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Questions & Debates / Immigration
« on: December 09, 2021, 04:50:49 pm »
I'm not trying to start any controversy, but from my readings of National Socialist literature the NSDAP was highly anti immigration. Is there a reason we don't hold this same stance?

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Questions & Debates / Re: South Korea, White Korea
« on: October 13, 2021, 10:31:34 am »
@arthuriana

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Why are you even concerned with our enemies category, or how we use our time and resources? You’re banned from the rest of the forum, aren’t you? You are not wanted in this movement, so leave.

Because I want to learn, and if you still got blind with your intellectual arrogance, and cannot accept intellectual differences among people, join with White Nationalist intellectual group is your prosperous way, and also, banning me did not prevent me to come again to this forum, if you want to make me leave this forum, show to me that this forum's ideas is not worth to be trusted by people

I am not want to be wanted by people on this forum, and by the way, you have no authority to tell people to leave this forum, you are new member, and, what contribution you do to this group which make you dare to make an authority like the leader on this forum, you just embarassing yourself?

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Also, you talk about slurs? Maybe don’t going around calling members of this forum “negros.”

He @Cthens who begin to mock me, so I am retaliate, the bullies never afraid to harm us if we never give ruthless retaliation, watch and learn this recorded conversation post, if you believe about retaliation violence, you will not consider that a problem




And also, to all members of this forum, you know why I defend Russia, I forgot to tell you about this one, because... there are many muslim Chechnya brothers who are live in Russia and they support the legal Russian government, and I must be kind to them in order the muslim people not persecuted by Russia, and they still follow Islamic teaching which according to me accurate and appropriate with the original Islamic teachings which spread by Mohammed on 600s A.D., different with Islamic people who are immigrate to the Anglophile nations, they become degenerate with the liberal and egalitarian way of life which used by majority of their people, they far from Islamic teachings, you also support muslims, am I right?

You are kuffar.

Wala tahsabanna alahaghafilan aama yaamalu althalimoon innama akhirum liyawmin tashkhasu feehial absar


You claim to be muslim yet there is no difference between you and the Kuffar. I used your intelligence to insult you. You attempted to use race, just like a kafir🤦🏽

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: September 17, 2021, 06:45:56 am »
@Cthens, Hitlerist Negro

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"I consider Nusantaran clothes even more ugly rather than 1960s counterculture clothes, and if Western suits are bad, then the whole world not like it"

You are colonized. And your lack of will to be free of that makes you sub-human.

You are brainwashed. And your blindness to follow Hitler's racist ideology just make today Hitler's followers consider you as sub-human, try to tell to Neo-Nazi and White Nationalist people that you are Hitler's follower and have correct interpretation about that ideology rather than their interpretation on it, see how far you can get approval from them, or, if you consider that right wing people like them are biased on see history, try to discuss with professional historians about your view on Hitler's ideology which you consider as absolutely correct, see how far you can get approval from them

If historians even reject your view, then the interpretation of Hitler's ideology by you all "Aryanist" people are false, and can be considered as action to spread misinformation to the society

Reply to me when you have the self respect not to be a eurocentrist. Even your ultimatum wants me too seek the approval of "whites"


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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: September 16, 2021, 09:46:08 pm »
@Dazhbog, Leftist, Anglophile, Hitlerist

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that is impossible to see Dutch and Portuguese to recolonize Papua even tough had Papua territory to be industrialized, seeing it already guarded by Nusantara military regime during Suharto era

The Dutch initiated violence when they industrialized Papua. Had Suharto, for no other reason than to satisfy the ignoble Papuans' thirst for a colonized lifestyle, continued the industrialization process the Dutch started, he would have perpetuated the violence they initiated, even if Nusantara formally controlled Papua.

Then, Suharto also commit total violence according to you, because he gave industrialized way of life which you hate to Western Nusantaran people also

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Soon you will also think that Suharto are the proper leader for Nusantara

Based on the information you've given me, he was at least a better anti-colonialist than Sukarno.

No, he was Javanese (One of ethnic of Nusantara people) supremacist, he more concerned to well-being of Javanese people above everyone else

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Even until now Nusantara people more hostile and afraid towards communism rather than the United States troops who came to our land to make a joint training, total betrayal to the fatherland

No, that's Nusantaran common sense. Communism is after all the ideology of the East Timorese separatists, who killed countless Nusantarans in order to perpetuate violence initiated against Nusantara by the Portuguese. In contrast, by training Nusantaran soldiers, the Americans improve Nusantara's fighting capabilities, which hopefully will be used to reunify Timor and annihilate what is left of the Papuan separatists one day. Communism is hostile to Nusantara, whereas America is not.

