds.

The upper classes were powerless to stop the changes. Bernd Ergert, the director of Germany's Munich-based hunting museum, said: "The artistocrats were understandably furious, but they could do nothing about the ban given the totalitarian nature of the regime." The laws were passed and remain in force to this day.
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in 1939 the ban was extended to cover Austria after Hitler's annexation of the country.

HAIL HITLER!
Very good, but it is not speaking of an absolute ban, merely restrictions as far as i can tell, add to that, there existed a dedicated group for german hunters "Reichsbund Deutsche Jägerschaft" which still operated during hitlers government. Here are a few pictures of Göring posing with dead animals, thoughts?


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Questions & Debates / Hunting in NS germany
« on: March 18, 2024, 07:11:52 am »
I've read on multiple occasions that hunting was effectively banned in national socialist germany, but i am yet to find good primary sources, do you have some books or pamphlets from that time that i could read up on?
Thank you

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