No, Nusantara people became afraid of communism since false-flag operation to overthrow Sukarno commited by Nusantara high ranking officials who disguised themselves as a "Communist" who killed many Nusantara high ranking officials with assistance of United States and British secret agent, they helped spread false information to Nusantara people about the event of mass killings, so the Nusantara society believe that it was "Communist" people who made that mass killings, in fact it was their own Nusantara high ranking officials who did that, and from that, because  people began afraid communism, Suharto take advantage from that situation with his confidants to overthrow Sukarno and accused him of "Communist sympathizer", and that false flag operation is part of British and United States's illegal subversion activity to made Nusantara which formerly ally with socialist nation like China and Soviet Russia to hostile to them and forced to side with capitalist nations Western Europe and United States under wrong pretext of anti-communist action, and actually Western Europe and United States use that event as a opportunity to enable their debt-based Western European economic system to Nusantara, which Suharto consider that economic system as "a way to increase the economic power of Nusantara", but actually not, he just made Nusantara had more debt to Western European elites

Remember that before "Communist coup" in 30 September 1965, or popularly called as "G30SPKI", Communist ideology was very popular among Nusantara people, even Sukarno like communist, he allowed communist party and their people to live and operate in Nusantara under his control...

Historical photo of Communist propaganda photo included photo of Sukarno, even he portrayed with wear Western suit



And also, why Sukarno more prefer communist rather than capitalist, of course same like what I said, Communist ideology is not racist ideology, and it can be proved on how Communist nations was more friendly to colonized people rather than Western European capitalist nation, see this information :

"Then why during his reign, Soekarno, was very close to the communist state? Soekarno once said that his closeness to communist countries was due to them (communist-minded countries) accepting him as a partner, a friend in arms, accepting Soekarno warmly as a friend. Not as a servant, not as lowly as the capitalist nation treats him. Soekarno's many state visits to communist countries were always warmly welcomed by the people and leaders of communist countries. Not as enemies, but as friends, not as lowly but as partners. These things made Soekarno as President of the Republic of Indonesia cooperate in various aspects, especially the economy, politics, military and others."

Source : https://kumparan.com/anju-nofarof-hasudungan/soekarno-jatuh-cinta-pada-marxisme-di-usia-19-tahun/full

If you consider that communism support colonialism, then you are false

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that is still can be tolerated

No. Forcing people into categories they didn't choose is initiatory violence, regardless how these categories are defined.

Hitler also forcing people into categories they didn't choose through his racial law

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Rhineland Bastards

The problem wasn't that they were non-"white", but that they were the offspring of French occupation soldiers descended from colonized populations and "white" German civilians.

On part of the soldiers, this implies reproductive eurocentrism as well as a lack of will to resist French colonialism, going as far as to actually take up arms for their colonizers.

On part of the civilians, this implies what I will call reproductive exoticism for lack of a better term (please tell me if you know one), meaning that they were still racist but merely fetishized their reproductive partners' "non-whiteness". In addition, by reproducing with enemy soldiers, they demonstrated their complete lack of commitment to their folk.

In summary, in the case of the Rhineland Bastards, both parents could be assumed to be of extremely low quality. Thus, sterilizing them so that their low quality blood wouldn't seep into the German gene pool was the right thing to do.

No, because Hitler hated "black" people, and racial mixing of "White European" people and another "Colored Race" people endangered the existence of "White Race", in accordance with his thought in his ideological book "Mein Kampf", see this information, even "black" people forbidden to got fair education like how "Native White German" people got education and prohibited to got some job that "Native White German" people can got...

"A subsequent ruling confirmed that black people (like “gypsies”) were to be regarded as being “of alien blood” and subject to the Nuremberg principles. Very few people of African descent had German citizenship, even if they were born in Germany, but this became irreversible when they were given passports that designated them as “stateless negroes”.

In 1941, black children were officially excluded from public schools, but most of them had suffered racial abuse in their classrooms much earlier. Some were forced out of school and none were permitted to go on to university or professional training. Published interviews and memoirs by both men and women, unpublished testimony and post-war compensation claims testify to these and other shared experiences.

Employment prospects which were already poor before 1933 got worse afterwards. Unable to find regular work, some were drafted for forced labour as “foreign workers” during World War II. Films and stage shows making propaganda for the return of Germany’s African colonies became one of the few sources of income, especially after black people were banned from other kinds of public performance in 1939."

Source : https://theconversation.com/what-happened-to-black-germans-under-the-nazis-53599

The conclusion is, your statement that Hitler prohibited racial mixing between "White European German" people and people of another races because of preventing offsprings who potentially had Eurocentrism behaviour because of heritage from their parents on their Eurocentrist behaviour is just your artificial interpretation of Nazi ideology in order to make Nazi ideology is not racist, there is no such thing like Eurocentrism problem are discussed in Nazi racial issue

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And the legacy of Stalin Soviet Russia is the struggle of anti-colonial action by Russian people

No. They supported the creation of Israel and East Timor after all.

Soviet Russia temporarily support Israel, and Western European nations even did not recognize Palestine, that is the difference, if you still ignoring this facts, you are confirmed bias Anglophile

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Do you know that wearing 1960s counterculture clothes make you like street gang and thieves people, and also ugly?

Even if you don't like counterculture clothes, you could still wear Nusantaran ones.

I consider Nusantaran clothes even more ugly rather than 1960s counterculture clothes, and if Western suits are bad, then the whole world not like it





"I consider Nusantaran clothes even more ugly rather than 1960s counterculture clothes, and if Western suits are bad, then the whole world not like it"

You are colonized. And your lack of will to be free of that makes you sub-human.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Intentional Community
« on: September 15, 2021, 01:19:00 pm »
Self sustainable homes; Earthships

https://youtu.be/wgUkjbMhF18

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: September 14, 2021, 07:38:36 pm »
@arthuriana

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which you've proven again and again you do not.

As long as I still can debunk the arguments from you all, I not agree that your ideals are worth to be followed


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tribalism, opportunism

Of course, you will consider me are opportunism and tribalism if I exposing Nazi racism and reality of Russia and NATO nations's geopolitics, which you proven to be overwhelmed to refute my facts of information, even ignore my sayings, complaining, criticizing without giving an factual arguments just embarassing your own "Aryanist" movement and showing that your view of politics are can be refuted and from that, you all have wrong political way

You've been thoroughly debunked and rebuked, repeatedly. At this point you are just solidifying your inferiority.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: August 27, 2021, 05:36:23 pm »
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Blood is important to us right? How does that translate into letting just anyone from anywhere rule over Americans or Germans or Arabs.

Blood as in race. Not ethnicity. An "ethnic" Aryan German shares more in common with a "non-ethnic" Aryan German, than they do with an "ethnic" non-Aryan German. They also share more in common with an Aryan non-German than they do with a non-Aryan German. Someone born and raised in Germany is German regardless of their ethnicity. And if they're a recent immigrant into Germany, then Germans should trust that they want to be a part of German society, so such people shouldn't be excluded either.

Our intention isn't to preserve ethnic or cultural diversity. By the very nature of our mission which requires both de-population and spiritual transcendence, nations will eventually lose their purpose and cease to be as we start heading out the same exit. The reason why we support autarky, is because there are still many nations which have not stopped serving a purpose

but it is not something Hitler believed.
(At least the immigration part) And it is untrue. Being German has more to.do with just being born there. This is central to national socialism

And I was clear that ethnicity was not involved, blood was

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: August 27, 2021, 04:48:16 pm »
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I also have no issue with Germany for the Germans and America for the Americans and believe we are doing a disservice by pretending that isn't a part of National Socialism.

I have an issue with it, because people should be able to choose where they live. Nobody chooses to be born in a specific place, and it would require initiated violence to keep people out, which we're against. Plus, that very sentence underlines the issue: Germany and America are totally different examples and they aren't comparable at all. What's an American? Americans can be "white", or "black", or Native American, or any of a number of other ethnicities. Americans aren't defined by ethnicity to begin with, and yet you're using it as an example to justify keeping Germany ethnically pure.

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But the idea that Hitler's views of black people didn't change after mein kampf is ridiculous

In their defense, 90sRetroFan's position isn't that Hitler's views changed after Mein Kampf. The position is that Mein Kampf was written to bolster himself as a politician.

There is a huge difference. There were not 4 different colors of people building Germany. Its not about ethnicity its about blood. If all Americans traced their ancestry back to 1800 as required by Germany,  black people would not be excluded. And it goes without saying that Americans from the arctic to Chile would be deemed Americans. Also America is a different nation than Germany, and what we want to preserve was built on noble people from all over the world.  The same can not be said for Germany. And the initiated violence would undoubtedly be the attempt to rule over a people you did not help build.

There is absolutely nothing in national socialism that suggests anyone should be able to have power anywhere. Move there, yes, integrate, if possible, but it would be a disastrous and ridiculous idea to say an Englishman should have power in Mexico, or a swede power in Japan. Although if something is superior it should always be integrated. My disagreement here is not with national socialism, but with a rather minor policy of anet. Blood is important to us right? How does that translate into letting just anyone from anywhere rule over Americans or Germans or Arabs.



But you are 100% correct about Mein Kampf

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: August 27, 2021, 04:26:53 pm »
@kameradbaren @v3456 Even supposing that any of your assertions about Hitler are correct, what does that have to do with the validity of our actual policies?
Hitler doesn't have to be an ideologically blameless and infallible man for the concept of the Aryan race to hold weight.

As I previously said: You are spreading false information. You are trying to fill the minds of people with incorrect information that ultimately leads to wrong assumptions.
Everyone who studied Mein Kampf and Hitler's actual racial policies is able to put the facts together and deduce that you're dishonest. If you keep lying about Hitler not being racist - what else are you lying about? You are distorting a fundamentally good premise of rebranding National Socialism as a non-racist ideology into very lame historical revisionism that crumbles every time a person with some historical knowledge is trying to investigate your claims. You can see it in every post on the main site blog - people come every once in a while, say something rational like: "Guys, I like your ideology very much, but this revisionist nonsense must go..." Only to get ignored or banned.
While some of your ideas may be noble, your methods are ignoble. You are going to lead astray many anti-racist National-Socialists and convince them they must believe in everything the main site claims instead of studying history rationally, learning from their mistakes and letting go of the toxic historical past. 90sRetroFan insists that White people must apologize for everything they've done, so it's only fair for you either a) to accept guilt and apologize instead of claiming that "it didn't happen... but they deserved it anyway"; b) letting go of Hitlerism and starting anew.

Hitler's own infallibility would have been irrelevant if Aryanist ideology did not proclaim an absolute cult of personality claiming to "emulating Hitler's own life journey". By turning a personality into a cult you become responsible for the justification of wrongdoings of such personality. Your own approach is also dishonest towards Hitler himself, who was a White supremacist and racist - so yes, despite the fact that I don't like Hitler, I gotta admit that you are disrespecting his personal views.

I actually agree with this. I don't claim Hitler wasn't prejudiced against black people and culture, but I do claim he wasn't mistreating black German citizens. This does not come from anet, but my own experience with Germans who lived in Berlin and my black American grandfather in Germany during WW2.

I also have no issue with Germany for the Germans and America for the Americans and believe we are doing a disservice by pretending that isn't a part of National Socialism.

With that being said the writers if Anet and 90sRetroFan has done more work, and more meaningful work with this topic than anyone else and I would never try to usurp that.

But the idea that Hitler's views of black people didn't change after mein kampf is ridiculous, and you can see it in the last books he authored. Much of which is quoted here and on anet

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: August 27, 2021, 07:41:11 am »
Truly Russia does not care who she terrorizes. Before the Russians were terrorizing everyone else it was aimed at their own people. The Tsarina had a saying; "Russians love to feel the whip"

They've just exported it.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: August 27, 2021, 07:36:06 am »
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If Russia are racist, then many discrimination towards "Non-White Russian" people oftenly happen and covered by news, even world media news will report that, and the world community will condemn Russia as a whole

Russia is over 80% ethnically Russian, and a majority of the other 19-20% consists of other ethnic groups that would be classified as “white”. Obviously we won’t hear as much about it, when non-whites are a rarer occurrence in Russia to begin with

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Yes, "America" built by various diverse types of "White" people from Western Europe

America has accepted the largest amount of immigrants from all ethnic backgrounds by far. Competing against other countries, it’s not even a contest. “White” people only make up 60% of the population, and they’re set to very quickly become a minority here. In fact, if we look at the data for the younger generations, “white” people already are a minority, so it’s only a matter of time before the older generations die off. What you’re saying isn’t even close to being true, and you know it

He is a bolshevik. He cares about nothing more than Stalin's aesthetics and he will destroy anything to settle his inferiority complex.  If he lived near Russia, as many Muslims do, he'd realize how dumb he really is.

@kameradbaren what do you think the Russians thought and think of Hijab or Islam in general? They abhor it. They persecuted Muslims, not white Europeans in the Soviet time. And today, well just turn on Russian TV and see what they say about "Islam"

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: August 26, 2021, 10:25:02 pm »
@kameradbaren @v3456 Even supposing that any of your assertions about Hitler are correct, what does that have to do with the validity of our actual policies? The bottom line is that we can't educate people away from tribalism or ignobility. If teaching people isn't enough to reduce total suffering, what needs to be done? The answer is obvious. We need to find out which genes are correlated to the traits that we personally consider noble, and promote them through selective breeding. Nothing else will get us out of this mess. It doesn't matter if Hitler was wrong about this or that thing, or if some other person affiliated with National Socialism was wrong about this or that thing, or if an enemy of National Socialism was right about this or that thing. While I sympathize with communism in the sense that it's at the very least more noble than capitalism on paper, that doesn't change the fact that communism is a purely political and material ideology with no concern for racial quality. Consideration of race is what will actually improve our species and lead us closer to our end goal. You're focusing too much on what Aryanism was, instead of what it could have been. Hitler doesn't have to be an ideologically blameless and infallible man for the concept of the Aryan race to hold weight. A broken clock is still right twice a day, and making it out to seem that everything he ever said and did was wrong just because you find faults, is needlessly divisive. All that you accomplish by doing this, is destroying every anti-tribalist race-based movement before they ever even get the chance to gain traction. Again, I repeat, obsession with historical revisionism and of how the events of WW2 actually transpired is ultimately pointless when we're racing against non-Jewish and Jewish tribalists alike for influence, before they possibly screw everything up irreparably

This is a good explanation, wasted on someone who can't even understand it.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: August 26, 2021, 08:35:20 pm »
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Hitler was not fought for justice, he fought for "White European" people's racial purity and their oppressive domination of the world, seeing that he implemented more friendly and merciful policy towards Western European people during his troops occupied their people and not seriously attack the last powerful colonial nation England (United Kingdom) during that time....

We already discussed in this thread how Hitler fought Britain and France in "Africa" and the middle-east and had he won both "Africa" and the middle-east would have been liberated for "blacks" who may or may not have taken up National Socialism for their own country.

We have already discussed how Russia is a colonial power to this day.

You seem to like repeating these points of yours over and over again regardless of how anyone responds.

You can not change our minds and we obviously cannot change yours, so why are you still here? Wouldn't you be better off creating your own forum for Russophiles and Stalin fans? Seems like you just like wasting your's and everyone else's time here?

We should take 90sRetroFan's example and ignore him.


You are a russophile kameradbaren, and a commie, you are the epitome of untermensch and I have shown my own lack of grace by continuing to assign any weight to your words. Hitler killed himself, you will likely not get that honor.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: August 26, 2021, 05:19:24 pm »
Find out what Stahlhelm is and then tell me again about how that is cannon fodder.
Soviets ACTUALLY used Kalmyks and chechens and Africans as cannon fodder.
Aryanism today has little to nothing with German blood, it is more concerned with Noble or Aryan blood in all populations today. Our nationalism is just that, Radical nationalism.

It can be easily deduced that both Geobells and Hitler hated Black French, and not black Germans. The Rhinelanders were half black French. The black Berliners were barred by no racial laws, especially if they could trace back to 1800.

Hitler DID NOT like black people being a separate culture than other Germans, I am a black American, and feel the same about America. But American blood has its origins in "Asia" and "Africa" and "Europe" and a real American culture will only happen when we integrate our cultures as we have our blood.

We have our own genetics and all American ethnic groups are different from their old world counterparts. Eventually we have to protect this blood, because rightist often enter through old world blood

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: August 24, 2021, 09:44:07 pm »
Your sarcasm is not appreciated.

Neither is your incognizance. If you wanted to be past western propaganda, you could be. It is so incredibly obvious at this point that the Reich was not White nationalist. At the very most you could say there was a large number of Nordicists. But they say stupid **** that you eat up. Like Hitler supposedly saying that black people are primitive and should be banned from the Olympics.
"Die Spiele Olympischen 1936" by Leni Riefenstahl (a famous German film maker), highly praised Jesse Owens without a single offensive word refering to his racial background.

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